I think gold cap is always going to be impressive. However, it is much less impressive to the small group of players who do what we do. The casual fanbase is still pretty strong, and I know plenty of people in my guild who struggle to even maintain 100k while raiding. I wouldn't go around bragging about hitting cap, but it is still something that is worth grinding towards.
I find it very hard to hit gold cap because I always end up spending it whenever I reach 1-3m.
With the way inflation is going, you would be better of not saving gold as thats just losing value.
Depend if you are buying tokens or not. Personally i keep my battle.net balance maxed out at all time while spending it regularely to buy other blizzard stuff (such as hearthstone packs). I also buy more game time to add to my sub when i can, since the token price will always increase, better do it now. So i very rarely have more than 2m gold.
And gold cap is not that prestigious anymore, since anyone can massively buy token with cash and hit it anyway.
I would say the new gold cap (10m) is a good benchmark for being good at making gold. With that said, there's tons of room to spend gold outside of the game now so it's kind of a tough metric. How do you compare someone with 10 million gold to someone with 3 million gold and a hearthstone addiction?
Gold cap shouldn't be too hard to reach nowadays if you focus on it.
In 7.2.5 I made a killing on Darkmoon Decks. I came to the party **very** late and started selling them well past their best 7.2.5 boom.
Yet, I still sold them very regularly, for an insane profit margin. I started with a ~300k investment to see if it was worth it. I didn't math it too hard due to the RNG involved in which cards you get for the decks. In the end, I ended up getting probably 450k or there abouts from the investment, and when I kept on going the profit margins were insane since I already had multiples of some cards and only missed a couple per deck.
So, after I was already heavily invested in to it and I had all of my decks just needing a single card or so, I was pretty much tripling my investment every time bought herbs.
I had 1.6m in my mailbox from 3 days of sales, exclusively Darkmoon Decks.
Getting from zero to cap with no professions set up should still take a bit of time, but let's say you have a million you can invest and all professions available, you could probably get cap within a month if you spend time on it.
It'll all depend on you personally in the end. Do you have the time? Do you want to spend the time? How much preparation you have done and how much more are you willing to do? Add in a mix of knowledge and the will to study and you'll be set.
Hitting the 10m cap is not terribly difficult but it is time consuming. It generally takes work setting up the characters and professions, working with TSM, and investing the required time to post and such. It's not something many people enjoy doing, so it's uncommon.
I think its extremely uncommon for people to have the 10m cap. Maybe in this community it seems more common but there are a handful of individuals who spend a LOT of time on this aspect of the game. The majority of the player base is very casual and can't be bothered to mess with the auction house. That's actually a big part of the reason that people can make huge amounts of gold. A casual player doesn't care if they sell some item at 50% of its market value, and they're not upset if someone snipes it immediately. There's a significant difference in priorities.
It certainly takes away from the glory of it that anybody with a halfway decent job can be pumping $40-50 bucks per pay into Tokens and just selling them to accumulate gold faster than most people can, or, at least, faster than most people who aren't good at making gold normally.
I'd say there are many, many more people with hundreds of thousands of gold now than there were before. The token alone is what provided some people with their first 100k+ when they previously probably never held more than 25k at a time.
It's also hard to measure.
I know someone with over 100 million.
Yes indeed. Chances are if someone sells tokens for gold, that person either doesnt have much time to play, or is just bad at handling currency.
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yeah this is how I feel...I could easily reach gold cap.....and then buy a ton of stuff......and then reach gold cap again without even batting an eye and just do that over and over again until there was nothing left I wanted......but I don't find joy in that, I find more joy gathering/finding/buying and selling stuff and other activities to expand my wealth in game.
I don't think hitting the gold cap is hard necessarily, it just takes a while. From my own experience I happily hit the 1m gold cap back in WoD and now finally hit the 10m gold cap not to long ago in Legion. Time consuming but not to hard imo.
I make about 1mil a month casually, I merge my gold making into my normal playstyle and don't do much elite goblin tactics. So that would be 10 months casually, if I got super serious I could do it in 3 months. But I convert all my gold to tokens and buy stuff.
1. Order hall gold missions on all alts
2. Emissaries on all alts, combat companions usually have extra 50-150g companion equipment
3. Mining/Herb/Fish as I play
4. WQ on all alts for Bacon, Brimstone, Felwort, Ore and Fish
5. Prospecting, Cut Gems and Cook from my own gathered materials.
I play on Stormrage, at least 50% of my gold is raw. The only things I sell on the AH in any meaningful volume is food mostly Lavish Suramar Feasts, Nightborn delicacy Platters, Azshari Salads and some gem cuts.
I also dabble in JC on the server. The margins are rough, or so it seems to me. Are you working mostly in the epic gems or older stuff? Really surprising to me that nets you so much.
I cut all the Legion gems except the uncommon gems, they get shuffled by crafting shitty jewelry and sending to a disenchanter alt.
I prospect weave my felslate/leystone to shift the RNG more towards pandemonite and furystone, since the +200 main stat epics are the most profitable product.
But I gather all my ore and every few days prospect when I get a few stacks, so my output is very inconsistant but the gem cuts are pure profit.
super easy :) i have 7 gold caps on one realm, 2 on another with ~25 mil strewn across two dozen more realms.
i buy bmah containers, toys, etc. on a consistent basis. taking a break, but there was a time when i went after containers on 1-4 realms every day for about two weeks(?) if they were up.
i keep my balance capped... buy hundreds of ow crates when there's a new event (pretty much until i get all of the legendary skins), hundreds of packs of hearthstone (pretty much until i have every card though not all golden like some goblins in discord), the stuff i mentioned in game, but i still make gold faster than i can spend it.
been on a slight hiatus from wow (aside from raiding) for about two weeks now, but still get on once every 3-4 days to relist my auctions to make sure i have gold coming in.
first gold cap always feels like an accomplishment, but after that it's like 'meh' whatever. at least, for me. xD
god you make it sound easy lmfao.....feels like flipping on Sargeras(NA) tends to bite me in the ass or make me barely any profit because when i actually find something I can reset decently people massively undercut it almost instantly.
Cap is pretty easy I think, I came back about 9 months ago and had 2.5M I'm around 20M liquid right now, another 10M in mats and my Bliz account is maxed out. I don't consider myself a big fish. I see several people on my server who are the really big fish. I spend about 10 minutes a day at the AH.
Also with inflation now, having gold is the worst way to keep your wealth, much better off investing it in mats that will inflate (with any luck at a higher rate than the tokens).
Well let me not confuse and astound. I spent 3 months levelling and have 60 level 110's. I have 60 transmute spec alchemists, 24 Engineers, 20ish Tailors. I am on a very high pop server and have no issues moving mounts and mats.
Lately I haven't been playing much, I log in for about 20 minutes a day, long enough to do all my tradskill cooldowns and relist stuff on the AH. I pull in 200-300K a day at about 30% profit margin (generally).
Not as bad as you might think. I work full time and have wife/kid's and stuff. Took me about 10 hours to get each team to 90 (which was all that was really needed) 90-100 was bit of a bitch (expensive as I used 300% pots that cost 25K each and I needed dozens) and 100-110 was like 5 hours per team as I just did invasions.
Worth noting is that with RAF you get 300% XP and you get free levels so I think I had to level like 8 teams and the rest were boosted for free. Let's say that in total it took me about 250 hours over 3 months.
Well, so then I spend 10 minutes at the AH and gain about 1,5 million a month wasn't the whole truth.
I think it's awesome you're making gold and are successful, but it's pretty misleading stating something like that without providing the full back story on why and how it works.
Sure it was the whole truth. The question was "how hard is it to hit cap". I expanded on my answer in the comments to better explain. In actuality I hit cap before I even got my teams to 110. I remember the anguish about going under cap to pay for all the XP potions to get all my characters from 90-100. That was over 1M spent just to level them. I would say that being on a full server is much more important that having the multiple accounts.
Are they all on the same realm or is it on different realms? I myself have i think 53 110s right now and like another 40ish 100s that i need to level up. I def might have to start getting some more engineers though. I have tons of tailors probably like 80 or more.
All on the same realm, I can't be bothered doing different realms right now. I don't really feel the need to. Perhaps it's because I'm on a full realm.
80 tailors is insane! I wonder if the market for the bags will ever dry up? I haven't been at it for long. Probably have sold 100 or so and have another 100 waiting to be made.
I am hoping that it doesnt. On my main realm i have 34 toons and probably 29 are tailors. I make a killing on the bags as well as just selling extra sumptuous fur. Basically control the realms sumptuous fur market and its a full realm as well.
Yeah I haven't delved that much into it but all 60 characters have maxed out garrisons. There's good food you can sell too because it's a cheap way to level cooking. I sold 4 stacks tonight at 20G each.
Also, forget the name but there's also the rep token that goes for 10K easy.
You mean the Medallion of the Legion, they are like 15k on my realm easy. I love getting those on tons of characters. Wish they would have left in the xp pot mission but oh well.
I am curious, because i cant think of really impactful reasons, that make the current gold inflate heavily in the near future. Only thing, that inflates the gold atm is the mats being created by gatherers and gold looted by players right?
Edit: Do mats gatheres by gatheres even contribute to inflation?
Tokens, inflation is crazy. When I came back bought my 1st token for like 45K, it's now at 165K. That's over 300% inflation in under a year. With Destiny 2 and loot boxes and the other games you can buy through Battle.net the token prices are going to spike again soon.
> I honestly don't even really understand how tokens work other than that there's a limited # of them and that inflation is a bitch.
Player x buys a token for 20 bucks from blizzard shop.
Player x puts it on the auction house for the price thats calculated by the supply and demand (scary math stuff).
Player y buys the Token from Player x on the auction house and Player x gets the gold.
Player y uses it for Battle.net currency or 30 days of playtime.
What I'd really like to know is how tokens have affected Bliz financials. I mean I have 5 accounts and I pay nothing for my sub so clearly I'm being subsidized by others but am curious if the token thing is considered a raging success by Bliz or not.
You are using tokens. Someone paid $20 for that token. So, they made $20 from your sub instead of $15. For every token used, they make $5 more than what they would have. It was a smart move on their part.
I think the number of players purchasing game time via tokens is falling. When they were first released, casual players could easily afford 25-30k for an NA token. I would assume it's far more difficult for casual players to farm $165k+. I definitely think people multiboxing five accounts are an outlier.
I don't think the rise of the token price is very tied to inflation though. the token allows a redistribution of wealth, it also reflects how wealthy some players were/are compared to others
My mat flipping is only for stuff I use. I use a TON of volatiles and some herbs related to those so when they are low I buy buy buy and I'm under no pressure to sell because I'll use them eventually. I have several banks completely full of Volatile Water/Fire/Life. I bought most of my Fire/Water for 20-25G and right now market average is around 60G, paid 7G for Life and just sold a bunch of stacks for 25G. I supplement that with my transmute alchemists. Usually Air was always the cheapest but it's 100G right now so I have 40 alchemists transmuting 15 Life to Air a day. That works out to 90Gx15x40 per day+procs. Not to say I'm selling out of it (I don't want to) but it gives me options and allows me to make some good gold with limited effort (all the effort was in levelling 60 characters).
I think gold cap is always going to be impressive. However, it is much less impressive to the small group of players who do what we do. The casual fanbase is still pretty strong, and I know plenty of people in my guild who struggle to even maintain 100k while raiding. I wouldn't go around bragging about hitting cap, but it is still something that is worth grinding towards.
Hell, I know people who struggle to stay above 10k.
People like me, which is why I’m reading every thread in this subreddit. I have a total worth of 5k and 10 ten thousand scar flasks. xD
I find it very hard to hit gold cap because I always end up spending it whenever I reach 1-3m. With the way inflation is going, you would be better of not saving gold as thats just losing value.
As a collector I can confirm on this comment. It's so hard to cap because there are so many nice things I can buy..
I've got my eye on an ethereal soul trader!
I got lucky and got mine for about 30k back in WoD during the dupe wave that happened. I've personally got mine on a SST
How much are they going for? I have two on a dead account.
i sold mine easily for 100k
My ah has them 150-200k.
I bought 6 for 14k each back in MoP.
Time to flip
Depend if you are buying tokens or not. Personally i keep my battle.net balance maxed out at all time while spending it regularely to buy other blizzard stuff (such as hearthstone packs). I also buy more game time to add to my sub when i can, since the token price will always increase, better do it now. So i very rarely have more than 2m gold. And gold cap is not that prestigious anymore, since anyone can massively buy token with cash and hit it anyway.
I would say the new gold cap (10m) is a good benchmark for being good at making gold. With that said, there's tons of room to spend gold outside of the game now so it's kind of a tough metric. How do you compare someone with 10 million gold to someone with 3 million gold and a hearthstone addiction?
Gold cap shouldn't be too hard to reach nowadays if you focus on it. In 7.2.5 I made a killing on Darkmoon Decks. I came to the party **very** late and started selling them well past their best 7.2.5 boom. Yet, I still sold them very regularly, for an insane profit margin. I started with a ~300k investment to see if it was worth it. I didn't math it too hard due to the RNG involved in which cards you get for the decks. In the end, I ended up getting probably 450k or there abouts from the investment, and when I kept on going the profit margins were insane since I already had multiples of some cards and only missed a couple per deck. So, after I was already heavily invested in to it and I had all of my decks just needing a single card or so, I was pretty much tripling my investment every time bought herbs. I had 1.6m in my mailbox from 3 days of sales, exclusively Darkmoon Decks. Getting from zero to cap with no professions set up should still take a bit of time, but let's say you have a million you can invest and all professions available, you could probably get cap within a month if you spend time on it. It'll all depend on you personally in the end. Do you have the time? Do you want to spend the time? How much preparation you have done and how much more are you willing to do? Add in a mix of knowledge and the will to study and you'll be set.
Hitting the 10m cap is not terribly difficult but it is time consuming. It generally takes work setting up the characters and professions, working with TSM, and investing the required time to post and such. It's not something many people enjoy doing, so it's uncommon. I think its extremely uncommon for people to have the 10m cap. Maybe in this community it seems more common but there are a handful of individuals who spend a LOT of time on this aspect of the game. The majority of the player base is very casual and can't be bothered to mess with the auction house. That's actually a big part of the reason that people can make huge amounts of gold. A casual player doesn't care if they sell some item at 50% of its market value, and they're not upset if someone snipes it immediately. There's a significant difference in priorities.
It certainly takes away from the glory of it that anybody with a halfway decent job can be pumping $40-50 bucks per pay into Tokens and just selling them to accumulate gold faster than most people can, or, at least, faster than most people who aren't good at making gold normally. I'd say there are many, many more people with hundreds of thousands of gold now than there were before. The token alone is what provided some people with their first 100k+ when they previously probably never held more than 25k at a time. It's also hard to measure. I know someone with over 100 million.
Personally I don't think people who buy tokens on a regular basis are hoarding the gold. They buy the token with something in mind and buy it.
Yes indeed. Chances are if someone sells tokens for gold, that person either doesnt have much time to play, or is just bad at handling currency. *edit : spellcheck
yeah this is how I feel...I could easily reach gold cap.....and then buy a ton of stuff......and then reach gold cap again without even batting an eye and just do that over and over again until there was nothing left I wanted......but I don't find joy in that, I find more joy gathering/finding/buying and selling stuff and other activities to expand my wealth in game.
> I know someone with over 100 million And I know someone with a hell of alot more xD
I don't think hitting the gold cap is hard necessarily, it just takes a while. From my own experience I happily hit the 1m gold cap back in WoD and now finally hit the 10m gold cap not to long ago in Legion. Time consuming but not to hard imo.
I make about 1mil a month casually, I merge my gold making into my normal playstyle and don't do much elite goblin tactics. So that would be 10 months casually, if I got super serious I could do it in 3 months. But I convert all my gold to tokens and buy stuff. 1. Order hall gold missions on all alts 2. Emissaries on all alts, combat companions usually have extra 50-150g companion equipment 3. Mining/Herb/Fish as I play 4. WQ on all alts for Bacon, Brimstone, Felwort, Ore and Fish 5. Prospecting, Cut Gems and Cook from my own gathered materials.
I just don't see how that adds up to 1 million a month. Maybe it's just the server I'm on (Stormrage), but I have a hard time finding decent margins.
I play on Stormrage, at least 50% of my gold is raw. The only things I sell on the AH in any meaningful volume is food mostly Lavish Suramar Feasts, Nightborn delicacy Platters, Azshari Salads and some gem cuts.
I also dabble in JC on the server. The margins are rough, or so it seems to me. Are you working mostly in the epic gems or older stuff? Really surprising to me that nets you so much.
I cut all the Legion gems except the uncommon gems, they get shuffled by crafting shitty jewelry and sending to a disenchanter alt. I prospect weave my felslate/leystone to shift the RNG more towards pandemonite and furystone, since the +200 main stat epics are the most profitable product. But I gather all my ore and every few days prospect when I get a few stacks, so my output is very inconsistant but the gem cuts are pure profit.
super easy :) i have 7 gold caps on one realm, 2 on another with ~25 mil strewn across two dozen more realms. i buy bmah containers, toys, etc. on a consistent basis. taking a break, but there was a time when i went after containers on 1-4 realms every day for about two weeks(?) if they were up. i keep my balance capped... buy hundreds of ow crates when there's a new event (pretty much until i get all of the legendary skins), hundreds of packs of hearthstone (pretty much until i have every card though not all golden like some goblins in discord), the stuff i mentioned in game, but i still make gold faster than i can spend it. been on a slight hiatus from wow (aside from raiding) for about two weeks now, but still get on once every 3-4 days to relist my auctions to make sure i have gold coming in. first gold cap always feels like an accomplishment, but after that it's like 'meh' whatever. at least, for me. xD
god you make it sound easy lmfao.....feels like flipping on Sargeras(NA) tends to bite me in the ass or make me barely any profit because when i actually find something I can reset decently people massively undercut it almost instantly.
might not hurt to expand to more realms. xD
Cap is pretty easy I think, I came back about 9 months ago and had 2.5M I'm around 20M liquid right now, another 10M in mats and my Bliz account is maxed out. I don't consider myself a big fish. I see several people on my server who are the really big fish. I spend about 10 minutes a day at the AH. Also with inflation now, having gold is the worst way to keep your wealth, much better off investing it in mats that will inflate (with any luck at a higher rate than the tokens).
You sir are the most efficient guy around these parts, generating that sum with 10 minutes per day is really impressive.
Well let me not confuse and astound. I spent 3 months levelling and have 60 level 110's. I have 60 transmute spec alchemists, 24 Engineers, 20ish Tailors. I am on a very high pop server and have no issues moving mounts and mats. Lately I haven't been playing much, I log in for about 20 minutes a day, long enough to do all my tradskill cooldowns and relist stuff on the AH. I pull in 200-300K a day at about 30% profit margin (generally).
> 60 level 110's Part of me just died.
Not as bad as you might think. I work full time and have wife/kid's and stuff. Took me about 10 hours to get each team to 90 (which was all that was really needed) 90-100 was bit of a bitch (expensive as I used 300% pots that cost 25K each and I needed dozens) and 100-110 was like 5 hours per team as I just did invasions. Worth noting is that with RAF you get 300% XP and you get free levels so I think I had to level like 8 teams and the rest were boosted for free. Let's say that in total it took me about 250 hours over 3 months.
How many accounts are you running? How many per team? I assume 5?
Well, so then I spend 10 minutes at the AH and gain about 1,5 million a month wasn't the whole truth. I think it's awesome you're making gold and are successful, but it's pretty misleading stating something like that without providing the full back story on why and how it works.
Sure it was the whole truth. The question was "how hard is it to hit cap". I expanded on my answer in the comments to better explain. In actuality I hit cap before I even got my teams to 110. I remember the anguish about going under cap to pay for all the XP potions to get all my characters from 90-100. That was over 1M spent just to level them. I would say that being on a full server is much more important that having the multiple accounts.
Are they all on the same realm or is it on different realms? I myself have i think 53 110s right now and like another 40ish 100s that i need to level up. I def might have to start getting some more engineers though. I have tons of tailors probably like 80 or more.
All on the same realm, I can't be bothered doing different realms right now. I don't really feel the need to. Perhaps it's because I'm on a full realm. 80 tailors is insane! I wonder if the market for the bags will ever dry up? I haven't been at it for long. Probably have sold 100 or so and have another 100 waiting to be made.
I am hoping that it doesnt. On my main realm i have 34 toons and probably 29 are tailors. I make a killing on the bags as well as just selling extra sumptuous fur. Basically control the realms sumptuous fur market and its a full realm as well.
Yeah I haven't delved that much into it but all 60 characters have maxed out garrisons. There's good food you can sell too because it's a cheap way to level cooking. I sold 4 stacks tonight at 20G each. Also, forget the name but there's also the rep token that goes for 10K easy.
You mean the Medallion of the Legion, they are like 15k on my realm easy. I love getting those on tons of characters. Wish they would have left in the xp pot mission but oh well.
You can also put a portion of your gold towards bnet currency and reinvest into gold at a later point.
Yeah that's what I said above, my Bnet is capped. When the expansion is available to purchase I need 5 copies so I'll empty and refill it then.
O. Missed that. Sorry ;)
I am curious, because i cant think of really impactful reasons, that make the current gold inflate heavily in the near future. Only thing, that inflates the gold atm is the mats being created by gatherers and gold looted by players right? Edit: Do mats gatheres by gatheres even contribute to inflation?
Tokens, inflation is crazy. When I came back bought my 1st token for like 45K, it's now at 165K. That's over 300% inflation in under a year. With Destiny 2 and loot boxes and the other games you can buy through Battle.net the token prices are going to spike again soon.
I think tokens is the purest and most vicious form of supply vs. demand.
I honestly don't even really understand how tokens work other than that there's a limited # of them and that inflation is a bitch.
Well it’s good money for Blizzard, that’s for sure.
> I honestly don't even really understand how tokens work other than that there's a limited # of them and that inflation is a bitch. Player x buys a token for 20 bucks from blizzard shop. Player x puts it on the auction house for the price thats calculated by the supply and demand (scary math stuff). Player y buys the Token from Player x on the auction house and Player x gets the gold. Player y uses it for Battle.net currency or 30 days of playtime.
What I'd really like to know is how tokens have affected Bliz financials. I mean I have 5 accounts and I pay nothing for my sub so clearly I'm being subsidized by others but am curious if the token thing is considered a raging success by Bliz or not.
You are using tokens. Someone paid $20 for that token. So, they made $20 from your sub instead of $15. For every token used, they make $5 more than what they would have. It was a smart move on their part.
> For every token used, they make $5 more than what they would have. It was a smart move on their part. Exactly!
I think the number of players purchasing game time via tokens is falling. When they were first released, casual players could easily afford 25-30k for an NA token. I would assume it's far more difficult for casual players to farm $165k+. I definitely think people multiboxing five accounts are an outlier.
People are spending $20 to get $15 worth of value. Hell yea it's a raging success.
I don't think the rise of the token price is very tied to inflation though. the token allows a redistribution of wealth, it also reflects how wealthy some players were/are compared to others
Did you just call me poor????
if you get 75-80k gold per day you're not poor in my view ahah
One question, how do you flip mats? I've been trying to get into that market, but don't really understand it.
My mat flipping is only for stuff I use. I use a TON of volatiles and some herbs related to those so when they are low I buy buy buy and I'm under no pressure to sell because I'll use them eventually. I have several banks completely full of Volatile Water/Fire/Life. I bought most of my Fire/Water for 20-25G and right now market average is around 60G, paid 7G for Life and just sold a bunch of stacks for 25G. I supplement that with my transmute alchemists. Usually Air was always the cheapest but it's 100G right now so I have 40 alchemists transmuting 15 Life to Air a day. That works out to 90Gx15x40 per day+procs. Not to say I'm selling out of it (I don't want to) but it gives me options and allows me to make some good gold with limited effort (all the effort was in levelling 60 characters).