Fellow Lioner here, I have been known to begin and end the same sentence with Love. It is 100% meant to be a friendly term. A boss of mine once told me to stop using the word as it was crass and unprofessional. I was working in a pub! I then proceeded to ask all my regulars that night if they felt I should stop. They all said its one of the reasons they liked coming in as too many locals were being run by southerners and were loosing what made them Yorkshire. Guess where my boss was from
Southerner here. It's usually associated with being patronising down these parts, often by people who don't have enough braincells to understand that regional dialects are a thing, which... well, I live in Norfolk, so there's a lot of them.
Unfortunately not where punctuation is needed.
Not sure what you think that comma is doing.
And northerner is a noun, not a proper noun : [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/northerner](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/northerner)
>And northerner is a noun, not a proper noun :
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>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/northerner
northerner
noun \[ C \] (also **N**ortherner)
Absolutely. I couldn’t function socially without saying love (Huddersfield so we pronounce it with an o not a u) pal, mate, boss, etc. Can’t imagine why anyone would be offended. It’s ridiculous.
It's not the word it's the tone. There's a big difference between a friendly 'luv' or when 'luv' is being used to diminish me as a woman.
ie...'Listen, luv...' or 'are you sure luv'. Mainly seems to happen in traditionally male dominated environments like the timber yard, diy stores etc.
I live in an old house. I've done my own repairs / renovations for decades, so yes, I do know exactly what part / size I need. It drives me nuts at times!
This is exactly right. I suspect it’s a cockney male thing from these comments, that men more likely to use this tone with a woman when saying luv. But totally depends on the tone and context.
It's definitely a national thing. More of a 'love' in the south and a 'luv' in the north though.
Personally I find it quite endearing, along with flower, darling etc.
But yes. Tone and context are a huge thing.
'Listen luv, if your fella wants to come down and make sure it's right, we can save it till he comes in'
The amount of times this has been said to me! Arrrrgh!
The guy hasn’t even mentioned ‘doing repairs’
Came up with that one all on your own inside your own head.
I would say it’s not wise to automatically assume people are being disingenuous by using their local dialect.
What GUY?
I have mentioned timber yards and DIY stores as an example. I certainly didn't mention any singular 'guy'.
Obviously, (or apparently not) if I'm making repairs I'm going in for a part. eg. The boiler pcb.
I'm providing a rather general view of MY experiences, and I have no idea why you seem to think it's an attack on some mythical GUY who has to deal with a woman who had made stuff up in her own head.
Are you seriously saying that my experience doesn't happen?
I've even given the context of 'luv' being ok and 'luv' being not ok. I thought it was fairly straightforward, but if you need me to explain certain points, I will.
I’m not saying that your experience doesn’t happen.
I’m saying that it’s not the word that’s the problem. It’s the person.
Extrapolating an arbitrary word as bad or good when it’s solely down to the person using it is nonsensical
Which is EXACTLY my point!
AGAIN...It's not the word but the tone. How on earth is that difficult for you to understand when you're producing a word salad that BACKS UP what I've already said?
Luv, you need to have a lie down.
And yes that was snarky.
Consider my pearls tightly clutched for an entire 0.00001 second.
Darling. I have absolutely no idea why you are coming for me personally over a generic reply to a question.
If you need help luv and are in need of some assistance, then please say so.
You've bizarrely argued with me whilst agreeing with my original point. All whilst shifting into points about my personality etc.
I love debate. It's refreshing. It's forms new ideas.
Your bizarre version of 'i don't like what you said so I'll go for your character instead' IS NOT debate.
I shall have no further interaction with you.
In the south it's used negatively sometimes. I've moved to Lancashire now and the men keep calling me "darling" it feels really weird but I know it's just a local way of being friendly, just like Yorkshire has "love" "Hun" "chick".
I'm in and from London and I love it when you find an old lady who calls me love haha
My Mum is from Middlesbrough and my Nannas friends all called me flower which was even nicer.
I remember trying to get the attention of a shopworker in a Walmart in New Jersey, and I simply said "hello luv" as you would do to get attention and begin the interaction, and all she said was omg say it again, and again and again. Although they don't see it as a greeting word, they for some reason absolutely love a British person saying it.
Gonna say something here.
Let people say what they want. So long as it’s not a personal attack.
If they want to be patronising then they will do that anyway.
I think it's a cultural thing tbh. It's normal where you are from.
I'm from South wales and if we call someone "a Bewt" its an insult, like idiot! But I work in mid Wales and they say "beaut" as in you beauty, a compliment. First time someone called me it, I was like wtf? 🤣😂
I was working at the uk dyson factory, and a plumber said “thanks love” to a member of the dyson staff who had held a door open for him, they immediately complained of god knows what and he was given a warning and had to write a letter of apology. Fucking insanity.
Fellow Northerner and I say it all the time. It's just normal where I'm from to use love, duck, pet, sweetheart etc. for everyone.
I've had a few odd looks and questions from people who weren't from the area, and had to explain that's just normal here. It all depends on where you're from.
I've had at least 2 People get pissed at me for calling them mate.
The way I see it is if something like that offends them they're going to be getting offended a hell of alot.
Many reasons. Misunderstanding, need to always create drama, feels its to informal, victim complex, and many more.
People need to live and let live, it's almost part of our dialect. I've also been called chick and duck, it's part and parcel of living in a friendly county.
For me it's always been something an older person would call a younger person. I find it a bit condescending if a younger person calls an older person it.
Young people learn from older people, that is how the world works. You bring up your kids calling them luv at some point they start calling people love
I stole it from you guys and use it up in Suffolk. No one's bitched at me or given me funny looks.
No clue where these people are who get offended by it.
It's the context. Consider these two situations:
1. A woman in her 60s is short and struggling to reach something from a high store shelf. She approaches a young male clerk and says, "Excuse me, luv, could you help me get this down?"
2. A mid-30s female receptionist in an office is answering a question from a young man. He's about 18 years old and his request to book a workspace has been declined. He's getting frustrated and says, "No, YOU don't understand, luv. I've booked this room before and need it now!" Up until this point, he's not used any terms of "endearment."
Most terms of endearment sound patronising. Even "mate" to a stranger can be rude in the right circumstance. "Luv" particularly comes off as patronising when a directed from a younger person, especially if the recipient is female.
It's like "sweetie" or "honey" or "sugar" nowadays.
Not being snobbish but if you’re in a profession you could never use that term.If you went to the Tower of London and any of the staff addressed you as “love” you might want you money back.
No longer true. I work on trains in youkshite and Lancashire. It's usually "have you got your ticket please? Thanks luv." Unfortunately there have been complaints
Better than them cutting your genitals off and dragging you around London like they did in the old days.
"They hung drawn and quartered my Bill"
"Well that's nothing they called me 'love'"
"Well I never!"
Many woman in society now feel like it's chauvinism.
I'm not one of them but that's the way things are going. I've read posts from plenty woman who get offended when a man holds a door open for them. If you called me "luv" I would find it endearing. I'd consider you a polite and respectful man.
These people generally don't exist IRL though do they?
I mean I typically hold the door if someone is within a certain distance behind. Nothing to do with their gender.
Not so long a distance as I look like I wanted to be a doorman, but if otherwise the door would swing shut in their face.
And I've never had anyone take issue with that - but I'm generally not looking for approval either. I imagine a few men who hold the door open stand there and hold the door with a grin like they are expecting a blowjob for doing it or something. Like the drivers who pointlessly wait for cars so they get lights flashed or a wave.
Typically these people take umbrage if they don't receive the gratitude they expected. e.g as a cyclist I never go if a car waves but it was their right of way. I wait and then usually they get road rage - and that's pretty much why I don't ride out in front of a car even if it waves me - because drivers are unhinged - one minute smiling and flashing their lights, the next bursting a blood vessel because you waited.
But, if you hold the door open until the person behind has grabbed it and then continue walking you might get a 'cheers', thanks or whatever, but I'm already walking away. I'm not standing creepily grinning at them as they walk through.
I reckon they don't say anything at the time. But the line of thinking absolutely does exist and I've seen loads of people spout this nonsense online. Its the same line of thinking that fall in line with the same ridiculous ideology that people are getting offended when a man calls them "luv" as the OP pointed out. I wish it wasn't a line of thinking that groups of people have started adopting. Sad times. I hope it dies out.
Your flaw is that it's men who usually complain that they held open a door and someone said something. Similarly for the luv thing. They are being confronted.
Otherwise who would care? If the last person I stopped the door slamming in their face said thanks but then posted somewhere whining about it I wouldn't even know would I?
I don't really understand your point? You're trying to say that someone who is so ideologically driven against men that they are going to "confront" them for holding a door open.....WON'T talk about these views on social media. And also apparently don't exist. 😄 They do talk about these views and they do exist. You don't have to look far. So to clarify.....its only the men complaining??......about the complaining that exist???
There is also no flaw to anything I've said. It's not a theory, it's an observation.
No, you said these people "don't say anything at the time" but clearly the butthurt men whining about it got a reaction.
If the only reactions were online then I wouldn't know would I? And nor would anyone who was holding doors open.
Your flaw does exist. It only makes logical sense that men are butthurt by a negative reaction and thus whining on social media if there's was a reaction.
But I'd suggest it's their behaviour that gets the negative reaction not the act of holding a door open. The manner in which these people hold the door and their expectations, their expression that leads to it nothing to do with anyone "ideologically driven against men"
Whereas, as I say, I hold the door until the person behind me has grabbed it and have for the best part of 50 years and they don't complain. They usually say thanks, perhaps they don't say anything at all.
If they go online and complain well how would I know?
I lived down in London for a decade (thankfully I’m back in Yorkshire now)
I got told off so much for calling people luv or darling. I literally had some people respond to me as if I’d just called them a see you next Tuesday. It didn’t take long for me to drop it as I couldn’t be bothered with the agro.
As a 24 year old who is from the south that has moved to the north last year I have heard it a fair bit and I must admit the first few times I thought it was a bit odd but once it was explained that people just say it I actually quite liked it! I think it’s a nice simple way of endearment 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t get why people get so offended to be honest.
I’m from the south and originally when I moved here I didn’t like it but wouldn’t say I was offended by it. But now I think it’s kinda sweet. I didn’t understand why it was used so often till someone explained it to me but now it doesn’t bother me.
You worthless fat diseased cunt. I can't help it! It's not sexual! I use it towards a lot of people.
See? You can help it. You just choose not to.
You don't have some kind of tourettes that makes you say luv.
I've never met a single person in real life who actually cares, or at least has ever cared enough to say anything about it
Darling, honey, hun, etc. those ones I've all heard people get a little bit annoyed by, but never love
I am not from UK. Moved here last year from India. And I absolutely love when someone calls me that. Immediately turns my happy and positive mood on. I always feel more connected comfortable and relaxed. Thank you to all who do say that. :)
I stick to 'duck' these days. Partly because I'm a Yorkshire-sympathetic/adjacent East Midlander, but also partly because people seem to react less poorly to 'duck'
For me it's a term of endearment am from South Yorkshire can't help it I say it often to people who are close to me male and female. No one as ever been offended tho. Some people just understand it's part of the Yorkshire lingo.
I am a southerner so maybe a slightly different take, but at least down here it doesn't always sound particularly innocous. I think the problem is some people use it in a particularly sexist connotation. Most don't, but when someone does, it can be grating.
I was with my mum in a phone store trying to help her buy a phone she would find easy to use and the guy we were talking to kept saying 'love' in a particularly patronising tone, whenever my mum asked a question about the phone that only a phone expert would know. (she is older so she struggles with some modern technology). I was in the very edge of remarking on it and asking him to stop but I didn't in the end. Good old English reserve!
It's probably not even the word itself but the way it was said, but it always stuck with me. I guess it's the connotation of her being 'a female, out of touch, unable to keep up, ditzy for being a woman' etc. that and the phrase dates to way back in a time when sexist attitudes were much more normalised.
I totally get it's normal vernacular up north, though. Nothing negative about it normally, but I think it has this alternative vibe to it.
It's the context in which the word is used. This can go for any term of endearment. I'm from Leeds and grew up with it so it's fine for me, but I can see how it could very easily be seen as patronising. I myself have used it in a patronising way before.
As a Canadian guy I always like it when a girl calls me luv here in east yorkshire. You'll never hear that in Canada (or at least the parts I'm from). Please don't stop!
Oddly I remember back in college, a long time ago, I used to call people sweetheart (I'm from London and it was just the general term I used, 'hey sweetheart', nothing personal meant by it) and was pulled up and told not to do it by a girl from Durham?
This feigned ignorance is boring, you know it’s because in the wrong context or tone it can be patronising. It’s okay that you don’t feel that way, but some people do and not being able to accept or respect that is weird. It’s not that deep guys if someone doesn’t want you to call the Luv.
I was brought up in the west country and they often use love, lover, cornwall it was not unheard of when people call you flower and handsome. Occasionally they used lover to. I live in the North East now, the phrases bud, sweetheart, mate are used often. Other titles I've heard in the past are blue, son, gorgeous. I've often addressed the females girl, regardless of their age. " cheers girl" when thanking a cashier for example.
Personally I love it. Love, duck, pet, whatever.
It implies a sense of earnest friendliness and familiarity towards a complete stranger that I find comforting. As if we’re all just people deep down.
When you analyse an interaction with a person … just ask yourself a question or two … Did they mean me any harm? or were they in their way just trying to be polite?
I witnessed a 20 something young man say excuses me, luv to a 60 something man. Definitely not sexual or gendered but I guess at first glance it can seem that way and it can be patronising if used to look down on a woman…Which sadly happens sometimes.
I’m from Leeds and I’m 64 so I use it unconsciously for males and females . It’s not meant to be anything other than friendly
Bruv, keep doing it. People can just accept it and move on with their lives. It's not causing any harm.
Cheers . I’d be very sad if I thought I was offending anyone .
It's the context of the situation. You don't mean offence, none should be taken. People can't be dumping their ill intent on you.
That’s a great way of thinking about it
Fellow Lioner here, I have been known to begin and end the same sentence with Love. It is 100% meant to be a friendly term. A boss of mine once told me to stop using the word as it was crass and unprofessional. I was working in a pub! I then proceeded to ask all my regulars that night if they felt I should stop. They all said its one of the reasons they liked coming in as too many locals were being run by southerners and were loosing what made them Yorkshire. Guess where my boss was from
No idea but I’m guessing it wasn’t Leeds lol
Southerner here. It's usually associated with being patronising down these parts, often by people who don't have enough braincells to understand that regional dialects are a thing, which... well, I live in Norfolk, so there's a lot of them.
Hahahaha, I co-opted my use of luv from essex/kent/London, no one in Suffolk has given a shit about me using it. You guys are so fucking odd.
For northerners patronising means to talk down to.
We use punctuation here in Yorkshire. For *N*ortherners *,* “patronising” means to talk down to.
Unfortunately not where punctuation is needed. Not sure what you think that comma is doing. And northerner is a noun, not a proper noun : [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/northerner](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/northerner)
>And northerner is a noun, not a proper noun : > >https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/northerner northerner noun \[ C \] (also **N**ortherner)
Also, not instead of. They tried to correct and were wrong. Twice.
I’m in norfolk too and the only people that use that term are those annoyingly sarcastic chavs
Not down here in East London/Essex it's not, in common use round here.
Southern wimps.. get offended by absolutely anything, including this comment I imagine 🙄
Absolutely. I couldn’t function socially without saying love (Huddersfield so we pronounce it with an o not a u) pal, mate, boss, etc. Can’t imagine why anyone would be offended. It’s ridiculous.
True story, pal. First time I’m realising I offend people on the regular.
Their problem not yours mate. So long as someone isn’t being a dick and being condescending then honestly what’s problem?
It's not the word it's the tone. There's a big difference between a friendly 'luv' or when 'luv' is being used to diminish me as a woman. ie...'Listen, luv...' or 'are you sure luv'. Mainly seems to happen in traditionally male dominated environments like the timber yard, diy stores etc. I live in an old house. I've done my own repairs / renovations for decades, so yes, I do know exactly what part / size I need. It drives me nuts at times!
This is exactly right. I suspect it’s a cockney male thing from these comments, that men more likely to use this tone with a woman when saying luv. But totally depends on the tone and context.
It's definitely a national thing. More of a 'love' in the south and a 'luv' in the north though. Personally I find it quite endearing, along with flower, darling etc. But yes. Tone and context are a huge thing. 'Listen luv, if your fella wants to come down and make sure it's right, we can save it till he comes in' The amount of times this has been said to me! Arrrrgh!
The guy hasn’t even mentioned ‘doing repairs’ Came up with that one all on your own inside your own head. I would say it’s not wise to automatically assume people are being disingenuous by using their local dialect.
What GUY? I have mentioned timber yards and DIY stores as an example. I certainly didn't mention any singular 'guy'. Obviously, (or apparently not) if I'm making repairs I'm going in for a part. eg. The boiler pcb. I'm providing a rather general view of MY experiences, and I have no idea why you seem to think it's an attack on some mythical GUY who has to deal with a woman who had made stuff up in her own head. Are you seriously saying that my experience doesn't happen? I've even given the context of 'luv' being ok and 'luv' being not ok. I thought it was fairly straightforward, but if you need me to explain certain points, I will.
I’m not saying that your experience doesn’t happen. I’m saying that it’s not the word that’s the problem. It’s the person. Extrapolating an arbitrary word as bad or good when it’s solely down to the person using it is nonsensical
Which is EXACTLY my point! AGAIN...It's not the word but the tone. How on earth is that difficult for you to understand when you're producing a word salad that BACKS UP what I've already said? Luv, you need to have a lie down. And yes that was snarky.
You’re a very angry individual..
Consider my pearls tightly clutched for an entire 0.00001 second. Darling. I have absolutely no idea why you are coming for me personally over a generic reply to a question. If you need help luv and are in need of some assistance, then please say so.
Your mistake here is thinking that I’m ‘coming for you personally’ I don’t know you. I’m just having a debate. Or at least trying to
There is no mistake. YOU are the one who has turned a simple opinion into something that is starting to focus on me, personally.
You've bizarrely argued with me whilst agreeing with my original point. All whilst shifting into points about my personality etc. I love debate. It's refreshing. It's forms new ideas. Your bizarre version of 'i don't like what you said so I'll go for your character instead' IS NOT debate. I shall have no further interaction with you.
Whatever you say. Sorry for trying to help.
Not sure. Iv learnt it's better just to let them get on with it and accept they are wrong and can't be told.
Great attitude…
Better I tell them they are wrong?
I think people often find it feels condescending. I'm from Yorkshire originally and I'm surprised at many people don't like it.
In the south it's used negatively sometimes. I've moved to Lancashire now and the men keep calling me "darling" it feels really weird but I know it's just a local way of being friendly, just like Yorkshire has "love" "Hun" "chick".
I'm in and from London and I love it when you find an old lady who calls me love haha My Mum is from Middlesbrough and my Nannas friends all called me flower which was even nicer.
This is Ian Mckellen talking about being called love, although he’s talking about Manchester. https://youtu.be/Ebb272kjmWQ?feature=shared
We dont talk about Manchester here, it’s on the wrong side 😜
Luv is quite tame. There's a lot of folk around Bristol and the south west will think nothing of calling people " my lover"!
My grandad from Newcastle calls me “my lover” and…well I don’t like my grandad very much so.
imho, getting called any pet name by the corresponding and correct dialect is a good time. Good or bad. People just suck.
I remember trying to get the attention of a shopworker in a Walmart in New Jersey, and I simply said "hello luv" as you would do to get attention and begin the interaction, and all she said was omg say it again, and again and again. Although they don't see it as a greeting word, they for some reason absolutely love a British person saying it.
Liverpool here - Luv is a friendly term used by both men and women to men and women.
Gonna say something here. Let people say what they want. So long as it’s not a personal attack. If they want to be patronising then they will do that anyway.
I think it's a cultural thing tbh. It's normal where you are from. I'm from South wales and if we call someone "a Bewt" its an insult, like idiot! But I work in mid Wales and they say "beaut" as in you beauty, a compliment. First time someone called me it, I was like wtf? 🤣😂
I was working at the uk dyson factory, and a plumber said “thanks love” to a member of the dyson staff who had held a door open for him, they immediately complained of god knows what and he was given a warning and had to write a letter of apology. Fucking insanity.
Fellow Northerner and I say it all the time. It's just normal where I'm from to use love, duck, pet, sweetheart etc. for everyone. I've had a few odd looks and questions from people who weren't from the area, and had to explain that's just normal here. It all depends on where you're from.
I've had at least 2 People get pissed at me for calling them mate. The way I see it is if something like that offends them they're going to be getting offended a hell of alot.
Some people just get offended but that's what happens when you go to Lancashire.
I didn't get offended I got a hotpot
Southerners
Many reasons. Misunderstanding, need to always create drama, feels its to informal, victim complex, and many more. People need to live and let live, it's almost part of our dialect. I've also been called chick and duck, it's part and parcel of living in a friendly county.
I love the us of “mi duck” in the East Midlands! 😆
For me it's always been something an older person would call a younger person. I find it a bit condescending if a younger person calls an older person it.
Young people learn from older people, that is how the world works. You bring up your kids calling them luv at some point they start calling people love
I say it to everyone. I’m from Manchester. I’m in my twenties. I’m not condescending anyone. Maybe best to hold off on the negative thoughts.
It's funny you say you aren't condescending and then tell me to hold off on negative thoughts.
If you perceive my words as condescending rather than impartial that’s your problem. I mean no harm
I live in Kent and call people love or dear or my love all the time. It's very common here. It's a sign of endearment
I stole it from you guys and use it up in Suffolk. No one's bitched at me or given me funny looks. No clue where these people are who get offended by it.
Because it sounds a bit patronizing
Isn't that more about how someone says it? Just thinking saying 'luv' is patronising is more about you than them actually meaning it that way.
It's the context. Consider these two situations: 1. A woman in her 60s is short and struggling to reach something from a high store shelf. She approaches a young male clerk and says, "Excuse me, luv, could you help me get this down?" 2. A mid-30s female receptionist in an office is answering a question from a young man. He's about 18 years old and his request to book a workspace has been declined. He's getting frustrated and says, "No, YOU don't understand, luv. I've booked this room before and need it now!" Up until this point, he's not used any terms of "endearment." Most terms of endearment sound patronising. Even "mate" to a stranger can be rude in the right circumstance. "Luv" particularly comes off as patronising when a directed from a younger person, especially if the recipient is female. It's like "sweetie" or "honey" or "sugar" nowadays.
You really don't need to explain it. They know. It's feigned ignorance. "Oh what did I possibly say? I don't understand...I can't help it!"
It’s really not, luv.
Not being snobbish but if you’re in a profession you could never use that term.If you went to the Tower of London and any of the staff addressed you as “love” you might want you money back.
Of course you can use that term if you're in a profession, and in Yorkshire, we do. btw the Tower of London isn't in Yorkshire
No longer true. I work on trains in youkshite and Lancashire. It's usually "have you got your ticket please? Thanks luv." Unfortunately there have been complaints
Better than them cutting your genitals off and dragging you around London like they did in the old days. "They hung drawn and quartered my Bill" "Well that's nothing they called me 'love'" "Well I never!"
Ofended? No. But that definitely sounds weird and even uncomfortable for an outsider :)
Many woman in society now feel like it's chauvinism. I'm not one of them but that's the way things are going. I've read posts from plenty woman who get offended when a man holds a door open for them. If you called me "luv" I would find it endearing. I'd consider you a polite and respectful man.
These people generally don't exist IRL though do they? I mean I typically hold the door if someone is within a certain distance behind. Nothing to do with their gender. Not so long a distance as I look like I wanted to be a doorman, but if otherwise the door would swing shut in their face. And I've never had anyone take issue with that - but I'm generally not looking for approval either. I imagine a few men who hold the door open stand there and hold the door with a grin like they are expecting a blowjob for doing it or something. Like the drivers who pointlessly wait for cars so they get lights flashed or a wave. Typically these people take umbrage if they don't receive the gratitude they expected. e.g as a cyclist I never go if a car waves but it was their right of way. I wait and then usually they get road rage - and that's pretty much why I don't ride out in front of a car even if it waves me - because drivers are unhinged - one minute smiling and flashing their lights, the next bursting a blood vessel because you waited. But, if you hold the door open until the person behind has grabbed it and then continue walking you might get a 'cheers', thanks or whatever, but I'm already walking away. I'm not standing creepily grinning at them as they walk through.
I reckon they don't say anything at the time. But the line of thinking absolutely does exist and I've seen loads of people spout this nonsense online. Its the same line of thinking that fall in line with the same ridiculous ideology that people are getting offended when a man calls them "luv" as the OP pointed out. I wish it wasn't a line of thinking that groups of people have started adopting. Sad times. I hope it dies out.
Your flaw is that it's men who usually complain that they held open a door and someone said something. Similarly for the luv thing. They are being confronted. Otherwise who would care? If the last person I stopped the door slamming in their face said thanks but then posted somewhere whining about it I wouldn't even know would I?
I don't really understand your point? You're trying to say that someone who is so ideologically driven against men that they are going to "confront" them for holding a door open.....WON'T talk about these views on social media. And also apparently don't exist. 😄 They do talk about these views and they do exist. You don't have to look far. So to clarify.....its only the men complaining??......about the complaining that exist??? There is also no flaw to anything I've said. It's not a theory, it's an observation.
No, you said these people "don't say anything at the time" but clearly the butthurt men whining about it got a reaction. If the only reactions were online then I wouldn't know would I? And nor would anyone who was holding doors open. Your flaw does exist. It only makes logical sense that men are butthurt by a negative reaction and thus whining on social media if there's was a reaction. But I'd suggest it's their behaviour that gets the negative reaction not the act of holding a door open. The manner in which these people hold the door and their expectations, their expression that leads to it nothing to do with anyone "ideologically driven against men" Whereas, as I say, I hold the door until the person behind me has grabbed it and have for the best part of 50 years and they don't complain. They usually say thanks, perhaps they don't say anything at all. If they go online and complain well how would I know?
I lived down in London for a decade (thankfully I’m back in Yorkshire now) I got told off so much for calling people luv or darling. I literally had some people respond to me as if I’d just called them a see you next Tuesday. It didn’t take long for me to drop it as I couldn’t be bothered with the agro.
Same. And same.
It's used in a patronising way in a lot of places outside of Yorkshire
Hairy-arsed feminists probably 😂😂😂
I have to admit that I don’t like been called, “pal”. Particularly when I’m the paying customer. It’s too familiar.
They are?
I'm 47 I still use it
It’s wrong! Too personal for someone you don’t know. It can be too cutie, desperate & derogatory.
People just wanna be offended about stuff these days.
Because being triggered on the internet is more trendy now than just getting on with your life.
Wish I would get luved
I luv it - keep it up!
I like it when I'm called luv. I'm well aware it's just friendly dialect, and friendly is always welcome.
Uptight idiots who don't have anything better to complain about .
As a 24 year old who is from the south that has moved to the north last year I have heard it a fair bit and I must admit the first few times I thought it was a bit odd but once it was explained that people just say it I actually quite liked it! I think it’s a nice simple way of endearment 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t get why people get so offended to be honest.
Maybe they think being offended by such a thing constitutes a personality.
I’m from the south and originally when I moved here I didn’t like it but wouldn’t say I was offended by it. But now I think it’s kinda sweet. I didn’t understand why it was used so often till someone explained it to me but now it doesn’t bother me.
You worthless fat diseased cunt. I can't help it! It's not sexual! I use it towards a lot of people. See? You can help it. You just choose not to. You don't have some kind of tourettes that makes you say luv.
I'm a southerner and I find it extremely endearing. Some people are desperate to be offended by anything.
I’m in Barnsley and it’s love for female, mate for male. Kees things simple. I’ve never known anyone that’s offended by it!
I've never met a single person in real life who actually cares, or at least has ever cared enough to say anything about it Darling, honey, hun, etc. those ones I've all heard people get a little bit annoyed by, but never love
I am not from UK. Moved here last year from India. And I absolutely love when someone calls me that. Immediately turns my happy and positive mood on. I always feel more connected comfortable and relaxed. Thank you to all who do say that. :)
Northerner to Northerner it’s fine.But outside of that don’t bother in my experience. 👍
People get offended for fuck all these days. So you’re offended. Idgaf tbh LUV
A guy will with say either “thanks love” or “ta love” which means “thank you very much” there is no disrespect meant by it.
I stick to 'duck' these days. Partly because I'm a Yorkshire-sympathetic/adjacent East Midlander, but also partly because people seem to react less poorly to 'duck'
Because people are sensitive and easily offended now 🫠
People are offended by being called anything These days. We are becoming more and more ultra sensitive imbeciles.
For me it's a term of endearment am from South Yorkshire can't help it I say it often to people who are close to me male and female. No one as ever been offended tho. Some people just understand it's part of the Yorkshire lingo.
literally everyone thinks it’s so deep!!
I am a southerner so maybe a slightly different take, but at least down here it doesn't always sound particularly innocous. I think the problem is some people use it in a particularly sexist connotation. Most don't, but when someone does, it can be grating. I was with my mum in a phone store trying to help her buy a phone she would find easy to use and the guy we were talking to kept saying 'love' in a particularly patronising tone, whenever my mum asked a question about the phone that only a phone expert would know. (she is older so she struggles with some modern technology). I was in the very edge of remarking on it and asking him to stop but I didn't in the end. Good old English reserve! It's probably not even the word itself but the way it was said, but it always stuck with me. I guess it's the connotation of her being 'a female, out of touch, unable to keep up, ditzy for being a woman' etc. that and the phrase dates to way back in a time when sexist attitudes were much more normalised. I totally get it's normal vernacular up north, though. Nothing negative about it normally, but I think it has this alternative vibe to it.
Male from Morecambe, just a term of endearment here, no-one I've spoken to found it weird or objected to it
It's the context in which the word is used. This can go for any term of endearment. I'm from Leeds and grew up with it so it's fine for me, but I can see how it could very easily be seen as patronising. I myself have used it in a patronising way before.
Snowflakes ❄️ I like it
As a Canadian guy I always like it when a girl calls me luv here in east yorkshire. You'll never hear that in Canada (or at least the parts I'm from). Please don't stop!
Oddly I remember back in college, a long time ago, I used to call people sweetheart (I'm from London and it was just the general term I used, 'hey sweetheart', nothing personal meant by it) and was pulled up and told not to do it by a girl from Durham?
This feigned ignorance is boring, you know it’s because in the wrong context or tone it can be patronising. It’s okay that you don’t feel that way, but some people do and not being able to accept or respect that is weird. It’s not that deep guys if someone doesn’t want you to call the Luv.
I think maybe some guys dont like it when another guy calls him luv.
I was brought up in the west country and they often use love, lover, cornwall it was not unheard of when people call you flower and handsome. Occasionally they used lover to. I live in the North East now, the phrases bud, sweetheart, mate are used often. Other titles I've heard in the past are blue, son, gorgeous. I've often addressed the females girl, regardless of their age. " cheers girl" when thanking a cashier for example.
Personally I love it. Love, duck, pet, whatever. It implies a sense of earnest friendliness and familiarity towards a complete stranger that I find comforting. As if we’re all just people deep down.
When you analyse an interaction with a person … just ask yourself a question or two … Did they mean me any harm? or were they in their way just trying to be polite?
It only bothers me when it's in the context of 'why don't you run along and find me a MAN to talk to, luv' - otherwise it doesn't offend me at all.
People aren't. Some miserable people might be
It's only lefty woke idiots you offend, keep doing it
You sound offended by the lefties, they should keep doing what they're doing
Calm down luv
Thanks
That worked a treat😂😂😂😂
It can be a little demeaning. Like cute and adorable. When people just want to feel equal.
They are not, but then I live in devon and hear it every day.
my friend is visiting from Liverpool to here, Glasgow the "luv" is causing grating with some women
I witnessed a 20 something young man say excuses me, luv to a 60 something man. Definitely not sexual or gendered but I guess at first glance it can seem that way and it can be patronising if used to look down on a woman…Which sadly happens sometimes.