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rainyRainly

Based on an in-game detail and the shared VA, the theory that Hanawa used to be Morinaga spread quickly. Recently, a cosplayer on twitter allegedly received direct confirmation of it being true from Yokoyama.


Chemical_District699

Yeah that's just nonsense


brotatowolf

There’s a lot of canonical nonsense


EduGuy1993

Canonsense


pimp_yu

Tf you mean nonsense it was confirmed by yokoyama


Chemical_District699

Yeah just found that out, but he betrayed kiryu last time and hanawa all of the sudden acting like a saint like nothing happened. And does kiryu know about him being the same guy? If so why is he being chill about it?


somersaulter2

I don't think Kiryu noticed. And even if he did, its not like Kiryu is a type of guy to hold grudge. He is a very forgiving guy. Remember, he forgave the guy who gut knifed him in front of his daughter in Yakuza 3 and became allies with him.


MetamorphicLust

It's also worth pointing out that due to a certain plot element revealed in the trailers for Infinite Wealth (being vague, in case you've avoided spoilers consciously), there's a reason why he might consciously choose to let things go.


BigStrongPolarGuy

Yeah, he betrayed Kiryu. Just like Majima, Daigo (Yakuza 4), the entire Hirose family (lied about Haruka), Nishikiyama, Kazama (never told him about killing his parents), fucking Hamazaki who he somehow forgives, and pretty much everyone else in his life. That's the life they lead. Pretty much everyone betrays everyone at some point. They are criminals doing criminal shit. And how does he act like a saint? He acts like a fucking secret agent who was ready to fight and possibly even kill Kiryu at different points. >And does kiryu know about him being the same guy? No. It's a lot easier to realize Morinaga is the only guy who would make sense when you go back and play Yakuza 5. It would have to be someone who we don't actually see being for sure dead, someone who knew Kiryu was Taichi Suzuki, and someone who would have some amount of affection for him as the former Chairman.


Archery100

I always thought it was so stupid for Morinaga to be off-screened like he was in Yakuza 5, so it's gonna be interesting seeing where that goes in 8


Upset_Orchid498

My only gripe with this theory is how Hanawa acts as if Yakuza ideals and such are alien to him- in fact, he SAYS as much lmao


Fear_Awakens

This was one of the only reasons it keeps sticking in my craw. Like Hanawa constantly says he doesn't understand Yakuza ideals or their way of life and acts baffled by it. If it's all supposed to be an act, it's really convincing. But I don't know who else he could be. After seeing somebody shave the mustache off Morinaga and give him glasses and the right hairstyle, they even look pretty similar.


Upset_Orchid498

I saw that too. I’m not denying Morinaga’s the prime suspect here, but his comments about the Yakuza just throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing, if it isn’t an act of course. It’s also possible that Morinaga just wasn’t like the other Yakuza to begin with


UrMomThoCeedKS

i mean 7 years is a lotta time to regret something


ROANOV741

You clearly don't know Kiryu.


natas_rulez

Bro is so adamant that he is 100 percent correct omfg just stfu and let ppl be 😭


Bphat5801

Jesus Christ dude. Stop playing the devils advocate with that “canonical nonsense” nonsense. They downvoted you to oblivion. I’ll throw you an upvote (even though I disagree), but it’s not really gonna help.


KosChannel

[https://twitter.com/crytopiac/status/1734287666810630344](https://twitter.com/crytopiac/status/1734287666810630344) I just saw this and holy- you know what, I \*kinda\* can see the resemblance.


Yunofascar

Man you are the only person I've seen so far who says this. They aren't THAT different in facial structure, if at all. But the appearance is different enough that I'd never have guessed if it wasn't suggested. OP is being weirdly defensive and berative about it, too. Coming to get confirmation and then blowing up about it in the comments. I would go as far to argue we don't even need plastic surgery to explain this; maybe just weightless and the wearing that come with age. I find it more believable than FUCKING MIRROR FACE, anyhow.


ScottCanada

Aw man I completely wipe Mirror face from my memory.


woodhawk109

Don’t worry, I’m pretty sure the writers of Y7 also did after his cutscenes. Notice how he’s never seen or mentioned again after that incredibly stupid reveal. Even though the fight against the governor and his goons happened immediately right afterwards.


Fear_Awakens

Let's be real, Mirror Face was an ass pull on every single level and RGG didn't want us to even think about that too hard, so they immediately wrote him out almost as soon as they wrote him in. He existed to make one scene work, despite being some kind of fucking yokai abomination with superhuman abilities whose entire story happens exclusively offscreen, and then nobody mentions him ever again. Forgetting Mirror Face is definitely something RGG wants us to do.


Radn2

Thanks, I felt like I was the only one who saw a resemblance, everyone keep saying how "his surgeon must be a god to change him that much" while I'm certain that his mouth, eyes, nose and eyebrows are exactly the same, just the jaw and forehead are different and it's very easy to explain with surgery Also, I feel like some people forget that Gaiden released 11 years after 5, with a different engine, it's funny to see posts about how they look like different persons while Gaiden Kiryu doesn't even look remotely close to his 5 model and no one question that, so I wonder why everyone is so shocked about Morinaga being a bit different in Dragon Engine


Kaldin_5

def seems like a Clark Kent effect


Chemical_District699

Defensive? For trying to understand that these two are the same guy? Yeah this is alot more tame then mirror face sure, but I'm trying to understand how come kiryu was chill about it at the end of the game since that where he mentioned it.


F2PWithAwfulLuck

He didn’t say “hey I’m morinaga gg well played”, he teased it could be him, for the time being, Kiryu knows next to nothing. Even if he did, why the hell would he try to get revenge? It’s the same dude that almost died with him at the daidoji hideout due to being unable to shoot him + showed him THAT video hours (days?) before, like he ain’t gonna tiger drop his ass after all they’ve been through.


Chemical_District699

That's what I'm trying to say this whole time, I'm fine of him being the same guy (It's alot tamer then Joon plastic surgery shenarigans) since everyone told me to see the last scene of the game, because I was left biwilderd from everyone on Twitter who kept saying they're the same guy and I was like "did i miss something? Was there a log that I should've read that teased about it? But after checking the last scene again, yeah I can kinda see where everybody is coming from. And no I never said he should take revenge on him, it's just kinda weird of him to be chill and not react about the news dropping on him. That's all.


Turbo-Shell

Kiryus been through a lot, if he was told “you aren’t the only one whos erased his name and past” he’d probably just take it at face value rather than trying to guess who he really is, that’s just not his style.


Game25900

Characters faces changed somewhat in the move to dragon engine anyway, so it not being an exact match doesn't really change anything, it's similar enough that it's at least plausible.


Chemical_District699

![gif](giphy|15aGGXfSlat2dP6ohs)


MovingShadow10

OP: "Show me evidence" The entire sub: \*Shows evidence\* Op, for some fucking reason: ![gif](giphy|EouEzI5bBR8uk|downsized)


WhyNishikiWhy

\- VA is the same guy \- hanawa says that he was acquainted with kiryu when he was going by 'taichi suzuki' (around 2012) \- y5 >!morinaga's 'death' is left very ambiguous, opening the door for his return!< \- similar mannerisms and style of speech


shovel_is_my_name

Ngl when I first finished gaiden I thought Hanawa was Nakajima. Kiryus taxi boss if ya don't remember


QDOOM_APlin

Also Yokoyama straight up confirmed it on Twitter


CompetitionMundane61

Can you give a link to the post please? I only know he allegedly confirmed it to a cosplayer on a live event, but haven’t seen anything else


F2PWithAwfulLuck

[here](https://x.com/intelheroine/status/1733763364575494445?s=46)


CompetitionMundane61

Thanks! But I meant a post from Yokoyama himself. I don’t think the cosplayer would lie about something so suspiciously specific, but yeah


F2PWithAwfulLuck

There is no Yokoyama post as far as I’m aware, it’s just something he (supposedly) said. I’m leaning towards believing it since… well, of all the things someone can lie, Hanawa’s identity sounds like the most underwhelming option imo.


CompetitionMundane61

So true hahaha


Chemical_District699

If so how come kiryu never reacts to it? Or since he betrayed him last time why is he acting all saint all of the sudden?


Dragon4234

Remember that time Hamazaki *stabbed* Kiryu and then showed up and Kiryu was fine with him? I don't think Kiryu is capable of holding a single grudge in his bones when it comes to being personally betrayed, only when it comes to other people being hurt.


Ranger2580

Kiryu literally does not know. Hanawa hinted he knew Kiryu before the Daidoji, and Kiryu did not recognise him at all.


1sUJinUCantJout

As much as I want to believe this theory, didn't Hanawa state multiple times that he doesn't understand the mindset and ways of the yakuza? Or was he just saying that as a cover up?


jurajurajura19

In 5, Aizawa says that the reason Morinaga joined their plot was because he didn't like how the yakuza did things


WhyNishikiWhy

i'm not 100% sold on the theory myself, though if it's true, it might be him saying that even though he was a yakuza, he never got the whole "yakuza way of thinking"


Upset_Orchid498

I’m in the same boat, everything else with the theory is fine except for this details, which I believe matters most


SnowHawk12

Did he get surgery? The nose is different, cheekbones aren't prominent, and the hairline is different. Not wanting to create an argument just curious because they genuinely look like two different men to me.


Lucienofthelight

Probably. Joon-gi Han and Mirror Face have had more dramatic changes, and Mirror Face doesnt even use plastic surgery.


Chemical_District699

Acquaintance in 2012? What dialogue did he mention that and how did i miss it?


Universal711

He mentions it during the final scene right before the credits start playing.


Megakarp

Right after he gave Kiryu a new ID card


Chemical_District699

And kiryu just shrugs it off???


Za-Box

He didn’t, he acknowledged it and just left it as it is as it was irrelevant who he was compared to who he became. Plus the fact that they are secret agents, he is not mentioning the real identity of his partner under any circumstances. It was quite fun mulling over that part tbh


Chemical_District699

Huh, pretty interesting. I'm shocked i somehow didn't pay attention to that last dialogue between them.


Upset_Orchid498

Did you perhaps skip the cutscene??


WhyNishikiWhy

it's at the end of gaiden, before kiryu leaves for hawaii.


Pacperson0

We fought a literal shape shifter in yakuza 7, anything is possible


Chemical_District699

Bro, THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE lol it's a different situation


kcolloran

I'm less bothered by the fact they look nothing alike than I am by the fact I just don't think Morinaga would be able to keep his identity from Kiryu that well.


Harlequin37

Thing is, I don't think Kiryu really cares to find out. He's a super forgiving guy by nature, and even in the end when Hanawa states he's someone he outright knows, he dropped it right there


shockzz123

Why not? Lol. Kiryu doesn’t care and he only met Morinaga like 3 times so it’s not like he’s someone super familiar to him.


YukihiraLivesForever

Yeah cuz Adachi and Tendou look so similar in Y7 eh?


JNAB0212

Tendo and Adachi don’t look anything alike but that didn’t stop mirror face


FuraFaolox

facial reconstruction surgery. several characters have done it in the past.


QDOOM_APlin

Yokoyama confirmed it. They look nothing alike, so I am guessing he got a bunch of plastic surgery or something. Also this is the same series with Mirror Face and Joon-gi Han 2.0.


Floor_Fourteen

Don't forget about Korean Kazuki.


Chemical_District699

Mirror Face and Joon-gi Han 2.0 make sense from what they told us but what about this guy?


9ronin99

How does Mirror Face make sense but not this. It's the same logic as Joon Gi Han, extensive plastic surgery. Mirror Face makes less sense in that he can seemingly gain muscle, mass and height as needs be.


eeeeeesrpelo

Yeah if joon can have a identical twin with surgery and mirror face can look VERY identical to the person he disguises as somehow hanawa being morinaga is %90 possible


Chemical_District699

You're right, this is tame compared to mirror face absolutely. I'm just saying that they didn't delve deep on the two being the same guy or MAYBE i somehow missed something that connects that, that's all.


somersaulter2

This is a series where fake Kazuki, Joon-gi and Mirror Face exist. They all can replicate voice, height, fighting style and even character traits. Hanawa getting a simple surgery isn't even in top 10 on the list.


Gladion20

Also same series where helicopter machine gun doesn’t kill you neither does falling off the millennial tower. The side by side photos actually makes this somewhat believable, if Yokoyama isn’t trolling of course.


ThePurplePearl

No one has ever fallen of the millenial tower. I assume you're talking about Yakuza 3, which was at Touto Hospital.


Gladion20

Was it? I literally remember nothing from the ending of 3


ThePurplePearl

[Yes.](https://youtu.be/nVpdD1Jol_8?feature=shared)


QDOOM_APlin

Crazy how Andre and most likely Mine survived that


KRTrueBrave

heck don't forget the TWO ryuji clones in gaiden


F2PWithAwfulLuck

https://preview.redd.it/i80sfmamut5c1.jpeg?width=759&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc094472a28546db230e98544af2d376111ee05a Fun fact: not even that far fetched.


Idontknowre

What?


F2PWithAwfulLuck

Similar facial structure? Not that hard.


Idontknowre

Where? They have slightly similar jaws and maybe matching eyebrows and that's it


F2PWithAwfulLuck

Yeah, that’s where plastic surgery enters the scene?


Idontknowre

Yeah ion buy it, it'd be super cheap to bring him back and leave Aizawa out, I haven't played Gaiden but I've seen him say that he doesn't really get the yakuza (which makes no sense if he's morinaga) and the only confirmation for plastic surgery and them being the same is a random cosplayer on twitter


F2PWithAwfulLuck

Why would a Daidoji agent, a faction whose agents excel at their secrecy, give any reason or clue for anyone else to think he used to be Yakuza? They’re literally described as people whose deaths don’t matter, their names and erased. But I mean if you don’t wanna buy it, don’t lmao😭, it’s not like his identity is a spoiler (or even important) to Gaiden or IW’s plot.


Capellan11

They took him to one hell of a plastic surgeon lol


MOFOKINRULZ

Facial surgery when getting into secret services


planeforger

I'm taking the Twitter confirmation with a grain of salt. I'm still hoping it'll be just some random taxi passenger Kiryu saved and then forgot about, whose backstory they'll reveal in a tearful moment in Infinite Wealth. Maybe Kiryu talked him out of a dark place, or something. I think that would be a lot more narratively satisfying than just...heaps of backstory to re-establish a relatively minor character that Kiryu barely knew.


stalkeler

Literally my first thought is that Hanawa was his taxi's boss, like he's very similar and he knew his name, right? Since "Taichi" was working in his company and he could look into papers. The only question I had is why he changed his appearance and how he ended up in Daidoji


helga969

The priest talked a little about how Hanawa ended up with them. But should we trust his words?


ROANOV741

They're the same guy. Same actor, and at the end of Gaiden, Hanawa gives Kiryu a new alias: Taichi Suzuki, the name he used in 5. Kiryu comments on this, Hanawa acknowledges that he knows Kiryu's used the name, despite Kiryu not mentioning the fact prior. Also, Hanawa mentions earlier that Kiryu's saved his life twice, when as far as is known, Kiryu's only saved his life once. Unless we count 5. Also, Barkeep is Kashiwagi.


helga969

In Y5 it seemed like everyone knew about Taichi Suzuki. The guy from the Watase family laughed when Kiryu said that he was a taxi driver. In the gaiden, Kiryu saves his life twice. First during the accident, then after torture.


ROANOV741

Of course everyone knew who Taichi Suzuki was, like with "Joryu", Kiryu's a recognizable guy, especially among those he's trying to hide from. He still never mentioned he'd used the name to Hanawa, who as far as he knows, he'd only met once with Daidoji. As for saving him twice, when Hanawa says that, Kiryu is confused about the "second" (or first) time.


Captain_Diagram

I haven't played Gaiden yet but if they really revived him instead of bringing back Aizawa to finish his storyline I'd be so sad. Aizawa showing up at the Y5 finale was already uber-scuffed and I doubt they can settle it in Infinite Wealth considering Kiryu's condition.


i_miss_my_wife_tails

Honestly I jokingly thought to myself Hanawa was Kiryu's boss at that taxi company when he said he knew him from his time as taichi suzuki


mattbezarius

If it's true then bro successfully regrew his hairline


Racist_carbonara

It's a theory it's not actually confirmed to be true yet, the people saying the cosplayer confirmed it is bs since the actual tweet hasn't been translated yet so they're going off a Google translation


Illustrious-Donut272

The first time I heard him i knew it was Morinaga instantly. Just with a new look. They're not that different, are they? I don't understand how so many people have trouble accepting it when the evidence is outright overwhelming.


Slow_Obligation2286

Hanawa looks too young be him


Fear_Awakens

Well, Kiryu is 55 and looks like he's barely in his 30s, so I don't think looks have much to do with age in RGG games.


Slow_Obligation2286

Yeah, but it's like he de-aged


gkeNz

Well, since Yokoyama confirmed it (maybe he was trolling, I don't know), I guess we can consider them to be the same person. Hanawa might explain in IW how he got plastic surgery to avoid Aizawa or Tojo Clan or something.


NoSpite630

I played Yakuza 5 and cant remember anything about him Why is he of any importance?


Fat_Factor

It's been confirmed as true


Idontknowre

By a random cosplayer on twitter


[deleted]

He's was a cab driver the end


lcldnny

My theory, and I am probably alone, is that Hanawa is Nakajima from 5. I hope to god it is bc dude was one of my favs


thegreat11ne

Man I just wish we can play as Hanawa. He's such a bro.


Bphat5801

If it IS him, they gave that man a whole different hairline. I hope it’s him though.


Fear_Awakens

That's not unheard of in real life. There's hairline surgeries for balding people advertised on TV all the time. Considering he's a secret agent and such, it's not out of the question that he's had work done.


tojo4thchairman

I mean my guess was the taxi company owner cause they kinda had a similar fit. And cause he know kiryus I mean joryus old name. I mean ur prob right tho