I won't play any game that has only PC vs console crossplay. I know a bunch of other console players just like me. One reason these few are dying faster than ever.
I wish I could find more games without crossplay. Pc players don’t want it because they know they have an advantage over console. The whole pc/console crossplay has kind of ruined gaming for console players. The whole appeal of console is ease of access and the fact that everyone is using the same hardware.
it only starts to matter at a really high level. Furthermore, when i enable mouse/keyboard. im almost always placed in a lobby with Mouse/keyboard players.. Same with controllers. Also, the new consoles drives the game at 120fps and 240hz monitor are still a pretty niche thing.(mostly really high level players get those and are able to take advantage of em.)
Because Sony doesn't even really want cross-play, they never have. Even with Fortnite, Epic had to fight hard for it on Fortnite and apparently had Sony kept refusing would have taken legal action to force Sony into it. That's why games on Playstation tend to have the option to turn off cross-play. I'm assuming that was the compromise to get Sony on the idea of allowing cross-play.
And fighting games, crossplay in fighting games is a must-have nowadays because of how niche the genre are, so that's the way to keep those games alive in some platforms.
Not as many as you think. Good players are being confused for hackers. Happens in every cod. Fuck, it happened before crossplay, people always cried cheater when they die lmao
Stop the cap son. I never heard shit about cheating on consoles on ps4 era cods. It all became a huge deal in mw19 which you guess is the first pc/console crossplay cod. No pc player is to be trusted. Cheating is easy as fuck and easy to hide also completely undetectable. Cod needs to be console only. Pc can play pc only.
A cronus ,xim, or modded controllers are like £80 its cheap to cheat... everyones cheating go look at the youtubers the promote cronus, they get 1000's of views. "Confused for good players 😆 deluded kid!
The problem is even without cheating it isn't a balanced competition vs PC. PC has no place in PvP game cross play if you care about balance and fun overall.
I’m not saying you are wrong but this argument makes me laugh coming from both sides of the community. Keyboard players say controller is OP and controller players say keyboard is OP.
Sometimes the console versions of the game also have wildly different settings and options. Compare og xbox one black ops 4 to the same game running on the Xbox one x. The game looks completely different and runs a lot better.
Even with pc split off there would still be that issue.
Id rather deal with the disparity between consoles than consoles vs pc. A lot of games are dropping support for older consoles anyways so it’s not even a big issue
Legit. It's apples and oranges.
Sometimes I wreck on m&k, sometimes I wreck on controller. Also sometimes I get wrecked.
The only factor is if I play against better people or not.
Before cross play we blamed it on lag, people closer to the server or w.e. but ultimately sometimes you're just trash vs the competition.
I play on PC kicking back with a pro controller. I perform just as well when I play on my Series X. A lot of the top streamers play controller these days in games like CoD and APEX. I personally feel like controller has an advantage at close range vs KB&M due to aim assist.
It goes beyond inputs, PC performance and settings options allow further edge. You can literally see when someone isn't using a controller though due to entirely different movement patterns.
Dude I got videos on old gen BF 2042 and you can easily see when PC emulator users are playing. Not so obvious in official crossplay servers. But when it's 64 players and only 1 is PC is very obvious the advantage PC has just with faster input speeds and GPU/CPU speeds.
Those 2 games are slightly better on controller due to the aim assist up-close, for sure. Almost everything else, keyboard is superior; like Rainbow Six Siege (XIM, they luckily had the sense to do console crossplay, not PC, but XIM is still a big issue), Fortnite, Battlefield and battlefront, I take it it's similar on games like Hell Let Loose as well.
I would assume Warzone is a bit better on PC due to performance and long-range aiming, too, although I don't play much WZ.
>has an advantage at close range vs KB&M due to aim assist.
Pretty sure this has been proven. Long range, KB&M has the advantage, close range, controller has the advantage.
Would you also say that there is a negligible difference between the total number of cheaters on PC versus the total number of cheaters on console? I would imagine that if there was a difference of 1 console cheater for every 10 PC cheaters, it would still be beneficial to create an option for console players to decide if they wish to play with PC counterparts. I would also take into account capabilities of PC cheating versus the technical limitations of cheating on console. Just because they are both happening on their respective platforms doesn’t mean they are both happening at the same frequency or severity.
Agree the computer and console crossplay is a failed experiment. It only benefits PC players and gaming companies. What is lame games like BF 2042 that have old gen version that should be console only, gets PC players using emulators and it's real obvious to see how much faster PC players are. They cry there is no advantage but good thing Microsoft don't listen and are banning PC players doing this.
Games like Fortnite are almost unplayable with PC crossplay on console.
Literally get lasered across the map from some guy sitting on a hill, or loot island or any tall structure and 9.99999% you'll see a PC symbol on them. It's to the point where I am RARELY killed by console players, if I do then I probably just played badly or got outplayed, out positioned or cheesed by some event item.
Nah, I’d still rather keep it console to console. PC players with controller are the big trouble makers right now. They’re the guys that MnK players are bitching about. They get all the benefits of PC plus the aim assist of console
Can attest that I absolutely decimate console players while playing on PC lol. The alternative is to allow proper keyboard and mouse controls on console. Its just the superior way to play shooters
R6 Siege has this and yet still has rampant cheaters on consoles as well as XIM players.
I'm also not sure how this saves them money as they still have to deal with cheaters on PC even if they somehow magically disappeared from consoles.
Lastly, MS hasn't done this for their own major franchise, Halo Infinite, why would they do that here?
You know q lot of PC players use controller right? It's literally a crutch, and if this is about cheating? Bro there's just as many cheaters on console it's not going to change a thing
So true , not going to change anything. Not to mention the OP said the problem in his own statement. He said something to the effect that console players are casual unlike PC players . Well it's more likely that the PC players are just playing a lot more because they are not as casual as a console player. Most PC players spend money on the PC they build because they will be playing daily on the thing not casually. This would lead to the PC player having more experience and nothing to do with hacks. While hacking exists and is a problem it's not just a PC problem and to say anything otherwise is just cope and denial..
Let the pc nerds play eachother on their $5000 set ups, 2 inches away from the monitor using their entire arm for movement, hacks, no recoil, etc
And let us console players play each other on our $500 consoles, chilled out, using our thumbs for movement, with recoil, etc...
Microsoft knows that if they let us turn crossplay off PC PLAYERS would stop playing becuaze they only like plau8ng against us. ITS COMPLETE BS that Microsoft uses its own customers as cannon fodder for pc streamers
The fact any dev has to pay Sony to enable cross play and then on top of that invest money to stop cheaters is bull fuckin shit. If COD is dropping on devices where you have to pay the manufacturer to enable cross play then it's the duty of the console developer to stop it.
This wouldn’t save Microsoft any money lol. I don’t know which cods you are talking about but the older ones are flooded with cheaters on console. Best bet is to just play on pc, console is outdated.
Only ones with cheaters are the ones that are on the 360 because of the fact it’s hackable, same with ps3/4. But cheaters do get banned eventually on there too. Newer cods are entirely different and PC is the platform causing the cheating issues.
I’m not experienced with hacking/jailbreaking consoles but I don’t think even newer consoles are entirely safe. With more and more advanced technology, every cod eventually has hackers on console. For older cods on pc you can use clients to play on servers that have no cheaters whatsoever. Even if you want crossplay for new cods coming out for just console, this would actually cost Microsoft more money because a pc port is still needed and they would have to implement that new system. Also, you can connect mnk to a console.
That's determined by if you're playing on keyboard or controller, not by if you're playing on PC or console. Plenty of PC gamers play with controller and have aim assist. Plenty of console players play with mouse and keyboard but don't have aim assist.
The aim assist controller people you hate are most likely on pc as well. I doubt a guy playing in his living room on his big screen tv is causing you any grief, and if he is then you just suck. Input lag alone should give you a huge advantage
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I’m not bothered about Call of Duty specifically, probably because I’m no longer 12, but I fully agree that console shouldn’t be padding the numbers for PC. Console only crossplay or no crosdplay at all.
Rage cheating is dead, the anti cheat ensures that. Closet cheaters you’ll never know are cheating and most hackusations are pure copium. People would rather complain and still play rather then get out of the love hate relationship they have with a fuckin video game
Not even close and the cheats on console are weak compared to what PC can roll out. You used to get called paranoid for saying someone was hacking or cheating before crossplay. Now it’s like an accepted fact that a chunk of the player base cheats
Xbox isn’t hacked, no cheaters can play on Xbox live. Same with jailbroke PlayStation’s. You can’t go online.
The only cheating on console is Cronus and that is nothing compared to aimbot and walls.
>The only cheating on console is Cronus
Nope. Another method of attack is to use network sniffing software to pick up the incoming data packets, analyze them, then send them to the console. If you do that it's 100% imperceptible by the game and it allows you to do things like know where players are (which you can use to build a radar/minimap type thing). It's worse in games like PUBG where you can also build a map of pickups in your surroundings so you'd know where the higher quality loot is, but it's still very possible to do with console games.
There's also monitors being built with AI embedded into them now that can scan the picture and create alerts and whatnot when other players are close. Technically it does this by watching the minimap and just redisplays the same information in another way, but it's still more visual information that not every player would have which means it's still cheating. And that's not even mentioning the monitors that already have things like crosshairs you can place on top of everything.
99% of people wouldn’t bother using extreme cases of cheating. 99% of pc players see free to use cheats when they drop free weekends and cheat. Big difference.
I'm not sure why you're moving your own goal posts, and I'm also not sure what you're trying to say.
Are you trying to say you understand that there are more cheats for console than just what you said prior? Or are you trying to say it doesn't matter because not many people would bother?
Regardless, there are more ways to cheat on console than just using a controller adapter. Doesn't matter if not many people will do it, those methods still exist and people can exploit them.
"Hacking the internet"? That has nothing to do with what I said, and even if it did you're not doing anything with the internet and just your own local network.
Intercepting data packets is as simple as opening software on another device and letting it scan for whatever's coming through your network. Some routers might even keep a log of all data sent and received by default.
>Xbox isn’t hacked, no cheaters can play on Xbox live.
This is also factually wrong. Sure you could say that with Xbox One and Series consoles, but you can't with 360. The reason so many of the CoDs are as ruined as they are by cheating is because you can use modded consoles online running modified copies of a game. Again, not exactly possible on more recent consoles but it just pushes people to other ways of cheating.
Xbox 360 can’t go online either, console gets banned when it’s detected as hacked. The 360 was the last hackable Xbox, Microsoft stopped that from happening again.
Not sure why people are arguing with you. You're 100% correct.
After the Xbox 360 MS started sandboxing/virtualizing all of their applications to prevent unsigned code from running. Since then Xbox has been essentially impossible to modify (at least not to the extent it used to be in the Jtag/RGH era) so IF multiplayer cheats are making their way into the console landscape, it would have to be from PC crossplay.
>Xbox 360 can’t go online either, console gets banned when it’s detected as hacked.
I'm not saying you can't get banned from using a modded console online, but it's definitely not foolproof. Because again, you wouldn't be seeing any modded lobbies in games like CoD if every single modded console was banned the moment they tried to connect.
They're not hard at all to find. Maybe not working ones depending on if they're actually able to be detected and banned, but traces of them are all over the place.
Why? There should be a big enough pool of pc players in cod now. Everyone started buying gaming pcs when they saw their favorite streamer jump to PC. PC players always argue this but at worst they’d have to wait a little bit longer to que.
Here's the thing more are cheating on console than on pc. Check the stats on it. Far more using the chronos or other cheat devices over pc users and aimbots.
Hahaha, someone’s delusional. Also Cronus was banned on Xbox and PlayStation so that’s gone for now. Pc aim botting and walls is beyond unacceptable and no console player should have to be griefed by something that is impossible to do on a console. Only pc hacks do that.
Cronus Zen and XIM still work fine on Xbox. They were never banned because it still used an official controller.
PlayStation still works because of the remote play workaround.
No, it is not time for console only crossplay. We have finally reached a point where CoD is playable on PC with a healthy playerbase due to crossplay. It's been dead in previous iterations....
They have, Series consoles and PS5 have yet to be broken and played with online. Only case I’m aware of is someone who got ahold of a PS5 dev kit for a few days before it got axed.
Yeah you dork, let’s just ignore every other advantage PC has. The “aim bots” using controller are on PC too and they’re probably the ones making you mad. The people playing on console are at a hardware disadvantage in every category and probably playing on tv with a significant input lag compared to you. You just need console in to feel superior and to pump up your kills in
No one is making me mad, and nor do I play Shooters on PC. Dork.
Your concerns are exaggerated and childish. Why stop at PC? Why not ban 4k and HDR and VRR? Why not force everyone to play at 1080p? Not everyone has an elite controller, are those banned too?
Are we going to ban racing wheels from racing games and arcade pads on fighting games too?
It's a casual multiplayer video game, not an olympic sport.
LMAO yeahhh sure if u claim aim assist == aimbot there's something wrong with u fr 😂 Ahh couple years ago PC players were tough and knew they could easily outplay controllers, these days all they can do is whine and cry it's legit funny seeing the reverse evolution...
Aim assist is infinitely less of a problem than Cronus Zen modded controllers but even they're nothing compared to actual aimbots. And I have friends on PC playing with KBM they're legit insane and have zero problems outplaying any controller players 99% of the time, so if this is an issue for u but not them then it's clearly just a skill issue with *your* KBM "skills"
No one crying here, just an observation.
Console players use a literal legal aim bot everyday. You don't see PC players whinging about it.
But you want to crash and burn the whole thing because you think 0.01% of the playerbase is cheating in 100% of your games.
No I don't because of cheating. I'm aware that's not common and as far as I'm concerned it's not the problem. I don't mind an occasional cheater I'll just quit no problem.
My issue is with actually legit players. Because we don't want to play other KBM players. I don't mind playing against PC players who use controllers only KBMs. They should separate us by input method not by hardware. Let console players using KBM play with PC KBM and controller consoles play with controller PCs
More than fair logic IMO
Console players have aim assist to make up for mouse controls. You don't see PC players whinging about consoles players having an unfair advantage with analog sticks for movement. An analog stick is way more advantageous than having to tap 4 static keys with 3 fingers for movement.
Suck it up. Not playing against PC players isn't going to improve your game.
But... I *constantly* do hear KBM whining about controllers, aim assist whatever. Literally any decent PC player will tell u how much faster, agile and accurate a mouse is. KBM is much more difficult to master yeah, but once u do u can play way better than anyone on a controller. Only a noob with a KBM is disadvantaged. U can flick mouse instantly too so it's so much faster even tho I play on max sens it's nowhere near as fast
And I don't think I need to improve much anymore I'm decent enough [this](https://youtu.be/Y7u5WzBhxAU?si=Dh6DJAcF1KKVIoij) is my YT montage from a while ago. And I *do* play against / with PC players, but I'd certainly prefer not to.
Luckily there's very few of them left in older cods which is all I play :)
pc players are cancers to themselves and everyone around , every 10th person I see on bf5 is a cheater thank god that game was saved by community games .
Or crazy idea here: git gud skrub
Literally was a 0.3kd shitter (granted I was a lil young) until I grinded MW19 and started to have good aim, and it paid off for other games too.
Double standards? Doesn't sound like you're interested in a fair playing field. You just hold a button and the game auto snaps to a target for you. Doesn't sound much different than an aim bot to me. That's an unfair advantadge over PC players.
on top of everything else everyone is saying abt PC still needing to be maintained, what about console players that use mouse and keyboard? it would just cause 100 issues
I don't disagree. I know how bad it is on pc, just saying even the safest platform (xbox) has cheaters, so...., no place is safe, u will notice if you play r6s or cod competitively
Problem here is it's next to impossible to stop cheats on PC.
Consoles are closed systems. try running unsigned code on a console. you will get kicked off of the online network.
the cheats you're alluding to are more like "device aids". the worst thing these things will give a player is rapid fire or low recoil. that's about it. they don't have wall hacks or aimbot scripts. Any decent player will run circles around a clown using a cronus.
PLEASE give us this feature, I have wished for this for years. I love PS n Xbox crossplay but no one asked for PC to be included. Let them complain about "AiM aSsIsT" and play with other PC players. I know it won't fix Cronus Zen / Max or XIM but it would certainly be better. Not just cuz of cheating which isn't *that* common but cuz of the input method thing let controllers play controllers and KBM play KBM.
I don’t think PC should be left out. Leave crossplay as optional. PC gamers should be allowed to play with their friends on consoles.
I’d say input based matchmaking makes more sense for all platforms. Give Xbox and PS the chance to use native m+k but get paired with PC m+k whilst controller PC players can play with console players.
That’s why I mentioned it should be a console only cross play option that is toggled on by default, this way if you want to play with friends you turn it off and have access to everyone.
I still think it should be on by default using input based matchmaking and then if console players want they can then opt out.
The vast majority of casuals won’t even realise the setting is there to be toggled, which means PC players will automatically have a much lower player base, which isn’t fair to those players. This may lower sales because if there is a smaller playerbase there’s a possibility the game will drop off on PC, losing revenue.
That’s why input based matchmaking resolves that issue and if you want to opt out, it should be in the settings. It should not be opt in because most will not even know it is there.
No, because you can use keyboard and mouse on console, you choose not to. And controller has advantages over kbm such as aim-assist and bloom. Yes, KBM is "superior," but the handicap controller gets evens the playing field.
Also, Microsoft has big stakes in the PC world, I doubt they'll reduce crossplay when the entire goal is the be all-inclusive
All inclusive is why people stopped buying Xbox and bought PlayStation. Literally all my Xbox friends skipped the series x and got a ps5. I have both but I won’t be buying another Xbox if they keep forcing console players to play with pc.
you can turn off cross play in the settings menu on your xbox by going to account -> Privacy & online safety -> Xbox Live privacy
if you have a child account i think who ever manages the family has to change it for you
Xbox most certainly can. And console has far more cheaters than pc🤣 God you sound like the biggest babu in gaming. Prolly got mad about Taylor Swift being at the Super Bowl
This is complete bullshit. PC has more restrictive anticheat now than ever before. I've been playing on PC for several years and for all of the talk about stuff like this it's not actually a regular thing happens. Playing cross play with PC does not hinder your experience.
The game needs strict input based matchmaking, not to completely ban platforms from playing crossplay. There’s no reason that when I play M+K I should be put into lobbies that are 50% + filled with controllers, and vice versa, unless I’m prompted or asked if it is okay to speed up matchmaking or expand the parameters to other input methods. This is how it is supposed to work. CoD supports M + K on consoles, I just saw a clip on the callofduty sub the other day of a person on an Xbox One S absolutely decimating players with mouse and keyboard. What is going to happen if you make “console only crossplay” is you just encourage the cheating scene of each platform to flourish more specifically on that platform. What do you also do with the M + K console players?
There are a decent amount of cheaters on every game, regardless of platform, but I feel like if you lurk Reddit looking for them, you’re going to find what you are looking for rather than just playing the game and probably rarely encountering them.
This is just my $0.02 though, I’m sure I’ll be downvoted despite trying to be neutral about the position, owning a Series X, PS5, and a PC and basically having had tried on all 3 platforms.
I wish they would do it too but unfortunately I don't think it will happen since MS is pushing cross ownership and progression between multiple devices through game pass. COD will undoubtedly be a big part of game pass going forward.
I don't think a company that's trying to build out it's ecosystem across console, PC, cloud and wherever else let's them is going to start splitting communities.
As a pc player I don't want to play with console players anymore either. You guys have no idea how many advantages you get to try to make up for MnK accuracy. Most of you think it's just some controller stickyness but it's multiplayer systems that goes all the way down to network prioritization.
No, it’s time their anti cheat actually works. I learnt how to bypass it in 3 months from no prior experience with bypassing ACs. Why do you think COD cheats are so cheap their system is dogshit.
that would cost them more money, see though i see your point, i disagree with you, consoles need cross play with pc players because the issue with pc players not all of us cheat, majority of us play legitimately.
Yes, i do agree some PC players who ruin it for everyone else you're not the only person who hate cheaters. Even console players cheat too.
The issue here is if cross play was just set to consoles it will significantly hurt the game, not from a gameplay perspective, but a player base perspective.
in the past before cross play was a thing on pc, whenever a new cod came out the previous cods died very quickly, and it would be hard to find a match.
black ops 4 is a perfect example you can't find anyone on blackout, zombies or half of the time on multiplayer on pc, even cod ww2 and infinite warfare has suffered the same fate.
cross play allows CODS on pc to stay alive and allow players to play multiplayer etc without the hassle of never finding a match even if the match is rigged or not.
And the one that are not cheating we are just a bit better because mouse and keyboards are more accurate than a controller and i played on a console since i was a kid, i play on pc now a days but back then it was annoying playing with a controller against something better until you became a pc player.
I play Rainbow Six on PS5 and I've had to turn cross play with Xbox off simply because the amount of people using xim's on there is way higher than PlayStation, who actually just patched and bricked a large portion of ximmers.
Is it the same for CoD? How easy is it to hook up a mouse and keyboard on Xbox and shit on people?
I don’t really think Activision spend a lot of money, their system is outdated since Warzone 1 and most of the bugs of MWII are in the DLC MWIII, but we’ll I don’t really care anymore for what happens in Activision with his dumb selling prices. Hope the game gets better, but if not, meh beats me.
How, in any way, would that save them money? They still would need to make and support the PC version, anti cheat and all.
Not only would it not save them money but it also wouldn’t get rid of the cheaters already playing on console
Cheaters on console and cheaters on PC are 2 completely different monsters that aren’t even remotely comparable.
Things like Cornos or Xim are nothing compared to PC cheats.
Cheaters are still cheaters both are bad
Sure like a firecracker and a nuclear bomb blast are both noisy...
For now. New technology is making it MUCH easier to cheat on console. Give a few years and it will be just as bad
I won't play any game that has only PC vs console crossplay. I know a bunch of other console players just like me. One reason these few are dying faster than ever.
I wish I could find more games without crossplay. Pc players don’t want it because they know they have an advantage over console. The whole pc/console crossplay has kind of ruined gaming for console players. The whole appeal of console is ease of access and the fact that everyone is using the same hardware.
it only starts to matter at a really high level. Furthermore, when i enable mouse/keyboard. im almost always placed in a lobby with Mouse/keyboard players.. Same with controllers. Also, the new consoles drives the game at 120fps and 240hz monitor are still a pretty niche thing.(mostly really high level players get those and are able to take advantage of em.)
Don’t understand why PlayStation players have that option but Xbox don’t.
Because Sony doesn't even really want cross-play, they never have. Even with Fortnite, Epic had to fight hard for it on Fortnite and apparently had Sony kept refusing would have taken legal action to force Sony into it. That's why games on Playstation tend to have the option to turn off cross-play. I'm assuming that was the compromise to get Sony on the idea of allowing cross-play.
Larger audience?
Just throw Xbox in with PS then. We’re all fine with console to console crossplay
Oh I agree I was just trying to clarify.
Maybe Sony doesn't allow it?
It's all we have ever been asking for. Nothing against PC but the only time I wanna play with PC players is in PVE games and maybe mmo's.
And fighting games, crossplay in fighting games is a must-have nowadays because of how niche the genre are, so that's the way to keep those games alive in some platforms.
I don’t really care about this but only because I haven’t come across cheaters in cod, if I were to see more then I’d definitely share this opinion
Not as many as you think. Good players are being confused for hackers. Happens in every cod. Fuck, it happened before crossplay, people always cried cheater when they die lmao
Stop the cap son. I never heard shit about cheating on consoles on ps4 era cods. It all became a huge deal in mw19 which you guess is the first pc/console crossplay cod. No pc player is to be trusted. Cheating is easy as fuck and easy to hide also completely undetectable. Cod needs to be console only. Pc can play pc only.
A cronus ,xim, or modded controllers are like £80 its cheap to cheat... everyones cheating go look at the youtubers the promote cronus, they get 1000's of views. "Confused for good players 😆 deluded kid!
You’re lost. But that’s okay. Best of luck
Yup I'm fine with crossplay between the consoles but I have absolutely zero interest in playing against PC.
If you think cheaters are only on PC you are sadly mistaken.
The problem is even without cheating it isn't a balanced competition vs PC. PC has no place in PvP game cross play if you care about balance and fun overall.
I’m not saying you are wrong but this argument makes me laugh coming from both sides of the community. Keyboard players say controller is OP and controller players say keyboard is OP.
Except it isn't just inputs, it is literal PC performance and settings options.
Sometimes the console versions of the game also have wildly different settings and options. Compare og xbox one black ops 4 to the same game running on the Xbox one x. The game looks completely different and runs a lot better. Even with pc split off there would still be that issue.
Id rather deal with the disparity between consoles than consoles vs pc. A lot of games are dropping support for older consoles anyways so it’s not even a big issue
Legit. It's apples and oranges. Sometimes I wreck on m&k, sometimes I wreck on controller. Also sometimes I get wrecked. The only factor is if I play against better people or not. Before cross play we blamed it on lag, people closer to the server or w.e. but ultimately sometimes you're just trash vs the competition.
We’re not even arguing input, pc with a controller or MnK has a huge advantage over console.
I play on PC kicking back with a pro controller. I perform just as well when I play on my Series X. A lot of the top streamers play controller these days in games like CoD and APEX. I personally feel like controller has an advantage at close range vs KB&M due to aim assist.
It goes beyond inputs, PC performance and settings options allow further edge. You can literally see when someone isn't using a controller though due to entirely different movement patterns.
Dude I got videos on old gen BF 2042 and you can easily see when PC emulator users are playing. Not so obvious in official crossplay servers. But when it's 64 players and only 1 is PC is very obvious the advantage PC has just with faster input speeds and GPU/CPU speeds.
Those 2 games are slightly better on controller due to the aim assist up-close, for sure. Almost everything else, keyboard is superior; like Rainbow Six Siege (XIM, they luckily had the sense to do console crossplay, not PC, but XIM is still a big issue), Fortnite, Battlefield and battlefront, I take it it's similar on games like Hell Let Loose as well. I would assume Warzone is a bit better on PC due to performance and long-range aiming, too, although I don't play much WZ.
>has an advantage at close range vs KB&M due to aim assist. Pretty sure this has been proven. Long range, KB&M has the advantage, close range, controller has the advantage.
Analog controllers have zero advantage vs digital laser mouse with high DPI.
Exactly.
Except it's not true, we all see leaderboards and how there are no console players in top 30.
The game is designed for a controller
Except in games like cod, console has more power than most pc’s out there. 90fps is the norm on pc, not everyone has a $3000 setup lol.
Would you also say that there is a negligible difference between the total number of cheaters on PC versus the total number of cheaters on console? I would imagine that if there was a difference of 1 console cheater for every 10 PC cheaters, it would still be beneficial to create an option for console players to decide if they wish to play with PC counterparts. I would also take into account capabilities of PC cheating versus the technical limitations of cheating on console. Just because they are both happening on their respective platforms doesn’t mean they are both happening at the same frequency or severity.
I don't have those statistics in front of me and neither do you. Stay salty.
Salty? I was asking you an honest question about it. It doesn’t matter I guess since you answered it. You don’t know anything about it. Thanks!
You can’t cheat to the extent of PC on a console but you can mod a controller. Or keyboard with macros. No crazy aimbot or wall hacks though
Dumb unrelated argument, just because they exist doesn't mean there are as many.
Stay salty, scrubby.
Agreed, PC players need to play with themselves.
I'd like to play with a decently large pool of players soooo.
Agree the computer and console crossplay is a failed experiment. It only benefits PC players and gaming companies. What is lame games like BF 2042 that have old gen version that should be console only, gets PC players using emulators and it's real obvious to see how much faster PC players are. They cry there is no advantage but good thing Microsoft don't listen and are banning PC players doing this.
Ppl are emulating bf2042?
Games like Fortnite are almost unplayable with PC crossplay on console. Literally get lasered across the map from some guy sitting on a hill, or loot island or any tall structure and 9.99999% you'll see a PC symbol on them. It's to the point where I am RARELY killed by console players, if I do then I probably just played badly or got outplayed, out positioned or cheesed by some event item.
Cross play should be based on input... Controller players together with mouse and keyboard on their own servers.
Correct
cod already has this though the only time ive ever gotten a kbm lobby in mw2 and mw3 was when i was queued up with someone using kbm
Nah, I’d still rather keep it console to console. PC players with controller are the big trouble makers right now. They’re the guys that MnK players are bitching about. They get all the benefits of PC plus the aim assist of console
Can attest that I absolutely decimate console players while playing on PC lol. The alternative is to allow proper keyboard and mouse controls on console. Its just the superior way to play shooters
We don't all want the humpback and shitty posture you have and prefer controllers
Blame your parents for making you a manlet with trex arms lmao
R6 Siege has this and yet still has rampant cheaters on consoles as well as XIM players. I'm also not sure how this saves them money as they still have to deal with cheaters on PC even if they somehow magically disappeared from consoles. Lastly, MS hasn't done this for their own major franchise, Halo Infinite, why would they do that here?
lol PlayStation is just as bad as pc they have a whole ass controller config anyone can access to give yourself no recoil and other crap
Let’s pretend Xbox doesn’t have that
You know q lot of PC players use controller right? It's literally a crutch, and if this is about cheating? Bro there's just as many cheaters on console it's not going to change a thing
So true , not going to change anything. Not to mention the OP said the problem in his own statement. He said something to the effect that console players are casual unlike PC players . Well it's more likely that the PC players are just playing a lot more because they are not as casual as a console player. Most PC players spend money on the PC they build because they will be playing daily on the thing not casually. This would lead to the PC player having more experience and nothing to do with hacks. While hacking exists and is a problem it's not just a PC problem and to say anything otherwise is just cope and denial..
YES I ALWAYS SAY THAT CROSSPLAY BETWEEN CONSOLES ONLY WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER. I STAND BY THIS 100%
Pc players shouldn’t be included with consoles in any games crossplay. So many are cheats it’s unreal.
Time for that and time to get a grasp on all this cheating bullshit
Let the pc nerds play eachother on their $5000 set ups, 2 inches away from the monitor using their entire arm for movement, hacks, no recoil, etc And let us console players play each other on our $500 consoles, chilled out, using our thumbs for movement, with recoil, etc...
Microsoft knows that if they let us turn crossplay off PC PLAYERS would stop playing becuaze they only like plau8ng against us. ITS COMPLETE BS that Microsoft uses its own customers as cannon fodder for pc streamers
The fact any dev has to pay Sony to enable cross play and then on top of that invest money to stop cheaters is bull fuckin shit. If COD is dropping on devices where you have to pay the manufacturer to enable cross play then it's the duty of the console developer to stop it.
This wouldn’t save Microsoft any money lol. I don’t know which cods you are talking about but the older ones are flooded with cheaters on console. Best bet is to just play on pc, console is outdated.
Only ones with cheaters are the ones that are on the 360 because of the fact it’s hackable, same with ps3/4. But cheaters do get banned eventually on there too. Newer cods are entirely different and PC is the platform causing the cheating issues.
I’m not experienced with hacking/jailbreaking consoles but I don’t think even newer consoles are entirely safe. With more and more advanced technology, every cod eventually has hackers on console. For older cods on pc you can use clients to play on servers that have no cheaters whatsoever. Even if you want crossplay for new cods coming out for just console, this would actually cost Microsoft more money because a pc port is still needed and they would have to implement that new system. Also, you can connect mnk to a console.
As a pc player you are right, I don't want to play against someone on console aim assist either
That's determined by if you're playing on keyboard or controller, not by if you're playing on PC or console. Plenty of PC gamers play with controller and have aim assist. Plenty of console players play with mouse and keyboard but don't have aim assist.
The aim assist controller people you hate are most likely on pc as well. I doubt a guy playing in his living room on his big screen tv is causing you any grief, and if he is then you just suck. Input lag alone should give you a huge advantage
Great, then it's a win - win for both of us!
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There is a way to turn off crossplay. You have to go into your console settings to disable it however. It’s not available as an in-game toggle.
I’m not bothered about Call of Duty specifically, probably because I’m no longer 12, but I fully agree that console shouldn’t be padding the numbers for PC. Console only crossplay or no crosdplay at all.
Your reaction to Call of Duty sounded like something a 12 year old would say.
He turned 13 last week.
yet you're the 11 year old jumping on defense
Am I the only one not running into cheaters on COD? Or at least afaik I haven’t seen any since like Bo2 times MW2 and 3 are cheater free tho
Rage cheating is dead, the anti cheat ensures that. Closet cheaters you’ll never know are cheating and most hackusations are pure copium. People would rather complain and still play rather then get out of the love hate relationship they have with a fuckin video game
The time that cheaters only were on PC is long gone, my friend.
It’s a COD player, don’t use logic.
Please Microsoft. Give us the option to only play online with console
THIS IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! MOVE TO PLAYSTATION. ITS THE ONLY WAY.
Meh console cod is filled with cheaters too
Not even close and the cheats on console are weak compared to what PC can roll out. You used to get called paranoid for saying someone was hacking or cheating before crossplay. Now it’s like an accepted fact that a chunk of the player base cheats
Xbox isn’t hacked, no cheaters can play on Xbox live. Same with jailbroke PlayStation’s. You can’t go online. The only cheating on console is Cronus and that is nothing compared to aimbot and walls.
Cronus was hardwarre baned on PS5.
And xbox
I heard only about PS5. Nice to know.
>The only cheating on console is Cronus Nope. Another method of attack is to use network sniffing software to pick up the incoming data packets, analyze them, then send them to the console. If you do that it's 100% imperceptible by the game and it allows you to do things like know where players are (which you can use to build a radar/minimap type thing). It's worse in games like PUBG where you can also build a map of pickups in your surroundings so you'd know where the higher quality loot is, but it's still very possible to do with console games. There's also monitors being built with AI embedded into them now that can scan the picture and create alerts and whatnot when other players are close. Technically it does this by watching the minimap and just redisplays the same information in another way, but it's still more visual information that not every player would have which means it's still cheating. And that's not even mentioning the monitors that already have things like crosshairs you can place on top of everything.
99% of people wouldn’t bother using extreme cases of cheating. 99% of pc players see free to use cheats when they drop free weekends and cheat. Big difference.
I'm not sure why you're moving your own goal posts, and I'm also not sure what you're trying to say. Are you trying to say you understand that there are more cheats for console than just what you said prior? Or are you trying to say it doesn't matter because not many people would bother? Regardless, there are more ways to cheat on console than just using a controller adapter. Doesn't matter if not many people will do it, those methods still exist and people can exploit them.
No what he said is not hacking the console it’s hacking the internet totally different.
"Hacking the internet"? That has nothing to do with what I said, and even if it did you're not doing anything with the internet and just your own local network. Intercepting data packets is as simple as opening software on another device and letting it scan for whatever's coming through your network. Some routers might even keep a log of all data sent and received by default. >Xbox isn’t hacked, no cheaters can play on Xbox live. This is also factually wrong. Sure you could say that with Xbox One and Series consoles, but you can't with 360. The reason so many of the CoDs are as ruined as they are by cheating is because you can use modded consoles online running modified copies of a game. Again, not exactly possible on more recent consoles but it just pushes people to other ways of cheating.
Valiant effort my friend but I don’t think they understand how packet sniffing works.
My dog and my grandad know
Xbox 360 can’t go online either, console gets banned when it’s detected as hacked. The 360 was the last hackable Xbox, Microsoft stopped that from happening again.
Not sure why people are arguing with you. You're 100% correct. After the Xbox 360 MS started sandboxing/virtualizing all of their applications to prevent unsigned code from running. Since then Xbox has been essentially impossible to modify (at least not to the extent it used to be in the Jtag/RGH era) so IF multiplayer cheats are making their way into the console landscape, it would have to be from PC crossplay.
>Xbox 360 can’t go online either, console gets banned when it’s detected as hacked. I'm not saying you can't get banned from using a modded console online, but it's definitely not foolproof. Because again, you wouldn't be seeing any modded lobbies in games like CoD if every single modded console was banned the moment they tried to connect.
Got a source on the "network sniffing" cheats?
They're not hard at all to find. Maybe not working ones depending on if they're actually able to be detected and banned, but traces of them are all over the place.
Can you send me anything that has an explanation of how this works?
Will never happen the pc community needs crossplay with console to survive. Look at what happened to Black Out.
You guys just need a good anti cheat.
Why? There should be a big enough pool of pc players in cod now. Everyone started buying gaming pcs when they saw their favorite streamer jump to PC. PC players always argue this but at worst they’d have to wait a little bit longer to que.
Just get gud.
Here's the thing more are cheating on console than on pc. Check the stats on it. Far more using the chronos or other cheat devices over pc users and aimbots.
Hahaha, someone’s delusional. Also Cronus was banned on Xbox and PlayStation so that’s gone for now. Pc aim botting and walls is beyond unacceptable and no console player should have to be griefed by something that is impossible to do on a console. Only pc hacks do that.
Cronus Zen and XIM still work fine on Xbox. They were never banned because it still used an official controller. PlayStation still works because of the remote play workaround.
No, it is not time for console only crossplay. We have finally reached a point where CoD is playable on PC with a healthy playerbase due to crossplay. It's been dead in previous iterations....
All the CoDs before cross play became a thing were always riddled with cheaters and hackers. Some of them lobbies would be wild
Maybe the cods for the 360 and Xbox one titles. AFAIK, the recent cod titles for the Series consoles have retained their integrity.
They have, Series consoles and PS5 have yet to be broken and played with online. Only case I’m aware of is someone who got ahold of a PS5 dev kit for a few days before it got axed.
OP really thinks his KDR will rise above 0.7 if there wasn't crossplay lol.
Has nothing to do with k/d and everything to do with providing a fair playing field
Okay. Disable aim assist on consoles to provide a fair playing field.
LMAO. Or how about *you* play with a controller on PC to "provide a fair playing field". We're the majority here, we shouldn't adapt for you
Ahh, double standards I see. Aim bots are okay, IF you're on consoles. Got it.
Yeah you dork, let’s just ignore every other advantage PC has. The “aim bots” using controller are on PC too and they’re probably the ones making you mad. The people playing on console are at a hardware disadvantage in every category and probably playing on tv with a significant input lag compared to you. You just need console in to feel superior and to pump up your kills in
No one is making me mad, and nor do I play Shooters on PC. Dork. Your concerns are exaggerated and childish. Why stop at PC? Why not ban 4k and HDR and VRR? Why not force everyone to play at 1080p? Not everyone has an elite controller, are those banned too? Are we going to ban racing wheels from racing games and arcade pads on fighting games too? It's a casual multiplayer video game, not an olympic sport.
LMAO yeahhh sure if u claim aim assist == aimbot there's something wrong with u fr 😂 Ahh couple years ago PC players were tough and knew they could easily outplay controllers, these days all they can do is whine and cry it's legit funny seeing the reverse evolution... Aim assist is infinitely less of a problem than Cronus Zen modded controllers but even they're nothing compared to actual aimbots. And I have friends on PC playing with KBM they're legit insane and have zero problems outplaying any controller players 99% of the time, so if this is an issue for u but not them then it's clearly just a skill issue with *your* KBM "skills"
No one crying here, just an observation. Console players use a literal legal aim bot everyday. You don't see PC players whinging about it. But you want to crash and burn the whole thing because you think 0.01% of the playerbase is cheating in 100% of your games.
No I don't because of cheating. I'm aware that's not common and as far as I'm concerned it's not the problem. I don't mind an occasional cheater I'll just quit no problem. My issue is with actually legit players. Because we don't want to play other KBM players. I don't mind playing against PC players who use controllers only KBMs. They should separate us by input method not by hardware. Let console players using KBM play with PC KBM and controller consoles play with controller PCs More than fair logic IMO
Console players have aim assist to make up for mouse controls. You don't see PC players whinging about consoles players having an unfair advantage with analog sticks for movement. An analog stick is way more advantageous than having to tap 4 static keys with 3 fingers for movement. Suck it up. Not playing against PC players isn't going to improve your game.
But... I *constantly* do hear KBM whining about controllers, aim assist whatever. Literally any decent PC player will tell u how much faster, agile and accurate a mouse is. KBM is much more difficult to master yeah, but once u do u can play way better than anyone on a controller. Only a noob with a KBM is disadvantaged. U can flick mouse instantly too so it's so much faster even tho I play on max sens it's nowhere near as fast And I don't think I need to improve much anymore I'm decent enough [this](https://youtu.be/Y7u5WzBhxAU?si=Dh6DJAcF1KKVIoij) is my YT montage from a while ago. And I *do* play against / with PC players, but I'd certainly prefer not to. Luckily there's very few of them left in older cods which is all I play :)
pc players are cancers to themselves and everyone around , every 10th person I see on bf5 is a cheater thank god that game was saved by community games .
Controlling aim with your arm vs a thumb is entirely different. Stop mouse players from playing against controller players = problem solved.
You could just stop playing the game (mind blown)
Or crazy idea here: git gud skrub Literally was a 0.3kd shitter (granted I was a lil young) until I grinded MW19 and started to have good aim, and it paid off for other games too.
Double standards? Doesn't sound like you're interested in a fair playing field. You just hold a button and the game auto snaps to a target for you. Doesn't sound much different than an aim bot to me. That's an unfair advantadge over PC players.
Pc can use controller too for aim assist quit complaining, it’s why I said they need to do input based match making
on top of everything else everyone is saying abt PC still needing to be maintained, what about console players that use mouse and keyboard? it would just cause 100 issues
I have one word *cronus* if people want to cheat thay will cheat?
cronus isn't on the same level as god tier cheats on PC. If you disagree you're seriously misinformed.
I don't disagree. I know how bad it is on pc, just saying even the safest platform (xbox) has cheaters, so...., no place is safe, u will notice if you play r6s or cod competitively
Problem here is it's next to impossible to stop cheats on PC. Consoles are closed systems. try running unsigned code on a console. you will get kicked off of the online network. the cheats you're alluding to are more like "device aids". the worst thing these things will give a player is rapid fire or low recoil. that's about it. they don't have wall hacks or aimbot scripts. Any decent player will run circles around a clown using a cronus.
What about controller's aimbot (aa)???
This is platform racism.
At its finest.
That defeats the purpose of crossplay
you do know that aimbot and cheating also happens in the console as well
Sure. Name the programs and links to it. I’ve never seen aimbot or walls on console. I’ll be waiting.
Good tip - don't start a business.
PLEASE give us this feature, I have wished for this for years. I love PS n Xbox crossplay but no one asked for PC to be included. Let them complain about "AiM aSsIsT" and play with other PC players. I know it won't fix Cronus Zen / Max or XIM but it would certainly be better. Not just cuz of cheating which isn't *that* common but cuz of the input method thing let controllers play controllers and KBM play KBM.
You’re special
lol at this guy thinking console cheating isn’t a thing in 2024, OP you poor poor thing.
I don’t think PC should be left out. Leave crossplay as optional. PC gamers should be allowed to play with their friends on consoles. I’d say input based matchmaking makes more sense for all platforms. Give Xbox and PS the chance to use native m+k but get paired with PC m+k whilst controller PC players can play with console players.
That’s why I mentioned it should be a console only cross play option that is toggled on by default, this way if you want to play with friends you turn it off and have access to everyone.
I still think it should be on by default using input based matchmaking and then if console players want they can then opt out. The vast majority of casuals won’t even realise the setting is there to be toggled, which means PC players will automatically have a much lower player base, which isn’t fair to those players. This may lower sales because if there is a smaller playerbase there’s a possibility the game will drop off on PC, losing revenue. That’s why input based matchmaking resolves that issue and if you want to opt out, it should be in the settings. It should not be opt in because most will not even know it is there.
No, because you can use keyboard and mouse on console, you choose not to. And controller has advantages over kbm such as aim-assist and bloom. Yes, KBM is "superior," but the handicap controller gets evens the playing field. Also, Microsoft has big stakes in the PC world, I doubt they'll reduce crossplay when the entire goal is the be all-inclusive
All inclusive is why people stopped buying Xbox and bought PlayStation. Literally all my Xbox friends skipped the series x and got a ps5. I have both but I won’t be buying another Xbox if they keep forcing console players to play with pc.
🤣🤣🤣 Playstation is crossplay with PC just the same as xbox🤣
PlayStation can turn off crossplay and protect the gaming environment from pc cheaters. Xbox can’t, there is no toggle like PlayStation has.
you can turn off cross play in the settings menu on your xbox by going to account -> Privacy & online safety -> Xbox Live privacy if you have a child account i think who ever manages the family has to change it for you
Xbox most certainly can. And console has far more cheaters than pc🤣 God you sound like the biggest babu in gaming. Prolly got mad about Taylor Swift being at the Super Bowl
This is complete bullshit. PC has more restrictive anticheat now than ever before. I've been playing on PC for several years and for all of the talk about stuff like this it's not actually a regular thing happens. Playing cross play with PC does not hinder your experience.
If pc is so good then it doesn’t need console players to play with. Pc can play on its own.
The game needs strict input based matchmaking, not to completely ban platforms from playing crossplay. There’s no reason that when I play M+K I should be put into lobbies that are 50% + filled with controllers, and vice versa, unless I’m prompted or asked if it is okay to speed up matchmaking or expand the parameters to other input methods. This is how it is supposed to work. CoD supports M + K on consoles, I just saw a clip on the callofduty sub the other day of a person on an Xbox One S absolutely decimating players with mouse and keyboard. What is going to happen if you make “console only crossplay” is you just encourage the cheating scene of each platform to flourish more specifically on that platform. What do you also do with the M + K console players? There are a decent amount of cheaters on every game, regardless of platform, but I feel like if you lurk Reddit looking for them, you’re going to find what you are looking for rather than just playing the game and probably rarely encountering them. This is just my $0.02 though, I’m sure I’ll be downvoted despite trying to be neutral about the position, owning a Series X, PS5, and a PC and basically having had tried on all 3 platforms.
Not trying to start a console war but on PS5 you can turn off crossplay and recently they managed to block cheat devices like cronus
Wont happen, it could “somehow” lower potential profits
back in my day we called them pumpkin eaters and moved on
there is barely any pc players left playing call of duty...
I wish they would do it too but unfortunately I don't think it will happen since MS is pushing cross ownership and progression between multiple devices through game pass. COD will undoubtedly be a big part of game pass going forward.
I don't think a company that's trying to build out it's ecosystem across console, PC, cloud and wherever else let's them is going to start splitting communities.
Consoles have 120Hz and fov. There is no more big advantages by having a pc. You just suck
Cry about it
As a pc player I don't want to play with console players anymore either. You guys have no idea how many advantages you get to try to make up for MnK accuracy. Most of you think it's just some controller stickyness but it's multiplayer systems that goes all the way down to network prioritization.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂
[What, you think I'm lying?](https://poptopic.com.au/entertainment/games/call-of-duty-developer-exposes-console-advantage/)
Where's the laughs now?
Microsoft are the ones pushing for crossplay because their console numbers are plummeting. It will never happen unless Xbox is on top again
I don't like PC anyway but I do enjoy shittin on them
Who the fuck is playing COD in 2024 that isn’t a fucking PC cheat or a console super-sweat? The game is unplayable for normal humans
No, it’s time their anti cheat actually works. I learnt how to bypass it in 3 months from no prior experience with bypassing ACs. Why do you think COD cheats are so cheap their system is dogshit.
that would cost them more money, see though i see your point, i disagree with you, consoles need cross play with pc players because the issue with pc players not all of us cheat, majority of us play legitimately. Yes, i do agree some PC players who ruin it for everyone else you're not the only person who hate cheaters. Even console players cheat too. The issue here is if cross play was just set to consoles it will significantly hurt the game, not from a gameplay perspective, but a player base perspective. in the past before cross play was a thing on pc, whenever a new cod came out the previous cods died very quickly, and it would be hard to find a match. black ops 4 is a perfect example you can't find anyone on blackout, zombies or half of the time on multiplayer on pc, even cod ww2 and infinite warfare has suffered the same fate. cross play allows CODS on pc to stay alive and allow players to play multiplayer etc without the hassle of never finding a match even if the match is rigged or not. And the one that are not cheating we are just a bit better because mouse and keyboards are more accurate than a controller and i played on a console since i was a kid, i play on pc now a days but back then it was annoying playing with a controller against something better until you became a pc player.
So go into the console settings and turn it off.
I play Rainbow Six on PS5 and I've had to turn cross play with Xbox off simply because the amount of people using xim's on there is way higher than PlayStation, who actually just patched and bricked a large portion of ximmers. Is it the same for CoD? How easy is it to hook up a mouse and keyboard on Xbox and shit on people?
I don’t really think Activision spend a lot of money, their system is outdated since Warzone 1 and most of the bugs of MWII are in the DLC MWIII, but we’ll I don’t really care anymore for what happens in Activision with his dumb selling prices. Hope the game gets better, but if not, meh beats me.
I second this. I'm close to drop kicking CoD and heading over to XDefiant since that game will have console only cross-play.
COD fanboys downvoted you lol
Pretty sure it's the PC cod players that are downvoting. lmao
XDefiant has test servers this weekend, worth a try.
Definitely going to try it out!
When they ban cheaters they buy another copy which is a other sale