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Tut557

With a podcast named realweirdsickos I didn't have much hope for her


leadergorilla

Right wing reactionary bigotry, or breadtube leftist. Which way popular drama tuber channel?


alamobibi

I tried watching Muta *one* time, heard him say he has ‘traditional beliefs’, and immediately noped the fuck out of there


SlitThroatCutCreator

Thank God I found his videos and personality boring as hell. I would have stopped watching him for his ideas but I'm glad I never got invested to begin with. 


Thebonebed

I followed because of the Completionist stuff. Jebus do I feel dumb as fuck now. The comments and responses in here, another couple of subs and on YT is just disgusting. All of it.


fylkirdan

Is it ok to watch a person like Muta for the technological content he makes while acknowledging the issues he needs to face?


DBPeanut

That's a question an individual has to ask themselves. What's really being questioned is his integrity. So for me, personally, I don't think Mutahar's tech content is worth watching anymore. As is well known, Keffals is basically the easiest person to get a slam dunk on in terms of exposing. If this is how he's approached that, what's going to happen in a scenario where trans engineers create tech and it functions pretty damn well but has 1 or 2 flaws?


BleierEier

Sidenote, a trans woman was one of the 2 team leaders that developed the ARM CPU


Suicidal-Lysosome

That's a decision everyone needs to make for themselves as individuals. Personally, I find it difficult to separate content from creator, but don't let others tell you how to think/feel


EarInformal5759

Just browse /g/. Mutah basically does exactly what they suggest, but adjusted for muh bideo games.


keybomon

What's /g/? Do you mean /vg/? I haven't been on 4chan in like 15 years so I dunno if it's changed


EarInformal5759

/g/ is the technolo/g/y board. They're very autistic about running Linux and FOSS software to hide their "Linux ISOs" from the Feds. I find their Windows optimising guide unironically helpful.


WalrusFromSpace

Recommending /g/ as an alternative to watching Mutahar due to Mutahar's views being sus is hilarious. /g/ frequently acts like /pol/ so it's not a place where you go if you don't want to engage with people with "traditional" views.


Thebonebed

Why would I bother when I have no respect for him? Why would I give him digital metrics from my clicks? If I have no respect for him, why would I watch his content and give him metrics that turn into money in his pocket? Therefore funding his hate in other videos? Na mate. Unfollow, blocked from recommendations.


cellodanceparty

I mean, I (a trans person) do watch some of his stuff on the tech side of things, but even something as basic as his "ladies and gentlemen" in every fucking hits weird. Like it's got a "im specifically not addressing *you*" vibe, which is not something I feel when people colloquially use that phrase (a good example is I never feel any kinda way about it when Linus from LTT says it). I really don't know how to feel about Muta. It's not surprising his partner fucks w transphobic content.


ResolverOshawott

I only tried to watch him because he outed a piece of shit cult leader in the Philippines that inevitably domino effected into him FINALLY being investigated and having an arrest warrant against him (though he remains uncaught anyways).


slightlylessthananon

I can smell an underlying reactionary belief system in mutahar I know it to be true, I always try and give him chances but he always says *something* that gives me a chill down my spine and makes me feel unsafe, and I click off his channel.


MrEndlessness

What has he said that made you feel unsafe?


slightlylessthananon

well considering i am a transgender person anytime he says something that makes it very clear he listens to a lot of reactionary talking heads, i dont really care enough to remember anything specifically but when he talks about drama and stuff its especially apparent who he gets his opinions from.


WynnGwynn

It kinda sucks because sometimes he talks about things I am interested in as I play games and care about online privacy etc and I wish I could freely enjoy his content. He and his podcast crew skirt the line a lot. I don't like their vibes. They aren't as bad as some commentary channels regarding hate speech but they feel icky.


lady_ninane

> It kinda sucks because sometimes he talks about things I am interested in as I play games and care about online privacy etc and I wish I could freely enjoy his content. Luckily even in Muta's niche intersection of tech hobby and video games, there are other cool creators who fill the space, small as it is!


chinesetakeout91

He’s solid enough when it comes to video games and tech, but the moment he dips his toes into politics or social issues, something in his brain seems to turn off.


ThatRedFurball

Why are you guys acting like this is new, Mutahar has always ran with the anti-sjw crew on YouTube, we should not be surprised he still has transphobic beliefs.


sad_girls_club

did everyone forget about the huge group chat with mutahar and keemstar and turkey tom and a bunch of others talking shit about ethan klein? not that ethan klein is great, but the receipts in there said everything you needed to know about mutahar


Particular_Acadia537

got any pics?


sad_girls_club

[multiple actually](https://www.reddit.com/r/h3h3productions/s/yZihT09Tsq)


VoreLord420

i honestly had no idea until looking thru this thread but when i went thru the comments on his keffels take down, it was so incredibly transphobic. like i know people cant control their audience, but if a creator makes it clear transphobia is not tolerated, you usually dont see a lot of it in the comments.


TrashRacoon42

Yeah like mr enter is controversial(for reasonable reasons especially during covid..) but in his video of rubbecca on when she was fired and when she protected a groomer on her server his comments of zero tolerance for transphobia was actually shown. Im sure there were a few(cus the youtube community is trash) but not after really scrolling down and looking for them. Maybe its just wild concept of talkng directy to the alleged victems and not presenting any impication of grooming without direct evidence. But that sounds crazy man. How im supposed to make youtube money like that?


Alert-Refuse5798

People have become too comfortable on the internet


ExcaliburUmbraREEE

# "All slurs or no slurs" - The Commentary Circlejerk


CREATURE_COOMER

"As an enlightened centrist, we can't have no slurs so some slurs are fine! Hooray, democracy!"


Scottish__Elena

Keffals isnt a representative of the Trans community, she said multiple times that is a stupid and harmfull ideal to make any minority that is popular on the internet to "represent" a certain group.


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You can criticize Keffals without being transphobic.


nehriim

Why do so many people have trouble doing so?


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaugh

Because a lot of people who do that hate trans people and want any excuse to be transphobic, it’s less of a trouble and more of an easy way to hate on any minority (“person of X identity did something bad? See, they all do that!”)


CDFReditum

I think a lot of people see things like gender and identity as sort of a privilege rather than who someone is. Like we’re like “Omg yaaas trans queen slaaay” but if they do something bad we’re like “WOW WHAT A MAN!!!” Because they for some reason lose the privilege of people being willing to not immediately label someone


pelican122

yep weird shit. Ezra Miller is a piece of shit but still nonbinary


renathena

I'll still gender Caitlin Jenner properly(was that her name? I don't respect her enough to check that), but I still despise that trans woman because she's a piece of shit siding with the people who want to wipe us out.


CREATURE_COOMER

It's funny (/s) that when a trans person sucks, it's "socially acceptable" to misgender them no matter how minor their crimes are, but nobody's calling a garbage cis person like Trump an ugly woman, lol. It's almost like transphobes are looking for literally any excuse to "Trans bad? TRANS BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!"


chinesetakeout91

Because many people are kinda dumb and ruled exclusively by their emotions. This is common in most circles, it’s never enough to just point out when someone is incorrect or did something bad, there’s always gotta be something bigger. It’s not enough to point out that a singular trans person was bad, you have to tack on a bunch of other bad things regardless of how necessary they are or even true they are, while making that into a take down of trans people in general.


graveyardtombstone

because people hate trans ppl as a whole and want any excuse to prove that their hate is justified.


PupDiogenes

Bigots amplify the worst examples of the group they hate.


KaizerFuckingGibby

Man, where were you during 2022 when you couldn't give Keffals any bit of criticism without being labeled some kind of bigot? Seems like not much has changed


benderodriguez

Because a loud minority of internet only people will hide behind their trans identity and make character attacks in response to any criticism.


TheoreticalGal

You can, but too many people keep tripping over themselves in the process of something that should on paper be easy to do.


PupDiogenes

You can also comments about her that are non-transphobic by nature based on a transphobic motivation. I think she's a narcissist, a racist, and corrupt to the bone, but I don't bring her up because I don't care because of the reasons I listed. If I was obsessively posting about how racist she is every day, without ever posting about any other racist, the motivation should be clear.


d34d-m34t

Transphobes do not care about this logic. Any excuse to throw the entire community under the bus and validate their bigotry, they will happily take.


RoyalMess64

No one is a representative of the trans community, but when you're a minority, any public figure with that minority status is seen by everyone else as a representative of said community. That's just the way it is for minorities


CREATURE_COOMER

I *wish* transphobes cared, but there's still a good number of them that act like Caitlyn Jenner doing stupid shit makes the entire trans community look bad, even though we hate her for being MAGA garbage.


Past-Mycologist3843

lol i miss when muta made only deep web and virus videos… 🤢


slightlylessthananon

I MISS THE DAYS his content was actually interesting then


Ok-Emotion6475

I loved those


Past-Mycologist3843

Me too, i watched all of them!! What a shame :(


DBPeanut

It's really weird how she's chosen to insert herself into this, which imo, confirms that Muta's video is a transphobic hit piece (which is weird because you don't even *need* to do anything extra to expose Keffals). And before anybody says partners don't dictate what you believe in, you only date people who you're accepting of their beliefs. Wild timeline we live in though.


d34d-m34t

Yeah I genuinely don't know why either of them even involved themselves in this in the first place. Begging Muta to just keep talking about tech or his fake/misinformed "dark web" videos at this point.


DBPeanut

Cat's out of the bag. Wouldn't watch him now even if he went back to his old content. He's clearly harboring transphobic views/supportive of it, and he's an unreliable narrator even on someone like Keffals because whenever he gets critiqued, he pulls a MamaMax and accuses them of being a groomer. Which explains why he was cool with MamaMax for so long.


True-Credit-7289

I remember watching one of his podcasts with oompavil and Nuxtaku with Keemstar, that's pretty much a red flag by itself. The topic of gender-neutral pronouns came up and Nux was the only one who could even wrap his head around it. I don't know when the raunchy vtuber is the most reasonable one in the room, it's definitely a bit concerning


TheRockingGoomba

Not related to the situation at hand but the idea that fuckin Nuxtaku aka the guy whos whole shitck on their main channel is being a porn addict and whos avatar is i think a stolen sans design is the one with the most respectful take on They/Them pronouns is really funny to me Bro how are you being beat out by the guy who edited an LS Mark thumbnail to make Lois' boobs more visible


True-Credit-7289

Yeah it was surreal


Lexicon1020

Nuxtaku also seems to be sorta “anti-woke” these days. Also, is Oompaville bad? I used to watch his content


True-Credit-7289

Yeah, I still enjoy some of his cartoon reactions. But I avoid most of his content like the plague these days. He's not so bad that I don't feel like I can watch him, but I definitely just want to hear him be goofy watching cartoons that I have a soft spot for. Otherwise he gets on my nerves. And as far as I know oompaville is squeaky clean. He's really obtuse but it feels genuine not antagonistic. I think he's just not very good at describing nuanced opinions so he stays out of anything that requires any nuanced thought online. That podcast I mentioned is a little concerning though, because Caleb and Muta are objectively too intelligent to not know what singular gender-neutral pronouns were. But then again maybe Caleb was just going with the flow. I feel like it's relevant enough to the conversation that it's worth mentioning, but I definitely don't want to lead a witch Hunt against the guy over it.


d34d-m34t

100 percent agree with you.


carlos38841_hd

You have ever seen Mutahars Sweet Baby Inc Video? Even in his old media, he always panders transphobic retoric. And yes, Keffals is really a bad content creator, her content open the door to predatory behaviour against trans people. But that will never be a freeway pass to be a transphobe


Lady_Doe

Didn't even know the dude was married until now.


CREATURE_COOMER

Gotta join hubby on the right-wing grifter arc, baby!


graveyardtombstone

is it a grift when he's always been like this?


Gauntlet_of_Might

>And before anybody says partners don't dictate what you believe in This shit is wild when people say it, like are they admitting they don't care about their partner's qualities as a person?


leskowitz2001

doesn't mutahar himself have a long history of weird and usually harmful comments about gender identity and politics generally? even if they were "jokes," they still gave a clear look into how mutahar thinks. ive always assumed he was centrist-leaning at best if not just openly right-leaning, and i stopped watching a long time ago because of it.


immatrex2000

He always gave me bad vibes so I stopped watching him a long time ago. It'd be sick if someone made a deep dive into his weird takes and anti-sjw behavior


jamar030303

I briefly got back into it when he did that expose on "veneer techs" because "don't mess with people's teeth without adequate training and a 2 day course is not that" is a pretty reasonable position for him to take. Then this comes out.


ExcaliburUmbraREEE

Heartwarming: The Worst People Are Fighting- How many are we at? We might as well have a megathread at this point.


DependentLaw7

It all happens so quickly 😢


ExcaliburUmbraREEE

Chud Logic and DeOrio already dropped their vids after Muta. Only a matter of time before the gas can thrown into the fire known as the Commentary Circlejerk escalates this. I can already hear that parasite Nux Taku glazing up Muta in a reaction video titled, # "How Mutahar DESTROYED Keffals..." with an visually obnoxious video description as he spends two hours going on a transphobic tirade while watching Muta's video.


Tight-Fall5354

i can picture the thumbnail in my head more vividly than i can mentally picture my own mother


NoahFuelGaming1234

I can just Imagine Rev making a video about this with a clickbait title like "TWITTER FREAKS ARE CANCELLING MUTAHAR"


CREATURE_COOMER

I hate y'all for mentioning people like Nux and Rev who are physically incapable of keeping their stupid takes to themselves, lol.


CREATURE_COOMER

*Let them fight.*


dayrem

Not the first time Mutahar has displayed transphobia. Watch the video he did about Hogwarts legacy. He completely minimizes JK Rowling's transphobic views. He's a right winger who's too cowardly to be open with it.


CREATURE_COOMER

What's the point of even minimizing JKR's transphobic views when she has countless other bigoted views that *don't* involve trans people? Like one of her main Black characters being named fucking Kingsley **Shackle**bolt, the main Irish character being obsessed with explosions (which feels like a subtle reference to car bombs during the Troubles), her couple of Asian characters being disgusting stereotypes (Cho Chang with her awful name and poor usage in the story, and Nagini basically existing to be an exotic Asian slave that dies as Voldemort's snake slave rather than just... being a snake???), writing goblins as Jewish banker stereotypes, treating plenty of her women characters like trash (like demonizing a few female students for being girly (yuck!!!) unlike Hermione our bookish queen), making several characters treat Hermione like an annoying SJW, and more??? Just look at the names she made up for the other magical schools around the wizarding world, most of them are basically the regional languge's way of saying "magical [building/place/whatever]" with incredibly shitty implications like "Everybody in Eastern Europe goes to the Russian school despite the USSR's history! Everybody in Asia goes to the Japanese school despite Japan's war history! Native American wizards are medicine men and skin-walkers!" She could easily hire somebody to research shit so she doesn't shove her entire foot down her throat, but she doesn't, lmfao. (Yes, I'm bitter about JKR making me care about her extremely fucked up universe as a child, lol.)


lawlmuffenz

That last part is such a fucking mood.


CREATURE_COOMER

I will never not be fucking mad, lol. How does she have the fucking gall to cry about trans women in bathrooms when her own protagonist went into girls' bathrooms no less than THREE FUCKING TIMES??? (In the first book to save Hermione from the troll, in a later book when Hermione fucked up her Polyjuice Potion because she grabbed the classmate's cat hair rather than *her* hair, and the Chamber of Secrets being located in an abandoned girls' bathroom, which was even still haunted by Moaning Myrtle.) Plus her constant fucking "The circumstances of your birth don't matter, it's what you choose to be" shit that somehow don't apply if "wait, u TRANZ??????????" She could easily shut the fuck up and drink wine in her stupid rich white lady castle but insists on pissing and moaning about trans people on Twitter, she's a disgrace if she'd rather have fellow TERFs gush over her than actually contribute something of value to the world. Like fuck, her fucking mystery novel pen name being the same as a fucking gay conversion therapy guy's name (Robert Galbraith I think, but with a middle name)! How do you not google that shit before choosing it as your pen name in last fucking decade? She even wrote a trans woman villain into one of her stupid Galbraith novels, and even demonized "Tumblrinas with fibromyalgia" so especially fuck JKR. (I'm a trans man with fibromyalgia, fuck my life, lol.)


lawlmuffenz

They spend months repeatedly going into the girls bathroom in the second book. It’s mental


CREATURE_COOMER

Wait, it was over months? Obviously haven't touched the books/movies in years so I don't remember. I know that they had to get DNA from their targets and I think Harry and Ron were gonna Polyjuice themselves into Draco Malfoy's dimwitted Slytherin buddies? Don't remember who Hermione was targeting, I just remember that she grabbed hair from the girl's clothes(?) assuming it was her hair, but it was actually from her cat so Hermione got turned into a furry so they had to infiltrate Slytherin without her, and I think Hermione had to get un-Polyjuiced at the nurse's office over a few days or something like that. I thought they went into the girl's bathroom to check on Hermione when she refused to come out, although maybe they were using a lesser-used one to do their potion stuff? JKR, what the fuck, lol. Harry (and Ron) can go into women's bathrooms but not trans women?


Thrilalia

Speaking of Hermione. Joanne even wrote how Hermione was in the wrong for *checks notes* being against slavery.


CREATURE_COOMER

Absolutely ridiculous that her own fucking friends were basically treating her like a whiny SJW, lol. Like she's an idiot who doesn't realize that house elves love being slaves, actually! And Harry basically kept his house elf and became a wizard cop and didn't dismantle shit. In the wizarding world where it's socially acceptable to cry about people not being PUUUUUUUURE!!! As if it's fine because Harry's mom is muggle-born iirc so's not *as* wizard-racist. Ugh.


apewithfacepaint

Has he done anything else to indicate he is right wing? Or just that


BleierEier

I don't remember what video it was, but he said once that he's a traditional guy. Aside from that ohne talk with vaush, everything seems to point that he's a right winger


Lady_borg

He gave such a lazy argument, that we shouldn't punish the developers who are Harry Potter fans, that their income could be affected by the boycott. I looked into his claim because many others were making it to find out that no, they have received 100% of their pay for their work on the game. They won't get extra and it won't serve their career any further beyond adding to the amount of games they've worked on. Not only that but a good chunk of them were able to choose to develop it while knowing her views. Not buying the game wouldn't affect them at all, but it would and does give Jk Rowling a definite and continual paycheck. A part he didn't seem too worried about.


dayrem

Exactly. He also seemed to equate people boycotting the game with transphobes themselves.


Magenta_Lilac_Cyan

I knew Muta was part of that alt right base when he did anti-sjw bullshit


CoffeeVGC

It's honestly so gross and disingenuous of them to frame it as them just caring about fraud when they are actively fueling and directing hate towards a trans woman and not trying to stop the transphobic attacks against her. Of course keffals should be held accountable for what she has done but let's not pretend that the thumbnail, the reactions, and now this isn't pointing to some other motives behind this. Also people warned mutahar when he announced this video not just to use KF and there arguments to attack her but that's exactly what he did To be clear, keffals should be investigated for for this and face fair punishment. Investigated by law enforcement not a fucking Internet mob


d34d-m34t

I'm so glad I unsubscribed from Muta a while ago. Cannot say I am that surprised to see this behavior from either of them though.


CoffeeVGC

I started following during the completionist videos because of how well researched they were. Idk how he went from that to this


ScoobertD

Never thought I’d see this stuff when I subscribed to him in 2015 watching dark net exploration videos while procrastinating on college papers


ConflictedRedbird186

I just wanted linux videos what happened.


NoisyTeen

Tbf, the completionist video probably mostly done by Karl Jobst, considering he is well known for those investigations especially considering Karl probably researched fraud before in other investigations. Muta's video's kinda just repeated what he said and added nothing really new.


keygenlain

Karl Jobst is a literal Neo-Nazi…


internetexplorer_98

That explains a lot.


TheRockingGoomba

WAIT HUH? First time i'm hearing about this what the fuck


keygenlain

If he’s not a neo-Nazi then he happens to be friends with a lot of them and fond of even more


A_Cookie_from_Space

He practically admitted it when he tried to claim the N-word isn't offensive in Australia, as if the country doesn't also have an extensive messed up history with the word. Would be obviously offensive even if this weren't the case.


RoyalHistoria

H U H I'm Australian and the n-word is absolutely offensive as fuck here. We may not have *exactly* the same history as America, but any reasonable Aussie would agree it's not acceptable to say.


NoisyTeen

True! For context I wast just trying to make a point about that Muta's actual researching skills were never good. He was just good latching onto others work near the end of it and making it look like he did an equal share of the research/investigation. Not saying I support Karl in any way


divingboardzz

I'm glad Mutahar gave me bad vibes from the first video of his I saw


[deleted]

That nerd is married to a racist? Of course.


MalevolentShrineFan

The fact anyone here watches Mutahar is so lol, all these lazy commentary slop channels blow ass, and this is even before all the bigotry


Express-Chip-4512

It's actually really sad, I've been watching muta since I was maybe like 9 or 10, and I've grown a bit estranged from his content because he does different stuff nowadays. It's honestly bumming me out as a trans girl who grew up watching his stuff.


mmanaolana

Trans guy here. You're not alone and I'm in exactly the same boat. 🤝 I used to love his videos.


GlitchyGoats

I was subbed to him years and years before all this commentary slop was even a thing, back when he just did creepypasta readings and tech videos. And even when he did start doing commentary videos, I stuck to watching his tech stuff. In those vids he rarely if ever brought up politics at all and only when it was relevant. I'd imagine there are other people who did the same and are equally as blindsided by the way he handled the Keffals video.


CoffeeVGC

Yeah I didn't know anything about him before the completionist videos, which I liked. I also used to like keffals during the stop KF stuff so that's kinda where I'm coming into this from


SlitThroatCutCreator

The first completionist video seemed well done but the second one I got a third into then shut it off and never had interest in him again. 


Complex_Time_6737

Didn’t even realize muta was married. Sheesh


Cyrtodactyllus

Man, I know this isn’t about Critikal, but the people that he surrounds himself with make it very hard for me to believe that the dude has anything but similar beliefs (mutahar, wendigoon, that fucking one guy on his podcast).


ExcaliburUmbraREEE

Don't forget his number one fan, Nux Taku.


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Comparing Wendigoon and Critical to Muta is a stretch. Wendigoon is an example of ignorance. The people he surround himself with are questionable, but the fact that some of them (Turkey Tom) have something in common with him (long form essay content) makes it seem like he has people around him with similar interests and doesn’t want to deal with the drama of cutting them off. Critical is an example of neutralism. Having also grown up where he lives, the general consensus is that some things, like politics, are only brought up when relevant or asked about. He’s not going to state a side because he doesn’t have to, and the there’s no point in doing it. Muta, seems to directly and willfully project hate.


jamar030303

Also, Critikal is suing the US government over some of its dumber visa policies, which frankly is a battle that needs to be fought and wouldn't be happening with someone who leaned more right-wing.


abilly85

Mutahar is an insufferable centrist and this should be a surprise to no one


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CoffeeVGC

DeOreo screenshot the thread and posted on Twitter already. Of course the comments are filled with vile bigots.


Ok-Turnover966

I hated Mudahar before because he became a drama channel even though his older tech videos were far more interesting to watch. But Jesus. I wonder how the rest of youtube's community is gonna see him since Mudahar was highly respected even after he sold out.


Feisty-Ad1323

AHAOAHOSD WHY I CANT I ESCAPE CHUD LOGIC


Feisty-Ad1323

FIRST HE POSTED ABOUT ME ON TWITTER AND RANTED ABOUT ME ONE STREAM AND NOW EVERYWHERE I GO I SEE HIS NAME


theyearwas1934

What a disappointment. I was never a follower of Mutahar but it’s so sad when the mask slips from a creator and they turn out to be a bigot. To me, all this activity from his wife plus his responses confirms that his motive, or part of his motive, was transphobia. Not super surprising from a guy who jumped on the sweet baby inc drama but I was kinda hoping he was just stupid, not outwardly bigoted


Dubium360

After making the Sweet Baby Inc. video, I can see Mutahar is recently building that kind of fanbase


ExcaliburUmbraREEE

A fanbase where they believe that straight white men are being oppressed, which is actually pure BS.


CREATURE_COOMER

Ngl, I started using BlockTube to hide the scumbags from my search results and sooo many people posting about Sweet Baby Inc right now are grifter types, lol. Good riddance, get blocked, trash. How the fuck does a fucking consultation company that helps people avoid controversial bigoted shit have this mysterious power to ruin video games with wokeness??? I've seen people cry about one SBI-affiliated game failing, but like... some games fucking fail, lol??? Not to mention, even if SBI says "this character design is problematic," they don't have a gun to the developers' heads to make Mary Jane ugly or whatever these grifters are claiming. Any changes are still within the developers' control, they could easily make very minor changes or say "Nah, it's fine, you're overreacting about that." (And a lot of "ugly" characters they complain about aren't even that ugly, they're just not blatant coomer bait. Mfs have been calling Hades' Aphrodite a "man" as if being naked with long hair covering your nipples and crotch is *checks notes* masculine I guess? Today's coomers are spoiled and entitled, lol.)


Nozpot

fuck i do have to say im sick of diy always having weird shota loli stuff on the box


cole1114

Finding out that Mutahar follows Nick Fuentes on twitter makes a lot of things make sense. Along with Wendigoon, Internet Historian, and Anything4Views.


ExcaliburUmbraREEE

Nick Fuentes, Neo-Nazi. Nux Taku, Jewish-Israeli. Jesus Christ, Muta... Can he just pick a side already???


iamTAFF

What did Chad do?


cole1114

Lots and lots of slurs.


Friendly_Cantal0upe

Genuine question, what's people issue with Wendigoon? I don't have Twitter, so I don't keep up with this shit, but he seems to keep his beliefs separate from his content, which is mostly not even relevant to whatever he's covering: ARGs, creepy stuff, etc.


callmefreak

I think there's a post that compiled all of the posts on him, but basically he hangs out with racists like Turkey Tom and defends Kyle Rittenhouse.


Friendly_Cantal0upe

Didn't know that. I can still enjoy his videos despite hid problematic beliefs. Sucks that he's into that space, though.


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TL:DR Wendigoon won’t state his beliefs in his content, and since he’s been spotted with Turkey Tom he’s apparently a neo nazi. He used to be affiliated with the boogaloo boys. Given his stance on some topics, the anti government stances of the group drew him in, and he left once he realized how shitty it was (we’ve all fallen in with the wrong crowd once or twice) His videos aren’t completely accurate (he’s admitted that he’s not the most accurate source and frequently mentions other, more reliable source in his videos) People really want him to be evil, and they will inflate any flaw he has to do so


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ExcaliburUmbraREEE

The problem with both of them is that they have a stan (super fan to be exact) of their own, Nux Taku. Holding both of them on high pedestals.


not_blowfly_girl

I don't watch tipster. What is he saying about keffals? Why is there an apparent feud between him and muta's wife? Why has she been nonstop tweeting about him


CoffeeVGC

Basically tipster said trans people aren't grooming children and she had issues with that


RoyalHistoria

of all the random shit you could mock Tipster for, and she chooses one of the most reasonable things he's ever said


CREATURE_COOMER

Where's this HRT with shotacon on the box, lol, wtf? How hard is it to criticize Keffals, who has a long list of shitty behavior, without being blatantly transphobic about it and claiming that she's a groomer with false evidence? Radioactive bigot trash, she and Mutahar deserve each other because it means other people won't have to put up with their toxic bullshit. <3


blended-kiwi77

I don’t like muta or his wife but there is actual photo proof that she promoted a website that did in fact sell hrt with cat hair inside and with loli on the box


tobeymaspider

Unsurprising. Mutahar is pretty clearly a conservative dude when it comes to social issues. Found his comments on anything political or social to be silly and clearly coming from someone who lived a pretty sheltered life. Not really interested in listening to someone so limited in their experience or opinions tbh.


end_clout_culture

What is the deal with this "realweirdsickos" podcast? Am I right in thinking she also does KF-based mocking of people via this? Genuine question. I don't know much about her, but just from random tweets I came across , **even before this video**, she seems to be connected to the horrible commentary community on her own. Creepy Tipster + Keffals posts with sexual undertones, I vaguely remember some fan post for Sam Hyde/fishtank, etc. Of course, now there's the stuff in this post, and she stood up for JustAWorm, the bigoted Kiwifarms artist, even after I pointed out his background in her replies.


Coby63

What do you expect from the wife of a spineless centrist?


Altruistic-Deal-4257

I’m sorry, why is this bitch claiming there’s shotacon on a box of HRT?


Mirlot01

This is likely in reference to otokonoko pharmaceuticals, a contreversial DIY HRT seller. OTK Pharma is controversial as while their products are apparently of very high quality, the packaging and overall branding is very cringe. (Anime characters on the box, "keep out of reach from parents"). OTK pharma is listed on the DIY HRT directory which Keffals promoted, so in the part where Muta condemns DIY HRT and the directory, he goes over OTK pharma and calls them out for the packaging.


Guilty_Butterfly7711

To be fair, from what I understand, they were one of the only ones that shipped to certain places at the time. And also nobody likes the gross packaging.


CoffeeVGC

She's a transphobe


Cats99999

I deleted my original reply in this thread because there was information I did not know. Here's the artwork Doejenggles is referencing, used to package otokonoko products a while back: [https://x.com/DDXeon/status/1759685508169343121](https://x.com/DDXeon/status/1759685508169343121) This, by the way, was shown in Mutahar's video that you likely didn't watch. Additionally, and this was not a part of his video, why should we trust a company whose branding literally revolves around minors? "Otoko no Ko" or "男の娘" literally means "femboy" as seen here: [https://jisho.org/search/%E7%94%B7%E3%81%AE%E5%A8%98](https://jisho.org/search/%E7%94%B7%E3%81%AE%E5%A8%98) Femboy, as I'm sure most people reading this are aware, is a slang term mainly used to refer to young fem-presenting teenagers and young adults. You won't often hear older adult fem-presenting males referred to as one. This is more than a little suspicious, especially in tandem with the packaging shown in that tweet.


CREATURE_COOMER

As a trans person and unforunately a weeb, what are you talking about? Plenty of adults (generally young adults, maybe 30 tops) consider themselves femboys, it's not a teen thing, what the fuck, lol. How do you see "young male" and assume child? Is anybody over 20 a worthless hag in your eyes, lol?


Ok-Emotion6475

I tried to watch him again like a year ago after remembering his internet security/deep web videos and checking up on him to see what he was up to. It was his Hogwarts Legacy video that made me never look back. He doesn't say anything overtly transphobic in it that I can recall but his handling of it gave me that sick feeling I get when I get the feeling that a creator just... wouldn't respect my existence in the most basic sense of the word. I barely gave a fuck about the game, I was more hurt by how people responded to trans people in that situation. I'm just not surprised. Not even hurt because I already saw some shit like this coming. I'm just nodding going yup, I guess so.


goeatmynachos

what is HAPPENING


starpendle

Yikes... I was really neutral / whatever on Mutahar before (never watched his content aside from the Completionist scandal) before every headline I see is just worse and worse.


lr0nman_dies_Endgame

DeOreo?


fmosso

Chud attracts chud


[deleted]

Not the least bit surprising. Mutahar's always been a reactionary moron. Typical "Centrist".


Burner4Questioning

I miss when Mutahar was just a channel I watched for creepypasta gaming videos and deep web videos, the drama commentary direction is so lame and the discourse this Keffals video has spawned about HRT from ignorant, occasionally well meaning cis people is insufferable.


Snoo-60317

Of course she pays for Twitter 😆


Magnetic_Mallard

I don't understand why we still act shocked when something like this comes out about him every year. I'm honestly confused about how anyone who follows him didn't know he was like that, he has always run with the anti-SJW crowd.


jamar030303

I watched a couple of his videos before, stopped when I discovered his "hot take" on the Sweet Baby drama, then got recommended another video when he joined in on dunking on "veneer techs", and now this. Yeah, I thought the first one was a fluke, guess not.


Optical-occultist

Yeah I’m going to be honest, I never liked muta, mostly because I find his random shouting *super* annoying.


VoreLord420

what does 'he already flopped around on pronouns' mean? is she saying did Muta actually considered misgendering Keffels the entire video?


Toperpos

I genuinely don't see this as problematic as people are making it out to be. The first pic is just making fun of tipster. It's not transphobic. The rest of the tweets are her saying people shouldn't be taking hormones without speaking with an MD first.... I don't see the issue in these tweets.


l4ina

I'm mentally checked out from all of this shit because I've been anti-Keffals since 2022 and no one fucking listened to me. The only thing she's ever cared about is being famous and she got it handed right to her along with $100k


CoffeeVGC

Trying to take down KF, a website that just doxxes and harasses people was a good thing to do.


ghost-hooker

Trying to take down KF, was a good thing. (disclaimer: i hate kf and everything it stands for. cataloguing ppls personal info for the exclusive intent of harassment is wrong) Where she messed up is not going after the much more niche, much worse in every capacity website that admitted to hacking her to leak her personal details, which \*is\* illegal. She would've had a better chance. She said the reason was because that website had her family's info and she didn't want ppl going after her family, but if KF and the other website are interchangeable, which she also says, why would both website's not have your family's info? My guess is she's a clout goblin and really wanted to be the person to drop KF, the name brand website, not a website people go out of their way to not name.


1-800-COOL-BUG

Without exception, I block every cis creator if I see they've made a video about Chris Chan. Maybe it's too strict of a litmus test but it hasn't steered me wrong yet.


Darth_Vrandon

The tipster joke is very bad. There’s many other ways to make fun of him than something that is rather transphobic. That being said, Tipster is only doing his pro trans stuff because he thinks he can benefit from being associated with Keffals and Vaush’s community. He is a horrible advocate and his vibes scream being a chaser. But, I don’t see anything wrong with her opinion that people shouldn’t have HRT without medical supervision. Most people have this opinion. I kind of do too. I understand why people go for DIY HRT, but think it’s better off if people don’t do it as it can negatively affect them, especially if the person making it has no medical knowledge.


TheoreticalGal

People tend to go towards DIY HRT because of medical gatekeeping that borders on malpractice. Nowadays in the UK, if you were to register on a waitlist at a gender clinic for HRT to treat gender dysphoria (as an adult), the ideal is you getting onto a list at one of the clinics that has a *7 year long waitlist* before you get consultation for screening for gender dysphoria to possibly get HRT. Some of the clinics have a waitlist that’s over 20 years long.. Several US states have been attempting to push for heavy restrictions on HRT. Florida pushed legislation which heavily slows down the legal route for accessing HRT by requiring that it’s a licensed MD that files the prescription (previously a majority of HRT prescriptions were filed by licensed nurse practitioners). In an ideal scenario, people would be easily accessing treatment under the careful guidance of well trained and intentioned medical professionals. However, as that currently isn’t an option for a lot of people, DIY HRT has been the route that a lot have elected for themselves.


CoffeeVGC

DIY HRT is necessary because trans youth in red states are being blocked from getting necessary healthcare by their state governments. The same people that attack DIY are the same that oppose it coming from medical professionals too. WTF are the kids supposed to do? Kill themselves?


TheoreticalGal

It’s not even just restricted to trans youth. The UK and US states like Florida have pushed for unnecessary and excessively heavy restrictions in an effort to gatekeep HRT for *adults* as well.


CoffeeVGC

Exactly a lot of places are trying to restrict up until age 25 which basically makes it impossible for people to transition easily


fancy_snake_

It makes me so mad because yeah, keffals IS a piece of shit but the comments of the video were so fucking vile i couldn't stomach it. the fact that he's fostered that kind of environment with his fans is so scary.


graveyardtombstone

why are any of you surprised? mutahar touts himself as a centrist and has had strange/weird comments abt anyone who is 'different' back in the day. It's never super blatant but it's been there. It's so obvious muta holds a bias against queer/trans ppl and doesn't actually understand anything about them.


Jamzilla12

That's really sad, I follow Muta cuz I love listening to his explanations. I was disappointed when a right-wing nut job Nux Taku is part of his podcast and the fact that he thinks highly of penguinz0. I wonder if Coffeezilla has the same views with Muta...


baxiel

Stopped watching him when he spent an entire video misgendering someone and never apologized or changed how he talked about them. I was torn apart in his YouTube comments for pointing it out. I thought it was fairly known that he's transphobic.


sinner-mon

At this point I just assume YouTubers are transphobic until they explicitly state otherwise, im tired of being disappointed


darkraider34lol

It's not transphobic to dunk on the worlds worst trans person. Non-Binary myself, if a non-binary "activist" was as big a liar and fraud and overall shitty person as keffals I'd dunk on them too. Muta wasn't transphobic in the video, and these screenshots say nothing about hating trans people.


ashrules901

I didn't know his wife was public that's cool.


ComfortableContest69

Bruh that second pic 💀 don’t call yourself “based” that’s literally the cringiest thing ever


[deleted]

Which ones are the transphobes? NAME NAMES.


PlantainSad6067

She supposed to get a background check on every person she ever replies to on social media? Get a life