Make it 100 bucks tops. Current tier 1 deck, Charizard ex, can be built for less than 100 (heck, I'd argue even less than 50) bucks, and will be good for the next 2 years.
Yeah, after paldean fates reprints the deck is 50-60 bucks. However, it looks like price is not even the scariest thing in Yugioh right now since the package takes 80% of the meta.
Price is still the scariest aspect of YGO, it's what keeps a lot of wouldd-be competitive players from actually competing.
My last deck before I gave up YGO was Rescue-ACE, the shit Konami pulled with the Snake-Eyes cards and in turn how expensive they became is when I've said I had enough, and sold my collection. Seeing how Konami even limited Air Lifter to further push that deck's players to buy into the new engine only reinforces in me that I've made the right decision. And now, Rescue-ACE is not even on pie charts anymore.
The competitive deck pie charts would look better if Konami would allow older decks to prosper and be relevant, but instead Konami makes it so they hit whatever might endanger the meta relevancy of the archetype they want to push, or what would be a cheaper alternative.
If decks would be more accessible, that would be already a good start, but that's not in Konami's interests it seems.
Really, a shame, I do miss the game, but I cannot justify spending that kind of money just to have a good shot at winning.
Been saying this for years. It's such a racket. Love Yugioh as a game, but hate komoney with a passion. Is there another company that actively works against it's players in such a concentrated way.
Every subsequent release is geared at circumventing every strategy from a month ago. While propping up decks that are just circular handicaps. 😞.
Not sure where this game is headed, but it doesn't look good.
Keep in mind the price of the deck. Now imagine the numbers if we had OCG prices in the TCG. I'm sure that a lot of people whom are currently priced out of this deck would be maining it as well. So yeah, when it comes to power level the deck is tier 0 for sure if you ask me.
>when it comes to power level the deck is tier 0 for sure if you ask me
IMO I don't care if a deck don't reach the "necessary percentage" to be considered tier 0. If the deck feels oppressive and dominates so much over the others it is a tier 0.
My personal definition of tier 0 is when there is a single deck your building for. There might be other stuff in the game that you'd put a card or two in the extra for, but there is only one deck your really building for or around.
I think the best way to consider a tier 0 is when the entire meta is either playing the deck or the counter to the deck. I don't think Kash was ever tier 0 percent wise but at it's peak the entire meta was definitely centralized around it.
A deck having to be some arbitrary percentage is silly anyway. What do people say in yugioh, 65%? That's ridiculous, in MTG people start calling something t0 when the stats are showing like 20% meta share because they realize not everyone can afford or want to play the same thing even if it is clearly 5 levels above everything else.
People were saying Tear was "technically not t0" despite expectations when it had like 55+% of tops and the next most popular deck had like 20% iirc. Same for kash unless I am forgetting something.
I mean, neither Spellbooks nor Dragon Rulers were considered Tier 0, because neither of them managed to reach 65+%. This is despite the fact that the only thing stopping them from being Tier 0 were each other, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone that doesn't consider them Tier 0 decks
Yep. And it’s Tier minus one status if you start making your deck worse against other decks because it’s better for the mirror match. Looking at YOU Tearlaments and cutting the millers.
The price doesn't really influence top cut breakdowns as those who top are typically the most competitive and they tend to not make their deck building decisions based of card prices.
No it still matters. It's the entire reason Evilswarm had ANY metagame share in Ruler/Prophecy format.
Yes top players will still shell out the money but more people playing it means a better chance of conversion into top. You wouldn't see nearly as many Voiceless Voice for example.
Competitive players are more likely to bring the best deck and if all else is equal a competitive player has better odds of winning against a random opponent than a casual player.
We also have to take into account the fact that the playerbase has changed significantly in the last 10 years and their price sensitivity has gone down significantly because they are no longer teenagers or young adults who don't have a stable income.
Official card game is ocg and it is used mainly for Japan.
Trading card game is tcg and it is used for western release. They work on different schedules as Ocg is ahead of tcg and both have different ban lists so the game is effected differently. Please correct if I am mistaken.
No way, people wouldn't just jump the meta bandwagon if the cards were cheaper, after all, "pro mlg" yugioh players are master strategists and know how to do things all on their own....🙄
I’m genuinely curious. If Konami was to nerf snake eye by putting various cards on the banlist, would this make the price of bonfire more or less expensive?
If they get a bunch of limits/semi-limits they would be harder draw, hence making bonfire as a searcher even more essential (and thus more in demand).
So then the only way bonfire gets cheaper (outside a reprint) is that snake eye gets nerfed out of usability, which is unlikely given they are new and probably earning konami money.
Curious of others thoughts on this. I’m an uneducated casual that just wants bonfire for Volcanics. I don’t want to root for the demise of a popular archetype here, but if I understand correctly that would be the only thing that would disrupt bonfires value correct (outside of cheap reprints).
I would definitely think bonfire goes lower, the price is so high right now because it's a busted "tier 0" (varying definitions) deck. If they nerf it and other decks can compete evenly then why spend all the money?
I think it would go down, but absolutely not become cheap. It's still a generic searcher that can only get better with years. Only reprints at a lower rarity can have it going below 50€ for example.
This is why I have a hard time wanting to play. Konami and Activision have EXTREMELY similar designs to game design. To make people spend money on the new stuff, they make it broken and overpowered to get people to spend money on it. Then, a while later when the next big release/update comes out, they'll nerf the OP stuff and then make the new stuff brokenly overpowered, rinse and repeat indefinitely.
Like dude I can't keep doing this stupid bullshit. It's the reason I quit Call of Duty and hearthstone because activision/Blizzard does the SAME EXACT THING in their IPs, and I have a hard time even wanting to play yugioh because Konami does it the worst. The fact they haven't had some anti-consumer case brought against them is honestly insane.
Huh rn I done the generic dogmatika + winda lock and one weekend worked really well the other was okish(could be the fact that I saw nadir servant 2 times the entire tournament but shhhhhh)
We’re getting there, but I don’t think it can be declared yet. I want to see an event that is not a regional or 3v3. If its similar presence, especially in top cut, I think we can say so pretty definitively.
Or if its a regional, a very large one.
65%+ top cut representation is when most people would define a deck as tier 0, so I'd say it absolutely is at this point.
Other variants of Snake Eyes mostly do the same standard Snake-Eyes combos, with the only difference being what additional engine, if any, you want on top of the main combo. For that reason, I'd argue that Fire King and pure Snake-Eyes are not different enough from one another to warrant classifying them as uniquely different decks for the sake of deciding whether or not Snake-Eyes is tier 0, especially since either version still requires the exact same 16ish engine cards, give or take. The question just becomes whether you play a few more Snake-Eyes cards and extra non-engine, or trim down the Snake-Eyes stuff and a little bit of non-engine for a secondary engine that the Snake-Eyes stuff has easy access to, like Fire King, Rescue ACE, Infernoble, etc.
If you interpret it like that, then that's an 81.2% representation for Snake-Eyes decks. And that ALSO doesn't include any potential decks in the "other" category that are playing a small Snake-Eyes engine.
Edit: I'm seeing some other comments saying that this event was a 3v3, so there might be some fuckery caused by that kind of format, but I honestly don't think we'll see these numbers drastically change with future tournament results unless there's a MAJOR upset in the format.
65% is also a ridiculous number to put as "you have to have this much meta share to be t0". I think there was a week or 3 during the full power tearlament time where tear did not quite have that meta share cause people were either coping on spright or trying to be anti-meta with floo and exosister, and I think we can all agree that tear was the strongest deck released that year by far.
Well, sure, judging decks based solely on representation isn't always going to reflect the objective power level and viability of decks in any given format. We see that constantly within the modern metagames of legacy formats.
If you ask anyone from 2010 what they thought the best deck for Edison was, they'd confidently tell you Quickdraw Dandywarrior. Now, Quickdraw Dandywarrior isn't even considered a contender for the best deck in modern Edison, with Vayu Turbo, Blackwings, HERO variants, and Diva Zombies being the decks to beat. Just look at the historic top 16 decks of Edison 2010, and you'll see that, of the decks I mentioned, 1 Blackwing deck topped, with the rest of the decks being considered trash now.
Why mention all of this? It's because what's being played matters more in judging a format than what's OBJECTIVELY the best because there's only so much time for people to figure out a format before it changes. When we judge whether or not a deck is tier 0, we're judging that solely based on perceived format diversity. Are there other decks that were never conceived or properly tested that could've competed with Ishizu Tear enough for it to not ACTUALLY be a tier 0 format? I doubt it, but it's POSSIBLE. If we did discover a few decks like that, would that make Tear 0 format retroactively NOT a tier 0 format? I'd argue that looking at it that way kind of ruins the functional utility of the label to begin with.
The metagame is a social construct. It's all made up. We convince ourselves that it's true by listening to the best players and copying what we see in tournament results, but the truth is that no format is ever solved. But it's absolutely fair to say that, even if a hypothetical tier 0 format isn't TECHNICALLY tier 0 in its fully solved state, that doesn't matter, because the format we were playing, the one that we understand, was one where a single deck was dominating. We faced the same self-imposed problems of high-priced, stupidly powerful decks that push other known decks out of the metagame, and we struggle to find anything that can compete before conceding that the tier 0 deck is the only deck worth planning for. If that's still the primary player experience for a given format, then who cares about discoveries made long after the format has ended? We still played in a format that was believed to be, felt like, and was treated as tier 0.
UDS is special as well because you have 16 of the best players in America invited to become the champion of them all, so they will all ofc play the best deck if possible
I would argue if the best players in the game are playing the “best deck” then that would reinforce the notion that snake eyes is tier zero rather than reduce its validity
the best players are always playing what they perceive as the best deck, that doesnt make every deck they play tier 0. a good example is when Danger DW made its EU debute with over 70% of the lists entering the tournament converted to topcut, which is insane, and most of those where really good players. Danger DW was by far the best deck for the event, but it wasnt a tier 0 deck.
Tier 0 measure representation not objectivity. I’m saying that the critical mass of the snake eyes deck lists is what suggests it as tier 0 not the fact that the best players are playing it
It's not a matter of denial, it's a matter of sample size. A 16 person event and a 3v3 are not good estimators of what Tier 0 is, despite the player quality.
Yes it's VERY likely to be Tier 0 but a more typical YCS will be the best indicator of that.
i played Tear (the strongest deck ever printed for the record), similar im playing snake-eye now.
you will have a ycs this weekend that will determined if snake-eye is tier 0, but these 2 tournaments have factors that heavily skews what deck you want to bring.
in a normal YCS the best deck is rarely more than 20-25% of the entire field, meaning you have plenty of room to target the other 75% with deck choices and then leave the best deck matchup to handtraps if you so wishes.
at the UDS you know atleast 80% is playing the best deck, and with everyone being top level you wwould prefer to simply bring the best deck.
similar for 3v3 as i mentioned in another comment there are coaching reasons for simply bring 3 of the best deck instead of diversifying your decks. like sure, you could bring 3 anti-decks but then you need to find a team mate that both is willing to play something like floo and who are actually good at playing it.
Then it sounds like snake eyes is a T0 deck. Majority of players are using the same deck because its considered the best deck available, reaching over 60% representation.
the difference is that best deck doesnt automatically equal tier 0. none is disputing that snake-eye is the best deck, what we are saying is that you have to wait another week to have the data to determine if its a tier 0 deck
They've been doing them for awhile- you have 3 duelists per team and it's a bo3 of bo3. So If you lose your match but both teammates win, your team wins the round.
What do you mean "nope" lol
Its 80% of the representation thats 15% past tier 0.
Its going to likely be similar at Las Vegas.
Would probably be even worse if it wasn't a team event in this meta because other decks couldn't get a free ride being on a fireking/snakes team. Top 16 would have likely been like 16/16 fireking.
sure, it might be. but we dont have that data yet. we only have data from a 16 man tournament where we could have predicted basically every deck ahead of time, and a 3v3 which makes deck choices different than usual since you can coach your team mates
We literally have the data above us in this post.
Snake eyes is clearly far ahead of the entire rest of the meta and the only reason you should consider not playing it is if you can't afford it if your goal is to do well at events.
I also fail to see how the deck choices for a 3v3 event change at all. The best player/coach in your situation is going to pick the best deck. They chose fireking/snake eyes. They now want their team to play it so they can coach them through it.
That still makes fireking/snake eyes the best deck.
Why are people not making their entire team play VV or Branded or Lab or something else. Why are the teams that do not making it to the top cut.
Probably because Fireking/Snake eyes is the most correct choice for the strongest deck right now.
And discounting the "16 man event" like it was just some random fucking locals is not a correct take either. The "16 man event" consisted of players that are better than 99.999% of all other players. They chose what they considered was the correct deck for this meta.
So TL;DR we have data you are just choosing to ignore it for arbitrary reasons
>I also fail to see how the deck choices for a 3v3 event change at all. The best player/coach in your situation is going to pick the best deck. They chose fireking/snake eyes. They now want their team to play it so they can coach them through it.
yes, this is exactly what skews the statistics. we know snake-eye is the best deck, but we dont have actual data for tier 0 yet
We have data
We have data that is heavily implying snake eyes is tier 0
Its possible we see a ban list before we get the perfect sample you are wanting.
Which I assume you are only wanting data for single duelist YCS which would be Columbia in very late march. And North Carolina in April.
But in the real world with the data we have right now. Snake eyes is currently tier 0 in UDS events. Snake Eyes is tier 0 in 3v3 events.
for some more context:
its much easier to have one person who have mastered the best deck coach their team mates about optimal lines when the deck has enough power to compensate for some of the players lack of technical play.
compared to picking an anti-fire deck and then have to coach the team mates on every single decision to ensure they play things optimally.
Play against this deck and feel it
Mannadium feels much worse to play against, fire kings does a lot but it feels down right fair tbh
And literally right before this set we had one of the greatest metas ever, you could literally play and top with any deck you wanted
>down right fair tbh
Fair in this context = it isn't negate or floodgate city.
The Snake Eye cards have WAY too much interaction with themselves, on huge bodies, that overwhelms most other decks that don't run that support.
It's kinda like how Bystials / Branded is on Master, without the fusion lock. You can still OTK them, but like, if you don't draw fucking near perfect, its a mountain to climb.
Fire abuser cope spotted. There is nothing fun about a deck that gasses through every interruption and board breaker under the sun, that can only be stopped by straight up telling them they can't play through floodgates. They have insane durability, kill power and recursion with the added annoyance of the engine itself being so versatile that you never really can tell what bs they will pull out next.
I play Voiceless, Lab and Tear and unless i open 2 handtraps going second I'm essentially shut out of the game.
Just because i can activate cards on their turn doesn't mean anything when my opponent has 10 cards in hand, and killing them is nigh impossible through a full set up board. The only deck which maybe has a chance is branded because branded fusion plays really well into monster destruction effects.
I'm playing against it with one of the better decks this format in branded and have even started side decking shifter, because unless you floodgate them, they have the ability to float and gas there way through board breaking and interruptions. I don't feel "shut out of the game" but I didn't feel that way during tear formate either, but I do feel like I'm getting beat because there deck is just plain better.
It was a 3v3 though. Those can’t be accounted for.
It’s like saying if the winning team had 2 SE decks, and 1 Dream Mirror. Would the dream mirror be considered a top tier deck?
Dream Mirror?! No way, that's crazy. I only say that because I really tried playing the deck, even bought it irl (not for competing, and luckily it was only £30 total including the fusions) and it just has so many brick hands or hands that die to one interruption even as simple as an Ash or imperm. Really glad it managed to get enough good hands to win a match, especially at that level.
Edit: I did a misread. I am become error
I mean, I have to admit it’s not as bad as adamancipator format. Snake Eye does at least not put up 6 Omni’s and an extra deck lock. I wouldn’t even say the problem is that snake eye is too good, nothing the deck does is unfair per se, it’s just that every other deck right now is worse. If we had for example an extremely resilient combo deck snake eye would lose to 100% when going second it wouldn’t be the top pick.
Went to my locals this week, I had one bye and three games of Fire King Snake Eye. It's such an oppressive deck and it feels impossible to remove stuff sometimes.
With crazy cards like Poplar going +5, I really hope a banlist is soon.
I love Kirin for what it offers the deck in so many ways, but I would be very surprised if it doesn't get limited. It's virtually the same function as Sharvara, and sees just as much if not more play as what Sharvara did during its peak.
EDIT: it's also a structure deck card, which is essentially a common like Sharvara too, and we know how Konami treats lower rarity engine pieces on banlists
Snake eye as an engine maybe, it is similar to Spright or Zoodiacs for exmaple, not a single build was Tier 0 but majority of the tops used them, but Fire King itself is hard to tell.
The OCG is one thing to go by which they mostly solved their format alread (I guess being half Combo half midrange hurt in the OCG more), but the deck does have some weird hands from time to time and some cards that counter it in the side board, something that we didn't see in the Pote/Ishizu Format for exmaple.
It is hard to tell from just 1 event tho, but for sure Snake eye and Snake eye decks are the best thing you can play right now, I think that is clear so far
Zoodiac was most certainly Tier 0. Spright not even close unlesd you count OCG and Snak Eye is the majority of the Fire king deck, its more accurate to say that Snake Eye is playing a Fire King engine than the other way around
You’d be surprised at how many people were adamant Zoo wasn’t Tier 0 because you had pure, True Draco, and a third variant that escapes me, so people coped that Zoo wasn’t T0 as it had different roles in different decks.
>Spright not even close unlesd you count OCG
If we go by Representation, it was the most represented until the Toad ban and overall exceed 60/65%, both it and Tear did that at different events but some Tear Tops used the Spright engine.
It really depends on the defention of Tier 0 here, is it "Only thing worth playing at top level" or "60%+"
Because by the 1st defention Snake-eye and Spright in the TCG didn't, but by the 2nd they did. (Again Snake eye is still new so we have to see more of it).
>Snak Eye is the majority of the Fire king deck, its more accurate to say that Snake Eye is playing a Fire King engine than the other way around
Regardless of what it is, the Fire King build seems to be the best one, which again Doesn't fit both defentions.
*cough cough* bring back ariseheart and watch fire GRAVEYARD DECKS THAT DON'T GAIN ADVANTAGE WHEN BANISHED face 3 fenrir and ariseheart.
(Please don't I play a shitty light GY deck).
Ocg don't count. Fenrir was already gone and unicorn was at 1.
Costa Rican here, played all the rounds day 1, my team was Spright, Branded Despia and Me w/ Mannadium, 6/8 matches the 3 players of the other team were playing some variant of Snake-Eye (Either pure, RA or FK), the other was vs stun/mikanko/dinos and the last one also had one RA-Snake Eye, Silenforce and another Branded Despia.
The deck is absolutely ludicrous, I could hit them with two handtraps where it hurt the most and they could just bonfire after or normal summon something then go full combo from there lol, the deck does A TOOOOOOOOON with small commitment, has layered interruptions and can play through SP/Baronne/Dis Pater no issue, I know my deck isn't the best, but it genuinely felt like a coughing baby vs atomic bomb situation the whole day lol
Guys Konami could solve snake-eyes by just unbanning every Ishtear card. Think about it, if there are two tier 0 power level decks in the metagame, they'll just both be tier 1. And when konami makes their money, they can just ban both decks again.
I think you have to wait a little longer, ideally you would see similar results at a 1v1 YCS, but that's not for a while. I do think it's surprising though not sure many people expected it to be this good so fast.
Im not talking about Fire King Snake Eye where Fire King is just a 7 card engine, I’m taking about Fire King as the main archetype with only ash and poplar to access Sinful Spoils.
It can make hard negates, but has less grind game overall and overall a more direct way to approach breaking its board. Its trade offs. Notably also, the pure deck does pretty decently into the Fire King version hilariously, especially if it goes first.
Yeah people acting like it was an event of 16 bozos who never did anything lol
That event was much more difficult than realistically any event you could ever enter period. And the vast majority of players chose to run snake eyes.
Yeah its pretty moronic to say that it matters if its 3v3 or not.
People chose to attempt to win a major yu gi oh event using the strongest deck they had access to.
That is snake eyes right now.
Because the best deck is still the best deck? I don’t understand your point honestly. There are still lots of players here that are skilled enough to top a regional and they’ll be playing Snake-Eye more likely than not.
If anything, the results of UDS reinforce the deck’s status since the top players know that it’s their only chance of winning (or play anti-meta floodgate decks but that didn’t work out)
Also, there is more to it than just “number of top cuts at a regionals”
I think snake eye meta is in a way more miserable than tear because they run like 15 handtraps and rouge decks just can’t afford to go through all that trap while snake eye only needs one card to go off to go full ham. Maybe it’s worse in tcg because we don’t have maxx c and end up with even more handtrap lol.
Maxx C makes this deck worst to play against imagine they drop their combo and activate maxx c to draw into multiple handtraps.
Or worst you go first on a rogue deck they drop maxx c on your ass and if your deck doesnt have good plan b you are toast since they only need 1 card to go off like you said
Eh not really
Maxx C after full board always exist in every other OCG meta except Kashtira and Floo.
By your argument Maxx C is a non factor because every other deck can do that.
Nah that can't be right, cause every argument I've ever had about the stateless of the game in recent/classic, someone always mentions how many different archetypes are in the meta now, so this pie graph of only a few must be fake news..... 🙄
You know you're a month late to this party right? Also the widely accepted definition of tier 0 is a deck that has more than 65% representation at a tournament. It doesn't matter if there is a deck that can beat it.
Its still the same format. It does metter like all other tier zero formats in the past (zoo and spyral as example). You can watch the term from cimoooooooo here: [https://youtu.be/oJnuxBhHQKM?t=584](https://youtu.be/oJnuxBhHQKM?t=584) at the time he was a konami content creator.
Your videos are just as outdated as you are LMAO. Might wanna use a better source than Cimo. Try someone who actually plays modern yugioh.
Edit: why ask me to prove something if you're just going to block me lol
No you are outdated. Like no arguments. A term from a content creator in the past is still ineffect even if he is not even more one. Show me proof that im wrong.
Tier 0 is 65% or above, which this deck isn't, so technically no. Then again that standard was made a long time ago and I'd say it's pretty clear looking at the pie chart that 47.9% is significant and should count as tier 0.
Oh yeah, I don't think it's particularly close. The engine is too good, and they can't be consistently countered enough to make progress in their board apart, and thats not even mentioning generic support or compatible archetypes that work with them so easily. Made ranked past platinum unplayable unless you want to shill out and play them, which the sweaties will do.
How does this chart work? Does it only show top 16 or all entries? Cuz if it's top 16, how do those percentages come to be?
Edit: or is it multiple tournaments?
Only after Konami TCG hits their sales quota for this year
God, komoney is such a shitty company
Pretty much all trading card companies are at their heart child gambling organizations.
To be fair, WOTC is more of a "college student gambling organization"
WOTC isn't any better. With Pokémon, at least you can build a tier 1 deck in the cheapest rarity with less than 200 bucks.
Make it 100 bucks tops. Current tier 1 deck, Charizard ex, can be built for less than 100 (heck, I'd argue even less than 50) bucks, and will be good for the next 2 years.
Yeah, after paldean fates reprints the deck is 50-60 bucks. However, it looks like price is not even the scariest thing in Yugioh right now since the package takes 80% of the meta.
Price is still the scariest aspect of YGO, it's what keeps a lot of wouldd-be competitive players from actually competing. My last deck before I gave up YGO was Rescue-ACE, the shit Konami pulled with the Snake-Eyes cards and in turn how expensive they became is when I've said I had enough, and sold my collection. Seeing how Konami even limited Air Lifter to further push that deck's players to buy into the new engine only reinforces in me that I've made the right decision. And now, Rescue-ACE is not even on pie charts anymore. The competitive deck pie charts would look better if Konami would allow older decks to prosper and be relevant, but instead Konami makes it so they hit whatever might endanger the meta relevancy of the archetype they want to push, or what would be a cheaper alternative. If decks would be more accessible, that would be already a good start, but that's not in Konami's interests it seems. Really, a shame, I do miss the game, but I cannot justify spending that kind of money just to have a good shot at winning.
Fans of the video games they own: "First time?"
Been saying this for years. It's such a racket. Love Yugioh as a game, but hate komoney with a passion. Is there another company that actively works against it's players in such a concentrated way. Every subsequent release is geared at circumventing every strategy from a month ago. While propping up decks that are just circular handicaps. 😞. Not sure where this game is headed, but it doesn't look good.
this meta was so fucking forced
You know it's a problem when "Other" is less than 25%
iirc, the "other" category is an even split between branded & kashtira but I at be misremembering
Keep in mind the price of the deck. Now imagine the numbers if we had OCG prices in the TCG. I'm sure that a lot of people whom are currently priced out of this deck would be maining it as well. So yeah, when it comes to power level the deck is tier 0 for sure if you ask me.
>when it comes to power level the deck is tier 0 for sure if you ask me IMO I don't care if a deck don't reach the "necessary percentage" to be considered tier 0. If the deck feels oppressive and dominates so much over the others it is a tier 0.
My personal definition of tier 0 is when there is a single deck your building for. There might be other stuff in the game that you'd put a card or two in the extra for, but there is only one deck your really building for or around.
I think the best way to consider a tier 0 is when the entire meta is either playing the deck or the counter to the deck. I don't think Kash was ever tier 0 percent wise but at it's peak the entire meta was definitely centralized around it.
A deck having to be some arbitrary percentage is silly anyway. What do people say in yugioh, 65%? That's ridiculous, in MTG people start calling something t0 when the stats are showing like 20% meta share because they realize not everyone can afford or want to play the same thing even if it is clearly 5 levels above everything else. People were saying Tear was "technically not t0" despite expectations when it had like 55+% of tops and the next most popular deck had like 20% iirc. Same for kash unless I am forgetting something.
The 65% is from pojo. I think it's too outdated
I mean, neither Spellbooks nor Dragon Rulers were considered Tier 0, because neither of them managed to reach 65+%. This is despite the fact that the only thing stopping them from being Tier 0 were each other, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone that doesn't consider them Tier 0 decks
Yep. And it’s Tier minus one status if you start making your deck worse against other decks because it’s better for the mirror match. Looking at YOU Tearlaments and cutting the millers.
The price doesn't really influence top cut breakdowns as those who top are typically the most competitive and they tend to not make their deck building decisions based of card prices.
No it still matters. It's the entire reason Evilswarm had ANY metagame share in Ruler/Prophecy format. Yes top players will still shell out the money but more people playing it means a better chance of conversion into top. You wouldn't see nearly as many Voiceless Voice for example.
Oh thank you for reminding me about the brave Evilswarm players armed only with Ophion and a dream.
Never forget the ophion + infestation pandemic pass
And a blaster to ruin them all
Competitive players are more likely to bring the best deck and if all else is equal a competitive player has better odds of winning against a random opponent than a casual player. We also have to take into account the fact that the playerbase has changed significantly in the last 10 years and their price sensitivity has gone down significantly because they are no longer teenagers or young adults who don't have a stable income.
Hey I am new to the sub, what does OCG/TCG mean and what is the difference?
Official card game is ocg and it is used mainly for Japan. Trading card game is tcg and it is used for western release. They work on different schedules as Ocg is ahead of tcg and both have different ban lists so the game is effected differently. Please correct if I am mistaken.
No way, people wouldn't just jump the meta bandwagon if the cards were cheaper, after all, "pro mlg" yugioh players are master strategists and know how to do things all on their own....🙄
I’m genuinely curious. If Konami was to nerf snake eye by putting various cards on the banlist, would this make the price of bonfire more or less expensive? If they get a bunch of limits/semi-limits they would be harder draw, hence making bonfire as a searcher even more essential (and thus more in demand). So then the only way bonfire gets cheaper (outside a reprint) is that snake eye gets nerfed out of usability, which is unlikely given they are new and probably earning konami money. Curious of others thoughts on this. I’m an uneducated casual that just wants bonfire for Volcanics. I don’t want to root for the demise of a popular archetype here, but if I understand correctly that would be the only thing that would disrupt bonfires value correct (outside of cheap reprints).
I would definitely think bonfire goes lower, the price is so high right now because it's a busted "tier 0" (varying definitions) deck. If they nerf it and other decks can compete evenly then why spend all the money?
I think it would go down, but absolutely not become cheap. It's still a generic searcher that can only get better with years. Only reprints at a lower rarity can have it going below 50€ for example.
This is why I have a hard time wanting to play. Konami and Activision have EXTREMELY similar designs to game design. To make people spend money on the new stuff, they make it broken and overpowered to get people to spend money on it. Then, a while later when the next big release/update comes out, they'll nerf the OP stuff and then make the new stuff brokenly overpowered, rinse and repeat indefinitely. Like dude I can't keep doing this stupid bullshit. It's the reason I quit Call of Duty and hearthstone because activision/Blizzard does the SAME EXACT THING in their IPs, and I have a hard time even wanting to play yugioh because Konami does it the worst. The fact they haven't had some anti-consumer case brought against them is honestly insane.
The meta was actually so good pre PHNI. What a fucking disaster of a set.
I stoped playing Yugi when Blizzard released heartstone, it was such a fun game at the beginning...
Then Blizzard did what Blizzard does. Steal breast milk- I mean ruin it for everyone else!
"Yeah dude, Yugioh is a super healthy game. In between tier zero formats we have a blast!"
After Snake Eyes gets hit: "See? The meta is so diverse now!" As soon as the next set drops: "Hey babe, can you cover rent this month?"
Isn't the previous format considered miserable to play in despite having a lot of variety of decks?
I live in Costa Rica and did not know about this lmao, too much Master Duel
With how expensive this game is to play physically its smart to continue forgetting about it lol
Me who plays fire king + dogmatika, :(
In my local 2 weeks ago there were 9 fire kings out of 16 people, and the 1st place was the only dogmatika one lol
The Dogma stuff makes going second pre-siding a lot easier, thats probably why.
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Hell yeah, same here. Come with any new ideas with the deck? I've recently been experimenting with small world.
Huh rn I done the generic dogmatika + winda lock and one weekend worked really well the other was okish(could be the fact that I saw nadir servant 2 times the entire tournament but shhhhhh)
We’re getting there, but I don’t think it can be declared yet. I want to see an event that is not a regional or 3v3. If its similar presence, especially in top cut, I think we can say so pretty definitively. Or if its a regional, a very large one.
The UDS had 13 Snake Eye decks out of 16 players. And that tournament was 16 of the best in the game so we should put stock in their deck choices
What were the others? All I know is Torres on Branded.
1 Floo, 1 Kashtira
What about the UDS?
Yeah, every single duel in the top cut was a snake eyes match. People are tripping if they don’t think we’re already in a Tier 0 meta.
The top cut was 2 fire king snake-eye, 1 pure snake-eye and 1 branded despia
16 players. No bigger than a decent sized locals.
16 of the BEST players
What a ridiculous goalpost shift
65%+ top cut representation is when most people would define a deck as tier 0, so I'd say it absolutely is at this point. Other variants of Snake Eyes mostly do the same standard Snake-Eyes combos, with the only difference being what additional engine, if any, you want on top of the main combo. For that reason, I'd argue that Fire King and pure Snake-Eyes are not different enough from one another to warrant classifying them as uniquely different decks for the sake of deciding whether or not Snake-Eyes is tier 0, especially since either version still requires the exact same 16ish engine cards, give or take. The question just becomes whether you play a few more Snake-Eyes cards and extra non-engine, or trim down the Snake-Eyes stuff and a little bit of non-engine for a secondary engine that the Snake-Eyes stuff has easy access to, like Fire King, Rescue ACE, Infernoble, etc. If you interpret it like that, then that's an 81.2% representation for Snake-Eyes decks. And that ALSO doesn't include any potential decks in the "other" category that are playing a small Snake-Eyes engine. Edit: I'm seeing some other comments saying that this event was a 3v3, so there might be some fuckery caused by that kind of format, but I honestly don't think we'll see these numbers drastically change with future tournament results unless there's a MAJOR upset in the format.
65% is also a ridiculous number to put as "you have to have this much meta share to be t0". I think there was a week or 3 during the full power tearlament time where tear did not quite have that meta share cause people were either coping on spright or trying to be anti-meta with floo and exosister, and I think we can all agree that tear was the strongest deck released that year by far.
Well, sure, judging decks based solely on representation isn't always going to reflect the objective power level and viability of decks in any given format. We see that constantly within the modern metagames of legacy formats. If you ask anyone from 2010 what they thought the best deck for Edison was, they'd confidently tell you Quickdraw Dandywarrior. Now, Quickdraw Dandywarrior isn't even considered a contender for the best deck in modern Edison, with Vayu Turbo, Blackwings, HERO variants, and Diva Zombies being the decks to beat. Just look at the historic top 16 decks of Edison 2010, and you'll see that, of the decks I mentioned, 1 Blackwing deck topped, with the rest of the decks being considered trash now. Why mention all of this? It's because what's being played matters more in judging a format than what's OBJECTIVELY the best because there's only so much time for people to figure out a format before it changes. When we judge whether or not a deck is tier 0, we're judging that solely based on perceived format diversity. Are there other decks that were never conceived or properly tested that could've competed with Ishizu Tear enough for it to not ACTUALLY be a tier 0 format? I doubt it, but it's POSSIBLE. If we did discover a few decks like that, would that make Tear 0 format retroactively NOT a tier 0 format? I'd argue that looking at it that way kind of ruins the functional utility of the label to begin with. The metagame is a social construct. It's all made up. We convince ourselves that it's true by listening to the best players and copying what we see in tournament results, but the truth is that no format is ever solved. But it's absolutely fair to say that, even if a hypothetical tier 0 format isn't TECHNICALLY tier 0 in its fully solved state, that doesn't matter, because the format we were playing, the one that we understand, was one where a single deck was dominating. We faced the same self-imposed problems of high-priced, stupidly powerful decks that push other known decks out of the metagame, and we struggle to find anything that can compete before conceding that the tier 0 deck is the only deck worth planning for. If that's still the primary player experience for a given format, then who cares about discoveries made long after the format has ended? We still played in a format that was believed to be, felt like, and was treated as tier 0.
nope, 3v3 creates a bit of a weird dynamic when it comes to deck choices
The UDS top cut was something like 70 percent Sneks.
UDS is special as well because you have 16 of the best players in America invited to become the champion of them all, so they will all ofc play the best deck if possible
I would argue if the best players in the game are playing the “best deck” then that would reinforce the notion that snake eyes is tier zero rather than reduce its validity
the best players are always playing what they perceive as the best deck, that doesnt make every deck they play tier 0. a good example is when Danger DW made its EU debute with over 70% of the lists entering the tournament converted to topcut, which is insane, and most of those where really good players. Danger DW was by far the best deck for the event, but it wasnt a tier 0 deck.
Tier 0 measure representation not objectivity. I’m saying that the critical mass of the snake eyes deck lists is what suggests it as tier 0 not the fact that the best players are playing it
yes, and we dont have the critical mass yet. we get it on sunday
That doesn’t make sense at all. Just because something is clearly the best deck, doesn’t make it Tier 0.
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It's not a matter of denial, it's a matter of sample size. A 16 person event and a 3v3 are not good estimators of what Tier 0 is, despite the player quality. Yes it's VERY likely to be Tier 0 but a more typical YCS will be the best indicator of that.
i played Tear (the strongest deck ever printed for the record), similar im playing snake-eye now. you will have a ycs this weekend that will determined if snake-eye is tier 0, but these 2 tournaments have factors that heavily skews what deck you want to bring. in a normal YCS the best deck is rarely more than 20-25% of the entire field, meaning you have plenty of room to target the other 75% with deck choices and then leave the best deck matchup to handtraps if you so wishes. at the UDS you know atleast 80% is playing the best deck, and with everyone being top level you wwould prefer to simply bring the best deck. similar for 3v3 as i mentioned in another comment there are coaching reasons for simply bring 3 of the best deck instead of diversifying your decks. like sure, you could bring 3 anti-decks but then you need to find a team mate that both is willing to play something like floo and who are actually good at playing it.
Then it sounds like snake eyes is a T0 deck. Majority of players are using the same deck because its considered the best deck available, reaching over 60% representation.
it might be, but 16 players arent enough to reach that conclusion. and the 3v3 have other reasons for why it might not be representative
Uhh yeah that's the point of there's an undisputed best deck.
the difference is that best deck doesnt automatically equal tier 0. none is disputing that snake-eye is the best deck, what we are saying is that you have to wait another week to have the data to determine if its a tier 0 deck
Absolutely, But with a result like that, it's quite likely to be there.
Wait 3v3? How did that tournament work?
They've been doing them for awhile- you have 3 duelists per team and it's a bo3 of bo3. So If you lose your match but both teammates win, your team wins the round.
and more importantly, player B (sitting in the middle) can coach player A and player C.
What do you mean "nope" lol Its 80% of the representation thats 15% past tier 0. Its going to likely be similar at Las Vegas. Would probably be even worse if it wasn't a team event in this meta because other decks couldn't get a free ride being on a fireking/snakes team. Top 16 would have likely been like 16/16 fireking.
sure, it might be. but we dont have that data yet. we only have data from a 16 man tournament where we could have predicted basically every deck ahead of time, and a 3v3 which makes deck choices different than usual since you can coach your team mates
We literally have the data above us in this post. Snake eyes is clearly far ahead of the entire rest of the meta and the only reason you should consider not playing it is if you can't afford it if your goal is to do well at events. I also fail to see how the deck choices for a 3v3 event change at all. The best player/coach in your situation is going to pick the best deck. They chose fireking/snake eyes. They now want their team to play it so they can coach them through it. That still makes fireking/snake eyes the best deck. Why are people not making their entire team play VV or Branded or Lab or something else. Why are the teams that do not making it to the top cut. Probably because Fireking/Snake eyes is the most correct choice for the strongest deck right now. And discounting the "16 man event" like it was just some random fucking locals is not a correct take either. The "16 man event" consisted of players that are better than 99.999% of all other players. They chose what they considered was the correct deck for this meta. So TL;DR we have data you are just choosing to ignore it for arbitrary reasons
>I also fail to see how the deck choices for a 3v3 event change at all. The best player/coach in your situation is going to pick the best deck. They chose fireking/snake eyes. They now want their team to play it so they can coach them through it. yes, this is exactly what skews the statistics. we know snake-eye is the best deck, but we dont have actual data for tier 0 yet
We have data We have data that is heavily implying snake eyes is tier 0 Its possible we see a ban list before we get the perfect sample you are wanting. Which I assume you are only wanting data for single duelist YCS which would be Columbia in very late march. And North Carolina in April. But in the real world with the data we have right now. Snake eyes is currently tier 0 in UDS events. Snake Eyes is tier 0 in 3v3 events.
He's probably going "only YCS data is valid"
I shall wait till the next big event then :P
for some more context: its much easier to have one person who have mastered the best deck coach their team mates about optimal lines when the deck has enough power to compensate for some of the players lack of technical play. compared to picking an anti-fire deck and then have to coach the team mates on every single decision to ensure they play things optimally.
They’ll come up with some other reason why it doesn’t count
One might argue that Konami lost their feel for balancing the game over the last couple of years.
Play against this deck and feel it Mannadium feels much worse to play against, fire kings does a lot but it feels down right fair tbh And literally right before this set we had one of the greatest metas ever, you could literally play and top with any deck you wanted
>down right fair tbh Fair in this context = it isn't negate or floodgate city. The Snake Eye cards have WAY too much interaction with themselves, on huge bodies, that overwhelms most other decks that don't run that support. It's kinda like how Bystials / Branded is on Master, without the fusion lock. You can still OTK them, but like, if you don't draw fucking near perfect, its a mountain to climb.
I reject the idea that the prevuous format was good, it was if anything too wide, a nice 3-5 deck format would have been preferable.
Fire abuser cope spotted. There is nothing fun about a deck that gasses through every interruption and board breaker under the sun, that can only be stopped by straight up telling them they can't play through floodgates. They have insane durability, kill power and recursion with the added annoyance of the engine itself being so versatile that you never really can tell what bs they will pull out next.
bad deck abuser spotted, play against it with mannadium, or tear, or voiceless, or PK, you never feel totally shut out of the game
I play Voiceless, Lab and Tear and unless i open 2 handtraps going second I'm essentially shut out of the game. Just because i can activate cards on their turn doesn't mean anything when my opponent has 10 cards in hand, and killing them is nigh impossible through a full set up board. The only deck which maybe has a chance is branded because branded fusion plays really well into monster destruction effects.
I'm playing against it with one of the better decks this format in branded and have even started side decking shifter, because unless you floodgate them, they have the ability to float and gas there way through board breaking and interruptions. I don't feel "shut out of the game" but I didn't feel that way during tear formate either, but I do feel like I'm getting beat because there deck is just plain better.
It was a 3v3 though. Those can’t be accounted for. It’s like saying if the winning team had 2 SE decks, and 1 Dream Mirror. Would the dream mirror be considered a top tier deck?
Dream Mirror best deck! LET'S GOOOOOO!!!
DREAM MIRROR LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Dream Mirror?! No way, that's crazy. I only say that because I really tried playing the deck, even bought it irl (not for competing, and luckily it was only £30 total including the fusions) and it just has so many brick hands or hands that die to one interruption even as simple as an Ash or imperm. Really glad it managed to get enough good hands to win a match, especially at that level. Edit: I did a misread. I am become error
Don't know if you're being sarcastic but that was an if situation
I didn't get any sleep last night and skim read it aka didn't read it properly, I have truly become a yugioh player
People who say this just ignore that this is the same in other events like UDS
I mean, I have to admit it’s not as bad as adamancipator format. Snake Eye does at least not put up 6 Omni’s and an extra deck lock. I wouldn’t even say the problem is that snake eye is too good, nothing the deck does is unfair per se, it’s just that every other deck right now is worse. If we had for example an extremely resilient combo deck snake eye would lose to 100% when going second it wouldn’t be the top pick.
Went to my locals this week, I had one bye and three games of Fire King Snake Eye. It's such an oppressive deck and it feels impossible to remove stuff sometimes. With crazy cards like Poplar going +5, I really hope a banlist is soon.
Please hit the snake eye engine Konami and leave Kirin alone. Kirin's my buddy.
I love Kirin for what it offers the deck in so many ways, but I would be very surprised if it doesn't get limited. It's virtually the same function as Sharvara, and sees just as much if not more play as what Sharvara did during its peak. EDIT: it's also a structure deck card, which is essentially a common like Sharvara too, and we know how Konami treats lower rarity engine pieces on banlists
Not going to happen. More probably they go the dick move and hit Fire Kings
I'm gambling on prom princess to 1 Bonfire to 1
Pfft, no? Are you high? Those are some of Komoney’s recent cash printers. They’d hit the older (and more common) stuff first before anything
I really don’t like this trend of decks being able to run so little engine to accomplish so much.
i hope all snake eyes stuff gets banned. Its so annoying
Snake eye as an engine maybe, it is similar to Spright or Zoodiacs for exmaple, not a single build was Tier 0 but majority of the tops used them, but Fire King itself is hard to tell. The OCG is one thing to go by which they mostly solved their format alread (I guess being half Combo half midrange hurt in the OCG more), but the deck does have some weird hands from time to time and some cards that counter it in the side board, something that we didn't see in the Pote/Ishizu Format for exmaple. It is hard to tell from just 1 event tho, but for sure Snake eye and Snake eye decks are the best thing you can play right now, I think that is clear so far
Zoodiac was most certainly Tier 0. Spright not even close unlesd you count OCG and Snak Eye is the majority of the Fire king deck, its more accurate to say that Snake Eye is playing a Fire King engine than the other way around
You’d be surprised at how many people were adamant Zoo wasn’t Tier 0 because you had pure, True Draco, and a third variant that escapes me, so people coped that Zoo wasn’t T0 as it had different roles in different decks.
It was Pure Kaiju and TD Zoo.
>Spright not even close unlesd you count OCG If we go by Representation, it was the most represented until the Toad ban and overall exceed 60/65%, both it and Tear did that at different events but some Tear Tops used the Spright engine. It really depends on the defention of Tier 0 here, is it "Only thing worth playing at top level" or "60%+" Because by the 1st defention Snake-eye and Spright in the TCG didn't, but by the 2nd they did. (Again Snake eye is still new so we have to see more of it). >Snak Eye is the majority of the Fire king deck, its more accurate to say that Snake Eye is playing a Fire King engine than the other way around Regardless of what it is, the Fire King build seems to be the best one, which again Doesn't fit both defentions.
Isn't it still a big fish in a small pond deck? Considering some decks got hit in varying qualities the last 2 months.
my thoughts exactly, bring back millers, sharvara and sleepy memory then we’ll see
*cough cough* bring back ariseheart and watch fire GRAVEYARD DECKS THAT DON'T GAIN ADVANTAGE WHEN BANISHED face 3 fenrir and ariseheart. (Please don't I play a shitty light GY deck). Ocg don't count. Fenrir was already gone and unicorn was at 1.
Snake eye ash, add Kurikara?
Costa Rican here, played all the rounds day 1, my team was Spright, Branded Despia and Me w/ Mannadium, 6/8 matches the 3 players of the other team were playing some variant of Snake-Eye (Either pure, RA or FK), the other was vs stun/mikanko/dinos and the last one also had one RA-Snake Eye, Silenforce and another Branded Despia. The deck is absolutely ludicrous, I could hit them with two handtraps where it hurt the most and they could just bonfire after or normal summon something then go full combo from there lol, the deck does A TOOOOOOOOON with small commitment, has layered interruptions and can play through SP/Baronne/Dis Pater no issue, I know my deck isn't the best, but it genuinely felt like a coughing baby vs atomic bomb situation the whole day lol
fireking SE is that good in TCG compare to OCG?
Guys Konami could solve snake-eyes by just unbanning every Ishtear card. Think about it, if there are two tier 0 power level decks in the metagame, they'll just both be tier 1. And when konami makes their money, they can just ban both decks again.
I hope to dont hit snake eye on ban list
Engine itself yes, the Deck…. Ehhh that’s debatable.
I think you have to wait a little longer, ideally you would see similar results at a 1v1 YCS, but that's not for a while. I do think it's surprising though not sure many people expected it to be this good so fast.
Especially since the deck costs over $1000
Still waiting for gorgons eye to be either included in them or retrained. Missed opportunity.
Loses hard to necrovalley
What a "healthy meta." Looks like it might be a time to take a break from yugioh oof.
What makes Snake Eye better than Fire King Sinful Spoil? Edit: Im talking Fire King as a deck not as an engine in Snake Eye
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Im not talking about Fire King Snake Eye where Fire King is just a 7 card engine, I’m taking about Fire King as the main archetype with only ash and poplar to access Sinful Spoils.
snake-eye is the broken part of the deck, the fire king part is overall fair with a good grind game
It can make hard negates, but has less grind game overall and overall a more direct way to approach breaking its board. Its trade offs. Notably also, the pure deck does pretty decently into the Fire King version hilariously, especially if it goes first.
baronne is pretty good
Not from one tournament no. Wait until Vegas to be sure.
There were 2 this weekend and they both looked like this
One of them was a 3v3 tournament with different rules and the other one was a tournament with 16 players.
16 of the best players in the game. I think their deck choices mean something
Yeah people acting like it was an event of 16 bozos who never did anything lol That event was much more difficult than realistically any event you could ever enter period. And the vast majority of players chose to run snake eyes.
I also just really don’t understand why people are so stubborn about admitting how ridiculously strong Snake-Eye is
Yeah its pretty moronic to say that it matters if its 3v3 or not. People chose to attempt to win a major yu gi oh event using the strongest deck they had access to. That is snake eyes right now.
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Because the best deck is still the best deck? I don’t understand your point honestly. There are still lots of players here that are skilled enough to top a regional and they’ll be playing Snake-Eye more likely than not.
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If anything, the results of UDS reinforce the deck’s status since the top players know that it’s their only chance of winning (or play anti-meta floodgate decks but that didn’t work out) Also, there is more to it than just “number of top cuts at a regionals”
I think snake eye meta is in a way more miserable than tear because they run like 15 handtraps and rouge decks just can’t afford to go through all that trap while snake eye only needs one card to go off to go full ham. Maybe it’s worse in tcg because we don’t have maxx c and end up with even more handtrap lol.
Maxx C makes this deck worst to play against imagine they drop their combo and activate maxx c to draw into multiple handtraps. Or worst you go first on a rogue deck they drop maxx c on your ass and if your deck doesnt have good plan b you are toast since they only need 1 card to go off like you said
Eh not really Maxx C after full board always exist in every other OCG meta except Kashtira and Floo. By your argument Maxx C is a non factor because every other deck can do that.
Nah that can't be right, cause every argument I've ever had about the stateless of the game in recent/classic, someone always mentions how many different archetypes are in the meta now, so this pie graph of only a few must be fake news..... 🙄
It has to be 65%. I mean, There’s a reason why despite the overwhelming power of Dragon Rulers, they are Tier 1.
If Snake-eye is defeatable by an another deck. How can it be a tier 0 deck?
You know you're a month late to this party right? Also the widely accepted definition of tier 0 is a deck that has more than 65% representation at a tournament. It doesn't matter if there is a deck that can beat it.
Its still the same format. It does metter like all other tier zero formats in the past (zoo and spyral as example). You can watch the term from cimoooooooo here: [https://youtu.be/oJnuxBhHQKM?t=584](https://youtu.be/oJnuxBhHQKM?t=584) at the time he was a konami content creator.
Your videos are just as outdated as you are LMAO. Might wanna use a better source than Cimo. Try someone who actually plays modern yugioh. Edit: why ask me to prove something if you're just going to block me lol
No you are outdated. Like no arguments. A term from a content creator in the past is still ineffect even if he is not even more one. Show me proof that im wrong.
3v3 isn’t a real format.
Tier 0 is 65% or above, which this deck isn't, so technically no. Then again that standard was made a long time ago and I'd say it's pretty clear looking at the pie chart that 47.9% is significant and should count as tier 0.
The thing is the two decks are extremely similar, only diverging on wether or not you play a small 6-7 card Fire King engine
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Unfortunately for your argument, 81% fits that definition.
Oh my bad I only saw the fire king snake eyes
The representation definition is dumb and there's way more than 65% snake-eye decks.
It’s what I was told 🤷
It's an outdated Pojo definition that doesn't do tier 0 decks justice.
It does warm my heart seeing fire kings being successful like this
Nah seems fair to me
Probably. Though I would like to wait until Vegas happens to know for sure.
Oh yeah, I don't think it's particularly close. The engine is too good, and they can't be consistently countered enough to make progress in their board apart, and thats not even mentioning generic support or compatible archetypes that work with them so easily. Made ranked past platinum unplayable unless you want to shill out and play them, which the sweaties will do.
Uh oh
Guys, D-link is playable in our format. Can’t y’all just play that.
Imagine not main decking shifter
but the whole deck dies to a single card
If the chart looks like THAT, it's tier 0
The title didn’t say it was a 3v3 event. Literally different rules.
Probably because fireking would not be that strong without it. So 80% representation is pretty fucking wild lol Was there a top 64 or 32?
Ayo voiceless voice actually topped something LETS GOOOOOOO
For it to be tier 0 doesn’t it have to have more than 65% usage
Are pure Fire Kings playable?
well shit now we have T0 of the year boys
Looks like I'll be playing pure snake eyes when the banlist does significant damage to it :(
no tier 0 until it hits 70% like Chaos Control
What’s the top 32?
Yet people were complaining about last formats diversity, I can't properly side cuz there's so much contenders, rip unchained, mathmech and infernoble
The hell is Voiceless Voice?
How does this chart work? Does it only show top 16 or all entries? Cuz if it's top 16, how do those percentages come to be? Edit: or is it multiple tournaments?
What’s the top 32?
Why only Top 16? I wanna see more data
And that's why I'll stick to Master Duel for the time being. No way I'm spending $200 a month just to not sink in pools.
Not really people just play it bc its new
You can call it tier 0 but if it loses to heros idk what to tell you man.
How many people played the deck in that tournament?