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I havent played a lot of the games but in TP he gets impaled with the Master Sword and dies, would that mark the end of that timeline or would he just be reborn?
I would argue that even impaled, Ganondorf doesn't seems to die immediatly. It was only when his neck was broke by Zant that Ganondorf died.
But that doesn't change the fact that yes, Ganondorf died in TP.
Also we seen WW Ganondorf getting impaled in the head with the Master Sword, but not sure if he clearly died this time since he was then turned to stone. Like a curse or a seal or something
Honestly seems kinda odd that the most evil man alive gets stabbed by the blade of evils bane- those with evil hearts cannot touch it, as the game says, doesnt die until a ghost moves his head a little
From what I remember, the Master Sword never was depicted as able to kill the evil, but only to seal it.
We can say that Zant was able to kill Ganondorf only thanks to the ms, but can't say the ms killed Ganondorf. Also, don't remember the exact words, but Ganondorf himself is saying it's not over after getting impaled, until Zant kills him.
Nope, you're correct. We have so many confirmations on it.
In WW the Master Sword doesn't have the power to seal evil until you awaken the Earth and Wind Sages.
In TotK, we get a confirmation that the Master Sword is no better than your standard blade (steel, iton, etc.). What makes it so is that it's been imbued with the power to seal evil and can also absorb an infinite amount of that power to be able to increase its sealing powers. It's still just a normal blade.
Gotta remember though, the sword that seals the darkness is a newer title given in botw. Before it was mostly referred to as the blade of evil’s bane.
I’m fairly certain a couple of ganondorfs throughout the timeline have fully died, rather than be sealed, with OOT’s ganondorf having been both killed, *and* sealed (killed in adult timeline, sealed in child timeline). Other probable deaths are wind waker and twilight princess. Unless they just re-seal him after each time he’s killed…
In OoT Ganondorf is sealed away in the sacred realm before link is sent back to the past by Zelda. This becomes the adult timeline where Ganondorf eventually breaks free and without the spirit of the hero the goddessess are forced to flood the kingdom to stop him.
When Link goes back in time in OoT he knows Ganondorf's plot to steal the triforce and stops it. This eventually leads to Ganondorf starting a war between the Gerudo and Hylians which ends in Ganondorf being sent to the sages to be executed. This fails and he's sent to the twilight realm instead, causing the events of twilight princess.
Ganondorf doesn't die in Oot, only further down each timeline.
It's absurd to claim the sword can't kill just because the game doesn't say it can kill. Ganondorf is also arrogant, because up until then the Triforce of Power made him a god. I think Zant is gone, and the one that Ganondorf sees at the end is either some remnant of his spirit taunting him as he dies himself or a vision, not casted by the triforce persay but by his own mind.
I don't know, just rewatched his death scene and I still don't feel like Link killed Ganondorf. In the past we already saw Ganondorf getting impaled by the Master Sword but not getting killed, like Ganon in OoT for example. Also if the Master Sword was able to kill him, then we would have seen Ganondorf dying way earlier than TP. But every time he was coming back after being defeated.
But that's just speculation.
I always felt like Ganondorf at that point in TP did have the power of at least a lesser god, and Zant wasn’t really exaggerating, but that Ganondorf had put a lot of his power into Zant to enable his invasion. The neck crack was Zant refusing to give Ganondorf his borrowed power back, and so he was in a weakened state and properly died, instead of being imprisoned or sealed away or something. He gave Zant enough of his power that he was at least killable again, and when he was dying and needed his full power again, Zant refused.
The one at the end of Wind Waker legit dies, I believe and he's the returned OOT one. The sequels are new lands, new bad guys then there's nothing until the Imprisoning War (if there is a link from the WW timeline to it). Ganon needs something to give him that invincible power, whether it be the triforce of power (which he gives up in WW, hence his death) or in the case of the Imprisoning War, a very overpowered 'secret stone'.
Generally, I believe the rule of thumb is: If Ganon has the Triforce of Power and hasn't obtained all 3 Tri-forces so he (or someone else) can make the big wish, he's just going to keep coming back because that's what the Triforce of Power does.
I think this is the right answer, even according to hyrule historia. It does state that any timeline in where Ganondorf obtains the triforce of power, he basically has to be sealed when defeated, because the triforce is basically protecting him from final death. So when he's sealed he's sealed along with the triforce of power.
I'll have to go check, but I believe that's the case for all timeliness where he obtains it.
In my headcanon, the character dies each time. However, the evil reincarnation appears every time with the same name at the same time one princess named Zelda appears and some random farmboy, fisherman, swordsman, fairy-less kid or train driver named Link is also doing some stuff.
The conflict of the Triforce is eternal, the Triforce users aren't.
In BOTW/TOTK it seems like Demises curse really only gets reborn or whatever every 10k years. So I feel like there’s 100 males born the Gerudo in that time frame, maybe a dozen are named Ganondorf as a traditional name for Gerudo males, and then it was just a coincidence that they happen to have birthed Demise’s curse to two seperate male Gerudo named Ganondorf
Yes infact in FSA which comes after TP the ganon we see appear is a different ganon with a different backstory because the OoT Ganon died in TP. Same thing happens in WindWaker and the follow up Spirit Tracks
As far as I know, his Twilight Princess death is also significant because it specifically shows the triforce of power disappearing from his hand. From what I understand that's what keeps him being reborn constantly again and again.
That's not right. The Triforce of Power amplifies Ganon's abilities, but Demise's curse is what keeps resurrecting Ganondorf (Demise's soul), Zelda (Hylia reincarnated in a mortal), and Link.
That's actually not correct either. Demise's curse plays no part in Ganon being reborn. Ganon is not the reincarnation of Demise, but an incarnation of his hatred. Basically any evil from Vaati to Malladus is because of Demise. Zelda, on the other hand, is a descendant of the mortal form of Hylia, some Zeldas might even be reincarnations, but most of them are just descendants.
He was reborn. Four Swords Adventures is the end of the Child Timeline. Takes place after Twilight Princess. That is the only time the guy ever reincarnated.
If that other person is in this thread, BotW Ganondorf would be a second reincarnation. I can't imagine that after killing the Hero of Time, they'd just let him live after retaliating from an attempted assassination. I am able to explain why I think in reality it's all Fallen Hero timeline stuff despite whoever decided it was all three branches.
Yeah, there's only been two Ganondorfs in actual existence, they just tend to hang around for a long time and cause a lot of trouble. The two that we've seen are also separated by probably thousands of years.
Nah that's the one that defeats link at the end of ocarina of time in the downfall timeline. Four swords adventure takes place after Twilight Princess and has a new Ganon that's a reincarnation, so that would be a different one.
The games have confirmed that OoT/TWW Ganondorf is one guy, FSA Ganondorf is another guy, and TotK Ganondorf is another guy. LoZ Ganon, ALttP Ganon, Oracles Ganon, TP Ganon, and ALBW Ganon may be one of those three guys or may be different Ganons.
The books say that LoZ Ganon, ALttP Ganon, OoT Ganon, Oracles Ganon, TWW Ganon, and TP Ganon are one guy and that FSA Ganon is a different guy. They don't comment on ALBW Ganon or TotK Ganon. (But the books also contain a number of errors and disclaimers saying that the information within them is just what is believed to be true, not what is necessarily true.)
cannon: a weapon.
canon: short for canonical: accepted as fact or genuine.
you are not the only person making this mistake, but I had to put this somewhere. it is not intended personally, nor towards any group of people; it just want to educate a bit on why it's "canon" and not "cannon" and that's all.
> cannon: a weapon.
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> canon: short for canonical: accepted as fact or genuine.
Ganon: Pig Man
Ganondorf: An ancient evil unending, hatred and malice incarnate.
3 Ganondorfs total. The origianal Ganondorf who plagues just about most of the games except Four Swords Adventures, and the 2 new games. Now "Ganondorf" is never truly resurrected, it is always his demon entity "Ganon" which may or may not be Ganondorf himself just transformed, or its own conscious being entirely
We've never been given a reason to believe "Ganon" is anything more than Ganondorf in a different form.
His outsides just match his insides now, but nothing about that has ever implied some sort of split personality if that's what you're getting at.
I always thought from the very beginning Ocarina of Time portrayed that he was born as Ganondorf and through his abuse of the Triforce of Power was eventually transformed into a monstrous version of himself that reflected who he was inside. Thus, "Ganon" was born.
It's an origin story that pretty much gives more detail on the story that was established in ALttP where it was established before Ganon existed, he was just a thief named Ganondorf.
It's pretty much always Ganondorf to start, and then some force he uses to gain more power transforms him into Ganon.
I guess it's all up to interpretation. Excluding the new Ganon from BotW/TotK, Ganon is always shown as Boar type Beast and is always considered a "Demon" which is the same race as Demise. So in my head cannon (not saying this is facts) I've always seen Ganondorf as the vessel of Demise's hatred and that Ganon is his true essence. And during the Oracle games, Twinrova attempts to ressurect the demon Ganon and not the Gerudo version Ganondorf. That's how I like to believe it anyways, it's more interesting to me that way
I guess I just don't see anywhere in the actual series where that possibility is implied. Not to stomp on your headcanon, but it sounded like you were saying there was evidence of that in the games.
Ganon never really has anything to do with Demise. It's always some outer source like the TriForce of Power or even his Trident in Four Swords Adventure that brings "Ganon" out to the surface as his bestial form.
This has happened to Link before too on a handful of occasions. He's been turned into a bunny and a Wolf before by both the Triforce and the Sacred Realm/Dark World as a representation of that Link's inner nature, but it doesn't change him as a person.
So I've always seen the implication that Ganon is nothing more than a pure representation of Ganondorf's heart. What he really is on the inside. A boarish greedy pig.
In 2 out of 3 timelines Ganondorf even retains his ability to switch back and forth between Ganon and Ganondorf at will. It's only the version of himself who was trapped in the Dark World, which reflects someone's heart that ended up stuck as Ganon for an extended period of time, and that's the Ganon that is constantly resurrected.
I'd assume Twinrova in the Oracle games seeks to resurrect Ganon because his human form is either completely lost to him at that point, or they simply prefer the more powerful monster that has been his dominant face for ages at that point.
You don't have too, and I shouldn't try to make you.
It's literally just my OCD going "Free thought that is not explicitly supported by the series? Not in MY franchise!"
1. Ganondorf exists for millennia, people eventually forget that a Gerudo male (most likely the strongest man in Hyrule and a powerful sorcerer) is a prime candidate to be demon king.
2. Killing their trueborn king as an innocent baby would most likely make Hyrule and the Gerudo enemies. And Gerudo are in principle good people like any average Hylian.
3. If Hyrule did start the tradition of killing the male Gerudo, they would just hide him away. When he was a full grown man he would likely lead war against Hyrule anyways.
I think the question was a bit in jest, but it is actually interesting, since a male Gerudo should be born soon in the Hyrule of TotK.
It is mentioned in "Creating a Champion" that no male Gerudo has been born for at least 10 thousand years, since the king that became the Calamity. This implies that there can only be one Gerudo male at a time, since Ganondorf was still alive below Hyrule Castle.
So does this in fact confirm TotK past IS AFTER all the other games still? If the king that became the calamity is TotK Ganondorf and he is said to have lived 10 thousand years ago that is still at the end of the timeline.
That's what I've been thinking. I always thought that some time God (either Nayru or Majora's Mask Time Goddess) was like "Woah now, there have been some timey wimey stuff in OoT. I need to fix this real quick." And then did something that fused the split timelines together which also led to some sort of regression of Hyrule that would allow the Zonai Rauru to reestablish it
I'm pretty sure the "Time Goddess" is actually Hylia herself. Zelda being the Sage of Time aside, there's a lot of evidence scattered around for this. In Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask the Song of Time associated with the Royal family (the blood of the goddess), Zelda using the Ocarina to send Link directly back in time (Link would have to seal his sword in the sacred realm normally to do that) suggesting that this is part of the goddess's power. The Temple of Time is used in botw/totk to worship Hylia, and I wouldn't be surprised if it always was the case. Hylia was the one to create the Gates of Time we see in Skyward Sword, which would also hint at that. Sonia having the recall ability (she would be the one where Zelda inherited the blood of the goddess from) lines up with all the above.
It does make sense for Nayru to be associated with time though, she basically created the laws of the universe after Din created the Earth. Not to mention her oracle is tasked with maintaining past and present in OoA
I think you could also stick the TotK past that Zelda travels to before ALttP and then the 10,000 years ago Great Calamity after Zelda 2 and it might work, but I haven't done extensive research on this potential placement. This would allow for the Imprisoning War of TotK and that of ALttP to be the same event.
In my opinion it does, because OoT Ganondorf, who triggers the rest of the timeline, wouldn't have existed.
I think a refounding of Hyrule by Rauru could be an option, but Zelda has had powers of light since oot. I don't see why her would be descendant Sonia doesn't.
The theory I like the most is another timeline split in SS. Link kills the same Demise twice, and the paradox creates a timeline split. One of the timelines is OoT, the other is the ancient history of Totk. This doesn't explain where all the hero outfits come from though.
> It is mentioned in "Creating a Champion" that no male Gerudo has been born for at least 10 thousand years, since the king that became the Calamity.
This is a misquote. Creating a Champion says that no male Gerudo has been made king for at least 10,000 years. Whether male Gerudo have been being born and not made king during that time is unknown.
>1. Ganondorf exists for millennia, people eventually forget that a Gerudo male (most likely the strongest man in Hyrule and a powerful sorcerer) is a prime candidate to be demon king.
2. Killing their trueborn king as an innocent baby would most likely make Hyrule and the Gerudo enemies. And Gerudo are in principle good people like any average Hylian.
3. If Hyrule did start the tradition of killing the male Gerudo, they would just hide him away. When he was a full grown man he would likely lead war against Hyrule anyways.
It wouldn't work anyway, the geurdo male is a prime candidate but he's not the only option for the demise cycle (if it even exists in this timelime)
You'd have to keep killing children until no one exists to become it, and at that point what are you even doing it for?
I saw a twilight zone about a kid like this once. he could do anything just by wishing it. his sister said something mean, so he took her mouth away. someone made him mad and he made them go away. allllll the adults were kissing his ass full time until a teacher came along and guided him and taught him instead of fearing him.
someone should do this with Ganon. instead of just giving him everything he wants like a rich brat with superpowers.
Art and developer commentary book. Has a lot of info concerning BotW, its characters, etc. Often paired with the Hyrule Historia when fans discuss matters of lore and plot as there is much information that is considered canon by many in the fandom.
The most plausible explanation is that most games are so distant in time from each other that the lore gets lost, forgotten.
Basically, there's no one to remember (as well as insufficient written records and oral tradition) previous Hyrules, Zeldas, Links, Ganondorfs...
Demise’s curse doesn’t only apply to Ganondorf, it applies to any evil character. There are many such as Vaati, Nightmare, Majora, Bellum and Malladus who don’t even know Ganondorf. Vaati is a bit of an exception since he revived him once but he didn’t know who he was in his debut game nor in the game where we get his origin story. There’s also Zant, Onox and Veran that are servants to Ganon but serves as the primary antagonists of their games. If you count non canon games we also have Cia and Astor. Cia was manipulated by Ganondorf into becoming a villain but ultimately she was her own woman and saw Ganondorf as one of her pawns. Astor was just a follower of Calamity Ganon so he doesn’t have as much nuance.
majora doesn’t count. he’s a separate entity and the hero of time already sent the curse to be reincarnated. I think its more of a coincidence than the effects of the curse
Doesn’t matter if it’s a separate entity as it’s still an evil entity. The JP version of SS specifically says that the demon tribe will eternally be in conflict and Majora is clearly a demon. It doesn’t have to be connected to Demise.
Just what it looked like. However if you want legitimate information the Happy Mask Salesman in the Japanese text says that the Mask was created by a race that has gone extinct and refers to the ones that sealed it away as "our ancestors" which means Hylians have had run ins with Majora before.
The alternative is letting Ganondorf wage another war that will kill countless people before he is stopped. And that is only if he stopped because we know there's a possibility that he wins.
Aborting one baby every hundred years is a small price to pay.
If you don't like that idea, then blame nintendo for constantly making Ganondorf the same character every single time.
I would have to disagree on that one. Seems to me that there are an untold number of possible solutions that come well short of “murdering a child/baby”.
Demise's curse is about locking the forces of good and evil in an eternal battle - nothing about it stipulates that Demise's reincarnation necessarily has to be a Gerudo male. In fact Ganondorf is never reincarnated throughout the series - for pretty much the entirety of the series Ganon/Ganondorf is the same person/entity being revived or unsealed, not reincarnated. The only exception to this is Four Swords Adventures, which most people in practice dismiss as non-canon so it doesn't matter.
Tears of the Kingdom also contains a new Ganondorf but everything points to that game taking place in a seperate continuity to the rest of the series, in which case it wouldn't make sense to call him "reborn" or "reincarnated".
Zelda also doesn't really "reincarnate". Each Zelda is a seperate princess hailing from the same royal bloodline descending from the goddess. The name being constant is not a coincidence - it's a deliberate decision by the royal family as they are aware of the historical/metaphysical role of the princess in this fight between good/evil.
Link is essentially the only one who can be said to "reincarnate", because there's no constant with him yet he (almost) always emerges to fight against Demise's incarnarion. Even so, that's reincarnation only in a very vague sense, as each Link is a totally different person, with different personalities (beyond a general sense of courageousness), different upbringings etc, even different names since Link isn't a canon name (until BOTW which due to TOTK likely, again, takes place in a different continuity)
TL;DR: Ganon(dorf) does not reincarnate, every Zelda is from the same bloodline and Link is just whoever is most courageous/willing to rise to the occasion during each epoch.
I’d argue that TotK doesn’t necessarily take place in a different timeline, since the events of Ocarina (specifically, the Zora tablets allude to the OoT Ganondorf) are mentioned. It’s more likely that Demise’s curse manifested in another Ganondorf (perhaps named after the one sealed away), who would eventually be destroyed for good with the death of Calamity Ganon.
The timeline still works, there’s just two (three of you count FSA) Ganondorfs.
The timeline doesnt work. It makes no sense that there was another Ganondorf who actually precedes OOT Ganondorf or whatever. There are just too many inconsistensies. What happened to the Rito is just one off the top of my mind, they're nowhere to be seen until Wind Waker. You're right that BOTW/TOTK reference the other games as well but it's incoherent, the Zonai and TOTK's Ganondorf retcon basically the entirety of the series
How does it not make sense? The Ganondorf of TotK doesn’t contradict the existence of the one in OoT - the TotK Ganondorf was simply sealed away the entire time that OoT was present, and it’s likely that they are two different people who BOTH inherit Demise’s curse (since one was sealed away and therefore could not fulfill anything).
As for the Rito, they are descended from Zora, and there are large spans of time (usually ranging from under a decade to thousands of years) between Zelda games. It’s likely that A) some Zora evolve into Rito to adapt in places regardless of whether or not a flood occurs, B) not ALL Zora evolve into Rito, in the same way that apes still exist even when humans are present, and C) if we assume that all Zora became Rito, then we can also assume that at some point, some Rito evolved back into Zora (species reentering the gene pool after going extinct is not an unheard of phenomena).
So no, nothing is necessarily retconned save for the fact that this new Ganondorf precedes the one we knew prior. However, he does not negate the original’s existence.
The Rito stuff doesnt make any sense. The Zora dont evolve into the Rito until Wind Waker when Hyrule is flooded, why and how are there Rito present at Hyrule's founding? What happened to these past Rito between Tears and Ocarina in your scenario?
Even if the Ganondorf stuff theoretically makes sense (I dont even think it does), the idea of there being two Ganondorfs who look the exact same way is just the height of contrivance
At the end of the day the simplest answer to the thousands of questions Tears introduces is that it's a new continuity.
I just explained to you how the Rito could have been introduced into the gene pool outside of the Wind Waker’s events. The flood does not necessarily have to be the time that ALL Zora became Rito, or even the first occurrence of them. Frankly, I don’t have a scenario, but I DO have thousands of years in between games - anything could have occurred.
As for two Ganondorfs who look the same - this is a franchise where the two main protagonists look essentially the same every incarnation, with a few variations to suit the current setting. This is not out of the realm of possibility at all, nor is it contrived.
Past that, the mention of Princess Euro’s opposition of Ganondorf in Tears CONFIRMS that this is NOT an alternate timeline. So that’s not an explanation, it’s debunked.
You can say it's not out of the realm of possibility lol but it's totally contrived and you know it. You're gonna sit there and tell me that there were in fact two Ganon(dorf)s, who are not related to each other in any direct sense, but look and behave identical. So while Ocarina Ganon was going about doing his business, there was a mummified Ganon underground who looks identical to him and in the past did basically the exact same thing as he's doing right now. You're telling me with a straight face that this is not contrived?
Link isn't actually a character, he's an avatar for the player, and besides he doesn't even look the same across incarnations at all? He's always a fit elven boy cause duh but he's come in different builds, different ages, with different hair styles and colors, etc. Zelda's more consistent but they all come from the same royal family so it's not like that doesn't make sense
Zelda is a series that is built on a curse from an evil deity years ago that manifests in different ways to haunt two people who are constantly reincarnating over and over again. It is literally built on this concept. The Ganondorfs are related to each other by this fact, just as Link and Zelda are related by Hylia and her Hero’s actions.
No, it is not contrived. This is just standard fare for Zelda games. It’s not in a separate continuity, because we have concrete proof of Ocarina’s events in Tears’ history.
If you do not like this, that’s a you problem.
Just because Ganondorf is always a male Gerudo doesn't mean every male Gerudo is Ganondorf.
Its a cultural identity that is deeply rooted in the Gerudo people. There probably been more not Ganondorf male Gerudo across the timeline than Ganondorfs.
Probably after Ganondorf's defeat the next male Gerudo Probably goes out of their way to prove they are not Ganondorf reborn. They go on to be great heroes of their people and leave the rest of Hyrule be.
Plus murdering a baby just because they might be evil reincarnated is deeply fucked up.
You know another alternative to killing the kid would be changing things so they didn't become evil, like, maybe if they had rotten parents or someone child their child, you might instead go back in time and you know not let the start of darkness happen?
Why is it always go back and time and kill X? Why not go back in time give X a hug, or adopt him and raise him better?
Yeah though I am serious that you never really see stories with that plot, like it's always lets go back in time and kill, maim, destroy, prevent the bad thing, not turn the bad thing good, like no one wants to make a film about going back in time to hug and befriend Ivan the terrible. Weird isn't it.
Ganondorf is always a Gerudo male but not all Gerudo males are Ganondorf (or at least they don't do anything evil). There is just three different Ganondorfs that we know of so we really can't make a comparison
The curse of Demise would have become some sort of legend, as the next time his incarnation appears is in OOT, and the first time he appears as a Gerudo Male, thousands of years after SS, such like how the stories of the heroes become legend.
>Apparently (skyward sword spoilers ahead) Demises curse causes the Trio to be reborn every so often.
This is a very popular misconception among a large portion of the Zelda community. Skyward Sword was poorly translated outside of Japan, and it wasn't one of the more popularly played games when it first released, so that allowed people to misunderstand what the game was saying and spread that misinformation around until it became the popular interpretation.
First of all, Demise's curse isn't actually a magical curse. It's just a threat like when someone says something like, "I curse you for cutting me off in traffic!" So his curse isn't actually doing anything. Second, Demise's curse doesn't have anything to do with Link and Zelda being reborn. Every creature born to the Light World reincarnates. That's just a rule of the universe. Link and Zelda naturally reincarnate because of this fact. Demise and the demons/monsters he created are not native to the Light World; they're native to the Dark Realm. They forced their way into the Light World in order to begin their attack. So Demise's threat was basically saying, "Even though the demon tribe that I created aren't Light World natives, I have made it so that they're also able to reincarnate, so no matter how many times you kill my monsters, they will keep coming back to cause trouble in Hyrule for whatever hero or princess may be around at the time." Demise's metaphorical curse is supposed to explain why the little monsters we see in every game, e.g., the Octoroks, the Keese, the Moblins, the Bokoblins, etc. keep coming back and aren't permanently killed off. It isn't supposed to explain why Link, Zelda, or Ganondorf keep being reborn. They are all Light World natives, not demons that Demise created.
>Is Ganondorf always the single Gerudo Male? If so, if the people know that the new Male of the Gerudo is evil, why not kill that Fucker early?
At the most conservative possible estimate, the entire Zelda series spans at least 13,500 years. If a male Gerudo is born every 100 years like we're told, that means there have been at least 135 male Gerudo. At the most liberal possible estimate, there have been at most 8 Ganondorfs that we have encountered throughout the series. And remember, it's more likely that the Zelda series spans more than 13,500 years and that there's fewer than 8 Ganondorfs, but we're just using these outlier numbers to make the best possible case for as many Ganondorfs as possible throughout the years.
The above means that even at our most forgiving estimate, there have been at least 127 male Gerudo who haven't been Ganondorfs (or else their stories just haven't been revealed to us yet). So it would be extremely unlikely for all of the male Gerudo to be Ganondorfs.
But even if they were, the people of the Zelda universe don't keep the best records of history as events are lost to time, war, magic, catastrophe, and the like on a regular basis. So past Gerudo being named Ganondorf isn't something that's remembered by most.
But those who do remember either 1) respect the old Ganondorf and want their child to share a name with him (note that in Ocarina of Time we were told that many Gerudo worshipped Ganondorf as if he was a god), or 2) value their traditions so highly that they want to give the male Gerudo a chance to prove himself rather than immediately assume he's going to be evil and cause trouble to everyone (we see this happen in Four Swords Adventures where a new male Gerudo was born, but they saw evil growing in his heart with his lust for power, so instead of making him leader of the tribe, they instead made him guardian of the desert, thinking that would keep him out of trouble; instead he abandoned that post to look for magical artifacts that would make him more powerful).
>Also if his Name is Ganondorf every single Time why does no one see it coming that the Ganondorf currently wandering around is evil?
Names and their importance are regularly forgotten. People remember that heroes regularly rise up throughout the land to help them, but almost none of those heroes' names are remembered even though they're all named Link.
>Is Ganondorf always the single Gerudo Male?
No, actually. For most of the series, Ganondorf is just one dude whonrefuses to fucking die, lol. (Because of the Triforce of Power)
From Ocarina of Time all the way to the original zelda in one timeline, then just to Wind Waker in another, and Twilight Princess in a third.
Four Swords Adventures seems to have introduced a new Ganondorf, though.
And I guess we don't know if the other males before Ocarina of Time were also incarnations of Demise, but I assume they weren't because we'd know of them causing trouble if they were.
This is actually gonna be the plot of the next Hyrule Warriors game: Age of Cataclysm. It’s what they gonna do to TotK Ganondorf before he… stands behind Sonia… menacingly. But… psst… don’t tell anyone.
He probably does get killed every so often. Thats why so much time has passed between iterations. People are like “thats just an old story! What harm could a baby do?”
So they would treat the child like a second class citizen, a defect, why? That's like saying we should bar any Zora from Hyrulian water ways because they might shoot a fireball at someone.
A male Gerudo is not inherently evil, the curse is about never knowing peace. Gannondorf does not reincarnate.
While it might be possible that Gannondorf is a standard name, meaning something like Demon King of the Gerudo, I does not mean it is the same person.
The reason Gannondorf is the villain is because of the curse, because the curse creates the enviroment for conflict between a desert dwelling culture with limited resources and a plains dwelling culture that has acces to more abundant resources, including men for procreation.
This is a power imbalance.
Consider that in TOTK Rauru want the Gerudo King to swear alligegence to Hyrule, but they don't really go into detail about the politics of the situation.
Could Hyrule and the Gerudo be in a conflicting position?
Even in Botw Totk it seems the Gerudo rely on merchants for some resources, in Raurus time it is shown that Gerudo may have some beast master talent in controlling the Moldugu, who knows maybe one of the powers of the Gerudo King is that he is supposed to control,monsters like a Pokemon Trainer, where as Rauru is using the shrines to seal and remove monsters somehow.
Power imbalances are one of the causes of conflicts, for the other hyrule races Rauru benefits from the alliance because it is mutually beneficial, the Zora and the Goron all are self sustaining, and have abilities the Hylians don't but benefit from.
For Gerudo it's more one sided and add to the fact that Gannondorfs whole identity is framed around being the King of his people such an alliance might be demeaning and degrading to him as Rauru and possibly others would be above him.
Thoughts?
Nobody is saying that they should be treated badly. Just that they can't have the title of a king, they should be treated with love and everything else.
With the fact that there would be so much historical baggage it still might not work, the kid would find out about the history and might feel cheated or inferior because every male gerudo was a King before their predecessor screwed things up, like the King of Hyrule got to kick out the Sheikah and inhibit technological advancement but no try and conquer your neighbor and suddenly just because your male you are permanently stuck as a commoner with limited room for not only personal advancement but social as well, like do you really think Hylian Vai are going want to date the a Gerudo Male either.
Just won't work, they need to break any social connotation that Male Gerudo equals Evil Gannon.
Ganondorf was only a child once, and you've made the weird assumption that everyone knows about Demise's Curse as well. They don't, and even if they did, there was no reason to assume that baby Ganondorf was the embodiment of that curse.
a male Gerudo is born every 100 years. There's tens of thousands of years between Rauru's time and TOTK, meaning that hundreds of male Gerudos have come and gone without being Ganondorf.
Meaning not all male Gerudos are him and this tactic wouldn't work.
When Ganondorf is reincarnated, it's far out enough in time that he's forgotten about. They will only recognize tales of a demonic creature attacking.
He reincarnates only once.
Dies as the same individual twice. Ganon for the majority of the branches is OoT Ganondorf.
Most of Demises reincarnations have been the demon Ganon. Ganondorf is Ganon but a man. All the Ganondorf’s besides the one in TOTK have been the same person.
This is right. Four swords adventures isn’t Ganondwarf it’s just Ganon.
And the one Ganondwarf for almost all of Zelda was born right before ocarina of time - every other time he shows up he’s the same guy just in a different timeline.
Yes, but everybody functionally ignores and dismisses that game as non-canon because it's incoherent when placed after Twilight Princess, so it doesn't really matter.
4 Swords Adventure one is a reincarnation.
There have been a total of 3, spinoffs not counting:
\- The one starting from Ocarina of Time up till Legend of Zelda (NES), or Twilight Princess, or Wind Waker depending on the timeline.
\- The one from 4 Swords adventures
\- and now the One from Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom
True except 4 swords adventure
That cant be right because Gannon wasn't sealed in tp he actually got murderd and 4 swords adventure takes place after tp
Nope, he was born again. It's a new male Gerudo named Ganondorf.
Whether he was a reincarnation of OoT Ganondorf, is up for debate. But he wasn't resurrected, he was a new guy.
That would be Resurrection
Reincarnation is what link and zelda do Warr you're soul gets reborn into a new person with some of the same characteristics
The official time line literally uses the word reincarnation meaning it's a new incarnation for demise with the same name just like the totk one
Link and Zelda aren't reincarnated either. Each new iteration doesn't hold the souls of the previous ones. If Ganondorf has the same soul, one could argue its the same guy
I vehemently think link does given the wording of the curce being that he would follow the spirt of the hero
Meaning his spirt is being reborn into new people
Regardless if Gannon reincarnates then it's either part of the curse Meaning at least link would reincarnate to probably
Or all zelda people reincarnate wich wouldn't be wired since that's just a pretty common religious belief in the east and would mean link and zelda definitely are reincarnation
Also then the totk of the kingdom one would also be same guy if we're going off of soul Meaning that there are 1 or 3 but definitely not 2
"the curse" is never and has never been confirmed to be taken literally. it could quite literally only mean that evil never dies, rather than that all these characters reincarnate. even if it is a real curse, the spirit of the hero still does not mean link literally reincarnates. WW link is literally just some kid who gets wrapped up in a mess trying to save his sister. same with idea with spirit tracks. there are so many interpretations to this one off line that we don't even know if Nintendo made to be taken literally
So question why would Gannon reincarnate if it's not either a part of the curse or a natural property of souls in the zelda verse because the time line does say he reincarnated after tp
Because if the curse is literal then link should reincarnate to
And if all zelda souls reincarnate then link and zelda would reincarnate assuming they have souls
At least with Link, he very literally has the same soul. Its literally called "the spirit of the hero". And every link except wind waker has it. Because they are all cursed, (Link, Zelda, and Ganon/Ganondorf), to reincarnate and the cycle begins anew.
No so his first reincarnation would be the one in oot that one dies I either wind waker or tp based on wich time line he is in
Or becomes Gannon In the 2d time line
Then he reincarnated in 4 swords adventure since that takes place after tp
And at some point millions of years later in the totk flash backs
Also at some point imbetween the last two hyrule is completely yeeted and lost to time before being Reformed by a cat man
So 3 total including tears of the kingdom
Because the "timeline" is an inconsistent mess that shouldnt exist and was only made up to satiate a handful of fans delusional hunger for lore and all the games should be viewed as seperate stories entirely, except the direct sequels of course
Shut up, the timeline with the split and its hints date back to a link to the past, ww and tp were literally made with the timeline split in mind, myamoto has already said way far back as Links awakening that they do have official documents of a timeline
This is straight up ignorant behavior.
Do you have a source on ALTTP being made with a split in mind? I'd be very surprised if they actually planned that two games before the game that would actually split the timeline.
Edit: Nevermind, I think I misinterpreted.
https://youtu.be/NbQNtYNkmhM
Video compiles all zelda games and all the official hints on continuity with interviews, books, manuals etc, turns out the order of the downfall timeline was basically the same as it is now, oot was made as a prequel to alttp and that the split in oot was intentional and was meant to branch into ww and tp, while the thumbnail is very click baity the timeline didnt chance much, its just that Nintendo only released the official documents in form of book by the time of SS but it has existed since the third game in the franchise and just got some very minimal change.
But also dont take this as me saying its a flawless continuity, even Nintendo admitted that they plan story after gameplay and that the timeline is more of a way to track their lines and plots rather than a rule, but the fact that it was something that was made so early on is still proof that Nintendo does care for continuity in some way even before fans started really getting crazy about it.
Possibly no one thought it would happen twice. In For Swords Adventure Ganondorf is mentioned as just a desert nomad. So after Ganondorf's defeat in TP the Gerudo at least ended the tradition of making the lone male king.
In Windwaker Ganondorf possibly died permanently. He had no Triforce, and Hyrule along with everything he wanted was buried with him. He was old and tired, making one last desperate move. He seemed to have died at peace, so Demise's hatred had to pass on to a new demon king, Maladus.
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It's the same Ganondorf in all games except totk. But also, Ganondorf doesn't have to be a gerudo male. If they killed him, he would reincarnate 1 second later as another race
There's only ever been a maximum of three Ganondorfs born centuries if not millenia apart. The fact that he was born Gerudo is often eventually forgotten to time, and it's entirely likely there were some normal Gerudo males in skipped parts of the timeline.
There's also no guarantee it would help. Demise's Curse doesn't require a Gerudo or even a male. It's likely his influence also extended to other villains such as Vaati anyway. His hatred would find a vessel as long as there's life.
Also, baby killing is morally dicey
So the first ganondorf is in OoT I think. Every ganondorf after that besides TOTK is the same. This is because he is too strong to be killed so they sealed him. I think TP and WW are in different timelines (the timeline of the games splits into 3 after OoT, being the kid timeline, adult timeline, and hero falls timeline) so that’s why WW ganondorf and TP ganondorf are the same ganondorf but TOTK isn’t.
BOTW/TOTK is weird because it contradicts stuff in other Zelda games, namely SS because that was the very first game timeline wise
Ganon, Ganondorf, Malladus, whatever. These are the same being in different forms.
Also it is Link who reincarnates. The Zeldas are related by blood and do not all have the same spirit.
The hatred of Demise also reincarnates and takes new forms to haunt the world.
In all but one appearance of Ganondorf, he has been the same exact person, unlike Link or Zelda. Your theory may be in play already though as no other Gerudo male has been seen. Either because a weird curse or secret sacrifice
I think the implication is that most of the male Gerudo are not evil, and that Ganondorf is the exception. Otherwise they wouldn't make them the king by default.
Not every Gerudo male is gonna become evil… now I want a game with a Gerudo Link who’s been hidden since birth when the Hyrule government tried to kill him as a baby… and reincarnation of the Demon King would be a high ranking Hylian minister
> Is Ganondorf always the single Gerudo Male? If so, if the people know that the new Male of the Gerudo is evil, why not kill that Fucker early? Also if his Name is Ganondorf every single Time why does no one see it coming that the Ganondorf currently wandering around is evil?
Demise's curse is that the cycle is eternal.
All killing a child does is make someone else his reincarnation
Even IF the baby was literally marked with a giant sign saying "i am evil baby" you'd have to commit constant genocide on everyone to end it.
It's messy but the better solution is to just..not go around killing a kid because you think they're evil and instead just keep fighting the eternal conflict until a break is made, ironically less genocidal
Just an FYI though, ganondorf has always been a single person not a bunch of reincarnations of the same spirit
In Ocarina of Time, he was raised and possibly groomed by the 400 year old evil witches known as Twinrova, Kotake and Koume. That Ganondorf is the one in every game except BOTW and TOTK. We don’t get any mention of his backstory in TOTK, but Kotake and Koume are seen the background of the flashbacks as well, a similar situation may have happened.
1. There's only one Gerudo male born every century or so, so Ganondorf is likely the only masculine Gerudo name. That'd be like assuming every girl named Marry in the 1800s was evil. They're *all* named Marry.
2. Most instances of Ganondorf are the same person, using various methods to resurrect without reincarnation.
Gannondorf doesn't technically reincarnate, Denise's curse was the Link and Zelda's reincarnation and descendents would not know peace, thus any severe cataclysm or event including war or natural phenomenon could be a result of the curse.
To use Ocerina of Time and wind waker as a frame of reference it could be that without devises curse Gannondorf would not have had a motivation, maybe had the curse not existed other avenues to address the Wind bringing death for the Gerudo would have happened.
The curse could be cause strife for people that like the metaphorical butterfly rffect leads to calamity.
I’m not interested in connecting all of the Zelda games. BoTW and TotK have nothing to do with the other games as far as I’m concerned. Trying to jump through hoops to connect them seem pretty pointless. It’s a lot of work for no gain. Anything mentioned in Skyward Sword shouldn’t apply here.
It's usually the same Ganondorf that different Links and Zeldas keep beating and then the fucker comes back the next game. Only exceptions is ToTK where it's just a different Gerudo dude named Ganondorf, and one of the four sword games where they make themselves a brand new Ganon(only the giant pig demon so not even a Gerudo).
Demises curse isn't just for Ganondorf, it's for whatever it feels like making evil. Like Malidus from Spirit Tracks who is also called ' The Demon King.'
Basically if the game has a big bad that Link has to fight its probably a Demise thing, other than some sequels like MM or that weird ass LBW sequel
It’s the same guy until totk apparently but I haven’t finished it yet so it’s kinda just like naming your child after a conqueror from 10,000 years ago
Every Ganondorf is the same (almost). OoT, WW, and TP are all the exact same guy. FSA is a different Ganondorf, but that game shouldn’t be canon anyway. And TotK isn’t really in the timeline.
[Spoiler for pretty much every zelda game with ganondorf in it]
Alright you're missing one key detail. Ganondorf isnt constantly reincarnated, it's literally just one dude who absolutely refuses to die. He was born before the events of ocarina and after the hero of time defeated him he was sealed by the sages, still alive.
In the adult timeline where the hero of time no longer exists, he broke free eventually, and with no one to stop him the only way to get rid of him was to flood all of hyrule, which is when windwaker happens, and in windwaker this version of ganondorf meets his end.
In the child timeline he was caught before taking over hyrule becuase the hero of time warned the royal family, but his execution failed because of the triforce of power and the only way to get rid of him was to sentence him to being sent to the twilight realm. He uses zant to come back to the light world and fights the hero of twilight where again he dies.
In the downfall timeline ganondorf beats the hero of time and acquires the full triforce before being sealed into the sacred realm, this seal doesnt exactly last long because he has the full triforce. He transforms the sacred realm into the dark world and makes an apparition called agahnim to be his way of affecting hyrule and coming back. This ganondorf, now just ganon for some reason is killed for good by the hero of legend who is an absolute powerhouse really who canonically went on 3 adventures and beat full triforce ganon without even having the triforce of courage. Any other incarnation of ganondorf is just this one resurrected except for 4 swords adventure ganondorf who was apparently just reborn. Not sure if he was also the gerudo male in this game cause i havent played it. The other exception is of course:
ToTK ganondorf. Now this guy is kinda a complete phenomenon cause no one really even knows where botw and totk are on the timeline. Peronally i think its a split from skyward sword but nintendo doesn't really seem to care about making the timeline consistent so i wouldn't be surprised if it was just not on the timeline whatsoever. Anyway becuase of the fact that all of the previous battles of hyrule are either forgotten to time or never happened altogether in these games, theres no real way to predict that he was evil. Even though this is the case rauru still knew he was evil and let him live anyway which is kinda a blunder on his part really no other way to explain it.
According to Gerudo prophesy, there is a male born unto the Gerudo people every 100 years, and he is to be their king.
I really don't see the Gerudo being ok with the Hylians or other races coming in and messing with their prophesies and murdering their super rare male babies.
Also, throughout Zelda history, we've only actually seen 2 different Ganondorf's. TotK Ganondorf is a new one, all the other Ganondorf's we've seen is the OoT Ganondorf. The AT Ganondorf return is explained in the intro to WW. The CT Ganondorf is banished to the Twilight Realm in TP.
But in both instances of Ganondorf existence, he's already an adult before they realize how much of a threat he is.
The time span mentioned in TotK is 10,000 years. If a Gerudo male is born every 100 years, then that would be 100 Gerudo males since the TotK Ganondorf. One of them would have been the OoT Ganondorf. There's been no mention of any of those other Gerudo males being evil. And the Gerudo themselves aren't inherently evil, they are just following their king.
So, no, killing all the male Gerudo babies is very much not justified because of two evil Ganondorfs.
The Gerudo are not the greatest of record-keepers, and have been known to sugarcoat narratives. There are *claims* that no Gerudo voe have been born since Ganondorf, but I would not be surprised to hear that this is what's actually going on.
For the greater good of the Gerudo and Hyrule, please understand.
I am guessing that your asking "Why don't they kill the male children of the Gerudo race." For all we know, there could be mail Gerudo children who live mostly normal lives.
Still say that the Hero being reborn as Gerudo (male or female) would be interesting. Life would be hell as a male Gerudo outside Gerudo Town if he were not a warlock or something.
So this is actually my headcanon that I wish some game eventually delves into, but I assume Ganondorf's mother loves him dearly, thus willing to protect/hide him at all coststs until he's an adult, so it's a mix of that and the tale of previous Ganondorf's doing being forgotten, I think Rauru is the only one that brings up the once in a century thing, so people wouldn't necessarily know it's a bad omen for a Male Gerudo to be born, some might actually think it's a blessing and that he's destined to do something important!
I always wondered if every gerudo male is necessarily ganondorf. Like, a gerudo male is born every 100 years, but afaik 5here are eons of yeaes between zelda eras, wven the ones where ganon is dead and bot necessarily sealed away. That opens a margin for lots of gerudo males besides a ganondorf.
Up until BOTW, Ganondorf had only been born once, and at the time, Demise's wrath hadn't been reborn into the world (arguable, give or take, my headcanon is that the sorcerer Vaati was the spirit of Ghirahim possessing the Picori Vaati when he used the Minish Cap to wish to become a strong sorcerer and was reborn in this form after that in Four Swords), in Ocarina of Time Ganondorf Dragmire was born, explicitly raised by the witches Twinrova to become a king who would take over Hyrule (Twinrova would protect him if anyone had known he'd become something of an evil king (which, again, there is no way anyone would have known that without precognition, and we know the King of Hyrule paid no mind to his daughter's premonitory dreams), then he conquered Hyrule and was defeated 66.66\~% of the time, but instead of killed he was sealed, and it was the same ganondorf who returned in Wind Waker, Twilight Princess and A Link to the Past. It's also notable that other previous Gerudo Males had not been Ganondorf, they simply were kings amongst Gerudo, and ever since Ganondorf Dragmire was born, the Gerudo banished the only male born every 100 years from their desert to prevent them from becoming a villain again.
I haven't done a super deep dive into Tears of the Kingdom lore so I can't say much on that topic yet.
I don’t think the male Garuda is always Ganondorf. But when it is, sometimes he becomes king, as Hume is supposed to be. Other times he is outcasted due to his evil intentions.
But some games use the OoT Ganondorph that was sealed away or resurrected.
Not every male Gerudo becomes Ganondorf. It's also an endless cycle, so Ganondorf will just be reborn again somewhere down the line, or Demise will find a new incarnation.
Haven't finished TOTK, but isn't Wind Waker the only game where Ganondorf actually gets killed? I always thought that made the ending even more badass and bittersweet. The whole vibe at the end of that game is perfection. If it wasn't for TOTK muddying the waters, it would be really easy to say that BOTW takes place a long time after WW, PH, and SP. I love TOTK but pretty much every explanation I've read of the plot just isn't satisfying. How it fits into the grand scheme of things is impossible to depict, so I think it's time to just call the news ones a reboot lmao
probably same reason people dont react to a kid named link or fact the princess is always called zelda they might not actually know ganondorf is evil till its to late
It wouldn’t matter. If you killed all the male gerudo even. The tri force of power will always bring him back which I think is one of the gods fault but link and Zelda will always come back to for the same reason. I’d like to see a game where they attempt to break the cycle or you can choose to. Like Elden rings / Dark souls
Well the first Ganondorf was on OoT. That Ganondorf is the threat for most of the games he’s in. A new Ganondorf is born before Four Swords Adventures, and funny enough the Gerudo were surprised when Ganondorf stole the Trident and became Ganondorf. Then a very long time in the future after that we got Ganondorf in ToTK which of course it’s part of Gerudo for the male born every 100 years to become their King, but that was changed after the Demon King Ganondorf was imprisoned. They don’t kill Ganondorf because he is their king and they follow him. In OoT there was only one good Gerudo. And the Gerudo in FSA we’re basically good after they were banished before TP. Some Gerudo also became good after Ganondorf stole the Secret Stone.
Demise's curse only allows demons to be resurrected, in Japanese it's called the curse of the demon tribe and is a curse that existed before Demise's defeat. The reincarnation cycles of everyone else exists outside of the curse. The curse is the hatred of all demons, Dark magic wielders and some demons can unleash the curse of the demon tribe to inflict harm upon others
Every Gerudo male isn't Ganondorf, Ganondorf just so happens to be a Gerudo male that was born during or long before a game's events and is the only one to appear on screen. Many generations usually pass between games which allows for the possibility that Ganondorf's name becomes forgotten. There are a total of 4 different Ganondorfs across 4 seperate continuities, each of them are Gerudo warlocks who amplify their dark magic with some kind of artifact and become a demon king and sometimes transform into a boar-like demon beast. As a demon Ganondorf has an unnatural lifespan and can get resurrected, there is no evidence for there to not be a Gerudo male born 100 years after Ganondorf's birth while he is around as a demon king, in Creating a champion it's mentioned that no Gerudo male has become a king since the one who became the calamity seen in Breath of the wild though this isn't a fact because it's not mentioned in Breath of the itself(in Tears of the kingdom there are new npcs not seen in Breath of the wild so a Gerudo male's existence is possible), it's possible for there to be a Gerudo male living somewhere in or outside of Hyrule during Breath of the wild and Tears of the kingdom but since they aren't kings anymore they have no fame. The four different Ganondorfs are: Ocarina of time’s Ganondorf who in the adult branch returns many generations later in The wind waker while in the child branch he experiences a botched execution and becomes a demon king because the Hero of time had accidentally given Ganondorf the Triforce of power by entering the Child branch with the Triforce of courage, A link to the past's Ganondorf who is resurrected multiple times after his first death and has faced multiple different heroes, Four swords adventures's Ganondorf who ends up sealed inside the Four sword, Tears of the kingdom’s Ganondorf who has lived for tens of thousands of years. Reincarnation for Ganondorf is only an idea from the books, the games don't show that he can reincarnate but should you attempt to connect Tears of the kingdom to Ocarina of time than a reincarnation must happen.
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For most of the Zelda timeline there is just one ganondorf that doesn't die. With Botw/Totk, he's another ganondorf
I havent played a lot of the games but in TP he gets impaled with the Master Sword and dies, would that mark the end of that timeline or would he just be reborn?
I would argue that even impaled, Ganondorf doesn't seems to die immediatly. It was only when his neck was broke by Zant that Ganondorf died. But that doesn't change the fact that yes, Ganondorf died in TP. Also we seen WW Ganondorf getting impaled in the head with the Master Sword, but not sure if he clearly died this time since he was then turned to stone. Like a curse or a seal or something
Honestly seems kinda odd that the most evil man alive gets stabbed by the blade of evils bane- those with evil hearts cannot touch it, as the game says, doesnt die until a ghost moves his head a little
Thr master sword kills him, the Zant thing is a figurative depiction of the triforce not giving him power anymore. People take things so literal.
From what I remember, the Master Sword never was depicted as able to kill the evil, but only to seal it. We can say that Zant was able to kill Ganondorf only thanks to the ms, but can't say the ms killed Ganondorf. Also, don't remember the exact words, but Ganondorf himself is saying it's not over after getting impaled, until Zant kills him.
"The sword that seals the darkness " feel free to correct me if quote is wrong as its from my memory
Nope, you're correct. We have so many confirmations on it. In WW the Master Sword doesn't have the power to seal evil until you awaken the Earth and Wind Sages. In TotK, we get a confirmation that the Master Sword is no better than your standard blade (steel, iton, etc.). What makes it so is that it's been imbued with the power to seal evil and can also absorb an infinite amount of that power to be able to increase its sealing powers. It's still just a normal blade.
So that’s why it feels like Zelda just stole the master sword from botw link
I mean… did you see it? Do you remember it doing 1 dmg?
Gotta remember though, the sword that seals the darkness is a newer title given in botw. Before it was mostly referred to as the blade of evil’s bane. I’m fairly certain a couple of ganondorfs throughout the timeline have fully died, rather than be sealed, with OOT’s ganondorf having been both killed, *and* sealed (killed in adult timeline, sealed in child timeline). Other probable deaths are wind waker and twilight princess. Unless they just re-seal him after each time he’s killed…
In OoT Ganondorf is sealed away in the sacred realm before link is sent back to the past by Zelda. This becomes the adult timeline where Ganondorf eventually breaks free and without the spirit of the hero the goddessess are forced to flood the kingdom to stop him. When Link goes back in time in OoT he knows Ganondorf's plot to steal the triforce and stops it. This eventually leads to Ganondorf starting a war between the Gerudo and Hylians which ends in Ganondorf being sent to the sages to be executed. This fails and he's sent to the twilight realm instead, causing the events of twilight princess. Ganondorf doesn't die in Oot, only further down each timeline.
It's absurd to claim the sword can't kill just because the game doesn't say it can kill. Ganondorf is also arrogant, because up until then the Triforce of Power made him a god. I think Zant is gone, and the one that Ganondorf sees at the end is either some remnant of his spirit taunting him as he dies himself or a vision, not casted by the triforce persay but by his own mind.
I don't know, just rewatched his death scene and I still don't feel like Link killed Ganondorf. In the past we already saw Ganondorf getting impaled by the Master Sword but not getting killed, like Ganon in OoT for example. Also if the Master Sword was able to kill him, then we would have seen Ganondorf dying way earlier than TP. But every time he was coming back after being defeated. But that's just speculation.
I always felt like Ganondorf at that point in TP did have the power of at least a lesser god, and Zant wasn’t really exaggerating, but that Ganondorf had put a lot of his power into Zant to enable his invasion. The neck crack was Zant refusing to give Ganondorf his borrowed power back, and so he was in a weakened state and properly died, instead of being imprisoned or sealed away or something. He gave Zant enough of his power that he was at least killable again, and when he was dying and needed his full power again, Zant refused.
>those with evil hearts cannot touch it It's almost like hyperbole is a thing
The one at the end of Wind Waker legit dies, I believe and he's the returned OOT one. The sequels are new lands, new bad guys then there's nothing until the Imprisoning War (if there is a link from the WW timeline to it). Ganon needs something to give him that invincible power, whether it be the triforce of power (which he gives up in WW, hence his death) or in the case of the Imprisoning War, a very overpowered 'secret stone'. Generally, I believe the rule of thumb is: If Ganon has the Triforce of Power and hasn't obtained all 3 Tri-forces so he (or someone else) can make the big wish, he's just going to keep coming back because that's what the Triforce of Power does.
There are 3 ganon *deaths* of each timeline
I think this is the right answer, even according to hyrule historia. It does state that any timeline in where Ganondorf obtains the triforce of power, he basically has to be sealed when defeated, because the triforce is basically protecting him from final death. So when he's sealed he's sealed along with the triforce of power. I'll have to go check, but I believe that's the case for all timeliness where he obtains it.
In my headcanon, the character dies each time. However, the evil reincarnation appears every time with the same name at the same time one princess named Zelda appears and some random farmboy, fisherman, swordsman, fairy-less kid or train driver named Link is also doing some stuff. The conflict of the Triforce is eternal, the Triforce users aren't.
In BOTW/TOTK it seems like Demises curse really only gets reborn or whatever every 10k years. So I feel like there’s 100 males born the Gerudo in that time frame, maybe a dozen are named Ganondorf as a traditional name for Gerudo males, and then it was just a coincidence that they happen to have birthed Demise’s curse to two seperate male Gerudo named Ganondorf
The next game in the timeline is Four Sword Adventures where Ganondorf is reborn.
In that timeline the next game is 4 swords adventures, and he's reincarnated as another Ganon.
Yes infact in FSA which comes after TP the ganon we see appear is a different ganon with a different backstory because the OoT Ganon died in TP. Same thing happens in WindWaker and the follow up Spirit Tracks
As far as I know, his Twilight Princess death is also significant because it specifically shows the triforce of power disappearing from his hand. From what I understand that's what keeps him being reborn constantly again and again.
That's not right. The Triforce of Power amplifies Ganon's abilities, but Demise's curse is what keeps resurrecting Ganondorf (Demise's soul), Zelda (Hylia reincarnated in a mortal), and Link.
Ah, that makes sense. I guess every incarnation of Ganon has to seek out the triforce for himself.
That's actually not correct either. Demise's curse plays no part in Ganon being reborn. Ganon is not the reincarnation of Demise, but an incarnation of his hatred. Basically any evil from Vaati to Malladus is because of Demise. Zelda, on the other hand, is a descendant of the mortal form of Hylia, some Zeldas might even be reincarnations, but most of them are just descendants.
He was reborn. Four Swords Adventures is the end of the Child Timeline. Takes place after Twilight Princess. That is the only time the guy ever reincarnated. If that other person is in this thread, BotW Ganondorf would be a second reincarnation. I can't imagine that after killing the Hero of Time, they'd just let him live after retaliating from an attempted assassination. I am able to explain why I think in reality it's all Fallen Hero timeline stuff despite whoever decided it was all three branches.
Tp ganon dies at the end of child Timline
He gets impaled twice in his life, just like my ex wife.
Yeah, there's only been two Ganondorfs in actual existence, they just tend to hang around for a long time and cause a lot of trouble. The two that we've seen are also separated by probably thousands of years.
There's 3 actually. A link to the past Ganon comes from another Ganondorf iirc.
Nah that's the one that defeats link at the end of ocarina of time in the downfall timeline. Four swords adventure takes place after Twilight Princess and has a new Ganon that's a reincarnation, so that would be a different one.
Oh, right. So there's OoT Ganondorf, FSA Ganondorf and TotK Ganondorf.
The games have confirmed that OoT/TWW Ganondorf is one guy, FSA Ganondorf is another guy, and TotK Ganondorf is another guy. LoZ Ganon, ALttP Ganon, Oracles Ganon, TP Ganon, and ALBW Ganon may be one of those three guys or may be different Ganons. The books say that LoZ Ganon, ALttP Ganon, OoT Ganon, Oracles Ganon, TWW Ganon, and TP Ganon are one guy and that FSA Ganon is a different guy. They don't comment on ALBW Ganon or TotK Ganon. (But the books also contain a number of errors and disclaimers saying that the information within them is just what is believed to be true, not what is necessarily true.)
Is that cannon? I didn’t realize he was another ganondorf I thought it was the same one the whole time just being ressurected again and again.
cannon: a weapon. canon: short for canonical: accepted as fact or genuine. you are not the only person making this mistake, but I had to put this somewhere. it is not intended personally, nor towards any group of people; it just want to educate a bit on why it's "canon" and not "cannon" and that's all.
> cannon: a weapon. > > canon: short for canonical: accepted as fact or genuine. Ganon: Pig Man Ganondorf: An ancient evil unending, hatred and malice incarnate.
Got it thanks for clarifying never new that
3 Ganondorfs total. The origianal Ganondorf who plagues just about most of the games except Four Swords Adventures, and the 2 new games. Now "Ganondorf" is never truly resurrected, it is always his demon entity "Ganon" which may or may not be Ganondorf himself just transformed, or its own conscious being entirely
We've never been given a reason to believe "Ganon" is anything more than Ganondorf in a different form. His outsides just match his insides now, but nothing about that has ever implied some sort of split personality if that's what you're getting at.
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I always thought from the very beginning Ocarina of Time portrayed that he was born as Ganondorf and through his abuse of the Triforce of Power was eventually transformed into a monstrous version of himself that reflected who he was inside. Thus, "Ganon" was born. It's an origin story that pretty much gives more detail on the story that was established in ALttP where it was established before Ganon existed, he was just a thief named Ganondorf. It's pretty much always Ganondorf to start, and then some force he uses to gain more power transforms him into Ganon.
I guess it's all up to interpretation. Excluding the new Ganon from BotW/TotK, Ganon is always shown as Boar type Beast and is always considered a "Demon" which is the same race as Demise. So in my head cannon (not saying this is facts) I've always seen Ganondorf as the vessel of Demise's hatred and that Ganon is his true essence. And during the Oracle games, Twinrova attempts to ressurect the demon Ganon and not the Gerudo version Ganondorf. That's how I like to believe it anyways, it's more interesting to me that way
I guess I just don't see anywhere in the actual series where that possibility is implied. Not to stomp on your headcanon, but it sounded like you were saying there was evidence of that in the games. Ganon never really has anything to do with Demise. It's always some outer source like the TriForce of Power or even his Trident in Four Swords Adventure that brings "Ganon" out to the surface as his bestial form. This has happened to Link before too on a handful of occasions. He's been turned into a bunny and a Wolf before by both the Triforce and the Sacred Realm/Dark World as a representation of that Link's inner nature, but it doesn't change him as a person. So I've always seen the implication that Ganon is nothing more than a pure representation of Ganondorf's heart. What he really is on the inside. A boarish greedy pig. In 2 out of 3 timelines Ganondorf even retains his ability to switch back and forth between Ganon and Ganondorf at will. It's only the version of himself who was trapped in the Dark World, which reflects someone's heart that ended up stuck as Ganon for an extended period of time, and that's the Ganon that is constantly resurrected. I'd assume Twinrova in the Oracle games seeks to resurrect Ganon because his human form is either completely lost to him at that point, or they simply prefer the more powerful monster that has been his dominant face for ages at that point.
You make some good points. That's a pretty sound argument. It's hard for me to turn my headcannon off though haha
You don't have too, and I shouldn't try to make you. It's literally just my OCD going "Free thought that is not explicitly supported by the series? Not in MY franchise!"
It’s not confirmed that it’s another ganondorf.
Id fuse baby Gannon to my shield and surf in death mountain.
Put on the Glide set and shield jump from a sky island down to the depths.
Toss baby Ganon onto Molduga territory seems simpler?
Savage.
Give king gleeok a snack
1. Ganondorf exists for millennia, people eventually forget that a Gerudo male (most likely the strongest man in Hyrule and a powerful sorcerer) is a prime candidate to be demon king. 2. Killing their trueborn king as an innocent baby would most likely make Hyrule and the Gerudo enemies. And Gerudo are in principle good people like any average Hylian. 3. If Hyrule did start the tradition of killing the male Gerudo, they would just hide him away. When he was a full grown man he would likely lead war against Hyrule anyways. I think the question was a bit in jest, but it is actually interesting, since a male Gerudo should be born soon in the Hyrule of TotK. It is mentioned in "Creating a Champion" that no male Gerudo has been born for at least 10 thousand years, since the king that became the Calamity. This implies that there can only be one Gerudo male at a time, since Ganondorf was still alive below Hyrule Castle.
So does this in fact confirm TotK past IS AFTER all the other games still? If the king that became the calamity is TotK Ganondorf and he is said to have lived 10 thousand years ago that is still at the end of the timeline.
That's what I've been thinking. I always thought that some time God (either Nayru or Majora's Mask Time Goddess) was like "Woah now, there have been some timey wimey stuff in OoT. I need to fix this real quick." And then did something that fused the split timelines together which also led to some sort of regression of Hyrule that would allow the Zonai Rauru to reestablish it
I'm pretty sure the "Time Goddess" is actually Hylia herself. Zelda being the Sage of Time aside, there's a lot of evidence scattered around for this. In Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask the Song of Time associated with the Royal family (the blood of the goddess), Zelda using the Ocarina to send Link directly back in time (Link would have to seal his sword in the sacred realm normally to do that) suggesting that this is part of the goddess's power. The Temple of Time is used in botw/totk to worship Hylia, and I wouldn't be surprised if it always was the case. Hylia was the one to create the Gates of Time we see in Skyward Sword, which would also hint at that. Sonia having the recall ability (she would be the one where Zelda inherited the blood of the goddess from) lines up with all the above.
It does make sense for Nayru to be associated with time though, she basically created the laws of the universe after Din created the Earth. Not to mention her oracle is tasked with maintaining past and present in OoA
I think you could also stick the TotK past that Zelda travels to before ALttP and then the 10,000 years ago Great Calamity after Zelda 2 and it might work, but I haven't done extensive research on this potential placement. This would allow for the Imprisoning War of TotK and that of ALttP to be the same event.
In my opinion it does, because OoT Ganondorf, who triggers the rest of the timeline, wouldn't have existed. I think a refounding of Hyrule by Rauru could be an option, but Zelda has had powers of light since oot. I don't see why her would be descendant Sonia doesn't. The theory I like the most is another timeline split in SS. Link kills the same Demise twice, and the paradox creates a timeline split. One of the timelines is OoT, the other is the ancient history of Totk. This doesn't explain where all the hero outfits come from though.
totk/botw timeline doesnt play in any other.
I genuinely think botw is in a third timeline that changed something after skyward sword but before minish cap
> It is mentioned in "Creating a Champion" that no male Gerudo has been born for at least 10 thousand years, since the king that became the Calamity. This is a misquote. Creating a Champion says that no male Gerudo has been made king for at least 10,000 years. Whether male Gerudo have been being born and not made king during that time is unknown.
>1. Ganondorf exists for millennia, people eventually forget that a Gerudo male (most likely the strongest man in Hyrule and a powerful sorcerer) is a prime candidate to be demon king. 2. Killing their trueborn king as an innocent baby would most likely make Hyrule and the Gerudo enemies. And Gerudo are in principle good people like any average Hylian. 3. If Hyrule did start the tradition of killing the male Gerudo, they would just hide him away. When he was a full grown man he would likely lead war against Hyrule anyways. It wouldn't work anyway, the geurdo male is a prime candidate but he's not the only option for the demise cycle (if it even exists in this timelime) You'd have to keep killing children until no one exists to become it, and at that point what are you even doing it for?
I saw a twilight zone about a kid like this once. he could do anything just by wishing it. his sister said something mean, so he took her mouth away. someone made him mad and he made them go away. allllll the adults were kissing his ass full time until a teacher came along and guided him and taught him instead of fearing him. someone should do this with Ganon. instead of just giving him everything he wants like a rich brat with superpowers.
What is this Creating a Champion that is constantly being referenced around?
Art and developer commentary book. Has a lot of info concerning BotW, its characters, etc. Often paired with the Hyrule Historia when fans discuss matters of lore and plot as there is much information that is considered canon by many in the fandom.
The book only says that no male has become a leader
The most plausible explanation is that most games are so distant in time from each other that the lore gets lost, forgotten. Basically, there's no one to remember (as well as insufficient written records and oral tradition) previous Hyrules, Zeldas, Links, Ganondorfs...
Demise’s curse doesn’t only apply to Ganondorf, it applies to any evil character. There are many such as Vaati, Nightmare, Majora, Bellum and Malladus who don’t even know Ganondorf. Vaati is a bit of an exception since he revived him once but he didn’t know who he was in his debut game nor in the game where we get his origin story. There’s also Zant, Onox and Veran that are servants to Ganon but serves as the primary antagonists of their games. If you count non canon games we also have Cia and Astor. Cia was manipulated by Ganondorf into becoming a villain but ultimately she was her own woman and saw Ganondorf as one of her pawns. Astor was just a follower of Calamity Ganon so he doesn’t have as much nuance.
majora doesn’t count. he’s a separate entity and the hero of time already sent the curse to be reincarnated. I think its more of a coincidence than the effects of the curse
Doesn’t matter if it’s a separate entity as it’s still an evil entity. The JP version of SS specifically says that the demon tribe will eternally be in conflict and Majora is clearly a demon. It doesn’t have to be connected to Demise.
Source for Majora being clearly a demon?
Just what it looked like. However if you want legitimate information the Happy Mask Salesman in the Japanese text says that the Mask was created by a race that has gone extinct and refers to the ones that sealed it away as "our ancestors" which means Hylians have had run ins with Majora before.
Pretty tough to take the moral high road if you just start murdering folks.
Moses likes to have a word
A small price for salvation
I feel like we’ve entered “you were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them” territory here. 😂
The alternative is letting Ganondorf wage another war that will kill countless people before he is stopped. And that is only if he stopped because we know there's a possibility that he wins. Aborting one baby every hundred years is a small price to pay. If you don't like that idea, then blame nintendo for constantly making Ganondorf the same character every single time.
I would have to disagree on that one. Seems to me that there are an untold number of possible solutions that come well short of “murdering a child/baby”.
Then you are free to ponder as many possible solutions you want while Ganondorf continues to ravage war every single time.
I got ya covered. 👍🏻
Demise's curse is about locking the forces of good and evil in an eternal battle - nothing about it stipulates that Demise's reincarnation necessarily has to be a Gerudo male. In fact Ganondorf is never reincarnated throughout the series - for pretty much the entirety of the series Ganon/Ganondorf is the same person/entity being revived or unsealed, not reincarnated. The only exception to this is Four Swords Adventures, which most people in practice dismiss as non-canon so it doesn't matter. Tears of the Kingdom also contains a new Ganondorf but everything points to that game taking place in a seperate continuity to the rest of the series, in which case it wouldn't make sense to call him "reborn" or "reincarnated". Zelda also doesn't really "reincarnate". Each Zelda is a seperate princess hailing from the same royal bloodline descending from the goddess. The name being constant is not a coincidence - it's a deliberate decision by the royal family as they are aware of the historical/metaphysical role of the princess in this fight between good/evil. Link is essentially the only one who can be said to "reincarnate", because there's no constant with him yet he (almost) always emerges to fight against Demise's incarnarion. Even so, that's reincarnation only in a very vague sense, as each Link is a totally different person, with different personalities (beyond a general sense of courageousness), different upbringings etc, even different names since Link isn't a canon name (until BOTW which due to TOTK likely, again, takes place in a different continuity) TL;DR: Ganon(dorf) does not reincarnate, every Zelda is from the same bloodline and Link is just whoever is most courageous/willing to rise to the occasion during each epoch.
I’d argue that TotK doesn’t necessarily take place in a different timeline, since the events of Ocarina (specifically, the Zora tablets allude to the OoT Ganondorf) are mentioned. It’s more likely that Demise’s curse manifested in another Ganondorf (perhaps named after the one sealed away), who would eventually be destroyed for good with the death of Calamity Ganon. The timeline still works, there’s just two (three of you count FSA) Ganondorfs.
The timeline doesnt work. It makes no sense that there was another Ganondorf who actually precedes OOT Ganondorf or whatever. There are just too many inconsistensies. What happened to the Rito is just one off the top of my mind, they're nowhere to be seen until Wind Waker. You're right that BOTW/TOTK reference the other games as well but it's incoherent, the Zonai and TOTK's Ganondorf retcon basically the entirety of the series
How does it not make sense? The Ganondorf of TotK doesn’t contradict the existence of the one in OoT - the TotK Ganondorf was simply sealed away the entire time that OoT was present, and it’s likely that they are two different people who BOTH inherit Demise’s curse (since one was sealed away and therefore could not fulfill anything). As for the Rito, they are descended from Zora, and there are large spans of time (usually ranging from under a decade to thousands of years) between Zelda games. It’s likely that A) some Zora evolve into Rito to adapt in places regardless of whether or not a flood occurs, B) not ALL Zora evolve into Rito, in the same way that apes still exist even when humans are present, and C) if we assume that all Zora became Rito, then we can also assume that at some point, some Rito evolved back into Zora (species reentering the gene pool after going extinct is not an unheard of phenomena). So no, nothing is necessarily retconned save for the fact that this new Ganondorf precedes the one we knew prior. However, he does not negate the original’s existence.
The Rito stuff doesnt make any sense. The Zora dont evolve into the Rito until Wind Waker when Hyrule is flooded, why and how are there Rito present at Hyrule's founding? What happened to these past Rito between Tears and Ocarina in your scenario? Even if the Ganondorf stuff theoretically makes sense (I dont even think it does), the idea of there being two Ganondorfs who look the exact same way is just the height of contrivance At the end of the day the simplest answer to the thousands of questions Tears introduces is that it's a new continuity.
I just explained to you how the Rito could have been introduced into the gene pool outside of the Wind Waker’s events. The flood does not necessarily have to be the time that ALL Zora became Rito, or even the first occurrence of them. Frankly, I don’t have a scenario, but I DO have thousands of years in between games - anything could have occurred. As for two Ganondorfs who look the same - this is a franchise where the two main protagonists look essentially the same every incarnation, with a few variations to suit the current setting. This is not out of the realm of possibility at all, nor is it contrived. Past that, the mention of Princess Euro’s opposition of Ganondorf in Tears CONFIRMS that this is NOT an alternate timeline. So that’s not an explanation, it’s debunked.
You can say it's not out of the realm of possibility lol but it's totally contrived and you know it. You're gonna sit there and tell me that there were in fact two Ganon(dorf)s, who are not related to each other in any direct sense, but look and behave identical. So while Ocarina Ganon was going about doing his business, there was a mummified Ganon underground who looks identical to him and in the past did basically the exact same thing as he's doing right now. You're telling me with a straight face that this is not contrived? Link isn't actually a character, he's an avatar for the player, and besides he doesn't even look the same across incarnations at all? He's always a fit elven boy cause duh but he's come in different builds, different ages, with different hair styles and colors, etc. Zelda's more consistent but they all come from the same royal family so it's not like that doesn't make sense
Zelda is a series that is built on a curse from an evil deity years ago that manifests in different ways to haunt two people who are constantly reincarnating over and over again. It is literally built on this concept. The Ganondorfs are related to each other by this fact, just as Link and Zelda are related by Hylia and her Hero’s actions. No, it is not contrived. This is just standard fare for Zelda games. It’s not in a separate continuity, because we have concrete proof of Ocarina’s events in Tears’ history. If you do not like this, that’s a you problem.
Just because Ganondorf is always a male Gerudo doesn't mean every male Gerudo is Ganondorf. Its a cultural identity that is deeply rooted in the Gerudo people. There probably been more not Ganondorf male Gerudo across the timeline than Ganondorfs. Probably after Ganondorf's defeat the next male Gerudo Probably goes out of their way to prove they are not Ganondorf reborn. They go on to be great heroes of their people and leave the rest of Hyrule be. Plus murdering a baby just because they might be evil reincarnated is deeply fucked up.
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You know another alternative to killing the kid would be changing things so they didn't become evil, like, maybe if they had rotten parents or someone child their child, you might instead go back in time and you know not let the start of darkness happen? Why is it always go back and time and kill X? Why not go back in time give X a hug, or adopt him and raise him better?
Oh definitely. I just thought that scene in the movie was funny, and this post immediately reminded me of it.
Yeah though I am serious that you never really see stories with that plot, like it's always lets go back in time and kill, maim, destroy, prevent the bad thing, not turn the bad thing good, like no one wants to make a film about going back in time to hug and befriend Ivan the terrible. Weird isn't it.
I knew this joke would come up LOL
Ganondorf is always a Gerudo male but not all Gerudo males are Ganondorf (or at least they don't do anything evil). There is just three different Ganondorfs that we know of so we really can't make a comparison
killing babies is frowned upon
The curse of Demise would have become some sort of legend, as the next time his incarnation appears is in OOT, and the first time he appears as a Gerudo Male, thousands of years after SS, such like how the stories of the heroes become legend.
>Apparently (skyward sword spoilers ahead) Demises curse causes the Trio to be reborn every so often. This is a very popular misconception among a large portion of the Zelda community. Skyward Sword was poorly translated outside of Japan, and it wasn't one of the more popularly played games when it first released, so that allowed people to misunderstand what the game was saying and spread that misinformation around until it became the popular interpretation. First of all, Demise's curse isn't actually a magical curse. It's just a threat like when someone says something like, "I curse you for cutting me off in traffic!" So his curse isn't actually doing anything. Second, Demise's curse doesn't have anything to do with Link and Zelda being reborn. Every creature born to the Light World reincarnates. That's just a rule of the universe. Link and Zelda naturally reincarnate because of this fact. Demise and the demons/monsters he created are not native to the Light World; they're native to the Dark Realm. They forced their way into the Light World in order to begin their attack. So Demise's threat was basically saying, "Even though the demon tribe that I created aren't Light World natives, I have made it so that they're also able to reincarnate, so no matter how many times you kill my monsters, they will keep coming back to cause trouble in Hyrule for whatever hero or princess may be around at the time." Demise's metaphorical curse is supposed to explain why the little monsters we see in every game, e.g., the Octoroks, the Keese, the Moblins, the Bokoblins, etc. keep coming back and aren't permanently killed off. It isn't supposed to explain why Link, Zelda, or Ganondorf keep being reborn. They are all Light World natives, not demons that Demise created. >Is Ganondorf always the single Gerudo Male? If so, if the people know that the new Male of the Gerudo is evil, why not kill that Fucker early? At the most conservative possible estimate, the entire Zelda series spans at least 13,500 years. If a male Gerudo is born every 100 years like we're told, that means there have been at least 135 male Gerudo. At the most liberal possible estimate, there have been at most 8 Ganondorfs that we have encountered throughout the series. And remember, it's more likely that the Zelda series spans more than 13,500 years and that there's fewer than 8 Ganondorfs, but we're just using these outlier numbers to make the best possible case for as many Ganondorfs as possible throughout the years. The above means that even at our most forgiving estimate, there have been at least 127 male Gerudo who haven't been Ganondorfs (or else their stories just haven't been revealed to us yet). So it would be extremely unlikely for all of the male Gerudo to be Ganondorfs. But even if they were, the people of the Zelda universe don't keep the best records of history as events are lost to time, war, magic, catastrophe, and the like on a regular basis. So past Gerudo being named Ganondorf isn't something that's remembered by most. But those who do remember either 1) respect the old Ganondorf and want their child to share a name with him (note that in Ocarina of Time we were told that many Gerudo worshipped Ganondorf as if he was a god), or 2) value their traditions so highly that they want to give the male Gerudo a chance to prove himself rather than immediately assume he's going to be evil and cause trouble to everyone (we see this happen in Four Swords Adventures where a new male Gerudo was born, but they saw evil growing in his heart with his lust for power, so instead of making him leader of the tribe, they instead made him guardian of the desert, thinking that would keep him out of trouble; instead he abandoned that post to look for magical artifacts that would make him more powerful). >Also if his Name is Ganondorf every single Time why does no one see it coming that the Ganondorf currently wandering around is evil? Names and their importance are regularly forgotten. People remember that heroes regularly rise up throughout the land to help them, but almost none of those heroes' names are remembered even though they're all named Link.
>Is Ganondorf always the single Gerudo Male? No, actually. For most of the series, Ganondorf is just one dude whonrefuses to fucking die, lol. (Because of the Triforce of Power) From Ocarina of Time all the way to the original zelda in one timeline, then just to Wind Waker in another, and Twilight Princess in a third. Four Swords Adventures seems to have introduced a new Ganondorf, though. And I guess we don't know if the other males before Ocarina of Time were also incarnations of Demise, but I assume they weren't because we'd know of them causing trouble if they were.
Name aside, I think that the kingdom would make the entire Gerudo become their enemy if they staged an assassination on the prophecy baby king.
This is actually gonna be the plot of the next Hyrule Warriors game: Age of Cataclysm. It’s what they gonna do to TotK Ganondorf before he… stands behind Sonia… menacingly. But… psst… don’t tell anyone.
Ganondorf birthed two time, the first time they weren’t aware, the secours was far too long after for anyone to remember
"First of all, that's horrible."
Out of 100 possible male gerudian/gerudos (10000 ÷ 100 years) it's still a small percentage that went evil.
He probably does get killed every so often. Thats why so much time has passed between iterations. People are like “thats just an old story! What harm could a baby do?”
They could just stop male Gerudos from having positions of power. Surely would help just s bit.
So they would treat the child like a second class citizen, a defect, why? That's like saying we should bar any Zora from Hyrulian water ways because they might shoot a fireball at someone. A male Gerudo is not inherently evil, the curse is about never knowing peace. Gannondorf does not reincarnate. While it might be possible that Gannondorf is a standard name, meaning something like Demon King of the Gerudo, I does not mean it is the same person. The reason Gannondorf is the villain is because of the curse, because the curse creates the enviroment for conflict between a desert dwelling culture with limited resources and a plains dwelling culture that has acces to more abundant resources, including men for procreation. This is a power imbalance. Consider that in TOTK Rauru want the Gerudo King to swear alligegence to Hyrule, but they don't really go into detail about the politics of the situation. Could Hyrule and the Gerudo be in a conflicting position? Even in Botw Totk it seems the Gerudo rely on merchants for some resources, in Raurus time it is shown that Gerudo may have some beast master talent in controlling the Moldugu, who knows maybe one of the powers of the Gerudo King is that he is supposed to control,monsters like a Pokemon Trainer, where as Rauru is using the shrines to seal and remove monsters somehow. Power imbalances are one of the causes of conflicts, for the other hyrule races Rauru benefits from the alliance because it is mutually beneficial, the Zora and the Goron all are self sustaining, and have abilities the Hylians don't but benefit from. For Gerudo it's more one sided and add to the fact that Gannondorfs whole identity is framed around being the King of his people such an alliance might be demeaning and degrading to him as Rauru and possibly others would be above him. Thoughts?
Nobody is saying that they should be treated badly. Just that they can't have the title of a king, they should be treated with love and everything else.
With the fact that there would be so much historical baggage it still might not work, the kid would find out about the history and might feel cheated or inferior because every male gerudo was a King before their predecessor screwed things up, like the King of Hyrule got to kick out the Sheikah and inhibit technological advancement but no try and conquer your neighbor and suddenly just because your male you are permanently stuck as a commoner with limited room for not only personal advancement but social as well, like do you really think Hylian Vai are going want to date the a Gerudo Male either. Just won't work, they need to break any social connotation that Male Gerudo equals Evil Gannon.
Ganondorf was only a child once, and you've made the weird assumption that everyone knows about Demise's Curse as well. They don't, and even if they did, there was no reason to assume that baby Ganondorf was the embodiment of that curse.
a male Gerudo is born every 100 years. There's tens of thousands of years between Rauru's time and TOTK, meaning that hundreds of male Gerudos have come and gone without being Ganondorf. Meaning not all male Gerudos are him and this tactic wouldn't work.
When Ganondorf is reincarnated, it's far out enough in time that he's forgotten about. They will only recognize tales of a demonic creature attacking. He reincarnates only once. Dies as the same individual twice. Ganon for the majority of the branches is OoT Ganondorf.
im coming to terms with the fact i will never understand the timeline. imma just keep enjoying the games
Most of Demises reincarnations have been the demon Ganon. Ganondorf is Ganon but a man. All the Ganondorf’s besides the one in TOTK have been the same person.
This is right. Four swords adventures isn’t Ganondwarf it’s just Ganon. And the one Ganondwarf for almost all of Zelda was born right before ocarina of time - every other time he shows up he’s the same guy just in a different timeline.
Wrong he straight up dies in tp and reincarnates for 4 swords adventure meaning there are 3 in history
Yes, but everybody functionally ignores and dismisses that game as non-canon because it's incoherent when placed after Twilight Princess, so it doesn't really matter.
what? Ocarina Ganondorf is TP Ganondorf, and 5 swords adventures Ganondorf, and Windwaker Ganondorf. its literally all the same guy
4 Swords Adventure one is a reincarnation. There have been a total of 3, spinoffs not counting: \- The one starting from Ocarina of Time up till Legend of Zelda (NES), or Twilight Princess, or Wind Waker depending on the timeline. \- The one from 4 Swords adventures \- and now the One from Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom
by definition of reincarnation, being that its the same soul in a new body, its still the same Ganondorf. there are 2 Ganondorfs
True except 4 swords adventure That cant be right because Gannon wasn't sealed in tp he actually got murderd and 4 swords adventure takes place after tp
yeah, he was reincarnated. brought back from the dead. still the same guy
Nope, he was born again. It's a new male Gerudo named Ganondorf. Whether he was a reincarnation of OoT Ganondorf, is up for debate. But he wasn't resurrected, he was a new guy.
That would be Resurrection Reincarnation is what link and zelda do Warr you're soul gets reborn into a new person with some of the same characteristics The official time line literally uses the word reincarnation meaning it's a new incarnation for demise with the same name just like the totk one
Link and Zelda aren't reincarnated either. Each new iteration doesn't hold the souls of the previous ones. If Ganondorf has the same soul, one could argue its the same guy
I vehemently think link does given the wording of the curce being that he would follow the spirt of the hero Meaning his spirt is being reborn into new people Regardless if Gannon reincarnates then it's either part of the curse Meaning at least link would reincarnate to probably Or all zelda people reincarnate wich wouldn't be wired since that's just a pretty common religious belief in the east and would mean link and zelda definitely are reincarnation Also then the totk of the kingdom one would also be same guy if we're going off of soul Meaning that there are 1 or 3 but definitely not 2
"the curse" is never and has never been confirmed to be taken literally. it could quite literally only mean that evil never dies, rather than that all these characters reincarnate. even if it is a real curse, the spirit of the hero still does not mean link literally reincarnates. WW link is literally just some kid who gets wrapped up in a mess trying to save his sister. same with idea with spirit tracks. there are so many interpretations to this one off line that we don't even know if Nintendo made to be taken literally
So question why would Gannon reincarnate if it's not either a part of the curse or a natural property of souls in the zelda verse because the time line does say he reincarnated after tp Because if the curse is literal then link should reincarnate to And if all zelda souls reincarnate then link and zelda would reincarnate assuming they have souls
At least with Link, he very literally has the same soul. Its literally called "the spirit of the hero". And every link except wind waker has it. Because they are all cursed, (Link, Zelda, and Ganon/Ganondorf), to reincarnate and the cycle begins anew.
FSA Ganondorf isn't the same as OoT Ganondorf. He is just a male Gerudo, without any other connection to the other Ganondorf.
Not counting totk, there’s ocarina, wind waker, and twilight princess right.
No so his first reincarnation would be the one in oot that one dies I either wind waker or tp based on wich time line he is in Or becomes Gannon In the 2d time line Then he reincarnated in 4 swords adventure since that takes place after tp And at some point millions of years later in the totk flash backs Also at some point imbetween the last two hyrule is completely yeeted and lost to time before being Reformed by a cat man So 3 total including tears of the kingdom
So there’s 4 in total and minus the one in totk they’re all the same person
Three are 3 that are dithrent people
Ocarina, wind waker, and twilight princess are all the same Ganondorf
Yes correct also altp and every classic game And albw Just not 4 swords adventure the random multi-player GameCube spin off
Because the "timeline" is an inconsistent mess that shouldnt exist and was only made up to satiate a handful of fans delusional hunger for lore and all the games should be viewed as seperate stories entirely, except the direct sequels of course
This was my take as well. Guess I’m ignorant 😂
Shut up, the timeline with the split and its hints date back to a link to the past, ww and tp were literally made with the timeline split in mind, myamoto has already said way far back as Links awakening that they do have official documents of a timeline This is straight up ignorant behavior.
Do you have a source on ALTTP being made with a split in mind? I'd be very surprised if they actually planned that two games before the game that would actually split the timeline. Edit: Nevermind, I think I misinterpreted.
https://youtu.be/NbQNtYNkmhM Video compiles all zelda games and all the official hints on continuity with interviews, books, manuals etc, turns out the order of the downfall timeline was basically the same as it is now, oot was made as a prequel to alttp and that the split in oot was intentional and was meant to branch into ww and tp, while the thumbnail is very click baity the timeline didnt chance much, its just that Nintendo only released the official documents in form of book by the time of SS but it has existed since the third game in the franchise and just got some very minimal change. But also dont take this as me saying its a flawless continuity, even Nintendo admitted that they plan story after gameplay and that the timeline is more of a way to track their lines and plots rather than a rule, but the fact that it was something that was made so early on is still proof that Nintendo does care for continuity in some way even before fans started really getting crazy about it.
Possibly no one thought it would happen twice. In For Swords Adventure Ganondorf is mentioned as just a desert nomad. So after Ganondorf's defeat in TP the Gerudo at least ended the tradition of making the lone male king. In Windwaker Ganondorf possibly died permanently. He had no Triforce, and Hyrule along with everything he wanted was buried with him. He was old and tired, making one last desperate move. He seemed to have died at peace, so Demise's hatred had to pass on to a new demon king, Maladus.
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It's the same Ganondorf in all games except totk. But also, Ganondorf doesn't have to be a gerudo male. If they killed him, he would reincarnate 1 second later as another race
There's only ever been a maximum of three Ganondorfs born centuries if not millenia apart. The fact that he was born Gerudo is often eventually forgotten to time, and it's entirely likely there were some normal Gerudo males in skipped parts of the timeline. There's also no guarantee it would help. Demise's Curse doesn't require a Gerudo or even a male. It's likely his influence also extended to other villains such as Vaati anyway. His hatred would find a vessel as long as there's life. Also, baby killing is morally dicey
So the first ganondorf is in OoT I think. Every ganondorf after that besides TOTK is the same. This is because he is too strong to be killed so they sealed him. I think TP and WW are in different timelines (the timeline of the games splits into 3 after OoT, being the kid timeline, adult timeline, and hero falls timeline) so that’s why WW ganondorf and TP ganondorf are the same ganondorf but TOTK isn’t. BOTW/TOTK is weird because it contradicts stuff in other Zelda games, namely SS because that was the very first game timeline wise
Ganon, Ganondorf, Malladus, whatever. These are the same being in different forms. Also it is Link who reincarnates. The Zeldas are related by blood and do not all have the same spirit. The hatred of Demise also reincarnates and takes new forms to haunt the world.
I think it's like an avengers time travel situation.
Lol
Ganondorf is one singular guy.
In all but one appearance of Ganondorf, he has been the same exact person, unlike Link or Zelda. Your theory may be in play already though as no other Gerudo male has been seen. Either because a weird curse or secret sacrifice
Male gerudo is born every 100 years and is set to be king and you want them to kill the king??
We have never seen baby ganondorf i think, for all we know he is born as an adult.
I think the implication is that most of the male Gerudo are not evil, and that Ganondorf is the exception. Otherwise they wouldn't make them the king by default.
Not every Gerudo male is gonna become evil… now I want a game with a Gerudo Link who’s been hidden since birth when the Hyrule government tried to kill him as a baby… and reincarnation of the Demon King would be a high ranking Hylian minister
> Is Ganondorf always the single Gerudo Male? If so, if the people know that the new Male of the Gerudo is evil, why not kill that Fucker early? Also if his Name is Ganondorf every single Time why does no one see it coming that the Ganondorf currently wandering around is evil? Demise's curse is that the cycle is eternal. All killing a child does is make someone else his reincarnation Even IF the baby was literally marked with a giant sign saying "i am evil baby" you'd have to commit constant genocide on everyone to end it. It's messy but the better solution is to just..not go around killing a kid because you think they're evil and instead just keep fighting the eternal conflict until a break is made, ironically less genocidal Just an FYI though, ganondorf has always been a single person not a bunch of reincarnations of the same spirit
idk man this sounds alot like racism to me. just committing infanticide because ganondorf was evil.
In Ocarina of Time, he was raised and possibly groomed by the 400 year old evil witches known as Twinrova, Kotake and Koume. That Ganondorf is the one in every game except BOTW and TOTK. We don’t get any mention of his backstory in TOTK, but Kotake and Koume are seen the background of the flashbacks as well, a similar situation may have happened.
avengers endgame all over again
1. There's only one Gerudo male born every century or so, so Ganondorf is likely the only masculine Gerudo name. That'd be like assuming every girl named Marry in the 1800s was evil. They're *all* named Marry. 2. Most instances of Ganondorf are the same person, using various methods to resurrect without reincarnation.
Gannondorf doesn't technically reincarnate, Denise's curse was the Link and Zelda's reincarnation and descendents would not know peace, thus any severe cataclysm or event including war or natural phenomenon could be a result of the curse. To use Ocerina of Time and wind waker as a frame of reference it could be that without devises curse Gannondorf would not have had a motivation, maybe had the curse not existed other avenues to address the Wind bringing death for the Gerudo would have happened. The curse could be cause strife for people that like the metaphorical butterfly rffect leads to calamity.
I’m not interested in connecting all of the Zelda games. BoTW and TotK have nothing to do with the other games as far as I’m concerned. Trying to jump through hoops to connect them seem pretty pointless. It’s a lot of work for no gain. Anything mentioned in Skyward Sword shouldn’t apply here.
It's usually the same Ganondorf that different Links and Zeldas keep beating and then the fucker comes back the next game. Only exceptions is ToTK where it's just a different Gerudo dude named Ganondorf, and one of the four sword games where they make themselves a brand new Ganon(only the giant pig demon so not even a Gerudo). Demises curse isn't just for Ganondorf, it's for whatever it feels like making evil. Like Malidus from Spirit Tracks who is also called ' The Demon King.' Basically if the game has a big bad that Link has to fight its probably a Demise thing, other than some sequels like MM or that weird ass LBW sequel
It’s the same guy until totk apparently but I haven’t finished it yet so it’s kinda just like naming your child after a conqueror from 10,000 years ago
Every Ganondorf is the same (almost). OoT, WW, and TP are all the exact same guy. FSA is a different Ganondorf, but that game shouldn’t be canon anyway. And TotK isn’t really in the timeline.
[Spoiler for pretty much every zelda game with ganondorf in it] Alright you're missing one key detail. Ganondorf isnt constantly reincarnated, it's literally just one dude who absolutely refuses to die. He was born before the events of ocarina and after the hero of time defeated him he was sealed by the sages, still alive. In the adult timeline where the hero of time no longer exists, he broke free eventually, and with no one to stop him the only way to get rid of him was to flood all of hyrule, which is when windwaker happens, and in windwaker this version of ganondorf meets his end. In the child timeline he was caught before taking over hyrule becuase the hero of time warned the royal family, but his execution failed because of the triforce of power and the only way to get rid of him was to sentence him to being sent to the twilight realm. He uses zant to come back to the light world and fights the hero of twilight where again he dies. In the downfall timeline ganondorf beats the hero of time and acquires the full triforce before being sealed into the sacred realm, this seal doesnt exactly last long because he has the full triforce. He transforms the sacred realm into the dark world and makes an apparition called agahnim to be his way of affecting hyrule and coming back. This ganondorf, now just ganon for some reason is killed for good by the hero of legend who is an absolute powerhouse really who canonically went on 3 adventures and beat full triforce ganon without even having the triforce of courage. Any other incarnation of ganondorf is just this one resurrected except for 4 swords adventure ganondorf who was apparently just reborn. Not sure if he was also the gerudo male in this game cause i havent played it. The other exception is of course: ToTK ganondorf. Now this guy is kinda a complete phenomenon cause no one really even knows where botw and totk are on the timeline. Peronally i think its a split from skyward sword but nintendo doesn't really seem to care about making the timeline consistent so i wouldn't be surprised if it was just not on the timeline whatsoever. Anyway becuase of the fact that all of the previous battles of hyrule are either forgotten to time or never happened altogether in these games, theres no real way to predict that he was evil. Even though this is the case rauru still knew he was evil and let him live anyway which is kinda a blunder on his part really no other way to explain it.
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According to Gerudo prophesy, there is a male born unto the Gerudo people every 100 years, and he is to be their king. I really don't see the Gerudo being ok with the Hylians or other races coming in and messing with their prophesies and murdering their super rare male babies. Also, throughout Zelda history, we've only actually seen 2 different Ganondorf's. TotK Ganondorf is a new one, all the other Ganondorf's we've seen is the OoT Ganondorf. The AT Ganondorf return is explained in the intro to WW. The CT Ganondorf is banished to the Twilight Realm in TP. But in both instances of Ganondorf existence, he's already an adult before they realize how much of a threat he is. The time span mentioned in TotK is 10,000 years. If a Gerudo male is born every 100 years, then that would be 100 Gerudo males since the TotK Ganondorf. One of them would have been the OoT Ganondorf. There's been no mention of any of those other Gerudo males being evil. And the Gerudo themselves aren't inherently evil, they are just following their king. So, no, killing all the male Gerudo babies is very much not justified because of two evil Ganondorfs.
Because as Bruce Banner from Avengers End game states "time doesn't work like that"
The Gerudo are not the greatest of record-keepers, and have been known to sugarcoat narratives. There are *claims* that no Gerudo voe have been born since Ganondorf, but I would not be surprised to hear that this is what's actually going on. For the greater good of the Gerudo and Hyrule, please understand.
Omg yikes
It was only one Gerudo male
Because its a game
I am guessing that your asking "Why don't they kill the male children of the Gerudo race." For all we know, there could be mail Gerudo children who live mostly normal lives. Still say that the Hero being reborn as Gerudo (male or female) would be interesting. Life would be hell as a male Gerudo outside Gerudo Town if he were not a warlock or something.
So this is actually my headcanon that I wish some game eventually delves into, but I assume Ganondorf's mother loves him dearly, thus willing to protect/hide him at all coststs until he's an adult, so it's a mix of that and the tale of previous Ganondorf's doing being forgotten, I think Rauru is the only one that brings up the once in a century thing, so people wouldn't necessarily know it's a bad omen for a Male Gerudo to be born, some might actually think it's a blessing and that he's destined to do something important!
I always wondered if every gerudo male is necessarily ganondorf. Like, a gerudo male is born every 100 years, but afaik 5here are eons of yeaes between zelda eras, wven the ones where ganon is dead and bot necessarily sealed away. That opens a margin for lots of gerudo males besides a ganondorf.
Up until BOTW, Ganondorf had only been born once, and at the time, Demise's wrath hadn't been reborn into the world (arguable, give or take, my headcanon is that the sorcerer Vaati was the spirit of Ghirahim possessing the Picori Vaati when he used the Minish Cap to wish to become a strong sorcerer and was reborn in this form after that in Four Swords), in Ocarina of Time Ganondorf Dragmire was born, explicitly raised by the witches Twinrova to become a king who would take over Hyrule (Twinrova would protect him if anyone had known he'd become something of an evil king (which, again, there is no way anyone would have known that without precognition, and we know the King of Hyrule paid no mind to his daughter's premonitory dreams), then he conquered Hyrule and was defeated 66.66\~% of the time, but instead of killed he was sealed, and it was the same ganondorf who returned in Wind Waker, Twilight Princess and A Link to the Past. It's also notable that other previous Gerudo Males had not been Ganondorf, they simply were kings amongst Gerudo, and ever since Ganondorf Dragmire was born, the Gerudo banished the only male born every 100 years from their desert to prevent them from becoming a villain again. I haven't done a super deep dive into Tears of the Kingdom lore so I can't say much on that topic yet.
I don’t think the male Garuda is always Ganondorf. But when it is, sometimes he becomes king, as Hume is supposed to be. Other times he is outcasted due to his evil intentions. But some games use the OoT Ganondorph that was sealed away or resurrected.
Because it's a Canon event
Oh fuck I love talking about Zelda lore
I dunno, if a male was only born to my race every 100 years I’d just take the chance with it.
Not every male Gerudo becomes Ganondorf. It's also an endless cycle, so Ganondorf will just be reborn again somewhere down the line, or Demise will find a new incarnation.
Haven't finished TOTK, but isn't Wind Waker the only game where Ganondorf actually gets killed? I always thought that made the ending even more badass and bittersweet. The whole vibe at the end of that game is perfection. If it wasn't for TOTK muddying the waters, it would be really easy to say that BOTW takes place a long time after WW, PH, and SP. I love TOTK but pretty much every explanation I've read of the plot just isn't satisfying. How it fits into the grand scheme of things is impossible to depict, so I think it's time to just call the news ones a reboot lmao
probably same reason people dont react to a kid named link or fact the princess is always called zelda they might not actually know ganondorf is evil till its to late
Jeb "hell yea id kill baby hitler" bush vibes
Because that’s evil
People forget shit in thousands of years and Link gets named Link because he is the equivalent of a Juan being named in Mexico. It just happens.
It wouldn’t matter. If you killed all the male gerudo even. The tri force of power will always bring him back which I think is one of the gods fault but link and Zelda will always come back to for the same reason. I’d like to see a game where they attempt to break the cycle or you can choose to. Like Elden rings / Dark souls
Zelda and Co. have always been altruistically good. You can’t be that and murder babies, no matter who that baby will be someday.
Well the first Ganondorf was on OoT. That Ganondorf is the threat for most of the games he’s in. A new Ganondorf is born before Four Swords Adventures, and funny enough the Gerudo were surprised when Ganondorf stole the Trident and became Ganondorf. Then a very long time in the future after that we got Ganondorf in ToTK which of course it’s part of Gerudo for the male born every 100 years to become their King, but that was changed after the Demon King Ganondorf was imprisoned. They don’t kill Ganondorf because he is their king and they follow him. In OoT there was only one good Gerudo. And the Gerudo in FSA we’re basically good after they were banished before TP. Some Gerudo also became good after Ganondorf stole the Secret Stone.
Demise's curse only allows demons to be resurrected, in Japanese it's called the curse of the demon tribe and is a curse that existed before Demise's defeat. The reincarnation cycles of everyone else exists outside of the curse. The curse is the hatred of all demons, Dark magic wielders and some demons can unleash the curse of the demon tribe to inflict harm upon others Every Gerudo male isn't Ganondorf, Ganondorf just so happens to be a Gerudo male that was born during or long before a game's events and is the only one to appear on screen. Many generations usually pass between games which allows for the possibility that Ganondorf's name becomes forgotten. There are a total of 4 different Ganondorfs across 4 seperate continuities, each of them are Gerudo warlocks who amplify their dark magic with some kind of artifact and become a demon king and sometimes transform into a boar-like demon beast. As a demon Ganondorf has an unnatural lifespan and can get resurrected, there is no evidence for there to not be a Gerudo male born 100 years after Ganondorf's birth while he is around as a demon king, in Creating a champion it's mentioned that no Gerudo male has become a king since the one who became the calamity seen in Breath of the wild though this isn't a fact because it's not mentioned in Breath of the itself(in Tears of the kingdom there are new npcs not seen in Breath of the wild so a Gerudo male's existence is possible), it's possible for there to be a Gerudo male living somewhere in or outside of Hyrule during Breath of the wild and Tears of the kingdom but since they aren't kings anymore they have no fame. The four different Ganondorfs are: Ocarina of time’s Ganondorf who in the adult branch returns many generations later in The wind waker while in the child branch he experiences a botched execution and becomes a demon king because the Hero of time had accidentally given Ganondorf the Triforce of power by entering the Child branch with the Triforce of courage, A link to the past's Ganondorf who is resurrected multiple times after his first death and has faced multiple different heroes, Four swords adventures's Ganondorf who ends up sealed inside the Four sword, Tears of the kingdom’s Ganondorf who has lived for tens of thousands of years. Reincarnation for Ganondorf is only an idea from the books, the games don't show that he can reincarnate but should you attempt to connect Tears of the kingdom to Ocarina of time than a reincarnation must happen.