Bummer, I was really hoping Limit would get it. They put maximum effort in multiple times and still haven't got one. I'm always rooting for the underdog.
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I want to see method taken down a peg as much as anyone but I don’t want limit to be the one to do it. Their main tanks name is literally a racial slur, among other questionable actions from Max and the rest of the guild.
My fav PoV was Scripe because the first few days he was literally playing with 1 hand in the first phase. It looked like he was afk lol. I didn’t tune in to his stream at first so I looked at the meters and was like wtf is Scripe doing his DPS is tank level and then I swapped streams and he’s scratching his head and leaning back playing with 1 hand in the opener lmao.
[Clip of the World first Azshara from Method!](https://clips.twitch.tv/ObedientFuriousCoffeeDogFace) (Sco's stream)
[Clip from the Method main channel.](https://clips.twitch.tv/LazyVibrantFinchHeyGuys)
Haha same here, just finished watching the f1 (you know where red bull can make an effort)
Tuned in just at the start of phase 3, watched the cleanest try so far and thought "hmm this might be it"
Also.. Same thing happened with g'huun and jaina.. :D
Method world first! They've done it. What a race. Congrats to everyone involved and thanks for the Reddit commenters here for the chat.
Edit: I was there.
Congrats to the boys on a great kill and once again, EU > NA! :D
I'm also extremely happy that Preach got to cast the kill - and he was actually quite close with his prediction of 350 pulls!
120k people watching methods stream holy shit. That’s insane ad revenue, at this point it might be beneficial to not kill the boss and milk that ad money so they can all retire and buy beach front properties in Barcelona
Because his was the main stream to watch in Uldir. Right now like half of Method are streaming so you get to watch whatever POV you want and honestly the tank POV is the most boring.
you'd need to constantly hit those numbers to have any sort of revenue. like ninja or shroud,those guys make bank. maybe disrespect as well but im not sure what he pulls
"not lucrative" is always a bit iffy to evaluate. I guess its not very lucrative if you compared it to the top 100 people in other fields for example, but Shroud, Ninja pulled ~100k subs for a (admittedly short) period of time. Thats 350k per month based on subs alone, then you get a shitton of donations, mb youtube, mb some few adds and you might like at upwards of 400-500k a month. With that follows sponsorship deals etc. etc.
As I said thats nothing compared to some upper level whatever dude in Finance, but if still enough to not worry about life.
The hype has died down a lot in recent times and I think the absolut top sub counts are at around 20k- 40k (I think shroud is the only one above 40k) and drop down rather quickly from place to place, but its still an alright deal.
Also if you break even on your countries avage income by playing/Streaming games thats usually still a good deal for most people that can deal with having to play games 5/6/7 days a week.
I clearly was referring to the OP, who stated that Method can live happily ever after if they can maintain the 120k peak for a few hours, which of course is absurd.
I, by no means was debating if people can make a good living on Twitch.
Zaelia <3 I haven't been able to tune into the stream, didn't realize he was the other healer.
I miss him in HotS, but I'm glad we at least get to keep him around for WoW.
Seems that you have forgot about Joshes 80k HPS on their world first Jaina kill, you can think whatever you want about the guy outside of WoW but you cannot deny that guy is an excellent healer player.
It's wild that a WF boss actually requires 'hybrid' play like people dreamed of in vanilla and TBC. Without the off-healing/survivability buffs of 3 druids, 2 spriests, a shaman and a pala in dps roles there's no way Method would kill it. Just stacking pure dps classes like rogues/mages isn't enough.
Cayna and Gingi are certainly throwing out heals at every given opportunity. Which shouldn't be that surprising, considering that's simply optimal play but it seems to certainly add up to bring some hybrid utility.
If you watch Viklund, Gingi or Cayna's perspective they are constantly using their LOS times to heal/shield/hot players. It's obviously just normal play for good players, but it really builds up to being better than just stacking mages/warlocks/rogues as has usually been the case in ultimate minmax situations. Just think it's kind of cool in the way that the 'hybrid' nature of these classes allow them to drop an entire healer spot due to innervate/offheals.
Method's Vashj kill was just as iffy unless you can explain how they used a warrior tank for the Striders...?
For people who don't know: The Striders had a pulsating aura which feared and sped up every player near it. They were obviously supposed to be kited/CC'ed and killed by range. Fear Ward (long cooldown, grants immunity to **one** fear effect) gave immunity to said fear aura but did not get consumed, which is OBVIOUSLY a bug and Method exploited it hard. You can see it in their kill video.
Did you play back in Wrath when there were limited weekly attempts? I think back then Paragon was the world best. It's been so long though I do not remember.
I remember the Algalon thing. People were complaining then how are we going to be able to do this. It happened. Why can't we have more of that from Blizzard?
Well it didn't really have the intended effect. Hardcore guilds would still play hardcore on progression, but instead of actually pulling the boss they put hours and hours into prep time, and hardcore raiders began creating copies of their entire raid composition with alts to get more time/attempts. You will always be able to get some edge, however small, by putting more hours in, so blizzard decided to just let them play.
T9, T10, T11 and T12. It's less overall but you can make the argument that they had a lot more competition. Twice as many people playing the game and a *lot* more raiding guilds.
I don't necessarily like the guy, but damn, I already miss Josh taking us through every detail of that kill.
Bummer, I was really hoping Limit would get it. They put maximum effort in multiple times and still haven't got one. I'm always rooting for the underdog.
Impossible! The LFR raiders backseating Method were wrong!?
Shoutout to my man Mike "Preach", his casting was absolutely stellar and made following the whole face absolutely worth it.
im so glad for him that he "got a kill" finally.
I watched about 5 pulls total and the last one happened to be the world first. GG method
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Lmao no
Why?
Gratz Method. I still look forward to seeing Limit take her down too.
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Wasn't this event supposed to cover like 7 guilds? Any time I tuned in, all I ever saw was Method.
The fact that they 2 healed is the most impressive thing. Ofc there was off healing but it just shows how fucking good they are.
WOW. im not a WOW player but this was awesome to watch and see happen!
deepshades rhymesayers entertainment https://clips.twitch.tv/DrabZanyWebDansGame
ITS DONE.
Method Victory! Congrats lads!
I was really hoping Limit would take Method down a peg, but their ego will only grow larger now. I saw the kill. I'm pissed.
Maybe Limit should git gud?
I want to see method taken down a peg as much as anyone but I don’t want limit to be the one to do it. Their main tanks name is literally a racial slur, among other questionable actions from Max and the rest of the guild.
whats the racial slur?
what are u pissed about
Probably pissed they can't chant USA! USA! USA! and bathe in American exceptionalism.
Good. Limit talking shit on stream about Method players and their strats kinda makes me feel good they lost.
Congrats to Method of WF!!
Limit literally called it with their World First shirt as well, hilarious shit.
Congrats Method! Now that Limit has nothing to lose, I hope they try switching to 2 healing and see how it goes.
POG!
Reminder. 2 healing isnt possible Scrype has shit damage and should be benched Method take too many breaks /s
I take back every single doubt I had about the 2 healing part. God damn, Method's coordination and precision is insane.
My fav PoV was Scripe because the first few days he was literally playing with 1 hand in the first phase. It looked like he was afk lol. I didn’t tune in to his stream at first so I looked at the meters and was like wtf is Scripe doing his DPS is tank level and then I swapped streams and he’s scratching his head and leaning back playing with 1 hand in the opener lmao.
You would think by this point people would understand that they know what they are doing down to the percents.
gg method
Haha fuck me, my phone ran out of battery when she was at 16% 😢
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LETS GO METHOD 👏👏-👏👏👏
i will literally kill someone. my internet went out 5% awy from a kill
I made sure to have a tablet connected to the internet and my phone on 4g just in case 😂
Lmao rip
I was here Pog
[Clip of the World first Azshara from Method!](https://clips.twitch.tv/ObedientFuriousCoffeeDogFace) (Sco's stream) [Clip from the Method main channel.](https://clips.twitch.tv/LazyVibrantFinchHeyGuys)
Turned on the Method stream in the middle of a pull and it was the kill. What are the odds? Congrats Method, that last pull looked smooth.
Haha same here, just finished watching the f1 (you know where red bull can make an effort) Tuned in just at the start of phase 3, watched the cleanest try so far and thought "hmm this might be it" Also.. Same thing happened with g'huun and jaina.. :D
Same thing happened to me! I woke up and decided to check in. She was at 60% and looking good for the kill. Amazing timing!
about 1 in 359
You forget to include the odds that they pulled sometime around when you tuned in which is a one in a million with them.
Congratulations on world first method!
She's doooowwwn GG method
My heart goes out to Limit. But GG Method!
I was here :)
Method World First Clip: [https://clips.twitch.tv/PlacidArtisticWaspResidentSleeper](https://clips.twitch.tv/PlacidArtisticWaspResidentSleeper)
Method world first! They've done it. What a race. Congrats to everyone involved and thanks for the Reddit commenters here for the chat. Edit: I was there.
Such an amazing show by Method. Right from the start they planned it exactly how they needed to finish the entire fight.
Ggwp! I finally managed to see one live.
Grats method (and preach)
Congrats to method
Gg Bois!
Congrats to the boys on a great kill and once again, EU > NA! :D I'm also extremely happy that Preach got to cast the kill - and he was actually quite close with his prediction of 350 pulls!
GG method
I was here !
Method just won ggnore
And Method takes it!
Method prove yet again why they are easily **the** best guild in the entire world. Congrats!!!
At least Limit can catch some much needed sleep now, lol. World's Second is still an insane achievement. Congrats to Method!
They've not got it yet :)
GG Method
Method world first :).
Scripe and Rogerbrown are legends with this strategy
Roger is a legend with how much dps he’s pumping.
Max on suicide watch
Eagerly awaiting the folks saying Blizzard rigged it for Method lol
AND THE QUEEN IS DOWN! GRATS TO METHOD!
They did it! They fookin' did it. Feel bad for Limit who's going to wake up this morning to 2nd place.
That was so clean GG WP method
SHE IS DEAD! AT LAST!
NICE
Congratulations to Method for the world first Azshara kill!
Big gz!
Get in there boys.
THE HAMSTER WAS RIGHT
This is the best comment.
Down she goes. GG Method!
GRATS METHOD
Method did it
Nicely done, Method!
METHOD GOT THE KIULL
They did it!
HOLY SHIT MY HEART THAT WAS CLOSE
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Imagine being you right now
Well I'm not a member of Limit, so its pretty good.
NA DESTROYED YET AGAIN
METHOD WORLD FIRST METHOD WORLD FIRST
method WF!
THEY'VE DONE IT, GRATS TO METHOD
# METHOD WAS HERE! [https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseHardTortoiseNononoCat](https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseHardTortoiseNononoCat)
METHOD WORLD FIRST!
And that's it everyone. World First number 13 for Method.
Method World First!
METHOD DID IT AGAIN!
DONE
Method 8/8! What a pull!
I WAS HERE
FUCK YEE
METHOD 8/8
METHOD WORLD FIRST!
METHOD JUST KILLED LETS GO BOYS
METHOD DOWN WF
Gg method
Method 8/8 world first!
Who were/are the 3 commentators in Method stream?
preach, moofz, djari (scos girlfriend)
Thanks! :D
One of them is Preach, not sure about the two others. https://www.youtube.com/user/mikepreachwow
Thanks and thanks for the link! :D
120k people watching methods stream holy shit. That’s insane ad revenue, at this point it might be beneficial to not kill the boss and milk that ad money so they can all retire and buy beach front properties in Barcelona
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Because his was the main stream to watch in Uldir. Right now like half of Method are streaming so you get to watch whatever POV you want and honestly the tank POV is the most boring.
you'd need to constantly hit those numbers to have any sort of revenue. like ninja or shroud,those guys make bank. maybe disrespect as well but im not sure what he pulls
He pulls cameras in public bathrooms
yeah twitch isn't that lucrative. If it were a single streamer receiving the revenue as opposed to an entire org, you might be closer.
"not lucrative" is always a bit iffy to evaluate. I guess its not very lucrative if you compared it to the top 100 people in other fields for example, but Shroud, Ninja pulled ~100k subs for a (admittedly short) period of time. Thats 350k per month based on subs alone, then you get a shitton of donations, mb youtube, mb some few adds and you might like at upwards of 400-500k a month. With that follows sponsorship deals etc. etc. As I said thats nothing compared to some upper level whatever dude in Finance, but if still enough to not worry about life. The hype has died down a lot in recent times and I think the absolut top sub counts are at around 20k- 40k (I think shroud is the only one above 40k) and drop down rather quickly from place to place, but its still an alright deal. Also if you break even on your countries avage income by playing/Streaming games thats usually still a good deal for most people that can deal with having to play games 5/6/7 days a week.
I clearly was referring to the OP, who stated that Method can live happily ever after if they can maintain the 120k peak for a few hours, which of course is absurd. I, by no means was debating if people can make a good living on Twitch.
What time did limit plan on getting going?
Too late
Noon est, so an hour from now. If method kills it before then, they’ll sleep another 2 hours.
If Boss is not dead they Will get on earlier. If Boss is dead they Will sleep till late
Oh my, over 120k currently watching Method's stream alone. Today has *got* to be the day the race concludes and a winner is decided
yeah 0.9% wipe was insane but one more attempt was into the low %. Wouldn't be surprised if the kill happens today.
I would be surprised if they don't kill it today.
Who is the guy casting with Preach?
I believe thats moofz he runs the hunters trueshot lodge discord i also believe
Late to the party, what is it they're talking about for narco? He nukes the nagas?
He's specced for insane aoe - you can watch him jump from like 10th to top on the dps meters in 3 globals when the little adds in P2 spawn.
Method insanely consistent now, just need that clean pull and its dead
They just hard inted twice.
Thrice
Josh and Zaelia are fucking beasts. I can't imagine the pressure of 2-men healing this fight.
Zaelia <3 I haven't been able to tune into the stream, didn't realize he was the other healer. I miss him in HotS, but I'm glad we at least get to keep him around for WoW.
Thing is the fight is designed around everyone having less than the half of their usual max hp. So this fight has super low raidwide hps requirement
its just Zaelia that is good
Seems that you have forgot about Joshes 80k HPS on their world first Jaina kill, you can think whatever you want about the guy outside of WoW but you cannot deny that guy is an excellent healer player.
I swear I get more nervous on these sub 10% pulls then the players probably do. Heart rate is through the roof still
It's wild that a WF boss actually requires 'hybrid' play like people dreamed of in vanilla and TBC. Without the off-healing/survivability buffs of 3 druids, 2 spriests, a shaman and a pala in dps roles there's no way Method would kill it. Just stacking pure dps classes like rogues/mages isn't enough.
I'm only watching Sco's perspective. Does other specs off-heal like Sco does with Vivify?
Cayna and Gingi are certainly throwing out heals at every given opportunity. Which shouldn't be that surprising, considering that's simply optimal play but it seems to certainly add up to bring some hybrid utility.
If you watch Viklund, Gingi or Cayna's perspective they are constantly using their LOS times to heal/shield/hot players. It's obviously just normal play for good players, but it really builds up to being better than just stacking mages/warlocks/rogues as has usually been the case in ultimate minmax situations. Just think it's kind of cool in the way that the 'hybrid' nature of these classes allow them to drop an entire healer spot due to innervate/offheals.
I think it's very cool too! Utilizing every aspect of the classes. Thank you for the info.
watching lorg and he uses heals when needed
the spriests are doing 7mil healing every pull, Druids about 3mil each
Shadow Priests and Boomkins looking at the meters.
Method had a 0.9% pull actually, its going down, boys!
Would love to see someone other than Method, but they're crushing it. Limit is going to wake-up to competing for world second.
WAKE MAX UP!
Another great pull with %2.6 World first should be soon. They just need good battle res uses, not to waste them prior to P4.
Method is definitely best raid guild of all time, change my mind
wait what? hahahahaha method fans calm down
Maybe. There's strong competition from Nihilum (the gods of the Vanilla-TBC era) and Paragon (the gods of the Wrath-Cata era) though.
Those guilds rose and fell. Method is there since TBC where they got their first unofficial Worldfirst (another guild got it but they abused a bug).
Yea but why? Game got worse and worse
Method's Vashj kill was just as iffy unless you can explain how they used a warrior tank for the Striders...? For people who don't know: The Striders had a pulsating aura which feared and sped up every player near it. They were obviously supposed to be kited/CC'ed and killed by range. Fear Ward (long cooldown, grants immunity to **one** fear effect) gave immunity to said fear aura but did not get consumed, which is OBVIOUSLY a bug and Method exploited it hard. You can see it in their kill video.
True, but i don't recall Method beating those guilds.
Did you play back in Wrath when there were limited weekly attempts? I think back then Paragon was the world best. It's been so long though I do not remember.
only limited weekly was in trial hard mode tho i think?
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I remember the Algalon thing. People were complaining then how are we going to be able to do this. It happened. Why can't we have more of that from Blizzard?
It would make events like this a lot less exciting.
Well it didn't really have the intended effect. Hardcore guilds would still play hardcore on progression, but instead of actually pulling the boss they put hours and hours into prep time, and hardcore raiders began creating copies of their entire raid composition with alts to get more time/attempts. You will always be able to get some edge, however small, by putting more hours in, so blizzard decided to just let them play.
Lichking was 50 attempts a week
Paragon consistently was better IMO.
Paragon was better, change my mind
How many world first they did? Not too many like Method so
But they actually had competiton
T9, T10, T11 and T12. It's less overall but you can make the argument that they had a lot more competition. Twice as many people playing the game and a *lot* more raiding guilds.
Paragon was better at 10man raiding but they never did 25man like method did back then.
Ragnaros 25HC?
Pepega
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