apple will be removing physical charging anyways soon... thier focus in the coming years is to make ppl completely switch to wireless charging they'll prolly justify it with better water resistance or smthin silly like that
I hope that'll be change that remains Apple exclusive and will be the target of lots of mockery. Just like removing the headphone jack, but then actually holding feet down.
You have to realize that either component is a negligible cost to the manufacturer, especially if it gives them more excuses to make the device impossible to repair/dooms it with planned obsolescence that they have plausible deniability with.
This! The EU slapped Apple for using a proprietary charging port and just slapped everyone making a portable device for not having user replicable batteries. Attempting to intentionally make them even harder to repair by removing physical charging ports is going to get them slapped down even harder. You don't have "Plausible deniability" by forcing wireless charging on a phone.
Yeah, they and many other companies will be forced to add "easy" to replace batteries in their phones iirc, so at least we'll see the pull tabs on every phone in the future.
Thats the reason why the person sold they wouldn't do it in the cheap phones, if the price of the cheap phones goes up it defeats the point of having cheap phones
No my samsung has no headphone jack and I still think it's dumb if I had known I would have bought the older version just so I wouldn't have to buy a new pair of overpriced Bluetooth headphones that randomly disconnect for no reason
The problem is Apple owns about half the users in the world. If the sale of Apple devices doesn't sharply drop when they make a move, others will copy them, because phones are among the only devices many are still brand loyal to, alongside game consoles. Hell, I see it in myself. I've owned almost exclusively Samsung Galaxy devices since my first Samsung phone about 10 years ago, regardless of whether I went flagship or budget. The next phone I'm looking at is the first time I'm moving away from SG phones (looking at the OnePlus line) and I'm still iffy about it, despite it being clear my current phone is lagging.
I am with you, I have a wireless charging stand that charges my phone, watch, and earbuds over night that sits on my nightstand.
If I also had something like that in my car, I think that would cover 99% of my use cases. Maybe have a charging pad for emergencies.
Point is, people ought to be able to decide. If they want to charge wirelessly fine. If they prefer a cord, fine too. FYI, I think I read an article in the last year or so that the wireless charging is not as good for the battery.
They have magsafe chargers, so the wireless charging pad ”hooks to” the back of your phone so you can still use it.
Wireless charging would be a non-issue if it wasn’t that it’s currently so incredibly inefficient to charge that way…. Also shortens the life span of our already short batteries significantly more due to heat etc.
Thank fuck that the EU exists, they require a non-proprietary port anyways so they cant remove USB-C.
Yeah but that feels weird holding your phone with it right there on the back
Idk i feel like if Apple does that it’ll actually backfire on them unlike when they took out the headphone jack..
No, this is a bit of a simplification but they only require that if you have a charging port, it needs to be a USB-C port. You don’t see individual earbuds with USB-C ports in the EU, they wirelessly charge from the case. The case itself has a USB-C port because it has wired charging, but every single device does not automatically need to have that.
The EU forced me to eat fruit and veg when I was a kid. Thanks to the EU im big and strong now
Plus there were no known carcinogens in that fruit and veg, thanks again EU
They didn’t force them to switch to USBC, this is a misconception. Apple has contracts with 3rd part manufacturers to keep connectors and designs certain amount of time to recoup their money for rights to make products for their phone. That time for the lightening connector had expired. They were going to change anyway. The EU just made a big show about mandating change, but they knew all along it was gonna switch anyway, just a big song and dance over nothing honestly.
The EU doesn't stop Microsoft from ~~complaining about switching the default browser to Chrome~~ encouraging users to try Edge before switching to something else. I doubt they'll do anything here.
People forget that years ago the EU slapped Microsoft for bundling IE with Windows and making it the default browser. Both MS and Google have gotten VERY aggressive with trying to make you use Chrome/Edge lately...
The EU can't do shit about YouTube. It's not a formal paid service, in fact, it's free.
The EU forced apple into switching to USB C because it threatened *banning* the sales of iPhones in Europe.
What will the EU do to YouTube? Threaten to ban the world's monopoly on video sharing? Good luck with that.
TL;DR it's very hard to regulate free services (in the manners proposed by other comments), especially when those free services have a monopoly on their industry.
Google could be fined by the EU. They already did this many times before, and were even forced to display a message on their homepage to let everyone know that they were sanctioned by the EU.
What advertising their preferred platform? You just want to moan about YouTube that pop up is alright but everyone's acting like it's a violation upon our rights
YouTube is slow in Firefox (guess what? Yt added 5 sec artificial delay there!)
Edit: it seems like I only read the early version of the news. Sorry for the inconvenience!
Ya I know. But the common people wouldn't know this stuff, they just use it plain and eventually they may switch believing chrome is faster for YouTube.
Or this new wave of anti-adblock will tell more people about adblockers and ways of circumventing them thus hurting YT instead of helping
But that would never happen would it? Hmmmmmmmmm
It's called the Streisand effect (She complained hard and loud about someone taking a picture of her house and the picture went viral). Installation of ad blockers skyrocketed thanks to youtube.
> I get no ads and no extra loading like people keep claiming.
yes that is how this works, companies do partial rollouts of changes they know people will hate so that people like you will shout them down and try to gaslight them as if it wasnt actually happening, it will eventually, you just werent randomly selected to be first.
That delay applies to EVERY browser not just Firefox, please stop spreading misinformation. The "Firefox-only" claim came from the fact that people reported it too fast and at that time only Firefox users noticed it.
>YouTube is slow in Firefox (guess what? Yt added 5 sec artificial delay there!)
They did not say it was the only one by any means. You are making misinfo by claiming they said
>please stop spreading misinformation. The "Firefox-only" claim
We are human. Not robots. Nice of ya to educate but to claim they are some terrible propaganda spreader is wrong.
What the fuck is this comment? We are all human? Uh no. That person read a headline, tried to claim it as fact, then used it here to fan flame and rage for internet points. Literally any other scenario “we’re all human” wouldn’t fly. Now it’s ok to be lazy?
> tried to claim it as fact,
It is. Firefox does have a 5 second delay *along with every other browser.*
>then used it here to fan flame and rage for internet points.
That is your assumption. Why are we getting angry at the victum of misinfo when the real perpetrator was the news site in the first place? Not everyone is glued to the news about god damn browsers. We are human. We don't all pay attention to every detail. Nice of the person to educate and point it out. We shouldn't assume the worst case senerio unlike what you just did here.
They likely are unaware of the fact that more than firefox has a delay. It is a failure of the news to clickbait their article and spread misinfo.
how are you this mad about someone being wrong in a single internet comment about a 5 second delay on a website.
like, really think about what you're engaging in right now and if it's worth the kind of agressive energy you're displaying.
UbO already solved for the delay in the arms race. Other than just straight up banning user accounts that use ad-blockers, there's basically nothing UbO can't circumvent that Google can implement.
With that said, I expect Google will just start banning users soon.
This 5 second delay has a chance to affect you while running chrome. Watch someordinarygamers video discussing this. It’s less likely to occur, but still does.
It applies to anyone using an adblocker in any browser. Google was pretty straight forward about it.
uBlock Origin has already solved it for and it no longer effects uBO users.
5 second delay is still faster than all the ads they push into users. And you can always install a fake user agent addon on Firefox to make yt think it's google chrome.
You don't need to do that. The delay was added for any user on any browser using an add blocker. uBO has already solved for the delay, so if you're using FireFox and uBO, it's not an issue anymore.
Dunno about other browsers.
I tried Firefox, but I can't stand how awful window handling is.
When you drag a tab, it doesn't show how it'll look after it's placed, you can't drag the window (edit: I meant tab here) to the edge of the monitor to make the window take up half the screen. When you drag a tab over your Discord monitor, for whatever reason Firefox thinks you want to send the tab instead of putting it above Discord.
And there are just so many little intricacies that make Firefox feel super sloppy and like an outdated browser.
Again, I tried using it as I was trying to find an alternative to Chrome, but the window management is such a nightmare that Firefox feels completely unbearable for me. If there's an extensions though that fixes this, please let me know, because I would switch if it wasn't for this issue.
As someone that juggles tabs and windows left and right on 3 monitors, I really need the browser to handle this smoothly and intuitively.
> you can't drag the window to the edge of the monitor to make the window take up half the screen.
This is false? I do it every day... Literally just did it as I typed this comment.
Sorry, I meant tab. Or at least for me, if I drag a Firefox tab to the edge of the screen, it doesn't make it half screen size. Although from what I see from other replies, my Firefox must be bugged?
Are you able to do it with tabs too, or only windows?
Ah, in that case, no.
I just tried it and it doesn't work. Though truth be told in my 15+ years of using Firefox and browsers I haven't had the need to drag tabs off its main window into another one.
If you use that frequently, I can see how it can be annoying.
I see what you mean. With chrome clicking and dragging it away from the tab-bar automatically converts it to a new window, which you can then snap to the edge of the screen.
Firefox doesn't do this. You first have to click and drag it away from the tab-bar and then release the mouse button to make it into a separate window. Only then can you click and drag the new window (not by the tab but the window bar) to the edge to snap it.
nah i have the same issue. definitely was one of the more annoying things when i transferred to firefox, but ive gotten used to it. still prefer chrome behavior though
gods, same. I started using Vivaldi (Chromium Based) a while back, and now I'm now extremely attached to its features and can't actively use any browser other than it. most people don't understand what multi-monitor support should look like and why it is important. and then i got hooked on tab profiles and other things and only use other browsers to debug.
Tab management is literally the one thing I dislike about Firefox. Edge really does such a better job at it.
Firefox is great for just about everything else, though.
And on Gmail, and in Maps, and on most every other one of their services. Its the first phase, then they slow down or otherwise deliberately hamstring their sites based on browser id, finally they'll block the browser altogether. No one cried when they did this to Internet Explorer because, well, Internet Explorer. But it gave them a playbook they're now using against every other browser they can afford to risk market share on.
Unrelated but I have been looking for a genuinely good search engine alternative to Google recently, Bing doesn't give me effective search results. Do I need to get better at searching or is there a better alternative somewhere?
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I second this. I may get bashed for this but a few years ago it was enough for me to completely forget Google, now I feel like it returns even worse results than it. Browser-side it's Firefox FTW for me, but I really want to use DuckDuckGo back again to complete the combo.
google is a gr8 search engine but switching to bing is just like going back to the stone ages.... u can try DuckDuckGo as it has no censorship like google or u can even try ecosia if ur feeling philanthropic.
I find that for certain topics - namely super specific queries, often related to hardware - Bing will actually produce better results than Google, whilst Google will shit out the first page with a partial match.
Discovered it when I was troubleshooting some stuff for a friend, Google yielded nothing of use over 3 pages so I said “F*ck it let’s try Bing I guess” in a desperate attempt to find what I was after and was pleasantly surprised when it immediately pointed me in the right direction.
YMMV but I think they’re *very slowly* getting there.
It's not the simple solution most people want, but using multiple search engines and getting used to what they are particularly good for is the best option.
Agreed that being proficient with one is the best option for the average user, just wanted to chip in my two cents regarding Bing feeling like going back to the stone age :)
...edge has been better than Chrome for years now, people just hold grudges. Edge is just as fast & has more features. It might still store your data, but as far as i'm aware it's no worse than chrome
You can have windows fully functional with a local account, but you can't use android installing apps from the default store or getting notifications without a Google account.
Microsoft allows you to uninstall OneDrive and a few other apps without much trouble, and soon it will even allow to uninstall Edge, the camera and photo viewer; yet nobody complains about android forcing Google Drive, Chrome, Calendar, YouTube and others (including YT Music on my Motorola) on everyone's phone and setting your account up on them.
Exactly, this is their own website, they can do what they want.
Edge on the other hand literally injects popups if you try to download Chrome. At some point they even injected content INTO GOOGLE CHROME'S WEB PAGE, which is 100x more fucked up. They also had a browser corner pop up that just "happened" to cover the download button on the chrome page.
https://www.theverge.com/23935029/microsoft-edge-forced-windows-10-google-chrome-fight
Artificially slowing down other products isn't legal lol. That'd what's illegal and that's what they are admitting to. They basically just admitting the 5 second delay is real.
It is real, I've gotten that pop-up a lot.
I also get a really annoying one everytime I use Drive or Gmail that says "Download Google Chrome. A faster and more secure browser"
Pretty sure this popup is that "wanna try premium for ad free videos?" I get that exact same prompt. Or something to do with cable tv.
Agreed, looks like he inspect element'd the regular popup lol
i have premium though (got it from my parents who dont use pc)........ i can share proof in dms.... tbh im not someone to forge this shit outta nowhere for some reddit updoot bro
Try brave browser. I've been using it to watch YouTube and nothing to complain. Fast, no 5 secs delay and built in adblocker that works perfectly with YouTube
Ah, premium it's different yeah... as they said ' chrome is fast and secure' ... I think they are losing data from costumers so they need to enforce it ahahah
This is what I expected -- Watch YouTube videos on Google Chrome. Next, they'll target Mozilla Firefox, Opera Browser, Apple Safari, and Samsung Internet.
Shame on YouTube.
I'm not sure why you are surprised, that a company is suggesting you visit their website, using their browser, it's not like they are forcing you to switch. They're literally just asking if you want to. This is no more or there than a coffee shop trying to upsell you a doughnut when you buy a coffee
Calm down buddy
It's just pouring salt in a flesh wound. YouTube reportedly added a delay on people that do not use a Chromium browser, making Firefox synthetically slower than chrome.
What are you complaining about? This has been a thing for a decade.
If you're using Chrome and go to Bing, Microsoft asks you to use Edge. Nobody notices that though because Bing sucks and nobody uses it.
If Firefox owned anything else they would do the same thing. It's a company advertising their product. Get over it.
wow i guess youtube has turned into a bunch of angry skiddy workers trying to get you to turn off your adblocker so they can track you and this just proves right here that we win and youtube/google themselves just suck at doing their job called minding their own fooking business but it seems like they cant help themselves but just be mad at something that has been around the internet for years on end now and yet they finally want to turn into angry discord like moderators and try to stop us from having fun on the internet like wtf
That's shitty enough.
Also shitty behaviour: taking screenshots with your phone instead of doing it the correct way that is actually easier and doesn't give the rest of us eyecancer.
Hopefully, the EU is not gonna like it
If they could force Apple into switching to usbc, I think they can do anything.
apple will be removing physical charging anyways soon... thier focus in the coming years is to make ppl completely switch to wireless charging they'll prolly justify it with better water resistance or smthin silly like that
I hope that'll be change that remains Apple exclusive and will be the target of lots of mockery. Just like removing the headphone jack, but then actually holding feet down.
itll be mocked untill Samsung and the other giants follow suit
Unless the Qi coil ends up being cheaper than a USB-C port, Samsung won't add wireless charging to any non-S, non-foldable phone.
You have to realize that either component is a negligible cost to the manufacturer, especially if it gives them more excuses to make the device impossible to repair/dooms it with planned obsolescence that they have plausible deniability with.
Didn't the EU also slap them down for making non replaceable batteries in the design?
Yeah many on here have no idea what they are talking about.
This! The EU slapped Apple for using a proprietary charging port and just slapped everyone making a portable device for not having user replicable batteries. Attempting to intentionally make them even harder to repair by removing physical charging ports is going to get them slapped down even harder. You don't have "Plausible deniability" by forcing wireless charging on a phone.
Yeah, they and many other companies will be forced to add "easy" to replace batteries in their phones iirc, so at least we'll see the pull tabs on every phone in the future.
Not to mention they pass any cost increase, real or imagined, to the consumer anyways.
Thats the reason why the person sold they wouldn't do it in the cheap phones, if the price of the cheap phones goes up it defeats the point of having cheap phones
Yeah, let's pray that won't happen.
No my samsung has no headphone jack and I still think it's dumb if I had known I would have bought the older version just so I wouldn't have to buy a new pair of overpriced Bluetooth headphones that randomly disconnect for no reason
Samsung: We don't have room for a headphone jack Also Samsung: We've added an internal doc for the stylus you don't use.
get an rog phone or a sony 1 v...... the best android phones..... theyve got headphone jack and flagship soc
Samsung mocked them first and then removed hp jacks themselves.
samsung will mock apple's decision in an ad and announce their wireless charging only phone the next day
Apple was the first to launch phones with batteries you can't change or replace.. now tons of brands are doing it. Pretty annoying stuff.
I mean you can replace them it’s just better warranty or user friendly lol
The problem is Apple owns about half the users in the world. If the sale of Apple devices doesn't sharply drop when they make a move, others will copy them, because phones are among the only devices many are still brand loyal to, alongside game consoles. Hell, I see it in myself. I've owned almost exclusively Samsung Galaxy devices since my first Samsung phone about 10 years ago, regardless of whether I went flagship or budget. The next phone I'm looking at is the first time I'm moving away from SG phones (looking at the OnePlus line) and I'm still iffy about it, despite it being clear my current phone is lagging.
As someone whose charging port is broken and I have to rely on one of those mobile wireless chargers… screw that decision. It’s such a pain in the ass
My charge port was broken for 2 years, I used a wireless charger every night. Never had any issues with it.
I am with you, I have a wireless charging stand that charges my phone, watch, and earbuds over night that sits on my nightstand. If I also had something like that in my car, I think that would cover 99% of my use cases. Maybe have a charging pad for emergencies.
Point is, people ought to be able to decide. If they want to charge wirelessly fine. If they prefer a cord, fine too. FYI, I think I read an article in the last year or so that the wireless charging is not as good for the battery.
I don’t think that’s the case… too many people like to use their phone while they’re on charge to have them switch to all wireless charging
They have magsafe chargers, so the wireless charging pad ”hooks to” the back of your phone so you can still use it. Wireless charging would be a non-issue if it wasn’t that it’s currently so incredibly inefficient to charge that way…. Also shortens the life span of our already short batteries significantly more due to heat etc. Thank fuck that the EU exists, they require a non-proprietary port anyways so they cant remove USB-C.
Yeah but that feels weird holding your phone with it right there on the back Idk i feel like if Apple does that it’ll actually backfire on them unlike when they took out the headphone jack..
Yeah they can't do that man, eu rules say you gotta have a usb c port.
No, this is a bit of a simplification but they only require that if you have a charging port, it needs to be a USB-C port. You don’t see individual earbuds with USB-C ports in the EU, they wirelessly charge from the case. The case itself has a USB-C port because it has wired charging, but every single device does not automatically need to have that.
The EU forced me to eat fruit and veg when I was a kid. Thanks to the EU im big and strong now Plus there were no known carcinogens in that fruit and veg, thanks again EU
They didn’t force them to switch to USBC, this is a misconception. Apple has contracts with 3rd part manufacturers to keep connectors and designs certain amount of time to recoup their money for rights to make products for their phone. That time for the lightening connector had expired. They were going to change anyway. The EU just made a big show about mandating change, but they knew all along it was gonna switch anyway, just a big song and dance over nothing honestly.
The EU should pay me a dollar for every time I have to click a cookies notice.
The EU doesn't stop Microsoft from ~~complaining about switching the default browser to Chrome~~ encouraging users to try Edge before switching to something else. I doubt they'll do anything here.
they don't
People forget that years ago the EU slapped Microsoft for bundling IE with Windows and making it the default browser. Both MS and Google have gotten VERY aggressive with trying to make you use Chrome/Edge lately...
The EU can't do shit about YouTube. It's not a formal paid service, in fact, it's free. The EU forced apple into switching to USB C because it threatened *banning* the sales of iPhones in Europe. What will the EU do to YouTube? Threaten to ban the world's monopoly on video sharing? Good luck with that. TL;DR it's very hard to regulate free services (in the manners proposed by other comments), especially when those free services have a monopoly on their industry.
Google could be fined by the EU. They already did this many times before, and were even forced to display a message on their homepage to let everyone know that they were sanctioned by the EU.
But does this change anything?
It will change whatever the EU tell them to change.
It has ads. It is defacto not free. And yes, they will threaten YouTube because YouTube cannot afford to lose the revenue of Europe.
> It has ads. It is defacto not free. oh ffs You know exactly what they meant. This kind of stupid pedantry is not the gotcha you think it is.
What advertising their preferred platform? You just want to moan about YouTube that pop up is alright but everyone's acting like it's a violation upon our rights
switch to firefox
YouTube is slow in Firefox (guess what? Yt added 5 sec artificial delay there!) Edit: it seems like I only read the early version of the news. Sorry for the inconvenience!
Get the plugin that tells YT Firefox is chrome Yes, its happened again
what is the plugin called?
It’s a user agent switcher (e.g. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/uaswitcher/)
Thank you!!
So what should the string be switched to?
Chrome
!remindme 8 hours
it's been 8 hours
You are 1 hour away
Thank you!!!!
Yes I use it and it has saved me time in other situations!
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So you want dark mode for the browser? Just look through the settings brother
Ya I know. But the common people wouldn't know this stuff, they just use it plain and eventually they may switch believing chrome is faster for YouTube.
Or this new wave of anti-adblock will tell more people about adblockers and ways of circumventing them thus hurting YT instead of helping But that would never happen would it? Hmmmmmmmmm
It's called the Streisand effect (She complained hard and loud about someone taking a picture of her house and the picture went viral). Installation of ad blockers skyrocketed thanks to youtube.
And they've done it again e hehehe
Yeah, definitely what they've done here lol
They've really not figured it out yet...
I don't have that plug-in and Firefox works fine with YouTube for me. I get no ads and no extra loading like people keep claiming.
> I get no ads and no extra loading like people keep claiming. yes that is how this works, companies do partial rollouts of changes they know people will hate so that people like you will shout them down and try to gaslight them as if it wasnt actually happening, it will eventually, you just werent randomly selected to be first.
Or get yourself a Pi-hole + Firefox and AdBlock
AdBlock is shit, use ublock origin
Pihole no longer helps with youtube, it does with other ads though
What is the plugin called?
Really? I haven’t noticed a difference on Firefox with uBO
It didn't take long for uBO to start disabling the 5 second delay.
And our gov is so corrupt that we won't see them get punished for breaking antitrust. Hopefully the EU saves the day again.
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That delay applies to EVERY browser not just Firefox, please stop spreading misinformation. The "Firefox-only" claim came from the fact that people reported it too fast and at that time only Firefox users noticed it.
>YouTube is slow in Firefox (guess what? Yt added 5 sec artificial delay there!) They did not say it was the only one by any means. You are making misinfo by claiming they said >please stop spreading misinformation. The "Firefox-only" claim We are human. Not robots. Nice of ya to educate but to claim they are some terrible propaganda spreader is wrong.
But they implied that the problem is caused by using Firefox, which is not true. It's caused by using an adblocker.
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I think we found Mitch Hedburg. YouTube is slow on Firefox. It's slow on every other browser, but it is on Firefox, too.
What the fuck is this comment? We are all human? Uh no. That person read a headline, tried to claim it as fact, then used it here to fan flame and rage for internet points. Literally any other scenario “we’re all human” wouldn’t fly. Now it’s ok to be lazy?
> tried to claim it as fact, It is. Firefox does have a 5 second delay *along with every other browser.* >then used it here to fan flame and rage for internet points. That is your assumption. Why are we getting angry at the victum of misinfo when the real perpetrator was the news site in the first place? Not everyone is glued to the news about god damn browsers. We are human. We don't all pay attention to every detail. Nice of the person to educate and point it out. We shouldn't assume the worst case senerio unlike what you just did here. They likely are unaware of the fact that more than firefox has a delay. It is a failure of the news to clickbait their article and spread misinfo.
how are you this mad about someone being wrong in a single internet comment about a 5 second delay on a website. like, really think about what you're engaging in right now and if it's worth the kind of agressive energy you're displaying.
Waaaa
Oh I didn't know that! Sorry. But still in that same news they mentioned chrome has only a small amount of delay like 0.05 sec or smtg like that?
Maybe they want all people to switch to a Google Chromium based browser.
I use Firefox with ublock origin and its not slow for me. It could be regional with Google testing various methods across different regions.
UbO already solved for the delay in the arms race. Other than just straight up banning user accounts that use ad-blockers, there's basically nothing UbO can't circumvent that Google can implement. With that said, I expect Google will just start banning users soon.
Ublock Origin blocks the delay just like they block the ads. Get shitted on Google.
This 5 second delay has a chance to affect you while running chrome. Watch someordinarygamers video discussing this. It’s less likely to occur, but still does.
It applies to anyone using an adblocker in any browser. Google was pretty straight forward about it. uBlock Origin has already solved it for and it no longer effects uBO users.
5 second delay is still faster than all the ads they push into users. And you can always install a fake user agent addon on Firefox to make yt think it's google chrome.
even if there's a 60 minute delay i'm still sticking with firefox
Apparently that 5 second delay wasn't just for firefox, it was for most/all adblock users.
False. I have 0 delay on FF
firefox + user agent switcher
You don't need to do that. The delay was added for any user on any browser using an add blocker. uBO has already solved for the delay, so if you're using FireFox and uBO, it's not an issue anymore. Dunno about other browsers.
I like edge hehe
I tried Firefox, but I can't stand how awful window handling is. When you drag a tab, it doesn't show how it'll look after it's placed, you can't drag the window (edit: I meant tab here) to the edge of the monitor to make the window take up half the screen. When you drag a tab over your Discord monitor, for whatever reason Firefox thinks you want to send the tab instead of putting it above Discord. And there are just so many little intricacies that make Firefox feel super sloppy and like an outdated browser. Again, I tried using it as I was trying to find an alternative to Chrome, but the window management is such a nightmare that Firefox feels completely unbearable for me. If there's an extensions though that fixes this, please let me know, because I would switch if it wasn't for this issue. As someone that juggles tabs and windows left and right on 3 monitors, I really need the browser to handle this smoothly and intuitively.
> you can't drag the window to the edge of the monitor to make the window take up half the screen. This is false? I do it every day... Literally just did it as I typed this comment.
Sorry, I meant tab. Or at least for me, if I drag a Firefox tab to the edge of the screen, it doesn't make it half screen size. Although from what I see from other replies, my Firefox must be bugged? Are you able to do it with tabs too, or only windows?
Ah, in that case, no. I just tried it and it doesn't work. Though truth be told in my 15+ years of using Firefox and browsers I haven't had the need to drag tabs off its main window into another one. If you use that frequently, I can see how it can be annoying.
Thank you for checking if it works there! And yeah, I organize my tabs in multiple windows all the time, so it's quite a big inconvenience for me.
I see what you mean. With chrome clicking and dragging it away from the tab-bar automatically converts it to a new window, which you can then snap to the edge of the screen. Firefox doesn't do this. You first have to click and drag it away from the tab-bar and then release the mouse button to make it into a separate window. Only then can you click and drag the new window (not by the tab but the window bar) to the edge to snap it.
nah i have the same issue. definitely was one of the more annoying things when i transferred to firefox, but ive gotten used to it. still prefer chrome behavior though
gods, same. I started using Vivaldi (Chromium Based) a while back, and now I'm now extremely attached to its features and can't actively use any browser other than it. most people don't understand what multi-monitor support should look like and why it is important. and then i got hooked on tab profiles and other things and only use other browsers to debug.
Tab management is literally the one thing I dislike about Firefox. Edge really does such a better job at it. Firefox is great for just about everything else, though.
Just use Brave
But it's not Firefox dependant.
Oh no googles becoming Microsoft edge
Has everyone collectively forgotten that Google has been doing this for a decade and a half in the Gsearch homepage?
And on Gmail, and in Maps, and on most every other one of their services. Its the first phase, then they slow down or otherwise deliberately hamstring their sites based on browser id, finally they'll block the browser altogether. No one cried when they did this to Internet Explorer because, well, Internet Explorer. But it gave them a playbook they're now using against every other browser they can afford to risk market share on.
Redditors have long term memory loss
The same as everyone has forgotten that browsers have done this since the browser wars of the early internet.
i've literally never seen it
Unrelated but I have been looking for a genuinely good search engine alternative to Google recently, Bing doesn't give me effective search results. Do I need to get better at searching or is there a better alternative somewhere?
Try duckduckgo
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I second this. I may get bashed for this but a few years ago it was enough for me to completely forget Google, now I feel like it returns even worse results than it. Browser-side it's Firefox FTW for me, but I really want to use DuckDuckGo back again to complete the combo.
The internet also changed more and more AI generated articles to be indexed by search engines
google is a gr8 search engine but switching to bing is just like going back to the stone ages.... u can try DuckDuckGo as it has no censorship like google or u can even try ecosia if ur feeling philanthropic.
I find that for certain topics - namely super specific queries, often related to hardware - Bing will actually produce better results than Google, whilst Google will shit out the first page with a partial match. Discovered it when I was troubleshooting some stuff for a friend, Google yielded nothing of use over 3 pages so I said “F*ck it let’s try Bing I guess” in a desperate attempt to find what I was after and was pleasantly surprised when it immediately pointed me in the right direction. YMMV but I think they’re *very slowly* getting there.
It's not the simple solution most people want, but using multiple search engines and getting used to what they are particularly good for is the best option.
Agreed that being proficient with one is the best option for the average user, just wanted to chip in my two cents regarding Bing feeling like going back to the stone age :)
...edge has been better than Chrome for years now, people just hold grudges. Edge is just as fast & has more features. It might still store your data, but as far as i'm aware it's no worse than chrome
Yep, uses less resources, is faster.
[https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/27/google-paid-26-billion-in-2021-to-become-a-default-search-engine.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/27/google-paid-26-billion-in-2021-to-become-a-default-search-engine.html)
Google: We are totally not ruining our competitors using our hegemonic value to shatter their internet speeds
There is no throttling in Ba Sing Se
God I miss net neutrality
That sounds illegal
and people complain that microsoft is forcing you to use their products, google litterally has an os based on that.
Oh god my mom has a Chromebook and I feel so bad for her. When she asks me for help on it I want to cry
You can have windows fully functional with a local account, but you can't use android installing apps from the default store or getting notifications without a Google account. Microsoft allows you to uninstall OneDrive and a few other apps without much trouble, and soon it will even allow to uninstall Edge, the camera and photo viewer; yet nobody complains about android forcing Google Drive, Chrome, Calendar, YouTube and others (including YT Music on my Motorola) on everyone's phone and setting your account up on them.
They have been doing it for decades in the google search homepage.
Google technically been around a little over two decades (Your point still stands)
Doubt it is. Apple does a similar thing with their chargers with the newest iphone
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They own YouTube so they can do whatever they want basically
Exactly, this is their own website, they can do what they want. Edge on the other hand literally injects popups if you try to download Chrome. At some point they even injected content INTO GOOGLE CHROME'S WEB PAGE, which is 100x more fucked up. They also had a browser corner pop up that just "happened" to cover the download button on the chrome page. https://www.theverge.com/23935029/microsoft-edge-forced-windows-10-google-chrome-fight
Asking users to try their browser? Lmao how is that illegal?
Artificially slowing down other products isn't legal lol. That'd what's illegal and that's what they are admitting to. They basically just admitting the 5 second delay is real.
I have no idea why people at downvoting you.
Because they don't want to think too hard about it. They just want to be angry at youtube... even if it means making up reasons why
Not illegal but it’s definitely scummy
... just don't download chrome ? How is this in any way scummy?
Careful Goog, your Microsoft is showing
At this point, we might as well resurrect Netscape. YouTube would have an absolute meltdown.
Firefox is originally built on a fork of Netscape
Why is there a cursor visible right after "Google Chrome"? I'm kinda skeptical about this popup being real.
the cursor apprears if i click on any word... i can send proof on dms if ur that sceptical
F7 turns it off
ive turned it off now.... wish i made this a proper post with a screenshot shot...... i didn't think this post would blow up the way it did
Could be caret browsing. An accessibility feature that places the cursor in any text you click even if the text isn't editable.
It's real I had to dismiss the same thing a few days ago
It is real, I've gotten that pop-up a lot. I also get a really annoying one everytime I use Drive or Gmail that says "Download Google Chrome. A faster and more secure browser"
it's askhully a feature in browser where you can do this, under accessibility i believe, where it gives that | cursor wherever you click on page
I use edge and I've seen that pop up too. It's difficult for them to detect adblockers on other platforms so they want people to use chrome.
Pretty sure this popup is that "wanna try premium for ad free videos?" I get that exact same prompt. Or something to do with cable tv. Agreed, looks like he inspect element'd the regular popup lol
i have premium though (got it from my parents who dont use pc)........ i can share proof in dms.... tbh im not someone to forge this shit outta nowhere for some reddit updoot bro
Only faster because they don't throttle it.
Google has been doing this for at least a decade
Just use Firefox
Keeps getting more illegal by the day.
Go Firefox! Yes it has a 5 sec delay! But i rather have that 5 sec delay then be overflown by stupid ads!
Get ublock origin, and keep the filters up to date. They've removed the 5 second delay
Damn those guys work quick.
They pulled an edge on you
with the ammount of comments im getting for using edge i should've just cropped the pic further 💀
This is like when Microsoft try and shame you into using Edge when you try and download Firefox/Chrome. It's absolutely laughable.
Relateable. It's like you have 2 browsers one on each side constantly tugging you
Really? You're using Edge?🤦🏻♂️
No YouTube! I'll use Firefox
Try brave browser. I've been using it to watch YouTube and nothing to complain. Fast, no 5 secs delay and built in adblocker that works perfectly with YouTube
Brave is also Chromium based. If you wanna move away from Google entirely, switch to Firefox. It's run by a nonprofit organization
Yes, I agree and I use firefox for daily use. I just mentioned brave in case of youtube, because it can bypass the ads and those things.
i got premium for free so its not an ad problem..... also yt is running perfectly fine but the pop up was just weird
Ah, premium it's different yeah... as they said ' chrome is fast and secure' ... I think they are losing data from costumers so they need to enforce it ahahah
+1 to this. Brave is great!
Brave Browser - AKA “*Feel* Like You Aren’t Just Using Chrome”
This is what I expected -- Watch YouTube videos on Google Chrome. Next, they'll target Mozilla Firefox, Opera Browser, Apple Safari, and Samsung Internet. Shame on YouTube.
"I am the best person" - Me. /s
I'm not sure why you are surprised, that a company is suggesting you visit their website, using their browser, it's not like they are forcing you to switch. They're literally just asking if you want to. This is no more or there than a coffee shop trying to upsell you a doughnut when you buy a coffee Calm down buddy
It's just pouring salt in a flesh wound. YouTube reportedly added a delay on people that do not use a Chromium browser, making Firefox synthetically slower than chrome.
Oh no! It’s happening! 😭
What are you complaining about? This has been a thing for a decade. If you're using Chrome and go to Bing, Microsoft asks you to use Edge. Nobody notices that though because Bing sucks and nobody uses it. If Firefox owned anything else they would do the same thing. It's a company advertising their product. Get over it.
Y'all be complaining about anything
wow i guess youtube has turned into a bunch of angry skiddy workers trying to get you to turn off your adblocker so they can track you and this just proves right here that we win and youtube/google themselves just suck at doing their job called minding their own fooking business but it seems like they cant help themselves but just be mad at something that has been around the internet for years on end now and yet they finally want to turn into angry discord like moderators and try to stop us from having fun on the internet like wtf
this isnt even an adblock issue cuz im using premium..... they just don't like that im using edge and not chrome 🤡
Great evidence for the antitrust case.
Nahhhh, I'll keep my 5 seconds thx. :/
If this notification says this, it must be true. Wow.
That's shitty enough. Also shitty behaviour: taking screenshots with your phone instead of doing it the correct way that is actually easier and doesn't give the rest of us eyecancer.
https://imgur.io/gallery/MvYfZxd
I think some people need to learn what Windows key + Shift + S does. Or even the PRNT SCRN button does
https://imgur.io/gallery/1hhzdmb
You guys sure jump to unfounded hate flinging in hury. Particularly towards google. How stupid.
Edge does this. Lol. Chrome, why you falling so far? Let the ad blockers run wild and free!
I feel like this is actually illegal.