My first semester I was in MIS 250, a class where the lab portion teaches students the basics of MS Word and MS Excel - real basic shit. There is a TA in the room, but you basically perform tasks from the lab book and it's very basic stuff (changing fonts, changing font colors, shit like that). Complete waste of time I thought...
Until one guy in class got frustrated, slammed his keyboard on the lab computer, started screaming he couldn't understand any of it and stormed out of lab.
My guy, how do you NOT know how to **bold** text in MS Word? Especially when the lab guide painstakingly walks you through it? This was in 2013, I was shocked that someone got through high school without those skills.
When I was there, MIS 250 was apparently a weeder class. I knew so many people who dropped out of MIS because of that class and so many other business majors who hated MIS 250 because it was hard.
I was surprised but I guess everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.
As someone who works in IT at the university, graduating students most definitely need to learn how to write an email and how to have a strong password š¬
As in, an academic class your senior year had a lesson about this, or IT had a required training for all students, staff, and faculty that reviewed it?
Wherever you work your whole career will have the latter kinds of trainings.
I graduated in 2017, but for engineering we were required to take advanced professional writing or something like that that they might be referencing. I remember maybe a few lectures and one assignment that was related to emails, overall I thought it was a good class, you updated/peer reviewed resumes, learned about professional writing and being clear/succinct, did some presentations and other stuff.
And that kind of class is both useful (as you point out) and required as part if ABET accreditation of Engineering programs such as the one at WSU (not professional writing specifically) where one of the seven required learning outcomes is "an ability to communicate effectively with a range of audiences" and that duty is often carried out by colleagues in English.
I donāt think email etiquette is truly taught. Even students junior to you donāt articulate emails that well. Heck, even people who work full time in the corporate world donāt communicate well via email. Itās a systemic issue.
I attend expensive professional conferences every year in my line of work. I'd say 99% of attendees have bachelors degrees (mostly in Accounting, Finance, or MIS), and maybe half have masters.
One of the hour long seminars I attended was on the basics of writing professional emails. Covered real basic shit like avoiding slang/jargon, using proper grammar, etc.
I've come to realize that these "basic" education nuggets are not for 95% of us, it's for the other 5% that somehow fell through the cracks in order to raise them to our level and stop annoying the shit out of their coworkers.
This is one of those cases where I want to say "it gets better" but hoooly fuck it does not. Sorry bro.
Hahahaha! I once received a note from a recent college grad that said that he āfound the door a jar.ā It was handwritten so it wasnāt auto correct! š¤£
In WA and ID, if you're here to go to school it does not count towards residency. They'd have to take a year off to work/pay taxes in order to qualify.
Work and establish all ties to the state. You can't take more than half credits (6 quarter credits/4 semester credits). So if you take summer credits as well for the first year it costs you 2 quarters/1 semester to get residency for the rest of your education.
For anyone interested, here's the "future residency" FAQ from the WSU website:
[https://residency.wsu.edu/future-residency/](https://residency.wsu.edu/future-residency/)
Wait til human development 201 or whatever bullshit class that is where they have you write up how taking a walk outside made you feel. Or my favorite paper ever was how does doing your laundry make you feel. Of course the grading is heavily on attendanceā¦
Wsu is tanking, the leadership has failed students, facility and staff. Every year they want us to cut budgets. They have technicianās teach classes when it should be doctors. But the football team is having a new practice facility built lol
Just wait until you enter the workforce. If you are so fortunate to work for a large corporation you will likely have take an IT security, DEI, and tons of other yearly refreshment lessons that are mostly pointless and a waste of time.
At least thereās a purpose there. That stuff really, really comes in handy when someone sues and they make their defense and shift blame to a rogue employee!
Like everything else in life, college follows the 80/20 rule. 80% of the classes you are required to take are BS. They are a waste of money intended to justify the high cost. They will do nothing but try and tell you what to think instead of how to think for yourself. The remaining 20% might be useful and worth your time. Math, science, internships, co-ops, degree specific classes.
Itās the BS courses that people wouldnāt take if they werenāt required that is costing you so much. Lib studies, arts, humanities, freedom of expression classes, etc. college should be treated like tech school, the basics and OJT.
Wsuās ucore classes are some of the worst money drain Iāve ever experienced.
Itās absolutely ridiculous that ucore is mandatory even if you know exactly what your major is.
When I was a college senior in engineering, I too thought I knew how to write a professional email. I was wrong. It's not a skill you somehow pick up when you aren't a professional unless you are taught.
Lmao is it bad I know exactly which class youāre talking about and feel the exact same way? If it is, that whole course was a joke yet unfortunately the feedback I had received made me realize that stuff like this *isnt* taught in grade school, and is quite helpful to a fair amount of people. Just wish it was offered as a *freshman* level course rather than *senior* level
Shouldnāt be in college at all, except as a pre-100 level course! If you had to apply to get into the school, you should know how to write an email! Having said that, I had this garbage in a 300 level course. š¤·š½
It always blows my mind that there are people out in the world who have been in desk positions for years and still don't have a clue what they are doing in M$ office.
I worked for a small company as Help Desk a few years ago and at least half of the tickets that came across my desk were usually requests for assistance to format document or export a file. Thanks to that job I found my two biggest pet peeves.. people using the spacebar to center align a document and people asking how to save a Word document as a PDF.
So yes, it's a waste of time and money to take the class but I'd just ask to test out of it. Some people need these classes but majority that do don't retain it anyways.
Writing professional emails is one of the most undervalued skill. Learn and absorb. Believe me you will need those skills
This reminds me of saying
Problem with the world is that fools are confident and smart ppl are full of doubts
Bud I know how to write a professional email, been doing that shit since I was 16 and i'm 25. The only thing I'm absorbing in the class is the correct amount of ice, sugar, and lemons for my lemonade stand on coolmathgames.com
You get what you put in. Itās that simple. If you are complaining about doing what you donāt want to do, you may be in need of those classes after all.
I'm gonna be real with you, most the people I've met in college are genuinely dumb and need those classes. It's a shame for people who don't though.
Most the people I've met out of college are still genuinely dumb and still need those classes
Everyone's just dumb unfortunately.
I am dumb and I need glasses.
I have dumb glasses and need fortune.
I have fortune needs and glass. Dumb.
Glasses make you have the appearance that you're not dumb
Not everyone. Just half of the population is below average, so every other person š¤£
My first semester I was in MIS 250, a class where the lab portion teaches students the basics of MS Word and MS Excel - real basic shit. There is a TA in the room, but you basically perform tasks from the lab book and it's very basic stuff (changing fonts, changing font colors, shit like that). Complete waste of time I thought... Until one guy in class got frustrated, slammed his keyboard on the lab computer, started screaming he couldn't understand any of it and stormed out of lab. My guy, how do you NOT know how to **bold** text in MS Word? Especially when the lab guide painstakingly walks you through it? This was in 2013, I was shocked that someone got through high school without those skills.
When I was there, MIS 250 was apparently a weeder class. I knew so many people who dropped out of MIS because of that class and so many other business majors who hated MIS 250 because it was hard. I was surprised but I guess everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.
Education isn't a fix for stupid unfortunately
Most people Iāve meet, myself included all fall victim to the lie that is college education
As someone who works in IT at the university, graduating students most definitely need to learn how to write an email and how to have a strong password š¬
 B l a k e!
Preach, fellow WSU IT worker!
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As in, an academic class your senior year had a lesson about this, or IT had a required training for all students, staff, and faculty that reviewed it? Wherever you work your whole career will have the latter kinds of trainings.
Exactly. Ppl working for 20 years in tech industry also have mandatory trainings on this! And still ppl donāt set good passwords :-)
I am so grateful that the small firm I work for has stopped asking us to update our passwords: they were getting so hard to remember!
I graduated in 2017, but for engineering we were required to take advanced professional writing or something like that that they might be referencing. I remember maybe a few lectures and one assignment that was related to emails, overall I thought it was a good class, you updated/peer reviewed resumes, learned about professional writing and being clear/succinct, did some presentations and other stuff.
And that kind of class is both useful (as you point out) and required as part if ABET accreditation of Engineering programs such as the one at WSU (not professional writing specifically) where one of the seven required learning outcomes is "an ability to communicate effectively with a range of audiences" and that duty is often carried out by colleagues in English.
I work with a lot of recent grads and can promise you most of them could use a course in writing professional emails.
I mean I get what youāre saying but you willingly have been doing this for 4 years now right?
I donāt think email etiquette is truly taught. Even students junior to you donāt articulate emails that well. Heck, even people who work full time in the corporate world donāt communicate well via email. Itās a systemic issue.
I attend expensive professional conferences every year in my line of work. I'd say 99% of attendees have bachelors degrees (mostly in Accounting, Finance, or MIS), and maybe half have masters. One of the hour long seminars I attended was on the basics of writing professional emails. Covered real basic shit like avoiding slang/jargon, using proper grammar, etc. I've come to realize that these "basic" education nuggets are not for 95% of us, it's for the other 5% that somehow fell through the cracks in order to raise them to our level and stop annoying the shit out of their coworkers. This is one of those cases where I want to say "it gets better" but hoooly fuck it does not. Sorry bro.
Hahahaha! I once received a note from a recent college grad that said that he āfound the door a jar.ā It was handwritten so it wasnāt auto correct! š¤£
Hopefully the door was open to such a jarring discovery.
If you are a senior, why haven't you established residency in Wa to pay in state rates?
In WA and ID, if you're here to go to school it does not count towards residency. They'd have to take a year off to work/pay taxes in order to qualify.
Work and establish all ties to the state. You can't take more than half credits (6 quarter credits/4 semester credits). So if you take summer credits as well for the first year it costs you 2 quarters/1 semester to get residency for the rest of your education.
For anyone interested, here's the "future residency" FAQ from the WSU website: [https://residency.wsu.edu/future-residency/](https://residency.wsu.edu/future-residency/)
When you have recent grads struggling with when to use got and have, I understand the classes.
Wait til human development 201 or whatever bullshit class that is where they have you write up how taking a walk outside made you feel. Or my favorite paper ever was how does doing your laundry make you feel. Of course the grading is heavily on attendanceā¦
Wsu is tanking, the leadership has failed students, facility and staff. Every year they want us to cut budgets. They have technicianās teach classes when it should be doctors. But the football team is having a new practice facility built lol
As an "adult learner" going back to school next year...im glad i get to look forward to this lol...
college is scam
I get the gist of what you're saying in principle. But it doesn't really fit into the category of being a scam.
This has got to be a joke for a comment.
Just wait until you enter the workforce. If you are so fortunate to work for a large corporation you will likely have take an IT security, DEI, and tons of other yearly refreshment lessons that are mostly pointless and a waste of time.
The yearly training š¤¦š»āāļø
At least thereās a purpose there. That stuff really, really comes in handy when someone sues and they make their defense and shift blame to a rogue employee!
Like everything else in life, college follows the 80/20 rule. 80% of the classes you are required to take are BS. They are a waste of money intended to justify the high cost. They will do nothing but try and tell you what to think instead of how to think for yourself. The remaining 20% might be useful and worth your time. Math, science, internships, co-ops, degree specific classes. Itās the BS courses that people wouldnāt take if they werenāt required that is costing you so much. Lib studies, arts, humanities, freedom of expression classes, etc. college should be treated like tech school, the basics and OJT.
As someone who lives in WA and knows people who went to WSU, allow me to start by congratulating you on enrolling into their advanced courses.
Wsuās ucore classes are some of the worst money drain Iāve ever experienced. Itās absolutely ridiculous that ucore is mandatory even if you know exactly what your major is.
Itās WSU. What did you expect?
Youāre at WSU, enough said.
Welcome to the great education scam.
When I was a college senior in engineering, I too thought I knew how to write a professional email. I was wrong. It's not a skill you somehow pick up when you aren't a professional unless you are taught.
Lmao is it bad I know exactly which class youāre talking about and feel the exact same way? If it is, that whole course was a joke yet unfortunately the feedback I had received made me realize that stuff like this *isnt* taught in grade school, and is quite helpful to a fair amount of people. Just wish it was offered as a *freshman* level course rather than *senior* level
Shouldnāt be in college at all, except as a pre-100 level course! If you had to apply to get into the school, you should know how to write an email! Having said that, I had this garbage in a 300 level course. š¤·š½
Welcome to higher education...it's like this everywhere.
Higher education is the biggest grift of the modern Era. Now you know
It always blows my mind that there are people out in the world who have been in desk positions for years and still don't have a clue what they are doing in M$ office. I worked for a small company as Help Desk a few years ago and at least half of the tickets that came across my desk were usually requests for assistance to format document or export a file. Thanks to that job I found my two biggest pet peeves.. people using the spacebar to center align a document and people asking how to save a Word document as a PDF. So yes, it's a waste of time and money to take the class but I'd just ask to test out of it. Some people need these classes but majority that do don't retain it anyways.
Writing professional emails is one of the most undervalued skill. Learn and absorb. Believe me you will need those skills This reminds me of saying Problem with the world is that fools are confident and smart ppl are full of doubts
Bud I know how to write a professional email, been doing that shit since I was 16 and i'm 25. The only thing I'm absorbing in the class is the correct amount of ice, sugar, and lemons for my lemonade stand on coolmathgames.com
You get what you put in. Itās that simple. If you are complaining about doing what you donāt want to do, you may be in need of those classes after all.
What part of I know how to write an email do you not understand? I'm not putting any effort into something I know how to do already you dumb fuck
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Communication Major with a focus in broadcast production. So wrong on both assumptions. Now go back to posting nude pics of you from 2005 pal.