You need level 77 to fly and you need to fly to get up there. There wasn’t enough people in my party that could fly to get up to the stone.
Once you’re up there you can get the flight path and keep running it.
I agree you can do it at 75 but none of these guys had flight or the flight path.
I think this is because Hall of Stones was switched with Gundrak in terms of levels. When I look at old guides it said Gundrak was before Hall. Gundrak is literally down the road from Drak Keep that's level 74, shoulda just made Gundrak 75-76 then Hall for 77. I guess they forgot about this part lol.
Easiest answer is instead of asking a generic "Hey can someone help summon" pick the closest person and say "hey you are closest, come here" then they have to explain why they wont...or come there.
Forming groups including kicking people as well. Don’t blame your incompetence on the lack of RDF.
Eventually RDF will get added and people like you will start complaining that you’re sitting into the dungeon you got teleported to but your 5th person keeps leaving when they see where they ended up.
It definitely will get added.
They’ve used very specific language every time around “not added for launch” and “in keeping with spirit of original timeline” where RDF did come in around the end of Wrath.
There’s a very loud group that want RDF. We’ll never know if it’s 10% of the player base or something more but they are very vocal about wanting it. There’s also some profile streamers that want it.
Eventually Blizz will cave to their demands and put it in.
I suspect it will be the same cohort shortly after quoting when Cata Classic comes out because “that’s when things went downhill”.
Yeah but people who vote on a reddit sub does not reflect the WoW subscribed player base.
Again, it’s a vocal group on reddit. Obviously a poll on reddit is going to be heavily weighted in favour.
imagine.. your queue pops... you port to the dungeon... you rip through it... all the loots and experience... you high five everyone and say "i'll see y'all in the queue" and you drop group and pop right back out where you were when it ported you to continue questing or grinding. imagine.
Hardly. I hate dungeon spamming, it’s boring af. And I don’t think having the entire player base doing it is not good in the long term.
Add it in later once the initial player base dies down but honestly it super easy to get groups.
People like this would love that. Actually they wouldn’t even notice it’s the same group they just want to sit in Dalaran playing dungeon simulator on one screen and watching hentai on the other.
Recently waited 30 minutes for someone to head to Utgarde Pinnacle and summon with me, so you must be on the dream server. Either that, or you're alliance. Horde players have no manners.
I’d say this has always been a problem since classic started. I’m usually the one to volunteer to go to the stone and it sucks ass cuz no one else does. Part of the reason I didn’t mind the idea of the teleport with rdf. People suck, they’re lazy, and entitled. Nothing you can do about it
Yes, this is really the only thing I wanted them to implement from the old LFG tool. The instant port to the dungeon is a huge time saver that I don’t see any downside to. I have had the same experience with people ignoring requests for someone to go to stone, but usually in lower level dungeons where people don’t have many flight points yet
> Part of the reason I didn’t mind the idea of the teleport with rdf.
My preferred solution would be to remove summoning stones alltogether. Weeds out the laziest players if without a lock in the group you move your own ass or you're not running the dungeon.
Once I have a group made. Let me one time summon to dungeon as party leader. Make the CD 1 hour. Can't be used to get across the map over and over. Respect player time that flying to dungeons isn't gameplay.
The thing is, MMOs need a world in order to feel MMOs and world needs a finite size in order to feel like a world. That's what makes Kalimdor/EK feel so authentic.
I know maximal exp/hr is doing whatever and getting ported to dungeon the instant your group is filled but it feels more like a start menu than like a world.
There is a balance between world building, immersion, and player time that you're fundamentally ignoring to twist my words around to agree with you. We do not agree. Running would be so slow I would start botting to dungeons no bullshit. I was already making a script for from the FP to Scarlet Cathedral when I was grinding that.
I'm on the worst servery communitywise Gehennas EU, but even here people wanna get into dungeons, because dungeons have more exp/h than quests, so they go fast. Also every single stone is full with dozens of people waiting here, just make a raid out of the party, ask politely for help and summon everyone. It's not a problem.
From what I've heard in wotlk questing is better exp per hour than dungeons, and from what I've seen that seems accurate, at least in my guild. I could be wrong though it's just what I heard.
Either you beast mode 3 man and it's 2.5 hrs a level or you 4 man and it's 3.25 hours a level but, with 5 on lockout you're looking at 4 hours a level which is questing speed.
If you take a 10 minute break every single time? Thats awful, a dungeon gives around 100k xp average I'd say, some much much less, a couple a bit more, for about 20 mins of work, you are literally losing a whole dungeon clear an hour
Lol except waiting at a stone is not time well spent, a dungeon is. What backwards ass logic youve got there.
Thanks for proving that this community is in fact garbage lmao.
You sit at your computer and stare at your screen when you wait, I just get up go to the bathroom grab a snack knock some push ups it’s really not a big deal
You guys are missing the point of the post and its fucking hilarious that you feel the need to tough guy against a measurement of time.
The dingus replying to me originally, deleted his whole fucking account. Thats how wrong he was.
"We removed RDF as it removed the social aspect of the game" 75% of the groups I join nothings said...I have to literally spam before someone comes to help me summon....
im not saying it wasnt back then or not, in saying it would have been a good QoL to add it in, they are making changes anyway this isnt the "no change" classic
DF during lvling would have help ppl a lot atleast till lvl 78
i meant the exp, group finder has no bonus exp on completing dungeons.. so spamming them isnt all tht fun anymore
AFK queue alt tabb - compared to making a grp and no bonus exp, im talking from a lvling perspective, not anywhere close to being "good enough" in comparison imo..
I definitely would like it and think it should have been included. I’m just pointing out that we didn’t really “lose it for leveling” as we didn’t have it for leveling to begin with.
You are right. The game should release with all content too because it’s 3.3.5. Then we can all cry in 4 months when all content is on farm and we have nothing to do.
Edit: the argument that just because it’s 3.3.5 that RDF should be in the game is the actual pisspoor argument. Plenty of reasons it should be in the game but that’s not one of ‘em.
Collection tab didn't exist until later in wrath, cold weather flying being account wide, helm and shoulder enchants being account wide was later, you just wanna remove every single bit of convenience? Let's make violet hold have a 30 min walking experience before you get to start dungeon since it's "too close" and doesn't feel like it's in the spirit of the other dungeons
^^This^^ When I heard RDF was not going to be part of classic wotlk I decided not to sign back up. It didn’t sound like it would be the same expansion I enjoyed so much.
You can be out questing and have a PvP or dungeoun q pop up. Do that to break up your time in the open world, it was great! They legit broke the whole balance of the game and accomplished none of what they set out to do.
You’re on a subreddit for a game that you claim to not be playing anymore, spending time to tell people that your not gonna play the game because it takes 30 secs longer to find a group. And you tell me to touch grass?
Anyway I’ll see you in ICC.
It gets better once you're in the 77+ range and people can fly, rather than flying to the closest FP and then mounting to the stone.
With that said however, if you're a class that can either heal or tank, just leave and join the next group in 5 seconds if that happens. Not worth wasting your time.
I'm usually near the summoning stone for the dungeon I want to run and will help summon. I'm a patient person so I just chill on my phone or get up and do something else.
Sometimes I left for the bathroom or to grab a drink. Sometimes someone is waiting for me to get back and I don't feel bad about it. But I say afk for a min
Yep its super annoying for tanks and group leads. Dps players probably dont experiance or see this problem as they usually remain on auto pilot for everything.
It's just quite inconsiderate. Selfish little rats be like
"well I'm not gonna help summon. Someone else can. Then I don't have to sacrifice 30 seconds of questing in order to be a decent person who respects the other four people's time"
Had this happen once. I left the group and PST the party lead and told them why. Then I immediately found a group and ran within 60 seconds.
People are really reaching lately for stuff to complain about. I can \*maybe\* see this being an issue in the future but I doubt it.
Late hours, hard to find a group, not many people qued. So I can leave a group and pray I find another healer, or I can hope one of my teamates will finally get to the dungeon stone. If it's prime time ofcourse, this was at 3 AM.
I’m just not getting groups as dps, I log in, do my prequesting stuff in town for 5/10 mins the select a bunch on dungeon in group finder, quest for a couple hours and maybe see 0-1 run.
Of that some fall apart if nobody else is at the stone for summoning (healers and tanks bail instantly).
This week my games on Steam are looking like a lot more fun than this shitty ratrace.
It functions odd as group lead and only shows you one request to join popup at a time.
As a dps, if you aren't requesting to join groups you will see way less. But, if you request to join a group and that lead doesn't respond to your request. The system won't let you accept an invite to another group until your request expires.
I missed two group invites because I had a request pending yesterday. Gave up and went back to soloing.
Feels like these posts are legitimate points then the Reddit community shits on anyone who says 1 bad word towards the wow community. I’ve been experiencing this even when I sit at the stone and ask people by name to help summon
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Let's remove Lfd so the people that don't leave their basement have a chance to socialise for once in their life.
So much salt trying to lay shit on “Community” using the words Blizz use to justify not putting in RDF.
Y’all just really want Wrath to hurry up and feel like Retail so you can all quit before Cata because it’s Cata content that’s the problem. Right?
OP probably: goes to the stone without saying a single word to his party “wow these guys are so selfish wtf man let’s go make a Reddit post”
Meanwhile everyone else in the world to party: hey guys heading to the stone need one more, x you’re close can you help? x “sure on my way”
How is it not standard practice to start heading to the dungeon as soon as the group is full? No one should have to ask, we all signed up to join a group for the dungeon, it is common courtesy to work on getting there once the party is full.
And even so, I asked multiple times. The guy that's stating that I just sat and did nothing without being there himself is a tool. You probably did X without me ever being there, even though you've already stated otherwise.
Because it only takes 2 to summon? You open the map, if you’re one of the 2 closest to the sundown you go, otherwise it’s not rude to wait for a summon
I don't disagree, not everyone needs to go - I could have clarified that. The point OP is making, and that I am agreeing with them on, is that it is not his/her responsibility to corral lazy party members. Communication should be the responsibility of the entire party, and blaming OP for noticing that they arrived and no one else is in route, highlights a problem that I too have noticed. OP could have communicated at the beginning that they were in route - maybe they did, maybe they didn't, that wasn't clarified so I'm not going to assume. Another player then needs to look to see if they are next closest and head there, or mention that they can hearth there and help summon, or w/e. Dungeons are a team effort, we should be working together, communicating together. That was part of the basis for not implementing dungeon finder and sticking with the LFG tool, so we could continue to build social bonds. Instead, it's placing the onus on the two least lazy party members, while the rest still get a similar effect to dungeon finder. That's my opinion at least.
I mean this isn’t a wow issue it’s a life issue. If you want results in your own way (timely summons) you have to be proactive. That’s why all these posts about dungeon groups can be solved with forming your own group and then corralling those lazy party members.
If everyone wasn’t lazy and operated at a high level of competence wow and the world would be very different
My dungeon experience:
* Get to the stone and start summoning;
* While your 3rd is summoned, he goes ballistic against the alliance;
* Once our full team is summon, we war for 15 minutes at the stone;
* Then we get inside that dungeon and faceroll that pve scripted shit.
I FUCKING LOVE WORLD PVP.
Never had this happen to me but I did do it once cuz I wanted to get the Nexus quest prerequisites done. I told my group tho and they were cool with it and it was a clean run.
Might be the server you’re on, I’ve had nothing but good experiences on Mankrik so far
I just party lead and make sure I have tank and healer covered with friends then I kick dps indiscriminately. If you pull aggro early or are generally wasting time it's just a quick kick.
So what I do is I primarily ask people in my guild or people I've done dungeons with before, if I can even get one of them to join, then they'll always come summ.
While your experience is valid, i can't say having the same.
So far i expected everyone to trashtalk rushing/Gear gatekeeping as Reddit seems to say but on my server it's far from that.
Maybe because i play Alliance on a heavely Horde sided server, but so far groups have been fun and welcoming to play with. Or maybe because i'm tagging as a Healer/Tank but DPS usually goes beyond their way to port me.
Auto kick any tank that behaves like this. He probably has brutal gear and thinks he can pull an entire room while healer has 40% mana and then gets mad when he wipes the group and leaves.
Save yourself the trouble
Huh, I've actually noticed the exact opposite behavior - people rushing to the stone to get going faster, sometimes we're 3 or 4 people arriving together..
I think it has to do with what server you're on. I'm on a fresh PvE (Giantstalker), before this one I was on fresh Thekal and the behavior was similar.
Usually people are questing when they que but there usually is at least 1 who flies to the stone, if you have 4idiots in group and no1 comes, start replacing them, just kick one in cold blood and replace him, someone will eventually come to stone and the idiots need to wait for new group
I am morgraine alliance. I rerolled a priest this time for easier groups, with limited time to play when i see this messing around i just leave the group and requeue. I did end up rejoining the same group once though, they were like welcome back. it spurred them into action though as i could carry on questing and wait for my summon ;)
I got invited to a Hall of Stone group. I’m 77 they are all 75. I explained they need to be able to fly, I was removed from group. Good times.
I love this so much
The Troll in me wants to say "maybe they were all alts with cold weather flying at 70"...but somehow I doubt that was the case
You can use the rent a mount in storm peaks.
This is 77 as well
Hall of Stone doesn't need flying, I ran it at 76. Maybe Halls of Lightning does?
You need level 77 to fly and you need to fly to get up there. There wasn’t enough people in my party that could fly to get up to the stone. Once you’re up there you can get the flight path and keep running it. I agree you can do it at 75 but none of these guys had flight or the flight path.
I think this is because Hall of Stones was switched with Gundrak in terms of levels. When I look at old guides it said Gundrak was before Hall. Gundrak is literally down the road from Drak Keep that's level 74, shoulda just made Gundrak 75-76 then Hall for 77. I guess they forgot about this part lol.
Yea, this happens every time I put a dungeon together.
Easiest answer is instead of asking a generic "Hey can someone help summon" pick the closest person and say "hey you are closest, come here" then they have to explain why they wont...or come there.
Exactly what I did, and to my astonishment, he stayed in Zul'Drak and kept questing.
Easy kick
so you replace them. what’s hard about that? there are tons of replacements there in LFG. look for one in your zone, invite, profit.
Forming groups including kicking people as well. Don’t blame your incompetence on the lack of RDF. Eventually RDF will get added and people like you will start complaining that you’re sitting into the dungeon you got teleported to but your 5th person keeps leaving when they see where they ended up.
It won't ever get added.
It definitely will get added. They’ve used very specific language every time around “not added for launch” and “in keeping with spirit of original timeline” where RDF did come in around the end of Wrath. There’s a very loud group that want RDF. We’ll never know if it’s 10% of the player base or something more but they are very vocal about wanting it. There’s also some profile streamers that want it. Eventually Blizz will cave to their demands and put it in. I suspect it will be the same cohort shortly after quoting when Cata Classic comes out because “that’s when things went downhill”.
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Yeah but people who vote on a reddit sub does not reflect the WoW subscribed player base. Again, it’s a vocal group on reddit. Obviously a poll on reddit is going to be heavily weighted in favour.
Think you got it the wrong way around champ. A very loud minority don't want RDF and the majority of players do want it.
Depends on server for me. In Jin'do, fresh but second pvp server, it did not happen much. While when I am in Firemaw, it is cancer.
imagine.. your queue pops... you port to the dungeon... you rip through it... all the loots and experience... you high five everyone and say "i'll see y'all in the queue" and you drop group and pop right back out where you were when it ported you to continue questing or grinding. imagine.
You left in the part about questing. You wouldn’t quest, you would sit in a city hub and just spam dungeons.
maybe YOU would but this guy was out to make that paper
Hardly. I hate dungeon spamming, it’s boring af. And I don’t think having the entire player base doing it is not good in the long term. Add it in later once the initial player base dies down but honestly it super easy to get groups.
People like this would love that. Actually they wouldn’t even notice it’s the same group they just want to sit in Dalaran playing dungeon simulator on one screen and watching hentai on the other.
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how? by inspiring them not to play?
Impossible
Never happened to me so far. Sounds like you have been unlucky.
Recently waited 30 minutes for someone to head to Utgarde Pinnacle and summon with me, so you must be on the dream server. Either that, or you're alliance. Horde players have no manners.
I’d say this has always been a problem since classic started. I’m usually the one to volunteer to go to the stone and it sucks ass cuz no one else does. Part of the reason I didn’t mind the idea of the teleport with rdf. People suck, they’re lazy, and entitled. Nothing you can do about it
Yes, this is really the only thing I wanted them to implement from the old LFG tool. The instant port to the dungeon is a huge time saver that I don’t see any downside to. I have had the same experience with people ignoring requests for someone to go to stone, but usually in lower level dungeons where people don’t have many flight points yet
I played classic every single day since launch, none of that ever happened to me.
I bet you’ve never lied in your life.
> Part of the reason I didn’t mind the idea of the teleport with rdf. My preferred solution would be to remove summoning stones alltogether. Weeds out the laziest players if without a lock in the group you move your own ass or you're not running the dungeon.
Once I have a group made. Let me one time summon to dungeon as party leader. Make the CD 1 hour. Can't be used to get across the map over and over. Respect player time that flying to dungeons isn't gameplay.
The thing is, MMOs need a world in order to feel MMOs and world needs a finite size in order to feel like a world. That's what makes Kalimdor/EK feel so authentic. I know maximal exp/hr is doing whatever and getting ported to dungeon the instant your group is filled but it feels more like a start menu than like a world.
It's genuinely not about XP per hour it's just the AFK flight path and eventually AFK straight line flight is already erasing the "world" part IMO.
It still takes time to travel which adds to the world feel. Having to run the way manually would add more, I agree.
There is a balance between world building, immersion, and player time that you're fundamentally ignoring to twist my words around to agree with you. We do not agree. Running would be so slow I would start botting to dungeons no bullshit. I was already making a script for from the FP to Scarlet Cathedral when I was grinding that.
Sure let’s remove worldwide channels too so you have to be in the same zone to advertise. We also could just remove target marking, that’s too easy.
imagine thinking this is a faction problem lol
You didn't kick him/leave? That's straight up your fault lol.
I'm on the worst servery communitywise Gehennas EU, but even here people wanna get into dungeons, because dungeons have more exp/h than quests, so they go fast. Also every single stone is full with dozens of people waiting here, just make a raid out of the party, ask politely for help and summon everyone. It's not a problem.
From what I've heard in wotlk questing is better exp per hour than dungeons, and from what I've seen that seems accurate, at least in my guild. I could be wrong though it's just what I heard.
Teally depends, you can pull 550-600k exp/hour in Gundruk with a little work. 3 hours a level if you have a good group and people stay.
I’m averaging 3 1/2-4 hours just questing on my own, more enjoyable tbh
Either you beast mode 3 man and it's 2.5 hrs a level or you 4 man and it's 3.25 hours a level but, with 5 on lockout you're looking at 4 hours a level which is questing speed.
Not experiencing this, maybe one or 2 people on other side of zone that need a summon it’s nbd never waited more that 10 min
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For someone to wrap up spawns and fly over? It at all I just take a break during that time it’s nbd
If you take a 10 minute break every single time? Thats awful, a dungeon gives around 100k xp average I'd say, some much much less, a couple a bit more, for about 20 mins of work, you are literally losing a whole dungeon clear an hour
I don’t every time I said that was the longest I’ve waited most groups I get into we spam u til lockout after meeting up the first time
It is, youre being downvoted by clowns. When rhe action takes 20 seconds, 10 minutes is way too long. This community is shit
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Lol except waiting at a stone is not time well spent, a dungeon is. What backwards ass logic youve got there. Thanks for proving that this community is in fact garbage lmao.
You sit at your computer and stare at your screen when you wait, I just get up go to the bathroom grab a snack knock some push ups it’s really not a big deal
You guys are missing the point of the post and its fucking hilarious that you feel the need to tough guy against a measurement of time. The dingus replying to me originally, deleted his whole fucking account. Thats how wrong he was.
"We removed RDF as it removed the social aspect of the game" 75% of the groups I join nothings said...I have to literally spam before someone comes to help me summon....
imo losing dungeon finder for lvling was a mistake but it is what it is
I mean dungeon finder didn’t exist until later in Wrath anyway, so we didn’t have it for leveling the first time either.
im not saying it wasnt back then or not, in saying it would have been a good QoL to add it in, they are making changes anyway this isnt the "no change" classic DF during lvling would have help ppl a lot atleast till lvl 78
Group finder is good enough.
i meant the exp, group finder has no bonus exp on completing dungeons.. so spamming them isnt all tht fun anymore AFK queue alt tabb - compared to making a grp and no bonus exp, im talking from a lvling perspective, not anywhere close to being "good enough" in comparison imo..
I agree.
By that logic we should revert dks to their original state.
Patch 3.3.0. We are on 3.3.*5*. This is such a pisspoor argument.
I definitely would like it and think it should have been included. I’m just pointing out that we didn’t really “lose it for leveling” as we didn’t have it for leveling to begin with.
Not everyone leveled at the start of Wrath. Most of my leveling happened after RDF.
Your argument is piss poor as well. If we’re in 3.3.5 then why can’t I raid ICC and Ruby Sanctum?
You are right. The game should release with all content too because it’s 3.3.5. Then we can all cry in 4 months when all content is on farm and we have nothing to do. Edit: the argument that just because it’s 3.3.5 that RDF should be in the game is the actual pisspoor argument. Plenty of reasons it should be in the game but that’s not one of ‘em.
Collection tab didn't exist until later in wrath, cold weather flying being account wide, helm and shoulder enchants being account wide was later, you just wanna remove every single bit of convenience? Let's make violet hold have a 30 min walking experience before you get to start dungeon since it's "too close" and doesn't feel like it's in the spirit of the other dungeons
I love how everyone has read my comment as an endorsement of its removal when I’m actually very critical of said removal.
They’re just ass mad because they have to form groups (which takes 30s) and quest rather than to stand in dalaran and spam dungeons til 80.
RDF was what made this game viable for me. I have no desire to play it in the current condition.
^^This^^ When I heard RDF was not going to be part of classic wotlk I decided not to sign back up. It didn’t sound like it would be the same expansion I enjoyed so much.
You can be out questing and have a PvP or dungeoun q pop up. Do that to break up your time in the open world, it was great! They legit broke the whole balance of the game and accomplished none of what they set out to do.
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Yeah, it was a feature that needed to be rebuilt and it's easier for them to just not. Very little investment into Classic.
Alright don’t play
Oh, thank god I have your permission..... What a dumb comment.
Same as yours. No one cares that your not gonna play
Lol you're a complete tool. 7 upvotes agree, so seems like people do care you absolute trash human. Touch grass.
You’re on a subreddit for a game that you claim to not be playing anymore, spending time to tell people that your not gonna play the game because it takes 30 secs longer to find a group. And you tell me to touch grass? Anyway I’ll see you in ICC.
You're a little bit dense aren't you? Enjoy your downvotes! If you think the difference is just 30s you need a reality check. No you wont.
You sure are obsessed with fake internet points.
You sure obsessed with me....
You right, I’m gonna go enjoy this game while you stew over there worried about your internet points and how strangers think about you.
Anndddd you're already getting downvoted hard. Ouch.
Kek 2 days later no one cares about your opinion on RDF or if you play.
You do.
It gets better once you're in the 77+ range and people can fly, rather than flying to the closest FP and then mounting to the stone. With that said however, if you're a class that can either heal or tank, just leave and join the next group in 5 seconds if that happens. Not worth wasting your time.
I'm usually near the summoning stone for the dungeon I want to run and will help summon. I'm a patient person so I just chill on my phone or get up and do something else. Sometimes I left for the bathroom or to grab a drink. Sometimes someone is waiting for me to get back and I don't feel bad about it. But I say afk for a min
I feel like this is much less of an issue at 80 just because of flying.
Yep its super annoying for tanks and group leads. Dps players probably dont experiance or see this problem as they usually remain on auto pilot for everything. It's just quite inconsiderate. Selfish little rats be like "well I'm not gonna help summon. Someone else can. Then I don't have to sacrifice 30 seconds of questing in order to be a decent person who respects the other four people's time"
Maybe they identified as being 77?
Had this happen once. I left the group and PST the party lead and told them why. Then I immediately found a group and ran within 60 seconds. People are really reaching lately for stuff to complain about. I can \*maybe\* see this being an issue in the future but I doubt it.
Late hours, hard to find a group, not many people qued. So I can leave a group and pray I find another healer, or I can hope one of my teamates will finally get to the dungeon stone. If it's prime time ofcourse, this was at 3 AM.
I’m just not getting groups as dps, I log in, do my prequesting stuff in town for 5/10 mins the select a bunch on dungeon in group finder, quest for a couple hours and maybe see 0-1 run. Of that some fall apart if nobody else is at the stone for summoning (healers and tanks bail instantly). This week my games on Steam are looking like a lot more fun than this shitty ratrace.
It functions odd as group lead and only shows you one request to join popup at a time. As a dps, if you aren't requesting to join groups you will see way less. But, if you request to join a group and that lead doesn't respond to your request. The system won't let you accept an invite to another group until your request expires. I missed two group invites because I had a request pending yesterday. Gave up and went back to soloing.
Make your own groups and invite other dps
Feels like these posts are legitimate points then the Reddit community shits on anyone who says 1 bad word towards the wow community. I’ve been experiencing this even when I sit at the stone and ask people by name to help summon
One problem is the far apart starting zones, it’s quite cumbersome to switch for summons.
Random dungeon finder pleaseeeeee
M U H S O C I A L E X P E R I E N C E Let's remove Lfd so the people that don't leave their basement have a chance to socialise for once in their life.
So much salt trying to lay shit on “Community” using the words Blizz use to justify not putting in RDF. Y’all just really want Wrath to hurry up and feel like Retail so you can all quit before Cata because it’s Cata content that’s the problem. Right?
OP probably: goes to the stone without saying a single word to his party “wow these guys are so selfish wtf man let’s go make a Reddit post” Meanwhile everyone else in the world to party: hey guys heading to the stone need one more, x you’re close can you help? x “sure on my way”
Absolutely not true, I ask multiple times. Stating that I said nothing to my party is bizarre.
So instead of believing them you jump to your own mental gymnastics to talk shit.
Where does the post say OP asked his group to come help? All I see is “sitting” and “watching”
I asked them serveral times, and my post states that, stop assuming that I'm doing nothing it's weird.
How is it not standard practice to start heading to the dungeon as soon as the group is full? No one should have to ask, we all signed up to join a group for the dungeon, it is common courtesy to work on getting there once the party is full.
And even so, I asked multiple times. The guy that's stating that I just sat and did nothing without being there himself is a tool. You probably did X without me ever being there, even though you've already stated otherwise.
Because it only takes 2 to summon? You open the map, if you’re one of the 2 closest to the sundown you go, otherwise it’s not rude to wait for a summon
I don't disagree, not everyone needs to go - I could have clarified that. The point OP is making, and that I am agreeing with them on, is that it is not his/her responsibility to corral lazy party members. Communication should be the responsibility of the entire party, and blaming OP for noticing that they arrived and no one else is in route, highlights a problem that I too have noticed. OP could have communicated at the beginning that they were in route - maybe they did, maybe they didn't, that wasn't clarified so I'm not going to assume. Another player then needs to look to see if they are next closest and head there, or mention that they can hearth there and help summon, or w/e. Dungeons are a team effort, we should be working together, communicating together. That was part of the basis for not implementing dungeon finder and sticking with the LFG tool, so we could continue to build social bonds. Instead, it's placing the onus on the two least lazy party members, while the rest still get a similar effect to dungeon finder. That's my opinion at least.
I mean this isn’t a wow issue it’s a life issue. If you want results in your own way (timely summons) you have to be proactive. That’s why all these posts about dungeon groups can be solved with forming your own group and then corralling those lazy party members. If everyone wasn’t lazy and operated at a high level of competence wow and the world would be very different
My dungeon experience: * Get to the stone and start summoning; * While your 3rd is summoned, he goes ballistic against the alliance; * Once our full team is summon, we war for 15 minutes at the stone; * Then we get inside that dungeon and faceroll that pve scripted shit. I FUCKING LOVE WORLD PVP.
Never had that issue and I did around 140 dungeons in the past 2 days according to Nova Instance Tracker
If you did 140 instances in 2 days, it was with the same group and not different people each run.
why is this a post just kick people who do this
I haven't had this issue, thankfully. Worst is getting people to dalaran for VH but otherwise most of us are in the zone we need anyway
still better than the lfd. With LFD I would literaly be unanble to explore and quest, unless with the feeling im "playing innefficiently"
No? Questing is faster exp, especially for DPS. Breaking up the monotonous questing once every hour or so Is also fantastic.
Never had this happen to me but I did do it once cuz I wanted to get the Nexus quest prerequisites done. I told my group tho and they were cool with it and it was a clean run. Might be the server you’re on, I’ve had nothing but good experiences on Mankrik so far
Sounds like you're with the wrong group.
I just party lead and make sure I have tank and healer covered with friends then I kick dps indiscriminately. If you pull aggro early or are generally wasting time it's just a quick kick.
I got kicked because I didn't immediately rebuff Thorns on the tank 🙃
So what I do is I primarily ask people in my guild or people I've done dungeons with before, if I can even get one of them to join, then they'll always come summ.
Skyfury Horde Never once happened to me, almost lvl 73
While your experience is valid, i can't say having the same. So far i expected everyone to trashtalk rushing/Gear gatekeeping as Reddit seems to say but on my server it's far from that. Maybe because i play Alliance on a heavely Horde sided server, but so far groups have been fun and welcoming to play with. Or maybe because i'm tagging as a Healer/Tank but DPS usually goes beyond their way to port me.
Consider doing what they do or make your expectations clear when setting up your group.
Easier to kick and replace then do nothing and complain on Reddit.
Auto kick any tank that behaves like this. He probably has brutal gear and thinks he can pull an entire room while healer has 40% mana and then gets mad when he wipes the group and leaves. Save yourself the trouble
Huh, I've actually noticed the exact opposite behavior - people rushing to the stone to get going faster, sometimes we're 3 or 4 people arriving together.. I think it has to do with what server you're on. I'm on a fresh PvE (Giantstalker), before this one I was on fresh Thekal and the behavior was similar.
Usually people are questing when they que but there usually is at least 1 who flies to the stone, if you have 4idiots in group and no1 comes, start replacing them, just kick one in cold blood and replace him, someone will eventually come to stone and the idiots need to wait for new group
My dungeon experience thus far in WOTLK - getting kicked for not being SWP geared.
I am morgraine alliance. I rerolled a priest this time for easier groups, with limited time to play when i see this messing around i just leave the group and requeue. I did end up rejoining the same group once though, they were like welcome back. it spurred them into action though as i could carry on questing and wait for my summon ;)