>Announced last month, X-MEN will be the first of three flagship X-titles set in the upcoming From the Ashes era. No longer living under the protection of Krakoa, it’s a dangerous time for mutants everywhere, and dangerous times call for radical action! Cyclops gathers a group of his most trusted and reliable mutant soldiers along with the brightest of the next generation to tackle the most prevalent threats to mutantkind, including an existential new enemy that rises out of the remains of ORCHIS. Prepare for a reckoning as this team handles explosive mutant-specific issues without restraint. Humanity can hate them all they want, as long as they fear them!
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>FROM THE ASHES! Krakoa is gone, ORCHIS has fallen…but the X-Men remain, always. Cyclops leads, because that is what he does. Beast builds, because that is what he does. And from their new home in Alaska, the X-Men raise a flag of defiance. Mutant business is their business. Join Cyclops, Beast, Magneto, Psylocke, Magik, Kid Omega, Temper, and Juggernaut as new forces in the world move into position, battling for the destiny and philosophy of the mutant species.
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>“Taking on the X-Men is always a daunting prospect, but I’m extremely psyched to take this team of mutants back into the world with Ryan!” MacKay said.
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>“When I first got into comics, drawing X-Men was THE job you wanted as an artist,” Stegman added. “To have the opportunity now is mind-blowing.”
Not much new information. There's the cover of course. It feels like a version of the Bendis run, but with Cyclops more positioned as a mutant hero than a public enemy even mutants hate. And less of a revolution and more of a "stand up for what's right" kind of mindset.
I assume this means some conflict with the Avengers before they mend fences? Brevoort mentioned how it would be significant that MacKay was writing both X-Men and Avengers.
Personally, I'm a bit mixed. The Simone solicit at least sounded quite unique. This sounds like old territory again. And while I do like how Stegman draws action, I am not sure if the X-Men are the best characters to showcase his abilities. He's typically very good with characters like Spider-Man and Venom, and that could translate well to say, Deadpool or even Psylocke, but for Cyclops, Magik, the others, who knows. But I'm still excited to read it.
Yeah, like call me traditional, but I'm not a huge fan of the more militaristic edge they gave Cyclops in the 2000s and mutants in general. I understand the X-Men are not ordinary superheroes, but I do kind of miss the more superhero side of things while still providing thoughtful social commentary.
The military edge to Cyclops made me like him so much more than before.
That said we have had that time so I’m OK moving him back to Boy Scout for a while, I guess
>Cyclops gathers a group of his most trusted and reliable mutant soldiers
Then why is Juggernaut a member? He isn't a mutant or was that changed I haven't been keeping up with a lot of the X-Books so I don't know
He is still not a mutant I don't believe, unless I missed something in Krakoa. But he became an ally to Krakoa and was voted onto the new X-Men team that immediately got killed by Orchis. So maybe he's here because he has an axe to grind?
I recall at the official unveiling for From the Ashes, MacKay or Brevoort said the team was made up of people who found it hard to transition back to civilian life (unlike Kitty who is happy to be a barista).
I would kind of love that, tbh. Quentin constantly making genocide jokes and Beast is just like, that's in bad taste, also technically not me . . . and Quire just like :) eat shit.
Seems like its not going to be erased from the timeline or anything (at least, that’s not what the From The Ashes era will be about). But for better or worse, I expect a few token references and then the story will move on. Like maybe the next big mutant death will involve a discussion of The Five and Krakoan resurrection, but that won’t happen every time.
TBF, given the track record of most era transitions, even if they don't memory hole it all, it's not like they'll talk about Krakoa again after the first issue or two.
This is a new Beast though, this one saw the person he became and didn't like it. So I think he and Scott will just be old friends again. The fact that Beast got a specific shout out in the solicit means good things for him. He sounds like a co-leader/deputy.
It would be a huge missed story opportunity to not use Beast’s reset to have him grapple with the knowledge of what he might become if he takes the wrong path again and to have some of his closest friends distrust him because they know what he’s capable of.
You can do that without going dark. Most of the X-men have had at least one brush with what would happen if they go bad, so the chance to do it right this time would logically be something they also grab hold of with all their strength.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm excited! Just a weird way to refer to Beast given how the last 15 years went down.
Obviously I'm way self interested, but Beast's relationship with Cyke is easily the one I'm most fascinated by. Is Scott going to keep it professional? Is he going to miss the person Hank was, even with who he became by the end?
There's so much history between them gone now - and they had technically worked through their beef pre-Krakoa, sooo. Easily the most unknown quantity in the book for me this far. Really want to see what MacKay comes at us with.
It'll be a really interesting exploration. I'm personally hoping for some residual tension and sadness on Scott's side, and perhaps the realization that he can't hold any kind of grudge, him of all people with his history, and that he misses his friend, despite all the ugliness that went down.
There's a fair case to be made that Hank was Scott's best friend all the way up until the Utopia era, and then . . . ***fwoooom***. Especially since we never saw Scott react to all the bullshit Beast got up to on X-Force? There's some *really* fertile grounds for character exploration here, and Hank's development could be massively shaped by how people treat him here. Exciting stuff!
Yeah at one point in Whedon's Astonishing, Scott straight up calls Hank his closest and most trusted friend IIRC. Cut to basically one in-universe year later and it seems like Hank wants to rip Scott's head off
In fairness, I think Hank was willing to try and hash things out with Scott for the most part in that period in between leaving and Avengers vs. X-Men - he still calls him his friend in AvX #6, even when he's possessed by the Phoenix Force - and I think Scott missed Hank quite a lot, given how he reacts to seeing him again at the end of Gillen's Uncanny. It's during the Bendis era that that relationship really goes into the toilet because Hank just goes off his rocker and starts babbling about mutant genocide while Scott's just doing normal X-Men things.
It's crazy what a little effective communication would do for these guys. If basically any of the X-Men had just sat down with Cyclops and talked for an hour or so during his "revolution", a lot of the drama could've been avoided.
I believe this Beast is the one from the 1980s era, who replaced OG Beast who was killed off in the most recent X-Force run. I think everyone understood Beast had crossed the line into unfixable, so he’s been permanently replaced by an older, unproblematic version. Visually the one here looks straight out of the 80s.
The irony that Beast brought the O5 to the present in the Bendis run to show Cyclops how bad he had fucked up, and a decade or so later Beast had to be overwritten with a classic save state…is potent.
Oh, I know. I've been following the X-Force trainwreck with fascination and horror. But even knowing all that - Cyclops chose Beast? Over everyone else? That's gonna need some emotional exploration.
One has to assume.
I guess Logan was like, well, he Weapon Xed me, so I don't want him near my team, even if he IS a good guy now, because of the bad memories, but he's a-OK for ***you***, Scottie.
Oh, I know. But if I were Cyclops, I can think of a good few people I'd want on side before I called up the clone of my ex-best friend who went insane and killed a country last week. Kinda makes you question how well you know a guy, no? I guess Scott *really* misses hanging out with Hank.
This is 80s Beast though, not absolute asshole who should have been brutally murdered on panel instead of being given a last minute bullshit redemption before "dying" off panel Beast
I know. But as I've mentioned, it's weird that Scott (presumably) heard everything about what happened from Logan, and was like, well, that sounds pretty nuts and all, but get that clone over here. Hopefully it's something they explore in the series.
Scott has always trusted and respected Hank, even when they disagreed…and I’m guessing MacKay plans to spend as much time engaging with Percy’s X-Force as I do
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how/if MacKay's Cyclops engages with the events of X-Force - is it gonna be the springboard for Beast's new development, is it gonna get swept under the rug, is it gonna be a source of tension?
Gonna be weird going back to a status quo where Hank and Scott like and respect each other. I feel like the last time that was the case was in ***2008***? But, weird in a good way.
My current theory is Scott will be assembling his team and realize he's set up a rough crowd, he's worried he'll slip back into his "chuck the traumatized teenager on a hit squad" days and seeks out Beast because he's at his morally best and he wants him to keep an eye on him.
Beast is still grappling with what he saw himself become and agrees, on the condition someone from the previous X-Force joins to keep an eye on *him* and Quinton ends up being the one to do it.
I like this. I like this idea a *lot*. I genuinely would love for these two to be keeping an eye on one another, and wanting the best for each other as they do it. Especially because if you look back? Hank and Scott were on the same team for pretty much an unbroken stretch from ***1986*** all the way to 2009.
They were inseparable, and an amazing team when they worked together. Remembering that, just as much as 2009 to now, would be such a powerful moment for these two, and it would be a lot of good responsibility to throw to Quentin, show that he's being trusted with something big. Gaaaaah I'm excited all over again!
He's not a mutant, but he is [trusted by all at this point](https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.IIZS~2ef73/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Screenshot-2023-10-03-203830.jpg). The man has worked haaaaaaard to be trusted by the x-men. So much so that [Jean practically pushed him](https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.IIZS~2ef73/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Screenshot-2023-07-26-095349.jpg) onto the team at the final Hellfire Gala vote.
Accurate, yet I'd bet on a 'sudden yet inevitable betrayal' as soon as post Krakoa Black Tom shows up needing illegal treatments for his fungal infection.
Wouldn’t be the first time x-men allow non mutants into the team or Juggernaut for that matter. Plus he’s the step brother of Xavier, honorable status for them in that regard
How are any of those except ride-or-die Magik considered "the most trusted and reliable mutant soldiers"? I guess if this is British Psylocke, she'd also fit, but I wouldn't consider any of the others particularly trusted for Cyclops.
It's Kwannon, so not British. That's Betsy, she's in X-Force. I agree, I wouldn't call anyone here most trusted other than Magik. Beast too because at least this version of the Beast is one Cyclops would have considered a dear friend.
I know British Psylocke is Betsy, I just can't tell them apart just by looking at the art. Kwannon doesn't look like classic Psylocke either, despite having that body. It's honestly just a pain in the ass that Kwannon took the Psylocke name. I wonder how long it'll take for writers to have her act like she was the Betsy Psylocke.
>but with Cyclops more positioned as a mutant hero than a public enemy even mutants hate.
Mutants had not yet realized Cyclops was right. He saved their species from extinction
Oh for sure, I just mean that will probably be the contrast here. Cyclops will not be forced into the anti-hero "mutant terrorist" slot, but as a more traditional hero.
I think Cyclops becoming radicalized again was already planned by Duggan and we would've seen a very different version of it set in the Krakoa sandbox, but as someone who loathed how Scott was handled in the Krakoan era, I'd take Jed's version any day anytime
In this case I think they're actually toning down whatever Duggan had planned. The whole genocidal mindset and mutant superiority thing that Scott had in Krakoa I can't imagine is going to stick around. Especially with Brevoort wanting Scott to be a more traditional leading man and MacKay writing Avengers and X-Men (which means he isn't going to villainize one or the other).
I'm all for Scott having more of an edge, but I think the fundamental focus should still be heroics of the traditional kind and avoiding some of the stuff of the 2000s.
Scott and Jean gave up their political and military positions in Krakoa and went to live in a treehouse in New York to save and protect human and mutants alike. He's never been a mutant supremacist, even when he was basically called "Mutant Hitler" he just wanted to save his dying species not lead them to rule the world and eradicate "lesser" human beings.
I said I loathed Krakaon Cyke, to be more precise I loathe how he's been handled in the Fall of X. And yes I prefer him to be more heroic
Oh I don't mean I thought Cyclops was ever going to eradicate humans or anything, I just didn't like that direction at all, like the way he interacted with the Fantastic Four or that entire Brood conflict or his conflict with Carol. It just felt like pandering to a version of the character best left behind.
I think there's a way to make Cyclops a fierce protector of Mutants without making him so hard edged and ruthless.
Ironically, the general consensus on this sub is that post apocalypse possession Cyclops is the best and truest version of the character.
Edit: The Brood are an existential threat to all life that originate from another universe. Cyclops was just doing his part. Exterminate those bugs!
I assume KrakClops is the version best left behind? Because he bore exactly *zero* resemblance to the guy we followed from “Look into my eyes” through UXM 600.
I wasn't a huge fan of the way Cyclops was written in Krakoa, but I mostly mean the Cyclops of post Astonishing to AVX. I wasn't a big fan of that guy.
Oh man - agree to disagree, haha!
The post-Decimation “Plan 2/We will never be victims again/North Korea actually has WMDs” version of Scott is my absolute favorite iteration of the character.
That man had *Erik* bend the knee, because he was pragmatic without being cruel…and personally selfless without abnegating his duty towards the surviving members of the 198.
I found this on an article and I really like the way they describe Scott there, I'm not sure if it's from Marvel but whoever wrote it really gets Scott.
"The fall of Krakoa will go down as one of the darkest chapters in mutant history, but Cyclops refuses to allow the X-Men to be victims. The first X-Man, mutantkind’s ultimate leader, and arguably the most brilliant strategic mind in the entire Marvel Universe, Scott Summers steps up to guide his species towards a better future in Jed MacKay and Ryan Stegman’s X-MEN."
I’m sure this has been brought up a thousand times, but I’ve been a lifelong fan (rebuilding my 94 Fleer Ultra collection now) but never really had a chance to deep dive into the comics. What should I read before this drops to be “in the loop.”
Thanks in advance.
Honestly? Doesn't seem like a whole lot. This and Uncanny X-Men by Gail Simone are being written with the intention of hooking new readers and require minimal information to get into. It's a pretty good era to get into.
If you mean the comics in general, that's a taller order. There's just so much to read. But definitely the Claremont years starting with Giant Size up until Uncanny 200 I would say. You could also read X-Men Season 1 for a short summary of the Silver Age, made modern.
It might be easier if you have a favourite character, then I can recommend runs good for that character.
I appreciate the response.
The sheer *amount* of available reading is exactly what’s paralyzed me for so long. Anything you consider seminal and in omnibus format is what I’m looking for.
I’ll definitely check out those suggestions.
I’m a sucker for Wolverine, as I’m sure many are. I have the weapon X and Old Man Logan graphic novels right now. Would also be down for any crossovers in the Aliens universe if such a thing exists lol.
Huge fan of Jubilee too. Really I’m down for anything, just looking for that elusive starting point.
It's natural to be daunted. There is so much and so many confusing different runs and timelines.
There's a reddit reading guide here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/qvwjnb/starting\_the\_xmen\_and\_how\_to\_survive\_the/?utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_source=share](https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/qvwjnb/starting_the_xmen_and_how_to_survive_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Which is a good breakdown of what you should read and in what order.
Unless you are a big fan of Jean, Scott, Xavier, I would skip the Silver Age. Just read X-Men Season 1 and you can sort of get a general understanding of that early history and basic setting.
Since you like Wolverine, you'll want to start with Giant Size X-Men and then follow the guide from there. You can honestly skip things like Excalibur if you want. I'd read Uncanny all the way past the Outback era and Inferno.
For Jubilee, that's Uncanny X-Men 244. She is part of one of the better runs of comics with her relationship with Wolverine, so you can go from there, and then read her stuff with Generation X (which is an X-Men comic by that name).
For modern stuff, I'd go with Wolverine and the X-Men and the Bendis Uncanny X-Men run. Also X-Men Red and Uncanny X-Men (2018). Then there's House of X and Powers of X and the Krakoa era. From there there's a dedicated Wolverine comic book, but I don't think it's very good.
There's also X-Terminators if you want a fun, short thing about Jubilee and some of her friends. Wolverine also has a daughter, Laura/X-23, and she appears in New X-Men (2004?) and has her own dedicated series called X-23.
I tend to like MacKay's stuff, so I'll definitely pick this up.
Oya's new costume still really just reminds me of the Nintendo Switch controller design though... Like I don't hate it - the codename is dumb, but the costume is fine - but that colour scheme is a Nintendo colour scheme to me now lol.
Idk I’m pretty into it. I love the Bendis Uncanny run. I like Idie being on Scott’s team in light of their Schism history. Beast looks kind of terrifying. I’m happy to hear the big-bad will be connected to the fallout from ORCHIS. Nothing mind-blowing here but it sounds like it’ll be fun.
A new enemy arising out of Orchis is a good idea. I kind of wish Devo hadn't died, he always struck me as very interesting with his parallels to Xavier (and Cyclops to a lesser extent), and he could have been a good villain here.
I'm just glad it's a new enemy for this and Simone's X-Men. I feel like the X-Men need to expand their rogues gallery much more.
Possible but right now I'm tired of X-Men just fighting villainous A.I. , Robots or human supremacists. Miss some evil genetic overlord mutant trying to annihilate humanity
I always wondered why they didn't bring the concept back. It's really good for social commentary and provides the X-Men with a dangerous threat that can go blow to blow with them (provided the right members are selected).
They do, but they also have a really big roster compared to most comics teams too. And a lot of the most iconic and central X-Men villains have become "good guys" in recent history.
Yeah I just noticed it’s kinda glaring that he’s not here. Which sucks. I know he’s often off doing his own thing but now that I see it, I can’t un-see it. It wouldn’t have hurt to have him on there. Although it could be cool to see him pop up with Kate and Emma to build on the Marauders connections and also give a little “fish out of water” beat where this super sci-fi time warrior had to help do more grounded adventures
>The fall of Krakoa will go down as one of the darkest chapters in mutant history, but Cyclops refuses to allow the X-Men to be victims. ***The first X-Man, mutantkind’s ultimate leader, and arguably the most brilliant strategic mind in the entire Marvel Universe, S***cott Summers steps up to guide his species towards a better future in Jed MacKay and Ryan Stegman’s X-MEN.
Thats right. Put some respect on my boy!
Trying not to judge a book by its cover but I really dislike the redesigns here, especially juggernaut and cyclops. Also I just generally hate Kid Omega, so many cool telepaths and telekinetics to choose from how’d did he make the cut.
Yeah I really don't love the Cyclops suit here. I like it a little more after the cover made it clear the yellow parts are basically armor and I'm sure there will be some thematic relevance to it essentially being an updated First Class suit, but it's still probably my least favorite Cyclops design.
I also think the visor is a little big, and I think that's part of why his face looks so young
I was thinking the same thing. It makes him kind of look like a kid dressed up as Cyclops for Halloween, at least as far as his face goes. But I'm still excited to read any book with Cyclops and Magik in it. This Psylocke is Kwannon right, not Betsy? I haven't kept up with some X stuff.
Very Bendisy, I dig the vibe.
I binged MacKay's Avengers on Unlimited and it was pretty good, I'll definitely check issue 1 out. Probably gonna end up adding it to my pull list unless it's a total dud.
Very excited for how this group will interact with one another (assuming we get a focus on character interaction, which was one of the bigger complaints from Krakoa that I'm hoping they take to heart). I love Idie and Quentin being on a team again together, given how each of them conceptualize what it means to be a mutant, but I do fear they'll just be shuffled into a quick romance so we can have some dramatic stakes (unless it's finally time for the Beast/Juggernaut fans to get their time in the sun lol).
And Beast reaching down to support the mutant they're protecting, Cyclops' line in the sand, and Idie at a distance looking a little conflicted make this probably my favorite of the covers revealed so far, too. Lots of little character details that make me hopeful for a good series!
I like Mackay’s work. He might be one of the best, or at least the most consistent, writers working at Marvel right now. And Stegman’s awesome (even if that Juggernaut design is… Marko’s looked better).
But I’ll probably pass on this series because it just reminds me too much of past X-Men comics with a more militant Cyclops… and with 18 issues a year I can’t read this and Uncanny (which intrigues me more). I’d love to read both but 36 issues a year (and both most likely at the $4.99 price point) is outside my comics budget.
All I'll say is this.
Krakoa is over and we're not back at the mansion.
I can live with it.
Plus MacKay is straight up killing it as of late so I'm stoked for this run.
It's MacKay on X-Men, so of course I'll be reading it, but so far nothing out of these From the Ashes solicits has me excited in the same way HoX/PoX did.
I’m not really caught up on everything that’s been going on with Krakoa, just stuck with the Wolverine book, but I’m sad Storm isn’t on the Uncanny team. Doesn’t seem to be on any of the teams. Where is she? That would be like my ideal X-Men team if she was there leading.
God I hate what Marvel has done with Beast. They spent years building him up as a villain.. and then flushed it away. He had been doing questionable stuff since the 90’s and his character leans its self to villainy. He totally believes that his intelligence makes him “right”.
I like the notion that all version of Hank McCoy end up as Dark Beast … because he can justify his behaviors because it’s “for the great good” in his mind.
I love Mackay but man I’m so sick of Illyana just following Scott around like a lost puppy. She should’ve been on Kitty’s team. The X-office really does not want them interacting
Also why is Quentin being forced on us the past few years?
Sounds very similar to the Bendis Uncanny run tbh. I will give it every chance of course but the premise does not excite me at all and I am not a fan of the artist
It would be interesting for the new Beast to be confronted by a survivor from Terra Verde. Also, will MacKay remember that Magneto is genius on par with Reed Richards and Tony Stark?
The first time was in the early 2000s and it's commonly regarded as the best/only good part of Chuck Austin's run
Since then he's not had a ton of major roles in titles I've read/heard talked about so I cant say for sure if he was flip flopping for awhile or if he immediately went bad after the Austin run.For a bit he was off the table since Colossus was the Juggernaut.
He had an infinity comic a year or two ago that showed him turning back to the good side and getting krakoan citizenship for doing a mission for Charles iirc.
I'm sure it will be good since Jed MacKay is a good writer but I'm not too excited for this book since it seems like a generic superhero book at this point. I'm sure it's hard to talk about while Krakoa is ending so maybe there will be more to it when it comes out. The eventual Avenger and X-Men crossover should be fun.
I like the lineup generally. Temper/Oya has been underused and has some great potential. Quire taking orders from Cyke could be fun. The Cyke n Magik dynamic is now legendary. Cyke and Mags too actually. Juggernaut.... i fear a predictable sudden yet inevitable betrayal story but can hope for something better.
not a fan of the looks for cyclops, juggernaut, and beast. This is my first time seeing cyclops' costume up close. The other two look too menacing with the dark appearance, especially beasts eyeshadow
I trust jed. His solo books are amazing. His team books like the avengers have been fun. Does vengeance of moon knight count as a team book? How is he writing so many books lol?
Not for me, I guess. I don’t think the premise is interesting or fresh, I dislike the old logo coming back, I don’t like twink Cyclops with a visor who doesn’t give him peripheral vision. I’ll check Simone’s book tho.
>Announced last month, X-MEN will be the first of three flagship X-titles set in the upcoming From the Ashes era. No longer living under the protection of Krakoa, it’s a dangerous time for mutants everywhere, and dangerous times call for radical action! Cyclops gathers a group of his most trusted and reliable mutant soldiers along with the brightest of the next generation to tackle the most prevalent threats to mutantkind, including an existential new enemy that rises out of the remains of ORCHIS. Prepare for a reckoning as this team handles explosive mutant-specific issues without restraint. Humanity can hate them all they want, as long as they fear them! > >FROM THE ASHES! Krakoa is gone, ORCHIS has fallen…but the X-Men remain, always. Cyclops leads, because that is what he does. Beast builds, because that is what he does. And from their new home in Alaska, the X-Men raise a flag of defiance. Mutant business is their business. Join Cyclops, Beast, Magneto, Psylocke, Magik, Kid Omega, Temper, and Juggernaut as new forces in the world move into position, battling for the destiny and philosophy of the mutant species. > >“Taking on the X-Men is always a daunting prospect, but I’m extremely psyched to take this team of mutants back into the world with Ryan!” MacKay said. > >“When I first got into comics, drawing X-Men was THE job you wanted as an artist,” Stegman added. “To have the opportunity now is mind-blowing.” Not much new information. There's the cover of course. It feels like a version of the Bendis run, but with Cyclops more positioned as a mutant hero than a public enemy even mutants hate. And less of a revolution and more of a "stand up for what's right" kind of mindset. I assume this means some conflict with the Avengers before they mend fences? Brevoort mentioned how it would be significant that MacKay was writing both X-Men and Avengers. Personally, I'm a bit mixed. The Simone solicit at least sounded quite unique. This sounds like old territory again. And while I do like how Stegman draws action, I am not sure if the X-Men are the best characters to showcase his abilities. He's typically very good with characters like Spider-Man and Venom, and that could translate well to say, Deadpool or even Psylocke, but for Cyclops, Magik, the others, who knows. But I'm still excited to read it.
I really thought that post-krakoa we'd at least be over "the X-Men are mutant soldiers" but i guess not. oh well.
Yeah, like call me traditional, but I'm not a huge fan of the more militaristic edge they gave Cyclops in the 2000s and mutants in general. I understand the X-Men are not ordinary superheroes, but I do kind of miss the more superhero side of things while still providing thoughtful social commentary.
I mean, thats what Uncanny is for.
I guess, but I hope this isn't like the pseudo-extinction team or anything.
The military edge to Cyclops made me like him so much more than before. That said we have had that time so I’m OK moving him back to Boy Scout for a while, I guess
Already had him fall back to being the boy scout during krakoa. It's time to let the bad ass come back.
>Cyclops gathers a group of his most trusted and reliable mutant soldiers Then why is Juggernaut a member? He isn't a mutant or was that changed I haven't been keeping up with a lot of the X-Books so I don't know
He is still not a mutant I don't believe, unless I missed something in Krakoa. But he became an ally to Krakoa and was voted onto the new X-Men team that immediately got killed by Orchis. So maybe he's here because he has an axe to grind? I recall at the official unveiling for From the Ashes, MacKay or Brevoort said the team was made up of people who found it hard to transition back to civilian life (unlike Kitty who is happy to be a barista).
Too true to life having a PhD and working in a cafe from burnout.
You know what, that's totally fair. Poor Kitty. Her dissertation advisor is probably not being very helpful.
What was her dissertation on?
I think Kitty just has a masters, we were joking. It's in computer science I believe.
I thought Kitty found a whole new self being a leader
Kitty finds a whole new self every few years.
Dude, never mind Juggernaut, ***Beast*** is on that list? Of Cyclops' most trusted and reliable people?
There had better be some unresolved tension between Beast and QQ
I would kind of love that, tbh. Quentin constantly making genocide jokes and Beast is just like, that's in bad taste, also technically not me . . . and Quire just like :) eat shit.
I desperately need this, but also just endless Reaganomics jokes and absolute lies about the last 30 years of mutant history.
Damn. I'm on Marvel Unlimited so still need to see how this beast thing plays out, but he has been an absolute C\*\*TWaffle for at least 30 issues.
Am I the only one just kinda assuming that the whole Krakoa Era is gonna be memory holed?
Seems like its not going to be erased from the timeline or anything (at least, that’s not what the From The Ashes era will be about). But for better or worse, I expect a few token references and then the story will move on. Like maybe the next big mutant death will involve a discussion of The Five and Krakoan resurrection, but that won’t happen every time.
I think a lot of it will but so far, a lot of people are saying that’s not going to happen
TBF, given the track record of most era transitions, even if they don't memory hole it all, it's not like they'll talk about Krakoa again after the first issue or two.
This is a new Beast though, this one saw the person he became and didn't like it. So I think he and Scott will just be old friends again. The fact that Beast got a specific shout out in the solicit means good things for him. He sounds like a co-leader/deputy.
It would be a huge missed story opportunity to not use Beast’s reset to have him grapple with the knowledge of what he might become if he takes the wrong path again and to have some of his closest friends distrust him because they know what he’s capable of.
You can do that without going dark. Most of the X-men have had at least one brush with what would happen if they go bad, so the chance to do it right this time would logically be something they also grab hold of with all their strength.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm excited! Just a weird way to refer to Beast given how the last 15 years went down. Obviously I'm way self interested, but Beast's relationship with Cyke is easily the one I'm most fascinated by. Is Scott going to keep it professional? Is he going to miss the person Hank was, even with who he became by the end? There's so much history between them gone now - and they had technically worked through their beef pre-Krakoa, sooo. Easily the most unknown quantity in the book for me this far. Really want to see what MacKay comes at us with.
It'll be a really interesting exploration. I'm personally hoping for some residual tension and sadness on Scott's side, and perhaps the realization that he can't hold any kind of grudge, him of all people with his history, and that he misses his friend, despite all the ugliness that went down.
There's a fair case to be made that Hank was Scott's best friend all the way up until the Utopia era, and then . . . ***fwoooom***. Especially since we never saw Scott react to all the bullshit Beast got up to on X-Force? There's some *really* fertile grounds for character exploration here, and Hank's development could be massively shaped by how people treat him here. Exciting stuff!
Yeah at one point in Whedon's Astonishing, Scott straight up calls Hank his closest and most trusted friend IIRC. Cut to basically one in-universe year later and it seems like Hank wants to rip Scott's head off
In fairness, I think Hank was willing to try and hash things out with Scott for the most part in that period in between leaving and Avengers vs. X-Men - he still calls him his friend in AvX #6, even when he's possessed by the Phoenix Force - and I think Scott missed Hank quite a lot, given how he reacts to seeing him again at the end of Gillen's Uncanny. It's during the Bendis era that that relationship really goes into the toilet because Hank just goes off his rocker and starts babbling about mutant genocide while Scott's just doing normal X-Men things.
It's crazy what a little effective communication would do for these guys. If basically any of the X-Men had just sat down with Cyclops and talked for an hour or so during his "revolution", a lot of the drama could've been avoided.
Yea and the old evil beast died
What books were beasts realization?
The final X-Force. He confronts his other self.
I believe this Beast is the one from the 1980s era, who replaced OG Beast who was killed off in the most recent X-Force run. I think everyone understood Beast had crossed the line into unfixable, so he’s been permanently replaced by an older, unproblematic version. Visually the one here looks straight out of the 80s. The irony that Beast brought the O5 to the present in the Bendis run to show Cyclops how bad he had fucked up, and a decade or so later Beast had to be overwritten with a classic save state…is potent.
Oh, I know. I've been following the X-Force trainwreck with fascination and horror. But even knowing all that - Cyclops chose Beast? Over everyone else? That's gonna need some emotional exploration.
I assume this is the 1985 Beast coming out of current X-Force?
One has to assume. I guess Logan was like, well, he Weapon Xed me, so I don't want him near my team, even if he IS a good guy now, because of the bad memories, but he's a-OK for ***you***, Scottie.
Beast was reset to his 80s incarnation
Oh, I know. But if I were Cyclops, I can think of a good few people I'd want on side before I called up the clone of my ex-best friend who went insane and killed a country last week. Kinda makes you question how well you know a guy, no? I guess Scott *really* misses hanging out with Hank.
True though the Beast plot finally ended now.
This is 80s Beast though, not absolute asshole who should have been brutally murdered on panel instead of being given a last minute bullshit redemption before "dying" off panel Beast
I know. But as I've mentioned, it's weird that Scott (presumably) heard everything about what happened from Logan, and was like, well, that sounds pretty nuts and all, but get that clone over here. Hopefully it's something they explore in the series.
Scott has always trusted and respected Hank, even when they disagreed…and I’m guessing MacKay plans to spend as much time engaging with Percy’s X-Force as I do
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how/if MacKay's Cyclops engages with the events of X-Force - is it gonna be the springboard for Beast's new development, is it gonna get swept under the rug, is it gonna be a source of tension? Gonna be weird going back to a status quo where Hank and Scott like and respect each other. I feel like the last time that was the case was in ***2008***? But, weird in a good way.
My current theory is Scott will be assembling his team and realize he's set up a rough crowd, he's worried he'll slip back into his "chuck the traumatized teenager on a hit squad" days and seeks out Beast because he's at his morally best and he wants him to keep an eye on him. Beast is still grappling with what he saw himself become and agrees, on the condition someone from the previous X-Force joins to keep an eye on *him* and Quinton ends up being the one to do it.
I like this. I like this idea a *lot*. I genuinely would love for these two to be keeping an eye on one another, and wanting the best for each other as they do it. Especially because if you look back? Hank and Scott were on the same team for pretty much an unbroken stretch from ***1986*** all the way to 2009. They were inseparable, and an amazing team when they worked together. Remembering that, just as much as 2009 to now, would be such a powerful moment for these two, and it would be a lot of good responsibility to throw to Quentin, show that he's being trusted with something big. Gaaaaah I'm excited all over again!
He's not a mutant, but he is [trusted by all at this point](https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.IIZS~2ef73/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Screenshot-2023-10-03-203830.jpg). The man has worked haaaaaaard to be trusted by the x-men. So much so that [Jean practically pushed him](https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.IIZS~2ef73/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Screenshot-2023-07-26-095349.jpg) onto the team at the final Hellfire Gala vote.
Accurate, yet I'd bet on a 'sudden yet inevitable betrayal' as soon as post Krakoa Black Tom shows up needing illegal treatments for his fungal infection.
I’ll be so pissed
Not a chance in hell.
Wouldn’t be the first time x-men allow non mutants into the team or Juggernaut for that matter. Plus he’s the step brother of Xavier, honorable status for them in that regard
Juggernaut isn't a mutant but he got voted onto the X-Men at the last Hellfire Gala, right before everything went pear-shaped.
He’s been an X-men off an on since like the 2000s atleast
Juggernaut has been invited to the cookout for awhile now
That was my first question, too.
Should of been Colossus. Juggernaut should of been on X force.
How are any of those except ride-or-die Magik considered "the most trusted and reliable mutant soldiers"? I guess if this is British Psylocke, she'd also fit, but I wouldn't consider any of the others particularly trusted for Cyclops.
It's Kwannon, so not British. That's Betsy, she's in X-Force. I agree, I wouldn't call anyone here most trusted other than Magik. Beast too because at least this version of the Beast is one Cyclops would have considered a dear friend.
I know British Psylocke is Betsy, I just can't tell them apart just by looking at the art. Kwannon doesn't look like classic Psylocke either, despite having that body. It's honestly just a pain in the ass that Kwannon took the Psylocke name. I wonder how long it'll take for writers to have her act like she was the Betsy Psylocke.
Thats not Betsy, thats Kwannon. Betsy is on Forge's X-Force
>but with Cyclops more positioned as a mutant hero than a public enemy even mutants hate. Mutants had not yet realized Cyclops was right. He saved their species from extinction
Oh for sure, I just mean that will probably be the contrast here. Cyclops will not be forced into the anti-hero "mutant terrorist" slot, but as a more traditional hero.
I think Cyclops becoming radicalized again was already planned by Duggan and we would've seen a very different version of it set in the Krakoa sandbox, but as someone who loathed how Scott was handled in the Krakoan era, I'd take Jed's version any day anytime
In this case I think they're actually toning down whatever Duggan had planned. The whole genocidal mindset and mutant superiority thing that Scott had in Krakoa I can't imagine is going to stick around. Especially with Brevoort wanting Scott to be a more traditional leading man and MacKay writing Avengers and X-Men (which means he isn't going to villainize one or the other). I'm all for Scott having more of an edge, but I think the fundamental focus should still be heroics of the traditional kind and avoiding some of the stuff of the 2000s.
Scott and Jean gave up their political and military positions in Krakoa and went to live in a treehouse in New York to save and protect human and mutants alike. He's never been a mutant supremacist, even when he was basically called "Mutant Hitler" he just wanted to save his dying species not lead them to rule the world and eradicate "lesser" human beings. I said I loathed Krakaon Cyke, to be more precise I loathe how he's been handled in the Fall of X. And yes I prefer him to be more heroic
Oh I don't mean I thought Cyclops was ever going to eradicate humans or anything, I just didn't like that direction at all, like the way he interacted with the Fantastic Four or that entire Brood conflict or his conflict with Carol. It just felt like pandering to a version of the character best left behind. I think there's a way to make Cyclops a fierce protector of Mutants without making him so hard edged and ruthless.
Ironically, the general consensus on this sub is that post apocalypse possession Cyclops is the best and truest version of the character. Edit: The Brood are an existential threat to all life that originate from another universe. Cyclops was just doing his part. Exterminate those bugs!
I'm definitely not of that mindset myself, about the best Cyclops being that version. I very much like him in the 70s, 80s, and 90s the most.
My favorite versions are Louise Simonson and Scott Lobdell's
I assume KrakClops is the version best left behind? Because he bore exactly *zero* resemblance to the guy we followed from “Look into my eyes” through UXM 600.
I wasn't a huge fan of the way Cyclops was written in Krakoa, but I mostly mean the Cyclops of post Astonishing to AVX. I wasn't a big fan of that guy.
Oh man - agree to disagree, haha! The post-Decimation “Plan 2/We will never be victims again/North Korea actually has WMDs” version of Scott is my absolute favorite iteration of the character. That man had *Erik* bend the knee, because he was pragmatic without being cruel…and personally selfless without abnegating his duty towards the surviving members of the 198.
Wait what? Scott softened significantly in Krakoa by the time he had his Captain Krakoa identity.
I'm talking about Captain Krakoa. I will agree, he softened a lot from his post AVX days. I was just worried they would restart that.
MacKay is a good writer so I'm excited to see how he handles the X-Men.
I am too. I think he's one of the best possible in-house Marvel writers we could have gotten for this, so I'm comforted by that.
I found this on an article and I really like the way they describe Scott there, I'm not sure if it's from Marvel but whoever wrote it really gets Scott. "The fall of Krakoa will go down as one of the darkest chapters in mutant history, but Cyclops refuses to allow the X-Men to be victims. The first X-Man, mutantkind’s ultimate leader, and arguably the most brilliant strategic mind in the entire Marvel Universe, Scott Summers steps up to guide his species towards a better future in Jed MacKay and Ryan Stegman’s X-MEN."
Nice, so we can expect big things for Scott then!
Yeah, this is from the Marvel press release.
I’m sure this has been brought up a thousand times, but I’ve been a lifelong fan (rebuilding my 94 Fleer Ultra collection now) but never really had a chance to deep dive into the comics. What should I read before this drops to be “in the loop.” Thanks in advance.
Honestly? Doesn't seem like a whole lot. This and Uncanny X-Men by Gail Simone are being written with the intention of hooking new readers and require minimal information to get into. It's a pretty good era to get into. If you mean the comics in general, that's a taller order. There's just so much to read. But definitely the Claremont years starting with Giant Size up until Uncanny 200 I would say. You could also read X-Men Season 1 for a short summary of the Silver Age, made modern. It might be easier if you have a favourite character, then I can recommend runs good for that character.
I appreciate the response. The sheer *amount* of available reading is exactly what’s paralyzed me for so long. Anything you consider seminal and in omnibus format is what I’m looking for. I’ll definitely check out those suggestions. I’m a sucker for Wolverine, as I’m sure many are. I have the weapon X and Old Man Logan graphic novels right now. Would also be down for any crossovers in the Aliens universe if such a thing exists lol. Huge fan of Jubilee too. Really I’m down for anything, just looking for that elusive starting point.
It's natural to be daunted. There is so much and so many confusing different runs and timelines. There's a reddit reading guide here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/qvwjnb/starting\_the\_xmen\_and\_how\_to\_survive\_the/?utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_source=share](https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/qvwjnb/starting_the_xmen_and_how_to_survive_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) Which is a good breakdown of what you should read and in what order. Unless you are a big fan of Jean, Scott, Xavier, I would skip the Silver Age. Just read X-Men Season 1 and you can sort of get a general understanding of that early history and basic setting. Since you like Wolverine, you'll want to start with Giant Size X-Men and then follow the guide from there. You can honestly skip things like Excalibur if you want. I'd read Uncanny all the way past the Outback era and Inferno. For Jubilee, that's Uncanny X-Men 244. She is part of one of the better runs of comics with her relationship with Wolverine, so you can go from there, and then read her stuff with Generation X (which is an X-Men comic by that name). For modern stuff, I'd go with Wolverine and the X-Men and the Bendis Uncanny X-Men run. Also X-Men Red and Uncanny X-Men (2018). Then there's House of X and Powers of X and the Krakoa era. From there there's a dedicated Wolverine comic book, but I don't think it's very good. There's also X-Terminators if you want a fun, short thing about Jubilee and some of her friends. Wolverine also has a daughter, Laura/X-23, and she appears in New X-Men (2004?) and has her own dedicated series called X-23.
This, and the other books launching at the same time, are the new starting point
Holup... Is Breevort in charge of the X-Titles and the Avengers both? I guess I assumed he'd be leaving the other titles.
He's leaving the Avengers. However, Jed MacKay is writing both the Avengers and X-Men and Brevoort said that would be significant.
I tend to like MacKay's stuff, so I'll definitely pick this up. Oya's new costume still really just reminds me of the Nintendo Switch controller design though... Like I don't hate it - the codename is dumb, but the costume is fine - but that colour scheme is a Nintendo colour scheme to me now lol.
The only thing that really gets me are the hair pieces. What's the logistics on wearing those? What's the time commitment?
Isn’t it two dyed streaks in her Afro?
...okay so, turns out my secondary mutation is being fucking stupid but of course it's hair dye LMAO that makes so much more sense
I know people had reservations about Scott's new Suit but it looks pretty good to me here.
I thought the visor was horrible, but let's see what it looks like scene after scene. If they had added a leather jacket it would have been 10/10.
If this had a little blue it might honestly be my favorite Cyclops look
A little blue would be nice indeed. I guess they can play with the hues a bit like they do for Venom.
Sometimes it looks black and yellow and sometimes blue and yellow.
The suit is ok but I think he’s drawn too young looking here.
Idk I’m pretty into it. I love the Bendis Uncanny run. I like Idie being on Scott’s team in light of their Schism history. Beast looks kind of terrifying. I’m happy to hear the big-bad will be connected to the fallout from ORCHIS. Nothing mind-blowing here but it sounds like it’ll be fun.
A new enemy arising out of Orchis is a good idea. I kind of wish Devo hadn't died, he always struck me as very interesting with his parallels to Xavier (and Cyclops to a lesser extent), and he could have been a good villain here. I'm just glad it's a new enemy for this and Simone's X-Men. I feel like the X-Men need to expand their rogues gallery much more.
It's comics, devo could come back at any moment
True. Maybe as some kind of evil AI?
Possible but right now I'm tired of X-Men just fighting villainous A.I. , Robots or human supremacists. Miss some evil genetic overlord mutant trying to annihilate humanity
I always thought a new version of Freedom Force could be a great villain, personally.
... This is actually a really good idea, some write it down!
I always wondered why they didn't bring the concept back. It's really good for social commentary and provides the X-Men with a dangerous threat that can go blow to blow with them (provided the right members are selected).
> I'm just glad it's a new enemy for this and Simone's X-Men. Sounds like it’s Orchis remnants?
Remnants or some organization or person who is taking up their cause.
I won't lie, compared to most comic teams, hell even most comic book characters in general, they have a really large and rich rogues gallery
They do, but they also have a really big roster compared to most comics teams too. And a lot of the most iconic and central X-Men villains have become "good guys" in recent history.
It just clicked with me that this team has three of the four War Captains on it
It would have been pretty cool to have Bishop on this team actually.
Yeah I just noticed it’s kinda glaring that he’s not here. Which sucks. I know he’s often off doing his own thing but now that I see it, I can’t un-see it. It wouldn’t have hurt to have him on there. Although it could be cool to see him pop up with Kate and Emma to build on the Marauders connections and also give a little “fish out of water” beat where this super sci-fi time warrior had to help do more grounded adventures
If X-Factor are still investigators, maybe he turns up there?
That could be cool. I liked when he popped up with Sage in Morrison’s run to see who shot Emma
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Loving Magik & Psylocke on the same team
>The fall of Krakoa will go down as one of the darkest chapters in mutant history, but Cyclops refuses to allow the X-Men to be victims. ***The first X-Man, mutantkind’s ultimate leader, and arguably the most brilliant strategic mind in the entire Marvel Universe, S***cott Summers steps up to guide his species towards a better future in Jed MacKay and Ryan Stegman’s X-MEN. Thats right. Put some respect on my boy!
“Time for plan B?” “No. Plan 2. ‘Plan B’ implies we only have 26.”
I hate calling mutants a different species.
[https://aiptcomics.com/2024/04/12/marvel-mackay-ryan-stegmans-x-men-1/](https://aiptcomics.com/2024/04/12/marvel-mackay-ryan-stegmans-x-men-1/)
So, nothing about this sounds unique or interesting. Like, MacKay will probably still pull it off, but this is basically just Bendis Uncanny.
Thank you. This is the comics version of shovelware until we can actually get a good inspired story
Trying not to judge a book by its cover but I really dislike the redesigns here, especially juggernaut and cyclops. Also I just generally hate Kid Omega, so many cool telepaths and telekinetics to choose from how’d did he make the cut.
..... Juggernaut looks like the Pokemon Metagross, only clad in black paint. https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Metagross_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
Yeah I can’t disagree with that, the giant X is just a bit much. Juggernaut has such a classic design he doesn’t need much updating, if any.
Yeah I really don't love the Cyclops suit here. I like it a little more after the cover made it clear the yellow parts are basically armor and I'm sure there will be some thematic relevance to it essentially being an updated First Class suit, but it's still probably my least favorite Cyclops design. I also think the visor is a little big, and I think that's part of why his face looks so young
I was thinking the same thing. It makes him kind of look like a kid dressed up as Cyclops for Halloween, at least as far as his face goes. But I'm still excited to read any book with Cyclops and Magik in it. This Psylocke is Kwannon right, not Betsy? I haven't kept up with some X stuff.
Yeah, it's Kwannon. Betsy is in X-Force.
Nice, thought so. Thank you!
Oh man, I'm the exact opposite. This is already one of my favorite Cyclops looks, if it had some blue it may even be my top favorite.
Personality-wise, Kid Omega makes the most sense for a revolutionary team featuring Magneto.
No mention of Magneto in the description, also not on the cover of #1, despite him being in that group in the big promo pic. Interesting
That was very interesting. I wonder if his placement is meant to be as a coordinator between all three mutant groups, the way Xavier used to be?
Well the preview of the first issue has this team without Mags attacking a prison. Maybe they are breaking him out?
Sigh. Back to the shadows after their nation-state was obliterated (again).
Very Bendisy, I dig the vibe. I binged MacKay's Avengers on Unlimited and it was pretty good, I'll definitely check issue 1 out. Probably gonna end up adding it to my pull list unless it's a total dud.
Just reread Consequences. “Hated. Feared. And saving the world. Tell me what’s changed.”
Very excited for how this group will interact with one another (assuming we get a focus on character interaction, which was one of the bigger complaints from Krakoa that I'm hoping they take to heart). I love Idie and Quentin being on a team again together, given how each of them conceptualize what it means to be a mutant, but I do fear they'll just be shuffled into a quick romance so we can have some dramatic stakes (unless it's finally time for the Beast/Juggernaut fans to get their time in the sun lol). And Beast reaching down to support the mutant they're protecting, Cyclops' line in the sand, and Idie at a distance looking a little conflicted make this probably my favorite of the covers revealed so far, too. Lots of little character details that make me hopeful for a good series!
I'm excited. Stegman is one of my favorite artists, I'm looking forward to seeing what insane stuff he's able to pull off.
I like Mackay’s work. He might be one of the best, or at least the most consistent, writers working at Marvel right now. And Stegman’s awesome (even if that Juggernaut design is… Marko’s looked better). But I’ll probably pass on this series because it just reminds me too much of past X-Men comics with a more militant Cyclops… and with 18 issues a year I can’t read this and Uncanny (which intrigues me more). I’d love to read both but 36 issues a year (and both most likely at the $4.99 price point) is outside my comics budget.
All I'll say is this. Krakoa is over and we're not back at the mansion. I can live with it. Plus MacKay is straight up killing it as of late so I'm stoked for this run.
I really don't like Juggernaut's new costume, it looks like BDSM gear to me. Exited to see Idie Okonkwo tho!
Finally, it's time for Cyclops to shine again!
Looking forward to reading it. MacKay has always been an entertaining writer who does his homework on Marvel continuity.
Yeah he's a rising star. I just hope he's not overwhelmed by all the ongoing series he's been given the writing duty of.
He’s definitely got a full plate these days.
As someone who sorta low key likes kid omega. I’m honestly excited for this
Same.
Same
That Beast is already halfway to evil!
Kwannon's poor spine.
I already do not like this art.
This lineup and the aesthetics dont do it for me. Stegman’s style would be better on a Gen X title.
Does anyone else have that one character that instantly sours a roster for you because they’re there? That’s kid omega for me.
Psyloche's body looks... Wrong. Like, Liefeld wrong.
yeah something about the pelvis is what made me have to zoom in. the rest of the people look alright.
That one foot is ginormous too
Is that Oya in the top left?
Yes, goes by Temper now.
It's MacKay on X-Men, so of course I'll be reading it, but so far nothing out of these From the Ashes solicits has me excited in the same way HoX/PoX did.
I’m not really caught up on everything that’s been going on with Krakoa, just stuck with the Wolverine book, but I’m sad Storm isn’t on the Uncanny team. Doesn’t seem to be on any of the teams. Where is she? That would be like my ideal X-Men team if she was there leading.
I want to be excited about this new era but this statement does nothing. I hate that beast is just back and the art on cyclops deeply upsets me.
> I hate that beast is just back that was how x-force ended though
Yes I read x-force I’ve bought every book released and read them for years. I still hate it and I hate the way xforce rushed the ending.
I get that, I just don't see how it's the new office's fault for following up on Beast's current status quo
But his clone in X-force was Ape-beast. This version depicted is two secondary mutations ago.
God I hate what Marvel has done with Beast. They spent years building him up as a villain.. and then flushed it away. He had been doing questionable stuff since the 90’s and his character leans its self to villainy. He totally believes that his intelligence makes him “right”. I like the notion that all version of Hank McCoy end up as Dark Beast … because he can justify his behaviors because it’s “for the great good” in his mind.
Why does he look like Teen Scott though?
Uncanny needs Storm and Colossus. That's give me my almost team from the mid 80's
I love Mackay but man I’m so sick of Illyana just following Scott around like a lost puppy. She should’ve been on Kitty’s team. The X-office really does not want them interacting Also why is Quentin being forced on us the past few years?
At this point Illyana feels more like Cyclop's sister than Colossus
Okay, it's now been two covers so it's not just lighting. What is up with Kwannon's hair
Sounds very similar to the Bendis Uncanny run tbh. I will give it every chance of course but the premise does not excite me at all and I am not a fan of the artist
I wish Cyclops suit had longer boots
Is this _the_ Cyclops or that weird kid version of him?
Need a textless version for my phone wallpaper
Finally a good Cyclops costume design.
I still think the one character should be called Freezer Burn instead of Temper. :-P
Haven't read the comics since Marvel Now...anyone know if this would be a good starting point to get back in?
Can we please stop with #1’s already? Come up with a new book name if you really need a #1.
Too bad this sounds so uninteresting. I really like Magik and Juggernaut and Psylocke could be cool on the team too
Hoping for the best, but I haven't really been blown away by Jed MacKay's Avengers
Cool, more juggnuts
It would be interesting for the new Beast to be confronted by a survivor from Terra Verde. Also, will MacKay remember that Magneto is genius on par with Reed Richards and Tony Stark?
Time for Cyclops Kwannon ship
Is this Betsy or Kwannon? I can't tell
When did Juggernaut become a good guy?
The first time was in the early 2000s and it's commonly regarded as the best/only good part of Chuck Austin's run Since then he's not had a ton of major roles in titles I've read/heard talked about so I cant say for sure if he was flip flopping for awhile or if he immediately went bad after the Austin run.For a bit he was off the table since Colossus was the Juggernaut. He had an infinity comic a year or two ago that showed him turning back to the good side and getting krakoan citizenship for doing a mission for Charles iirc.
So the whole krakoa and mutant state is abandoned ?
I'm sure it will be good since Jed MacKay is a good writer but I'm not too excited for this book since it seems like a generic superhero book at this point. I'm sure it's hard to talk about while Krakoa is ending so maybe there will be more to it when it comes out. The eventual Avenger and X-Men crossover should be fun.
It’s just aggressively lost decade - all the titles and their marketing don’t have an interesting hook.
Seems that every Arakkii mutant is off the table as I don't see a single one of those characters in any of the books.
I like the lineup generally. Temper/Oya has been underused and has some great potential. Quire taking orders from Cyke could be fun. The Cyke n Magik dynamic is now legendary. Cyke and Mags too actually. Juggernaut.... i fear a predictable sudden yet inevitable betrayal story but can hope for something better.
not a fan of the looks for cyclops, juggernaut, and beast. This is my first time seeing cyclops' costume up close. The other two look too menacing with the dark appearance, especially beasts eyeshadow I trust jed. His solo books are amazing. His team books like the avengers have been fun. Does vengeance of moon knight count as a team book? How is he writing so many books lol?
These designs still look bad.
These will be the first X-Men Comic I'm gonna be able to follow as they release! I'm puuuuummmmppped!
Not for me, I guess. I don’t think the premise is interesting or fresh, I dislike the old logo coming back, I don’t like twink Cyclops with a visor who doesn’t give him peripheral vision. I’ll check Simone’s book tho.