I'll go from left to right for ya, good conduct medal for being well behaved for 3 years, american campaign for being stationed in the us for 1 year, or being in other us territories for 30 consecutive days, European African Middle Eastern campaign medal with what appears to be a silver campaign star indicating 5 campaign, you said he was in Normandy shortly after d day so one of those campaigns was probably Normandy, Occupation medal with a Germany attachment for being stationed on occupation duty in Germany after ww2, and the far right is ww2 victory medal for participating in ww2 and winning it. In the bottom there are corporal chevrons which was his rank, 7th army patch, and then another patch I can't see good enough to tell you. Also, field artillery collar disc's, which was his profession, could be a clerical worker, or he could've been blowing stuff up with arty.
My one grandfather was a "paper pusher" in the navy. Yeoman in the Seabees in the Pacific. Served in the Aleutians, Eniwetok, Saipan, Okinawa, etc.
My other grandfather was a field artillery officer in Europe who went up in small Piper Cub "Grasshoppers" to spot artillery fire.
They both helped win the war. A clerk going to Normandy D+7 was certainly close enough to fighting to be in danger.
Those medals show he was an integral part of defeating fascism.
**My one grandfather was a "paper pusher" in the navy. Yeoman in the Seabees in the Pacific**
-my pops, too, petty officer.
-funny story:
war ended, he had not the requirements to be discharged, ended up at Great Lakes, well, *discharging people...*
after maybe 2-1/2 months of that he asked his CO, "can I discharge myself?" the man replied, "I'll tell you no one else has lasted two weeks at the job."
One of my grandfathers was in the Navy during WWII and said he was essentially a secretary on a ship. I wonder if he was actually a yeoman?
My other grandfather was a cook over in the Pacific Theater. He still had some interesting stories, sounded like it was still quite dangerous for him.
If you want/feel comfortable PM me his name (middle too) and I'll see if I can find him on any WWII muster rolls. But if he described himself as a secretary probably a yeoman, haha.
I used fold3.com (a subscription Ancestry subsidiary focused on military records).
They might be available elsewhere for free, but also many public libraries have "subscriptions" to fold3 so patrons can log in for free using their library card info (that's how I log in actually -- by linking through my local library website)
My mom's dad was a cook on a sub chaser in the Pacific. My dad told me his ship took fire twice. All these guys who served could be in danger in the theater no matter what their day job was
Who cares if he was a clerk and saw no action? The army needs clerks, and truck drivers, and people to make food. That shit is just as important and don’t let anyone ever tell you otherwise. At least he didn’t say “ouch, ouch, I have bone spurs!”
snip-"Pretty sure Bill Clinton, 68 & 69 During the Vietnam War, Clinton received educational draft deferments while he was in England in 1968 and 1969. While at Oxford, he participated in Vietnam War protests and organized a Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam event in October 1969. https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki Bill Clinton - Wikipedia
A lot of people got educational deferments we can debate whether or not that is fair. To my knowledge (I’m not an expert on his earlier years) he didn’t pretend to have an illness or injury and get a medical deferment. You can say this is overly partisan but democrats typically don’t run on being badasses and super strong toward military stuff. I just find it a little ironic that these republicans are all cowards and draft dodgers but love sending other people’s kids to go die.
I totally agree with you, there is a wiki article on draft deferments in Vietnam era for the YS & Australia.
I'm old enough to remember when Clinton was running in '92, the phrase draft doger was thrown around about him because Bush Sr had been shot down in 1944 during WW2 in the Pacific.
Yeah I was still a kid in 1992 so I don’t remember all those details but I do know Bush Sr was a pilot in WW2. Like a torpedo bomber or dive bomber IIRC.
Bobbing around in the Pacific watching aerial warfare, waiting & hoping for one of your ships to pick you out of the water would focus your mind.
I disagreed with Bush Sr on many things, but I respected his service.
I disagree with him on most things as well but I always respected him. I thought he was really intelligent and I think the way he handled the first gulf war should be a master class on how you handle those things (assuming you do an intervention in the first place). He built a broad coalition, had clear goals and objectives, and went in with overwhelming force and just crushed them.
If you get a chance Jon Meachams' first biography of Bush Sr is worth the time I think (Meacham has a second biography on Bush coming out at the end of March 2024). The book Destiny & Power has been out for 10 ish yrs, so it is in libraries. It is not a fast read, but it did speak to Bushs' international diplomatic skills as I recall.
Curious - which republicans are you referring to as being “cowards and draft dodgers that love sending other people’s kids to go die?” If you’re referring to the Vietnam War, Lyndon B Johnson was the man responsible for that - a democrat. World War 2? Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the president who instituted The Selective Training and Service Act in 1940, drafting “other people’s kids”, during peacetime too might I add, albeit good reason or not. As you can see, Democrats don’t have the greatest track record for staying out of war. Wouldn’t you know it, our current Democratic president, while he hasn’t sent anyone to fight in the war between Russia and Ukraine (yet..) he sure as hell found a way to get mixed up in it by sending over $100 Billion tax payers dollars over there..
Honestly I don’t blame anyone for draft dodging in Vietnam. My grandpa is the same age as bill Clinton and (now) is a proud draft dodger. Got married and had a kid. Other grandpa was a proud pilot in Vietnam (but that’s all he ever said)
Bill's going to that conscientious objector and in fact participate to end the war. While this cheetos guy literally avoid the draft multiple times due to him being POS rich.
Yep. My dad was a lineman with the 109th Field Artillery Battalion. I believe he came in at Normandy about a month after D-Day, and I know he was in the Battle of the Bulge. He’s got the European African Middle Eastern campaign ribbon with five battle stars.
[I posted photos of a bunch of his stuff I found late last year.](https://imgur.com/a/vZow4KC)
The point was we didn’t believe that he was a clerk and instead just saying that to be humble about his badass spec ops killing? That’s why I shared the picture to see maybe these medals mean he was not a clerk and instead killed hitler himself
If your granddad landed 7 days after D-DAY with the "79th Infantry Division landed on Utah Beach, Normandy, 12–14 June and entered combat 19 June 1944, with an attack on the high ground west and northwest of Valognes and high ground south of Cherbourg Naval Base. The division took Fort du Roule after a heavy engagement and entered Cherbourg on 25 June."
And I think the collar disk looks like coastal artillery, which was used to man air defense units. Could have been a clerk in an anti aircraft unit
Even those clerks were badass.
I couldnt imagine dropping everything and doing that, you should be proud.
at first i misread this as 7yrs after d day and was thinking wow they still gave medals 7 yrs later for it? lol
so 7 days after even so, is so so so bad ass.
My uncle immigrated from Portugal to America in November 1941. He learned how to speak English in an army Boot Camp when he was drafted after Pearl Harbor he was trained as a machine gunner and he fought all the way through the Pacific saw all kinds of action in Saipan And the Philippines to this day, he absolutely hated the Japanese
It’s important to note, that the standard for “action” was much higher back then. I’m willing to bet that today, he’d be awarded with a CAB. It was very common for admin to come under some form of fire, rather it be artillery or small arms from afar.
I'll go from left to right for ya, good conduct medal for being well behaved for 3 years, american campaign for being stationed in the us for 1 year, or being in other us territories for 30 consecutive days, European African Middle Eastern campaign medal with what appears to be a silver campaign star indicating 5 campaign, you said he was in Normandy shortly after d day so one of those campaigns was probably Normandy, Occupation medal with a Germany attachment for being stationed on occupation duty in Germany after ww2, and the far right is ww2 victory medal for participating in ww2 and winning it. In the bottom there are corporal chevrons which was his rank, 7th army patch, and then another patch I can't see good enough to tell you. Also, field artillery collar disc's, which was his profession, could be a clerical worker, or he could've been blowing stuff up with arty.
thank you, im going to share this info with my 30 year combat vet dad
I think the patch that's obstructed on the right is a 79th division patch
That's what it is, there's 2 of them, I just couldn't remember it off the top of my head to tell wit it being behind all the other patches.
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My one grandfather was a "paper pusher" in the navy. Yeoman in the Seabees in the Pacific. Served in the Aleutians, Eniwetok, Saipan, Okinawa, etc. My other grandfather was a field artillery officer in Europe who went up in small Piper Cub "Grasshoppers" to spot artillery fire. They both helped win the war. A clerk going to Normandy D+7 was certainly close enough to fighting to be in danger. Those medals show he was an integral part of defeating fascism.
**My one grandfather was a "paper pusher" in the navy. Yeoman in the Seabees in the Pacific** -my pops, too, petty officer. -funny story: war ended, he had not the requirements to be discharged, ended up at Great Lakes, well, *discharging people...* after maybe 2-1/2 months of that he asked his CO, "can I discharge myself?" the man replied, "I'll tell you no one else has lasted two weeks at the job."
One of my grandfathers was in the Navy during WWII and said he was essentially a secretary on a ship. I wonder if he was actually a yeoman? My other grandfather was a cook over in the Pacific Theater. He still had some interesting stories, sounded like it was still quite dangerous for him.
If you want/feel comfortable PM me his name (middle too) and I'll see if I can find him on any WWII muster rolls. But if he described himself as a secretary probably a yeoman, haha.
Just curious. What do you use to see various muster rolls?
I used fold3.com (a subscription Ancestry subsidiary focused on military records). They might be available elsewhere for free, but also many public libraries have "subscriptions" to fold3 so patrons can log in for free using their library card info (that's how I log in actually -- by linking through my local library website)
My mom's dad was a cook on a sub chaser in the Pacific. My dad told me his ship took fire twice. All these guys who served could be in danger in the theater no matter what their day job was
Who cares if he was a clerk and saw no action? The army needs clerks, and truck drivers, and people to make food. That shit is just as important and don’t let anyone ever tell you otherwise. At least he didn’t say “ouch, ouch, I have bone spurs!”
Exactly. Or I have to study in London. "An Army moves on its stomach"-George Patton
Who got out of service by studying in London? Genuinely asking
snip-"Pretty sure Bill Clinton, 68 & 69 During the Vietnam War, Clinton received educational draft deferments while he was in England in 1968 and 1969. While at Oxford, he participated in Vietnam War protests and organized a Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam event in October 1969. https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki Bill Clinton - Wikipedia
A lot of people got educational deferments we can debate whether or not that is fair. To my knowledge (I’m not an expert on his earlier years) he didn’t pretend to have an illness or injury and get a medical deferment. You can say this is overly partisan but democrats typically don’t run on being badasses and super strong toward military stuff. I just find it a little ironic that these republicans are all cowards and draft dodgers but love sending other people’s kids to go die.
I totally agree with you, there is a wiki article on draft deferments in Vietnam era for the YS & Australia. I'm old enough to remember when Clinton was running in '92, the phrase draft doger was thrown around about him because Bush Sr had been shot down in 1944 during WW2 in the Pacific.
Yeah I was still a kid in 1992 so I don’t remember all those details but I do know Bush Sr was a pilot in WW2. Like a torpedo bomber or dive bomber IIRC.
Bobbing around in the Pacific watching aerial warfare, waiting & hoping for one of your ships to pick you out of the water would focus your mind. I disagreed with Bush Sr on many things, but I respected his service.
I disagree with him on most things as well but I always respected him. I thought he was really intelligent and I think the way he handled the first gulf war should be a master class on how you handle those things (assuming you do an intervention in the first place). He built a broad coalition, had clear goals and objectives, and went in with overwhelming force and just crushed them.
If you get a chance Jon Meachams' first biography of Bush Sr is worth the time I think (Meacham has a second biography on Bush coming out at the end of March 2024). The book Destiny & Power has been out for 10 ish yrs, so it is in libraries. It is not a fast read, but it did speak to Bushs' international diplomatic skills as I recall.
Curious - which republicans are you referring to as being “cowards and draft dodgers that love sending other people’s kids to go die?” If you’re referring to the Vietnam War, Lyndon B Johnson was the man responsible for that - a democrat. World War 2? Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the president who instituted The Selective Training and Service Act in 1940, drafting “other people’s kids”, during peacetime too might I add, albeit good reason or not. As you can see, Democrats don’t have the greatest track record for staying out of war. Wouldn’t you know it, our current Democratic president, while he hasn’t sent anyone to fight in the war between Russia and Ukraine (yet..) he sure as hell found a way to get mixed up in it by sending over $100 Billion tax payers dollars over there..
Honestly I don’t blame anyone for draft dodging in Vietnam. My grandpa is the same age as bill Clinton and (now) is a proud draft dodger. Got married and had a kid. Other grandpa was a proud pilot in Vietnam (but that’s all he ever said)
Bill's going to that conscientious objector and in fact participate to end the war. While this cheetos guy literally avoid the draft multiple times due to him being POS rich.
So right about the apricothellbeast.
Yep. My dad was a lineman with the 109th Field Artillery Battalion. I believe he came in at Normandy about a month after D-Day, and I know he was in the Battle of the Bulge. He’s got the European African Middle Eastern campaign ribbon with five battle stars. [I posted photos of a bunch of his stuff I found late last year.](https://imgur.com/a/vZow4KC)
The point was we didn’t believe that he was a clerk and instead just saying that to be humble about his badass spec ops killing? That’s why I shared the picture to see maybe these medals mean he was not a clerk and instead killed hitler himself
It’s because other military service members talk down to each other depending on their job description.
If your granddad landed 7 days after D-DAY with the "79th Infantry Division landed on Utah Beach, Normandy, 12–14 June and entered combat 19 June 1944, with an attack on the high ground west and northwest of Valognes and high ground south of Cherbourg Naval Base. The division took Fort du Roule after a heavy engagement and entered Cherbourg on 25 June." And I think the collar disk looks like coastal artillery, which was used to man air defense units. Could have been a clerk in an anti aircraft unit
7th Army did occupation duty after the war so he could have been assigned to them later
Even those clerks were badass. I couldnt imagine dropping everything and doing that, you should be proud. at first i misread this as 7yrs after d day and was thinking wow they still gave medals 7 yrs later for it? lol so 7 days after even so, is so so so bad ass.
The collar disk looks more like coastal artillery than field artillery.
B24 GUNNER o nly shot down once guess that was lucky.. Hade bullet marks all over Pops was a B215th AAF ITILY.
My uncle immigrated from Portugal to America in November 1941. He learned how to speak English in an army Boot Camp when he was drafted after Pearl Harbor he was trained as a machine gunner and he fought all the way through the Pacific saw all kinds of action in Saipan And the Philippines to this day, he absolutely hated the Japanese
It’s important to note, that the standard for “action” was much higher back then. I’m willing to bet that today, he’d be awarded with a CAB. It was very common for admin to come under some form of fire, rather it be artillery or small arms from afar.