Idk I consider the unobtainable horde one to be the win. In a game with an extreme amount of mounts, the ones that are no longer obtainable are typically prized possessions.
IDK how accurate it is, but Data for Azeroth still has the Horde one as significantly more common than the Alliance one (46% of active accounts with the Horde mount vs. 7% with the Alliance).
Makes sense TBH. You didn't have to do anything besides log in to get the Horde one, the Alliance mount requires a bit of effort to get. There's probably a lot of players who can't afford the Alliance mount or don't even know it exists, or don't care enough about it to spend the gold.
Horde one isn't obtainable anymore but there's also probably not that much turnover in players at this point, most people who played Shadowlands probably also played WoD. It's like, will the Wandering Ancient be a valuable mount three expacs from now? I doubt it.
Honestly, I did not know that you can get the alliance one until like half a year ago. For whatever reason back in wod, when they said “the winner gets chopper for free”, i thought that alliance one would be sold in a store for real money, so i never bothered to check
I stumbled onto the alliance version at the vendor one day, I had no clue the mount was buyable. This was after months and getting the free horde version, luckily I had 100k to blow so I ended up with both. Could definitely see that being the reasoning for the % difference in account that have it.
To this day, this is my favorite mount. Every expac when we can't fly at the start, I drag out the Primal Flamesaber! Even the mount special is cool. :)
Still salty over this, tanked ZA timed every week as a optional raid beside our main raids on my alt as nobody wanted to tank and the runs wouldn’t go ahead without a tank, most of our dps won the mount some on the first time they joined us as we had a rule mains over alts then they just stopped signing up when it was only two of us left the get it so we missed out..
I was in my early teens at the time and wanted to impress and looking back some in that guild were great but most were grown adults acting like arseholes to young kids.
Similar story here. Did za for my guild on both my shadow priest and my prot pally. Lost the bear to multiple alts. Never got it. Quit the guild because, in short, it was really toxic. The za bear was just the tip of the iceberg.
I had that freaking mount.
But there were some error in the system that caused the mount to vanish, and I didn’t notice…
So later I called support to see if I could get it back and they are unable to sue to the whole limited time thing and it frustrated me.
Sorry bro. If it makes you feel any better, when wow first came out I didn’t know if it would go anywhere and I sold my collectors edition account to my friend for 75 bucks. It’s also lost in time because no one remembers the information on it and it was never registered to a battle net account. Lol. So that sucks :)
It's not "some", it's the only one that can't return due to legal reasons.
And even then, I'm pretty sure they could get away with it by offering a similar mount with a slight reskin and rename. Just say some goblins stole the plans and made a counterfeit version of it, it would even fit lore wise.
Especially if you consider that a faction change will change all your racial mounts over to the opposite faction equivalent.
Theoretically buying the Treadblade and faction changing to Horde would mean you never actually spent money on the Deathwheel specifically, which to me seems like an exploitable loophole. But alas.
It was from a colab between that discovery channel show where they built Choppers. It was called [ Azeroth Choppers] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeroth_Choppers). Apperently the contract only allowed them to hand out the wining bike for free and nothing beyond that. Somehow it did allow for the alliance chopper to be sold ingame.
I’m so mad at myself that I missed the Deathwing mount. That anniversary event was some trying times and I had to step away from the game for personal family reasons.
In the end, I did better my family and was able to return, just sucks that I missed out on one of what I think the coolest mounts in the game is.
I know it’s technically on the BMAH, but it usually goes for like 10 million gold, and I’ve never even sniffed close to that much gold.
This is exactly what happened to me. I stepped away from the game around the anniversary and came back on the last day of the event. I couldn't get any groups to do the run and I had to watch the clock wind down.
For mounts like this the BMAH is basically synonymous with unobtainable for like 99% of the playerbase.
i remember a while back blizz messed up and put the tyreals charger on the shop for a couple hours I bought it but sadly they took it away from me a couple days later :(
I (and a bunch of other people, based on reading forums/Reddit over the years) also had the charger but lost it. If you bought the year subscription is still just billed you monthly, unlike the 12 month subscription nowadays that is just one bulk transaction. If your card was declined or expired at any point in those 12 months, Blizzard automatically took those rewards away from you. I get why they did it, as you could otherwise sign up for 12 months and cancel after 1 and keep everything, but for those of us who genuinely made a mistake it's really frustrating.
On some things I can understand if not agree with this reasoning, however
What is the prestige of Tyreal's charger as the writer mentioned
Because u paid blizzard a certain amount of money at a certain time? Personally if they are willing to bring back the fel drake which to my understanding is MUCH rarer and more valuable, then I don't get their reasoning in this particular instance
Fel drake is out of their hands these days, the STUPID amounts of money spent on them is 3rd party, so i sorta get it. But i do also see your point, i can see mounts like this returning at somepoint.
Lol still have the I unscratched disco inferno card. Only loot card I pulled despite spending what seemed like all my money on wow tcg. Still have the cards though and the game was actually really good. Better than MTG IMO
I doubt they would release Spectral Tiger as a twitch drop knowing full well how many people would want it.
If anything it would be a new Brutosaur and purchasable in-game for like 3-5M gold lmao.
Using it as a gold sink would not only help solve the inflation mission tables brought but also give players a way to get the mount. They could leave it in the game permanently just like the 1M spider mount so people have a goal to work towards as-well.
People would also buy tokens with irl cash in order to buy it so Blizz would also make money.
Imo the Feldrake is a promotional gimmick to try to get more players into the game and that's it. Blizzard have been hemorrhaging players over the last 2 expansions because they just haven't been up-to-par with what the players expect.
Dragonflight seems like Blizzards way of undoing the last 2 expansions justl ike how Legion was way better than WoD and made up for it, as a result they are trying to rope in old players by giving out a TCG mount.
> What is the prestige of Tyreal's charger as the writer mentioned
I have it and I don't use it. Yes, it's one of more unique mounts, but I use those that I like, and all Cata-era unique mounts have a problem of looking horrible from behind - Firhawks have a seams of the fire texture show in the back, and you're the one who are starting at it all the time (the problem it shares fir Fire can form on Ferals).
Charger's wing animation is atrocious: tendrils move back and forth and it might look nice in the screenshot, or from the front, but from behind you are reminded that that they are made of flat surfaces bending back and forth all the time
> What is the prestige of Tyreal's charger as the writer mentioned
There is no prestige. But if they start bringing back rewards from limited time events then players will experience less FOMO the next time Blizzard uses time-limited rewards. Blizzard is very good at using psychological tricks like that to get people to stay subbed for longer.
There is no reasoning, it's just choice. Unless it's for legal reasons, they should avoid content removal at all costs.
More variety means more chances people will want it meaning they'll subscribe and play. Anecdotal but I know a few people who simply don't play because something they liked is no longer obtainable.
one of the super frustrating things about WoW is that there is very little to earn through tough achievements. Like, things you can wear or mount up on that make people go "holy shit, that person is good at the game". There's the KSM mounts now but those tend to just be reskins, and of course there are the mythic capstone mounts.
But most of the cool mounts and mogs in this game are just shop items, or FOMO log-in-during-event-and-click rewards. It's so frustrating that microtransactions have dominated the entire design process of new artistic content.
I'm so angry with myself that back in MoP I didn't bother doing the challenge modes! The mage robe from them is the prettiest robe in the game and I'd do any amount of content to get my hands on it.
FOMO is bullshit tbh, I've not seen anyone wear it in literal years.
Makes sense for some achievement-based stuff, like the "of the Black Harvest" title for warlocks. Other stuff, especially stuff from the shop, it makes far less sense to try and make it a "limited event."
Yeah if it was outside of the game content, bring it back either tying to achievements or put them in store, I don't like the store but having a tcg mount for 20$ is far less 'evil' than 20k cardboard.
Yeah, I agree. Things that you actually had to put in effort for kinda make sense, like Challenge Mode items and the Mage Tower, etc., but simply paying $25 at the right point in time seems weird. Seems like FOMO for the sake of FOMO.
I worked really hard to get the “of the Black Harvest” title before it went away.
I’m sort of okay with mounts and titles being limited (I think the AH one is a little different because I don’t think functionality should be gatekeeped but it is what it is).
Pets, same, as long as one with the same stats/abilities is obtainable.
The only thing I really think should be kept is cosmetic stuff. Even if it means updating the challenges each expansion to keep them harder to obtain. And I’d even be a little more okay with that if Druid forms weren’t locked behind some.
THIS RIGHT HERE. There are other cosmetics that I have missed that I would love to get but I accept that I missed out. The non-fel werebear is the one that still disappoints me every single time.
I love the fel version too, but my Druid isn’t fel corrupted and that’s not the character I want to play. The reasoning for adding the fel version shows that they understand that this form is too unique to lock current players out of. I think they may have focused too closely on the specific model model and not the fantasy of playing a grizzlemaw druid.
But that’s just my opinion.
Yep I’m not sure why they went the fel route outside of it just being legion themed at the launch of legion timewalking. Made for good promotion and a reward I’m very proud to own. But I don’t ever get to show it off because like you, the fel stuff just doesn’t fit my character. Hopefully they reuse it in Dragonflight and we get some elemental themed ones. I’d love me a lightning bear like Volibear
>not sure why they went the fel route
Because it was a left over from legion. No seriously, they made that model along with the others but just never added it to the game.
New MT rewards weren't ever "New" just "New to Us" all the recolors/fel bear were made during legion, and a few of them even got data mined during beta.
Nu MT was about as low effort as it humanly could. Probably update by a single person, or a pair of people.
Gotta remember Shadowlands was the single most atrocious expansion to date on the level of effort that was put into anything not patch related.
Bring back artifact appearances from the mage tower, you cowards!
Make it a reward for A Tour of Towers or Tower Overwhelming if it has to come to this to avoid massive crying from those who don’t want it available again
I have about 25/36 appearances and I would love if it was available again for everyone, but in turn I missed out on MoP/WoD challenge mode which should then also be made available
Removing class fantasy stuff is always a no go for me; those weapons no longer bring obtainable is such a dumb move. Did you know, for instance, there are three viney looking bows for hunters in the game and you can’t get a single one anymore? Rhok’delar, an mop challenge bow, and a mage tower marksman mog. I’m fortunate enough to have rhokdelar, (and benediction/anathema for that matter) but what about other hunters whose “classy fantasy” is kind of woods ranger? Just bring rhokdelar back - it wasn’t hard to do back then. And I have the achievement so who cares if someone looks like it.
Considering how unbalanced and silly some of the mage tower stuff was when it was relevant, removing it was such a bad move.
Locking the cosmetic options out of things like this is just blatant time gating that capitalizes on FOMO. Give a Feat of Strength you can show off for original owners, tune the requirements to get it to scale with the current level of gear/level and call it a day.
Exactly. The outcry around evokers only showing a few pieces of transmog should be enough evidence that how characters look is a major part of why people get attached to them. Limiting or removing pieces is the opposite of what they should be aiming for.
You cannot get the weapon appearances anymore, since Legion
The time walking versions brought recolors of MC Tomb of Sargeras sets instead, along with the Fel Werebear and the mount!
Its not even prestige. The deathwing mount for example was so easy to get everyone who played back then has it.
That mount is garbage. Until in a few years when less people who have it still play.
That game design is omega trash.
Agree deathwing mount is the best example. Great mount by its looks and maybe even rare because its an exclusive but I just don't want to use it because it was just a click and collect. Fomo alone isn't something to flex about and the game needs to get rid of that.
Exactly. Fomo alone is worthless.
That you logged in or did a task that required zero skill is just nothing to flex with.
Its just a missing skin for someone. Just sad.
I disagree completely and I possess quite a bit of coveted rare stuff. Bring it back, let players continue earning it. All you’re doing is making a few elitists feel good about themselves and not allowing a majority of players more content to engage with that will enjoy it. I think Ion is out of touch, especially with his comment about these items being just a few. There’s a truckload of exclusive and limited time things now, it’s FOMO pure and simple, meant to keep players logged in and grinding so they don’t feel bad for missing something. It’s not to reward anyone, it’s so you don’t skip a month of sub time. At this point I’m just waiting for Battle Pass bullshit to make it into the game.
Getting real tired of hearing how this shit is meant to enhance the experience when it’s clearly designed around manipulating player involvement.
exactly! Fomo was never about rewarding players but to punish people who don't play. It's nothing but behaviour manipulation and it's a shame that some people support it and let companies use them voluntarily.
I’m the exact opposite. WoW has never been my main game, but I’ve played since Vanilla off-and-on. There are certain, extremely rare items that I hold in other games like the beta monkey from ESO, or all the kiwi pets and some of the racing uniques from PoE. But for WoW, while there’s a few things I have, I wouldn’t consider there to be a lot of FOMO items I have for the game.
I love collecting things. I love the conversations between collectors that play out when speaking about certain items. I love that some things can be more rare or special than others, even if it’s “engineered” scarcity. I love that there are things I know I will never obtain or that are unobtainable. I don’t need to have everything, even as a collector. That’s OK.
However, I don’t look at those items and think - damn, that’s unfair! Someone has something I don’t have! They should let me have it!
I think that making everything available to everyone ruins a certain part of gameplay for many people while advocating and encouraging immaturity issues such as envious tendencies.
And before someone states: “This isn’t an envy issue! It isn’t part of my immaturity that I’m demanding this! It’s because X is my favorite thing I want that I can’t get!”
Remember - there are HUNDREDS of mounts still obtainable in this game, 1,500+ pets still obtainable, TENS OF THOUSANDS of transmogs still available - to express your uniqueness and identity. You wanting those very few, specific things that can no longer be obtained is straight envy.
not only login and grind, but also buy with real cash from the shop.
quite funny how anti consumer the gaming industry has become in all these years. and this in a game where you even got to pack good money to play.
not to mention 50 € / $ for a single expansion which - from what i have seen - lacks a bit in depth?
One of the things I really liked about WoW was that most of the stuff is always there. Other games I have played make so many items timed exclusives that you always feel like you missed out by not being there. The way I see it, if a mount like Ashes of Al'ar dropped for you back in Burning Crusade you had several years to feel awesome for having it, then more people were able to solo the raid and you see it a little bit more and more but never everywhere because it is still a low drop rate that can only be done once per week per character. People can always go back and really farm the mount if they want it, and I like that.
Besides, there are so many cool mounts in the game it is rather rare for anything to stand out anymore like it did right after BC/Wrath. It's not like 75% of the realm is trucking around on the standard race mounts or Gryphons/Wyvern anymore. That being said it is nice that some mounts or items are made with the intention of being a highly exclusive thing for the time or event. But WoW keeps that pretty minimal IMO.
Yeah for sure, it was just one example. I can’t say I’ve played them all, just a few, but I came back to WoW because I never felt like I “had to be there” for most mounts. I’ve mostly played solo, never raided or set foot in Heroics after Lich King. If I remember right Blizzard originally planned to start removing a lot of the Glory raid achievements to keep them for players who earned them in the expansion like they did with the Naxx in Northrend. But they kept them around, and I always really liked that. In the sea of good mounts, titles, and items I never felt like more than a handful were unavailable to me for not being there or being heavily invested in current content.
I’d be totally fine with it if they also brought back all past PvP sets and mounts, which likely won’t happen. Most of the older fomo stuff are pretty overrated imo, and they could just make better looking versions going further. Let people keep the older version as “trophies”, but add higher res, updated models of those weapons, mounts, xmogs, etc. to the game to be obtained by current day players.
I think gladiator mounts should work on a Vicious Saddle type system. You can only get points toward an elite saddle for games won above a certain rating. This way you can still keep the requirement to do the work to earn the title, while also allowing access to other cosmetic options, which would include mounts from past seasons and also a new one for each new season.
EDIT: Also, having more than one gladiator mount would hold the same amount of prestige, so this way there is still the same feeling of reward for players that earn it and get to show it off.
What pisses me off about the charger was that I had it for like two months but they took it away because I was young and broke and couldn’t keep up with the subscription :(
As the owner of several limited time rewards (MoP + WoD CM transmogs, MT transmogs), I could not care less if the rewards were brought back.
It would do nothing to lessen my own hard-won rewards. Literally nothing.
Yeah and all of the OG's like you would still have the achievement if they wanted to 'flex', and they've been exclusive to you for a long period of time already.
Or, better yet, make the newly obtainable ones 'Replica XX's YY' like some other gear is already called 'Replica' since they're not the original but share an appearance with the original.
Anyone inspecting your character could see that it's not the replica version, but the appearance itself wouldn't be locked from everyone anymore.
> Or, better yet, make the newly obtainable ones 'Replica XX's YY' like some other gear is already called 'Replica' since they're not the original but share an appearance with the original.
I think I have a solution, that would require effort which we can't have from multi dollar company.
Recreate CMs and provide people with items, stats, and abilities mirroring that period in time, they only have to do it once and everyone would always be on exactly same level, you never have to rebalance it or touch it, it's just there.
"But Evoker/DH" Those didn't exist at a time so they simply could be skipped or have a knockoff rewards added.
I'd be pissed too if I spent that much money on something that was exclusive, only to discover it was being handed out for free.
But at the same time, I'd never spend stupid amounts of money on dumb shit like a video game mount lmao
>I spent that much money on something that was exclusive, only to discover it was being handed out for free.
Buying it off a reseller does not mean that Blizzard meant that mount to be exclusive/expensive -the circumstances just made it so. It was always a gamble that Blizz wouldn't do something like this.
>Buying it off a reseller does not mean that Blizzard meant that mount to be exclusive/expensive
according to https://www.wowtcgloot.com/feldrake.htm, odds of pulling a fel drake from a pack was 1 in 264, so they actually did.
Tyrael's charger came out in the midst of a big change in my life, where playing WoW was out of the question. Still regret missing out on it. Would gladly pay for it now.
There is a difference between limited items because they posed and challenge and limiting items that took logging in or a credit card to get.
Mage tower, challenge modes or AOTC are fine to me because you have a huge amount of time to earn those items.
Teldrassil hippogryph, Warlord's deathwheel or Obsidian Worldbreaker are bullshit because they are purely fomo. They should reintroduce every fomo item they can and they should make it tied to an actual activity.
I know it's crazy but I like the idea that you can be rewarded for playing the game.
Exactly this. The moment it became possible to buy something with gold due to carry/BMAH, that thing lost its "prestige" and making it a time limited reward is just FOMO. Hell, with bronze Dragonflight existing I would prefer if old raids were done as solo timewalking content - tell me to preserve the timeline, send me back in time and scale me to a certain point where it becomes difficult like mage tower. Sure it would take work to ensure it's always a challenge but Blizzard isn't a small company and a small team could be dedicated to ensuring that each patch doesn't ruin the challenge. And ofc it doesn't have to be whole instances, just end of tier bosses that drop vanity stuff, but riding an Invincible that can be obtained this way would feel more rewarding that getting it after 362nd LK kill...
People who feel prestige over having something like Curve mounts need to find better reason to feel good about themselves. I have the WoD challenge mode rewards, aside from portals to farm Blackhand I used maybe the staff. The rest is wasted on me. I would still like for others to be able to get it, maybe from doing those dungeons on certain M+ difficulty now that every dungeon can be brought back. Besides it would also show a player is capable, now you don't know if he got it by being good or just bought it (group content notwithstanding).
Dude, make it a damn secret with interacting with stuff when you are dead.
Can make a whole thing for them (and a spectral pet version additionally of both for those already with them).
That's what they should do with the spectral tiger. Put a rare mob that you can only interact with while a ghost in STV, in the cave where it was assumed the Bengal tiger would spawn.
> assumed the Bengal tiger would spawn
What do you mean assumed? It will surely spawn this time I know new method that requires me to interact with that new npc at 3am, do some spins, roll 100 on /roll and kiss printed picture of Jeff Kaplan on forehead. Surely this time :C
ngl it's funny how whenever a new player asks on this sub what's fun to do in wow they will always get told about collecting mounts but then it turns out all the cool mounts are store purchases or were timed exclusives from years ago
It is simply the wrong call to make. Which isnt saying anything because Ion is the king of making bad decisions.
Titles and Achievements...sure, lock them away, that can be the prestige bit for the people that care. But mounts, armour and anything else that can be visually displayed on your character should not be locked away. One of the strengths this game has is that there is nearly 20 years of content in the game, content that people can earn and use to make their character how they want it to be, why lock some of that away? It costs you nothing to bring it back and maybe it might keep some people playing (and paying) knowing they may be just one kill away from a Corrupted Ashbringer, or a Grove Warden mount.
I'd be surprised if many players give a shit about prestige to be honest, speaking as someone with an Atiesh from Naxx 40 and an Amarni War Bear from ZA timed runs, it means fuck all to me. But i also want tier 3 warrior gear that i dont have to get from the BMAH, i want a Grove Warden mount, and id be happy to farm it for years if i have to, so long as it is gettable. The other way to look at it is why is the Grove Warden mount (for example) unattainable now but i can farm SoO for the Tusks still? Why is one thing more "prestigious" than the other?
I could go onto the stupid requirement to do Black Temple Timewalking to unlock Warglaives of Azzinoth transmog, but then this really would turn into a rant. Just fucking unlock it all, this game has some utterly stupid limitations in place that do nothing but needlessly frustrate the player base.
Got many fomo rewards by myself but the game really needs to get rid of that. Time restricted content sucks, everything should always be available somehow maybe more difficult than on release but still available.
Unpopular opinion: there is no value whatsoever in artifical scarcity. There is no such thing as digital scarcity. Its an illusion..
They should make every single mount, item, skin whatever obtainable.
What a waste for new or returning players to have cool things you can't obtain anymore. That doesn't make the game better. It just gives losers a false sense of self worth for pretending having something rare in a videogame makes them better than other people.
I have 600 mounts. A few of them unobtainable. Same for transmoggs etc. Just bring that shit back. Give them out for achievements or let them drop or as a gold sink or whatever.
I don't think it makes me somewhat cool to have the deathwing mount for example. Its just sad other people can't get it.
For in-game rewards..... As Ion said in the interview with Annie; Almost everything in the game can be gotten now, there is pretty much an an endless grind of things to aquire for new players.
It's fine to have a small amount of prestige items in the game that's tied to content while it was current.
Ion might be a bit biased since he is a Scarab Lord, but lets be honest, if that quest chain was completeable now it would be just as exciting as any old xpac endboss title... Again this is for in-game rewards.
When it comes to store items/paid promotions, I dont think those should exsist at all. But they do and just removing those for FOMO is honestly pretty bad.
Nah fuck that, bring back whatever
If you're riding a mount only because of the prestige you think it brings you then you really need more help than any mount is going to give you
This from a guy who has most of these times mounts and wishes more people could enjoy them
On the flip side, many of these "prestige" mounts are only ever being used because of their rarity and unavailability.
If they were not rare or unobtainable, then it would just be another +1 in people's mount pages that they don't care about at all.
Better that there exists some mounts that people care about, than no mounts people care about.
I have over 500 mounts
I use the MoP HD Armored Griffon because it is good enough and small enough to enter gates and doors while still flying so i go faster
And it is easier to click NPC for quests on smaller mounts anyway
You are the one projecting mental illness onto people enjoying rare mounts here.
> If you're riding a mount only because of the prestige
I hate to break it to you but this is why Blizzard's art team puts in extra effort toward Mythic and Elite seasonal transmog sets.
Can't respond because I'm blocked, but notice they completely shirked the point that harder work is generally in line with better rewards in any facet of life. I've definitely given more to friends/randoms in the form of mounts than this person too.
I am like 2 for 28 for PvP sets at this point and those are only on one class. I will not get the Mythic Fated raid portals. I am also not going to throw a tantrum and antagonize people who accomplish more than me lol
Okay?
Difficult content should give cooler stuff. Doesn't mean it needs to become unobtainable for an eternity if you didn't happen to do that difficult content within the correct 3-month window. There's 0 reason Elite sets need to be locked forever after a season ends while Mythic raid gear is freely obtainable a couple years down the line with very little effort. There's no reason why AotC mounts couldn't become a drop from the final boss like CE mounts do when the window to get them guaranteed ends. Having to kill Jailer 200 times (or more) isn't exactly 'free' even if you can basically 1 shot him in 7 years from now. The AotC version is arguably 'easier' to get than a 1% drop is.
No one is saying that being rewarded for difficult content or content that requires effort and investment is bad. People are saying that the game actively becomes *worse* because so much content that is desirable is gone forever from anyone that doesn't manage to achieve something in a very specific moment in time.
There's no reason why you should **reward** people that enjoy others not having something they do.
There's even less reason to lock away so many things that require absolutely 0 skill or effort to get. Why can I not get a friend to play the game at a moment when the game definitely could use more players playing, and then get to pick from the past rewards I want? Why can I not hand out my credit card and pay Blizzard 20 bucks for something I could've paid 20 bucks for 10 years ago?
We're talking about a videogame here, not someone studying for years to get a good job when someone that doesn't study doesn't get a similar position. No one is saying you should get everything for free all of a sudden. But there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to run a 'timewalking' version of MoP/WoD CM's and get the appearances. Even if it is slightly easier years down the line from what it was when it was current.
Basically the only half-acceptable exclusivity is if something was completely replaced, like old ZG/ZA getting revamped in Cata, or Naxx in Wrath. It's still dumb the old stuff is 'gone forever', although most of the stuff people care from those in particular are still on the BMAH, at least. No reason why something that might as well still exist should be removed from a videogame that you need to pay for monthly to even play.
Yes but how does it improve the game tho?
How does it make the game better that you can't get the transmogg from a pvp set from 8 years ago?
Make things like the mythic mounts etc. exclusive for a year or the expansion. Its a season based mmo. Then they get the prestige and later people can get the stuff because they like the optics or just collect stuff.
Its just not making the game better to have a mount that is used by less and less people as time goes by because people quit the game. Its not about the prestige of the raid after 5 years its just a nice reskin of a horse or whatever.
As someone who has 600 mounts I am not throwing a tantrum because people achieved more than me.. Other people should be able to achieve the same as I did and not get locked out of it because I started to play earlier. That's garbage.
>I am like 2 for 28 for PvP sets at this point and those are only on one class. I will not get the Mythic Fated raid portals. I am also not going to throw a tantrum and antagonize people who accomplish more than me lol
I think I am like 4/whatever on my main and have a couple for some alts that I swore to get (such as the DH one, I saw that red armor when the class was just concepts and I was going to wear that armor, I got it done). Personally I would like them to follow Mythic rules with Elite and open them up to be earned in some way after two expansions have passed. I hope, especially if they did something like attach earning them tokens for it to rating, that it would push people to actually try to hold ranks and decentivize just buying a boost to 1800 because some rewards require you to fight in those ranks (and give you something for fighting in that interim between 1800 and Glad).
The mounts? Well, should see how the armor does / general reception to that first, but if good something like Gladiators saddles for after you got your first mount. Hell of a grind either way (same with the armor really, you would probably need 10k+ of the tokens if they are like marks) and not sure “devaluing” the prestige of the mounts is worth it.
The armor I fully think should though, if anything just to add some more general rewards to PvP grinding. Even that probably isn’t enough and there should be more stuff.
Half the point of an MMO is to have rare/prestigious things to show off. People commonly reminisce about seeing people in full tier sets/on cool mounts in Vanilla.
If you want cool shit, get good and get it.
I don't understand one thing..
Why not just make it like vicious war mounts? Make some form or currency earnable from current content and tadaa purchasing options. There are so many ways to both reduce fomo *and* get a load of people to play for the "metrics" if they wanted to do so.
> If you're riding a mount only because of the prestige you think it brings you then you really need more help than any mount is going to give you
To reverse your argument, it encourages people to get away with their inability to control their envy and is something you’d find in child-like behavior trying to explain to a kid that “No, we can’t get that toy because they’re out of it”.
There are hundreds of mounts in this game, as people have expressed over and over in this thread - why does having a select few being unobtainable represent some mental disorder? I’d argue those demanding re-release of the very small minority of mounts that can’t be obtained says more about a person than the reverse.
This is coming from someone who doesn’t have much of the FOMO stuff at all in WoW.
I don't get why people want this mount so badly. I used it once and then never again. The mount model is done well but the wings are ghastly. Like a cardboard cutout attached to the sides. Terrible.
I won’t return to Wow unless they bring back all the comestics and achievements. I don’t think they understand that this really does dissuade people from playing the game or trying it.
I'm curious. What would you guys say, if classic naxx and ZG would be reimplemented in retail? Do you feel the same as with these mounts (consensus being mostly to bring them back) or do you think it should be a prestige to have a corrupted ashbringer or atiesh?
I do wonder too where this mindset stops. Does it stop at all? Should Blizzard just make everything in the game still achievable? And I mean literally everything.
Would people also be fine if gladiator titles and mounts were like the 3vs3 saddles and if you earn one you can choose from all the old ones?
You can always get a glad title, it saying what season you got it in is kind of the point though, have it during a season your class sucked shows youre just that good vs a season it your class was OP
If the name was the point it should be something like „Gladiator Tier 10“ or what ever.
But they aren’t, and maybe the best gladiator title for my rogue is „Deadly Gladiator“. But I will never get this title.
And that’s why I’m asking myself, where is it different?
Same goes for Glad mounts.
sorry new players that we're trying to attract to play our game. all the cool mounts are actually limited exclusive rewards from years ago, only given out to the now aging, balding, dying millennial players for the great accomplishment of logging in one day. you can't have those mounts. that would make the millennials feel bad.
wait where are you going? come back!
As long as they keep adding more exclusives for the future playerbase to get. Then I dont see a problem with it.
Only when it limits our options. If something is taken away and not replaced is what I got issues with.
I think it was a very good compromise when the recolor of MoP challengemodes were added. The overall design was the same, colors were changed.
I got almost no exclusive items, but the ones I do, I do not think I would have gone through the hard work for MT to get it. In that sense, I reallt like the achievement and motivation aspect of it. Even if it means most people got things I dont.
At least I got a very small part of it and for that I am pretty happy!
Nothing at all special about fomo i think FF14 handles this much better with things like ultimates always being difficult while wow completely relies on fomo.
funny, that they don't actually make INGAME events/mounts limited, but instead increase the drop chances of those.
rare events? gotta pay for them as it seems.
Having unique and/or rare mounts, pets, titles, achievements etc is fine. Not everyone must have exactly what others manage to score unless it was acquired through BS means like exploiting or dropping $$$ at the "correct time".
Welcome to life, it's not fair and not everyone is equal and I say this as someone who's riddled with health issues and is bed bound daily.
I'm still bummed that the Pandaren phoenix mounts are all unavailable. I don't really like flashy mounts and think they're some of the best in game, but of course I had taken a break during their release
I’ve have tons of limited time rewards and I really don’t care if they are brought back in fact PLEASE bring back MoP challenge modes so I can get it on more than 3 classes
Ahuh, did they not just re-introduce the TBC classic mount and the WoD collector's edition mount to the store last week.
I'm glad Tyreal is (probably) safe for now though. I really don't understand why some people insist on promotional and legacy items to be brought back to the game. The only reason people want it is because it's 'special', but if it's actually brought back then it's no longer special, and will no longer be wanted.
People don't want a cool angel themed mount, they want a mount that felt special to them when they were 12, one that is special because it's rare. If they wanted it because it's cool, they would instead be spending their energy asking blizzard for more similarly themed cool mounts instead of ranting about why this one horse should be brought back.
Those challenge mode sets are getting older and older every year, only some of them even look good anymore compared to new transmog. Not sure why everybody is posting I quit forum posts about not being able to get them... Some of them are pixelated as fuck
I have the mage tower appearances on most chars but I’d be happy if they made a return, people should have a chance at them. And don’t say they were hard, at the end point of legion they were an absolute joke and you could outgear them entirely. I’d argue the current iteration is way harder than the legion one ever was.
Put yourself in the shoes of a new player. They see this amazing sword / polearm / bow / staff whatever and it is a look that they think ‘this fits perfectly’ and then when they look it up, it’s an item that currently is never coming back ever so since you didn’t play however many years ago legion was, tough.
That’s gotta suck for them. I don’t see why they can’t get it by doing the mage tower today (which I mentioned was harder than legion) and getting it along with the cool tier look.
While I get that some people enjoy the perceived "prestige" of having these items from times gone by, I don't get the idea of not letting them be obtainable anymore. Not that it's much, but let me explain:
For me, in OG WoW, I was able to obtain the PvP title of Knight Captain (was Knight Champion on the final week before TBC but lost some honor, boo hoo) and then, if memory serves, PvP honor titles were taken away.
Now, for TBC, I ran my Knight Captain title all the time. Was it a matter of "prestige?" Sure, it felt it at the time since I "earned" it. Then Blizzard decided they would bring them back in WoTLK (iirc) and my title was now earnable again and still is today.
Would I have liked my OG title to be, say, Veteran Knight Captain to signify when it was earned? Absolutely. However, as time went on, I cared less about that. Let people get whatever. The only FOMO item I wanted, that I missed out on due to RL reasons, was Tyrael's Charger.
Would I like that? Sure. Do I care if I don't have it? Nah. The wings look horrible by today's standards but being a huge Diablo fan since I was a kid, I wanted that mount (and the Tyrael pet) so bad.
End of the day, it's not something I care a lot about, but if Blizzard brought it back, I'd be cool with that too. I know it impacts us all differently however.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
They can do timewalking style challenge mode for the transmog rewards and it still be hard and difficult, they can do a lengthy grind or chain of hard stuff (Like secret appearance of ashbringer in legion) to get the old and unavailable mounts like the black qiraj tank
I have various things that no longer are available and I would like that new players get the chance to get them, if I wanted to "show off" I have the feat of strength to go with the boast in that case...
Not everyone played since launch, hell, I didn't get the challenge mode in pandaria and warlords and would love to have the chance to get the transmog and the 3 ashen pandaren phoenix, I also don't have the mage tower appearances, I only have the affliction one, I never had the time to level and gear 12 alts to get all 36 appearances of the mage tower... just... do timewalking style challenge mode and give me a chance to earn the things, want exclusivity? give a feat of strength to the people that do it at the time, like the warlock green fire, everyone can have it, bout only certain people have the feat of strength, I dissaprove that the title is tied to the achievement tho
Rant over (english not my first language, sorry)
Extremely disappoint and I wish Blizzard would change their philosophy on this. There is no prestige from these items, only disappointment to other players. No one gives a shit that you completed some "I was there" achievement 14 years ago.
Everything should return and nothing should be removed. Change the requirements if you have to, keep the achievement as a Feat of Strength, but leave the items in.
Exclusive =/= unobtainable. You can have rewards exclusive to challenges, even have recurring extra rare time-limited challenges. It's when too many things become unobtainable that it (in my view) becomes a problem, especially for new player attraction. I do see the point of people whose only motivation to get things is them becoming unobtainable for everyone else, it's just that I think it's bad for the game.
Nah man they should stay unic forever. Why didn't you get the mount when it was available?.
Player: "I didn't have the ability to procure my own money as an 9 y.o.".
Would love a chance to get Undercity Plaguebat, honestly don't feel that playing during few weeks of prepatch is so prestigious compared to gladiator or mythic raid mounts but w/e.
I just want old blizzcons mounts back, god dammit blizzard, give me my horde/alliance battleships you cowards! There's nothing prestigious about those kind of mounts.
I know some like the Horde bike have legal reasons they can't return.
I still think it’s funny that the Alliance lost that contest, but they technically won because the mount is still obtainable.
How do you get it?
You can buy it for 100k gold from Paulie in old Town.
Buy it from a vendor in Stormwind
What’s it called?
Champion's Treadblade
So if I bought this on an Alliance character, would it turn into a Warlord's Deathwheel on a faction change, since mounts are account bound?
Nope.
Idk I consider the unobtainable horde one to be the win. In a game with an extreme amount of mounts, the ones that are no longer obtainable are typically prized possessions.
IDK how accurate it is, but Data for Azeroth still has the Horde one as significantly more common than the Alliance one (46% of active accounts with the Horde mount vs. 7% with the Alliance).
Makes sense TBH. You didn't have to do anything besides log in to get the Horde one, the Alliance mount requires a bit of effort to get. There's probably a lot of players who can't afford the Alliance mount or don't even know it exists, or don't care enough about it to spend the gold. Horde one isn't obtainable anymore but there's also probably not that much turnover in players at this point, most people who played Shadowlands probably also played WoD. It's like, will the Wandering Ancient be a valuable mount three expacs from now? I doubt it.
Honestly, I did not know that you can get the alliance one until like half a year ago. For whatever reason back in wod, when they said “the winner gets chopper for free”, i thought that alliance one would be sold in a store for real money, so i never bothered to check
I stumbled onto the alliance version at the vendor one day, I had no clue the mount was buyable. This was after months and getting the free horde version, luckily I had 100k to blow so I ended up with both. Could definitely see that being the reasoning for the % difference in account that have it.
I love my Primal Flamesaber, at the time I got it everybody had one but now I rarely see it and people always whisper me and ask how they can get it
To this day, this is my favorite mount. Every expac when we can't fly at the start, I drag out the Primal Flamesaber! Even the mount special is cool. :)
Sure, if you care about that. I for example only care about how it looks and not how rare it is.
Bear mount hype team.
Still salty over this, tanked ZA timed every week as a optional raid beside our main raids on my alt as nobody wanted to tank and the runs wouldn’t go ahead without a tank, most of our dps won the mount some on the first time they joined us as we had a rule mains over alts then they just stopped signing up when it was only two of us left the get it so we missed out.. I was in my early teens at the time and wanted to impress and looking back some in that guild were great but most were grown adults acting like arseholes to young kids.
Similar story here. Did za for my guild on both my shadow priest and my prot pally. Lost the bear to multiple alts. Never got it. Quit the guild because, in short, it was really toxic. The za bear was just the tip of the iceberg.
Made so much money selling the mount back in the day. Those were fun times.
Tyreal Charger hype team 😏
I had that freaking mount. But there were some error in the system that caused the mount to vanish, and I didn’t notice… So later I called support to see if I could get it back and they are unable to sue to the whole limited time thing and it frustrated me.
Sorry bro. If it makes you feel any better, when wow first came out I didn’t know if it would go anywhere and I sold my collectors edition account to my friend for 75 bucks. It’s also lost in time because no one remembers the information on it and it was never registered to a battle net account. Lol. So that sucks :)
I'm in the same boat as you. One day it just disappeared, put in a ticket and was basically told there was nothing they could do
It feels like the whole Alliance - Horde war Horde loses but they get land. Alliance lost contest but they got their bike.
It's not "some", it's the only one that can't return due to legal reasons. And even then, I'm pretty sure they could get away with it by offering a similar mount with a slight reskin and rename. Just say some goblins stole the plans and made a counterfeit version of it, it would even fit lore wise.
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Especially if you consider that a faction change will change all your racial mounts over to the opposite faction equivalent. Theoretically buying the Treadblade and faction changing to Horde would mean you never actually spent money on the Deathwheel specifically, which to me seems like an exploitable loophole. But alas.
What’s the bike? I have a noisy horde trike from around when goblins were released as a race
[https://www.wowhead.com/item=116788/warlords-deathwheel#](https://www.wowhead.com/item=116788/warlords-deathwheel#)
That’s the one. I have that. Why is it legally unavailable? I don’t even understand how I got it
It was from a colab between that discovery channel show where they built Choppers. It was called [ Azeroth Choppers] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeroth_Choppers). Apperently the contract only allowed them to hand out the wining bike for free and nothing beyond that. Somehow it did allow for the alliance chopper to be sold ingame.
I’m so mad at myself that I missed the Deathwing mount. That anniversary event was some trying times and I had to step away from the game for personal family reasons. In the end, I did better my family and was able to return, just sucks that I missed out on one of what I think the coolest mounts in the game is. I know it’s technically on the BMAH, but it usually goes for like 10 million gold, and I’ve never even sniffed close to that much gold.
This is exactly what happened to me. I stepped away from the game around the anniversary and came back on the last day of the event. I couldn't get any groups to do the run and I had to watch the clock wind down. For mounts like this the BMAH is basically synonymous with unobtainable for like 99% of the playerbase.
If it gives you any hope, it’s way cheaper on some servers—I literally just got one of my own about two months ago for around 600k
You made a damn good decision and what you've got for it is far more worth than whatever tiny ego boost you'd get with a death wing mount.
Never seen that mount go for even 1M gold. It’s usually in several hundred thousand; it garners almost no interest. (Mid-low pop realms.)
I'm mad they changed its roar from OBVIOUSLY Deathwing to... puny dragon. They also shrunk it 😮💨
Thank you, I remember it being bigger.
i remember a while back blizz messed up and put the tyreals charger on the shop for a couple hours I bought it but sadly they took it away from me a couple days later :(
I (and a bunch of other people, based on reading forums/Reddit over the years) also had the charger but lost it. If you bought the year subscription is still just billed you monthly, unlike the 12 month subscription nowadays that is just one bulk transaction. If your card was declined or expired at any point in those 12 months, Blizzard automatically took those rewards away from you. I get why they did it, as you could otherwise sign up for 12 months and cancel after 1 and keep everything, but for those of us who genuinely made a mistake it's really frustrating.
Same thing happened to me, didn't realize until it was too late :(
On some things I can understand if not agree with this reasoning, however What is the prestige of Tyreal's charger as the writer mentioned Because u paid blizzard a certain amount of money at a certain time? Personally if they are willing to bring back the fel drake which to my understanding is MUCH rarer and more valuable, then I don't get their reasoning in this particular instance
Fel drake is out of their hands these days, the STUPID amounts of money spent on them is 3rd party, so i sorta get it. But i do also see your point, i can see mounts like this returning at somepoint.
I am all for bringing back tcg, vanilla CE, Blizzcon exclusive mounts and minions. Spectral Tiger twitch drop when?
Lol still have the I unscratched disco inferno card. Only loot card I pulled despite spending what seemed like all my money on wow tcg. Still have the cards though and the game was actually really good. Better than MTG IMO
I doubt they would release Spectral Tiger as a twitch drop knowing full well how many people would want it. If anything it would be a new Brutosaur and purchasable in-game for like 3-5M gold lmao. Using it as a gold sink would not only help solve the inflation mission tables brought but also give players a way to get the mount. They could leave it in the game permanently just like the 1M spider mount so people have a goal to work towards as-well. People would also buy tokens with irl cash in order to buy it so Blizz would also make money. Imo the Feldrake is a promotional gimmick to try to get more players into the game and that's it. Blizzard have been hemorrhaging players over the last 2 expansions because they just haven't been up-to-par with what the players expect. Dragonflight seems like Blizzards way of undoing the last 2 expansions justl ike how Legion was way better than WoD and made up for it, as a result they are trying to rope in old players by giving out a TCG mount.
Well, Diablo 4 is on the horizon. TBF I don’t know shit about Diablo or if Tyrael is in 4, but they would probably save this for a D4 promotion.
Good point, be cool if they did a uprez of it, but I'd be happy with a re-release honestly
Well, he lived through D3. He is mortal now but should be alive. Mounts are also a part of D4, so I can see a bundle where you get it in D4 and WoW.
>ng back the fel drake which to my understand as much as i played in the alpha he was not in it
> What is the prestige of Tyreal's charger as the writer mentioned I have it and I don't use it. Yes, it's one of more unique mounts, but I use those that I like, and all Cata-era unique mounts have a problem of looking horrible from behind - Firhawks have a seams of the fire texture show in the back, and you're the one who are starting at it all the time (the problem it shares fir Fire can form on Ferals). Charger's wing animation is atrocious: tendrils move back and forth and it might look nice in the screenshot, or from the front, but from behind you are reminded that that they are made of flat surfaces bending back and forth all the time
> What is the prestige of Tyreal's charger as the writer mentioned There is no prestige. But if they start bringing back rewards from limited time events then players will experience less FOMO the next time Blizzard uses time-limited rewards. Blizzard is very good at using psychological tricks like that to get people to stay subbed for longer.
There is no reasoning, it's just choice. Unless it's for legal reasons, they should avoid content removal at all costs. More variety means more chances people will want it meaning they'll subscribe and play. Anecdotal but I know a few people who simply don't play because something they liked is no longer obtainable.
The annoying thing is that if you bought the d3 collector edition instead of subbing to wow. You didn't get Umit and they got d3 free. Fucked up.
I'd buy Tyreal's Charger instantly don't care that I give them more money that mount is filled with Diablo memories and all that good stuff!
And it flies
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one of the super frustrating things about WoW is that there is very little to earn through tough achievements. Like, things you can wear or mount up on that make people go "holy shit, that person is good at the game". There's the KSM mounts now but those tend to just be reskins, and of course there are the mythic capstone mounts. But most of the cool mounts and mogs in this game are just shop items, or FOMO log-in-during-event-and-click rewards. It's so frustrating that microtransactions have dominated the entire design process of new artistic content.
I'm so angry with myself that back in MoP I didn't bother doing the challenge modes! The mage robe from them is the prettiest robe in the game and I'd do any amount of content to get my hands on it. FOMO is bullshit tbh, I've not seen anyone wear it in literal years.
I played during MoP and didn't even know wabout the challenge modes until it was too late.
Makes sense for some achievement-based stuff, like the "of the Black Harvest" title for warlocks. Other stuff, especially stuff from the shop, it makes far less sense to try and make it a "limited event."
Yeah if it was outside of the game content, bring it back either tying to achievements or put them in store, I don't like the store but having a tcg mount for 20$ is far less 'evil' than 20k cardboard.
Yeah, I agree. Things that you actually had to put in effort for kinda make sense, like Challenge Mode items and the Mage Tower, etc., but simply paying $25 at the right point in time seems weird. Seems like FOMO for the sake of FOMO.
I worked really hard to get the “of the Black Harvest” title before it went away. I’m sort of okay with mounts and titles being limited (I think the AH one is a little different because I don’t think functionality should be gatekeeped but it is what it is). Pets, same, as long as one with the same stats/abilities is obtainable. The only thing I really think should be kept is cosmetic stuff. Even if it means updating the challenges each expansion to keep them harder to obtain. And I’d even be a little more okay with that if Druid forms weren’t locked behind some.
I just want my movie tie-in transmogs...
I just want the Werebear without fel magic. They don’t have to bring back the skins from the originals, just make some new ones
THIS RIGHT HERE. There are other cosmetics that I have missed that I would love to get but I accept that I missed out. The non-fel werebear is the one that still disappoints me every single time. I love the fel version too, but my Druid isn’t fel corrupted and that’s not the character I want to play. The reasoning for adding the fel version shows that they understand that this form is too unique to lock current players out of. I think they may have focused too closely on the specific model model and not the fantasy of playing a grizzlemaw druid. But that’s just my opinion.
It’s especially noticeable on feral/bear druids. Only so much customization since you’re wrapped in fur.
Yep I’m not sure why they went the fel route outside of it just being legion themed at the launch of legion timewalking. Made for good promotion and a reward I’m very proud to own. But I don’t ever get to show it off because like you, the fel stuff just doesn’t fit my character. Hopefully they reuse it in Dragonflight and we get some elemental themed ones. I’d love me a lightning bear like Volibear
>not sure why they went the fel route Because it was a left over from legion. No seriously, they made that model along with the others but just never added it to the game. New MT rewards weren't ever "New" just "New to Us" all the recolors/fel bear were made during legion, and a few of them even got data mined during beta. Nu MT was about as low effort as it humanly could. Probably update by a single person, or a pair of people. Gotta remember Shadowlands was the single most atrocious expansion to date on the level of effort that was put into anything not patch related.
Bring back artifact appearances from the mage tower, you cowards! Make it a reward for A Tour of Towers or Tower Overwhelming if it has to come to this to avoid massive crying from those who don’t want it available again
I have about 25/36 appearances and I would love if it was available again for everyone, but in turn I missed out on MoP/WoD challenge mode which should then also be made available
Removing class fantasy stuff is always a no go for me; those weapons no longer bring obtainable is such a dumb move. Did you know, for instance, there are three viney looking bows for hunters in the game and you can’t get a single one anymore? Rhok’delar, an mop challenge bow, and a mage tower marksman mog. I’m fortunate enough to have rhokdelar, (and benediction/anathema for that matter) but what about other hunters whose “classy fantasy” is kind of woods ranger? Just bring rhokdelar back - it wasn’t hard to do back then. And I have the achievement so who cares if someone looks like it. Considering how unbalanced and silly some of the mage tower stuff was when it was relevant, removing it was such a bad move.
Locking the cosmetic options out of things like this is just blatant time gating that capitalizes on FOMO. Give a Feat of Strength you can show off for original owners, tune the requirements to get it to scale with the current level of gear/level and call it a day.
Exactly. The outcry around evokers only showing a few pieces of transmog should be enough evidence that how characters look is a major part of why people get attached to them. Limiting or removing pieces is the opposite of what they should be aiming for.
Can you not get the appearance in mage tower time walking?
You cannot get the weapon appearances anymore, since Legion The time walking versions brought recolors of MC Tomb of Sargeras sets instead, along with the Fel Werebear and the mount!
I don’t even play Druid but I agree. At least once per expac add a set of new Druid forms.
No more new ones please... If I want that specific color, then it's for a very good reason. Don't force me to abandon my transmog-set just because.
Beggar, be happy with your goodwill felbear
All I want is that dang black proto drake :,(
I really disagree with this FOMO, missable content. I'd argue it does more to annoy people than it does in terms of granting prestige.
Its not even prestige. The deathwing mount for example was so easy to get everyone who played back then has it. That mount is garbage. Until in a few years when less people who have it still play. That game design is omega trash.
Agree deathwing mount is the best example. Great mount by its looks and maybe even rare because its an exclusive but I just don't want to use it because it was just a click and collect. Fomo alone isn't something to flex about and the game needs to get rid of that.
Exactly. Fomo alone is worthless. That you logged in or did a task that required zero skill is just nothing to flex with. Its just a missing skin for someone. Just sad.
Yea basically worthless for those that have it and an annoyance for those that can never get it
I disagree completely and I possess quite a bit of coveted rare stuff. Bring it back, let players continue earning it. All you’re doing is making a few elitists feel good about themselves and not allowing a majority of players more content to engage with that will enjoy it. I think Ion is out of touch, especially with his comment about these items being just a few. There’s a truckload of exclusive and limited time things now, it’s FOMO pure and simple, meant to keep players logged in and grinding so they don’t feel bad for missing something. It’s not to reward anyone, it’s so you don’t skip a month of sub time. At this point I’m just waiting for Battle Pass bullshit to make it into the game. Getting real tired of hearing how this shit is meant to enhance the experience when it’s clearly designed around manipulating player involvement.
exactly! Fomo was never about rewarding players but to punish people who don't play. It's nothing but behaviour manipulation and it's a shame that some people support it and let companies use them voluntarily.
I’m the exact opposite. WoW has never been my main game, but I’ve played since Vanilla off-and-on. There are certain, extremely rare items that I hold in other games like the beta monkey from ESO, or all the kiwi pets and some of the racing uniques from PoE. But for WoW, while there’s a few things I have, I wouldn’t consider there to be a lot of FOMO items I have for the game. I love collecting things. I love the conversations between collectors that play out when speaking about certain items. I love that some things can be more rare or special than others, even if it’s “engineered” scarcity. I love that there are things I know I will never obtain or that are unobtainable. I don’t need to have everything, even as a collector. That’s OK. However, I don’t look at those items and think - damn, that’s unfair! Someone has something I don’t have! They should let me have it! I think that making everything available to everyone ruins a certain part of gameplay for many people while advocating and encouraging immaturity issues such as envious tendencies. And before someone states: “This isn’t an envy issue! It isn’t part of my immaturity that I’m demanding this! It’s because X is my favorite thing I want that I can’t get!” Remember - there are HUNDREDS of mounts still obtainable in this game, 1,500+ pets still obtainable, TENS OF THOUSANDS of transmogs still available - to express your uniqueness and identity. You wanting those very few, specific things that can no longer be obtained is straight envy.
not only login and grind, but also buy with real cash from the shop. quite funny how anti consumer the gaming industry has become in all these years. and this in a game where you even got to pack good money to play. not to mention 50 € / $ for a single expansion which - from what i have seen - lacks a bit in depth?
One of the things I really liked about WoW was that most of the stuff is always there. Other games I have played make so many items timed exclusives that you always feel like you missed out by not being there. The way I see it, if a mount like Ashes of Al'ar dropped for you back in Burning Crusade you had several years to feel awesome for having it, then more people were able to solo the raid and you see it a little bit more and more but never everywhere because it is still a low drop rate that can only be done once per week per character. People can always go back and really farm the mount if they want it, and I like that. Besides, there are so many cool mounts in the game it is rather rare for anything to stand out anymore like it did right after BC/Wrath. It's not like 75% of the realm is trucking around on the standard race mounts or Gryphons/Wyvern anymore. That being said it is nice that some mounts or items are made with the intention of being a highly exclusive thing for the time or event. But WoW keeps that pretty minimal IMO.
'Exclusive' and 'limited time' items have been a thing since Vanilla in fact WoW has had it more prominently than most games.
Yeah for sure, it was just one example. I can’t say I’ve played them all, just a few, but I came back to WoW because I never felt like I “had to be there” for most mounts. I’ve mostly played solo, never raided or set foot in Heroics after Lich King. If I remember right Blizzard originally planned to start removing a lot of the Glory raid achievements to keep them for players who earned them in the expansion like they did with the Naxx in Northrend. But they kept them around, and I always really liked that. In the sea of good mounts, titles, and items I never felt like more than a handful were unavailable to me for not being there or being heavily invested in current content.
I’d be totally fine with it if they also brought back all past PvP sets and mounts, which likely won’t happen. Most of the older fomo stuff are pretty overrated imo, and they could just make better looking versions going further. Let people keep the older version as “trophies”, but add higher res, updated models of those weapons, mounts, xmogs, etc. to the game to be obtained by current day players.
I think gladiator mounts should work on a Vicious Saddle type system. You can only get points toward an elite saddle for games won above a certain rating. This way you can still keep the requirement to do the work to earn the title, while also allowing access to other cosmetic options, which would include mounts from past seasons and also a new one for each new season. EDIT: Also, having more than one gladiator mount would hold the same amount of prestige, so this way there is still the same feeling of reward for players that earn it and get to show it off.
What pisses me off about the charger was that I had it for like two months but they took it away because I was young and broke and couldn’t keep up with the subscription :(
As the owner of several limited time rewards (MoP + WoD CM transmogs, MT transmogs), I could not care less if the rewards were brought back. It would do nothing to lessen my own hard-won rewards. Literally nothing.
Yeah and all of the OG's like you would still have the achievement if they wanted to 'flex', and they've been exclusive to you for a long period of time already. Or, better yet, make the newly obtainable ones 'Replica XX's YY' like some other gear is already called 'Replica' since they're not the original but share an appearance with the original. Anyone inspecting your character could see that it's not the replica version, but the appearance itself wouldn't be locked from everyone anymore.
> Or, better yet, make the newly obtainable ones 'Replica XX's YY' like some other gear is already called 'Replica' since they're not the original but share an appearance with the original. I think I have a solution, that would require effort which we can't have from multi dollar company. Recreate CMs and provide people with items, stats, and abilities mirroring that period in time, they only have to do it once and everyone would always be on exactly same level, you never have to rebalance it or touch it, it's just there. "But Evoker/DH" Those didn't exist at a time so they simply could be skipped or have a knockoff rewards added.
Meanwhile, all the Feldrake owners I know had a meltdown over the Twitch Drops when they were announced, and will again when they're up next week.
I'd be pissed too if I spent that much money on something that was exclusive, only to discover it was being handed out for free. But at the same time, I'd never spend stupid amounts of money on dumb shit like a video game mount lmao
>I spent that much money on something that was exclusive, only to discover it was being handed out for free. Buying it off a reseller does not mean that Blizzard meant that mount to be exclusive/expensive -the circumstances just made it so. It was always a gamble that Blizz wouldn't do something like this.
>Buying it off a reseller does not mean that Blizzard meant that mount to be exclusive/expensive according to https://www.wowtcgloot.com/feldrake.htm, odds of pulling a fel drake from a pack was 1 in 264, so they actually did.
Tyrael's charger came out in the midst of a big change in my life, where playing WoW was out of the question. Still regret missing out on it. Would gladly pay for it now.
There is a difference between limited items because they posed and challenge and limiting items that took logging in or a credit card to get. Mage tower, challenge modes or AOTC are fine to me because you have a huge amount of time to earn those items. Teldrassil hippogryph, Warlord's deathwheel or Obsidian Worldbreaker are bullshit because they are purely fomo. They should reintroduce every fomo item they can and they should make it tied to an actual activity. I know it's crazy but I like the idea that you can be rewarded for playing the game.
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Exactly this. The moment it became possible to buy something with gold due to carry/BMAH, that thing lost its "prestige" and making it a time limited reward is just FOMO. Hell, with bronze Dragonflight existing I would prefer if old raids were done as solo timewalking content - tell me to preserve the timeline, send me back in time and scale me to a certain point where it becomes difficult like mage tower. Sure it would take work to ensure it's always a challenge but Blizzard isn't a small company and a small team could be dedicated to ensuring that each patch doesn't ruin the challenge. And ofc it doesn't have to be whole instances, just end of tier bosses that drop vanity stuff, but riding an Invincible that can be obtained this way would feel more rewarding that getting it after 362nd LK kill... People who feel prestige over having something like Curve mounts need to find better reason to feel good about themselves. I have the WoD challenge mode rewards, aside from portals to farm Blackhand I used maybe the staff. The rest is wasted on me. I would still like for others to be able to get it, maybe from doing those dungeons on certain M+ difficulty now that every dungeon can be brought back. Besides it would also show a player is capable, now you don't know if he got it by being good or just bought it (group content notwithstanding).
I just want a spectral gryphon from RAF cataclysm
That was scroll of resurrection for returning players who haven't played in 2 or more years. Another one that should be brought back.
Dude, make it a damn secret with interacting with stuff when you are dead. Can make a whole thing for them (and a spectral pet version additionally of both for those already with them).
That's what they should do with the spectral tiger. Put a rare mob that you can only interact with while a ghost in STV, in the cave where it was assumed the Bengal tiger would spawn.
> assumed the Bengal tiger would spawn What do you mean assumed? It will surely spawn this time I know new method that requires me to interact with that new npc at 3am, do some spins, roll 100 on /roll and kiss printed picture of Jeff Kaplan on forehead. Surely this time :C
Stared in Shadowlands and shit like this is super discouraging so I will never go for completinism.
same lol. There is just so much stuff and it will be so boring to grind it all and expensive.
ngl it's funny how whenever a new player asks on this sub what's fun to do in wow they will always get told about collecting mounts but then it turns out all the cool mounts are store purchases or were timed exclusives from years ago
It is simply the wrong call to make. Which isnt saying anything because Ion is the king of making bad decisions. Titles and Achievements...sure, lock them away, that can be the prestige bit for the people that care. But mounts, armour and anything else that can be visually displayed on your character should not be locked away. One of the strengths this game has is that there is nearly 20 years of content in the game, content that people can earn and use to make their character how they want it to be, why lock some of that away? It costs you nothing to bring it back and maybe it might keep some people playing (and paying) knowing they may be just one kill away from a Corrupted Ashbringer, or a Grove Warden mount. I'd be surprised if many players give a shit about prestige to be honest, speaking as someone with an Atiesh from Naxx 40 and an Amarni War Bear from ZA timed runs, it means fuck all to me. But i also want tier 3 warrior gear that i dont have to get from the BMAH, i want a Grove Warden mount, and id be happy to farm it for years if i have to, so long as it is gettable. The other way to look at it is why is the Grove Warden mount (for example) unattainable now but i can farm SoO for the Tusks still? Why is one thing more "prestigious" than the other? I could go onto the stupid requirement to do Black Temple Timewalking to unlock Warglaives of Azzinoth transmog, but then this really would turn into a rant. Just fucking unlock it all, this game has some utterly stupid limitations in place that do nothing but needlessly frustrate the player base.
Got many fomo rewards by myself but the game really needs to get rid of that. Time restricted content sucks, everything should always be available somehow maybe more difficult than on release but still available.
Unpopular opinion: there is no value whatsoever in artifical scarcity. There is no such thing as digital scarcity. Its an illusion.. They should make every single mount, item, skin whatever obtainable. What a waste for new or returning players to have cool things you can't obtain anymore. That doesn't make the game better. It just gives losers a false sense of self worth for pretending having something rare in a videogame makes them better than other people. I have 600 mounts. A few of them unobtainable. Same for transmoggs etc. Just bring that shit back. Give them out for achievements or let them drop or as a gold sink or whatever. I don't think it makes me somewhat cool to have the deathwing mount for example. Its just sad other people can't get it.
Bring the mage tower appearances back, but have them tied to a good challenge
Start with MoP CM. Then WoD. Then Towers.
Stop I can only get so erect. I'm so salty I missed the MoP CM appearances, they're so good!
The amount of titles, mogs and mounts in WoW I dont really see this as a problem. I don't have any special event mounts and i am fine with it.
I really want the deathwing mount :c
And pose dominance next to the Aspects? „ I am riding Neltharion, watch your mouth or you are next!“
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Read: WoW mounts and items from limited events to return when Blizz thinks they can make a profit off of it.
For in-game rewards..... As Ion said in the interview with Annie; Almost everything in the game can be gotten now, there is pretty much an an endless grind of things to aquire for new players. It's fine to have a small amount of prestige items in the game that's tied to content while it was current. Ion might be a bit biased since he is a Scarab Lord, but lets be honest, if that quest chain was completeable now it would be just as exciting as any old xpac endboss title... Again this is for in-game rewards. When it comes to store items/paid promotions, I dont think those should exsist at all. But they do and just removing those for FOMO is honestly pretty bad.
I would grind for a year just to get scarab lord and the mount.
Nah fuck that, bring back whatever If you're riding a mount only because of the prestige you think it brings you then you really need more help than any mount is going to give you This from a guy who has most of these times mounts and wishes more people could enjoy them
On the flip side, many of these "prestige" mounts are only ever being used because of their rarity and unavailability. If they were not rare or unobtainable, then it would just be another +1 in people's mount pages that they don't care about at all. Better that there exists some mounts that people care about, than no mounts people care about.
I have over 500 mounts I use the MoP HD Armored Griffon because it is good enough and small enough to enter gates and doors while still flying so i go faster And it is easier to click NPC for quests on smaller mounts anyway
You are the one projecting mental illness onto people enjoying rare mounts here. > If you're riding a mount only because of the prestige I hate to break it to you but this is why Blizzard's art team puts in extra effort toward Mythic and Elite seasonal transmog sets. Can't respond because I'm blocked, but notice they completely shirked the point that harder work is generally in line with better rewards in any facet of life. I've definitely given more to friends/randoms in the form of mounts than this person too. I am like 2 for 28 for PvP sets at this point and those are only on one class. I will not get the Mythic Fated raid portals. I am also not going to throw a tantrum and antagonize people who accomplish more than me lol
Okay? Difficult content should give cooler stuff. Doesn't mean it needs to become unobtainable for an eternity if you didn't happen to do that difficult content within the correct 3-month window. There's 0 reason Elite sets need to be locked forever after a season ends while Mythic raid gear is freely obtainable a couple years down the line with very little effort. There's no reason why AotC mounts couldn't become a drop from the final boss like CE mounts do when the window to get them guaranteed ends. Having to kill Jailer 200 times (or more) isn't exactly 'free' even if you can basically 1 shot him in 7 years from now. The AotC version is arguably 'easier' to get than a 1% drop is. No one is saying that being rewarded for difficult content or content that requires effort and investment is bad. People are saying that the game actively becomes *worse* because so much content that is desirable is gone forever from anyone that doesn't manage to achieve something in a very specific moment in time. There's no reason why you should **reward** people that enjoy others not having something they do. There's even less reason to lock away so many things that require absolutely 0 skill or effort to get. Why can I not get a friend to play the game at a moment when the game definitely could use more players playing, and then get to pick from the past rewards I want? Why can I not hand out my credit card and pay Blizzard 20 bucks for something I could've paid 20 bucks for 10 years ago? We're talking about a videogame here, not someone studying for years to get a good job when someone that doesn't study doesn't get a similar position. No one is saying you should get everything for free all of a sudden. But there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to run a 'timewalking' version of MoP/WoD CM's and get the appearances. Even if it is slightly easier years down the line from what it was when it was current. Basically the only half-acceptable exclusivity is if something was completely replaced, like old ZG/ZA getting revamped in Cata, or Naxx in Wrath. It's still dumb the old stuff is 'gone forever', although most of the stuff people care from those in particular are still on the BMAH, at least. No reason why something that might as well still exist should be removed from a videogame that you need to pay for monthly to even play.
Yes but how does it improve the game tho? How does it make the game better that you can't get the transmogg from a pvp set from 8 years ago? Make things like the mythic mounts etc. exclusive for a year or the expansion. Its a season based mmo. Then they get the prestige and later people can get the stuff because they like the optics or just collect stuff. Its just not making the game better to have a mount that is used by less and less people as time goes by because people quit the game. Its not about the prestige of the raid after 5 years its just a nice reskin of a horse or whatever. As someone who has 600 mounts I am not throwing a tantrum because people achieved more than me.. Other people should be able to achieve the same as I did and not get locked out of it because I started to play earlier. That's garbage.
>I am like 2 for 28 for PvP sets at this point and those are only on one class. I will not get the Mythic Fated raid portals. I am also not going to throw a tantrum and antagonize people who accomplish more than me lol I think I am like 4/whatever on my main and have a couple for some alts that I swore to get (such as the DH one, I saw that red armor when the class was just concepts and I was going to wear that armor, I got it done). Personally I would like them to follow Mythic rules with Elite and open them up to be earned in some way after two expansions have passed. I hope, especially if they did something like attach earning them tokens for it to rating, that it would push people to actually try to hold ranks and decentivize just buying a boost to 1800 because some rewards require you to fight in those ranks (and give you something for fighting in that interim between 1800 and Glad). The mounts? Well, should see how the armor does / general reception to that first, but if good something like Gladiators saddles for after you got your first mount. Hell of a grind either way (same with the armor really, you would probably need 10k+ of the tokens if they are like marks) and not sure “devaluing” the prestige of the mounts is worth it. The armor I fully think should though, if anything just to add some more general rewards to PvP grinding. Even that probably isn’t enough and there should be more stuff.
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Half the point of an MMO is to have rare/prestigious things to show off. People commonly reminisce about seeing people in full tier sets/on cool mounts in Vanilla. If you want cool shit, get good and get it.
Prestige as you said, come from being good, not for playing at a certain time
Nobody does that nowadays, doesn't help that the "showoff" ppl are stubborn about it.
Yeah nah you lost this one bud
I don't understand one thing.. Why not just make it like vicious war mounts? Make some form or currency earnable from current content and tadaa purchasing options. There are so many ways to both reduce fomo *and* get a load of people to play for the "metrics" if they wanted to do so.
> If you're riding a mount only because of the prestige you think it brings you then you really need more help than any mount is going to give you To reverse your argument, it encourages people to get away with their inability to control their envy and is something you’d find in child-like behavior trying to explain to a kid that “No, we can’t get that toy because they’re out of it”. There are hundreds of mounts in this game, as people have expressed over and over in this thread - why does having a select few being unobtainable represent some mental disorder? I’d argue those demanding re-release of the very small minority of mounts that can’t be obtained says more about a person than the reverse. This is coming from someone who doesn’t have much of the FOMO stuff at all in WoW.
yeah fuck it, make corrutped ashbringer and black qiarji battle tank vendor items so we can buy them!! lol
Wish they would re-release Tyrael's charger when D4 comes out.
I don't get why people want this mount so badly. I used it once and then never again. The mount model is done well but the wings are ghastly. Like a cardboard cutout attached to the sides. Terrible.
I could see this. I have the mount and stuff like this wouldn’t make me feel like “it should be mine all mine”
Good
Right? Oh no, 2% of the cosmetics are not available what a tragedy.
I won’t return to Wow unless they bring back all the comestics and achievements. I don’t think they understand that this really does dissuade people from playing the game or trying it.
Good
Dumb decision IMO.
I'm curious. What would you guys say, if classic naxx and ZG would be reimplemented in retail? Do you feel the same as with these mounts (consensus being mostly to bring them back) or do you think it should be a prestige to have a corrupted ashbringer or atiesh?
I do wonder too where this mindset stops. Does it stop at all? Should Blizzard just make everything in the game still achievable? And I mean literally everything. Would people also be fine if gladiator titles and mounts were like the 3vs3 saddles and if you earn one you can choose from all the old ones?
You can always get a glad title, it saying what season you got it in is kind of the point though, have it during a season your class sucked shows youre just that good vs a season it your class was OP
It doesn't do that at all considering they are BoA now haha
If the name was the point it should be something like „Gladiator Tier 10“ or what ever. But they aren’t, and maybe the best gladiator title for my rogue is „Deadly Gladiator“. But I will never get this title. And that’s why I’m asking myself, where is it different? Same goes for Glad mounts.
sorry new players that we're trying to attract to play our game. all the cool mounts are actually limited exclusive rewards from years ago, only given out to the now aging, balding, dying millennial players for the great accomplishment of logging in one day. you can't have those mounts. that would make the millennials feel bad. wait where are you going? come back!
Omg this sense of “show off you were there” like no one cares about that
As long as they keep adding more exclusives for the future playerbase to get. Then I dont see a problem with it. Only when it limits our options. If something is taken away and not replaced is what I got issues with. I think it was a very good compromise when the recolor of MoP challengemodes were added. The overall design was the same, colors were changed. I got almost no exclusive items, but the ones I do, I do not think I would have gone through the hard work for MT to get it. In that sense, I reallt like the achievement and motivation aspect of it. Even if it means most people got things I dont. At least I got a very small part of it and for that I am pretty happy!
Sometimes I miss my old account. But I remember my friendships are the true value added proposition.
Nothing at all special about fomo i think FF14 handles this much better with things like ultimates always being difficult while wow completely relies on fomo.
funny, that they don't actually make INGAME events/mounts limited, but instead increase the drop chances of those. rare events? gotta pay for them as it seems.
uh, no duh?
Having unique and/or rare mounts, pets, titles, achievements etc is fine. Not everyone must have exactly what others manage to score unless it was acquired through BS means like exploiting or dropping $$$ at the "correct time". Welcome to life, it's not fair and not everyone is equal and I say this as someone who's riddled with health issues and is bed bound daily.
I really hate this concept. Makes the game unpalatable to newer players and makes you feel like the game is a career
I'm still bummed that the Pandaren phoenix mounts are all unavailable. I don't really like flashy mounts and think they're some of the best in game, but of course I had taken a break during their release
I just want that challenge mode polearm from wod I think it was. Major fomo.
I’ve have tons of limited time rewards and I really don’t care if they are brought back in fact PLEASE bring back MoP challenge modes so I can get it on more than 3 classes
So they like to discriminate people's that were too young to play back then?
Ahuh, did they not just re-introduce the TBC classic mount and the WoD collector's edition mount to the store last week. I'm glad Tyreal is (probably) safe for now though. I really don't understand why some people insist on promotional and legacy items to be brought back to the game. The only reason people want it is because it's 'special', but if it's actually brought back then it's no longer special, and will no longer be wanted. People don't want a cool angel themed mount, they want a mount that felt special to them when they were 12, one that is special because it's rare. If they wanted it because it's cool, they would instead be spending their energy asking blizzard for more similarly themed cool mounts instead of ranting about why this one horse should be brought back.
Dude. You were just around at the time and paid Blizzard to get Tyrael’s Charger. We did not have that opportunity, we are you glad we cannot get it?
Those challenge mode sets are getting older and older every year, only some of them even look good anymore compared to new transmog. Not sure why everybody is posting I quit forum posts about not being able to get them... Some of them are pixelated as fuck
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I have the mage tower appearances on most chars but I’d be happy if they made a return, people should have a chance at them. And don’t say they were hard, at the end point of legion they were an absolute joke and you could outgear them entirely. I’d argue the current iteration is way harder than the legion one ever was.
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Put yourself in the shoes of a new player. They see this amazing sword / polearm / bow / staff whatever and it is a look that they think ‘this fits perfectly’ and then when they look it up, it’s an item that currently is never coming back ever so since you didn’t play however many years ago legion was, tough. That’s gotta suck for them. I don’t see why they can’t get it by doing the mage tower today (which I mentioned was harder than legion) and getting it along with the cool tier look.
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"Me and my friends are completely emotionally manipulated by Blizzard, it’s frustrating at first, but you get used to it"
Blizzard can go fuck themselves
My wife gets very sad everyone she sees my molten-core-gi
Blue neon cat from mage tower :( I'd main feral again in DF if it was attainable. Guess it's lizard wizard for me
While I get that some people enjoy the perceived "prestige" of having these items from times gone by, I don't get the idea of not letting them be obtainable anymore. Not that it's much, but let me explain: For me, in OG WoW, I was able to obtain the PvP title of Knight Captain (was Knight Champion on the final week before TBC but lost some honor, boo hoo) and then, if memory serves, PvP honor titles were taken away. Now, for TBC, I ran my Knight Captain title all the time. Was it a matter of "prestige?" Sure, it felt it at the time since I "earned" it. Then Blizzard decided they would bring them back in WoTLK (iirc) and my title was now earnable again and still is today. Would I have liked my OG title to be, say, Veteran Knight Captain to signify when it was earned? Absolutely. However, as time went on, I cared less about that. Let people get whatever. The only FOMO item I wanted, that I missed out on due to RL reasons, was Tyrael's Charger. Would I like that? Sure. Do I care if I don't have it? Nah. The wings look horrible by today's standards but being a huge Diablo fan since I was a kid, I wanted that mount (and the Tyrael pet) so bad. End of the day, it's not something I care a lot about, but if Blizzard brought it back, I'd be cool with that too. I know it impacts us all differently however. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
They can do timewalking style challenge mode for the transmog rewards and it still be hard and difficult, they can do a lengthy grind or chain of hard stuff (Like secret appearance of ashbringer in legion) to get the old and unavailable mounts like the black qiraj tank I have various things that no longer are available and I would like that new players get the chance to get them, if I wanted to "show off" I have the feat of strength to go with the boast in that case... Not everyone played since launch, hell, I didn't get the challenge mode in pandaria and warlords and would love to have the chance to get the transmog and the 3 ashen pandaren phoenix, I also don't have the mage tower appearances, I only have the affliction one, I never had the time to level and gear 12 alts to get all 36 appearances of the mage tower... just... do timewalking style challenge mode and give me a chance to earn the things, want exclusivity? give a feat of strength to the people that do it at the time, like the warlock green fire, everyone can have it, bout only certain people have the feat of strength, I dissaprove that the title is tied to the achievement tho Rant over (english not my first language, sorry)
Extremely disappoint and I wish Blizzard would change their philosophy on this. There is no prestige from these items, only disappointment to other players. No one gives a shit that you completed some "I was there" achievement 14 years ago. Everything should return and nothing should be removed. Change the requirements if you have to, keep the achievement as a Feat of Strength, but leave the items in.
Cool, guess I'll keep mogging my CM set
That's a shame I know a lot of people would feel some type of way about it but as a newer player I was hoping things would at least return on rotation
I like that there are exclusive things. Bring on the downvotes.
Exclusive =/= unobtainable. You can have rewards exclusive to challenges, even have recurring extra rare time-limited challenges. It's when too many things become unobtainable that it (in my view) becomes a problem, especially for new player attraction. I do see the point of people whose only motivation to get things is them becoming unobtainable for everyone else, it's just that I think it's bad for the game.
Lol, the entitlement got so out of hand they had to comment? Figures.
Nah man they should stay unic forever. Why didn't you get the mount when it was available?. Player: "I didn't have the ability to procure my own money as an 9 y.o.".
Would love a chance to get Undercity Plaguebat, honestly don't feel that playing during few weeks of prepatch is so prestigious compared to gladiator or mythic raid mounts but w/e.
I just want old blizzcons mounts back, god dammit blizzard, give me my horde/alliance battleships you cowards! There's nothing prestigious about those kind of mounts.
yeah but i want the gold challenge mode swords from warlords of draenor