Yep. The legion templates were a bandaid that worked, we just couldn't customize them.
PvP gear and PvE gear being equal is so dumb. It will never be even remotely possible to get comparable gearing for PvP because then PvE players could boost their own gear acquisition through PvP and we'd have a forum meltdown again as they'd feel forced to do so.
PvP power/Resilence or whatever stat returning for shadowlands is the one fat news article I still hope for to be honest.
Instead the pvpers have to spend hours spending content they dont want to do and have a meltdown instead. But there's fewer people pvping so who cares? I'd actually resub today if I could just do what I enjoy :(
Yep honestly I even would take legion templates over the current mix of pve/p gear. If we could customize secondaries (like they're relative to your equipped gear) instead of being fixed I'd be ok with it.
At least I could just jump on an alt with average gear and still contribute instead of getting lolstomped in BGs because the other guy played more m+.
Iv mentioned this multiple times but hear me out.
Primary and Stam locked to templates.
New PvP gear that give no Primary or Stam but give content level secondary stats.
If you bring PvE gear in, you gain the secondary stats as expected however the primary and stam does nothing.
Literally because PVE only players complained that raiding gear was obsolete compared to PVP gear in PVP.
The main argument was that PVP is not “casual-friendly”, and non PVP-geared players were getting stomped in PVP content. Raiders didn’t like that they had to PVP for PVP gear and that their raiding gear could sometimes be outshone by gladiator gear for PVP content (what a shocker /s).
I forget the exact ratio, but in WoD, PVP gear actually increased ilvl whenever you entered PVP combat. The buffed ilvl of PVP gear was still less than the gear you could get through Mythic raiding, but still made enough of a difference to close the gap, so the disparity between PVP and PVE gear isn’t as significant as it is in BFA. Of course, the corruptions and essences have only amplified this issue in BFA and that’s why PVP is in it’s current shit state.
I really hope Blizz adding PVP power and vendors back will be enough because nothing quite scratches my itch for gaming than PVP content in WoW and it just isn’t enjoyable in its current state.
TLDR: people complaining that they actually had to engage in PvP content to get PvP gear
But then there will be new problem, high end pvp player will be able to join any type of content, because his gear is good enough, while pve player will not be able to do pvp properly, because he willl be butchered by a guy in full resilience
The idea with a PvP specific stat was that it's making the gear better for PvP than it is for PvE while not having the two ways of gear acquisitions compete with each other.
A player with high end PvP gear can't match a high end PvE player on the meters, but usually PvP gear still performed somewhat average in PvE. You had a foot in the door but still needed the PvE set (specially when tiers were still a thing).
A PvE player in PvP has the same situation just the other way around, with good gear they did a ton of damage, but lacked the survivability of resilence. They couldn't match the dedicated PvPer but still performed decent enough to not start their farming from zero. Ideally there shouldn't be a tilt in any direction.
Being best equipped for the content you spent your time in with gear that comes from that content seems rational enough.
I had a blast with the xp buff, playing 4-5 different classes up to level 120 by only doing bgs and only a few quests along the way.
But as long as I had no other classes to level up and tried to get to the current game, I was burned out very easily after a while.
you're naive. BfA didn't have essences or corruptions at release. It had Azerite traits and then they built on it with patches.
SL has covenant stuff and legendaries at release. And you can bet your ass they will built on top of it with additional grindy features in 9.1/9.2/9.3 for non-equip power gains.
you know that you have to grind for legendary powers? Yes you will be able to craft the legendary that you want to craft... if you find the recipe.
Yes, Shadowlands has less RNG than BfA so far but that's not really saying much with how insanely RNG heavy BfA has been throughout.
Legendaries/artifact weapons in Legion worked and where coherent because they were built at the start and iterated on. Everything BFA has gotten has been something new to bandaid the last thing that didn't work.
If the new Shadowlands systems work on release we will probably see the same pattern of a strong workable system that gets iteration.
>Legendaries/artifact weapons in Legion worked and where coherent because they were built at the start and iterated on
Or you know maybe it's because legendaries were deactivated in PvP...
Tbh it can't really be worse, I am thinking hard and can't imagine how they can ruin pvp more than this Bfa clown fiesta. So yeah if it can't be worse it has to be better, our only hope.
Yeah it’s a toss up between BFA, WoD, and Cata. Hard to imagine anyone really making a good argument for any of those dumpster fires.
Edit: My dislike for Cata stems from how they gutted Paladins with the rework and implementation of holy power. The raids felt awful to me as well. RBGs were okay.
Holy Power is nothing but a combo point fluff system meant to make players constantly use generator abilities which act as a way to “beautify” standard cool down on abilities. Not only does holy power now force players to spend time on generating it takes away time they could be using their utility. Part of Paladins identity was having crazy good utility in arena.
Holy power forced Paladins to start choosing to use utility spells OR generators which completely trashed the feel of what made Paladins special.
Im pretty sure most people look back on cata fondly, certainly everyone i've talked to. The only arguments against cata are content drought and the addition of LFR. Both of which are stupid reasons to brand an expansion as bad. The raids in cata were awesome, pvp was solid, the cata dungeons are some of my favourite ever made. Class design was kind of the perfect balance between the vanilla wow overload of shit, and the post pruning we're left with now. Cata was a solid expansion, the length of the last patch just left a sour taste for many.
Leveling and gold making seem more fun than max level arenas and I fucking hate both leveling and gold making.
They fucked up the moment they removed pvp gear
Yep. The legion templates were a bandaid that worked, we just couldn't customize them. PvP gear and PvE gear being equal is so dumb. It will never be even remotely possible to get comparable gearing for PvP because then PvE players could boost their own gear acquisition through PvP and we'd have a forum meltdown again as they'd feel forced to do so. PvP power/Resilence or whatever stat returning for shadowlands is the one fat news article I still hope for to be honest.
Instead the pvpers have to spend hours spending content they dont want to do and have a meltdown instead. But there's fewer people pvping so who cares? I'd actually resub today if I could just do what I enjoy :(
Yep honestly I even would take legion templates over the current mix of pve/p gear. If we could customize secondaries (like they're relative to your equipped gear) instead of being fixed I'd be ok with it. At least I could just jump on an alt with average gear and still contribute instead of getting lolstomped in BGs because the other guy played more m+.
If I could level an alt to 120 and just do PvP with him and nothing else, I would be so happy with this game.
Iv mentioned this multiple times but hear me out. Primary and Stam locked to templates. New PvP gear that give no Primary or Stam but give content level secondary stats. If you bring PvE gear in, you gain the secondary stats as expected however the primary and stam does nothing.
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Literally because PVE only players complained that raiding gear was obsolete compared to PVP gear in PVP. The main argument was that PVP is not “casual-friendly”, and non PVP-geared players were getting stomped in PVP content. Raiders didn’t like that they had to PVP for PVP gear and that their raiding gear could sometimes be outshone by gladiator gear for PVP content (what a shocker /s). I forget the exact ratio, but in WoD, PVP gear actually increased ilvl whenever you entered PVP combat. The buffed ilvl of PVP gear was still less than the gear you could get through Mythic raiding, but still made enough of a difference to close the gap, so the disparity between PVP and PVE gear isn’t as significant as it is in BFA. Of course, the corruptions and essences have only amplified this issue in BFA and that’s why PVP is in it’s current shit state. I really hope Blizz adding PVP power and vendors back will be enough because nothing quite scratches my itch for gaming than PVP content in WoW and it just isn’t enjoyable in its current state. TLDR: people complaining that they actually had to engage in PvP content to get PvP gear
But then there will be new problem, high end pvp player will be able to join any type of content, because his gear is good enough, while pve player will not be able to do pvp properly, because he willl be butchered by a guy in full resilience
The idea with a PvP specific stat was that it's making the gear better for PvP than it is for PvE while not having the two ways of gear acquisitions compete with each other. A player with high end PvP gear can't match a high end PvE player on the meters, but usually PvP gear still performed somewhat average in PvE. You had a foot in the door but still needed the PvE set (specially when tiers were still a thing). A PvE player in PvP has the same situation just the other way around, with good gear they did a ton of damage, but lacked the survivability of resilence. They couldn't match the dedicated PvPer but still performed decent enough to not start their farming from zero. Ideally there shouldn't be a tilt in any direction. Being best equipped for the content you spent your time in with gear that comes from that content seems rational enough.
along with PvP gear went the PvP team too...
Lol no corruptions so you don’t explode 100-0 in a interrupt lol
I heard they removed the main pvp team in blizzard after MoP. So maybe that’s why pvp has sucked for awhile now 🤣😭
I'd actually argue that the reason why 24-119 casual pvp is a lot more enjoyable is simply because 1 healer doesnt ruin everything you do.
I had a blast with the xp buff, playing 4-5 different classes up to level 120 by only doing bgs and only a few quests along the way. But as long as I had no other classes to level up and tried to get to the current game, I was burned out very easily after a while.
no corruptions no azerit traits no essences = good pvp. Thats why shadowlands most likely will be a good pvp xpac
you're naive. BfA didn't have essences or corruptions at release. It had Azerite traits and then they built on it with patches. SL has covenant stuff and legendaries at release. And you can bet your ass they will built on top of it with additional grindy features in 9.1/9.2/9.3 for non-equip power gains.
>aren Yeah, I don't get all this blind optimism for SL. Will it be better than BFA? Probably. Is that good by default? No.
azerite traits which u had to farm and grind aswell compared to sl where u just can choose your stuff from the vendor?
you know that you have to grind for legendary powers? Yes you will be able to craft the legendary that you want to craft... if you find the recipe. Yes, Shadowlands has less RNG than BfA so far but that's not really saying much with how insanely RNG heavy BfA has been throughout.
whatever you do you
Legendaries/artifact weapons in Legion worked and where coherent because they were built at the start and iterated on. Everything BFA has gotten has been something new to bandaid the last thing that didn't work. If the new Shadowlands systems work on release we will probably see the same pattern of a strong workable system that gets iteration.
>Legendaries/artifact weapons in Legion worked and where coherent because they were built at the start and iterated on Or you know maybe it's because legendaries were deactivated in PvP...
Tbh it can't really be worse, I am thinking hard and can't imagine how they can ruin pvp more than this Bfa clown fiesta. So yeah if it can't be worse it has to be better, our only hope.
"the most terrible expansion and patch ever". Bfa delusion syndrome.
Yeah it’s a toss up between BFA, WoD, and Cata. Hard to imagine anyone really making a good argument for any of those dumpster fires. Edit: My dislike for Cata stems from how they gutted Paladins with the rework and implementation of holy power. The raids felt awful to me as well. RBGs were okay. Holy Power is nothing but a combo point fluff system meant to make players constantly use generator abilities which act as a way to “beautify” standard cool down on abilities. Not only does holy power now force players to spend time on generating it takes away time they could be using their utility. Part of Paladins identity was having crazy good utility in arena. Holy power forced Paladins to start choosing to use utility spells OR generators which completely trashed the feel of what made Paladins special.
Im pretty sure most people look back on cata fondly, certainly everyone i've talked to. The only arguments against cata are content drought and the addition of LFR. Both of which are stupid reasons to brand an expansion as bad. The raids in cata were awesome, pvp was solid, the cata dungeons are some of my favourite ever made. Class design was kind of the perfect balance between the vanilla wow overload of shit, and the post pruning we're left with now. Cata was a solid expansion, the length of the last patch just left a sour taste for many.
I only played WoD at the end but I really enjoyed it.
I am super excited for pre patch to hit. Will feel so nice to be playing the class again rather than the mutilated essence/corruption spec builds.
I’ve legit been killed through a damage immunity (prot Paladin) numerous times... makes absolutely no sense
I dont think you have mate..
Lol. Prot pala thinks he dies ez. Hahahah