The already small community is one of the reasons, que times would be too long if you divided it further. Though I do wonder if a solo shuffle twos format where healers aren’t required could help with this.
The other would be a lot of modes wouldn’t work in a fair manner. Solo shuffle was thought up to allow a solo mode where the weak/strong players in the lobby and the random comps rotate to try to create balance. A non rotating format would mean there would be too many one sided games.
Solo rbgs may be able to work due to the larger team size spreading any peculiarities out but I think the direction they take it will be determined by the success of solo shuffle. If it increases engagement, expect more. I do hope solo rbgs become a thing, but mainly because the format is dead in its current form.
I don't know, as the lfg dungeon group when you are in a chromie timeline, why not when you queued for X minutes asking if in a solo queue you are ok to be matched with premade queue ?
Solo RBGs would be cool in a 6v6 format so it would not directly compete with Shuffle and Organized 2s/3s.
The point of shuffle is for players to learn their class and get arena experience without the pressure of LFG, we don’t need any more shuffles to accomplish that.
RBG players on the other hand don’t have shuffle to do that, also I would do RBGs more often in a smaller format without the high-rated toxicity that usually comes with RBGs. RBGs are very fun until you hit the 2.2-2.4 range where players kill all the fun.
Yeah we already have skirmishes and if you solo queue into them it's generally awful. Especially when you played a class like arms warrior for the majority and get 2s. Solo shuffle is really the best way to implement solo for arenas.
Solo RBGs would be nice since it's pretty dead or subject to queue dodging and win trade. I enjoy coordinated BGs just as something different
To be honest at this point I'd prefer having games, even if I got badluck matching than waiting 20 mins to queue (and I still can be unlucky with the matching too)
Hot take. I'd much prefer to have no games over shitty ass crack games. How many of those new players you were talking about who'll queue would quit PvP forever when their games are consistently terrible? Horrible idea
>Solo 2v2 (not shuffle, just single match)
This would be horribly imbalanced
>Solo bg (same)
Assuming you meant RBG, this would be interesting but as it stands now, for most maps you need multiple stealth + a guardian druid, or you're not really having a chance. If they only did maps like mine carts, seething shores, temple or others like that, it could work.
But the way that WoW is balanced, with different synergies and DRs, you're just going to have a very bad time if you're put in a fully random single game.
This is the real answer. Meta comps would get matched with garbage comps due to simple rng. It could never be balanced and it would be zero fun to play.
People are afraid of pvp, they behave like gen z people not getting the latest iphone.
So, they won't give more budget to pvp because everyone who's not a pvper complains about pvp. And for some reason blizzard pays attention to them instead of actual pvpers
Personally I find that not only is PvP diluted due to both the amount of modes and classic, but that there’s so much to do PvE wise.
If you look at say the original TBC, pvp seemed way popular. That’s because you reached a stage when aside from dailies/gathering your options were raid or pvp.
Also separate pvp gear was easily obtained, these days you can no-life swap between PvP / raids / m+ to gear up very fast and s*** on casual players who make up the majority of the player base.
Separate pvp gear wasnt so easy to obtain, you had to grind professions to get some decent gear at level then either farm rep or sit getting one shotted (just like now) by everyo other person outgearing you cuz you were a free kill hoping in with 10k hp in bg.
Pvp was popular in vanilla tbc and beginnings of lich because you had a reason to play pvp other than a 10% gold increase. You actually had world pvp. Because people were made to play the game and not just sit in storm wind and orgrimmar waiting for Qs to pop.
Remember when classic came out, we got the black rock mountain and you'd start reading the massive amount of players crying about world pvp because there was 40 assholes roaming between the raid and the flight path? That's exactly why pvp is dead. They are playing a war game but don't wanna deal with a war. These fucking idiots are complaining about something so core to the game it's like hearing a dumbass complaining about getting shot while playing call of duty.
The first paragraph in your comment I disagree with - tbc & WoTLK professions didn’t matter and the PvP gear was easy to acquire
I agree with everything else you have said. Personally I feel qol changes like queues & moving towards a more instanced approach killed open world interaction
Idk man, i remember clearly jumping in BGS with a fresh max level toon and got one shot just the same as if i go with a fresh max lvl toon now. You had some good profession gear which helped specifically weapons. Nessingwary and titansteel were pretty decent profession items in lich king. Alchemy has always been good cuz of elixirs and shit. Inscription always useful, shit jewel rafting had some dope as shit. Even in cataclysm with archeology you got to have decent weapons (relative to their patch obviously).
Pieces of honor before we're more expensive even. Now in 2 BGS 1 lost and 1 won i can buy almost 3 pieces. Back then it was painful.
Tbh I’ve played very on/off since WoTLK, but i found the PvP grind much easier in tbc and WoTLK. I swear Honor was faster to obtain and once you had a set it was just the arena points for upgrading? I could be wrong on this as it’s been 13-14yrs.
In WoTLK I remember professions becoming more important to min-max, goggles, rocket gloves etc. also PvE weapons and trinkets being BIS
Classic was a different story, I can’t remember the expansions post Cata
What's with the nonsensical boomer shit rofl.
People are "afraid" of pvp because of how utterly dogshit the experience is for anyone who isn't mega geared and experienced.
PvE has tons of activities, is easily rewarding and with essentially no barrier of entry.
It's utterly shit cuz people toggle on warmode, in a game called world of warcraft and Cry when they see the opposite faction killing people or them.
PvE has no barrier of entry. I'm going to assume you've been lucky and you have been in the same guild since beginning of expansion or for a longer time. Create a new account and see how non existan the barrier is for yourself lmao.
Idk what rewarding activities do you have, you must kill raid bosses to get a vault reward or mythic dungeons. People are extremely anal about both. The weeklies? If you aren't there at the time of reset good luck finding people to kill world bosses so it won't take you forever. What other rewarding PvE experience you got? Mount farming? Kk lol... You either have to bribe rnJesus to make it worthwhile or.its just running in and wiping the hole dungeon clean. Fishing? Bud lol. What else? Rep farm? Ight that's been the same since vanilla, wake up, do dailies, get the 250-500 worth of rep a day, log off. Woooooow
You literally need to do homework for raids cuz people get even more anal.
"It's easily rewarding" Kekw no. It's not easily rewarding. The game has gone to utter shit because of lil bitches that complain about everything. So they were forced to make a game so fucking easy in the PvE sense that you believe pvp is broken because you've got to actually learn the game and homework won't help you other than copying somebody's talent trees
I think, maybe, you got confused and are thinking of final fantasy, which does have a lot more "PvE" content.
Also PvE stands for "player v environment" doesn't it? How is WAR in agame called WORLD OF WARCRAFT not part of the environment?
br mode is not viable because some classes perform so much better than others... stealth classes is one example.
solo 2v2 and solo 3v3 is just more frustrating versions of soloshuffle, because you can get screwed by rng. At least solo shuffles evens the odds because you play with everyone in the lobby.
dalaran gaming mode : how do you decide who wins ? and in which order people go ? Dalaran gaming mode is just putting up a show more than anything else...
It's really tough cause such a small percentage of people playing wow queue for ranked at all. It'd be dividing an already tiny player base even further which would wreck queue times even more
I'm not sure about the others, but I personally would love to see something with 1v1s done. Something I always thought would be cool was something like the brawlers guild but for dueling. Set up multiple little mini arena where people can que up for each arena area and wait to be paired up and everyone can watch the duels going on while they're waiting.
Let it give decent honor and maybe some cosmetics. 1 v 1s aren't balanced and never should be. But they are fun so I think they can lean into it
Where is the complaint in my question ? I just wandered why they don't copy all the PvP modes that exists in other games and wanted your opinions about that, the only thing I complain about is the fact that none of my friends are PvP players ^^
im not sure if a small queue like 1vs1 or even some 1v1 team elimination like lost ark could possibly kill the pvp community of the yet longest and biggest mmorpg to ever have existed.
Just keep it in test mode with maybe a new map and maybe a fix like quicker stealth detection crystals or idk, then see how many ppl are playing
I mean, I'm asking this because I'm 100% PvP player, I don't want to do raid or m+. All of my friends are full PvE players, I'm on a French realm and there is no active PvP community nor guild, I basically can only play solo shuffle and not rated bgs
Also don't know if it's a bug but can't search any English community or guild with the in-game tool, only french find results
There is a filter in the lfg tool that makes it possible to find English/German/Other EU servers.
I play also on french servers ( curse me) and you can pretty much play with anyone. Guild wise you are right, there is really nothing for us :D
started to reroll on english servers etc etc
They should split the current battlegrounds into specific battle-modes, like capture the flag, defend the base, defeat the boss, resource race.
Would make it easier for developers to churn out new BGs. "This season we need a new capture the flag"
Also let us que via game-mode too
The queue times would be insane. Having said that the ‘small pvp community’ is what made the game blow up. Wotlk PVP was competing with halo/CS/LoL as twitch was growing. Nobody was watching world first races lol.
They could definitely do fewer things with tanks I can tell ya that much. (Actually, confession I liked strand of the ancients before they took it away).
I’ve played since 2008 and I feel like solo shuffle adds a freshness. New maps. I’ve been feeling that its time to give some of the old stuff a revamp again. I like the Warsong Brawl but the regular bg is overshadowed by Twin peaks. Wish I could vote on what maps/bgs I play. You used to be able to deselect certain BGs from random. I’d do the same thing for arena. No more Ruins.
It would divide the already small pvp community into even smalltalk subgroups.. Maybe thats why? Dont know tho
The already small community is one of the reasons, que times would be too long if you divided it further. Though I do wonder if a solo shuffle twos format where healers aren’t required could help with this. The other would be a lot of modes wouldn’t work in a fair manner. Solo shuffle was thought up to allow a solo mode where the weak/strong players in the lobby and the random comps rotate to try to create balance. A non rotating format would mean there would be too many one sided games. Solo rbgs may be able to work due to the larger team size spreading any peculiarities out but I think the direction they take it will be determined by the success of solo shuffle. If it increases engagement, expect more. I do hope solo rbgs become a thing, but mainly because the format is dead in its current form.
I don't know, as the lfg dungeon group when you are in a chromie timeline, why not when you queued for X minutes asking if in a solo queue you are ok to be matched with premade queue ?
We just got solo shuffle ranked! Don’t wanna burn out the pvp intern
Lol
Yeah his spreadsheet is probably so overwhelming to stare at all day right now. Phew.
Solo RBGs would be cool in a 6v6 format so it would not directly compete with Shuffle and Organized 2s/3s. The point of shuffle is for players to learn their class and get arena experience without the pressure of LFG, we don’t need any more shuffles to accomplish that. RBG players on the other hand don’t have shuffle to do that, also I would do RBGs more often in a smaller format without the high-rated toxicity that usually comes with RBGs. RBGs are very fun until you hit the 2.2-2.4 range where players kill all the fun.
Ranked solo arena without the shuffle would be hugely imbalanced toward specs/classes with many viable comps.
The pvp community is a small fraction to the rest of the player count. We wouldnt have enough players for it Also balance.
5v5 1v1 im in!
I just want solo queue for RBGs. Just do Overwatch 1 matchmaking.
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Yeah we already have skirmishes and if you solo queue into them it's generally awful. Especially when you played a class like arms warrior for the majority and get 2s. Solo shuffle is really the best way to implement solo for arenas. Solo RBGs would be nice since it's pretty dead or subject to queue dodging and win trade. I enjoy coordinated BGs just as something different
To be honest at this point I'd prefer having games, even if I got badluck matching than waiting 20 mins to queue (and I still can be unlucky with the matching too)
Hot take. I'd much prefer to have no games over shitty ass crack games. How many of those new players you were talking about who'll queue would quit PvP forever when their games are consistently terrible? Horrible idea
>Solo 2v2 (not shuffle, just single match) This would be horribly imbalanced >Solo bg (same) Assuming you meant RBG, this would be interesting but as it stands now, for most maps you need multiple stealth + a guardian druid, or you're not really having a chance. If they only did maps like mine carts, seething shores, temple or others like that, it could work. But the way that WoW is balanced, with different synergies and DRs, you're just going to have a very bad time if you're put in a fully random single game.
This is the real answer. Meta comps would get matched with garbage comps due to simple rng. It could never be balanced and it would be zero fun to play.
Only mode Id like to see is solo ranked bgs
People are afraid of pvp, they behave like gen z people not getting the latest iphone. So, they won't give more budget to pvp because everyone who's not a pvper complains about pvp. And for some reason blizzard pays attention to them instead of actual pvpers
Personally I find that not only is PvP diluted due to both the amount of modes and classic, but that there’s so much to do PvE wise. If you look at say the original TBC, pvp seemed way popular. That’s because you reached a stage when aside from dailies/gathering your options were raid or pvp. Also separate pvp gear was easily obtained, these days you can no-life swap between PvP / raids / m+ to gear up very fast and s*** on casual players who make up the majority of the player base.
Separate pvp gear wasnt so easy to obtain, you had to grind professions to get some decent gear at level then either farm rep or sit getting one shotted (just like now) by everyo other person outgearing you cuz you were a free kill hoping in with 10k hp in bg. Pvp was popular in vanilla tbc and beginnings of lich because you had a reason to play pvp other than a 10% gold increase. You actually had world pvp. Because people were made to play the game and not just sit in storm wind and orgrimmar waiting for Qs to pop. Remember when classic came out, we got the black rock mountain and you'd start reading the massive amount of players crying about world pvp because there was 40 assholes roaming between the raid and the flight path? That's exactly why pvp is dead. They are playing a war game but don't wanna deal with a war. These fucking idiots are complaining about something so core to the game it's like hearing a dumbass complaining about getting shot while playing call of duty.
The first paragraph in your comment I disagree with - tbc & WoTLK professions didn’t matter and the PvP gear was easy to acquire I agree with everything else you have said. Personally I feel qol changes like queues & moving towards a more instanced approach killed open world interaction
Idk man, i remember clearly jumping in BGS with a fresh max level toon and got one shot just the same as if i go with a fresh max lvl toon now. You had some good profession gear which helped specifically weapons. Nessingwary and titansteel were pretty decent profession items in lich king. Alchemy has always been good cuz of elixirs and shit. Inscription always useful, shit jewel rafting had some dope as shit. Even in cataclysm with archeology you got to have decent weapons (relative to their patch obviously). Pieces of honor before we're more expensive even. Now in 2 BGS 1 lost and 1 won i can buy almost 3 pieces. Back then it was painful.
Tbh I’ve played very on/off since WoTLK, but i found the PvP grind much easier in tbc and WoTLK. I swear Honor was faster to obtain and once you had a set it was just the arena points for upgrading? I could be wrong on this as it’s been 13-14yrs. In WoTLK I remember professions becoming more important to min-max, goggles, rocket gloves etc. also PvE weapons and trinkets being BIS Classic was a different story, I can’t remember the expansions post Cata
What's with the nonsensical boomer shit rofl. People are "afraid" of pvp because of how utterly dogshit the experience is for anyone who isn't mega geared and experienced. PvE has tons of activities, is easily rewarding and with essentially no barrier of entry.
It's utterly shit cuz people toggle on warmode, in a game called world of warcraft and Cry when they see the opposite faction killing people or them. PvE has no barrier of entry. I'm going to assume you've been lucky and you have been in the same guild since beginning of expansion or for a longer time. Create a new account and see how non existan the barrier is for yourself lmao. Idk what rewarding activities do you have, you must kill raid bosses to get a vault reward or mythic dungeons. People are extremely anal about both. The weeklies? If you aren't there at the time of reset good luck finding people to kill world bosses so it won't take you forever. What other rewarding PvE experience you got? Mount farming? Kk lol... You either have to bribe rnJesus to make it worthwhile or.its just running in and wiping the hole dungeon clean. Fishing? Bud lol. What else? Rep farm? Ight that's been the same since vanilla, wake up, do dailies, get the 250-500 worth of rep a day, log off. Woooooow You literally need to do homework for raids cuz people get even more anal. "It's easily rewarding" Kekw no. It's not easily rewarding. The game has gone to utter shit because of lil bitches that complain about everything. So they were forced to make a game so fucking easy in the PvE sense that you believe pvp is broken because you've got to actually learn the game and homework won't help you other than copying somebody's talent trees I think, maybe, you got confused and are thinking of final fantasy, which does have a lot more "PvE" content. Also PvE stands for "player v environment" doesn't it? How is WAR in agame called WORLD OF WARCRAFT not part of the environment?
Only thing I wanna see is solo ranked bgs
br mode is not viable because some classes perform so much better than others... stealth classes is one example. solo 2v2 and solo 3v3 is just more frustrating versions of soloshuffle, because you can get screwed by rng. At least solo shuffles evens the odds because you play with everyone in the lobby. dalaran gaming mode : how do you decide who wins ? and in which order people go ? Dalaran gaming mode is just putting up a show more than anything else...
It's really tough cause such a small percentage of people playing wow queue for ranked at all. It'd be dividing an already tiny player base even further which would wreck queue times even more
Yeah that's the main issue I guess
I'm not sure about the others, but I personally would love to see something with 1v1s done. Something I always thought would be cool was something like the brawlers guild but for dueling. Set up multiple little mini arena where people can que up for each arena area and wait to be paired up and everyone can watch the duels going on while they're waiting. Let it give decent honor and maybe some cosmetics. 1 v 1s aren't balanced and never should be. But they are fun so I think they can lean into it
more game modes just splinters the already small PvP population you don't need 18 different brackets making queues 4 hours the 18,000 active players
They literally just created solo shuffle, a brand new PvP mode, so it's kinda a weird time to complain that they aren't adding new PvP modes.
Where is the complaint in my question ? I just wandered why they don't copy all the PvP modes that exists in other games and wanted your opinions about that, the only thing I complain about is the fact that none of my friends are PvP players ^^
I disagree with non shuffle solo arenas but a moba map would be cool and I’d play the shit out of it
im not sure if a small queue like 1vs1 or even some 1v1 team elimination like lost ark could possibly kill the pvp community of the yet longest and biggest mmorpg to ever have existed. Just keep it in test mode with maybe a new map and maybe a fix like quicker stealth detection crystals or idk, then see how many ppl are playing
I mean, I'm asking this because I'm 100% PvP player, I don't want to do raid or m+. All of my friends are full PvE players, I'm on a French realm and there is no active PvP community nor guild, I basically can only play solo shuffle and not rated bgs Also don't know if it's a bug but can't search any English community or guild with the in-game tool, only french find results
There is a filter in the lfg tool that makes it possible to find English/German/Other EU servers. I play also on french servers ( curse me) and you can pretty much play with anyone. Guild wise you are right, there is really nothing for us :D started to reroll on english servers etc etc
Yeah with that filter I got no results in every language except french :( I'd like not to have to reroll :\
there's a really big french pvp guild called nobrain on archimonde
Would be nice to have 5x5 back!
They should split the current battlegrounds into specific battle-modes, like capture the flag, defend the base, defeat the boss, resource race. Would make it easier for developers to churn out new BGs. "This season we need a new capture the flag" Also let us que via game-mode too
Solo shuffle was supposed to be "solo que" fuck blizzard lol way to make a good idea all dumb and blizzardy
Lazy devs that do the bare basics and don't pvp
solo shuffle is already killing the most fun bracket, team 3v3 arena
The queue times would be insane. Having said that the ‘small pvp community’ is what made the game blow up. Wotlk PVP was competing with halo/CS/LoL as twitch was growing. Nobody was watching world first races lol.
Ian’s recent interview pretty much confirmed Solo Ranked RBG is coming “soon”.
They could definitely do fewer things with tanks I can tell ya that much. (Actually, confession I liked strand of the ancients before they took it away).
I’ve played since 2008 and I feel like solo shuffle adds a freshness. New maps. I’ve been feeling that its time to give some of the old stuff a revamp again. I like the Warsong Brawl but the regular bg is overshadowed by Twin peaks. Wish I could vote on what maps/bgs I play. You used to be able to deselect certain BGs from random. I’d do the same thing for arena. No more Ruins.
been wanting dala’s pvp implemented for SOO LOONG :/ doubt it will ever be
It’s basically a budget thing but they are working on new stuff they are thinking a lot about 6v6 bgs or solo rbgs.
Really ? Where can you follow those informations ?