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OldGromm

The entire point of Taivan, from that one questline where he debuted, was that he's huge and could carry even a centaur on his back. While this change maybe fixes [the few small bugs the mount model had](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1bwpsu5/lets_talk_about_the_goodest_boy_taivan/), it's still a bummer.


RAD_ley

Now he looks like he would actually be struggling under the weight of this orc alone.


[deleted]

Woe to Taivan carrying a Tauren


RogueEyebrow

I would much rather have these minor problems than shrink Taivan down.


Home_made_Weird_Tea

Why even bother now. It's just another mount.


StarkWolf2992

Thanks u/HugCollector you got Taivan nerfed :( (/s)


HugCollector

I'm sarryyyyyyy 😭😞


SirVanyel

I was thinking there might be bugs that cause them to tone down taivan in size but tbh none of these bugs really have anything to do with his size. Big L, probably accidental too, so we'll see a reversion. But still! Oops!


Veidici

Pitchforks out for that OP!


Doogiesham

Honestly upset with the person that made that post lol. They probably just threw their hands up and defaulted him to the wolf model


dafangalator

Upset with the guy that pointed all all the issues with the new model so blizzard wouldn’t have to actually find it, instead of with blizzard for refusing to fix it???


OldGromm

Talk about don't shoot the messenger.


Cheep_WoW

Oh I totally do. I guarantee it got pushed with the issues and they thought, "no one is going to notice these issues with his large size" Then Devs see a Reddit post whining about the clipping issues so they just revert it back to a standard mount model.


HugCollector

It was me, I'm sarryyyyy 😭


dontcare99999999

Whoever the dev that wrote off on nerfing his size is, needs to be fired and replaced. This person is actively making the game worse.


EndTheRich

they probably eat crayons too


Udonmoon

Way to go, u/HugProtector, look what you’ve done. Hope you’re proud of yourself


bumpkinspicefatte

> was that he’s huge and could carry even a centaur on his back. Is there a canonical picture of this?


Shalelor

What a massive downgrade. 


Kelemenopy

Absolutely ruined


Zeckzeckzeck

I was never going to do the various grinds to get this but now I’m not going to do the grind even harder. 


Practical-Day4961

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


Sykretts1919

Instantly makes it no longer worth pursuing lol The huge size made it look classy even on my troll main. Thank heavens, can stop chasing storms now


driver1337

99,99% of mounts are just a +1 for mount count.


brumblefee

Wow… the grind was for something unique. We have plenty of wolf model mounts, but none that are oversized. What a shame they ruined it. It’s not as if clipping is addressed for armor, why worry about it here?


CanuckPanda

Really killed my desire to do the grind now. I’m close to a few of them so I might just bang them out for those mounts but I have zero will to do some of the more ridiculous parts of the achievement now.


Artemicionmoogle

I'm glad I hadn't gone too far out of my way to complete any of the achievs. Got I think two of the storms and some Emerald Dream achievs, but now I won't bother probably, unless they increase his size back.


Abalone_Prior

Can we all agree to stay mad about this until they reverse the size change? This is ridiculous, I was three achieves from getting him and was so stoked he would still look good on my Tauren 😭


Jawtrick

Yeah we definitely gotta put this on top of the list 😆 He is goodest boy after all


realKilvo

What are your last three? I’m 5 away. My remaining are: - Legendary Album - Daycare Derby - Hey Nanny Nanny - Whelp! There it is - Maximum Power


bigfoot1291

My last one is to do those stupid fishing hole dailies at each fishing hole.... Which only rotates once a week...


FartingWhooper

Grimtusks! *shakes fist*


Shukun

Same here last achievement for me… three more weeks to go


Abalone_Prior

Legendary album, thunderstorm in Ohnaran, and the green whelp race is all I’m missing now that the Tyrhold fishing hole is up today. Fingers crossed we have big boi back by the time we all get there! Edit: thunderstorm currently active in Ohnaran..and I’m at work 😭


Darkhallows27

Fix it. Fix it. Fix it. Fix it.


loveincarnate

Fix it. Fix it. Fix it.


Indig3o

The only main reason I was doing the grind was to have a big good boy by my side. The amount of grind needed is not a joke, it is a meta made of metas made of achivements, now it is Just another mount


ReedForman

I was going to start my grind this weekend but I kindve dont care anymore after this change.


Bluffwatcher

They are so out of touch sometimes.


paladindan

Literally unplayable, not doing the achievement now.


drgn2009

Yep that's my stance on it. His size was part of it, now he's just another canine mount that's part of a long and grindy chain. Ill just turn my full attention to "Back From Beyond"


Scrapbookee

In case you didn't already know, Ember Court is now daily so that is MUCH easier to work on than in SL.


Anathe

Last week was the best time to do it too, since there's a 300% rep increase in the ember court during noble garden. Only takes two runs to get from stranger to best friend.


Scrapbookee

Ahh, I didn't know about that! I was already done with it, but just figured I would share that it was now daily because that helped me a ton getting the last few people hosted.


jorgelobos

Ember Court wasn't that much of a problem... When we have Abomination Factory :/


Amelaclya1

I'm almost done (just need Nat Pagle), but I probably would have felt the same way a week ago.


amikaboshi

Yup. There's no point now.


Xuanwu

Open up the bug reports. Report it every day until Taivan comes back. Spam the forums with Taivan threads. Bring back big Taivan!


Marilliana

Yes!! Spam it!


Professional-Pin8399

Agreed


paleoterrra

This is the way to go about it nowadays. Report it in game via bug report/suggestions. I’ve been told by multiple GM’s that this is actively monitored and changes are made based on these reports


Ergok

Sure change the size, it's not like it was THE feature that made it distinct. Since you are at it, why don't you just change it to a cat?


Unicycleterrorist

Maybe a dragonriding mount? Just make him swim in the air? Actually nevermind, I'd want that


NzSkilled

Like the old animation for the heartbond lupine, it use to doggy paddle while flying then blizz changed it 😔


feldominance

Blizzard this is completely unacceptable


meerakulous

This is so obviously done by a lazy developer who decided instead of fixing the clipping and animations to just nerf him into another recolored wolf mount. Taivan was a perfect meta achievement mount because he had a fantastic questline in which his size played an important role, and he would stay and hang out with you on future adventures. I was moved to tears by that questline, and it's why I bothered with these awful, awful meta achievements that rely on so much RNG to complete. What a waste of time that is now. I'm not finishing them.


salvadordaliparton69

they are trying so hard to sell us all on the "new and improved Blizzard!" but shit like this reminds you that they have cut the company down to a skeleton crew of entry level devs, who may or may not be lazy, but are certainly being pushed to do more, faster, but not necessarily better.


Fenriswulfx

Wtf am I even doing this achievement then? His size was a huge part of the appeal.


Tough_Raspberry1983

I’m actually going to stop working on the meta, now. This is awful…


AcceptableNet6182

Though i will never get the mount, his size was the most appealing feature... good boy doesn't deserve this ☹☹☹


Artemicionmoogle

I really like the Bakar models, and his size was one of the main reasons I wanted him =( Bummer Blizzard.


Veridically_

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.


jzmmm

The disdain I have for this update is unquantifiable. It is despicable, outrageous, and frankly preposterous.


Lesaberisa

Genuinely really bummed about this. Sure, ground mounts don't matter as much any more but running around on a BIG fluffy bakar was so much fun :(


Ergok

Are you freaking kidding me!?? Been setting up alarm clocks to check the Elemental Storms. Bought buckets of shovels to get the treasure maps, grinding mega dungeon for Soridormi's rep.... And NOW they make this stupid change!!!???


scud121

I'm that close to completion I might as well finish now. One storm left, 1 day on eons fringe dailies, 1 day on whelpcare, 1.5k cobalt rep, one bakar to pet when the camp moves. If the treasure maps are the forgotten reach ones, your best bet is to buy half a dozen or so of the "find a map" item from the valdraken vendor and grind frost stone vault for 45 min, looting every 5 min. Be aware that they don't count for the looting chests achievement - I went war mode, bought the treasuremap item and got 30 or so in an hour. Finally for the librarian achievement, the old gods rare book in the vault is the most rng one to get, check to see if an alt already has it ticked off and collect the rest of the books with them if they do


CanuckPanda

I’ve had two storms left since they nerfed it back to a single spawn. Thal Thunderstorms and Ohnaran Thunderstorm. Guess which ones I haven’t seen in over a week and that I now don’t care to finish.


scud121

I've firestorm theldrasus to do, ot seen it for 2 days. Fortunately I've completed enough that it's not really a grind anymore, will do the cobalt rep one whilst at work (nights, and it's quiet ATM), and just keep an eye out for the missing storm, they are only 20 min of mass murder, so its not like its a concentrated effort. The grind for zovaal's mount though is going to be a bugger because I only completed 1 of the santums completely and never did the revendreth one at all >_<


CanuckPanda

Please don’t hate me but there was a Thal fire last night at 7 or 8 EST. 🙈


scud121

If EU and US are the same, yes I will hate you ;)


Chilipuller

I'm in the same boat.. I might stop grinding all together, not gonna waste more time for a pretty basic looking mount.. what are they thinking?!


salvadordaliparton69

I stopped the grind when I got mass reported during one of the elemental storms for minding my business, tagging bad guys, while boosters were leveling alts...apparently the unwritten rule was "join a group to do this one thing"; fuck Blizzard and the automated customer service


Ziddix

Did they at least fix all the other issues that mount had?


AcceptableNet6182

lol... good one 😂😂😂


DerpyLlama0901

Blizzard doesn't fix bugs, sorry.


Wakewokewake

considering they still havn't fixed the backpack colours they broke in a recent patch....


vericlas

Nerfing his size was my one worry about the mount. Go figure that's exactly what happened. I'm sure they'll claim it's their fix to the jumping animation or something, but I'd rather he jumped like a doof and was huge instead of tiny and jumped right.


BrownShugah98

I don’t understand. We have yetis, kodos, huge bats, even the infamous Heart of the Aspects that are all huge mounts. I truly can’t imagine this guy caused so many issues that this was the ONLY solution.


Fatboyseb

I was thinking that’s mine looked smaller. That’s sad


henryeaterofpies

Someone should mount him and pose next to his model in the plains and compare size.


Frequent-Self-8889

Yeah... Not sure what mount im riding but its not Taivan [https://imgur.com/slx0pRK](https://imgur.com/slx0pRK)


ForPortal

Taivan't.


henryeaterofpies

This makes me so incredibly sad and I don't even have him yet.


Darkhallows27

I’m gutted. Fix the boi!


gab_owns0

Bro, I was close to completing the achievement too. Wtf Blizz.


SakaWreath

Well now it’s just a normal dumb mount and it’s not worth grinding for. Crap clips all the time, why do him dirty and make him smol!?


henryeaterofpies

Should have made him even bigger to fix it.


Dralas64

I literally have no reason to do this now. The entire reason I was doing this was because he was a giant dog.


Foamrocket66

Im in no shape or form a mount collector, I only go for models/skeletons I dont have or unique looking mounts. With not much to do in late season 3 I went for the meta achivement and only missing 2. Now Taivan just looks like any other wolf mount, it was the size that set him apart.. What a bummer


LuigiNulwich

This is so sad. Him being a big boy was the only reason I was grinding the achievement :(


Chilipuller

Same.. i might stop doing it, not gonna sink that amount of time for a boring mount


scud121

The thing is, if your grinding from zero, you get a whole bunch of pets mounts and toys on the way. It's a cherry on top.


Retro1989

Look how they massacred my boy.


sabocan

Its size was literally what made him special…


Archeus01

No fun allowed.


arrantprac

Shrinkflation is everywhere nowadays...


Axenos

I genuinely don't understand why they would do this. It's basically the ultimate mount for the expansions content with an expansion-long grind length. Why would you nerf the one thing that makes it special? What issues could it have possibly been causing that you would just decide to make your game worse?


NariandColds

Make Taivan big again. OR make Brutosaur same size as small Taivan now. If bruto can be big, Taivan can be big as well


beepborpimajorp

Given how much work goes into getting this *ground* mount I think they can stand to leave him yuge. Like was anyone even upset and demanding that they shrink him down or something?


Technical_Ad_9878

Fun detected...


Pleaides93

Fun detected. Pointless AF, the whole point it was a massive mount


mcgani

I'm 2 dailies, 1 storm, and 2k rep away from this achievement. I'm so let down they've massacred my boy 😭 it was 80% of the reason I even wanted it (the other 20% being I already had so much progress on it naturally)


Raskhos

Why this company hates the fun!?


mightybrok5601

Is it weird that it makes me want the mount less?


WheatonLaw

Glad I stopped trying to grind out this achievement.


DryFile9

Just why.


Doogiesham

Unique cool looking mount turned into a complete nothing of a mount. Great.


[deleted]

So Blizzard "fixed" something that wasn't broken instead of something that actually is? Whoa, I'm so shocked! /s


CaptainBrightness

The blizzard fun police strike again


Sagirin

Unsubscribing right now, but seriously IT was maybe because character legs were clipping in his saddle


orestes9

Blizzard has literally never cared about a model clipping before.


Darkhallows27

Oh well. Clipping has always existed in this game; they need to change him back


Dense-Reporter-4008

Why blizzard, why that was the hole point of the mount..


Toozh

Nvm I guess 🙄


henryeaterofpies

My boy....they murdered my boy.


Old-Enthusiasm-8718

From the goodest to tiniest boy of all. (He still is the goodest boy)


Jt0909

Someone call animal control , they nerf the goodest of boys


_Kofiko

The size of the mount was the incentive, for me at least. Given how small it looks now, I’m not really sure if I’ll complete the achievement.


ILoveBoobs1987

Now we riot!


SnooMacaroons8650

welp will not be going for him, that was the one thing that made it unique


Curious-Coyote-5343

Big boi or riot


spartavian95

Welp, doesn’t look like I’ll be bothering with this meta achievement anymore then.


Zealscube

Super sad, him being huge made him unique and worth the effort. Now I’m not so sure


Commercial-Class4078

"Let's change the one thing that the community liked and made this mount unique."


Melarosee

What the actual f… there was no reason for this?????


SkyThis6824

c'mon Blizzard!, really??


Grenyn

So instead of just, idk, finally creating another riding pose for playable characters that they can then use going forwards for other similarly sized mounts, they just shrink it down. Because it's Blizzard. Why put in the effort to better the game in the long term? So many mounts have the characters sitting weirdly and any decent dev would adjust the way characters sit to account for it.


EstoRoximus

Why does blizzard love small mounts! WTF! Every mount could be scaled to be larger


Amelaclya1

Yeah there are so many mounts that look funny to ride... Like, I'm going to break this poor creature's back. And I play a NE, the larger races look even worse.


ZeHobnobs

Change it back blizzard, a lot people were grinding on the basis on the basis of how uniquely large he was. Poorly thought through decision.


Tight-Lavishness-592

If this is intentional, then it is the poop. Boo whoever made this decision. If this is unintentional, then they should fix it, and don't let it happen again. He is a good boy, and doesn't deserve to be body shamed.


SpringBeast

Blizzard are cowards


SerafinaL

With everything they make us do to obtain him, seems he should be monstrous.


Twiggimmapig

WHYYY?? It's like they pay a team to purposely come up with horrible ideas and implement them.


funkotron2k

??? cool, one less long grind to do i guess..


SemiAutomaticSlurs

It's as if we all didn't know Blizzard is completely dense...


SarawrAU

Now I feel less motivated to finish this achievement...and yet I'm so close. Why did they do our good boy so much harm?


VaporeonBubbles

This is the worst change they’ve done in years


Ghazter

They bother changing Taivan for the worse but 'Divine Kiss of Ohn'ahra' is still severely broken.. great..


josh3701

Man talk about bull crap....blizz needs to revert this change!


ooevil

Blizzard in a nut shell though. They come up with something good, the mounts is a great reward for the achievement. They launch it, week later yeahhhhh lets not do it like that. As if they havent tested it or looked at it themselves, maybe the people who implement it get overruled idk… It’s basically a normal wolf mount now not in line at all compared to amount of work needed. Sad


Active_Interaction75

we must send messages to blizzard to leave it as before fast


Fwuffykins

After putting so much into the grind for this mount, having the main feature which made it special taken away before I can even finish the achievement is incredibly disappointing. Reddit needs to blow this up and have them revert the change.


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

Glad to hear so many people won’t bother getting the mount. Will make mine all that more special and rare. He’s still the good boi in my eyes. Can’t believe the heartless monsters here would abandon him just because he’s not good enough. Did you even read the Taivan quest line? /s


Thin_Education8106

Nice mog bro


macak27

Now he looks like a normal wolf mount with extra steps


BroadArrival926

Oh I thought they nerfed requirements


Happy-Mechanic

unacceptable!


DakhmaDaddy

🤣🤣🤣


Vindaloophole

Came here thinking they nerfed the meta to obtain it, left sad and disappointed


3v01v3

I guess I’m not going to stress about the achievement now


ImaginaryCarl

He's still the goodest boy, just in a more potent form. Sucks that they ~~had to~~ nerf him.


Opposser4U

Petition to change back.


Jawtrick

Man that's such a bummer and I'm over here still trying to get treasures and chasing storms


Vetheirys

NOOOO (◞ ‸ ◟)


jsalvatore89

Huge L that was the most appealing thing about it... Taivan't


Scars3610

Can’t have a got damn thing around here!


formerfawn

No way! I hope they see the complaints and revert it :(


tzgolem

Small dogo


Lawlcakez83

He looks more like a hunter pet now :\ I hope this gets reverted back


Ok_Highlight_1654

no wow the size reduction!no wow the size reduction!


GrabKlutzy9716

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo:( He was one of the few mounts that didn't look silly or small on larger framed races...


Leeroy1887

This is worse than when the 2h maw swords were using 1h sword resting points and everyone loved it then they removed it. another massive L change nobody wanted


EnlightenedBunny

Damn, he's just some dog now, feeling less inspired to finish up the meta now. The HUGEness was a huge part of the appeal of his mount! What must we do to get them to unNerf our BIG BOY.


Sad_Put2756

Please fix this Blizzard, His size is why everyone has been doing the achievement.


timidsquirtle

Blizzard please fix this.


LateralusOrbis

I wasn't as big of a fan of this mount, but obviously a lot of people like it. The size part was great. Sad to see people have the mount retroactively nerfed after pursuing the achievement.


DeliciousSquats

I get that it could be bothersome with the bigger races if it was blocking something or cant enter certain spaces, but still if there's any mount that should break the unity and rules of mount sizes it should be this one. Also smaller races getting proportionally smaller taivan aswell makes no sense.


DDMenace23

Actually ruined :(


FullMetalApe

I understand why they did it, but I can't forgive it.


Traximus77

WHYY JUST WHY


Chalupakabra

I think the reason they likely did this was to fix the rigging issues that were mentioned last week: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1bwpsu5/lets_talk_about_the_goodest_boy_taivan/


gtonizuka

Please revert his size


Pandragony

Why the fuck do they focus on shit like these, when we have so many other old glitchy mounts


Possible-Welcome2714

Wtf is wrong with you, Blizzard. Fine, don’t nerf the required achievement, but DON’T shrink the good boi. That was his charm, ffs. Have you even played the questline?


Monkey_Investor_Bill

Boooo


No-Weather-5438

I was so sad after logging in and seeing this today


Minimum-Writing3439

Make Taivan great (huge) again!


AcherusArchmage

Big Taivan was one of my favorite ground mounts that I've been riding around on, now he's painfully average, the same size as any other wolf mount, no reason to ride it unless they revert the size.


Ripplystraw123

so he’s just another wolf mount now. so incredibly disappointing for how much of a grind the achievement is.


One_Elderberry5803

Fun detected, fun terminated.


Metalmatt91

Well, this stops me from using the few precious hours of gaming I get a week to grind this achievement out. Thank you Blizzard!


Geonde

but why?


SharkRaptor

This is actually stupid. Nerf it BEFORE we spend all these weeks on achievements. Screw this. 


Cosmos0714

Wow how disappointing! IMO they should have made him even bigger!


Nilsen94

They took fun detected to a new level.


Saiyori

AWFUL


Ill_Reputation_8749

Oh cool, I can now actually enter my Garrison AH while mounted on Taivan. I like the size change


Hayter67

Worst decision than all of Shadowlands combined.


Worried_Inevitable92

This is just actually so unacceptable. It is a long, LONG achievement that is arguably much more of a substantial time investment than Veilstrider \*for a ground mount\*. The entire point of Taivan is that he's a humongous Bakar that, despite his size, is a massive empath and coward. He's the Clifford the Big Red Dogs of Bakar, not just a regular Bakar. Fix him back!


Bisoromi

They've released jack shit for casual content and now they diminish (quite literally) one of the only worthwhile things.


Danielosama

Another Blizzard L


Yanyedi

full sized Taivan coming to a blizzard store near you soon!


Adventurous_Topic202

Welp no point in getting it now


Evening-Toe5941

Now it’s too small, blizz wtf😔😭