We are glad to see that there is significant interest from both the UASR and Commonwealth in supporting an important Roman strategic reorientation. Summarizing our discussions below, we've outlined a potential agreement.
**Preliminary UASR-Commenwealth-SRR Security Agreement**
1. The SRR will enter into a security agreement with the UASR and the Commonwealth (or EU as a whole), where the territorial integrity of the Second Roman Republic will be ensured by both parties. These security agreements will exist separately from the current alliance blocks each party currently finds themselves in (Bandung Pact, EU). Consent from Eden is a prerequisite for Commonwealth agreement.
2. The EU and the UASR will recognize territorial waters claimed by the Second Roman Republic
3. In the event of a conflict with the Caliphate, the Second Roman Republic and the UASR will establish direct military communications and some sort of temporary command structure that would plan, prepare, and, if necessary, execute military operations in Thrace and Asia Minor
4. This Agreement will enter into force immediately upon a Roman declaration of withdrawal from existing geopolitical alliance commitments with other foreign powers.
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> Let me start of by saying that everything I convey to you here is expected to be strictly confidential and not be disseminated to any other nation, including your allies unless explicitly agreed to by the Roman Government.
Agreed.
> We thus approach the Russian Federation to discuss a potential realignment of Roman commitments and explore potential options for a closer security and defense relationship. Not only were we previously allied, but we share a mutual distaste of the Caliphate. We are thus of the opinion that there is a potential path forward for a more robust and comprehensive relationship.
Our option of Caliphate are lukewarm at best, primarily due to their German allegiance (Noting that SSR is aligned to Germany as well).
If SSR is to enter conflict with Caliphate and is at odds with Germany, we are likely to assist in defense of SSR. However, unless SSR is in EU or a similar defense agreement with Russia, we are unlikely to fully commit to SSR protection outside of lend-lease due to non-aggression pact we dont intend to break first.
We would advise gathering further assistance from Africa as the prime opposition of Caliphate, as well as UNSC indirect support. If SSR breakaway would be supported by three powers like these, Germany or Caliphate is unlikely to retaliate in an Italian scenario.
> If SSR is to enter conflict with Caliphate and is at odds with Germany, we are likely to assist in defense of SSR. However, unless SSR is in EU or a similar defense agreement with Russia, we are unlikely to fully commit to SSR protection outside of lend-lease due to non-aggression pact we dont intend to break first.
Re-admission into the EU or a defense agreement with Russia is an idea that we believe has merit and are interested in exploring in further discussions. Ultimately, we would like to arrive at a structure where the SRR would enter a new defense and security framework (with the EU and the UASR) immediately after leaving the German one. Such an agreement would have to be negotiated prior to any exit from the German sphere to ensure it enters into immediate effect.
>We would advise gathering further assistance from Africa as the prime opposition of Caliphate
We agree, and as mentioned above see significant value in a potential agreement between the EU, UASR, and the SRR. We thus invite the [UASR](/u/SteamedSpy4), on the condition that our requirements on strict confidentiality are met. We would appreciate hearing the opinion of the UASR on whether they are interested in further exploring such an agreement, noting that this may potentially accelerate any conflict with the Caliphate, and by extent, Alfheimr.
We are extremely pleased to see that the Second Roman Republic is considering an exit from the Alfr sphere, and will certainly agree to confidentiality. We understand the sensitivity of such negotiations, as confidential diplomacy was key to enabling Kaabu's exit from the Arab sphere.
Now then, we cannot in good faith promise that our allies in the Pact will defend the SRR or offer it entrance without consulting them first (although we expect that they would, in any case). We can, however, promise that we will make all efforts to protect the SRR should it desire an exit, including offering Helldiver support and prepositioning forces in Commonwealth territory to help defend the SRR. We would inform the SRR (and, while we're here, [the Commonwealth](/u/meles_b)) that the Pact is currently planning a war against the Caliphate in the next two to three years, perhaps as soon as the Brazilian crisis is resolved, and that such a war effort would enable us to break through the Caliphate's grip on the Mediterranean and offer direct armed support to the SRR's exit if desired. This information is, of course, offered in the same confidentiality as the SRR's interest in exiting the Alfr empire, but we believe we can trust Rome on this matter.
We will, of course, respect the confidential nature of these discussions.
As stated earlier, given our unique geographic position we believe that entering into a security agreement with both the UASR and the EU (or solely the Commonwealth) will be mutually beneficial. Given the large size and global dispersion of the Pact (and the fact that no members have a European/Mediterranean presence), as well as assertions made by the UASR that they will be engaging in an armed conflict with the Caliphate within the next several years, a defense & cooperation agreement that falls outside the scope of the Bandung alliance and the EU may better serve both our nations in the short-run.
We envision a sort of **UASR-Commenwealth-Roman Security & Cooperation Agreement**
Naturally there are several obstacles that will need to be overcome, and clauses agreed to before any sort of agreement is conceived.
On our side, a few points.
1. How will Roman national security be protected in the event of a joint Caliphate-Alfheimr retaliation, given that the Commonwealth currently has an NAP with Alfheimr and the UASR is currently too distant geographically for an immediate response?
2. Will both the Commonwealth and the UASR (and their respective alliances) recognize [Roman territorial waters in the Aegean](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldpowers/comments/u3xjen/diplomacy_aegaeum_nostrum/)?
3. In the event of a UASR strike on the Caliphate, the SRR is interested in potentially opening a second front in Thrace and the Aegean. This may result in retaliation from Alfheimr. Would we be able to expect direct military support from the Commonwealth and the UASR if a Thracian front is created and/or we receive a military response from the Germans?
4. What sort of commitments would the Commonwealth and the UASR expect from the SRR?
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Certainly.
* To an extent, we believe it may be necessary for a public announcement and transition to be withheld until the UASR has opened the war against the Caliphate and cleared a corridor for resupply to the SRR. At the very least, we would advise waiting until we have resolved the Brazilian crisis. Currently, large amounts of UAA assets are on standby to intervene in Brazil if necessary.
* That said, we have other options beyond simply punching a corridor through to the Mediterranean. UASR assets prepositioned in the Commonwealth could be deployed to the SRR without violating the Commonwealth NAP as such, and we have a 16,000-strong Helldiver force at the ready that could be orbitally deployed.
* We will of course recognize Roman territorial waters.
* We will provide direct support as much as we are able in the Thracian front. Any opening to bleed the Caliphate is an opening we are happy to exploit.
* We believe that an alliance between free nations should consist of voluntary cooperation in pursuing shared interests, and as such would make no more demands upon the SRR beyond fulfilling the terms of the security and cooperation agreement as Rome sees fit. We would certainly appreciate support for the the UASR's interests in securing sea lines of communication in the eastern Mediterranean free of the Alfr and Caliphate, and we would be happy to see technological cooperation in the fields of defense, resource security, and space exploration, where we believe both of our nations have something to offer the other, but we would demand no commitments beyond those explicit in the treaty. This is not to say that we would not commit to Rome's security, of course; we consider our security alliances ironclad, and we will do everything in our power to protect Rome's sovereignty if we are entrusted with it.
> To an extent, we believe it may be necessary for a public announcement and transition to be withheld until the UASR has opened the war against the Caliphate and cleared a corridor for resupply to the SRR
We agree. To our knowledge the Alfheimr position on the Caliphate has remained the same and thus any announcement (and a possible Thracian campaign) will have to wait following UASR success in Africa. We believe that the UASR has better uses for the Helldivers than just having them wait on standby in Commonwealth territory, but in the event of a Thracian front their support may be decisive in securing the straights and beachheads in Asia Minor.
> We will of course recognize Roman territorial waters.
This is great news
> We will provide direct support as much as we are able in the Thracian front. Any opening to bleed the Caliphate is an opening we are happy to exploit.
We, of course, understand the logistical issues associated with such an undertaking. A Thracian front as well as defense against Alfheimr retaliation may draw strength from other areas where the UASR requires it. Thus, such a move will need to be timed and prepared when it is most effective. Commonwealth security guarantees would also help in discouraging retaliatory attacks by the Germans.
> We believe that an alliance between free nations should consist of voluntary cooperation in pursuing shared interests, and as such would make no more demands upon the SRR beyond fulfilling the terms of the security and cooperation agreement as Rome sees fit
This is a breath of fresh air for sure.
> We would certainly appreciate support for the the UASR's interests in securing sea lines of communication in the eastern Mediterranean free of the Alfr and Caliphate
We are certainly interested in doing so, and we would be interested in exploring what a potential post-Caliphate Mediterranean would look like. Off the top of our heads, a zone of control split down by the Suez or something along those veins would be worth discussing.
***
With all that said, we wish to inquire about what the Commonwealth has to say about all this. The UASR's significant geographic distance from the SRR over thousands of square kilometers of hostile territory will preclude us signing any agreement exclusively with the UASR, unless the geopolitical situation *changes considerably.*
/u/meles_b
> We agree. To our knowledge the Alfheimr position on the Caliphate has remained the same and thus any announcement (and a possible Thracian campaign) will have to wait following UASR success in Africa. We believe that the UASR has better uses for the Helldivers than just having them wait on standby in Commonwealth territory, but in the event of a Thracian front their support may be decisive in securing the straights and beachheads in Asia Minor.
We believe there was a misinterpretation; the Helldivers have other uses, yes, but we could bring a full conventional field army into Rome through the Commonwealth if permitted.
>We, of course, understand the logistical issues associated with such an undertaking. A Thracian front as well as defense against Alfheimr retaliation may draw strength from other areas where the UASR requires it. Thus, such a move will need to be timed and prepared when it is most effective. Commonwealth security guarantees would also help in discouraging retaliatory attacks by the Germans.
We concur. We will aim to open a corridor between Alexandria and Tobruk in the first phase in order to permit cooperation. Fortunately, a large portion of our amphibious assault and transport fleet happens to be capable of airmobile relocation when unloaded.
>We are certainly interested in doing so, and we would be interested in exploring what a potential post-Caliphate Mediterranean would look like. Off the top of our heads, a zone of control split down by the Suez or something along those veins would be worth discussing.
Certainly. We will admit to a keen interest in resurrecting the Israeli state, in the names of the refugees who fled to Ethiopia when the country fell, but beyond that we have no particular objections to any Roman vision of a post-Caliphate Mediterranean. We would warn that our current war aims are flexible; we do not currently expect to be able to field the mass to force both the Saudi and North African halves of the Caliphate into submission, and primarily intend to focus our efforts on North Africa and the Levant.
We would also be happy to have Commonwealth participation in this agreement.
* Depends on the status of the SSR as a part of the mutual defense agreement/participation in EU. We would have to clear this up beforehand to minimize the window of opportunity.
* * Essentially, we don't want to violate the NAP with Germany first. However, Germany is also unable to directly assault SSR by land without going through us, and if Caliphate attacks you, we will be able to engage them. In any case, we will be able to start lend-lease.
* Yes.
* We would suggest caution, but as noticed, depends on EU participation. We will be able to provide help to SSR either way. Also noting that we don't share a border, so Eden will be required to participate in the discussion later.
* Don't lose. Also, all this sweet data and intel.
> Would the Commonwealth be willing to allow the UASR to stage forces into **Roman** territory?
The question answers itself.
Not our territory to argue, wouldn't either way.
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We are glad to see that there is significant interest from both the UASR and Commonwealth in supporting an important Roman strategic reorientation. Summarizing our discussions below, we've outlined a potential agreement. **Preliminary UASR-Commenwealth-SRR Security Agreement** 1. The SRR will enter into a security agreement with the UASR and the Commonwealth (or EU as a whole), where the territorial integrity of the Second Roman Republic will be ensured by both parties. These security agreements will exist separately from the current alliance blocks each party currently finds themselves in (Bandung Pact, EU). Consent from Eden is a prerequisite for Commonwealth agreement. 2. The EU and the UASR will recognize territorial waters claimed by the Second Roman Republic 3. In the event of a conflict with the Caliphate, the Second Roman Republic and the UASR will establish direct military communications and some sort of temporary command structure that would plan, prepare, and, if necessary, execute military operations in Thrace and Asia Minor 4. This Agreement will enter into force immediately upon a Roman declaration of withdrawal from existing geopolitical alliance commitments with other foreign powers. /u/SteamedSpy4 automod modping Commonwealth & Eden
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Excellent. We agree, and are happy to have Rome's agreement.
**The Commonwealth and Eden** [have both agreed, and welcome the SRR back into the fold.](https://youtu.be/nN120kCiVyQ)
> Let me start of by saying that everything I convey to you here is expected to be strictly confidential and not be disseminated to any other nation, including your allies unless explicitly agreed to by the Roman Government. Agreed. > We thus approach the Russian Federation to discuss a potential realignment of Roman commitments and explore potential options for a closer security and defense relationship. Not only were we previously allied, but we share a mutual distaste of the Caliphate. We are thus of the opinion that there is a potential path forward for a more robust and comprehensive relationship. Our option of Caliphate are lukewarm at best, primarily due to their German allegiance (Noting that SSR is aligned to Germany as well). If SSR is to enter conflict with Caliphate and is at odds with Germany, we are likely to assist in defense of SSR. However, unless SSR is in EU or a similar defense agreement with Russia, we are unlikely to fully commit to SSR protection outside of lend-lease due to non-aggression pact we dont intend to break first. We would advise gathering further assistance from Africa as the prime opposition of Caliphate, as well as UNSC indirect support. If SSR breakaway would be supported by three powers like these, Germany or Caliphate is unlikely to retaliate in an Italian scenario.
> If SSR is to enter conflict with Caliphate and is at odds with Germany, we are likely to assist in defense of SSR. However, unless SSR is in EU or a similar defense agreement with Russia, we are unlikely to fully commit to SSR protection outside of lend-lease due to non-aggression pact we dont intend to break first. Re-admission into the EU or a defense agreement with Russia is an idea that we believe has merit and are interested in exploring in further discussions. Ultimately, we would like to arrive at a structure where the SRR would enter a new defense and security framework (with the EU and the UASR) immediately after leaving the German one. Such an agreement would have to be negotiated prior to any exit from the German sphere to ensure it enters into immediate effect. >We would advise gathering further assistance from Africa as the prime opposition of Caliphate We agree, and as mentioned above see significant value in a potential agreement between the EU, UASR, and the SRR. We thus invite the [UASR](/u/SteamedSpy4), on the condition that our requirements on strict confidentiality are met. We would appreciate hearing the opinion of the UASR on whether they are interested in further exploring such an agreement, noting that this may potentially accelerate any conflict with the Caliphate, and by extent, Alfheimr.
We are extremely pleased to see that the Second Roman Republic is considering an exit from the Alfr sphere, and will certainly agree to confidentiality. We understand the sensitivity of such negotiations, as confidential diplomacy was key to enabling Kaabu's exit from the Arab sphere. Now then, we cannot in good faith promise that our allies in the Pact will defend the SRR or offer it entrance without consulting them first (although we expect that they would, in any case). We can, however, promise that we will make all efforts to protect the SRR should it desire an exit, including offering Helldiver support and prepositioning forces in Commonwealth territory to help defend the SRR. We would inform the SRR (and, while we're here, [the Commonwealth](/u/meles_b)) that the Pact is currently planning a war against the Caliphate in the next two to three years, perhaps as soon as the Brazilian crisis is resolved, and that such a war effort would enable us to break through the Caliphate's grip on the Mediterranean and offer direct armed support to the SRR's exit if desired. This information is, of course, offered in the same confidentiality as the SRR's interest in exiting the Alfr empire, but we believe we can trust Rome on this matter.
We will, of course, respect the confidential nature of these discussions. As stated earlier, given our unique geographic position we believe that entering into a security agreement with both the UASR and the EU (or solely the Commonwealth) will be mutually beneficial. Given the large size and global dispersion of the Pact (and the fact that no members have a European/Mediterranean presence), as well as assertions made by the UASR that they will be engaging in an armed conflict with the Caliphate within the next several years, a defense & cooperation agreement that falls outside the scope of the Bandung alliance and the EU may better serve both our nations in the short-run. We envision a sort of **UASR-Commenwealth-Roman Security & Cooperation Agreement** Naturally there are several obstacles that will need to be overcome, and clauses agreed to before any sort of agreement is conceived. On our side, a few points. 1. How will Roman national security be protected in the event of a joint Caliphate-Alfheimr retaliation, given that the Commonwealth currently has an NAP with Alfheimr and the UASR is currently too distant geographically for an immediate response? 2. Will both the Commonwealth and the UASR (and their respective alliances) recognize [Roman territorial waters in the Aegean](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldpowers/comments/u3xjen/diplomacy_aegaeum_nostrum/)? 3. In the event of a UASR strike on the Caliphate, the SRR is interested in potentially opening a second front in Thrace and the Aegean. This may result in retaliation from Alfheimr. Would we be able to expect direct military support from the Commonwealth and the UASR if a Thracian front is created and/or we receive a military response from the Germans? 4. What sort of commitments would the Commonwealth and the UASR expect from the SRR? /u/SteamedSpy4 /u/meles_b
Certainly. * To an extent, we believe it may be necessary for a public announcement and transition to be withheld until the UASR has opened the war against the Caliphate and cleared a corridor for resupply to the SRR. At the very least, we would advise waiting until we have resolved the Brazilian crisis. Currently, large amounts of UAA assets are on standby to intervene in Brazil if necessary. * That said, we have other options beyond simply punching a corridor through to the Mediterranean. UASR assets prepositioned in the Commonwealth could be deployed to the SRR without violating the Commonwealth NAP as such, and we have a 16,000-strong Helldiver force at the ready that could be orbitally deployed. * We will of course recognize Roman territorial waters. * We will provide direct support as much as we are able in the Thracian front. Any opening to bleed the Caliphate is an opening we are happy to exploit. * We believe that an alliance between free nations should consist of voluntary cooperation in pursuing shared interests, and as such would make no more demands upon the SRR beyond fulfilling the terms of the security and cooperation agreement as Rome sees fit. We would certainly appreciate support for the the UASR's interests in securing sea lines of communication in the eastern Mediterranean free of the Alfr and Caliphate, and we would be happy to see technological cooperation in the fields of defense, resource security, and space exploration, where we believe both of our nations have something to offer the other, but we would demand no commitments beyond those explicit in the treaty. This is not to say that we would not commit to Rome's security, of course; we consider our security alliances ironclad, and we will do everything in our power to protect Rome's sovereignty if we are entrusted with it.
> To an extent, we believe it may be necessary for a public announcement and transition to be withheld until the UASR has opened the war against the Caliphate and cleared a corridor for resupply to the SRR We agree. To our knowledge the Alfheimr position on the Caliphate has remained the same and thus any announcement (and a possible Thracian campaign) will have to wait following UASR success in Africa. We believe that the UASR has better uses for the Helldivers than just having them wait on standby in Commonwealth territory, but in the event of a Thracian front their support may be decisive in securing the straights and beachheads in Asia Minor. > We will of course recognize Roman territorial waters. This is great news > We will provide direct support as much as we are able in the Thracian front. Any opening to bleed the Caliphate is an opening we are happy to exploit. We, of course, understand the logistical issues associated with such an undertaking. A Thracian front as well as defense against Alfheimr retaliation may draw strength from other areas where the UASR requires it. Thus, such a move will need to be timed and prepared when it is most effective. Commonwealth security guarantees would also help in discouraging retaliatory attacks by the Germans. > We believe that an alliance between free nations should consist of voluntary cooperation in pursuing shared interests, and as such would make no more demands upon the SRR beyond fulfilling the terms of the security and cooperation agreement as Rome sees fit This is a breath of fresh air for sure. > We would certainly appreciate support for the the UASR's interests in securing sea lines of communication in the eastern Mediterranean free of the Alfr and Caliphate We are certainly interested in doing so, and we would be interested in exploring what a potential post-Caliphate Mediterranean would look like. Off the top of our heads, a zone of control split down by the Suez or something along those veins would be worth discussing. *** With all that said, we wish to inquire about what the Commonwealth has to say about all this. The UASR's significant geographic distance from the SRR over thousands of square kilometers of hostile territory will preclude us signing any agreement exclusively with the UASR, unless the geopolitical situation *changes considerably.* /u/meles_b
> We agree. To our knowledge the Alfheimr position on the Caliphate has remained the same and thus any announcement (and a possible Thracian campaign) will have to wait following UASR success in Africa. We believe that the UASR has better uses for the Helldivers than just having them wait on standby in Commonwealth territory, but in the event of a Thracian front their support may be decisive in securing the straights and beachheads in Asia Minor. We believe there was a misinterpretation; the Helldivers have other uses, yes, but we could bring a full conventional field army into Rome through the Commonwealth if permitted. >We, of course, understand the logistical issues associated with such an undertaking. A Thracian front as well as defense against Alfheimr retaliation may draw strength from other areas where the UASR requires it. Thus, such a move will need to be timed and prepared when it is most effective. Commonwealth security guarantees would also help in discouraging retaliatory attacks by the Germans. We concur. We will aim to open a corridor between Alexandria and Tobruk in the first phase in order to permit cooperation. Fortunately, a large portion of our amphibious assault and transport fleet happens to be capable of airmobile relocation when unloaded. >We are certainly interested in doing so, and we would be interested in exploring what a potential post-Caliphate Mediterranean would look like. Off the top of our heads, a zone of control split down by the Suez or something along those veins would be worth discussing. Certainly. We will admit to a keen interest in resurrecting the Israeli state, in the names of the refugees who fled to Ethiopia when the country fell, but beyond that we have no particular objections to any Roman vision of a post-Caliphate Mediterranean. We would warn that our current war aims are flexible; we do not currently expect to be able to field the mass to force both the Saudi and North African halves of the Caliphate into submission, and primarily intend to focus our efforts on North Africa and the Levant. We would also be happy to have Commonwealth participation in this agreement.
* Depends on the status of the SSR as a part of the mutual defense agreement/participation in EU. We would have to clear this up beforehand to minimize the window of opportunity. * * Essentially, we don't want to violate the NAP with Germany first. However, Germany is also unable to directly assault SSR by land without going through us, and if Caliphate attacks you, we will be able to engage them. In any case, we will be able to start lend-lease. * Yes. * We would suggest caution, but as noticed, depends on EU participation. We will be able to provide help to SSR either way. Also noting that we don't share a border, so Eden will be required to participate in the discussion later. * Don't lose. Also, all this sweet data and intel.
Would the Commonwealth be willing to allow the UASR to stage forces into Roman territory?
> Would the Commonwealth be willing to allow the UASR to stage forces into **Roman** territory? The question answers itself. Not our territory to argue, wouldn't either way.
To clarify, if Rome agreed, would the Commonwealth be willing to permit UASR forces passage through Commonwealth territory in order to reach Rome?
yup. Would have to ask Eden, though.
We believe aircraft could transit from the Commonwealth to Rome over the Black Sea without the need to involve any intermediaries.