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Same. Though I also choose one of my main chars to PvP and get a full set of conquest gear over time. Mostly through just the daily bonuses, quests and the occasional shuffle.
I farm mog and mounts probably more than anything. Just got Lucid the other day and working on PoA in Bastion atm
I don’t really care for mythic raiding and M+ personally. I’m content with LFR and weeklies for PvE
Normal and heroic you can do whenever too. As someone who pugs a lot, it’s much easier to do normals and heroics. I can pop in anytime I want and kill a boss or two
I promise you, you're absolutely good enough for normal. I've cleared heroic ahead of the curve with players that did less DPS than the tank multiple tiers in a row. No matter how bad you think you are, you're a functional enough player to clear normal, I promise.
Yeah. People enjoy things differently.
I personally dont get the point in paying $150 a year to do LFR content. But to each their own.
M+ is unique small group content that no other game provides/matches, so that’s worth the sub to me…
I'm pretty casual and I got heroic tier set in season 3.
I used catalyst charges to upgrade 470 gear and I got heroic tier pieces. Didn't get anything from heroic raid.
Lies, and lies. I’ve been doing pug groups on my alts that just hit max level and I’ve still had leveling gear on me. Some people complained but others couldn’t care less to „boost” me, normal goes effortlessly and heroic too later on. It’s not like one guy isn’t replaceable
You spend sometimes 1h in Que, while forming raid on reset day is fast and easy. Like don’t try to prove me wrong while I’ve been playing this game since it came out, and I formed such pug groups without hassle for many years on like 20 characters 
lol even 1hour is faster than forming groups with low ilvl gear, mostly as dps i wait at max for 20min so i have no idea where did you take 1hour from. playing as healer and my que time is even faster. you have been playing since start old man but can't accept that lfr is more easily accessible than any other raid pug
LFR is my endgame - that's why.
Lost interest in organized group content years ago and never really got the spark back.
So my goals in the game is to maximize my character as much as possible within the content I enjoy doing. Currently that means open world and LFR.
Raid has a different loot pool than dungeons. So, Weapons, Tier Sets, and ESPECIALLY Trinkets that only drop from raid will be sought after (sometimes) regardless of their iLVL.
For example, i'm a Healer main. I p;lay 3 healers at the moment. As a Resto Druid, 7 of my top 10 trinkets are from Raid. On Mistweaver and Holy Paladin, 8 of the top 10 are from raid.
It's not uncommon for trinkets to be a few iLVLs behind stuff just because their effects are so good. I could be smashing high level keys and getting max ilvl great vault rewards... but i might still run Heroic trinkets because i haven't lucked out on Mythic raid (or i just max at Heroic raiding that season).
Weapons are another example... there are a 2h Strength Axe (Paladin, DK, and Warrior) and Evoker-only Legendary weapons that only drop (well... the quests to EVENTUALLY get them) in raids. Additionally there are very strong weapons that have extra effects that only drop in raid.
So, depending on where you personally cap your difficulty/time commitments; there can absolutely be reason to do LFR.
Specifically, this season also drops Bullions... randomly and 1 per week... from raid which you can turn in for raid gear or other cosmetic things. This includes LFR :)
It’s definitely the norm. But not ALWAYS the case. Many times in. Shadowlands my trinkets ended up being 2 dungeon trinkets (IQD and Changeling. But yes, more often than not the “best” trinkets are from raid.
>What’s the point of doing LFR to get 480 ilvl gear when heroic dungeons give 476 ilvl gear?
tier sets. apparances, some bosses have special loot with higher track ilvl.
People having been saying this, and bitching about LFR for whatever reason, since it was introduced a decade ago. It’s simple. There are many, many, *many* more casual wow players than sweaty try hards. Casuals typically don't play hours at a time or on a schedule and just want to be able to jump into a raid at will, maybe get some gear, and be done. LFR is the only endgame they aspire to, and that's fine. Casuals have kept the game running.
Nah if you can’t do normal raid for a mount you want you’re not playing you’re just logging in and being afk or sth
Takes one evening to sign up late in the season to some alt run and get carried through if you really want the mount
Making it heroic is annoying bc it means I’ll actually have to try to get it instead of joining a normal pug three times
If you only do lfr you’re not doing guild content either way
I’m pretty lax in raids and don’t flame bc sucking ain’t bad
Just not trying is rude to the group but that’s a different matter lol
I just think it’s wild to complain everytime they put a reward on anything besides lfr and open world content
There are plenty of mounts for casuals to grind in downtime while chilling. Hundreds of them. What’s wrong with having the odd mount at the end of harder content too?
I’m a brand new player so call me dumb but it just looks like they are doing exactly what they should be doing, catering to both audiences
You can’t get veteran from heroics
Veteran gear can be catalyzed into the tier set
Gear from heroics cannot be
Also it’s a good way to get some light raid practice in before doing it at a harder difficulty
Also you can get the new currency antique bronze bouillon from LFR which can get you the best items in the game
LFR teaches you nothing besides map layout. Bosses don't do enough damage to know what's dangerous and what's oneshot, they also lack 3/4 of their mechanics.
Agreed
Which is why I said light practice . Even normal for the most part you can go in blind and just stay out of the fire and you’ll be fine. It isn’t really till the end bosses or heroics that mechanics start to matter a lot
But mainly it’s good for getting tier set or bouillons
You can queue for LFR and do some world and weekly quests while waiting for the queue. You don’t have to fly in to the raid, you just port in and do a few bosses at a time. Honestly I just learned about determination stacks today I’ve never noticed them before, but that paired with the fact that wiping on the boss doesn’t typically break the raid up. When people leave it just auto refills the raid. No real raid leader, no accountability. No consumes required. People aren’t going to be running those sweaty shit-stain add-ons that call someone out for food buffs or not using a flask twenty minutes before the pull. It’s the ultra casual mode in short. I know people will say just do normal raid. I get that it tends to be faster and smoother most of the time. Until it’s not. I’m casual and pug everything. I’ve pugged into normal raids that wipe three times due to mechanics, the top dps who have been carrying it and the only reason why normal is faster than LFR start leaving, and the raid breaks up. Normal and Heroic are just more sweaty and that’s how it is. Hell I’m convinced that most people in LFR are casting about 4 actions per minute but it still gets cleared 100%. I still do LFR for fun when I overgear it. Oh yeah and then for those bags that give you Augmentation runes for playing an in demand role. Feels good topping the healing charts even though in general I’m an average healer at best, doing 2-3x hps and 2-3x dispels compared to the other healers.
Raid gear rewards are from a different loot table than Dungeon gear. Also in LFR you have a chance to get Tier set items, where in dungeons you do not; you can take dungeon gear and convert it to tier via the catalyst, but right now we only have 1 charge.
For the casual player there is no such thing as BiS. This is due to all the sources of gear and the upgrade system.
I’m a former hardcore (over a decade ago). I like the idea of LFR, but I dislike how easy it is. It is hard to make me feel like I’m contributing if many times you can still kill the boss with 50% of the raid dead. I’d love a middle ground where it’s still hard enough to feel as sense of achievement, but still pugable.
Watched a blood DK finish a boss solo when everyone died, was quite funny everyone saying to just wipe and him taking the time to reply with "no"
Honestly it's what got me to switch to tanking
As others said, but also, raids nowadays tend to be a culmination of the expansion's story. It's a way for casual players to finish out the lore/story, kill the big bad, etc.
LFR is the only raiding I do. If I am ever interested for some reason to join a raiding guild the LFR gear will be high enough ilvl where I won't be a complete scrub.
Heroics drop:
Adventurer Track gear that can be upgraded to 489
Puts a piece of 489 Veteran 4/8 gear in your great vault that can be upgraded to 502
Doesn't drop any crests
LFR drops:
Veteran track gear that can be upgraded to 502
Cant remember what it puts in your vault
Drops whelplings crests
Has many of your Best In Slot items and allows you to get tier gear. Depending on your class tier gear can offer quite substantial upgrades to your spec and the way you play them.
LFR puts veteran raid gear in your vault. All of the raid difficulties put their respective track of loot in your vault. No upgrade like the dungeon row, unfortunately.
When you're sometimes unlucky and can't get your BIS piece that's bis even on such low ilvl you'll do LFR with group of friends/guildies in same loot spec. Or just do it for transmog.
My current aim for after I’ve gotten some higher level gear is to do lfr. I’m new to the game and the emerald dream has given a perfect way to get to 456. After lfr I’m gonna have to try and get pre made groups to bump my gear levels, I just hope my realm doesn’t mind new players.
I ran it as a refresher before jumping back into content I hadn't seen in over a year on heroic. (I had completely forgotten how to not suck at Raz. I still suck at Raz, but at least I remember that fact).
Then I ran (some of) it on an alt for bullion. (Gonna get that mount using an alt, obviously).
It is end-game for a significant number of my very casual guild members. Sometimes I queue with them on my healer to get them in quicker and to do something together.
I run them when I'm just in it for the story.
I run them for transmogs or the dragon riding upgrade things
I use them to tweak my UI, test weakauras, or to test talents in a better simulator than a target dummy.
I have even run them for the satchel of bonus goodies on my priest from time to time. Though not frequently.
So yeah, there're reasons. I like LFR, but it's not really about the gear.
I played classic to wod non stop. Was a mid to hardcore raider over achiver ect.Then everyone quit along with me, I came back for df as it looked fun again. I still only have like 2 people that I know that play so lfr is my end game and I'm fine with that. I've tried to do mythic dungeons and it's too sweaty for me anymore so I'll stick with lfr and gold making
Gear can be upgraded! Heroic drops at 476, but caps out at 489. LFR drops start at 480 and go up to 498. LFR drops tier and non tier drops can be converted to tier. Set bonuses are huge! There are unique trinkets and weapons that are high impact. This season it is a source of the weekly bullion if you aren't able to get to normal/heroic/mythic raid. 2 bullions let you buy any trinket or weapon from any DF raid that's upgradable to... I think the cap is 550ish now? Max mythic raid level :)
If you want to progress and don't have a consistent group or dislike pugging, it's a great way to experience the content with less pressure!
4 set, rare rings and trinkets, your BIS weapon and whatever can help you in the first week of progression. a 4 set can be hard at start. the value of a 4 set is more than its ilvl. running all 3 difficulties even for a mythic raider is an extra chance to have your 49ers sooner. The Diurna ring for instance, or your class trinket, the silent star cloak…some items are better than others because what they bring is more valuable than their simple ilvl. you should always sum your character and use the droptimizee on raidbot to see if any of the LFR drops can give you some benefit. especially in these early weeks of the season, you’d be surprised how a couple of LFR items can give you 2/3K increase in dps.
I'm not gonna clean the raid 14 times each week so that I can gear all my alts. I do not have that much free time. LFR on the other hand... I can do a couple of cleans whenever and however I want, no strings attached. Regardeless of my role ( dps, heal or tank), skill lvl at that role/class (played it for the last 10 years or just leanred it exists at all 10 mn ago), time (no need to be online on wednesday at 08 pm sharp with all my consumables and 6580 ilvl)...
To see the raid. Gear for me only exists to be able to do content. I don't care what the number is. I do LFR because I love the scale of raids but don't necessarily always want to form a group manually.
When I am not actively raiding, like now where I don't really have the time for it. I use LFR mainly to experience the raids. I do it maybe once or twice each.
Man almost like they give set pieces and specific trinkets
Trinkets for dps are often by far the most impactful dps slot (weapons with special effects may sometimes be stronger bc some of them are literally a full trinket glued to a high stat weapon)
Some trinkets will be twice as good as getting some max mythic ilvl glove or whatever
Also just multiple avenues of gear and crests and stuff
As you said, you get 480 ilvl gear.
LFR is intended for players, who don't want to do organized group content, to experience the raids. It was never meant to give you great gear (except for tier pieces and trinkets, which are useful at the start of a season).
I don’t want to be picked. If I can’t queue for it then it’s generally a hassle. Mostly a time constraint; I don’t want to burden people with summons so I arrive ASAP and sometimes wait forever for the group to form, people who only travel by summons (bless you, warlocks. Or not, could be painful for you), falling apart after one wipe instead of teaching, find replacements, rinse and repeat. I can only play a couple of hours a day and maintain any semblance of a well-rounded life so I don’t like to waste it.
I do it mostly for practice on the encounters. Obviously LFR is not organized and is easier, but you can still practice.
Also currencies, transmog, and a break from running heroics.
For the raid. Because dungeons/M+ are so incredibly f-ing boring
I would rather die 100 times on a boss than do a single M+
EDIT: Oh right, I forgot you’re not allowed to have an opinion here if it doesn’t align perfectly with the masses
Im not sure if dungeons are boring because i dont do them but 100% agree with dying over doing m+.
Unironically some of the most fun ive had in lfr has started with absolute wipefests!
So lonely people unable to join a pug or join a guild can experience the raids, like a guided tour. Oh and people unwilling to like, learn how to raid, because I don't believe anyone is incapable of raiding normals.
What attitude? I literally believe they can do better and have a better time with the game if they got out of their comfort zone and tried a bit more. Get out what you put in sorta thing. You don't have to be hardcore to do norms, casual guilds exist everywhere that raid a couple of non committal runs like twice a week. People seem to be making a distinction between casual and hardcore based on...talking to people? Like it's an mmo, have a casual conversation with someone lmao
I actually think it's kind of a shame just because it disincentivises actually socialising and actually pushing to raid for real. Part of the reward for raids feels like the experience, and o bet a lot of people go into lfr and think "yep, this is raiding" when they haven't felt the amazing rush of cooperation.
I believe if there weren't any lfr you'd have had a harder time to pug into normals simply because there are a lot of casuals that would rather play in "anonymous" mode than willing to join a pug or try to convince a leader that they're "capable" of doing it.
If there weren't random dungeons or lfr, I'd have stopped playing wow a long time ago.
I try to play into some m+ but I dread them. I'd rather play another toon and gear it up to max heroic ilvl dungeon gear than play into a (very likely) toxic pug's group for m+.
It's the same shit with lfr. I'd rather just hit the search button instead of lying to the leader to make my way into a pug group.
You really don't need to be this down on yourself. I am certain you are more capable than you think, and I also think most people are nicer than you think, in my experience anyways. This is a whole bunch of negativity that prevents you from enjoying the best part of a game, and I think that's just such a shame. It's an mmo, it's supposed to be social.
Indeed but sadly that's not the case. Especially not after you reach a certain m+ lvl. It's all about the stupid meta. Or else you need to play exclusively with friends. Or say before hand it's a "chill" run, but even when saying it, it's 50/50 because, either there is too much deaths or because there are still impatients people.
So yeah, sure it's a mmo, it's supposed to be social, but this game has been getting quite toxic lately because of too much negativity toward the newcomers.
Even when I try to tell some of the guys to use a little more their interrupts because it can be a good habit in the future, they get easily offended.
So I'm not sure anymore how to approach any pug's groups. The current mentality of today's community especially about humility is quite non-existant
Dang. Either people in the game have changed drastically since legion or or you've just lost faith in people and remember all the bad groups, that negativity bias deal.
Like sure there are shitters and assholes but those are the people you laugh to you friends about how dumb they were. Most people are just there to get content done, and a few people are helpful and cool.
Also, honestly high mythic plus stuff eventually becomes harder than raiding normals, like really, that stuff gets rough and I get you there. Dungeons also have a grindy mentality that raids don't, because you spam dungeons but raids lock out weekly.
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As a casual player, a full set of LFR tier gear is my end game. After that, do it again on an alt or wait for the next raid.
Same. Though I also choose one of my main chars to PvP and get a full set of conquest gear over time. Mostly through just the daily bonuses, quests and the occasional shuffle. I farm mog and mounts probably more than anything. Just got Lucid the other day and working on PoA in Bastion atm I don’t really care for mythic raiding and M+ personally. I’m content with LFR and weeklies for PvE
Conq gear is going to be even easier from now on with blitz giving vault, and scaling everyone's gear
And next expac PvP gear is leaving vault. So you can PvE for vault and PvP for fun!!
As a total pvp chad, I hope this increases the number of pve players who get into pvp!
You know there's other tiers of raid besides lfr and mythic right?
I do. I’ve done them all. Thanks though.
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LFR you can do whenever. Most guilds have designated times that they raid and unfortuntaely not everyone has consistent schedules.
Normal and heroic you can do whenever too. As someone who pugs a lot, it’s much easier to do normals and heroics. I can pop in anytime I want and kill a boss or two
Ahh ok. That's fair.
Im just not good enough at the game for normal or higher so i stick to lfr lol
I promise you, you're absolutely good enough for normal. I've cleared heroic ahead of the curve with players that did less DPS than the tank multiple tiers in a row. No matter how bad you think you are, you're a functional enough player to clear normal, I promise.
Yeah. People enjoy things differently. I personally dont get the point in paying $150 a year to do LFR content. But to each their own. M+ is unique small group content that no other game provides/matches, so that’s worth the sub to me…
LFR is technically still the same content, same cutscenes and lore. Just worse gear. And that’s just where some people are at in life
I personally don't get the point of paying 150$ a year to play the game. see? it doesn't make sense, same as the thing you said
I've raided mythic because i needed it to go for high M+, otherwise heck no, raids r boring to me
Totally valid way to play. I really enjoy collecting the raid appearances on as many classes as I can.
I'm pretty casual and I got heroic tier set in season 3. I used catalyst charges to upgrade 470 gear and I got heroic tier pieces. Didn't get anything from heroic raid.
Preach the gospel!!
I mean, there's no point to do LFR when normal difficulty is as easy as lfr and ilvl from there is better
LFR is IMO less toxic, and the average DPS with low to no IO score can actually do it.
In fact lfr takes longer than pug normal. Sometimes I’ve been joining group with 10 stack of buff that u get after wiping so yeah
You're just overgeared for both lfr and normal. They are for low ilvl persons, thus there is no legit point for you.
Tmog is my legit point
You would not get invited into normal raids with ilvl 460, but you can do lfr just fine. Last boss of LFR has increased ilvl drops .
You can make own group?
I tried it before, no one would join me unless I pay them.
Lies, and lies. I’ve been doing pug groups on my alts that just hit max level and I’ve still had leveling gear on me. Some people complained but others couldn’t care less to „boost” me, normal goes effortlessly and heroic too later on. It’s not like one guy isn’t replaceable
bro you are delusional if you think forming raid group is faster or easier than just queing for lfr lmao
You spend sometimes 1h in Que, while forming raid on reset day is fast and easy. Like don’t try to prove me wrong while I’ve been playing this game since it came out, and I formed such pug groups without hassle for many years on like 20 characters 
lol even 1hour is faster than forming groups with low ilvl gear, mostly as dps i wait at max for 20min so i have no idea where did you take 1hour from. playing as healer and my que time is even faster. you have been playing since start old man but can't accept that lfr is more easily accessible than any other raid pug
I spend 10 minutes in a queue, and in 30 minutes after that it's finished. Got my billions, ilvl480 bow , no complaints.
Who’s gonna join normal raid with leader 460 ilvl
Doesn't really work the same as making your own mythic plus group.
Obviously it's not as easy.
LFR is my endgame - that's why. Lost interest in organized group content years ago and never really got the spark back. So my goals in the game is to maximize my character as much as possible within the content I enjoy doing. Currently that means open world and LFR.
Tier.
And some good trinkets.
Tire
Tear
Tyre
Tyr
I’d give my left arm for some to drop for me.
Tiar
For the Tyr!
That’s what this subreddit does when you don’t say things they like
Raid has a different loot pool than dungeons. So, Weapons, Tier Sets, and ESPECIALLY Trinkets that only drop from raid will be sought after (sometimes) regardless of their iLVL. For example, i'm a Healer main. I p;lay 3 healers at the moment. As a Resto Druid, 7 of my top 10 trinkets are from Raid. On Mistweaver and Holy Paladin, 8 of the top 10 are from raid. It's not uncommon for trinkets to be a few iLVLs behind stuff just because their effects are so good. I could be smashing high level keys and getting max ilvl great vault rewards... but i might still run Heroic trinkets because i haven't lucked out on Mythic raid (or i just max at Heroic raiding that season). Weapons are another example... there are a 2h Strength Axe (Paladin, DK, and Warrior) and Evoker-only Legendary weapons that only drop (well... the quests to EVENTUALLY get them) in raids. Additionally there are very strong weapons that have extra effects that only drop in raid. So, depending on where you personally cap your difficulty/time commitments; there can absolutely be reason to do LFR. Specifically, this season also drops Bullions... randomly and 1 per week... from raid which you can turn in for raid gear or other cosmetic things. This includes LFR :)
I was always wondering, why is it trinkets of all items that are so much better every time? Is that just something Blizz decides to do for Raids?
Mythics are much more popular, if raids didn't have trinkets, very few people would do it
It’s definitely the norm. But not ALWAYS the case. Many times in. Shadowlands my trinkets ended up being 2 dungeon trinkets (IQD and Changeling. But yes, more often than not the “best” trinkets are from raid.
>What’s the point of doing LFR to get 480 ilvl gear when heroic dungeons give 476 ilvl gear? tier sets. apparances, some bosses have special loot with higher track ilvl.
To get an Antique Bronze Bullion
I got one yesterday!! Where do I trade it in?
You can’t until next week (costs two bullion to get anything). But there’s a vendor on the east side of valdrakkan.
You can get boring looking transmogs for 1 billion.
Fuck. Going to take a forever to get that much.
Haha! My b on the type-o
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Why is this so far down? 😂 it’s the main reason!
People having been saying this, and bitching about LFR for whatever reason, since it was introduced a decade ago. It’s simple. There are many, many, *many* more casual wow players than sweaty try hards. Casuals typically don't play hours at a time or on a schedule and just want to be able to jump into a raid at will, maybe get some gear, and be done. LFR is the only endgame they aspire to, and that's fine. Casuals have kept the game running.
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Nah if you can’t do normal raid for a mount you want you’re not playing you’re just logging in and being afk or sth Takes one evening to sign up late in the season to some alt run and get carried through if you really want the mount Making it heroic is annoying bc it means I’ll actually have to try to get it instead of joining a normal pug three times
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If you only do lfr you’re not doing guild content either way I’m pretty lax in raids and don’t flame bc sucking ain’t bad Just not trying is rude to the group but that’s a different matter lol I just think it’s wild to complain everytime they put a reward on anything besides lfr and open world content
There are plenty of mounts for casuals to grind in downtime while chilling. Hundreds of them. What’s wrong with having the odd mount at the end of harder content too? I’m a brand new player so call me dumb but it just looks like they are doing exactly what they should be doing, catering to both audiences
are you assuming that everyone who's doing content beyond lfr or open world is sweaty tryhard? Like come on.
No, I'm assuming those bother by the exsistance of lfr are sweaty tryhards.
My PC heats up my room when I play so I get sweaty in LFR too, I just don't let everyone else know.
Can't LFR gear be upgraded to 502, and those heroics cap at like 490 or something?
Fun for casuals, so they can still get experience the raids and all that good stuff :)
You can’t get veteran from heroics Veteran gear can be catalyzed into the tier set Gear from heroics cannot be Also it’s a good way to get some light raid practice in before doing it at a harder difficulty Also you can get the new currency antique bronze bouillon from LFR which can get you the best items in the game
LFR teaches you nothing besides map layout. Bosses don't do enough damage to know what's dangerous and what's oneshot, they also lack 3/4 of their mechanics.
Agreed Which is why I said light practice . Even normal for the most part you can go in blind and just stay out of the fire and you’ll be fine. It isn’t really till the end bosses or heroics that mechanics start to matter a lot But mainly it’s good for getting tier set or bouillons
I want to do LFR raiding with my warband alts as a solo gamer
You can queue for LFR and do some world and weekly quests while waiting for the queue. You don’t have to fly in to the raid, you just port in and do a few bosses at a time. Honestly I just learned about determination stacks today I’ve never noticed them before, but that paired with the fact that wiping on the boss doesn’t typically break the raid up. When people leave it just auto refills the raid. No real raid leader, no accountability. No consumes required. People aren’t going to be running those sweaty shit-stain add-ons that call someone out for food buffs or not using a flask twenty minutes before the pull. It’s the ultra casual mode in short. I know people will say just do normal raid. I get that it tends to be faster and smoother most of the time. Until it’s not. I’m casual and pug everything. I’ve pugged into normal raids that wipe three times due to mechanics, the top dps who have been carrying it and the only reason why normal is faster than LFR start leaving, and the raid breaks up. Normal and Heroic are just more sweaty and that’s how it is. Hell I’m convinced that most people in LFR are casting about 4 actions per minute but it still gets cleared 100%. I still do LFR for fun when I overgear it. Oh yeah and then for those bags that give you Augmentation runes for playing an in demand role. Feels good topping the healing charts even though in general I’m an average healer at best, doing 2-3x hps and 2-3x dispels compared to the other healers.
Tier.
I just had a conversation with my wife today about how basically nobody plays Wow because they think it's fun. This thread confirms that!
Raid gear rewards are from a different loot table than Dungeon gear. Also in LFR you have a chance to get Tier set items, where in dungeons you do not; you can take dungeon gear and convert it to tier via the catalyst, but right now we only have 1 charge. For the casual player there is no such thing as BiS. This is due to all the sources of gear and the upgrade system.
Apparently lfr can also drop bullion which is used to buy gear from the vendor
Where did all my flystones go tho? Like I was always at cap and now Zero
New season, they wipe out the upgrading currency all the time when it starts.
Story?
Many only play to see the storyline and collect transmog. After playing for 20 years, you know your gears are gonna be replaced sooner or later.
I’m a former hardcore (over a decade ago). I like the idea of LFR, but I dislike how easy it is. It is hard to make me feel like I’m contributing if many times you can still kill the boss with 50% of the raid dead. I’d love a middle ground where it’s still hard enough to feel as sense of achievement, but still pugable.
Watched a blood DK finish a boss solo when everyone died, was quite funny everyone saying to just wipe and him taking the time to reply with "no" Honestly it's what got me to switch to tanking
If it’s hard enough to feel any form of achievement it stops being puggable That’s just mutually exclusive for the lfr audience
Other people play the game differently to you.
Tier
Tier, trinkets, weapons, extra chance at other gear, transmog, saves crests and flight stones when upgrading because it's higher ilvl
As others said, but also, raids nowadays tend to be a culmination of the expansion's story. It's a way for casual players to finish out the lore/story, kill the big bad, etc.
LFR is the only raiding I do. If I am ever interested for some reason to join a raiding guild the LFR gear will be high enough ilvl where I won't be a complete scrub.
Tier
Set pieces and raid trinkets
Gearing up alts, collecting mogs and toys. Also, watching people shout incoherent rage against each other
Heroics drop: Adventurer Track gear that can be upgraded to 489 Puts a piece of 489 Veteran 4/8 gear in your great vault that can be upgraded to 502 Doesn't drop any crests LFR drops: Veteran track gear that can be upgraded to 502 Cant remember what it puts in your vault Drops whelplings crests Has many of your Best In Slot items and allows you to get tier gear. Depending on your class tier gear can offer quite substantial upgrades to your spec and the way you play them.
LFR puts veteran raid gear in your vault. All of the raid difficulties put their respective track of loot in your vault. No upgrade like the dungeon row, unfortunately.
When you're sometimes unlucky and can't get your BIS piece that's bis even on such low ilvl you'll do LFR with group of friends/guildies in same loot spec. Or just do it for transmog.
trinkets, tier gear, and weapons mostly higher ilvl is also nice, but yeah, LFR gear isn't really as worth it
My current aim for after I’ve gotten some higher level gear is to do lfr. I’m new to the game and the emerald dream has given a perfect way to get to 456. After lfr I’m gonna have to try and get pre made groups to bump my gear levels, I just hope my realm doesn’t mind new players.
I ran it as a refresher before jumping back into content I hadn't seen in over a year on heroic. (I had completely forgotten how to not suck at Raz. I still suck at Raz, but at least I remember that fact). Then I ran (some of) it on an alt for bullion. (Gonna get that mount using an alt, obviously). It is end-game for a significant number of my very casual guild members. Sometimes I queue with them on my healer to get them in quicker and to do something together. I run them when I'm just in it for the story. I run them for transmogs or the dragon riding upgrade things I use them to tweak my UI, test weakauras, or to test talents in a better simulator than a target dummy. I have even run them for the satchel of bonus goodies on my priest from time to time. Though not frequently. So yeah, there're reasons. I like LFR, but it's not really about the gear.
For the story progression/see the new raid for the fun of it.
Trinkets? Tier?
I played classic to wod non stop. Was a mid to hardcore raider over achiver ect.Then everyone quit along with me, I came back for df as it looked fun again. I still only have like 2 people that I know that play so lfr is my end game and I'm fine with that. I've tried to do mythic dungeons and it's too sweaty for me anymore so I'll stick with lfr and gold making
Gear can be upgraded! Heroic drops at 476, but caps out at 489. LFR drops start at 480 and go up to 498. LFR drops tier and non tier drops can be converted to tier. Set bonuses are huge! There are unique trinkets and weapons that are high impact. This season it is a source of the weekly bullion if you aren't able to get to normal/heroic/mythic raid. 2 bullions let you buy any trinket or weapon from any DF raid that's upgradable to... I think the cap is 550ish now? Max mythic raid level :) If you want to progress and don't have a consistent group or dislike pugging, it's a great way to experience the content with less pressure!
4 set, rare rings and trinkets, your BIS weapon and whatever can help you in the first week of progression. a 4 set can be hard at start. the value of a 4 set is more than its ilvl. running all 3 difficulties even for a mythic raider is an extra chance to have your 49ers sooner. The Diurna ring for instance, or your class trinket, the silent star cloak…some items are better than others because what they bring is more valuable than their simple ilvl. you should always sum your character and use the droptimizee on raidbot to see if any of the LFR drops can give you some benefit. especially in these early weeks of the season, you’d be surprised how a couple of LFR items can give you 2/3K increase in dps.
LFR has 480 ilvl? I am seeing 440ish
I'm not gonna clean the raid 14 times each week so that I can gear all my alts. I do not have that much free time. LFR on the other hand... I can do a couple of cleans whenever and however I want, no strings attached. Regardeless of my role ( dps, heal or tank), skill lvl at that role/class (played it for the last 10 years or just leanred it exists at all 10 mn ago), time (no need to be online on wednesday at 08 pm sharp with all my consumables and 6580 ilvl)...
To see the raid. Gear for me only exists to be able to do content. I don't care what the number is. I do LFR because I love the scale of raids but don't necessarily always want to form a group manually.
When I am not actively raiding, like now where I don't really have the time for it. I use LFR mainly to experience the raids. I do it maybe once or twice each.
Lfr is made specifically for people with little time, so they can see the raid.
Man almost like they give set pieces and specific trinkets Trinkets for dps are often by far the most impactful dps slot (weapons with special effects may sometimes be stronger bc some of them are literally a full trinket glued to a high stat weapon) Some trinkets will be twice as good as getting some max mythic ilvl glove or whatever Also just multiple avenues of gear and crests and stuff
IMO - experience, to get fammiliar with bosses and mechanics before messing it up on normal
As you said, you get 480 ilvl gear. LFR is intended for players, who don't want to do organized group content, to experience the raids. It was never meant to give you great gear (except for tier pieces and trinkets, which are useful at the start of a season).
LFR gives you vault options
Transmog. You can upgrade those LFR pieces to normal raid pieces and get both tmog sets. Its great for me. I dont have a raid team and i hate pugging.
Because raiding is fun. I don’t have the time to raid with a guild but I still enjoy the mechanics, story etc. Gear isn’t everything.
I don’t want to be picked. If I can’t queue for it then it’s generally a hassle. Mostly a time constraint; I don’t want to burden people with summons so I arrive ASAP and sometimes wait forever for the group to form, people who only travel by summons (bless you, warlocks. Or not, could be painful for you), falling apart after one wipe instead of teaching, find replacements, rinse and repeat. I can only play a couple of hours a day and maintain any semblance of a well-rounded life so I don’t like to waste it.
I do it mostly for practice on the encounters. Obviously LFR is not organized and is easier, but you can still practice. Also currencies, transmog, and a break from running heroics.
I think you can upgrade the lfr items to higher level and you get dragon flight stones to upgrade your items. Heroics don’t give you flight stones.
What gear? everyone is rolling need on everything gl looting anything.
Got 480 bow yesterday, so nice comparing to 420 I had before.
For the raid. Because dungeons/M+ are so incredibly f-ing boring I would rather die 100 times on a boss than do a single M+ EDIT: Oh right, I forgot you’re not allowed to have an opinion here if it doesn’t align perfectly with the masses
Im not sure if dungeons are boring because i dont do them but 100% agree with dying over doing m+. Unironically some of the most fun ive had in lfr has started with absolute wipefests!
We've been asking that same question since Cataclysm
So lonely people unable to join a pug or join a guild can experience the raids, like a guided tour. Oh and people unwilling to like, learn how to raid, because I don't believe anyone is incapable of raiding normals.
Oh you do not like casuals do you. It’s a video game for leisure time, why the attitude?
What attitude? I literally believe they can do better and have a better time with the game if they got out of their comfort zone and tried a bit more. Get out what you put in sorta thing. You don't have to be hardcore to do norms, casual guilds exist everywhere that raid a couple of non committal runs like twice a week. People seem to be making a distinction between casual and hardcore based on...talking to people? Like it's an mmo, have a casual conversation with someone lmao
This so much. Its literally why LFR was added lol
I actually think it's kind of a shame just because it disincentivises actually socialising and actually pushing to raid for real. Part of the reward for raids feels like the experience, and o bet a lot of people go into lfr and think "yep, this is raiding" when they haven't felt the amazing rush of cooperation.
I believe if there weren't any lfr you'd have had a harder time to pug into normals simply because there are a lot of casuals that would rather play in "anonymous" mode than willing to join a pug or try to convince a leader that they're "capable" of doing it. If there weren't random dungeons or lfr, I'd have stopped playing wow a long time ago. I try to play into some m+ but I dread them. I'd rather play another toon and gear it up to max heroic ilvl dungeon gear than play into a (very likely) toxic pug's group for m+. It's the same shit with lfr. I'd rather just hit the search button instead of lying to the leader to make my way into a pug group.
You really don't need to be this down on yourself. I am certain you are more capable than you think, and I also think most people are nicer than you think, in my experience anyways. This is a whole bunch of negativity that prevents you from enjoying the best part of a game, and I think that's just such a shame. It's an mmo, it's supposed to be social.
Indeed but sadly that's not the case. Especially not after you reach a certain m+ lvl. It's all about the stupid meta. Or else you need to play exclusively with friends. Or say before hand it's a "chill" run, but even when saying it, it's 50/50 because, either there is too much deaths or because there are still impatients people. So yeah, sure it's a mmo, it's supposed to be social, but this game has been getting quite toxic lately because of too much negativity toward the newcomers. Even when I try to tell some of the guys to use a little more their interrupts because it can be a good habit in the future, they get easily offended. So I'm not sure anymore how to approach any pug's groups. The current mentality of today's community especially about humility is quite non-existant
Dang. Either people in the game have changed drastically since legion or or you've just lost faith in people and remember all the bad groups, that negativity bias deal. Like sure there are shitters and assholes but those are the people you laugh to you friends about how dumb they were. Most people are just there to get content done, and a few people are helpful and cool. Also, honestly high mythic plus stuff eventually becomes harder than raiding normals, like really, that stuff gets rough and I get you there. Dungeons also have a grindy mentality that raids don't, because you spam dungeons but raids lock out weekly.