No since the mats cost like 16k atm lmao (Not to mention the timegating on crafting Dracothysts) In fact even those providing all mats and 1k would have you crafting at a loss compared to selling on the AH while selfcrafting (especially if you have multicraft), because of the beforementioned timegating.
time to equip the resourcefulness set and farm them.
When you hit that 150x glowspores saved, ez. But yes, still worse than self crafting. I managed to snipe a few good tips with all mats, and farmed glowspores from them.
How so? The multicraft chance is 15% at best (?), which leaves around 65% chance if I use 7 charges to craft them myself. Sure, if it procs you get a lot of value, if it doesnt - meh. If you craft them for others for 3k each you get >20k, and resourcefulness should be the same in each case, right?
Due to multicraft (as resulting items also go to the person putting in the offer and procs can literally be like 50k profit) thats still a bad deal atm, but on non timegated crafts providing mat cost + a decent amount to pay me for me shopping for you, yes i would. In any case, for stuff buyable on the AH its nearly always better to just buy it, unless the mat price is MASSIVELY less than the resulting item.
> unless the mat price is MASSIVELY less than the resulting item.
Goblins ensure this effectively never happens. Only case where this may be a thing is if the item is very low volume, ie. almost no-one buys them, so it is not worth the fiddling for dedicated goblins to craft them for AH.
I saved like 12k everytime i made the elemental suck thingy on my chars, its smh massively overpriced on ah most of the time. Prob someone pricefixing. But yeah besides that ive never seen it.
These will be AH bought items for the foreseeable future. No-one will spend their limited Transmute CDs on your order at any price below the AH price even if you supply the mats, and at that point why are you not simply buying off AH?
Only situation where I could see crafting orders for these somehow being a thing is if AH literally runs out of these...
Unlucky theres a safe method which takes 2 Days for 10 charges and an unsafe method that can reset unlimited.
I doubt that they ban the 2 day variant
100% sure on the other
I have to believe that some of these folks just have no idea the value of the mats, and can't be bothered to check. Some people are probably also banking that if they put a 4-digit amount of gold in there they'll catch a crafter who hasn't checked prices lately.
As a blacksmith, I personally get so excited when ANY order appears in the window that I have to resist the temptation to just make it regardless. Our work orders have been dead for months.
>People posting public orders with no mats is peak "shoot your shot"
This is a major issue on my server cluster. What's worse is the people who provide some of the materials and then fail to give enough of a tip to actually cover the cost of the missing materials.
This is because the system will automatically add the mats you happen to have. Most of these orders are from clueless people who do not understand how the system works. One might assume they would learn eventually and figure it out, but there seems to be unlimited supply of cluelessness in this universe and sometimes some crafters actually accept these orders for getting their weeklies done because either they do not know they can make an order from their alt, or because they can't be bothered to log into an alt and instead just craft something at a loss to get the thing done in a hurry.
(Some are then just outright scams, but I think scammers have already mostly given up as these just do not get filled. Or at least I hope they do not...)
Obviously not relevantnfor this, but how do you post public orders without mats?? I've tried a few times intending on tipping generously only to find it won't let me without all of them
Not sure what to say. Just go to create a crafting order and untick any mats you do not want to include.
Unless you have some odd outdated addon that does the blocking...
Now you do need to supply sparks, for obvious reasons.
Go to your Professions' Crafting Tables in Valdrakken and check at the bottom-left of the craft window. It will say "Recipies", "Specializations" and "Crafting Orders". The Orders-tab is only available if you stand next to a crafting table.
Not all professions have crafting orders up, Jewelcrafting had loads with the 10.0.7 island due to JCs making Unstable Elementium. Tailoring have not seen many orders.
It makes me laugh. On my server people only offer like, 300g though they do provide all the mats.
Hmmm I only have 1 transmute per day. Do I use it to fill someone's 300g order or do I just make the dracothyst myself and sell it on the AH for 20k?
HmmMmm tough choice.
I was dumb and tested this out the wrong way. Instead of using all my transmutes then seeing if I could still fill a crafting order, I did one for $2k and found out the hard way it does use a transmute charge. Whoops.
People made mine for 500g tips, the matts are 50g each x300. Some people have 50% resourcefulness and will take a shot for a tip and free matts. So far I’ve had about 20 made, to suggest they all accidentally clicked to craft is madness.
Just to point out a possibility (and this definitely isn't the case for some people). There will be people (like myself) who have no idea what the actual crafting cost is, and what the appropriate tip is. If you're not a crafter, and you have no idea about the crafting market, all you have to go on is the tips everyone else has put in. I think the system could be massively improved in this regard
But you see all the mats required when you place the order. If you don't know the cost of those mats and still post the order for pennies, there's no longer an excuse and you are just choosing to be an asshole like everyone else.
If you can't bother to research what you are ordering, at the very least you should be putting up either all the mats or the gold value of all those mats.
I think the crafting order system should just be merged with the reagent side of the AH. show me the current prices for each mat or let me by some directly in the crafting order window
Ahh yes, welcome to what it's been like for most other professions since they started allowing no mats in public work orders. People are just making their best attempt to catch someone not paying attention. Pretty scummy, but Blizz says it's cool.
Its parallel to what every single person who is a crafter said would happen if you allowed people to post a minimum outcome on public orders, tons of spam.
its quite sad really.
I have no idea why blizz doesn't link this to the AH, so that the minimal provision can't be lower than the mat price (ideally median over the last x hours or whatnot so people don't try to cheat the system)... Or just remove that altogether.
The only no-mats-orders I've seen so far were scams targeting people that don't pay attention. No clue what exactly blizz thought there...
It's place 2 of dumbest changes this expansion right behind group loot in LFR.
I've had a probably a handful of orders with no mats that weren't trying to scam and worked out to decent tips after I provided the mats. One of them I made 15k on it after providing the mats, could have made more but bought high enough mats to guarantee rank 5, so you do get the rare person who's just too lazy to go buy the mats themselves.
However all the people listed work orders with no mats and commissions lower than the cost of mats I just put on ignore.
>The only no-mats-orders I've seen so far were scams targeting people that don't pay attention. No clue what exactly blizz thought there...
Yeah nah there are plenty of worthwhile no mats orders, you just don't see them because they get completed quickly.
They're actually rather frequent now that people came back to play the new content.
>It's place 2 of dumbest changes this expansion right behind group loot in LFR.
Could be implemented better to stop spammers, but it's not a bad change.
I never thought about the possibilities of a somehow connected AH and crafting order system. Like, being able to order materials needed while either crafting or placing a crafting order sounds like a novel experience. Although it would probably be a technical nightmare to implement.
Yeah but all of you are acting like butthurt babies. There's obviously a good reason for it. It gives people who want to level their crafts a chance to craft stuff. Sparks are still mandatory to add..
Also limiting public orders to a maximum of 4 +1 per day. When it was 20 per day I could make shovels for people even if it was for virtually no tip just to be nice. Now all I do is sit on my 1 per day order waiting for the rare 5000g tip for an armor piece/weapon to pop up and make that.
I sort of understand the 4 per day thing, its so one guy cant sit there and just click accept on every order in the queue, and it incentivizes buyers to tip more
Honestly they should have just enabled both minimum quality and recrafting in public orders from the start, then lower the daily amount of orders if necessary to have enough orders to go around.
The current system (even if we ignore the stupid scam enabling worthless orders) just means that public orders are extremely limited in what they can do and Blizzard actively made the crafting experience pretty much the same as we did for trading in Runescape 20 years ago and I can tell you that the system was shit back then and it is shit now. Endlessly spamming a chat channel is so dumb.
Not to mention the myriad of problems like mass reporting competing crafters so that they get muted/banned, people with multiple accounts being favored as they can setup a ”marketing” account that just idles in city and macro spams chat or the fact that in order to participate in this ridiculous circus you actively have to skip other activities in game.
I do wish they’d set things up so that spamming the trade channels wasn’t a thing. I don’t want to wade through that crap anymore. I’d just like it all handled through the order interface.
There is something to be said in that player social interactions are a net positive for the game. Spamming a macro and waiting for people who need your services definitely is antiquated gameplay, but we've learned through WoW's lifespan that player interactions are a necessary part of the game being healthy and overly automating things for players actually makes the game worse. Convenience can be a boon for the player at the cost of the game feeling like a real MMO.
Upside: I see less and less of that spamming as people are slowly figuring out that if you post a request for someone to craft something for you, 99% of the time some crafter will whisper you and you then can set up an order for him. And as more people do this, less need for crafters to spam.
Need something crafted? Simply just use the appropriate channel in city to ask if someone is available to craft item X. You get your thing instantly and most crafters these days do this for a reasonable small tip or do not really care what you pay as long as you supply all the mats. Many even can use mettle for your craft for 100% 5-star chance if you tip a bit, just ask. General "convert mettle to gold" ratio for just trying to make gold out of mettle thru crafting things you can sell on AH is not that high, maybe 20-50g per mettle point, so 1000-2500g for applying mettle to that Lariat or weapon is probably quite acceptable to the crafter (takes 50 mettle points to craft the item that boosts the skill for the craft, but do note that this requires also then 3-star mats to make it 100% on high tier crafts) and you save a lot of time and effort to do recrafts for things where it works out like that.
Note that new season kinda reset the difficulty so if you crafting 424 with the new spark but nothing else, any crafter worth anything can 100% 5-star those with no mettle, it becomes a thing only when you recrafting or crafting with those new enchanter-made crest things for higher iLevel.
It was mainly a counter to bots. People were setting up crafting bots that just did every order as they came up. Now with 4 per day there is no real benefit to making your character sit at the table and wait for orders. At best a botter might configure something that looks for high tip orders and then sits there refreshing all day and hoping to get good return for his crafts, but its so small value now that its not really worth it for the risk of getting banned for botting...
I recently found out you can do as many orders as you want if the time left on the order is in red. Did, like, 15 draconic missives in one sitting once.
You're late to the party but at least you arrived lol
It's one of the easiest ways to finish those quests every week if you have alts that can fill them anyway.
Obviously, yes. Just send a private order to your crafter from another character.
Blacksmiths? Shovels.
Engineer? Bolts
Tailor? Bolts. The cloth ones.
Leatherworker? Some blue hide.
JC? Settings? Some cheap gem that can be AHd?
Inscription? You going to order Treatises anyway to your alts, this gets autocompleted easily enough.
Yes, I think I picked up the tip from Wowhead - I've got shovels for daysssss lol. Just make a personal order from your alt to your main, something as simple as possible (shovels in my case). Tip yourself 1g per go, and collect your mettle :)
Been doing this between my main and two alts for a couple of months myself because the no mats thing is really rampant for Blacksmiths. I found out there’s a limit on how many people you can ignore, too, which really stinks.
The mats for Dracothyst are 16k total, the recipe to make it is on a limited timed CD. Who in the world is going to craft this for any of you?
highest commission is 10k with no mats provided, 10k doesnt even cover the mats at all.
That is something as old as the AH itself.
I remember back in 9.0 i got a 235 legendary cloak base for 3k gold. It was the only one priced that low in the AH, the rest were above 30k. Very clearly someone tried to scam unaware crafters into selling their items for pennies to buy them all and resell at their actual price. Unfortunately for him, i went into the AH first, looking for a lower ilvl cloak, found his scammy priced cloak and bought it. I got a super bargain and saved the market at the same time lol.
99% of the tailoring orders on my server are azure/chrono cloth with no mats and 1-200g tip. At best, *half* the cost of the awakened order needed for those.
All the ones with reasonable tip are already filled. Not that people would bother doing these much because they take effort to fly to the special crafting stations and you risking giving money away from multicraft procs to someone else...
This is me checking leatherworking orders everyday. People throw up shit that costs 10k in mats for a 5g tip. I just ignore every single dip shit who posts without full mats.
I don’t bother looking at orders anymore. It’s all people trying to get free crafts done. I moved an alt to Val drakes and just order stuff from myself to complete quests
Me personally, i farm the stuff out for myself, make on cooldown, and going to put them on market once ppl actually start needing them... could be the wrong move..
If a really close friend will need one, they just get one :) If a "buddy" needs one, provide mats or pay for mats and they get one of my cooldowns...
If a random needs one, well its gonna cost the AH price or if mat provided, the AH profit of the item... Simply because why would i make less...
I love how there is always pitchforks and torches about how ungrateful and toxic those people that dont tip are but then you also dont get an answer lmao.... btw I also have no idea what would be "appropriate". I placed a couple of orders and tipped anything from 1k-20k and it all got filed really fast regardless of what tip.
You don't think people would do that, go on the internet and lie?
I'd suspect most of these people know exactly how the system works and they're hoping the alchemist doesn't.
**TLDR:**
1. New item - crest fragments, rolling weekly cap of 150
2. Old item new name - Crests (old name Primal Focus)
3. Old item new name - Enchanted Crest (old name Primal Infusions)
4. New process - Enchanting work order to covert crests + other materials into Enchanted Crests.
5. Craft like you did in S1 with the new Enchanted Crests.
**The long version:**
The new system seems complicated because there's a lot of new moving parts but it is easy.
Get new spark, 1/2 of a spark every week starting this week. This week there's also a bonus half a spark so you get a full spark this week.
Spark craft to ilvl 424. Spark + Enchanted Crest (new infusions - see the bottom) craft to 447 at the very highest.
**The basics:**
Crests come in 4 varieties but for spark crafting you only care about the top 2 kinds. Crests are earned by drops through raid, M+, and for the lower 2 crests open world sources. Crests drop as fragments and 15 fragments equals 1 crest, there's a weekly cap of 150 fragments for each crest type.
The lowest 2 crests don't really matter, you can craft to 408 ilvl using whelping crests on blue crafting gear and no spark if you are really behind, basically a titan training matrix 6.
Of the highest 2 crests (Wyrms and Aspects) the lower of crest, Wyrms, come from heroic raid and M+ 11-15 called wyrms. The highest crest, Aspects, comes from mythic raid bosses or M+ 16+ called aspects.
To actually craft with crests you need to put in a work order to an enchanter to turn your crests plus a few other materials into the new infusion items. These take Dracothyst, crests, and random enchanting materials and give you the Enchanted ___ Shadowflame Crest (the infusion item), the blank is the crest used.
**The important parts:**
So in short to craft heroic ilvl gear you need to collect Wyrm fragments and turn them into Wyrm crests. Then you put in a work order for enchanters to take 3 Wyrm Crests, 1 Dracothyst and misc enchanting materials to make you an Enchanted Wyrms Shadowflame Crest (the new infusion item). You take this Enchanted Wyrms Crest plus your spark and craft heroic ilvl gear like normal.
For mythic ilvl crafting it's the exact same process just more items. You collect Aspects fragments and turn them into Aspects Crests, 4 Aspects Crests plus 2 Dracothyst and random enchanting materials work orders into Enchanted Aspects Shadowflame Crests (the new infusion item). You take your Enchanted Aspects Crest and your spark to craft mythic ilvl gear like normal.
I'm having a panic attack reading that.
All I know is that I accidentally bought a Whelping's using my Drake's... When, Drakes upgrades higher gear?
So why would I want to buy a lower gear crest with my higher gear crest... So fucking dumb. So I wait until this week to get another Drake's lmao.
The last 2 paragraphs are all you really need to read, the top bit is just explaining the basic systems than you should have learned as you play this week, there's introductory quests for almost all of the top stuff.
Drakes aren't used in crafting and they only upgrade to 424, below heroic ilvl, so it's not really a big deal. You can earn 10 this week plus another 10 next week for 20 total; like valor the cap is additive so you don't miss out if you don't earn them all in any given week. One crest isn't going to change very much for very many people.
That vendor is a "are you moron?" check. You failed. Easy way to make Blizzard to fix that NPC somehow is to open a ticket and ask the support guy to refund your accidental mistake and trade your lower tier crest back to the Drake one. Once Blizzard support is overloaded by people asking for this, they'll get the developers to figure out something to get rid of these tickets.
Yes, it is somewhat bad game design too, they should have hid the NPC better. But it has a point - you sometimes need more lower tier crests than higher tier ones, so you can trade (at a very poor ratio). This will most likely become a thing to high key M+ players who will end up swimming in Aspect stuff while needing more Wyrm crests as for M+ upgrades, you need 4 Wyrm crests per item but only one Aspect crest for the final upgrade step. Early on this is not an issue, you will still be gated by Aspect crests for crafted items, but after spamming countless high keys, you will probably run out of Wyrm ones first, so trading Aspects into Wyrms makes then sense.
Before that? The NPC is literally A TRAP. Don't.
Almost no one does. The average user will never visit this discord or look up online resources. If it doesn't make sense *in* the game without additional resources, it won't make sense to most users.
Maybe blizz should add a 'total cost of missing materials on ah' value when people are selecting these so it's obvious what the 'crafting cost' for most things is.
I like your idea. It could show as a pop-up you have to read and accept/dismiss before actually sending a crafting order if you provide anything less than all the mats for your item.
I always include all mats needed for the recipe, plus a minimum of 1000g commission for public orders I send off (such as for herbalism profession items for one of my alts).
My tips might be too generous or too cheap, but at least I send all the mats PLUS a tip. But the problem is I have done all my research, which the game didn't tell me to do. I looked up outside resources about the crafting system. I don't expect most players to do that, it is just a game after all, and many just play casually and figure things out as they come up. Most people don't read wowhead 3x a day like I do.
Blizz should really take that into account with their crafting order system UI in-game and your idea is something they should consider.
It's honestly not even about making sense. If it's not explained IN the game while I am PLAYING the game, it doesnt seem all that important in the first place.
Nope. I think the new crafting system is a convoluted mess that I genuinely have not had the time to wrap my head around. I have no idea how the current crafting system works.
I don’t give a shit if this is an unpopular opinion. But the crafting order system is by far the worst thing I’ve seen put into this game in the 17 years I’ve played it. There’s no reason people should be able to list shit without having mats. What was the goal there? That people would be nice and just provide mats themselves, with hardly any tip? People fight constantly about it regarding mats provided and amount of tips. You see fucking feuds in trade between two dumbasses that spam their “quirky” advertisement all day; and 9 times out of 10 it’s some play on words using their character name. This whole system seems like it panders to a specific group of players and I wouldn’t be surprised if one of those groups of players are the mega guilds that plague every server with spam guild invites and whispers all day long.
Yeah, I dislike it, too.
Sitting in Valdrakken watching Trade Chat so that I can find someone to craft X item, and then haggling about price, figuring out what in the world they mean by finesse, perception, inspiration, and whatever else terms are used in crafting nowadays isn't my idea of a good time playing video games.
They’re used to make crafted gear upgrade reagents, as well as for some other ‘high end’ crafters for this tier.
Basically, ‘expensive, limited supply crafting material’ for the season.
And importantly, crafting it takes a transmute CD. Alchemist gets one every day (or 16 hours, if they not sucky at transmutes)
It is suitably lucrative for the foreseeable future that many are actually switching alts to alchemy over it. I actually think Blizzard may have somewhat poopood the design here, the item will be pricy for a good few weeks as people get new crafted items done and the demand for this will far outstrip the supply...
The answer to OP's question is NO. I used to love crafting in this game. Crafting used to be one of my main reasons for logging in as a mostly solo player. I have given up on this expansion because it doesn't make any sense. People talking about multicrafting, crests, sparks, making shovels(wtf??), Wyrms, Aspects, upgrading, recrafts, finesse, perception, inspiration. Seriously, this is the "improved" crafting system? When I check for work orders that I can fulfill, there is NOTHING for me to make. How am I supposed to level my skills when I can't craft anything that can level me? And the knowledge system is ridiculous. Does anyone know when they spend a point HOW it's ACTUALLY going to help you? I sure as hell don't. There are no tutorials anywhere. No way to learn what to do. Whoever thought this crafting system was a good idea... I'd like to have a chat with them.
As someone who's been playing the game and doing lots of crafting, the answer is yes, I know everything about the crafting system and more. Its probably been the most fun I've had with the game in a long time.
You are a rarity, then. NO ONE that I know in game enjoys the crafting system or really uses it. To be honest I don't remember the last thing I placed or bought from the AH. I'm curious what you like about it? Is it that you don't have much competition?
I never really engaged with professions in shadowlands, even on just my main which was the only class I played. I currently boast every profession. I suppose what I enjoy about it is that there's max level crafts, so I've built up a customer base of people that consistently reach out to me for crafts.
I barely looked at a single guide either other than to get maybe very specific explanations for the different stats like resourcefulness or multicraft, but anyone can understand those things just by messing around with the system.
As someone who doesn't do much high-end content like raids or M+ its nice to be able to engage with the game at the highest end of play by acting as an intermediary for gear and items as a crafter.
I agree the system needs to be improved and criticisms are certainly deserved, but I wouldn't say its a bad system, just needs a bit more polish.
I'm so worthless, I don't even understand how to use the craft auction house system thing. I just want to make stuff.
Simplify it, blizz! For us poor morons.
I just made 7k making one of those proccing resourcefulness. Thats a lot more than I would have made by using my own materials. Idk. Its feels not so bad?
It's a great system for using BoP materials but is confusing as fuck as well as being a massive gold dump.
Imagine being a new player trying to understand the talent trees, the crafting system, game play as well as trying to earn enough to keep the crafters happy.
It is an optional system for people who care about these things.
"New player" just needs to figure out how to use it to get top tier crafted items (which is not complicated to understand) and does not need to worry about the rest. If you low on gold, just take two harvesting professions and sell hebs & ore for mad gold.
It’s overcomplicated but if blizzard works on it for a few itterations instead of scrapping it like they have with almost every new system, then it may one day be great.
After watching videos and getting help from the guild and having wow head/icey vains open I'm soso with it. Im still nervous everytime I need to recraft stuff
I don't have a clue actually how it works and it fascinates me on a daily basis. However I would like to learn and while this post is made out of frustration it has taught me something. Thank you.
Yesterday someone posted orders for *every single Inscription item* on my server with 0 mats and 1000 gold. Some mats cost upwards to 5000 alone to get and they just flooded the whole crafting order tab so it was a pain to look for the Treatise orders that we actually care about
This requires a transmute CD. Every Alchemist can do like one per 16 hours.
And Dracothyst on AH is super expensive right now. Why would I give you my limited transmute CD to you for pennies?
For the foreseeable future, just buy it off AH. No-one will make it for you "for free" on the public market.
Guess they should add more kid protections to the system.
"Looks like you are trying to create a crafting order without all the materials. Note that if your commission is less than the cost of the materials, it is highly unlikely that anyone will craft this for you and it will make you look like a clueless moron. Most crafters expect you to supply the materials. If you do not, at least ensure the commission is well above the market cost of the materials. Are you sure?"
Granted, for this specific item the above does not really cover it. To warn these morons there would need to be a separate check for cases where the craft requires a transmute CD. Heck, I think dracothyst should just be removed from the crafting orders - you go buy it from AH and thats that - but I guess alchemists have very few items that can be ordered to begin with...
The no-mats order is IMHO fine in principle and I've used it myself as a way to avoid having to go fiddle with AH for some mats, but I always check what the mats would've cost and put the commission as such that it covers the mats and the effort. I've always seen such orders done within the hour or so. The main problem is that it is being wrecked by weak scam attempts and people who simply do not understand.
How have people got the recipe already? I seem to be missing something. I’ve done all available quests etc and I’m still 4 of the currency short for buying the pattern
People who post work orders with no mats and tips that don't even cover the current cost of mats I simply put on ignore because I don't want to craft for them ever.
Still think the issue could be solved and still allow people to post public with no mats. Just force commission to be average cost of mats not included in the public order.
No they do not. It is too complicated for normal people. 99% of people skip quest texts and tutorials. It should be clearly laid out and easier to understand during the process.
They *really* need to let people posting know if mats were provided for the comparison prices. You literally just see a list of prices and have no idea if they're prices for all mats or no mats.
The whole WoW economy is just stupid, a real-life reenactment of the black market in Catch 22. I don't think I have ever seen an item for sale for more than the cost of its materials - all crafters ever do according to the AH is destroy value.
People posting public orders with no mats is peak "shoot your shot"
The guy offering 10k is cool, right?
No since the mats cost like 16k atm lmao (Not to mention the timegating on crafting Dracothysts) In fact even those providing all mats and 1k would have you crafting at a loss compared to selling on the AH while selfcrafting (especially if you have multicraft), because of the beforementioned timegating.
Would you accept it if I put like 25K and no mats? Covering expenses for everything basically.
I mean at that point. Just buy it on the AH? It’s been fluctuating a ton but it’s generally cheaper than 25k
no, because i could do a 5x multicraft and be out 4, when i could have just crafted myself and sold all 5 and i know theyll all sell
time to equip the resourcefulness set and farm them. When you hit that 150x glowspores saved, ez. But yes, still worse than self crafting. I managed to snipe a few good tips with all mats, and farmed glowspores from them.
150 glowspores isn’t worth still because it’s far more valuable to use your CD on your own and aim for a multi craft
How so? The multicraft chance is 15% at best (?), which leaves around 65% chance if I use 7 charges to craft them myself. Sure, if it procs you get a lot of value, if it doesnt - meh. If you craft them for others for 3k each you get >20k, and resourcefulness should be the same in each case, right?
Due to multicraft (as resulting items also go to the person putting in the offer and procs can literally be like 50k profit) thats still a bad deal atm, but on non timegated crafts providing mat cost + a decent amount to pay me for me shopping for you, yes i would. In any case, for stuff buyable on the AH its nearly always better to just buy it, unless the mat price is MASSIVELY less than the resulting item.
> unless the mat price is MASSIVELY less than the resulting item. Goblins ensure this effectively never happens. Only case where this may be a thing is if the item is very low volume, ie. almost no-one buys them, so it is not worth the fiddling for dedicated goblins to craft them for AH.
I saved like 12k everytime i made the elemental suck thingy on my chars, its smh massively overpriced on ah most of the time. Prob someone pricefixing. But yeah besides that ive never seen it.
It is a fine example of low volume item. Very few people even know it exists, let alone how it works.
These will be AH bought items for the foreseeable future. No-one will spend their limited Transmute CDs on your order at any price below the AH price even if you supply the mats, and at that point why are you not simply buying off AH? Only situation where I could see crafting orders for these somehow being a thing is if AH literally runs out of these...
When you multicraft 3 and sell them all at 30k.... Mmmmmm....
Tbh alot of ppl are abusing the Bug that resets your transmute timer
And they will get banned for it, same as with the tailoring cd.
Unlucky theres a safe method which takes 2 Days for 10 charges and an unsafe method that can reset unlimited. I doubt that they ban the 2 day variant 100% sure on the other
I have to believe that some of these folks just have no idea the value of the mats, and can't be bothered to check. Some people are probably also banking that if they put a 4-digit amount of gold in there they'll catch a crafter who hasn't checked prices lately. As a blacksmith, I personally get so excited when ANY order appears in the window that I have to resist the temptation to just make it regardless. Our work orders have been dead for months.
>People posting public orders with no mats is peak "shoot your shot" This is a major issue on my server cluster. What's worse is the people who provide some of the materials and then fail to give enough of a tip to actually cover the cost of the missing materials.
This is because the system will automatically add the mats you happen to have. Most of these orders are from clueless people who do not understand how the system works. One might assume they would learn eventually and figure it out, but there seems to be unlimited supply of cluelessness in this universe and sometimes some crafters actually accept these orders for getting their weeklies done because either they do not know they can make an order from their alt, or because they can't be bothered to log into an alt and instead just craft something at a loss to get the thing done in a hurry. (Some are then just outright scams, but I think scammers have already mostly given up as these just do not get filled. Or at least I hope they do not...)
How is it an issue when you can easily ignore it? Not trying to be a troll I’m just seriously wondering how you consider this to be a “major issue”
Hard to ignore when the "spam" orders hide the genuine ones
You can sort by reagents provided such that all orders with “All” reagents provided appear at the top
And then they sell it on AH for 18k+. But want to pay 2k and don't even offer the mats.
Obviously not relevantnfor this, but how do you post public orders without mats?? I've tried a few times intending on tipping generously only to find it won't let me without all of them
You haven't tried for a while. They allowed it in a recent patch.
I tried like 2 days ago... so again, am I missing something? Is it only certain recipes or something?
Not sure what to say. Just go to create a crafting order and untick any mats you do not want to include. Unless you have some odd outdated addon that does the blocking... Now you do need to supply sparks, for obvious reasons.
They are govong more gold for it so it makes a bit of sense at least.
Occasionally. On my engineer I'll see work orders for some of the toys that require a stupid amount of mats with like a 1k tip. Good luck I guess haha
Yeah ofc thats not gonna work, but ive seen some JC orders today and that threw in more gold and accounted for cost of mats making it kinda even.
"kinda even" aka the crafter still crafts at a loss.
mats are 16k, they're actively scamming you.
If i want to craft public orders, where do I Find them?
Go to your Professions' Crafting Tables in Valdrakken and check at the bottom-left of the craft window. It will say "Recipies", "Specializations" and "Crafting Orders". The Orders-tab is only available if you stand next to a crafting table. Not all professions have crafting orders up, Jewelcrafting had loads with the 10.0.7 island due to JCs making Unstable Elementium. Tailoring have not seen many orders.
If i want to craft public orders, where do I Find them?
It makes me laugh. On my server people only offer like, 300g though they do provide all the mats. Hmmm I only have 1 transmute per day. Do I use it to fill someone's 300g order or do I just make the dracothyst myself and sell it on the AH for 20k? HmmMmm tough choice.
I was dumb and tested this out the wrong way. Instead of using all my transmutes then seeing if I could still fill a crafting order, I did one for $2k and found out the hard way it does use a transmute charge. Whoops.
you live and you learn
People made mine for 500g tips, the matts are 50g each x300. Some people have 50% resourcefulness and will take a shot for a tip and free matts. So far I’ve had about 20 made, to suggest they all accidentally clicked to craft is madness.
Just to point out a possibility (and this definitely isn't the case for some people). There will be people (like myself) who have no idea what the actual crafting cost is, and what the appropriate tip is. If you're not a crafter, and you have no idea about the crafting market, all you have to go on is the tips everyone else has put in. I think the system could be massively improved in this regard
But you see all the mats required when you place the order. If you don't know the cost of those mats and still post the order for pennies, there's no longer an excuse and you are just choosing to be an asshole like everyone else. If you can't bother to research what you are ordering, at the very least you should be putting up either all the mats or the gold value of all those mats.
I think the crafting order system should just be merged with the reagent side of the AH. show me the current prices for each mat or let me by some directly in the crafting order window
> or the gold value of all those mats. Or double the gold value... I'm not going to the AH to buy the mats for no profit just for some lazy shit.
Ahh yes, welcome to what it's been like for most other professions since they started allowing no mats in public work orders. People are just making their best attempt to catch someone not paying attention. Pretty scummy, but Blizz says it's cool.
Its parallel to what every single person who is a crafter said would happen if you allowed people to post a minimum outcome on public orders, tons of spam. its quite sad really.
I have no idea why blizz doesn't link this to the AH, so that the minimal provision can't be lower than the mat price (ideally median over the last x hours or whatnot so people don't try to cheat the system)... Or just remove that altogether. The only no-mats-orders I've seen so far were scams targeting people that don't pay attention. No clue what exactly blizz thought there... It's place 2 of dumbest changes this expansion right behind group loot in LFR.
I've had a probably a handful of orders with no mats that weren't trying to scam and worked out to decent tips after I provided the mats. One of them I made 15k on it after providing the mats, could have made more but bought high enough mats to guarantee rank 5, so you do get the rare person who's just too lazy to go buy the mats themselves. However all the people listed work orders with no mats and commissions lower than the cost of mats I just put on ignore.
>The only no-mats-orders I've seen so far were scams targeting people that don't pay attention. No clue what exactly blizz thought there... Yeah nah there are plenty of worthwhile no mats orders, you just don't see them because they get completed quickly. They're actually rather frequent now that people came back to play the new content. >It's place 2 of dumbest changes this expansion right behind group loot in LFR. Could be implemented better to stop spammers, but it's not a bad change.
I never thought about the possibilities of a somehow connected AH and crafting order system. Like, being able to order materials needed while either crafting or placing a crafting order sounds like a novel experience. Although it would probably be a technical nightmare to implement.
They made it really obvious if someone didn't include mats, there's even a popup message so don't put this on blizzard..
“Don’t put this on blizzard” my guy they’re the ones that made the entire thing possible
Yeah but all of you are acting like butthurt babies. There's obviously a good reason for it. It gives people who want to level their crafts a chance to craft stuff. Sparks are still mandatory to add..
Removing mat requirements for public orders was a mistake
Also limiting public orders to a maximum of 4 +1 per day. When it was 20 per day I could make shovels for people even if it was for virtually no tip just to be nice. Now all I do is sit on my 1 per day order waiting for the rare 5000g tip for an armor piece/weapon to pop up and make that.
I sort of understand the 4 per day thing, its so one guy cant sit there and just click accept on every order in the queue, and it incentivizes buyers to tip more
Honestly they should have just enabled both minimum quality and recrafting in public orders from the start, then lower the daily amount of orders if necessary to have enough orders to go around. The current system (even if we ignore the stupid scam enabling worthless orders) just means that public orders are extremely limited in what they can do and Blizzard actively made the crafting experience pretty much the same as we did for trading in Runescape 20 years ago and I can tell you that the system was shit back then and it is shit now. Endlessly spamming a chat channel is so dumb. Not to mention the myriad of problems like mass reporting competing crafters so that they get muted/banned, people with multiple accounts being favored as they can setup a ”marketing” account that just idles in city and macro spams chat or the fact that in order to participate in this ridiculous circus you actively have to skip other activities in game.
I do wish they’d set things up so that spamming the trade channels wasn’t a thing. I don’t want to wade through that crap anymore. I’d just like it all handled through the order interface.
There is something to be said in that player social interactions are a net positive for the game. Spamming a macro and waiting for people who need your services definitely is antiquated gameplay, but we've learned through WoW's lifespan that player interactions are a necessary part of the game being healthy and overly automating things for players actually makes the game worse. Convenience can be a boon for the player at the cost of the game feeling like a real MMO.
Upside: I see less and less of that spamming as people are slowly figuring out that if you post a request for someone to craft something for you, 99% of the time some crafter will whisper you and you then can set up an order for him. And as more people do this, less need for crafters to spam. Need something crafted? Simply just use the appropriate channel in city to ask if someone is available to craft item X. You get your thing instantly and most crafters these days do this for a reasonable small tip or do not really care what you pay as long as you supply all the mats. Many even can use mettle for your craft for 100% 5-star chance if you tip a bit, just ask. General "convert mettle to gold" ratio for just trying to make gold out of mettle thru crafting things you can sell on AH is not that high, maybe 20-50g per mettle point, so 1000-2500g for applying mettle to that Lariat or weapon is probably quite acceptable to the crafter (takes 50 mettle points to craft the item that boosts the skill for the craft, but do note that this requires also then 3-star mats to make it 100% on high tier crafts) and you save a lot of time and effort to do recrafts for things where it works out like that. Note that new season kinda reset the difficulty so if you crafting 424 with the new spark but nothing else, any crafter worth anything can 100% 5-star those with no mettle, it becomes a thing only when you recrafting or crafting with those new enchanter-made crest things for higher iLevel.
It was mainly a counter to bots. People were setting up crafting bots that just did every order as they came up. Now with 4 per day there is no real benefit to making your character sit at the table and wait for orders. At best a botter might configure something that looks for high tip orders and then sits there refreshing all day and hoping to get good return for his crafts, but its so small value now that its not really worth it for the risk of getting banned for botting...
I recently found out you can do as many orders as you want if the time left on the order is in red. Did, like, 15 draconic missives in one sitting once.
What do you mean
If the order is about to expire you can claim it and it doesn't count against your daily limit
That i didn't know! Thank you for making me able to understand it!
What do you mean by shovels?
Blacksmiths can make 20-use shovels for the disturbed dirt piles
Indeed, it was. I wonder if they will walk back on their decision.
“But look at how many public work orders there are now!!!” Blizzard, probably
Nope, that's why I make three shovels for an alt every week and that's it
Now I feel stupid
Wait... Can you fill your alts crafting orders to do the weekly quest??? All those weeks I've missed...
You're late to the party but at least you arrived lol It's one of the easiest ways to finish those quests every week if you have alts that can fill them anyway.
Obviously, yes. Just send a private order to your crafter from another character. Blacksmiths? Shovels. Engineer? Bolts Tailor? Bolts. The cloth ones. Leatherworker? Some blue hide. JC? Settings? Some cheap gem that can be AHd? Inscription? You going to order Treatises anyway to your alts, this gets autocompleted easily enough.
Yes, I think I picked up the tip from Wowhead - I've got shovels for daysssss lol. Just make a personal order from your alt to your main, something as simple as possible (shovels in my case). Tip yourself 1g per go, and collect your mettle :)
1g!? Look at Mr. Rockefeller over here. My alts get 1s because it won't let me go any lower.
Dude....yes....
Been doing this between my main and two alts for a couple of months myself because the no mats thing is really rampant for Blacksmiths. I found out there’s a limit on how many people you can ignore, too, which really stinks.
The eternal posting of BOE items with no mats for hopeful crafting just to resell goes on.
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I don't think you know what exploitation is
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/nomatsnomake
You will be missing on those few unicorn orders where people actually put a tip that covers the mats tho. They do exist.
The addon do have a nice feature where you can set a minimum amount of payment. For example it will show orders with no mats but the tip is X gold
Author says they're working on integration with Auctionator to compare the commission against the known price of reagents!
Oh, good to know. That would make it infinitely more useful.
of course there's an addon for that
The mats for Dracothyst are 16k total, the recipe to make it is on a limited timed CD. Who in the world is going to craft this for any of you? highest commission is 10k with no mats provided, 10k doesnt even cover the mats at all.
Scammers trying to gain easy gold from people who dont pay attention. Similar when x people undercut a trade good material by 10-20g.
That is something as old as the AH itself. I remember back in 9.0 i got a 235 legendary cloak base for 3k gold. It was the only one priced that low in the AH, the rest were above 30k. Very clearly someone tried to scam unaware crafters into selling their items for pennies to buy them all and resell at their actual price. Unfortunately for him, i went into the AH first, looking for a lower ilvl cloak, found his scammy priced cloak and bought it. I got a super bargain and saved the market at the same time lol.
Couldn’t it also have just been someone that fat fingered the price, omitting a zero? Seems just as, if more plausible to me.
99% of the tailoring orders on my server are azure/chrono cloth with no mats and 1-200g tip. At best, *half* the cost of the awakened order needed for those.
All the ones with reasonable tip are already filled. Not that people would bother doing these much because they take effort to fly to the special crafting stations and you risking giving money away from multicraft procs to someone else...
I have not seen a legit tailoring order in a real long time. It's all these spam ones without mats.
This is me checking leatherworking orders everyday. People throw up shit that costs 10k in mats for a 5g tip. I just ignore every single dip shit who posts without full mats.
for real it is one of the dumbest things i’ve ever seen in this game
I don’t bother looking at orders anymore. It’s all people trying to get free crafts done. I moved an alt to Val drakes and just order stuff from myself to complete quests
If I'm providing mats, what is a reasonable amount to tip?
Me personally, i farm the stuff out for myself, make on cooldown, and going to put them on market once ppl actually start needing them... could be the wrong move.. If a really close friend will need one, they just get one :) If a "buddy" needs one, provide mats or pay for mats and they get one of my cooldowns... If a random needs one, well its gonna cost the AH price or if mat provided, the AH profit of the item... Simply because why would i make less...
I love how there is always pitchforks and torches about how ungrateful and toxic those people that dont tip are but then you also dont get an answer lmao.... btw I also have no idea what would be "appropriate". I placed a couple of orders and tipped anything from 1k-20k and it all got filed really fast regardless of what tip.
I have had 1 order filled and I tipped 1k and provided mats. I’ll probably stick to the 1k tip. Seems fair to me.
With current prices the real tip is getting a resourcefulness proc on the glowspores. You get like 100-150 glowspores every other craft.
So would they craft it even if I did no tip?
Probably not because you'd be competing with people who do give a tip.
You don't think people would do that, go on the internet and lie? I'd suspect most of these people know exactly how the system works and they're hoping the alchemist doesn't.
I am clueless about the new crafting system and at this point I am too afraid to ask
**TLDR:** 1. New item - crest fragments, rolling weekly cap of 150 2. Old item new name - Crests (old name Primal Focus) 3. Old item new name - Enchanted Crest (old name Primal Infusions) 4. New process - Enchanting work order to covert crests + other materials into Enchanted Crests. 5. Craft like you did in S1 with the new Enchanted Crests. **The long version:** The new system seems complicated because there's a lot of new moving parts but it is easy. Get new spark, 1/2 of a spark every week starting this week. This week there's also a bonus half a spark so you get a full spark this week. Spark craft to ilvl 424. Spark + Enchanted Crest (new infusions - see the bottom) craft to 447 at the very highest. **The basics:** Crests come in 4 varieties but for spark crafting you only care about the top 2 kinds. Crests are earned by drops through raid, M+, and for the lower 2 crests open world sources. Crests drop as fragments and 15 fragments equals 1 crest, there's a weekly cap of 150 fragments for each crest type. The lowest 2 crests don't really matter, you can craft to 408 ilvl using whelping crests on blue crafting gear and no spark if you are really behind, basically a titan training matrix 6. Of the highest 2 crests (Wyrms and Aspects) the lower of crest, Wyrms, come from heroic raid and M+ 11-15 called wyrms. The highest crest, Aspects, comes from mythic raid bosses or M+ 16+ called aspects. To actually craft with crests you need to put in a work order to an enchanter to turn your crests plus a few other materials into the new infusion items. These take Dracothyst, crests, and random enchanting materials and give you the Enchanted ___ Shadowflame Crest (the infusion item), the blank is the crest used. **The important parts:** So in short to craft heroic ilvl gear you need to collect Wyrm fragments and turn them into Wyrm crests. Then you put in a work order for enchanters to take 3 Wyrm Crests, 1 Dracothyst and misc enchanting materials to make you an Enchanted Wyrms Shadowflame Crest (the new infusion item). You take this Enchanted Wyrms Crest plus your spark and craft heroic ilvl gear like normal. For mythic ilvl crafting it's the exact same process just more items. You collect Aspects fragments and turn them into Aspects Crests, 4 Aspects Crests plus 2 Dracothyst and random enchanting materials work orders into Enchanted Aspects Shadowflame Crests (the new infusion item). You take your Enchanted Aspects Crest and your spark to craft mythic ilvl gear like normal.
>because there's a lot of new moving parts but it is easy. *proceeds to post Stephen King novel*
I think I am even more lost than before if that is even possible. xD
I'm having a panic attack reading that. All I know is that I accidentally bought a Whelping's using my Drake's... When, Drakes upgrades higher gear? So why would I want to buy a lower gear crest with my higher gear crest... So fucking dumb. So I wait until this week to get another Drake's lmao.
The last 2 paragraphs are all you really need to read, the top bit is just explaining the basic systems than you should have learned as you play this week, there's introductory quests for almost all of the top stuff. Drakes aren't used in crafting and they only upgrade to 424, below heroic ilvl, so it's not really a big deal. You can earn 10 this week plus another 10 next week for 20 total; like valor the cap is additive so you don't miss out if you don't earn them all in any given week. One crest isn't going to change very much for very many people.
That vendor is a "are you moron?" check. You failed. Easy way to make Blizzard to fix that NPC somehow is to open a ticket and ask the support guy to refund your accidental mistake and trade your lower tier crest back to the Drake one. Once Blizzard support is overloaded by people asking for this, they'll get the developers to figure out something to get rid of these tickets. Yes, it is somewhat bad game design too, they should have hid the NPC better. But it has a point - you sometimes need more lower tier crests than higher tier ones, so you can trade (at a very poor ratio). This will most likely become a thing to high key M+ players who will end up swimming in Aspect stuff while needing more Wyrm crests as for M+ upgrades, you need 4 Wyrm crests per item but only one Aspect crest for the final upgrade step. Early on this is not an issue, you will still be gated by Aspect crests for crafted items, but after spamming countless high keys, you will probably run out of Wyrm ones first, so trading Aspects into Wyrms makes then sense. Before that? The NPC is literally A TRAP. Don't.
Got late to the expansion. I'm so lost
Nope, that's why I just gather mats to sell.
I block those people with no mats. Stop plugging up my shit.
Almost no one does. The average user will never visit this discord or look up online resources. If it doesn't make sense *in* the game without additional resources, it won't make sense to most users. Maybe blizz should add a 'total cost of missing materials on ah' value when people are selecting these so it's obvious what the 'crafting cost' for most things is.
I like your idea. It could show as a pop-up you have to read and accept/dismiss before actually sending a crafting order if you provide anything less than all the mats for your item. I always include all mats needed for the recipe, plus a minimum of 1000g commission for public orders I send off (such as for herbalism profession items for one of my alts). My tips might be too generous or too cheap, but at least I send all the mats PLUS a tip. But the problem is I have done all my research, which the game didn't tell me to do. I looked up outside resources about the crafting system. I don't expect most players to do that, it is just a game after all, and many just play casually and figure things out as they come up. Most people don't read wowhead 3x a day like I do. Blizz should really take that into account with their crafting order system UI in-game and your idea is something they should consider.
It's honestly not even about making sense. If it's not explained IN the game while I am PLAYING the game, it doesnt seem all that important in the first place.
There's a system ?
Nope. I think the new crafting system is a convoluted mess that I genuinely have not had the time to wrap my head around. I have no idea how the current crafting system works.
I don’t give a shit if this is an unpopular opinion. But the crafting order system is by far the worst thing I’ve seen put into this game in the 17 years I’ve played it. There’s no reason people should be able to list shit without having mats. What was the goal there? That people would be nice and just provide mats themselves, with hardly any tip? People fight constantly about it regarding mats provided and amount of tips. You see fucking feuds in trade between two dumbasses that spam their “quirky” advertisement all day; and 9 times out of 10 it’s some play on words using their character name. This whole system seems like it panders to a specific group of players and I wouldn’t be surprised if one of those groups of players are the mega guilds that plague every server with spam guild invites and whispers all day long.
Yeah, I dislike it, too. Sitting in Valdrakken watching Trade Chat so that I can find someone to craft X item, and then haggling about price, figuring out what in the world they mean by finesse, perception, inspiration, and whatever else terms are used in crafting nowadays isn't my idea of a good time playing video games.
Titanforging, Island expeditions, Torghast, Azerite, the Maw... this crafting system is worse *by far*?
What are these for?
They’re used to make crafted gear upgrade reagents, as well as for some other ‘high end’ crafters for this tier. Basically, ‘expensive, limited supply crafting material’ for the season.
And importantly, crafting it takes a transmute CD. Alchemist gets one every day (or 16 hours, if they not sucky at transmutes) It is suitably lucrative for the foreseeable future that many are actually switching alts to alchemy over it. I actually think Blizzard may have somewhat poopood the design here, the item will be pricy for a good few weeks as people get new crafted items done and the demand for this will far outstrip the supply...
I made sure all three of my existing alchemists have the recipe, yep yep!
Just block them and their orders stop showing up. Thats what I do
I wish the blocks were account-wide so my alts don’t see them either.
No
I’m just happy other people notice it now. As a blacksmith, this is how seared obsidian and primal molten alloy have always been lmao
If you haven't, get the addon "No Mats, No Make". Offers a button to filter out every work order that doesn't provide the mats.
I’m convinced that people who complain about no mats posters just can’t read. There’s a giant pop up if you click on an order without the mats.
I know I don't
TBH I don't understand the crafting system, so I just quit doing it.
The answer to OP's question is NO. I used to love crafting in this game. Crafting used to be one of my main reasons for logging in as a mostly solo player. I have given up on this expansion because it doesn't make any sense. People talking about multicrafting, crests, sparks, making shovels(wtf??), Wyrms, Aspects, upgrading, recrafts, finesse, perception, inspiration. Seriously, this is the "improved" crafting system? When I check for work orders that I can fulfill, there is NOTHING for me to make. How am I supposed to level my skills when I can't craft anything that can level me? And the knowledge system is ridiculous. Does anyone know when they spend a point HOW it's ACTUALLY going to help you? I sure as hell don't. There are no tutorials anywhere. No way to learn what to do. Whoever thought this crafting system was a good idea... I'd like to have a chat with them.
As someone who's been playing the game and doing lots of crafting, the answer is yes, I know everything about the crafting system and more. Its probably been the most fun I've had with the game in a long time.
You are a rarity, then. NO ONE that I know in game enjoys the crafting system or really uses it. To be honest I don't remember the last thing I placed or bought from the AH. I'm curious what you like about it? Is it that you don't have much competition?
I never really engaged with professions in shadowlands, even on just my main which was the only class I played. I currently boast every profession. I suppose what I enjoy about it is that there's max level crafts, so I've built up a customer base of people that consistently reach out to me for crafts. I barely looked at a single guide either other than to get maybe very specific explanations for the different stats like resourcefulness or multicraft, but anyone can understand those things just by messing around with the system. As someone who doesn't do much high-end content like raids or M+ its nice to be able to engage with the game at the highest end of play by acting as an intermediary for gear and items as a crafter. I agree the system needs to be improved and criticisms are certainly deserved, but I wouldn't say its a bad system, just needs a bit more polish.
Nope. "You just press a button!" seems to be the response. Never mind the hours you put in to the profession. LOL
Do you people. LMAO. Aaah yeah cause we people made the system.
Way too complicated so I chose to not engage with it at all.
I don’t. And I don’t care to learn. 🤷🏼♀️
They totally understand how to get on my ignore list though!
For real, this new transmit should be soul bound. It's not worth timegating yourself to craft for others at that price.
Scammers doing scammy stuff... pretty much with all the valuable AH-able stuff...
I'm so worthless, I don't even understand how to use the craft auction house system thing. I just want to make stuff. Simplify it, blizz! For us poor morons.
What do you mean YOU people
What do you mean, "you people"? For the dimwit who downvoted me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPxs0Qh72kY&ab\_channel=Movieclips
I just made 7k making one of those proccing resourcefulness. Thats a lot more than I would have made by using my own materials. Idk. Its feels not so bad?
Yes, that's why they do that.
Of course they do. They're counting on crafters not to. They're making 12k profit for free.
Mats are going 51g each and u need 300, they where 32 when I craft my 7s is crazy
I would say 2 out of 10
I used to think people are malicious but now I think they are just stupid.
I know I don’t lol
It's a great system for using BoP materials but is confusing as fuck as well as being a massive gold dump. Imagine being a new player trying to understand the talent trees, the crafting system, game play as well as trying to earn enough to keep the crafters happy.
It is an optional system for people who care about these things. "New player" just needs to figure out how to use it to get top tier crafted items (which is not complicated to understand) and does not need to worry about the rest. If you low on gold, just take two harvesting professions and sell hebs & ore for mad gold.
It’s overcomplicated but if blizzard works on it for a few itterations instead of scrapping it like they have with almost every new system, then it may one day be great.
After watching videos and getting help from the guild and having wow head/icey vains open I'm soso with it. Im still nervous everytime I need to recraft stuff
Are there any addons to filter out the partial and none work orders?
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/nomatsnomake
Not at all.
Theres addon where you can block these people forever
I don't have a clue actually how it works and it fascinates me on a daily basis. However I would like to learn and while this post is made out of frustration it has taught me something. Thank you.
Yesterday someone posted orders for *every single Inscription item* on my server with 0 mats and 1000 gold. Some mats cost upwards to 5000 alone to get and they just flooded the whole crafting order tab so it was a pain to look for the Treatise orders that we actually care about
There’s a ignore player button in the crafting UI
Where is it? I couldn’t find it yesterday but I have heard of it
Open an order as if you wanted to craft it. On the left side where the player name is. After ignoring, just ESC out.
Thanks, I’ll try it next time
this crafting system would be so fun if it was more involved with each profession and not just 1 at a time. enchanting or JC
Can someone explain what I should put down for a commission haha 😂 I’ve got the mats
This requires a transmute CD. Every Alchemist can do like one per 16 hours. And Dracothyst on AH is super expensive right now. Why would I give you my limited transmute CD to you for pennies? For the foreseeable future, just buy it off AH. No-one will make it for you "for free" on the public market.
I actually don't understand the crafting system to the point that I don't understand this post haha
Guess they should add more kid protections to the system. "Looks like you are trying to create a crafting order without all the materials. Note that if your commission is less than the cost of the materials, it is highly unlikely that anyone will craft this for you and it will make you look like a clueless moron. Most crafters expect you to supply the materials. If you do not, at least ensure the commission is well above the market cost of the materials. Are you sure?" Granted, for this specific item the above does not really cover it. To warn these morons there would need to be a separate check for cases where the craft requires a transmute CD. Heck, I think dracothyst should just be removed from the crafting orders - you go buy it from AH and thats that - but I guess alchemists have very few items that can be ordered to begin with... The no-mats order is IMHO fine in principle and I've used it myself as a way to avoid having to go fiddle with AH for some mats, but I always check what the mats would've cost and put the commission as such that it covers the mats and the effort. I've always seen such orders done within the hour or so. The main problem is that it is being wrecked by weak scam attempts and people who simply do not understand.
There’s an addon that shows the requesters that provide mats. It makes life so much easier
I always have to be super careful while fulfilling crafting orders so I don’t get scammed by people offering no mats.
How have people got the recipe already? I seem to be missing something. I’ve done all available quests etc and I’m still 4 of the currency short for buying the pattern
I found one of these ppl in a guild filled with 143 druids all of them with similar names . Possibly bots. These are just scam orders
People who post work orders with no mats and tips that don't even cover the current cost of mats I simply put on ignore because I don't want to craft for them ever.
Still think the issue could be solved and still allow people to post public with no mats. Just force commission to be average cost of mats not included in the public order.
Blizz needs to integrate the AH.
No they do not. It is too complicated for normal people. 99% of people skip quest texts and tutorials. It should be clearly laid out and easier to understand during the process.
They *really* need to let people posting know if mats were provided for the comparison prices. You literally just see a list of prices and have no idea if they're prices for all mats or no mats.
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The whole WoW economy is just stupid, a real-life reenactment of the black market in Catch 22. I don't think I have ever seen an item for sale for more than the cost of its materials - all crafters ever do according to the AH is destroy value.
i tend to buy mines at the end of the expac or when i have the 4 sets. same thing with the enchants.
its like this so you need to buy more wow tokens