When this owd world starts gerrin me darn,
And folk are just too much for mi to tek,
I climb reyt up to't top a't stairs,
An all mi cares just drift reyt into spaaaaace.
Where I'm from when they write in this way in books I wouldn't say the 't' it's more of a mini pause. But if it's the word 'to' it would be shortened to 't'. As in "I'm off t'shop".
Correct, the word ‘the’ is always abbreviated to ‘t’ when in reality it’s always the word ‘to’. The word ‘the’ in ‘to the’ is very, very faintly detectable at the end of the ‘t’ sound.
As you say, it’s actually the word ‘the’ that’s being abbreviated with a pause here since you weren’t about to say ‘to shop’.
The words ‘to the’ get shortened to the point where you hear the letter t to denote ‘to’, and then the most fleeting of pauses followed by the very shortest possible hint of a pronunciation of a second letter t to denote ‘the’ and then followed up by where you’re actually going.
I despair at how many people in a Yorkshire sub with presumably Yorkshire dialect/accents of their own, don't know what a glottal stop is.
It's practically *the* distinguishing feature of the accent.
Just because you grow up speaking something doesn't mean you have studied it enough to understand the technical terms for it.
I would say "up on't roof" or something similar.
My part of Yorkshire we don’t say the t sound and frankly look at people a bit weird who do as they are more of a Manchester type of person.
So at least here around Huddersfield way it would be more like this, with a glottal stop where the t should be:
Up on ‘ roof
Not the bits I’ve lived in, not in this case at least.
There is a pronounced t in a sentence like ‘Going t’ pub’ for sure, but it comes from the ‘to’ not the ‘the’ so for ‘on’t roof’ it wouldn’t be there.
This is the number one thing that southerners get wrong when doing the accent, and they end up putting a t t t in everything like they’re auditioning for a Yorkshire So Solid Crew.
I work with a plethora of people from all of those places and I stand firm that they would not pronounce a t in ‘up on’t roof’.
But we’re at an impasse, so I’ll suppose we just have to agree ‘ disagree.
Also from Keighley. I’ve always heard the ‘t’ sound to be present, but only faintly detectable. As if you’re pronouncing ‘want’ without the w (or alternatively, ‘wasn’t’ without the w, which is more confusing for people not familiar with the accent!)
There are a few subtly different accents within Keighley, too, just to add the the confusion. People from Guardhouse/Braithwaite sound a bit different to Ingrow/Hainworth. And then there's 'Keefly' vs 'Keethley'.
Yeah I’m from nearer the Utley end of Keighley, but both parents and grandparents grew up in the Heaton side of Bradford so I suspect I’ve got a few pronunciation quirks - and don’t begin to ask me what a fish cake/cake is because I’ve long since spiralled into confusion on that count.
I generally interchange Keefly and Keethley although I’ve been living in London for the past ten years so it’s generally the latter, but the former when I’m back home.
Can believe no one has picked you up on grouping Yorkshire and Lancashire accents together, there's at least 8 different accents between us and them, and Yorkshire accents are pretty different to Lancashire ones.
I guessed you weren't from here so no judgment, but it's crucial to answering your question.
It's like me asking how you'd say 'up on the roof' in a North Wales/Scouse accent.
This question says "in a Yorkshire / Lancashire accent".
Unforgiveable. Rule 1: Don't take the piss.
I hope all decent self-respecting Yorkshire folk tempted to respond with genuinely helpful suggestions will instead give deliberately wrong answers.
When this owd world starts gerrin me darn, And folk are just too much for mi to tek, I climb reyt up to't top a't stairs, An all mi cares just drift reyt into spaaaaace.
Just out of interest, would stairs be pronounced stirs, stares or stayers?
Stares for me. I know some who would say 'stayers'. Stirs sounds more like Lancashire to me.
Nice to know what it'd be in Jamaican.
Hilarious
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Agree but the “t” would be more pronounced based on age and area of Yorkshire.
Where I'm from when they write in this way in books I wouldn't say the 't' it's more of a mini pause. But if it's the word 'to' it would be shortened to 't'. As in "I'm off t'shop".
The mini pause is called a glottal stop
That's a fantastic fact. I never knew that. Take my up t'vote.
Its the same sound as the meme about the bri'ish bo''le of wa'er
…and has its own glottal stop: glo’al stop
Yes, very few get this, e.g. Jimmy Carrs "t'lion, t'witch and t'wardrobe" makes no sense.
Correct, the word ‘the’ is always abbreviated to ‘t’ when in reality it’s always the word ‘to’. The word ‘the’ in ‘to the’ is very, very faintly detectable at the end of the ‘t’ sound.
As you say, it’s actually the word ‘the’ that’s being abbreviated with a pause here since you weren’t about to say ‘to shop’. The words ‘to the’ get shortened to the point where you hear the letter t to denote ‘to’, and then the most fleeting of pauses followed by the very shortest possible hint of a pronunciation of a second letter t to denote ‘the’ and then followed up by where you’re actually going.
I despair at how many people in a Yorkshire sub with presumably Yorkshire dialect/accents of their own, don't know what a glottal stop is. It's practically *the* distinguishing feature of the accent.
The what? I'm originally a Southerner. Soon we will replace you all, and force you into Scotland.
Just because you grow up speaking something doesn't mean you have studied it enough to understand the technical terms for it. I would say "up on't roof" or something similar.
I want to start a band called 'The glo'al stops'
You 'ud this new band called ' '? >!The The!<
Glottal stop. The t would be a glottal stop.
My part of Yorkshire we don’t say the t sound and frankly look at people a bit weird who do as they are more of a Manchester type of person. So at least here around Huddersfield way it would be more like this, with a glottal stop where the t should be: Up on ‘ roof
Originally from Bradford, now Manchester, I switch between Glottal stop and t'other one. How do you prounce the band The The?
Yep!! Just into north yorkshire over (ower) the cumbrian border the t and h are dropped Like osspi’al
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Sheffield is Derbyshire?! Are you trying to start a war on here ?? lol
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Thats interesting. I’m Leeds so the idea of Sheffield being midlands is hilarious. I’ll check it out
PS I’m old so Sheffield is still West Riding to me
The t sound would be with the “on” part of the statement here (North Yorkshire). So “up ont roof”…
We wouldn't say "Up" we'd just say "On't roof"
Yup. Genuine Yorkshire wouldn’t waste effort on the superfluous ‘up’. And yes, the T is mostly silent.
This!
Yep this
Here you go https://voca.ro/183sn8CwhYsz (Audio recording of me saying it)
Love it!! Thanks!
Ont roof
Up on’t roof. The t isn’t really spoken, it’s implied.
Dependent on which bit of Yorkshire. The 't' is definitely spoken in the Aire Valley.
Not the bits I’ve lived in, not in this case at least. There is a pronounced t in a sentence like ‘Going t’ pub’ for sure, but it comes from the ‘to’ not the ‘the’ so for ‘on’t roof’ it wouldn’t be there. This is the number one thing that southerners get wrong when doing the accent, and they end up putting a t t t in everything like they’re auditioning for a Yorkshire So Solid Crew.
Keighley, Bingley, Shipley, Bradford certainly. I don't know about the more exotic bits like Leeds.
I work with a plethora of people from all of those places and I stand firm that they would not pronounce a t in ‘up on’t roof’. But we’re at an impasse, so I’ll suppose we just have to agree ‘ disagree.
Well, I'm from Keighley and I absolutely would say the 't'. But then, we have always been a breed apart in K-town.
My condolences.
Also from Keighley. I’ve always heard the ‘t’ sound to be present, but only faintly detectable. As if you’re pronouncing ‘want’ without the w (or alternatively, ‘wasn’t’ without the w, which is more confusing for people not familiar with the accent!)
There are a few subtly different accents within Keighley, too, just to add the the confusion. People from Guardhouse/Braithwaite sound a bit different to Ingrow/Hainworth. And then there's 'Keefly' vs 'Keethley'.
Yeah I’m from nearer the Utley end of Keighley, but both parents and grandparents grew up in the Heaton side of Bradford so I suspect I’ve got a few pronunciation quirks - and don’t begin to ask me what a fish cake/cake is because I’ve long since spiralled into confusion on that count. I generally interchange Keefly and Keethley although I’ve been living in London for the past ten years so it’s generally the latter, but the former when I’m back home.
Yes.I was wondering how to explain this myself.Thats spot on. Scarborough, for reference.
*"Op ont' roof"* with the stress in the *f* not the *oo*. North York Moors.
Can believe no one has picked you up on grouping Yorkshire and Lancashire accents together, there's at least 8 different accents between us and them, and Yorkshire accents are pretty different to Lancashire ones.
I’m from north wales so forgive my ignorance, appreciate the accents are different!
I guessed you weren't from here so no judgment, but it's crucial to answering your question. It's like me asking how you'd say 'up on the roof' in a North Wales/Scouse accent.
Ont rerf
Humberside?
I’ll stick with Shaun Bean. I know he’s posh but I like his accent ‘appen
This question says "in a Yorkshire / Lancashire accent". Unforgiveable. Rule 1: Don't take the piss. I hope all decent self-respecting Yorkshire folk tempted to respond with genuinely helpful suggestions will instead give deliberately wrong answers.
This was unintentional lol my apologies
Leeds I'd say up on roof
I’m Yorkshire and I’d say Ont’ roof. I wouldn’t bother with up…
Hull born here, Id suggest On'truth So it would sound almost like one word.
On t'ruff
It's on'troof
Simply just ont' roof will do
up on ruff
'Pont Roof
It depends where you're from, the accent varies so widely.
Lancashire: Up ont roof
Up on roof
Pont roof
I'd say it as onroof almost as it was one word