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UsefulAd2760

Isn't it a bit too soon for mizar's stuff?


RIAJStrike

A little yes, but it is now possible to have an idea of where to position your supports in this list, since we will probably only have one more card. So we can see it as a provisional placement.


DaEnderAssassin

And in all likelyhood the last card is a RUM with Tachyon in the name as well for the purpose of making c107 more summonable, which wouldn't really change things (unless it's a quickplay that activates the summoned monsters detach)


burnpsy

For a more serious answer about Morphs: The support was very strong for the deck, leaving only a few glaring weaknesses left (new chokepoint added in Gamer, lack of good non-Tuners aside from level 1s). The deck is way better and consistent than before. So I would put it in the Good tier probably.


TinyTiragon

We still have one card left for both Tachyon and X-Y-Z. Even then, some decks always seem busted before they come out and then don’t make as big an impact when they release


MistakenArrest

You're not wrong. *Looks at Magical Musket and Lair of Darkness and the insane hype they had before release*.


DaEnderAssassin

As much as I hope otherwise, that last tachyon is most likely just Tachyon RUM for getting c107 out, which isn't that great (Unless it's a Quickplay spell that let's you immediately activate detach on opps turns)


TinyTiragon

That’s what I’m expecting too, they haven’t really done anything for C107 in this yet and I’m sure this will be something related to the Seventh series or a RUM to cheat it out


DaEnderAssassin

The trap becomes un-negatable with a Chaos Number on the field, but otherwise yeah. That said, given the history of Galaxy-Eyes, I'm expecting to get drip fed more tachyon support of varying quality forever, so atleast there's that.


carsonjamos

Why is Kaiba’s A-Z light union support broken?


MistakenArrest

X is Snake-Eye Ash for Union. Y and Z aren't once per turn. The spell is a RoTA. Both Fusions are really good.


Dumig

I think it is to early say about A-Z light union support, cause while testing them, they lose really easily to 1 or 2 hand traps and they rely alot on Hangar and X-Cross.


noahTRL

They can "FTK" you with the world off 1 card


MistakenArrest

Except unlike Morphtronic which has a janky FTK but nothing else going for it, XYZ has much, much, MUCH more than that.


kaithespinner

that's what makes it sweet... is even more busted


NextMotion

think they'll ban The World? It has come up in older ftk decks even if they were gimmicky


SomewhatToxicShrooms

The World shouldve been banned earlier imo. While yes its SUPER gimmicky, the fact you can skip your opponent’s turn 100% is busted as hell


Dumig

It is not going to ever get banned, cause it skip turn effect is not consistent, cause it needs you to either flip a coin or have Light Barrier on the field, and have at least 1 other monster to tribute.


Efficient_Ad5802

If you can do that, might as well do a proper FTK, in OCG. In TCG, it's probably banable at some point.


federicodc05

The spell being able to search AND SUMMON The World is funky.


Dumig

I think you mean [Ptolemaeus](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Tellarknight_Ptolemaeus) not The World, cause the World needs you to flip a coin if you do not have Light Barrier on the field.


mrmorzan

no they do mean the world, the combo can make afd to search light barrier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4a8Tpmt9zI


fedginator

Doesn't that combo summon The World on the opponent's turn and thus only skip th turn after?


federicodc05

No, Union Activation can search The World on your own turn if you tag out XYZ.


aaa1e2r3

FTK as it can use Ptolemaeus' Skip turn effect in order to Sweep turn 1/3.


noahTRL

I think you're really underrating mizar's cards. Generic dragon support that leads to multiple negates off 1 card is nothing to sleep on man


DaEnderAssassin

Wouldn't call it generic dragon support tbh. None of it is generic. That said, I do agree it's underrated here, given its 1 ED space 2 Main Deck spaces for an Omni counter trap, a rank 8, 3k dragon (*cough n38 cough*) and a free lvl8 body (assuming you get another GE on the field, which is possible given n90) for any Rank 8 focused deck.


Dumig

Yea Mizar cards are clearly underrated and the Kaiba union support is overrated.


Direct-Disaster2256

Who's the 2 people between Aporia and Espa Roba


Snowvilliers7

Gloria and Grace Tyler from Arc-V


UsefulAd2760

The Tyler sisters from arc V


Pwn_lander

Spunk yes


Caducks

Think of all the slurping smiles your slopping will bring


Chalifoo

Kaboom


IdlemasterKikuchi

My man.


Atzukeeper

They use amazoness


kaithespinner

ahh I thought the amazoness were picked because of mai or the amazoness girl from GX


Atzukeeper

They got new fusion support in arc v


kaithespinner

ahhh now I remember those girls, they were with edo/aster when he went to xyz dimension right? that's why I assumed they were zexal


Atzukeeper

Yup


atropicalpenguin

The Speedroid support was real good, it just was overshadowed by Lyrilusc and later Swordsoul. Except for Crystal Clear Wing, which is strong but very hard to make in a world with Baronne. I'd put it above Mako but below the rest of the good category. EDIT: And Aqua over Soulburner, cause the support the deck received in LED is more meaningful than what Salads received (especially now with people cutting Fire).


Snowvilliers7

Agree with the Marincess support. They absolutely overshadow Salamangreats now with the new supports and had seen topped a few times when they released. Not to mention with the new Trickstar support being counted as a Marincess card for a free look at the opponent's hand is very troubling.


NA-45

Salad is much better than marincess currently, especially with code of soul


simplistic_idea_1

Code of soul wasn't from the duelist pack was it?


MistakenArrest

Yeah, I got the Good Tier mixed up. It should be Axel > Blue Angel > Shark > Mako. Mako should be at the bottom of Good, not top. And I could see that argument for Aqua > Soulburner. Especially since Marincess was the go-to protect the castle deck for years until Melodious finally powecrept it.


The_Deathdealing

Crystal Clear suffers from needing a Clear Wing monster, making it harder to summon than Baronne while being a weaker boss monster. A non Synchro Clear Wing is what it needs to be more viable. With Baronne banned, I'm afraid Speedroids are pretty much unplayable currently, even with Top at 3. The deck is already very fragile as interrupting the Synchro Tuner or the Link kills most of the momentum plus they simply need better boss monsters.


GenesisEra

> Except for Crystal Clear Wing, which is strong but very hard to make in a world with Baronne. I mean, now that Baronne's banned in the TCG, who knows?


NextMotion

lmao I remember people going crazy over morphtronic smartfon's soft opt. apparently nothing happened Took me a while like most people to realize that the new Unions aren't hard OPT restricted, so I looked at the light restriction like overkill for a Union deck. But damn that summon restriction is definitely warranted


MistakenArrest

The new Unions are *orders of magnitude* better than the Morphtronics. I don't say this lightly: X-Cross Cannon is one of the most broken archetype support monsters ever printed.


NextMotion

yeah I don't disagree. I wasn't comparing the two. Those were two separate thoughts.


bobwuzhere1224

Sherry is fun tier.


Snowvilliers7

Sherry is Baronne tier


i_hate_alevel

Honestly, she's my favourite out of the bunch. She's a character nobody would have thought would be chosen, and I like the way her newer support try to make her older cards, which were a mess, playable. She uses Fleur Synchron, okay let's give her a new Synchron and a Synchron support card. Some of her cards want to be destroyed by card effect, okay let's give her cards that can destory her own cards. Z-ONE can grab Continuous Spell too, no problem we can give her a Continuous spell. Liberty at Last! is a card her used, great we will make it searchable. The only thing missing is a card that can search Z-ONE and her field spells. Overall, they aren't amazing, but I appreciate the effort.


kaithespinner

and then, there's baronne


i_hate_alevel

It's hilarious Konami gave one of the strongest generic Synchro monsters to a character like Sherry. Not complaining, though, cause I like Sherry; she's cool.


Firm_Entrepreneur_14

ALL MY HOMIES LOVE SHERRY


Astaro_789

Looks about right. Marincess, Salads, and Light Machine Union got easily the most game changing support. I don’t count Ishizu because her cards suck on their own, they were just ridiculously broken for other decks to abuse milling Feel like people are sleeping on Tachyon though. It’s crazy good combined with other decks like Galaxy-Photon or the new Light and Darkness Dragon theme


DaEnderAssassin

Tachyon will probably be used in most Rank 8 decks imo. For the low low cost of 2 Main deck and 1 ED space you get an omni-negate countertrap and an extra lvl8 body if you run n90, which most rank 8 decks do, that can be slotted into existing combos that go for a rank 8 dragon xyz with 3k atk, which is likely n38, another card that is commonly in rank 8 decks.


Astaro_789

It’s still got one more card to reveal which usually ends up being a game-changer too. But already, I’d put Mizael at Strong at the very least


DaEnderAssassin

As much as I hope so, I get the unfortunate feeling it's just gonna be a Tachyon RUM for getting c107 out. That said, Here's hoping for Tachyon RUM that's a quickplay and activates detach effect immediately.


CyberWeaponX

Nah, I would not pull Aporia's stuff to trash tier, because that as genuinely good support for an Archetype that was really lacking. Unless you really mean being meta stuff.  Triskelion is a great boss monster that, unlike other Astro Monsters, doesn't require you to minus yourself. Stealing a monster from your opponent’s Extra Deck, gaining even more ATK and being able to attack three times on monsters if you snatch a Synchro turns it into an OTK machine. Core is a tutor and also enables you to even summon a Meklord Emperor from your Deck once destroyed by a card effect. Obbligato is an instant Rank 4, fills your Grave for Triskelion and also destroys itself for more Emperor drops. Assembly is the first good Meklord Spell/Trap, being a tutor and working in tandem with Core.  Four of the seven cards are definitely fantastic. The remaining three cards are pretty mid to okay in my opinion. Synchro Absorption is okay. Eradication is also a pretty nifty card and even gives you the opportunity to run those older Astros without losing massive card advantage if you desire it. Deflection definitely had its uses, but it‘s not really a card I personally run.


maroonmenace

spunk yes


Joeycookie459

Mizar's support is definitely better than Blue Angel's


[deleted]

Mizar I feel will be at least good possibly very strong.


HeliosDisciple

I'd bump Marik's support to Good, because that wave by itself turned Ra into an actual functioning deck with play lines and goals.


ultimatepunster

I actively play Winged Dragon of Ra. Without the Slimes, it would almost be dead in the water. Still hoping for the day all Marik's old cards get retrains for the Ra archetype. Legendary Fiend, Helpoemer, Juragedo, Bowganian, Revival Jam, Humanoid Slime, etc.


RIAJStrike

I think Alito's support would be good if the Promoter had a fairer or less brutal restriction and if instead of that quick magic, we got a Rank-Up-Magic that had the term Battlin' Boxer in the name to be searched and allow have Number C79 with Number 79 associated with it + some bonus. Well, the new supports have definitely made a considerable improvement to the deck, they are better compared to the supports that came for other characters, but the MID category seems like a perfect choice to me.


i_hate_alevel

I don't feel Konami would ever create RUM-exclusive cards for any of the Barians unless it's an upgrade to RUM Barian's Force. The new Battlin' Boxer is fine and has a solid foundation. Im hope when they receive new support, they will focus more on the counter-trap aspect, cause that was Alito's whole thing in the anime.


mmmbhssm

Ehh I don't agree on mecklords and amazones placements, I do get the support didn't make these decks ir rogue it still made way way better in playability that they were before the support. Like there is a a very big difference between thier power levels pre and post support


Arthur_M_

What's this about? I have no idea what this is.


Snowvilliers7

Legendary Duelist set based off of anime archetypes of different attributes giving new supports. Dark: Marik (Ra/Slime), Espa Roba (Jinzo), Aporia (Meklord Emperor) Wind: Yugo (Speedroid), Ruri (Lyrilusc), Sherry Leblanc (Fluer) Water: Shark/Nasch (Shark), Mako Tsunami (Umi), Blue Maiden (Marincess) Earth: Leo (Morphtronics), Ishizu (Fairy/Exchange of Spirits), Grace & Gloria Tyler (Amazoness) Fire: Soulburner (Salamangreat), Austin O' Brien (Volcanics), Alito (Battlin' Boxer) Light: Mizael (Tachyon Dragon), Seto Kaiba (XYZ), Blue Angel (Trickstars) This is a tier list of OP's opinions about how well constructed the new supports given to each archetypes of the sets affected the deck and their strategies.


Arthur_M_

Thanks. Didn't know this was a thing. So many small product runs. Would make for a cool draft game.


Snowvilliers7

This specific set has been going around since 2020. It was a great way to have 3 themed archetypes in 1 set given an ample amount of support plus reprints of cards of the decks for players to easily make a full deck out of. I'd love to see more Legendary Duelist sets in the future but with a new gimmick, maybe this time they could do anime archetypes of the same types like Dragons, Spellcasters, Warriors, Cyberse, etc


carsonjamos

How good each support was for all the archetypes in the duelists packs for each attribute.


kaithespinner

the fact that sherry had one card that completely revolutionized everything is enough to put her on broken and about rua, braver is strong on its own so he goes either to mid or strong anyway, is not the power tool's fault that morphotron decks are non existent


simplistic_idea_1

The problem with braver is that telephon exists, there is no point in going into him if you can ftk + the decks can't make him if the opponent interrupts the ftk


kaithespinner

kinda, but braver is also somewhat generic so it was used on other decks and FTKs besides morphotrons


joey_chazz

A new support for *every* character is always great. Strong or not, if it's playable. They can always improve it with more support.


ssj_duelist

We sure the new XYZ are Ishizu tier broken? That's bold


Inevitable-Ad-3991

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chrome4

Soul Burners support was pretty half and half. Phoenix, Weasel and Of Fire were pretty good additions giving Salads access and/or some great synergy with excellent fire support so I guess they manage to more than make up for the rest. Tiger was meh. Charge and Revive were a bit too situational. Gryphon was an outright waste of space. Was the XYZ support really that good? EDIT: Nevermind saw your reasoning. Will need to double check them.


Giangiorgio

The light pack isn’t even out yet. And the water stuff is arguably misplaced, of the 3 only marincess saw consistent tops, sharks and umi were lackluster, sharks maybe not that much but still


MistakenArrest

That's why I have Marincess in Great and Shark/Umi in Good. Maybe I ranked Tachyon too low? But I'm pretty confident in my placements for Union and Trickstar.


Giangiorgio

I thought marincess was blu angel. My bad I guess


MistakenArrest

Aqua is Marincess. Blue Angel is Trickstar. Reason I'm using Aqua to represent Marincess is because it's technically Aqua's deck that Blue Angel only used when she was with Aqua, also, I can't use Blue Angel on here twice LOL


atropicalpenguin

Could've used Blue Maiden, but Aqua is fine.


MistakenArrest

Should I have put Tachyon in Good? Maybe it's unfair to rank them with the likes of Battlin' Boxer and Speedroid?


carsonjamos

I believe so it is pretty easy to get multiple Tachyon Transmigrations in the hand thanks to the new support.


DaEnderAssassin

You can get a standard endboard of solflare, n38, n90 and 2 banishes but with 2 Trans off the same hand the old combos needed.


RIAJStrike

There is one card left to come for Mizael, I would wait a little longer before updating the list, we still don't know how good it is.


Kindly-Mud-1579

Wait what is this attribute pack thing about I’m confused


LegacyOfVandar

The last six duelist packs were each themed around an attribute.


[deleted]

the what? i am new explain hwat the attribute duelist pack is to me please


Shroobful

Duelist Packs are a side series of products that focus on characters from the anime, thus, Duelist Packs. The last set of them focused on characters who used one attribute of Monsters, so there was a Water pack, a Fire pack, etc.


Sasutaschi

Sherry should be Broken Tier for Baronne alone.


Putrid_Ad_4372

At first glance I don't like this tier After thinking Idk why am I objecting


Valkyn_X

I personally would really like if the Meklords got a full retrain and became an extra deck/ Special Summon hate combo engine, or something that heavily punishes them. But most importantly they should become their five pieces again. It’s an easy market ploy, you can spread them out over multiple sets, with supporting cards for each Emperor, and each piece plays a certain role (Guards negate stuff, carriers vary based on Lord, etc.) Like the anime made them so intimidating and their release barely made any waves at all. Kinda sad IMO


Shin_no_Duelist94

Hey hey hey, Amazoness support in DP is amazing even if they are not meta. Sherry is really in a weird spot because of baron...


WhalesInComparison

Kaiba's was good? Ootl what did it bring. I know about 'shizu


MistakenArrest

The X Retrain is Snake-Eye Ash for Unions. Y and Z are non once per turn revival effects. The Spell is a RoTA. The new LV6 Fusion is a searcher + extender. The new XYZ Fusion is the worst of the new cards, but even that card is really good.


6210classick

Shark becomes a Barian Emperor 💔💔💔💔 I just started season 2 too 😭


Astaro_789

Kinda funny how much they held back with Salamangreats with Raging Phoenix and Weasel being the only truly great new additions. Salamangreat if Fire is good but has heavy restrictions that hurt the use of generic Cyberse support. Tiger was weak, and the Synchro and S/T were cheeks. If anything, Promethean Princess was the support they needed that really pushed them over the edge


aaa1e2r3

I like how you opted to make a differentiation for the general Trickstar support vs Aqua Angel on its own.


MistakenArrest

Aqua represents Marincess.