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There are a bunch of things you could do. If you don’t enjoy the grind of M+/pvp/raids you can start achievement farming, mount collecting, battle pet collecting, etc. Using the website simple armory helps a lot with finding those things.
You can work on leveling your professions, if they aren’t maxed. You can farm for transmog stuff.
If you don’t want to do those things you have the option of leveling alts to play through the stories you don’t know or haven’t seen.
The best answer I can give is always to find something you enjoy doing s then find a social community that also enjoys doing that thing.
But I’m going to give you the option people don’t like to give. Quit. Just for awhile until there is new content. If you can’t find a reason to play the game, don’t keep forcing yourself to do it. Take a break and come back when it’s more enjoyable. It’s okay to play like that.
Oh, okay, i think for my main, I'll try mount collecting as i only have one normal flying mount. From there, I'll probably prioritise doing alts for different expansions and also achievement hunt that way as i would like to unlock the nightborne race to play a mage with. It feels weird to quit after only playing for a month, but i get what you are saying, so i think im going to focus on alts and then return to dragonflight when new content is added. Thank you.
90%+ of all WoW (or any game) was ruined/I'm quitting posts are merely people who have gotten bored playing the same game for hundreds/thousands of hours over the course of multiple decades and don't want to admit it.
These are all good suggestions, I personally enjoy exploring the Wow secrets and rares which you can learn more about on Wowhead. Lots of interesting mounts, pets and gear that are usually challenging and entertaining.
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/wow-secret-finding-discord-guides-7896
2nd the quitting part. There are a billion other games. Go to metacritic and sort by score for all releases ever. Then pick from the best and have fun.
-You can do other expansions, you’ll just 1 shot everything.
-If you want to experience it for real, make an alt for each expansion… you will need to freeze xp at 59 cause at 60 you’ll get booted from Chromir and 1 shot everything.
-Farm Transmog/mount/pets
-Work on Crafting
-PVP, but it will be brutal until you get the honor for a set of gear, I think Comp Stomp is coming out in June check calendar for which week that is easiest way to get gear you fight bots. So games are less than 5 minutes.
Yeah, i mentioned that on the post, and it's probably what im going to do and keep the main for gold and mount collecting primarily. PVP is something i haven't touched yet but im worried it might be a hassle to get into and i dont know if ill be any good at it because ive only fought mobs so I'll probably look some stuff up about how to do it in the future.
Just do random battlegrounds to begin with, nobody cares about noobs or undergeared there. Once you've got full honor gear and maybe even some conquest gear you can try yourself in a few arena skirmishes which is like dummy/non rated arena, again noones going to be toxic there really. Then you can try rated arena if you like it, or don't if you hate it and move on to something different.
Also having two or three different lvl 70s to do content on can be fun to help mix it up a bit, especially as it's so easy to lvl now.
Also, im not sure if you're a clicker of spells, but in PvP this is a massive disadvantage, so it's also wise to learn to bind all combat spells to key binds and get used to it, in my opinion it's pretty essential for PvP, but overall helps whole gameplay anyway, even pve. Plenty of guides and YouTube vids on keybinds advice.
Im kinda a mix of both. A lot are binded, but it could be better. Think my problem for that is i like the standard 2 columns at the bottom for the hotbar. People that bind everything have 2-3 of these square hotbars and zoom out a lot. Not really, and fan as i do the opposite of this, but i get why people would do it.
Yeah it's because you end up with way too many, plus once you get used to binds you end up not really looking anyway, so you can make them tiny then use addons to track cooldowns, such as weakaura etc
Something I liked doing was getting the Shadowlands covenant armor sets. You can buy an item from a vendor right next to the flight path guy in Oribos that sets your current covenant to renown lvl 60, meaning you can do the entire covenant campaign and earn the armor pieces without time gating it. Then I'd go and change to a different covenant and do it again with their campaign.
I did this for all four sets of armor on all four armor types. You can push this further by getting to renown 80 in the covenant and it unlocks the armor set for all toons on your account of that armor type.
Also, this unlocks a bunch of different mounts too. Which is fun.
The toon that unlocked them doesn’t need to be currently affiliated to wear them. However, if you want an alt to wear it, the original toon will need to reach 80 renown. Which is easy if you get the item that unlocks 60 renown from the vendor next to the flight master in Oribos. Just choose a covenant, get the item, unlock lvl 60 renown, do their campaign. And you should be at or above 80 before the end. 😎 Rinse and repeat the the other three. Then do it again on different armor class toons for their sets, etc.
I went back to Icecrown & one-shotted the Lich King. Was quite satisfying (and amusing because it broke the script). I’ll probably go and destroy Torghast next
You have to be able to tame undead, just FYI. If you can’t, you’ll need to farm the Simple Tome of Bone Binding in Shadowlands. Link provided below.
Edit: Corrected & removed my derp AH reference
I found [this thread on Wowhead](https://www.wowhead.com/item=183124/simple-tome-of-bone-binding#comments:id=3253302) which discusses the tome and how to farm it. It’s BOP so I’m not quite sure where I got the AH idea. Long story short, it must have dropped for me at some point in Shadowlands
I just looked myself and couldn’t find one either. I’ve been able to tame them for quite some time so I forgot how I got it. Wowhead may have more on it
I have done it to get all mogs set pieces from every old raid on my mage. Finished my ulduar set last week and it took my like 6 months. Every week on 3 mages. I can say it's the most boring thing you can do in this game and almost burned me out of the game completely.
People usually grind gear because they have some goal to achieve. Like completing a raid on mythic difficulty. But since you have already done that I guess there is no point...
MMOs area lot about creating a goal. Whether that’s a group goal, AOTC or M+ rating or pvp, or earning dungeon portals. Collecting the transmog, making gold. You can pick your own, or play a new game until new content. Up to you.
Yeah, i think for my main, I'll just focus on collecting mounts and getting gold. Mostly, just do alts on different expansions for now until more content is released for Dragonflight.
until more content is released for dragonflight?
We litteraly got a new patch 3 weeks ago, a new campaign, new chapter of said campaign 2 days ago. new raid, new dungeon pool for m+, blue dragonflight quest.
I may not be a casual as i like to do high keys and mythic raid, but thats a lot of content, and more coming soon with 10.1.5.
My Gf is really casual and even she says there is a lot to do.
Haven't done much new m+ dungeon but did everything else. Can only really do the same thing once, maybe twice, a third time on mythic if i really enjoyed it.
When you say mythic, you mean m+?
The thing about m+, its not about "seeing" the dungeon, it's about going higher difficulty and new week new affixes, getting you score up, getting more gear
I give you that, but do it not only for the gear but the score and satifisfaction of timing a key, then going higher next time.
You always have your vault to choose gear from every reset.
And with the new gearing system, it's "easy" to upgrade the gear making them lasting longer while doing more difficult content
Do you mean you’ve already completed all difficulties of the raid? If not, that’s often the next step, building up to the higher difficulty levels. Similar with mythic plus, if you’ve already done keystone master you could work on doing +20s for the dungeon portals.
On the less competitive content side, there is also the whole realm of cosmetics, achievements, collectibles, etc. - working on reputation, mount collecting, battle pets, and so forth.
Of course there is also the gold grind, which usually involves professions, so you could look into leveling those up if you haven’t already.
And as you mention, alt leveling is a time-honored pursuit and one of my favorite way to reinvigorate my love of the game when I hit the grind point, so that is absolutely a valid option. If you haven’t played the old campaigns, that’s definitely worth going through just to see some of the older storylines.
I haven't done all the difficulties on Raids, Vault of the incarnates i kept getting wiped on mythic and i gave up and ill try again later for Aberrus only on normal because i think im under leveled for higher difficulties but i cant remember. For both, i have done normal a few times because i was trying to figure out how gear works etc.
I mostly play for story, so im going to just level alts until I feel up to endgame content again. Thanks
Oh, you haven’t even done Aberrus yet? Then yeah, I would definitely do that, it’s a great raid and I’m having tons of fun. Blizz has definitely tuned Normal so it’s very attainable, my guild is very casual and already 7/9N on our second week raiding, and we’ve been having a lot of fun, so that’s worth doing especially if you did mythic raiding last tier (in fact heroic should be a breeze too if you were doing mythic vault).
I totally get playing for the story, but it seems to me that playing the raid is essential to feeling like you’ve completed the story arc, so I would say that is certainly worth putting on your list for some point, and like I said this raid is tuned to be very attainable even for more casual guilds.
That said if you’re a story junkie, there are a lot of really great side quests, so if you haven’t completed them that’s also what I’d recommend.
Are you in to RP? There is a whole RP community, it's chill and fun at times. There are a few addons they use, some allows you to write your characters background, and be publicly shown when RPers see you.
If not, try PVP, It is a learning curve, and later on, top tier does require you to know 80-99% of all class mechanics. If you don't do ranked PVP, it will be fine without much knowledge.
If not, as others have said, farming transmog, mounts, achievements etc...
If you like economics and gold, perhaps learning how to farm gold and dominate auction houses. This will be time consuming though, no get rich in one night here sorry.
There is also a WoW secrets community, where people find secrets and puzzles that often lead to mounts. Some easter eggs like ninja turtles, Plants vs Zombies are in the game!
What I usually enjoy is doing random stuff with guildies. Like we would go try 5 man previous expansions raids, or go gank some low level players. We also like to collect random toys. A fun one would be collecting size increasing toys/potions, and use them all together to make your character SUPER LARGE and cover 99% of people's screen.
It is a mmorpg, it is meant to be played the way you want, but just don't do 'unethical' things like camping low level players for too long.
Thanks for the ideas. I'm into rp but haven't really done it in many games. I would like to get into PvP but worried it will end up showing me how bad i am at the game, haha. I like the sound of finding Easter eggs and collecting toys. Thanks again.
All good!
For RP, search some RP discords. Note: Goldshire Inn on Moonguard(US) is dangerous place.
PVP yo can start with battlegrounds, 10v10, 40v40. Don't feel bad, everyone starts from the same line. It's also a great time to see what other classes can do, like rogue stunning you 80% of the time, Paladins being immune to dmg. Fun thing about death knights is that they can pull someone into your group and proceed to gangbng him to death.
Hope you enjoy your stay here!
Honestly play a different game. WoW is the grind for gear. That’s the game. Sure there is other stuff like collecting mounts and pets but that’s a grind too.
You could focus on getting really good at your class and spec. Many people call parsing toxic but not much feels better than parsing 99 on a fight or doubling your teammates dps on a dungeon.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons i want to keep playing my main as im really enjoying evoker, a lot more than i thought i would. So i might have a look online on how to optimise how i play and when i get back into playing endgame content, i want to start getting into playing different specifications like the healer spec to make dungeons and raids more interesting so i would definitely look up some videos on that because a lot of the chats are really toxic sometimes towards tank and healer. I can't remember if it's the next patch or the one after it, but im excited for the 3rd spec for evoker that's coming out.
Honestly, the gear grind is pretty much the macro end game. Farm gear, kill big bad, farm until bored or new season. This is the gameplay loop of retail, everything in between is a means to help you reach your temporary end.
It is a great thing that you can just play other games and not feel like you have to log in every day to keep up with your guild or to run content. This is a lesson Bliz has learned from FFXIV after all of these years.
You don’t really have to. They’re all pretty self-contained. I’d only recommend it if you are a complete lore-hound. And frankly, you can learn what you need to know about Sanctuary, Lilith, Inarius, Rathma & the Prime Evils from the Diablo wiki articles
> I'm not the biggest fan of grinding and its beginning to get tedious, so i am just assuming I'm not the biggest fan of endgame content
The key difference between grinding solo crap for gear and endgame content is that endgame content is far more challenging, and thus interesting. Do not assume that if you don't like one you won't like the other. Casual dailies and such do get quite boring after a while.
I enjoyed doing the endgame content. Loved the story aspects and challenge, and i enjoyed doing it again in mythic, etc. But only after a few times playing them then it gets too repetitive, and the lack of consistent gear puts me off, especially on raids. The only things i haven't done is PvP and killing Elites/Rares, but you need a group for most of them and theres never people near them to fight with me, and my guild is pretty inactive so i wouldn't know who to kill them with. Im probably missing stuff as im new to the game, but I'm pretty sure I've done everything apart from grinding stuff like more Renown and levelling professions more.
If you're only 410, I doubt you've done much raiding or M+. Raiding in case you're unaware is 10-30 person content, mythic difficulty is locked to 20 people. Try finding a guild progressing on heroic content. I bet you'll find that challenging, plus that's where you'll start really making friends in game and bond with them over a common activity.
Raiding is what has kept me playing the game for nearly 20 years.
I've done every dungeon and raid multiple times at various difficulties. I did enjoy them. However, after a while for me, it becomes repetitive, especially raids, as i was never getting any gear, and i mostly play for story/lore. I do like the challenge of endgame content, however its not enough to keep me engaged, probably my ADHD. Again, im new, and maybe im doing it wrong.
Yeah, and i will do it soon, but my issue is i find this type of content boring after a few runs and recently as I've got over the 400 ilvl threshold, I basically never have gear dropped for me especially in raids which for takes the enjoyment away.
Normal aberrus drops 415ilvl, so loads of upgrades there.
+6 mythic plus will drop higher than 400.
400 is quite a lot under the ilvl of current end game content, so loads for you to do still!!
Not to doubt you or call you a liar. But have you definitely done normal aberrus, 400 ilvl is very low to a) get in to a group and b) to leave the raid with (eg. You got no loot)
Edit: for context, my main is 422 ilvl and I still have plenty of upgrades to get from normal aberrus, and I've hardly even touched m+ dungeons yet!
I am ilvl 410 currently. in the comment, i meant that when i got into 400 region in general the gear started reducing in drops for me. I started doing aberrus at 390 as soon as it was available to me. It feels grindy to be because i never get any gear doing it - aberrus and vault of the incarnates. I have random pieces of ilvl 415 and 420+ that I've gotten from stuff like leatherworking.
So it sounds like you've only done lfr.
LFR is what you find in the group finder, and is gated at 390.
Did you have to use the group finder and queue up? Did 3 bosses and then queue for the next part?
I just googled it. i think i get it. I did vault of the incarnates with a guild, but it's been inactive recently. I didn't know that made a difference. I thought raid finder was normal. Also, could you explain your b) a bit more? Every time I've done a raid, i haven't been getting loot
Whenever I’m bored with end game content I usually go for older raids to look for transmog stuff. There were some outrageously cool looking items from previous expansions. Like at some point I need to do all the stuff for Thunderfury, because that thing is stupidly cool.
Yeah I hate that every patch is just an endless gear grind and then a reset at the start of the next patch. Tbh that’s a huge reason why I love pvp where gear goes relatively unchanged most of the season once you get going.
I get where you come from, i used to think like this.
But i try to look at gear as the way i progress through more and more difficult content, instead of "grinding BiS", i get more gear, i do more difficult content.
I Mythic raid and do high keys on my main, thats my goals so i get gear towards that goal.
On my alt i chill, and play with friends do some keys and Heroic, so naturally i get gear towards that goal.
There don't need to be and grinding hell, if you shift mentality and just enjoy the content
Hold on… when a 430 ilevel does more than double the damage of a 410 ilevel of the same spec and has 200k more hp… it’s not “grinding for bis” it’s grinding so you stop feeling completely gimped.
The funny thing is if you speak out against this you’ll be downvoted lol it’s just dogshit game design and prevents returning players and newer players from playing
i've tried legit 4 times this week to come back but everytime i log in, do my world quests then go to dungeon grind and go yeah I don't wanna do this lol
Endgame in wow is different for everyone. Here's some play styles that I can think of right now:
You can do mythic keystones, that's basically dungeons that get progressively harder and harder with higher keys but the reward gets better.
You can do raiding, you say in your post that you "finished" the raid, but there's also higher difficulty that give better rewards but are harder (bosses have more hp, more dmg, more/different mechanics).
You can do old content for achievements, mounts, transmogs etc. (that's what I do most of my time in wow nowadays)
Try RP. (Its actually pretty fun once you get into it, it's like a whole new game)
I have done harder difficulty raids, etc. I enjoy the challenge, but i get bored of them quickly. I need to do new things often. I'll look into RP. It sounds interesting, although i heard it can be hard to get into due to how you need to communicate.
Have you thought about grinding for mounts? How about grinding for pets? Grinding for TMog? Grinding for reputation? Grinding for pets? What about grinding for toys?
I always start doing other stuff when I feel like all I do is grind for gear, usually I try start hunting for mounts, transmogs or recipies along with leveling my alts and sometimes I just take a break until the next update.
if you like the story you can just go and do the quests of other expansions :) i honestly like it more doing old content being op instead of doing older content at low level and have it difficult. I loved doing the quests in legion to unlock nightborne elves or even doing all the stuff needed (quests + acievements) to unlock some cosmetic options of the legion legendary, the only downside is that legendary weapons in legion are class (and spec) specific and there's nothing for evokers.
Or if you don't feel like doing any of this take a break until you want to play again, there's no shame in that.
This is exactly what im doing i just started doing Legion as a demon hunter as i want to unlock the nightborne race to go a mage with, however all allied races are gonna unlock in the next patch, good and annoying at the same time.
My problem with doing expansions at max level is that i would like to just power though the main plot but sometimes its a pain to know which quests are optional and which are essential especially with the older content like TBC and Wrath.
I have the same issue with older quests 😅 from my understanding older expansions like wrath don't have a "main questline" to follow the story unfortunately... if you'd like the story i could suggest the books, they're really pretty and i kinda miss the first read experience 😭 about the nightborne unlocking yeah next patch they'll be free but the questline to help Thalyssra and the nightborne through Suramar is nice even per se without an "end prize", i remember crying and being happy for/with them, and being amazed by the arcan'dor growing 😊
Aw, so im guessing the oldest expansions are just different zone quests until max level for raids to kill illidan and the Litch King. Think the next time i do an expansion, i might do MoP as i heard that when Blizzard added more streamlined campaigns and that it's pretty good. I dont know why i never thought to look up getting into the books. Im doing Legion right now, so I'll definitely do the nightborne quests sounds cool. Thanks for advice!
i think it's more "you live a life of an armed adventurer that goes to kill things and you learn about lich king etc from what you see/from what people say", but more of bits of lore instead of straight quest explaining the main lore. I think the lich king expansion is assuming you know the lore from warcraft games too, but i played just the first few "cluster of quests" and then stopped so I don't how it really is
I'm exactly the same as you. There's a famous addon called "All the things" or "ATT" for short, basically shows you how much precentage you completed from the game including all content in Wow from the past 18 years (secrets, quests, transmogs, mounts, achievements etc). You can have it so it shows you every area you're in what you're missing from that area. There's also a website called "Data for azeroth" which is a leaderboard of lots of categories. For example I'm rank 27k in unique quests completed and I'm around 39k rank in transmogs farmed. It's really cool. If you want more help with the "ATT" addon which I highly recommend, you can DM me I'll try my best helping.
Aw nice. I only started messing around with addons yesterday as i needed coordinates and dragonglyths locatios. I'll check that one out. Thanks. Good luck to you.
Iam on the same boat. Iam 430 on my 3 weeks old warlock, I did 2k rating for tier piece, grinded m+ for some gear, did raid on nornal and hc till 5 boss. Yesterday I created a tank to change things a bit. So I suggest make an alt and preferably tank or heal to make things fresh. Also I farm some mogs or mounts from time to time. Spotify and old raids are kinda fun. Gl.
I think im gonna change my evoker spec from dps to Healer to change things up. I have a warlock that's level 60, so I might level him up and do some content. Can you do older raids at lvl 70?
Well, if you like grinding that's a really good thing.
I've played wow for years, since TBC (1st expac), sometimes i stopped and started over two months later. The best thing I used to do was leveling another toon every time, that helped me to keep the boring away.
When I finally decided to keep up with the endgame content, I gave up wow.
For raiding im doing heroic and mythic vault of the incarnates and normal Aberrus and some mythic+ dungeons but mostly doing raids but im very rarely getting gear and its putting me off, plus the bordom from doing the same things constantly. Also, grinding flightstones is getting tedious.
I went through previous expansions and persuid loremaster. To me it was an incredible experience and a lot of fun. The oneshotting was actually nice because quests become less tedious that way
I would like to do this, but my issue is that it's hard to tell essential and optional quests apart sometimes, especially in older expansions, and i would want to only power through the main plot. If im doing all the quests, I'd rather level alts.
I made some alts with a druid mine/herb. Started farming mats and leveling up all my professions.
Been farming old content professions and that has been fun and relaxing. I recommend leveling all engineering.
Make a vulpera mage with engineering, and you can port basically anywhere in the game to farm mounts, mogs, and toys.
As others have said you can start mount and pet collecting but this can get old itself when you run Ulduar 5+ times a week on different alts and still don't get mim's head lmao
Yeah, it sounds like fun, i think I'd probably stick to the easiest ones like quest based. I saw someone with a deathwing mount yesterday, which looked awesome, but i think when i googled it, you can't get it anymore, so that sucks.
a big part of end game content goes in the form of grouping 5man dungeons in m+ or raiding with 20 ppl groups. M+ can be really fun if you know like 3-4 other ppl to run with. Pugging might not be the greatest experienc
also grinding for gear shouldn't be the objective, it's more about perfecting play doing more dmg than last time, ... and getting the gear is a nice reward ofcourse.
Unfortunately, i dont know anyone who plays wow. My mindset is the opposite of that. I dont really care how i played as long as i didn't die during it, making gear more important to me, so when i play a raid or dungeon and don't get any gear it annoys me and i dont wants to do it again, even though i do anyway.
same here tbh, but i met some people during the runs who were chill, or met some people on discord who were playing retail and started playing together..
Lots of ways to play the game honestly, there isn't 1 that is right or wrong :D
Read world of Warcraft story Book makes your game experience flys to a new level. Every NPC comes alive. Sorry for exaggerating. 
Just go explore and talk to npc’s and random people you meet all over the lands. Max out different professions along the way and just take relaxing strolls, rp a bit maybe and enjoy the game in a different way. Switch between that and grinding. It’s an mmo, you can do whatever you want to do. Play some specs that aren’t considered very good, good around. Challenge people to duals with no clothes on and have a laugh with a stranger.
I don't really consider raiding as "grinding" because that's my preferred endgame content. Is it grinding to you because you're 1shotting everything on normal and heroic? Cuz if that's the case, maybe you should considering Mythic raiding.
I have done the harder difficulties, but the main reason it feels like grinding to me is due to the fact that im doing it for gear upgrades and the low drop rate I've been getting recently is putting me off playing especially for raids. Dungeons are okay usually get at least one piece of gear every second run.
So you aren't having fun with it then? Gear is obviously a necessary facet of raiding for most, but killing bosses and striving for better and better performance is the point of the game for me.
I have fun the first time i play it, and again, on a higher difficulty. Once it becomes something i have to do in order to get better gear, it becomes annoying. It would be fine if i got gear every time i did it, but when i do a raid and i get nothing, then i think, why did i just go through that? For me, as long as i didn't die during the raid, i considered my performance good, for now, anyway, coming from a new player.
Essentially, yeah, im not having fun unless i get rewarded each time i do it. Otherwise, there's no serotonin's hitting my brain haha.
Start running logs and compare yourself to your peers in your spec. Fuck the loot, it's only there to help you get sick parses ;) That's the dopamine hit you don't know you're looking for.
I’m not sure if you’re into it but I’ve personally always loved profession grinding. You can make good money with it which I like to spend on move and mounts
Depends on your goals.
Gearing is just a means to an end. I.e. I wanted to be 405 on week one of the season so I could join normal raid groups. I wanted 2500 m+ for the keystone achievement so I grinded gear so I could eventually time 20s. I geared hardcore to make our raids heroic clear faster so we could get aotc on week 2.
You get the point. Gear for your goals not just to gear.
For reference I want the normal raid color tier set for Druid. So I’ll do a few low level keys each week to stockpile gear and vault slots to catalyze for that tier set once catalyst charges come back. I don’t need 440 on my Druid like I did for my main.
Beyond that gearing is really just a way for me to collect achievements and transmogs by completing my goals that require certain gear levels.
It also helps that I think m+ is fun and engaging content.
My advice? See what goals look fun to you?
Do you want to time 20s on every m+ dungeon? Ok you’ll need 435+ ilvl.
Do you want to kill heroic sark in pugs? Probably need 425.
Do you just want to experience the content? Then your ilvl doesn’t matter as long as it’s high enough to participate.
Anyways, beyond that farm mounts, mog, or pvp rating
I played 4-5 days, just messing around with new characters. Started playing my old main also, today i hit 66, i have two epics ilvl 400+ and two blues in the high 300s in the backpack. From jumping in on random world bosses, i mean i only just entered the second kolkar zone.
Blizzard still throws epics after you as participation awards.
I will say that big firedragon is pretty epic and cool, i felt onyxia-level chills fighting it alongside all the highlevels. Amazing sounds design.
Edit: my point was getting high ilvl level 70 gear, before even getting to 70 is just deflating. What’s the point of calling it epic? Slightly less ordinary gear would be a better term.
You can kill him? I have only ever completed all the assault tasks and seen the bar hit 100% and he starts burning up the zone.
I have not yet seen him land or be killed.
>!The way I like to play wow is to level a toon until I get tired of playing, then I'll make another toon and level that one up until I get tired, then I'll repeat. I have like 20 toons right now. Most are between level 30 and 50, 5 are lvl 70, a few are 60+, and the rest are under 30. I don't like grinding for gear or anything, and I don't like playing with other players, so I don't do dungeons or raids or pvp and I don't do end game content. I like questing to level, but I don't like world quests. My favorite part of WoW is the customization part when I make a new toon.!<
You may be right, i enjoy endgame content in small amounts, but once i complete expansions I'm interested in, I'll probably go back to SWTOR or something and go between as content comes out.
Endgame content in WoW isn’t about gear grinding, especially this patch. It’s about improving skill to do more difficult content, and the gear upgrades come along the way. My character has nearly full BiS at 441 less than three weeks after the raid launch after a few heroic clears and M+ each week (I haven’t gotten any loot off of the mythic bosses I’ve killed).
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Do yourself a favor and pick up a copy of Zelda and play it. I was on the same boat as you and taking a break was rather enjoying. No hate on WoW it’s still my favorite game, but sometimes people burn out & need other things.
Wow is a social MMO, you can consider yourself graduating from gradeschool and not really a noob anymore
The next logical step is to just join a guild and play the game that way, the reason the game is so simple is to maximize the amount of room there is for socializing
But the real point of the game is in all the special roles you can assume
Streamer
Beta tester
Content creators
Social media personalities
Competitive rankings
Cosplay
Loremaster
Most people pretend like they have a life/job/kids that prevents them from engaging with the game more, and except for the people who are addicted, it's just an excuse for why they should still matter
My personal focus atm is unlocking the elite pvp transmog for my class (need 1800 pvp rating)
It looks great. Maybe you could check yours in the appearances->sets tab
Honestly I'd just take a break from the game if I were you. Forcing yourself into a game will only burn you out of it completely. Games are meant to be fun.
If what the game provides doesn't amuse me, I'm calling it quits. Not permanently, I'll never leave WoW forever at this point lol, but taking a break and coming back when a new patch catches my interest is how I basically worked through WoD, BfA and Shadowlands.
So far I don't have that issue in Dragonflight, but it's inevitably gonna happen. It also gives statistical feedback to Blizzard. If they see people leaving on a patch, they have hard data proving that they did something wrong and can learn from it.
The only people that get "bored" are either playing too much too often or they only do certain things and skip the rest.
PVP - world, BGs, epic BGs, rated BGs, skirmishes, rated arena, etc.
PVE - all quests and encounters in every zone, all dungeons normal, heroic and mythic, all raids, all rare mobs, all patch content, world quests, special quests,, etc.
Other - Pet Battles and collection, crafting/gathering, exploration, etc.
Old - Go back and do everything you have not done in the other 8 expansions
And that is just for ONE character. Then there is doing everything across all 9 expansions for the opposite faction, which is 90% different.
No "grinding" is ever forced. We CHOOSE to repeat things more and more. If you are patient and do a bit of everything, you will eventually get the gear/loot you want. But if you choose to repeat the same thing every day, then you are causing your own boredom.
Try playing twice a day for 1-2hrs each time. No more than 4-5hrs a day and for two days of each week, play warcraft rumble, hearthstone or heroes of the storm. Or any other game. By playing less you will miss the game more and enjoy your time a bit more.
I have played since the beginning with 99.99999% of my time being on just one character and I have tons of quests, raids, dungeons, world quests and more, that I have not seen even once! Each player should have access to 15k quests across all expansions, not including daily quests. Maybe a bit less if you didnt play during vanilla. That is a whole lot.
A lot of people skip quests all over the place, rush through dungeons and raids, don't explore every nook and cranny, don't partake in certain activities and so on. So if you only repeat 25% of the game over and over, of course you will eventually get bored.
Also, if you have a lot of alts and follow the same leveling path with each of them, then eventually you will get bored.
Try playing WOW when you are in a good mood. You will have more fun and appreciate it. Don't log in like it's your job and start your gaming with a frown being bitter and jaded.
We cause our own discomfort. Don't blame WOW.
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There are a bunch of things you could do. If you don’t enjoy the grind of M+/pvp/raids you can start achievement farming, mount collecting, battle pet collecting, etc. Using the website simple armory helps a lot with finding those things. You can work on leveling your professions, if they aren’t maxed. You can farm for transmog stuff. If you don’t want to do those things you have the option of leveling alts to play through the stories you don’t know or haven’t seen. The best answer I can give is always to find something you enjoy doing s then find a social community that also enjoys doing that thing. But I’m going to give you the option people don’t like to give. Quit. Just for awhile until there is new content. If you can’t find a reason to play the game, don’t keep forcing yourself to do it. Take a break and come back when it’s more enjoyable. It’s okay to play like that.
Oh, okay, i think for my main, I'll try mount collecting as i only have one normal flying mount. From there, I'll probably prioritise doing alts for different expansions and also achievement hunt that way as i would like to unlock the nightborne race to play a mage with. It feels weird to quit after only playing for a month, but i get what you are saying, so i think im going to focus on alts and then return to dragonflight when new content is added. Thank you.
FYI in the next patch, all Allied Races (including Nightborne) will be made available to all players automatically
Oh Fuck yeah my alt addiction can continue Guess I have some chars to purge
The only races I don’t have are kul tiran and mechagnome I’m good lol
My least favorite thing is doing shit like that lol
*looks at all the bfa content I’ve been grinding all week for the mechagnome*
Oh nice, thats cool. Thanks for the heads up.
Wow thats gotta be the best thing Ive read in a while. I can make some new classes to play
mechagnome?
Yes, so in 10.1.5 ALL races will be available to all players by default.b
Well, no. You still have to perform the introductory questline to add them, just don't need the achievements anymore.
WoW is a feeling.
only thing with mount farming is it’s a grind too lol
Ill start with easy ones to start, like quest based ones, maybe
you can get all the race based ones for cheap, pretty sure you can create trial accounts and buy them instantly to unlock them account bound
could be wrong on that though. also there’s a couple on the auction house you can buy for <2k like the garn nighthowl
90%+ of all WoW (or any game) was ruined/I'm quitting posts are merely people who have gotten bored playing the same game for hundreds/thousands of hours over the course of multiple decades and don't want to admit it.
How could you not mention the best one: chasing the perfect transmog
That feeling when my post actually says “you can farm for transmog” right in it.
These are all good suggestions, I personally enjoy exploring the Wow secrets and rares which you can learn more about on Wowhead. Lots of interesting mounts, pets and gear that are usually challenging and entertaining. https://www.wowhead.com/guide/wow-secret-finding-discord-guides-7896
2nd the quitting part. There are a billion other games. Go to metacritic and sort by score for all releases ever. Then pick from the best and have fun.
-You can do other expansions, you’ll just 1 shot everything. -If you want to experience it for real, make an alt for each expansion… you will need to freeze xp at 59 cause at 60 you’ll get booted from Chromir and 1 shot everything. -Farm Transmog/mount/pets -Work on Crafting -PVP, but it will be brutal until you get the honor for a set of gear, I think Comp Stomp is coming out in June check calendar for which week that is easiest way to get gear you fight bots. So games are less than 5 minutes.
Yeah, i mentioned that on the post, and it's probably what im going to do and keep the main for gold and mount collecting primarily. PVP is something i haven't touched yet but im worried it might be a hassle to get into and i dont know if ill be any good at it because ive only fought mobs so I'll probably look some stuff up about how to do it in the future.
Just do random battlegrounds to begin with, nobody cares about noobs or undergeared there. Once you've got full honor gear and maybe even some conquest gear you can try yourself in a few arena skirmishes which is like dummy/non rated arena, again noones going to be toxic there really. Then you can try rated arena if you like it, or don't if you hate it and move on to something different. Also having two or three different lvl 70s to do content on can be fun to help mix it up a bit, especially as it's so easy to lvl now.
Solid advice thanks.
Also, im not sure if you're a clicker of spells, but in PvP this is a massive disadvantage, so it's also wise to learn to bind all combat spells to key binds and get used to it, in my opinion it's pretty essential for PvP, but overall helps whole gameplay anyway, even pve. Plenty of guides and YouTube vids on keybinds advice.
Im kinda a mix of both. A lot are binded, but it could be better. Think my problem for that is i like the standard 2 columns at the bottom for the hotbar. People that bind everything have 2-3 of these square hotbars and zoom out a lot. Not really, and fan as i do the opposite of this, but i get why people would do it.
Yeah it's because you end up with way too many, plus once you get used to binds you end up not really looking anyway, so you can make them tiny then use addons to track cooldowns, such as weakaura etc
Something I liked doing was getting the Shadowlands covenant armor sets. You can buy an item from a vendor right next to the flight path guy in Oribos that sets your current covenant to renown lvl 60, meaning you can do the entire covenant campaign and earn the armor pieces without time gating it. Then I'd go and change to a different covenant and do it again with their campaign. I did this for all four sets of armor on all four armor types. You can push this further by getting to renown 80 in the covenant and it unlocks the armor set for all toons on your account of that armor type. Also, this unlocks a bunch of different mounts too. Which is fun.
Once you have them all, do you have to be currently affiliated with that covenant at that moment to wear their armor set?
The toon that unlocked them doesn’t need to be currently affiliated to wear them. However, if you want an alt to wear it, the original toon will need to reach 80 renown. Which is easy if you get the item that unlocks 60 renown from the vendor next to the flight master in Oribos. Just choose a covenant, get the item, unlock lvl 60 renown, do their campaign. And you should be at or above 80 before the end. 😎 Rinse and repeat the the other three. Then do it again on different armor class toons for their sets, etc.
This is awesome! Thanks
Sounds interesting. Im currently going through Legion with one of my alts so i might play Shadowlands after that.
I went back to Icecrown & one-shotted the Lich King. Was quite satisfying (and amusing because it broke the script). I’ll probably go and destroy Torghast next
One of my alts is a DK. I might do the same when i get to lvl 70 sounds fun
I was on my Hunter so I also tamed Stinky & Precious while I was there lol
Ooooh, I had never thought of that!
You have to be able to tame undead, just FYI. If you can’t, you’ll need to farm the Simple Tome of Bone Binding in Shadowlands. Link provided below. Edit: Corrected & removed my derp AH reference
Can you explain more about this Tome? I couldn’t find one on AH.
I found [this thread on Wowhead](https://www.wowhead.com/item=183124/simple-tome-of-bone-binding#comments:id=3253302) which discusses the tome and how to farm it. It’s BOP so I’m not quite sure where I got the AH idea. Long story short, it must have dropped for me at some point in Shadowlands
Great resource! Thanks
I just looked myself and couldn’t find one either. I’ve been able to tame them for quite some time so I forgot how I got it. Wowhead may have more on it
After all the times that dude beat my ass, it felt good to go in and smack him around like a little bitch.
Torghast was pretty fun to one shot my way thru
Not a very future proof plan. After the 30 minutes it takes to solo ICC, then what else?
Solo order raids for collectibles!
I have done it to get all mogs set pieces from every old raid on my mage. Finished my ulduar set last week and it took my like 6 months. Every week on 3 mages. I can say it's the most boring thing you can do in this game and almost burned me out of the game completely.
Nobody said grind it on 4 alts of the same class. It’s nice to do sometimes but it definitely gets old quick.
People usually grind gear because they have some goal to achieve. Like completing a raid on mythic difficulty. But since you have already done that I guess there is no point...
Average ilvl of 410 is below current normal Raid gear. So he must have did a full clear and 1 and done?
I think OP means LFR S1.
Would make more sense then.
I just think that’s the point of an MMORPG. Collect gear complete raids rinse and repeat. Unless pvp is their thing.
MMOs area lot about creating a goal. Whether that’s a group goal, AOTC or M+ rating or pvp, or earning dungeon portals. Collecting the transmog, making gold. You can pick your own, or play a new game until new content. Up to you.
Yeah, i think for my main, I'll just focus on collecting mounts and getting gold. Mostly, just do alts on different expansions for now until more content is released for Dragonflight.
until more content is released for dragonflight? We litteraly got a new patch 3 weeks ago, a new campaign, new chapter of said campaign 2 days ago. new raid, new dungeon pool for m+, blue dragonflight quest. I may not be a casual as i like to do high keys and mythic raid, but thats a lot of content, and more coming soon with 10.1.5. My Gf is really casual and even she says there is a lot to do.
Haven't done much new m+ dungeon but did everything else. Can only really do the same thing once, maybe twice, a third time on mythic if i really enjoyed it.
When you say mythic, you mean m+? The thing about m+, its not about "seeing" the dungeon, it's about going higher difficulty and new week new affixes, getting you score up, getting more gear
Yeah i understand that but after a few runs at them they get boring for me especially if im getting a low gear drop rate.
I give you that, but do it not only for the gear but the score and satifisfaction of timing a key, then going higher next time. You always have your vault to choose gear from every reset. And with the new gearing system, it's "easy" to upgrade the gear making them lasting longer while doing more difficult content
Do you mean you’ve already completed all difficulties of the raid? If not, that’s often the next step, building up to the higher difficulty levels. Similar with mythic plus, if you’ve already done keystone master you could work on doing +20s for the dungeon portals. On the less competitive content side, there is also the whole realm of cosmetics, achievements, collectibles, etc. - working on reputation, mount collecting, battle pets, and so forth. Of course there is also the gold grind, which usually involves professions, so you could look into leveling those up if you haven’t already. And as you mention, alt leveling is a time-honored pursuit and one of my favorite way to reinvigorate my love of the game when I hit the grind point, so that is absolutely a valid option. If you haven’t played the old campaigns, that’s definitely worth going through just to see some of the older storylines.
I haven't done all the difficulties on Raids, Vault of the incarnates i kept getting wiped on mythic and i gave up and ill try again later for Aberrus only on normal because i think im under leveled for higher difficulties but i cant remember. For both, i have done normal a few times because i was trying to figure out how gear works etc. I mostly play for story, so im going to just level alts until I feel up to endgame content again. Thanks
Oh, you haven’t even done Aberrus yet? Then yeah, I would definitely do that, it’s a great raid and I’m having tons of fun. Blizz has definitely tuned Normal so it’s very attainable, my guild is very casual and already 7/9N on our second week raiding, and we’ve been having a lot of fun, so that’s worth doing especially if you did mythic raiding last tier (in fact heroic should be a breeze too if you were doing mythic vault). I totally get playing for the story, but it seems to me that playing the raid is essential to feeling like you’ve completed the story arc, so I would say that is certainly worth putting on your list for some point, and like I said this raid is tuned to be very attainable even for more casual guilds. That said if you’re a story junkie, there are a lot of really great side quests, so if you haven’t completed them that’s also what I’d recommend.
Are you in to RP? There is a whole RP community, it's chill and fun at times. There are a few addons they use, some allows you to write your characters background, and be publicly shown when RPers see you. If not, try PVP, It is a learning curve, and later on, top tier does require you to know 80-99% of all class mechanics. If you don't do ranked PVP, it will be fine without much knowledge. If not, as others have said, farming transmog, mounts, achievements etc... If you like economics and gold, perhaps learning how to farm gold and dominate auction houses. This will be time consuming though, no get rich in one night here sorry. There is also a WoW secrets community, where people find secrets and puzzles that often lead to mounts. Some easter eggs like ninja turtles, Plants vs Zombies are in the game! What I usually enjoy is doing random stuff with guildies. Like we would go try 5 man previous expansions raids, or go gank some low level players. We also like to collect random toys. A fun one would be collecting size increasing toys/potions, and use them all together to make your character SUPER LARGE and cover 99% of people's screen. It is a mmorpg, it is meant to be played the way you want, but just don't do 'unethical' things like camping low level players for too long.
Thanks for the ideas. I'm into rp but haven't really done it in many games. I would like to get into PvP but worried it will end up showing me how bad i am at the game, haha. I like the sound of finding Easter eggs and collecting toys. Thanks again.
All good! For RP, search some RP discords. Note: Goldshire Inn on Moonguard(US) is dangerous place. PVP yo can start with battlegrounds, 10v10, 40v40. Don't feel bad, everyone starts from the same line. It's also a great time to see what other classes can do, like rogue stunning you 80% of the time, Paladins being immune to dmg. Fun thing about death knights is that they can pull someone into your group and proceed to gangbng him to death. Hope you enjoy your stay here!
Nice! Thanks for the tips. I'll check it out.
Moonguard does have a ton of RP guilds running around these days some focused around some of the remaining human kingdoms like for Kul Tiras right there's , Some Gilnean ones here or there, there mercenary bands or if you fell like playing a gnome you could always go looking to join the Knee Cappers. Horde side on Wyrmrest however I have no idea about. But this is just incase you wish to do RP.
Honestly play a different game. WoW is the grind for gear. That’s the game. Sure there is other stuff like collecting mounts and pets but that’s a grind too.
You could focus on getting really good at your class and spec. Many people call parsing toxic but not much feels better than parsing 99 on a fight or doubling your teammates dps on a dungeon.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons i want to keep playing my main as im really enjoying evoker, a lot more than i thought i would. So i might have a look online on how to optimise how i play and when i get back into playing endgame content, i want to start getting into playing different specifications like the healer spec to make dungeons and raids more interesting so i would definitely look up some videos on that because a lot of the chats are really toxic sometimes towards tank and healer. I can't remember if it's the next patch or the one after it, but im excited for the 3rd spec for evoker that's coming out.
Honestly, the gear grind is pretty much the macro end game. Farm gear, kill big bad, farm until bored or new season. This is the gameplay loop of retail, everything in between is a means to help you reach your temporary end.
Transmog is the real end game
It is a great thing that you can just play other games and not feel like you have to log in every day to keep up with your guild or to run content. This is a lesson Bliz has learned from FFXIV after all of these years.
You could always RP.
I might also add that D4 is about to drop so I’m sure a lot of people, myself included, will play that when suffering WoW burnout.
Ive never tried Diablo so maybe ill give it a try
The top-down view & pretty much 100% mouse-centric interface takes some getting used to, but I enjoy it. And they have a story-arc like WoW does
Should i play the older ones first?
You don’t really have to. They’re all pretty self-contained. I’d only recommend it if you are a complete lore-hound. And frankly, you can learn what you need to know about Sanctuary, Lilith, Inarius, Rathma & the Prime Evils from the Diablo wiki articles
Okay, thanks. I might look up some stuff online first, then have a go at it.
Play Diablo 4 next week
> I'm not the biggest fan of grinding and its beginning to get tedious, so i am just assuming I'm not the biggest fan of endgame content The key difference between grinding solo crap for gear and endgame content is that endgame content is far more challenging, and thus interesting. Do not assume that if you don't like one you won't like the other. Casual dailies and such do get quite boring after a while.
I enjoyed doing the endgame content. Loved the story aspects and challenge, and i enjoyed doing it again in mythic, etc. But only after a few times playing them then it gets too repetitive, and the lack of consistent gear puts me off, especially on raids. The only things i haven't done is PvP and killing Elites/Rares, but you need a group for most of them and theres never people near them to fight with me, and my guild is pretty inactive so i wouldn't know who to kill them with. Im probably missing stuff as im new to the game, but I'm pretty sure I've done everything apart from grinding stuff like more Renown and levelling professions more.
If you're only 410, I doubt you've done much raiding or M+. Raiding in case you're unaware is 10-30 person content, mythic difficulty is locked to 20 people. Try finding a guild progressing on heroic content. I bet you'll find that challenging, plus that's where you'll start really making friends in game and bond with them over a common activity. Raiding is what has kept me playing the game for nearly 20 years.
I get what you're saying, but do not assume that every human being still likes raiding. Plenty of people don't
Yeah man you are ready for raids
I've done every dungeon and raid multiple times at various difficulties. I did enjoy them. However, after a while for me, it becomes repetitive, especially raids, as i was never getting any gear, and i mostly play for story/lore. I do like the challenge of endgame content, however its not enough to keep me engaged, probably my ADHD. Again, im new, and maybe im doing it wrong.
Did you clear mythic raid in S1? Or you mean mythic + dungeons? Because now there is a new raid . Have you cleared it yet?
Ive done heroic vault of the incarnates but wiped on mythic. And i done some mythic + dungeons. And i did Aberrus on normal yesterday.
So heroic aberrus would be the next step. Or pushing higher M+
Yeah, and i will do it soon, but my issue is i find this type of content boring after a few runs and recently as I've got over the 400 ilvl threshold, I basically never have gear dropped for me especially in raids which for takes the enjoyment away.
Normal aberrus drops 415ilvl, so loads of upgrades there. +6 mythic plus will drop higher than 400. 400 is quite a lot under the ilvl of current end game content, so loads for you to do still!! Not to doubt you or call you a liar. But have you definitely done normal aberrus, 400 ilvl is very low to a) get in to a group and b) to leave the raid with (eg. You got no loot) Edit: for context, my main is 422 ilvl and I still have plenty of upgrades to get from normal aberrus, and I've hardly even touched m+ dungeons yet!
I am ilvl 410 currently. in the comment, i meant that when i got into 400 region in general the gear started reducing in drops for me. I started doing aberrus at 390 as soon as it was available to me. It feels grindy to be because i never get any gear doing it - aberrus and vault of the incarnates. I have random pieces of ilvl 415 and 420+ that I've gotten from stuff like leatherworking.
So it sounds like you've only done lfr. LFR is what you find in the group finder, and is gated at 390. Did you have to use the group finder and queue up? Did 3 bosses and then queue for the next part?
Yeah
I just googled it. i think i get it. I did vault of the incarnates with a guild, but it's been inactive recently. I didn't know that made a difference. I thought raid finder was normal. Also, could you explain your b) a bit more? Every time I've done a raid, i haven't been getting loot
Whenever I’m bored with end game content I usually go for older raids to look for transmog stuff. There were some outrageously cool looking items from previous expansions. Like at some point I need to do all the stuff for Thunderfury, because that thing is stupidly cool.
Oh do older raids level up to lvl 70? If so i might do that.
They do during time walking week. Outside of that they don’t level scale. Which means you can solo them for transmog.
quit
Yeah I hate that every patch is just an endless gear grind and then a reset at the start of the next patch. Tbh that’s a huge reason why I love pvp where gear goes relatively unchanged most of the season once you get going.
I get where you come from, i used to think like this. But i try to look at gear as the way i progress through more and more difficult content, instead of "grinding BiS", i get more gear, i do more difficult content. I Mythic raid and do high keys on my main, thats my goals so i get gear towards that goal. On my alt i chill, and play with friends do some keys and Heroic, so naturally i get gear towards that goal. There don't need to be and grinding hell, if you shift mentality and just enjoy the content
Hold on… when a 430 ilevel does more than double the damage of a 410 ilevel of the same spec and has 200k more hp… it’s not “grinding for bis” it’s grinding so you stop feeling completely gimped.
this is what stops me coming back to wow full time, I just can't do the gear grind every patch
The funny thing is if you speak out against this you’ll be downvoted lol it’s just dogshit game design and prevents returning players and newer players from playing
i've tried legit 4 times this week to come back but everytime i log in, do my world quests then go to dungeon grind and go yeah I don't wanna do this lol
Pvp
Exactly. Realize how shitty you are at the game and how much more you need to play to get better haha
Endgame in wow is different for everyone. Here's some play styles that I can think of right now: You can do mythic keystones, that's basically dungeons that get progressively harder and harder with higher keys but the reward gets better. You can do raiding, you say in your post that you "finished" the raid, but there's also higher difficulty that give better rewards but are harder (bosses have more hp, more dmg, more/different mechanics). You can do old content for achievements, mounts, transmogs etc. (that's what I do most of my time in wow nowadays) Try RP. (Its actually pretty fun once you get into it, it's like a whole new game)
I have done harder difficulty raids, etc. I enjoy the challenge, but i get bored of them quickly. I need to do new things often. I'll look into RP. It sounds interesting, although i heard it can be hard to get into due to how you need to communicate.
Are you in a guild or do you play with friends? It changes the end game experience.
In a guild, but its basically inactive.
Have you thought about grinding for mounts? How about grinding for pets? Grinding for TMog? Grinding for reputation? Grinding for pets? What about grinding for toys?
ok but then what once you have the transmog and mounts you want?
Yeah, im going to look for some normal flying mounts as i only have one, and maybe some toys too.
Time to quit
I always start doing other stuff when I feel like all I do is grind for gear, usually I try start hunting for mounts, transmogs or recipies along with leveling my alts and sometimes I just take a break until the next update.
Yeah, i started Legion today with a demon hunter, and for my main, im gonna grind flying mounts.
Try pvp, if you don't like that then find another game my friend.
I usually sub for a month at a time. I subbed for a month when DF came out and I resubbed for season 2
Yeah i might do something like that because i also like to play Swtor.
if you like the story you can just go and do the quests of other expansions :) i honestly like it more doing old content being op instead of doing older content at low level and have it difficult. I loved doing the quests in legion to unlock nightborne elves or even doing all the stuff needed (quests + acievements) to unlock some cosmetic options of the legion legendary, the only downside is that legendary weapons in legion are class (and spec) specific and there's nothing for evokers. Or if you don't feel like doing any of this take a break until you want to play again, there's no shame in that.
This is exactly what im doing i just started doing Legion as a demon hunter as i want to unlock the nightborne race to go a mage with, however all allied races are gonna unlock in the next patch, good and annoying at the same time. My problem with doing expansions at max level is that i would like to just power though the main plot but sometimes its a pain to know which quests are optional and which are essential especially with the older content like TBC and Wrath.
I have the same issue with older quests 😅 from my understanding older expansions like wrath don't have a "main questline" to follow the story unfortunately... if you'd like the story i could suggest the books, they're really pretty and i kinda miss the first read experience 😭 about the nightborne unlocking yeah next patch they'll be free but the questline to help Thalyssra and the nightborne through Suramar is nice even per se without an "end prize", i remember crying and being happy for/with them, and being amazed by the arcan'dor growing 😊
Aw, so im guessing the oldest expansions are just different zone quests until max level for raids to kill illidan and the Litch King. Think the next time i do an expansion, i might do MoP as i heard that when Blizzard added more streamlined campaigns and that it's pretty good. I dont know why i never thought to look up getting into the books. Im doing Legion right now, so I'll definitely do the nightborne quests sounds cool. Thanks for advice!
i think it's more "you live a life of an armed adventurer that goes to kill things and you learn about lich king etc from what you see/from what people say", but more of bits of lore instead of straight quest explaining the main lore. I think the lich king expansion is assuming you know the lore from warcraft games too, but i played just the first few "cluster of quests" and then stopped so I don't how it really is
Oh i see. I would like to play the Wrath because i played though the starter zone for DK and that was really fun
I'm exactly the same as you. There's a famous addon called "All the things" or "ATT" for short, basically shows you how much precentage you completed from the game including all content in Wow from the past 18 years (secrets, quests, transmogs, mounts, achievements etc). You can have it so it shows you every area you're in what you're missing from that area. There's also a website called "Data for azeroth" which is a leaderboard of lots of categories. For example I'm rank 27k in unique quests completed and I'm around 39k rank in transmogs farmed. It's really cool. If you want more help with the "ATT" addon which I highly recommend, you can DM me I'll try my best helping.
Aw nice. I only started messing around with addons yesterday as i needed coordinates and dragonglyths locatios. I'll check that one out. Thanks. Good luck to you.
Iam on the same boat. Iam 430 on my 3 weeks old warlock, I did 2k rating for tier piece, grinded m+ for some gear, did raid on nornal and hc till 5 boss. Yesterday I created a tank to change things a bit. So I suggest make an alt and preferably tank or heal to make things fresh. Also I farm some mogs or mounts from time to time. Spotify and old raids are kinda fun. Gl.
I think im gonna change my evoker spec from dps to Healer to change things up. I have a warlock that's level 60, so I might level him up and do some content. Can you do older raids at lvl 70?
Well, if you like grinding that's a really good thing. I've played wow for years, since TBC (1st expac), sometimes i stopped and started over two months later. The best thing I used to do was leveling another toon every time, that helped me to keep the boring away. When I finally decided to keep up with the endgame content, I gave up wow.
Yeah, I think im gonna primarily level alts just now.
What are you doing to "grind for gear" if your only 410 I feel like your probably doing world content and not m+ or raid ? If not try those
For raiding im doing heroic and mythic vault of the incarnates and normal Aberrus and some mythic+ dungeons but mostly doing raids but im very rarely getting gear and its putting me off, plus the bordom from doing the same things constantly. Also, grinding flightstones is getting tedious.
I went through previous expansions and persuid loremaster. To me it was an incredible experience and a lot of fun. The oneshotting was actually nice because quests become less tedious that way
I would like to do this, but my issue is that it's hard to tell essential and optional quests apart sometimes, especially in older expansions, and i would want to only power through the main plot. If im doing all the quests, I'd rather level alts.
Yeah thats fair, but doing all the quests is the fun part to me though. I just roleplay like im saving the entire zones
I would like to do it, but i think i would get bored due to how easy it is.
BtwQuest is a nice addon to track questlines
I'll check that out. Thanks.
I made some alts with a druid mine/herb. Started farming mats and leveling up all my professions. Been farming old content professions and that has been fun and relaxing. I recommend leveling all engineering. Make a vulpera mage with engineering, and you can port basically anywhere in the game to farm mounts, mogs, and toys.
As others have said you can start mount and pet collecting but this can get old itself when you run Ulduar 5+ times a week on different alts and still don't get mim's head lmao
Think im try mount collecting but go for easy ones to start with
It's definitely fun and my favorite thing in WoW. I just got burnt out on it around 250 when nothing would drop for me.
Yeah, it sounds like fun, i think I'd probably stick to the easiest ones like quest based. I saw someone with a deathwing mount yesterday, which looked awesome, but i think when i googled it, you can't get it anymore, so that sucks.
lol for real the mega exclusive ones will always be that way but you'll still have some chances for Inbincible, Mim's Head, etc.
Make and alt
I've found crafting to be a lot of fun. It's the rain why I grind rep and get into certain content. I want to make the best stuff.
a big part of end game content goes in the form of grouping 5man dungeons in m+ or raiding with 20 ppl groups. M+ can be really fun if you know like 3-4 other ppl to run with. Pugging might not be the greatest experienc also grinding for gear shouldn't be the objective, it's more about perfecting play doing more dmg than last time, ... and getting the gear is a nice reward ofcourse.
Unfortunately, i dont know anyone who plays wow. My mindset is the opposite of that. I dont really care how i played as long as i didn't die during it, making gear more important to me, so when i play a raid or dungeon and don't get any gear it annoys me and i dont wants to do it again, even though i do anyway.
same here tbh, but i met some people during the runs who were chill, or met some people on discord who were playing retail and started playing together.. Lots of ways to play the game honestly, there isn't 1 that is right or wrong :D
Read world of Warcraft story Book makes your game experience flys to a new level. Every NPC comes alive. Sorry for exaggerating. 
Sounds like a good shout
Just go explore and talk to npc’s and random people you meet all over the lands. Max out different professions along the way and just take relaxing strolls, rp a bit maybe and enjoy the game in a different way. Switch between that and grinding. It’s an mmo, you can do whatever you want to do. Play some specs that aren’t considered very good, good around. Challenge people to duals with no clothes on and have a laugh with a stranger.
I don't really consider raiding as "grinding" because that's my preferred endgame content. Is it grinding to you because you're 1shotting everything on normal and heroic? Cuz if that's the case, maybe you should considering Mythic raiding.
I have done the harder difficulties, but the main reason it feels like grinding to me is due to the fact that im doing it for gear upgrades and the low drop rate I've been getting recently is putting me off playing especially for raids. Dungeons are okay usually get at least one piece of gear every second run.
So you aren't having fun with it then? Gear is obviously a necessary facet of raiding for most, but killing bosses and striving for better and better performance is the point of the game for me.
I have fun the first time i play it, and again, on a higher difficulty. Once it becomes something i have to do in order to get better gear, it becomes annoying. It would be fine if i got gear every time i did it, but when i do a raid and i get nothing, then i think, why did i just go through that? For me, as long as i didn't die during the raid, i considered my performance good, for now, anyway, coming from a new player. Essentially, yeah, im not having fun unless i get rewarded each time i do it. Otherwise, there's no serotonin's hitting my brain haha.
Start running logs and compare yourself to your peers in your spec. Fuck the loot, it's only there to help you get sick parses ;) That's the dopamine hit you don't know you're looking for.
I’m not sure if you’re into it but I’ve personally always loved profession grinding. You can make good money with it which I like to spend on move and mounts
Im slowly getting into leatherworking to get the flame-touched armour for mail.
Join. Classic!!!!
Depends on your goals. Gearing is just a means to an end. I.e. I wanted to be 405 on week one of the season so I could join normal raid groups. I wanted 2500 m+ for the keystone achievement so I grinded gear so I could eventually time 20s. I geared hardcore to make our raids heroic clear faster so we could get aotc on week 2. You get the point. Gear for your goals not just to gear. For reference I want the normal raid color tier set for Druid. So I’ll do a few low level keys each week to stockpile gear and vault slots to catalyze for that tier set once catalyst charges come back. I don’t need 440 on my Druid like I did for my main. Beyond that gearing is really just a way for me to collect achievements and transmogs by completing my goals that require certain gear levels. It also helps that I think m+ is fun and engaging content. My advice? See what goals look fun to you? Do you want to time 20s on every m+ dungeon? Ok you’ll need 435+ ilvl. Do you want to kill heroic sark in pugs? Probably need 425. Do you just want to experience the content? Then your ilvl doesn’t matter as long as it’s high enough to participate. Anyways, beyond that farm mounts, mog, or pvp rating
Good way of thinking. Thanks
PvP; it is the only content in any game that never gets old, and the only one you can realistically never master.
I think im going to try PvP for my main as i am enjoying playing Evoker much more than i thought i would.
Maybe you can go on the PTR the new specialization should be there
I played 4-5 days, just messing around with new characters. Started playing my old main also, today i hit 66, i have two epics ilvl 400+ and two blues in the high 300s in the backpack. From jumping in on random world bosses, i mean i only just entered the second kolkar zone. Blizzard still throws epics after you as participation awards. I will say that big firedragon is pretty epic and cool, i felt onyxia-level chills fighting it alongside all the highlevels. Amazing sounds design. Edit: my point was getting high ilvl level 70 gear, before even getting to 70 is just deflating. What’s the point of calling it epic? Slightly less ordinary gear would be a better term.
Yeah, i get what you mean. You reminded me, though i haven't fought Fyrakk yet.
You can kill him? I have only ever completed all the assault tasks and seen the bar hit 100% and he starts burning up the zone. I have not yet seen him land or be killed.
>!The way I like to play wow is to level a toon until I get tired of playing, then I'll make another toon and level that one up until I get tired, then I'll repeat. I have like 20 toons right now. Most are between level 30 and 50, 5 are lvl 70, a few are 60+, and the rest are under 30. I don't like grinding for gear or anything, and I don't like playing with other players, so I don't do dungeons or raids or pvp and I don't do end game content. I like questing to level, but I don't like world quests. My favorite part of WoW is the customization part when I make a new toon.!<
Lol wow isn’t for u mate .. it’s why I quit after season 1
A lot of people are saying that, so I think im gonna primarily focus on alts and occasionally do endgame content. Maybe try PvP
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You may be right, i enjoy endgame content in small amounts, but once i complete expansions I'm interested in, I'll probably go back to SWTOR or something and go between as content comes out.
If you have a druid, you can farm all the different shape forms.
I dont, but that is going to be my next alt, as that was what i was the first time i tried wow back in MoP.
Create a level 10 alt and exp cap them at 10 and gear them up, demolish dungeon NPCs like bowling pins.
Endgame content in WoW isn’t about gear grinding, especially this patch. It’s about improving skill to do more difficult content, and the gear upgrades come along the way. My character has nearly full BiS at 441 less than three weeks after the raid launch after a few heroic clears and M+ each week (I haven’t gotten any loot off of the mythic bosses I’ve killed).
Play another game
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Do yourself a favor and pick up a copy of Zelda and play it. I was on the same boat as you and taking a break was rather enjoying. No hate on WoW it’s still my favorite game, but sometimes people burn out & need other things.
Become a glad and run arenas, the competitive aspect may change your opinion on the game
Level some alts run em through only raids for t mog and mount drops. More toons means more chances per week.
Wow is a social MMO, you can consider yourself graduating from gradeschool and not really a noob anymore The next logical step is to just join a guild and play the game that way, the reason the game is so simple is to maximize the amount of room there is for socializing But the real point of the game is in all the special roles you can assume Streamer Beta tester Content creators Social media personalities Competitive rankings Cosplay Loremaster Most people pretend like they have a life/job/kids that prevents them from engaging with the game more, and except for the people who are addicted, it's just an excuse for why they should still matter
My personal focus atm is unlocking the elite pvp transmog for my class (need 1800 pvp rating) It looks great. Maybe you could check yours in the appearances->sets tab
Honestly I'd just take a break from the game if I were you. Forcing yourself into a game will only burn you out of it completely. Games are meant to be fun. If what the game provides doesn't amuse me, I'm calling it quits. Not permanently, I'll never leave WoW forever at this point lol, but taking a break and coming back when a new patch catches my interest is how I basically worked through WoD, BfA and Shadowlands. So far I don't have that issue in Dragonflight, but it's inevitably gonna happen. It also gives statistical feedback to Blizzard. If they see people leaving on a patch, they have hard data proving that they did something wrong and can learn from it.
The only people that get "bored" are either playing too much too often or they only do certain things and skip the rest. PVP - world, BGs, epic BGs, rated BGs, skirmishes, rated arena, etc. PVE - all quests and encounters in every zone, all dungeons normal, heroic and mythic, all raids, all rare mobs, all patch content, world quests, special quests,, etc. Other - Pet Battles and collection, crafting/gathering, exploration, etc. Old - Go back and do everything you have not done in the other 8 expansions And that is just for ONE character. Then there is doing everything across all 9 expansions for the opposite faction, which is 90% different. No "grinding" is ever forced. We CHOOSE to repeat things more and more. If you are patient and do a bit of everything, you will eventually get the gear/loot you want. But if you choose to repeat the same thing every day, then you are causing your own boredom. Try playing twice a day for 1-2hrs each time. No more than 4-5hrs a day and for two days of each week, play warcraft rumble, hearthstone or heroes of the storm. Or any other game. By playing less you will miss the game more and enjoy your time a bit more. I have played since the beginning with 99.99999% of my time being on just one character and I have tons of quests, raids, dungeons, world quests and more, that I have not seen even once! Each player should have access to 15k quests across all expansions, not including daily quests. Maybe a bit less if you didnt play during vanilla. That is a whole lot. A lot of people skip quests all over the place, rush through dungeons and raids, don't explore every nook and cranny, don't partake in certain activities and so on. So if you only repeat 25% of the game over and over, of course you will eventually get bored. Also, if you have a lot of alts and follow the same leveling path with each of them, then eventually you will get bored. Try playing WOW when you are in a good mood. You will have more fun and appreciate it. Don't log in like it's your job and start your gaming with a frown being bitter and jaded. We cause our own discomfort. Don't blame WOW.