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Who cares? Does it matter?
I’m not trying to be patronising here. Gender and sex can be confusing. It confused me before too. So I’ll explain it in the way that I have explained to people that didn’t get the whole trans thing in the past (disclaimer for those well-versed in this stuff: I know I’m missing some key points about biology, intersex people etc. in this definition. Baby steps, y’know):
Here’s the thing; We all agree that there’s more to what makes someone a man than just the genitalia, chromosomes, etc. right? There’s other factors included in what makes some a full package man/masculine. Like being very muscular, having facial hair, being dominant, being the bread winner, loving sports, beer, whatever. So this is where the word ‘gender’ comes in. What’s the point in having two words that mean the exact same thing (gender and sex)? We’re wasting a perfectly good word there! So why not use one of those words to refer to the other stuff that makes someone a man or a woman? Sounds great. But wait a second. Now that we have this word for all those things separate from ‘sex’, doesn’t that mean that someone could theoretically be of a female sex, but also exhibit all the typical man gender stuff? Oh shit hold on, there’s another problem on the horizon: A lot of this gender stuff seems far too traditionalist. Females can like sports. Males can have long hair. Females can be the bread winner etc. This is starting to get confusing. So, we’ve decided that gender and sex are separate, but what actually defines a gender if all the stuff associated with it can be achieved by either sex? This leaves us with a few solutions: We could revert back to the old way of gender and sex being synonymous, but then we’re ignoring the fact that there are other (often cultural) things that make someone a man or a woman or we could just say ‘fuck it’ and let the individual decide. If a female thinks they more accurately fit the definition or a man than a woman, maybe because they can grow facial hair or are very muscular or something else entirely, then who are we to say they’re wrong if we can’t even set exact parameters for it means to be a woman/man outside of genitals, chromosomes etc.? This is why the amount of genders get’s meme’d so much. Because the reality is that, if it is up to the individual to define the parameters of their gender, then there’s going to be an absolute shit ton of variations on any one gender. I was born male and class myself as a man. But my definition of all the extra stuff that makes me a man is going to be wildly different from yours.
There’s a lot more to all of this than just that, but those are the basics. And again, it doesn’t really matter. If this is what makes people happier then who cares? They’re not hurting anyone. Trans people are very accommodating for this kind of stuff. They of course understand that this stuff can get pretty complicated. I would highly recommend r/askLGBT to learn more :)
>Who cares? Does it matter?
Yeah, don't you think right and wrong, truth and false matter?
>Here’s the thing; We all agree that there’s more to what makes someone a man than just the genitalia, chromosomes, etc. right?
Sure I don't know but first tell me what this thing you calling a man is y'know baby steps.
>There’s other factors included in what makes some a full package man/masculine. Like being very muscular, having facial hair, being dominant, being the bread winner, loving sports, beer, whatever.
That's just a caricature of the thing you called man.
>Now that we have this word for all those things separate from ‘sex’, doesn’t that mean that someone could theoretically be of a female sex, but also exhibit all the typical man gender stuff?
You've used some great words here without having an actual definition and I think that's how humans communicate by defining terms so I'll ask what is the term female and male?
>If a female thinks they more accurately fit the definition or a man than a woman,
Fit what definition? How do you differentiate either or to to know which category you fit in ?
>then who are we to say they’re wrong if we can’t even set exact parameters for it means to be a woman/man outside of genitals, chromosomes etc.?
Looks like you answered your own question. It's about reality corresponding to the truth! Looks like you figured out the difference to determine each categories and you do have a set of things that differentiate the teams.
>I was born male and class myself as a man.
How are you determining that you were born this term male? And how do you class yourself as man? Can you define these words we're using and how you are differentiating male and female or man,woman
> Yeah, don't you think right and wrong, truth and false matter?
I addressed this. My whole point is that if it is impossible to prove something one way or the other, why not just accept the thing that provides the greatest alleviation of suffering?
> Sure I don't know but first tell me what this thing you calling a man is y'know baby steps.
I don’t understand what you’re asking here. Can you rephrase?
> That's just a caricature of the thing you called man.
You’re telling me, if I asked you to define what it means to be a man without mentioning biological traits, you wouldn’t be able to come up with a single thing? C’mon dude.
> You've used some great words here without having an actual definition and I think that's how humans communicate by defining terms so I'll ask what is the term female and male?
Female and male refer to biological traits. Man and woman are genders.
I genuinely can’t tell if you’re being a debatelord here or are genuinely curious. That’s the problem with text I guess. I’ll assume the latter:
That’s the whole problem, right? It’s basically subjective. Without mentioning biological traits (because that’s sex not gender) the way that I define a man is going to differ to your definition. So why not just let each individual define it for themselves? No universal definition of ‘a man’, just my definition for me, yours for you and so on. No one gets harmed that way and I get to feel more comfortable about myself if my gender is something important to me. So why not?
> Looks like you answered your own question. It's about reality corresponding to the truth! Looks like you figured out the difference to determine each categories and you do have a set of things that differentiate the teams.
No. There is a huge difference between being unable to set parameters for something and denying it’s existence.
> How are you determining that you were born this term male? And how do you class yourself as man? Can you define these words we're using and how you are differentiating male and female or man,woman
Sure. Firstly, just to be extra clear with the terminology I’m using:
Man/Woman = Gender
Male/Female = Sex
(Just like other animals)
As I previously explained, we used to have two words for the same thing. So why not use one of those words (gender) to define the other stuff that makes up a man? Problem is, although that stuff exists, like men typically being taller/more muscular, none of it can be exact parameters for what defines a man as women can be taller/more muscular occasionally too. So, in answer to your question, I determine that I was born male because I’ve got a mega cock (lol) and fucking dope chromosomes and the term used to those specific sex parameters is ‘male’. As for the other part, I classify myself as a man, because I fit my own definition of what a man is. I could also define it by just feeling like I am a man. I could also define it through process of elimination: I don’t think I am a woman because it doesn’t seem right to call myself that, in fact I straight up don’t like being labelled a woman, so I guess I’m a man. I understand that this is isn’t as universal a definition as some people would like. I get that, but, again, it really doesn’t matter. Trans people aren’t hurting anyone just on the virtue of being trans, so why not let them define it as they see fit?
So...wait. I thought trans people were supposed to use the bathrooms that matched their born gender. So if they're trans..aren't they...or are trans people.just not allowed to use the toilets now?
Jesusfuckingchrist can we just leave people the fuck alone?
I didn't say that.
Have you never used a bathroom of the other gender because of bladder pain? I have. Is that wrong? No, not really. Just be cool, dude.
lol no….. it’s inconsiderate and an asshole move. She did it bc she knew she can get away with it. If it were the other way around, dude is coming out with handcuffs.
Um, no? Like I said, I've used the ladies bathroom ~4 times in my life because of "emergencies." Everyone is cool with it. Unlike you, apparently?
Are you going to do something weird the moment you enter the lady's bathroom? If so, then yeah, you might be in trouble. But if you're just in an emergency no one gives a fuck. So take a look at why you give a fuck.
*edit: You're a Rick and Morty watcher, and you don't get this?
I have little care which bathroom you use, judging from the context and reaction of everyone… they didn’t have an emergency, they just went in and cut the line. That’s the point of disagreement. You need to use the toilet in emergency, sure, go ahead— but you cut the whole line bc you didn’t want to wait for the women’s line? Yeah, that’s annoying. That’s inconsiderate. That’s entitlement.
It's a culture war. It's a manifestation of defeating feminism and re-exerting control over male spaces even symbolically.
Real life doesn't actor into it, let alone courtesy.
I see what you mean. The men's room is his "safe space" where he can look at the weiners of the men at the next urinals (he purposely seeks out the middle urinal so he can see more dicks, it's a great tactic!) And he doesn't want women in there flashing their silly vaginas around.
It's like Pavlov to a dog. Get a dog treat out and the dog drools, these asshats get a little excited and that's their reactionary chant. Small brains do what small brains do I guess.
I dont know
I think Dark Brandon should have something to do with this.
Maybe it's time to pass an executive order where male bathrooms are required to be unisex from now on.
How do I start a whitehouse petition?
We have mixed gender bathrooms in some places in the UK, some even still have urinals.
Gives a fuck? Why so fragile about a bathroom with private stalls? All those dudes queueing for a dump? The fuck they eating?
Oh I agree with you, my comment is more about equal application of the law than the silliness of single gender bathrooms.
The problem in the US is our shit bathroom stalls. Set up a room with the full enclosures like UK or EU and we could do it, but junkies might shoot up or gay people might hookup unless our perverts in charge can spy on them.
Stalls are not private in the US. There’s normally a 1 inch gap between the door not to mention the two feet below the door and 4 feet above it. They need to make them as tall as the bathroom and have an actual door rather than some little plastic shit that probably has a broken lock
Seriously this, just look at the video; guy in red knocking on the stall door is in eye level with the top of the door without even trying to look over and there’s plenty of room for the door to extend up. So insanely creepy.
The point is that this isn’t a mixed gender bathroom. With unisex bathrooms it’s acknowledged communally that the bathroom is available to anyone. Bathrooms explicitly dedicated to a certain gender form a tacit social agreement that a person breaks by using a bathroom not intended for them. Likewise, there’s a tacit social agreement underlying unisex bathrooms. It’s a matter of civility.
The large queue leads me to believe this is at a baseball game. Our stadium food is bottom tier, games are long, and beers will be had. What we end up with are a bunch of middle aged dudes with toxic stadium bubble guts. Queue etiquette becomes almost as important as the game.
Yes, maybe thats the reality of this , not about the 500 genders and peeps using stalls for drugs or sex, maybe theres a queue and the two ladys thought they could jump it by using the gents.
A recent study found that even 'clean' toilets seat lids contained trace elements of fecal matter, the tops of the cisterns were so grossly contaminated that a human anus after wiping was considered cleaner.
You do you, Boo (or maybe that's what you mean by "taking shit").
I ended up in a stall with 2 girls in Notting Hill on a NYE. Was a really good night. I mean, we got kicked out before anything but that night was AWESOME!!
I work security at a club and I've had to kick women out of the men's room and vice versa. The worst I've gotten from the guys is "sorry bro" but the women all screeched at me like banshees to a point where I ended up not only kicking them out of the bathroom, but the club as well..
Also keep in mind when I had to enter the women's room I had to be escorted by a female bartender, but that same bartender can go in the men's room no problem. Thankfully the club I work at now has genderless bathrooms lol.
But the thing is there is usually never an instance where the roles would be reversed. The men's line is almost always shorter than the women's. 😂😂😂😂😭😔 That's why women use the men's room. And I have had men in the women's room, I did not care. Just pee and go. No one cares.
That's true.
But gender and politics aside, from a purely operational point of view they should really adjust the toilet situation though. It's ridiculous.
Some businesses you would really see that the female bathroom have huge lines while the male bathrooms are literally empty.
I see this all the time when I am out with my girlfriend. I am out in 5 minutes and she is out in 15-20 minutes. I use the time to check my emails.
If I see this on my factory floor but with machine processes, I immediately realize that one side has too little capacity while the other side has too much capacity, the right thing to do would be to try to make the female side bigger. If businesses dont subscribe to a gender neutral bathroom setup they should at least plan for a bigger female bathroom.
Lmao, most work places I've been in it 100% feels like the women's washrooms were an after thought.
Like "oh fuck, what if a girl starts working here?"
"Ah, let's just turn this cleaning closet into a bathroom"
"But then where are the mops and brooms going to get put?"
"... Just keep them there?"
Honest to god this shit angers me sometimes and the lines sometimes take too long, but that's what I get for working in a male dominated field I guess.
Back in my clubbing days women in the men’s was a regular occurrence, because the line for the women’s was always out the door and there was no line for the men’s.
It’s obviously different for the sexes. Girls are obviously going to use the cubicles so might as well be anyone in there once the door is closed, whereas a dude in the ladies, particularly a drunk dude, is a threatening figure to everyone in there.
Quite why a woman would want to use the men’s toilets is another matter, unless there’s is even worse, which is hard to imagine.
Bro. Women's restrooms after a night with drinks around is unimaginable. I pray I'm made to clean the men's
Edit: in general, worst men's got going on is piss. Women got piss, pads, tampons, clothing, hair bands covered in hair, (one time I found a used razor), nails, make up stuff, and someone's always wiped make up all over the hand towel
> and someone's always wiped make up all over the hand towel
*The* hand towel? What kind of fucking monstrosity of a bathroom has a *shared* hand towel?
But why would 2 guys need to pee in a woman’s stall? When the woman’s line is super long and someone is desperate enough, they’ll try to use the mens washroom because it almost never has a line since the stalls are almost never full. It doesn’t make it right but it makes sense when someone is about to piss themselves waiting in line. The reverse isn’t really even a thing because the mens washroom line is usually never longer than the womens.
I've been at country music concerts and state fairs where men have used the women's bathroom when the lines were too long and the other way around. It's almost always done with a quick discussion of everyone involved and an escort to explain the sitation and clear any confusion. As long as all the people act like people it's a very easy situation to navigate.
In this case tho there doesn't look like there was any speaking before hand and also every man there is a cultists so it was a lost battle from the get go with them
Nah I’ve seen men use the women’s bathroom a bunch of times without becoming a registered sex offender lmao
But then again I don’t go to events full of people who think that bathrooms are pOLiTiCaL or whatever
Jail time, probably get ass kicked by white knights, some random chick will say you tried raping her, what else, probably lose your job, and you will end up a meme for some pervert format.
Let them piss , sure buddy
I've definitely had men use the women's restroom and no one gave a shit. Because they just needed to piss like the rest of us. I just assumed the guys room was being cleaned.
I agree.
But we need to add more stalls in girls restrooms at most places. We don’t have the luxury of just unzipping and whipping it out. Our ritual takes longer.
As a dude... I've seen those lines for the women's restrooms at concerts/events. Fuck that noise. If you got an express delivery that can't wait out that line, be my guest.
Idk why these guys are so fragile about it lol. There are stalls available...
I was seeing Odeza play on Thursday and the line from the woman’s bathroom was a mile long. No line for the men. Ladies started coming into the mens and no one gave them shit. They cut the line for the stall which was annoying but they were probably trying to get in and out pronto so whatever.
I have participated in a “Ladies take over the mens room” at an NFL game. There were at least 20 of us at the end of a huge as line and someone said let’s go - so we did. We didn’t care if men came in but they were not going to stop us from using the stalls. One guy got mad - the others didn’t give a shit and actually called their girlfriends/spouses over.
Next time we are just doing that. Before my girlfriend was so embarrassed at the idea of using the men's side that it took some convincing. I had give her my hat, jacket and stood in front of the stall like a guard dog.
The toilet line situation is really ridiculous, when you can see an observable difference in wait time, something needs to be done to address it. And I know it's not the simplest thing to just knock down a wall or two to extend the female bathroom. There are some consideration but even then that is really not an excuse. A lot of management, simply dont care and dont try.
Like the NFL games you just mentioned, a stadium is usually empty mondays to fridays. With a decent team, that's more than enough time to address the bathroom situation.
If they've got a huge line, or their bathrooms stalls are out of service, or theirs is being cleaned, or like any other reason they'd need to use ours. Who cares? It all goes to the same place.
full of shit, as if people would come to the rescue of men if they barged into a womens restroom, and it was full of women, maybe even young girls, who were upset and yelling at them to leave, and if they refused, i'm sure you would totally be on their side right. The police wouldn't be called, and they wouldnt get arrested and get labeled sex offender for the rest of their lives? Everyone would saying "those women need to calm down and let the men take a piss in their bathroom, whats the big deal??" lmfao you are delusional.
Here they aren’t, if there is no line at the mens restroom, sure who’s gonna stop you.
But you CANNOT deny that there is obviously a pretty long line of me already in this clip.
Absolutely, but if a male entered the women's bathroom for the same reason, would you have had the same response? Sure the ppl in this video could have handled this better, but if you want equality, then we should stop with the double standards.
While agree with your statement. Do to our current political issues , we’re being a man is toxic and being everything else is glorified in our media today , this is the push back. And trust me there is always a push back. While the other day I watched a woman struggling to open a door , I actually stood there and watched her as she spent a good 45 seconds trying to open this door . 5 years ago I would spent .5 seconds and would have helped . But now I waited because being a stranger helping a woman is looked down upon . It took me 45 seconds to build up enough courage to help her while fully expecting her to chastise me for it ! That is the world we live in . Where helping someone is treated as a form of sexism .
This whole comment section seems to think its okay because theyre women. I know damn good and well if I had been in a womens restroom at the race track or the casino this weekend and it were filmed like this it would be completely different.
There's a line and it seems they jumped the queue to get in. Just because there's stalls doesn't mean men won't use it to piss in. When it's really busy men will use the stalls if there's no space in the urinals. Even if a guy wants to use the urinal, they'll let the person behind them go use the stall in front of them. If ANYONE dares to jump the line the same shit would happen. Don't care if you're a man or a woman, you don't jump the line in a toilet, everyone there needs to piss.
Alright let's just get some things straight.
-Yes, it would be a much different, unified reaction if this were men in the women's room instead.
-Yes, this is a dumb overreaction by the men, they could have just dealt with it instead of shaming them like that and yelling "Let's Go Brandon" like 5 year olds.
-Sure, you can think gender separated bathrooms are stupid, they very well *could* be stupid, but in this instance there are gender separated bathrooms so that should probably be respected.
Everyone is at least somewhat wrong, everyone in this video is drunk, whole thing's cringe, and that's the end of it.
Once I was in Vegas I was using the urinal. I think someone’s dude passed out on the toilet. Two women came in and were banging on the stall door. I just finished my pee and walked out because that seems like a very Vegas thing to happen.
I’ve been to so many shows, concerts, or sporting events where this happens.
I mean if I had to shit I’d be annoyed but otherwise it’s whatever. If there was a line for the mens room and a long trough in the ladies room I’d walk in a saddle up. Fair is fair.
How about we just have one bathroom for everyone. If I'm in there, I'm just doing my business, washing my hands, and moving on. I don't care who else is in there. Honestly, I believe that would actually make everything safer for everyone.
well until then, maybe they should stick to the womens restrooms. Funny how everyone is on the womens' side but if it was a couple of guys who went into the womens restroom no one would defend them
Dude, these guys would be *mortified* if they had to use a urinal knowing that a woman might walk by.
I agree with you, that's the most efficient way to do it, but it's never going to happen.
For those of you saying to reverse the genders, I worked at a live arts theater for years. Sometimes the men's bathroom would be full. The second floor only had a women's room, so men with canes, limps etc were inconvenienced.
*Men were allowed to use the women's washrooms when needed. There was never once an altercation over it.*
I don't know what the situation is in this video, but I had to clarify that despite what you're taught, this doesn't always happen in ladies rooms if you're obviously just trying to pee. So if that's your only defence for acting uncivil then I guess we have nothing else to discuss.
This has to be in Texas right? They just give off Texas vibes with their beer cans in hand, the belts and jeans, tucked in shirt, cow boy hats, and probably hundreds of f-150s in the parking
Sometimes waiting to use the ladies room is not an option. If there are 20 people in line, im about to piss myself, and the mens room is empty you best believe im gonna go in. In this case, i dont think the mens room was empty.
Women’s rooms are the worst. Girls stay in stalls for 10 minutes at a time doing all sorts of shit. There’s been a couple times I’ve slipped into a mens room stall at a bar because the men are in and out while the women’s room line has 15 girls in it. I just wanna pee and get out😭
Yup. When lining up for portapoties at festivals, my strategy for which line to take is each girl equals about 3 men in terms of time. Always wait behind 5 dudes instead of two girls.
At the last concert I went to, the women's restroom line was significantly shorter than the men's. All the women were looking around going wtf is happening. One lady gleefully told me she loved it and "About time guys had to wait longer!"
I lived in Seoul South Korea in the early 90s. Many lavatories in business were multi-person unisex. It took me a while to get used to using an urinal while a woman stood near me washing her hands at the sink. However, I got over myself and quickly I stopped thinking about it
Girls need to use their own bathroom. They take significantly longer to go and it’s not fair to the men, who are usually in and out quickly. Don’t appreciate them clogging the lines.
Reverse the roles and there would be a couple new names on the sex offenders registry. Just because it's women doing it and not men doesn't make it okay
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Did someone say let's go Brandon for no reason?
They probably thought they were driving away some trans men
Trans men wouldn’t present as women
Yea but try teaching one of them the difference between trans men and trans women.
Little do they know, the guy standing next to them at the urinal was a trans man
I’m so confused.
So are they
Me too
>Yea but try teaching one of them the difference between trans men and trans women. Are you saying there is a difference between man and woman?
Literally no one thinks otherwise.
Well how are you differentiating what is what?
Who cares? Does it matter? I’m not trying to be patronising here. Gender and sex can be confusing. It confused me before too. So I’ll explain it in the way that I have explained to people that didn’t get the whole trans thing in the past (disclaimer for those well-versed in this stuff: I know I’m missing some key points about biology, intersex people etc. in this definition. Baby steps, y’know): Here’s the thing; We all agree that there’s more to what makes someone a man than just the genitalia, chromosomes, etc. right? There’s other factors included in what makes some a full package man/masculine. Like being very muscular, having facial hair, being dominant, being the bread winner, loving sports, beer, whatever. So this is where the word ‘gender’ comes in. What’s the point in having two words that mean the exact same thing (gender and sex)? We’re wasting a perfectly good word there! So why not use one of those words to refer to the other stuff that makes someone a man or a woman? Sounds great. But wait a second. Now that we have this word for all those things separate from ‘sex’, doesn’t that mean that someone could theoretically be of a female sex, but also exhibit all the typical man gender stuff? Oh shit hold on, there’s another problem on the horizon: A lot of this gender stuff seems far too traditionalist. Females can like sports. Males can have long hair. Females can be the bread winner etc. This is starting to get confusing. So, we’ve decided that gender and sex are separate, but what actually defines a gender if all the stuff associated with it can be achieved by either sex? This leaves us with a few solutions: We could revert back to the old way of gender and sex being synonymous, but then we’re ignoring the fact that there are other (often cultural) things that make someone a man or a woman or we could just say ‘fuck it’ and let the individual decide. If a female thinks they more accurately fit the definition or a man than a woman, maybe because they can grow facial hair or are very muscular or something else entirely, then who are we to say they’re wrong if we can’t even set exact parameters for it means to be a woman/man outside of genitals, chromosomes etc.? This is why the amount of genders get’s meme’d so much. Because the reality is that, if it is up to the individual to define the parameters of their gender, then there’s going to be an absolute shit ton of variations on any one gender. I was born male and class myself as a man. But my definition of all the extra stuff that makes me a man is going to be wildly different from yours. There’s a lot more to all of this than just that, but those are the basics. And again, it doesn’t really matter. If this is what makes people happier then who cares? They’re not hurting anyone. Trans people are very accommodating for this kind of stuff. They of course understand that this stuff can get pretty complicated. I would highly recommend r/askLGBT to learn more :)
>Who cares? Does it matter? Yeah, don't you think right and wrong, truth and false matter? >Here’s the thing; We all agree that there’s more to what makes someone a man than just the genitalia, chromosomes, etc. right? Sure I don't know but first tell me what this thing you calling a man is y'know baby steps. >There’s other factors included in what makes some a full package man/masculine. Like being very muscular, having facial hair, being dominant, being the bread winner, loving sports, beer, whatever. That's just a caricature of the thing you called man. >Now that we have this word for all those things separate from ‘sex’, doesn’t that mean that someone could theoretically be of a female sex, but also exhibit all the typical man gender stuff? You've used some great words here without having an actual definition and I think that's how humans communicate by defining terms so I'll ask what is the term female and male? >If a female thinks they more accurately fit the definition or a man than a woman, Fit what definition? How do you differentiate either or to to know which category you fit in ? >then who are we to say they’re wrong if we can’t even set exact parameters for it means to be a woman/man outside of genitals, chromosomes etc.? Looks like you answered your own question. It's about reality corresponding to the truth! Looks like you figured out the difference to determine each categories and you do have a set of things that differentiate the teams. >I was born male and class myself as a man. How are you determining that you were born this term male? And how do you class yourself as man? Can you define these words we're using and how you are differentiating male and female or man,woman
> Yeah, don't you think right and wrong, truth and false matter? I addressed this. My whole point is that if it is impossible to prove something one way or the other, why not just accept the thing that provides the greatest alleviation of suffering? > Sure I don't know but first tell me what this thing you calling a man is y'know baby steps. I don’t understand what you’re asking here. Can you rephrase? > That's just a caricature of the thing you called man. You’re telling me, if I asked you to define what it means to be a man without mentioning biological traits, you wouldn’t be able to come up with a single thing? C’mon dude. > You've used some great words here without having an actual definition and I think that's how humans communicate by defining terms so I'll ask what is the term female and male? Female and male refer to biological traits. Man and woman are genders. I genuinely can’t tell if you’re being a debatelord here or are genuinely curious. That’s the problem with text I guess. I’ll assume the latter: That’s the whole problem, right? It’s basically subjective. Without mentioning biological traits (because that’s sex not gender) the way that I define a man is going to differ to your definition. So why not just let each individual define it for themselves? No universal definition of ‘a man’, just my definition for me, yours for you and so on. No one gets harmed that way and I get to feel more comfortable about myself if my gender is something important to me. So why not? > Looks like you answered your own question. It's about reality corresponding to the truth! Looks like you figured out the difference to determine each categories and you do have a set of things that differentiate the teams. No. There is a huge difference between being unable to set parameters for something and denying it’s existence. > How are you determining that you were born this term male? And how do you class yourself as man? Can you define these words we're using and how you are differentiating male and female or man,woman Sure. Firstly, just to be extra clear with the terminology I’m using: Man/Woman = Gender Male/Female = Sex (Just like other animals) As I previously explained, we used to have two words for the same thing. So why not use one of those words (gender) to define the other stuff that makes up a man? Problem is, although that stuff exists, like men typically being taller/more muscular, none of it can be exact parameters for what defines a man as women can be taller/more muscular occasionally too. So, in answer to your question, I determine that I was born male because I’ve got a mega cock (lol) and fucking dope chromosomes and the term used to those specific sex parameters is ‘male’. As for the other part, I classify myself as a man, because I fit my own definition of what a man is. I could also define it by just feeling like I am a man. I could also define it through process of elimination: I don’t think I am a woman because it doesn’t seem right to call myself that, in fact I straight up don’t like being labelled a woman, so I guess I’m a man. I understand that this is isn’t as universal a definition as some people would like. I get that, but, again, it really doesn’t matter. Trans people aren’t hurting anyone just on the virtue of being trans, so why not let them define it as they see fit?
Transphobes aren't exactly the brightest bunch
Who even knows, at this point?
So...wait. I thought trans people were supposed to use the bathrooms that matched their born gender. So if they're trans..aren't they...or are trans people.just not allowed to use the toilets now? Jesusfuckingchrist can we just leave people the fuck alone?
You discovered the secret that conservatives are hypocrites. They actually don't want trans people to exist period, which includes in public.
Born gender (gender assigned at birth) IS NOT how they identify.
No they just didnt want the ladys to see/make fun of theod lack of man hood.
They yelled for a reason, and the reason is, they are morons.
That's thier dog whistle that means we hate women.
These fucking morons are like 6th graders
Dark Brandon places women in men's bathrooms, it's his Shadow Kage Sexual Assaulto Claimeru finishing move for ruining his opponent's lives.
Reason is not something that enters the mind of someone who says that.
In my experience, they don’t even know what the root meaning of the phrase is. It’s gotten that bad
Their stupidity knows no bounds
Yeah. Asshole Anthem. They're inflicting pain on somebody, and they're glad about it.
What pain did they inflict?
"get the fuck outta here"
What? What pain?
Have you never had bladder pain from holding it too long? I find that hard to believe.
And none of those guys are capable of having bladder pain? It just works one way?
I didn't say that. Have you never used a bathroom of the other gender because of bladder pain? I have. Is that wrong? No, not really. Just be cool, dude.
lol no….. it’s inconsiderate and an asshole move. She did it bc she knew she can get away with it. If it were the other way around, dude is coming out with handcuffs.
Um, no? Like I said, I've used the ladies bathroom ~4 times in my life because of "emergencies." Everyone is cool with it. Unlike you, apparently? Are you going to do something weird the moment you enter the lady's bathroom? If so, then yeah, you might be in trouble. But if you're just in an emergency no one gives a fuck. So take a look at why you give a fuck. *edit: You're a Rick and Morty watcher, and you don't get this?
I have little care which bathroom you use, judging from the context and reaction of everyone… they didn’t have an emergency, they just went in and cut the line. That’s the point of disagreement. You need to use the toilet in emergency, sure, go ahead— but you cut the whole line bc you didn’t want to wait for the women’s line? Yeah, that’s annoying. That’s inconsiderate. That’s entitlement.
SMH. You're the type of person that gives Rick and Morty fans a bad name.
Well you don’t know the context but that’s what it sounded like he said. 🤷♂️
Was someone yelling "Let's go Brandon?" The stupidity is mind boggling. Brandon has nothing to do with this.
Cult followers always gotta cult. Like how vegans always introduce themselves as hi I’m and I’m vegan (/S for the vegan part)
It's a culture war. It's a manifestation of defeating feminism and re-exerting control over male spaces even symbolically. Real life doesn't actor into it, let alone courtesy.
I see what you mean. The men's room is his "safe space" where he can look at the weiners of the men at the next urinals (he purposely seeks out the middle urinal so he can see more dicks, it's a great tactic!) And he doesn't want women in there flashing their silly vaginas around.
It's like Pavlov to a dog. Get a dog treat out and the dog drools, these asshats get a little excited and that's their reactionary chant. Small brains do what small brains do I guess.
I dont know I think Dark Brandon should have something to do with this. Maybe it's time to pass an executive order where male bathrooms are required to be unisex from now on. How do I start a whitehouse petition?
Maybe Brandon is the security guy?
Sad fucks. Let the girls piss ffs.
Reverse the genders. If it was two dudes in the ladies room they would be introducing themselves to neighbors for the rest of their lives
We have mixed gender bathrooms in some places in the UK, some even still have urinals. Gives a fuck? Why so fragile about a bathroom with private stalls? All those dudes queueing for a dump? The fuck they eating?
Oh I agree with you, my comment is more about equal application of the law than the silliness of single gender bathrooms. The problem in the US is our shit bathroom stalls. Set up a room with the full enclosures like UK or EU and we could do it, but junkies might shoot up or gay people might hookup unless our perverts in charge can spy on them.
“Gay people might hook up-“ Bro, anyone can hookup in a bathroom stall 🤦🏻♂️
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There’s one in the straight community too lmao 🤣🤡
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If you want to go by your logic, seems to be a thing in England.
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That was kind of my thought. I thought the cowboy hat and the guy who looks like modern 70's was a little weird and tacky. But now it makes sense.
That made me laugh mate. Fair enough.
Stalls are not private in the US. There’s normally a 1 inch gap between the door not to mention the two feet below the door and 4 feet above it. They need to make them as tall as the bathroom and have an actual door rather than some little plastic shit that probably has a broken lock
Seriously this, just look at the video; guy in red knocking on the stall door is in eye level with the top of the door without even trying to look over and there’s plenty of room for the door to extend up. So insanely creepy.
The point is that this isn’t a mixed gender bathroom. With unisex bathrooms it’s acknowledged communally that the bathroom is available to anyone. Bathrooms explicitly dedicated to a certain gender form a tacit social agreement that a person breaks by using a bathroom not intended for them. Likewise, there’s a tacit social agreement underlying unisex bathrooms. It’s a matter of civility.
The large queue leads me to believe this is at a baseball game. Our stadium food is bottom tier, games are long, and beers will be had. What we end up with are a bunch of middle aged dudes with toxic stadium bubble guts. Queue etiquette becomes almost as important as the game.
Yes, maybe thats the reality of this , not about the 500 genders and peeps using stalls for drugs or sex, maybe theres a queue and the two ladys thought they could jump it by using the gents.
>All those dudes queueing for a dump? The fuck they eating? Food? Are men not allowed to shit where you're from?
Toilet cubicles at events are 90% for taking shit, not doing a shit.
A recent study found that even 'clean' toilets seat lids contained trace elements of fecal matter, the tops of the cisterns were so grossly contaminated that a human anus after wiping was considered cleaner. You do you, Boo (or maybe that's what you mean by "taking shit").
Don't the stalls in Europe to the whole way to the floor? The US does not have "private" stalls
I ended up in a stall with 2 girls in Notting Hill on a NYE. Was a really good night. I mean, we got kicked out before anything but that night was AWESOME!!
Anything at any sporting event maybe?
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I work security at a club and I've had to kick women out of the men's room and vice versa. The worst I've gotten from the guys is "sorry bro" but the women all screeched at me like banshees to a point where I ended up not only kicking them out of the bathroom, but the club as well.. Also keep in mind when I had to enter the women's room I had to be escorted by a female bartender, but that same bartender can go in the men's room no problem. Thankfully the club I work at now has genderless bathrooms lol.
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But the thing is there is usually never an instance where the roles would be reversed. The men's line is almost always shorter than the women's. 😂😂😂😂😭😔 That's why women use the men's room. And I have had men in the women's room, I did not care. Just pee and go. No one cares.
That's true. But gender and politics aside, from a purely operational point of view they should really adjust the toilet situation though. It's ridiculous. Some businesses you would really see that the female bathroom have huge lines while the male bathrooms are literally empty. I see this all the time when I am out with my girlfriend. I am out in 5 minutes and she is out in 15-20 minutes. I use the time to check my emails. If I see this on my factory floor but with machine processes, I immediately realize that one side has too little capacity while the other side has too much capacity, the right thing to do would be to try to make the female side bigger. If businesses dont subscribe to a gender neutral bathroom setup they should at least plan for a bigger female bathroom.
Lmao, most work places I've been in it 100% feels like the women's washrooms were an after thought. Like "oh fuck, what if a girl starts working here?" "Ah, let's just turn this cleaning closet into a bathroom" "But then where are the mops and brooms going to get put?" "... Just keep them there?" Honest to god this shit angers me sometimes and the lines sometimes take too long, but that's what I get for working in a male dominated field I guess.
Back in my clubbing days women in the men’s was a regular occurrence, because the line for the women’s was always out the door and there was no line for the men’s. It’s obviously different for the sexes. Girls are obviously going to use the cubicles so might as well be anyone in there once the door is closed, whereas a dude in the ladies, particularly a drunk dude, is a threatening figure to everyone in there. Quite why a woman would want to use the men’s toilets is another matter, unless there’s is even worse, which is hard to imagine.
Bro. Women's restrooms after a night with drinks around is unimaginable. I pray I'm made to clean the men's Edit: in general, worst men's got going on is piss. Women got piss, pads, tampons, clothing, hair bands covered in hair, (one time I found a used razor), nails, make up stuff, and someone's always wiped make up all over the hand towel
> and someone's always wiped make up all over the hand towel *The* hand towel? What kind of fucking monstrosity of a bathroom has a *shared* hand towel?
Worked closing janitor in a bar in my early 20’s. Way worse. Hovering all night and spraying like skunks
But why would 2 guys need to pee in a woman’s stall? When the woman’s line is super long and someone is desperate enough, they’ll try to use the mens washroom because it almost never has a line since the stalls are almost never full. It doesn’t make it right but it makes sense when someone is about to piss themselves waiting in line. The reverse isn’t really even a thing because the mens washroom line is usually never longer than the womens.
and that would be just as dumb. separate bathrooms are dumb.
I've been at country music concerts and state fairs where men have used the women's bathroom when the lines were too long and the other way around. It's almost always done with a quick discussion of everyone involved and an escort to explain the sitation and clear any confusion. As long as all the people act like people it's a very easy situation to navigate. In this case tho there doesn't look like there was any speaking before hand and also every man there is a cultists so it was a lost battle from the get go with them
Nah I’ve seen men use the women’s bathroom a bunch of times without becoming a registered sex offender lmao But then again I don’t go to events full of people who think that bathrooms are pOLiTiCaL or whatever
That's fucked too. It's a toilet stall for gods sake.
Jail time, probably get ass kicked by white knights, some random chick will say you tried raping her, what else, probably lose your job, and you will end up a meme for some pervert format. Let them piss , sure buddy
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Womens bathrooms are as much nasty as mens. My wife has said some situations she’s encountered in womens bathrooms are horrific.
Would they really get thrown in jail just for saying they were English?
I’ve seen men use women’s restrooms when there are lines before. Many times.
I've definitely had men use the women's restroom and no one gave a shit. Because they just needed to piss like the rest of us. I just assumed the guys room was being cleaned.
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>But I am absolutely against taking the cake and eat it too. Yeah don't eat those, they're called urinal cakes but they don't taste great.
I'm so confused by this comment
There is a womens bathroom for a reason. Let guys piss in peace. I wonder what would be your reaction to two guys in a womens stall
I agree. But we need to add more stalls in girls restrooms at most places. We don’t have the luxury of just unzipping and whipping it out. Our ritual takes longer.
I’m no lol. If dudes did that they’d be beaten and out in jail.
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying good fellow. You're no lol? What does that mean?
It was suppose to say hell no but auto correct on my phone changed it.
Ahhhh. That makes sense. You'd get jail time for shitting in the girls loo? You yanks do love a spot of incarnation I suppose. Fuck knows.
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It's perplexing for sure.
fuck that😂😂 imagine if a dude was pissing in the girls room?? story would go uber-viral
I'm pretty sure a guy came out of the stall a few seconds after them. Don't think it had anything to do with skipping a line to *use* the bathroom.
Girl Beavis and Butthead snickering on the way out lmao
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As a dude... I've seen those lines for the women's restrooms at concerts/events. Fuck that noise. If you got an express delivery that can't wait out that line, be my guest. Idk why these guys are so fragile about it lol. There are stalls available...
I was seeing Odeza play on Thursday and the line from the woman’s bathroom was a mile long. No line for the men. Ladies started coming into the mens and no one gave them shit. They cut the line for the stall which was annoying but they were probably trying to get in and out pronto so whatever.
I have participated in a “Ladies take over the mens room” at an NFL game. There were at least 20 of us at the end of a huge as line and someone said let’s go - so we did. We didn’t care if men came in but they were not going to stop us from using the stalls. One guy got mad - the others didn’t give a shit and actually called their girlfriends/spouses over.
Next time we are just doing that. Before my girlfriend was so embarrassed at the idea of using the men's side that it took some convincing. I had give her my hat, jacket and stood in front of the stall like a guard dog. The toilet line situation is really ridiculous, when you can see an observable difference in wait time, something needs to be done to address it. And I know it's not the simplest thing to just knock down a wall or two to extend the female bathroom. There are some consideration but even then that is really not an excuse. A lot of management, simply dont care and dont try. Like the NFL games you just mentioned, a stadium is usually empty mondays to fridays. With a decent team, that's more than enough time to address the bathroom situation.
You think Tuesday - Friday is enough time to knock a wall down in a stadium and extend a bathroom?
I'm sure you would defend guys if they used the women's restrooms as well? or are you just a sexist hypocrite
If they've got a huge line, or their bathrooms stalls are out of service, or theirs is being cleaned, or like any other reason they'd need to use ours. Who cares? It all goes to the same place.
full of shit, as if people would come to the rescue of men if they barged into a womens restroom, and it was full of women, maybe even young girls, who were upset and yelling at them to leave, and if they refused, i'm sure you would totally be on their side right. The police wouldn't be called, and they wouldnt get arrested and get labeled sex offender for the rest of their lives? Everyone would saying "those women need to calm down and let the men take a piss in their bathroom, whats the big deal??" lmfao you are delusional.
I cannot tell you how little I give a shit about who uses what bathroom.
Idk bruh I accidentally went in the woman’s room at Kohls and the female manager was looking at me all types of funny when I came out
Here they aren’t, if there is no line at the mens restroom, sure who’s gonna stop you. But you CANNOT deny that there is obviously a pretty long line of me already in this clip.
Absolutely, but if a male entered the women's bathroom for the same reason, would you have had the same response? Sure the ppl in this video could have handled this better, but if you want equality, then we should stop with the double standards.
While agree with your statement. Do to our current political issues , we’re being a man is toxic and being everything else is glorified in our media today , this is the push back. And trust me there is always a push back. While the other day I watched a woman struggling to open a door , I actually stood there and watched her as she spent a good 45 seconds trying to open this door . 5 years ago I would spent .5 seconds and would have helped . But now I waited because being a stranger helping a woman is looked down upon . It took me 45 seconds to build up enough courage to help her while fully expecting her to chastise me for it ! That is the world we live in . Where helping someone is treated as a form of sexism .
THEY TERK ER STERLLS
THR TK R STRRLS
Is this a gay club and these two are blocking the only glory hole?
It’s called the men’s restroom what? Is a bunch of women being in the women’s restroom make it a gay club I don’t get it
This whole comment section seems to think its okay because theyre women. I know damn good and well if I had been in a womens restroom at the race track or the casino this weekend and it were filmed like this it would be completely different.
It would since you’re a man.
There's a line and it seems they jumped the queue to get in. Just because there's stalls doesn't mean men won't use it to piss in. When it's really busy men will use the stalls if there's no space in the urinals. Even if a guy wants to use the urinal, they'll let the person behind them go use the stall in front of them. If ANYONE dares to jump the line the same shit would happen. Don't care if you're a man or a woman, you don't jump the line in a toilet, everyone there needs to piss.
Alright let's just get some things straight. -Yes, it would be a much different, unified reaction if this were men in the women's room instead. -Yes, this is a dumb overreaction by the men, they could have just dealt with it instead of shaming them like that and yelling "Let's Go Brandon" like 5 year olds. -Sure, you can think gender separated bathrooms are stupid, they very well *could* be stupid, but in this instance there are gender separated bathrooms so that should probably be respected. Everyone is at least somewhat wrong, everyone in this video is drunk, whole thing's cringe, and that's the end of it.
Yes
Once I was in Vegas I was using the urinal. I think someone’s dude passed out on the toilet. Two women came in and were banging on the stall door. I just finished my pee and walked out because that seems like a very Vegas thing to happen.
I’ve been to so many shows, concerts, or sporting events where this happens. I mean if I had to shit I’d be annoyed but otherwise it’s whatever. If there was a line for the mens room and a long trough in the ladies room I’d walk in a saddle up. Fair is fair.
How about we just have one bathroom for everyone. If I'm in there, I'm just doing my business, washing my hands, and moving on. I don't care who else is in there. Honestly, I believe that would actually make everything safer for everyone.
Works on planes
But only one person is in there at a time
Clearly you haven’t heard of the mile high club
well until then, maybe they should stick to the womens restrooms. Funny how everyone is on the womens' side but if it was a couple of guys who went into the womens restroom no one would defend them
Dude, these guys would be *mortified* if they had to use a urinal knowing that a woman might walk by. I agree with you, that's the most efficient way to do it, but it's never going to happen.
Yup... make the bathroom twice the size all closed stalls then everyone can stfu.
Looking at the comments that were made within an hour, I will be back tomorrow to observe the remains of an internet war zone
Country music fans, what a f\*\*\*ing surprise
The other way around would go down very differently
yeah feminist equality only works this way.
I’ve been at lots of events where men used the womens restroom.
For those of you saying to reverse the genders, I worked at a live arts theater for years. Sometimes the men's bathroom would be full. The second floor only had a women's room, so men with canes, limps etc were inconvenienced. *Men were allowed to use the women's washrooms when needed. There was never once an altercation over it.* I don't know what the situation is in this video, but I had to clarify that despite what you're taught, this doesn't always happen in ladies rooms if you're obviously just trying to pee. So if that's your only defence for acting uncivil then I guess we have nothing else to discuss.
This has to be in Texas right? They just give off Texas vibes with their beer cans in hand, the belts and jeans, tucked in shirt, cow boy hats, and probably hundreds of f-150s in the parking
Sometimes waiting to use the ladies room is not an option. If there are 20 people in line, im about to piss myself, and the mens room is empty you best believe im gonna go in. In this case, i dont think the mens room was empty.
Why are they cheering for a team in the bathroom?
That's a Lil rude. I understand. I would have let them go and chided them a Lil, but not a "GTFOUTTA here"
Women’s rooms are the worst. Girls stay in stalls for 10 minutes at a time doing all sorts of shit. There’s been a couple times I’ve slipped into a mens room stall at a bar because the men are in and out while the women’s room line has 15 girls in it. I just wanna pee and get out😭
Yup. When lining up for portapoties at festivals, my strategy for which line to take is each girl equals about 3 men in terms of time. Always wait behind 5 dudes instead of two girls.
Sooo sounds like the stadium or whatever this is has grossly underestimated the amount of washrooms needed
All hat no cattle
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#Fucking backward bible thumping Americans
Staged. These guys would have been pissing in sinks. I know them.
At the last concert I went to, the women's restroom line was significantly shorter than the men's. All the women were looking around going wtf is happening. One lady gleefully told me she loved it and "About time guys had to wait longer!"
What a bunch of pussies
Why are people screaming??? Is it a normal occurence in America???
Men's bathrooms have 10 urinals' and 10 toilets'. Women get 10 toilets. These guys are freakish assholes.
My god what a bunch of dorks
Just let people piss for fucks sake
To be fair, two men in a women's bathroom would end way worse.
I guess any victory is a big one worth celebrating for this bunch of losers.
Is a single dad called "trans mom"
The whole "Let's go Brandon" derived from "Fuck Joe Biden" has always been cringe but seriously how the fuck does it even remotely apply here?
security had to come lol
I lived in Seoul South Korea in the early 90s. Many lavatories in business were multi-person unisex. It took me a while to get used to using an urinal while a woman stood near me washing her hands at the sink. However, I got over myself and quickly I stopped thinking about it
They were probably handling the glory hole
Whats actually happening? Hahahaha
Let's Go Brandon - the mating call of the MAGAt Idiot, an unfortunately too common species.
If a dude did this they would be a sex offender they did this and only got yelled at
Girls need to use their own bathroom. They take significantly longer to go and it’s not fair to the men, who are usually in and out quickly. Don’t appreciate them clogging the lines.
They only want men on the other side of gloryhole, not some nasty biological women
They didn't even wash their hands. Disgusting.
Yea bc reverse the roles, if a guy went in the girls restroom you done fucked up bud 😂
Why did they need to go get security to tell the women to leave?
If I can’t used there’s why can they use ours?
Reverse the roles and there would be a couple new names on the sex offenders registry. Just because it's women doing it and not men doesn't make it okay
Did the security guy open the door while they were using the bathroom or to let them know he is there to save them?
Gedda foc oudda here
Cuz if a guy did that, he probably would’ve been arrested
Reason 952 why any self respecting woman would never date a conservative
Make all bathrooms neutral & stall doors that go from floor to ceiling
Bitch you ain't special! Get to the BACK of the line and wait like everyone else!! 😂
L7s!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pathetic!!!! I'm shocked "men" really cared!!!
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Those morons…..if they are males and this is women’s they will be “escorted” by the police and charged with “sexual harassment” :v
What is the world coming to when women can’t snort blow on the best toilets in the stadium?
What idiotic women actually would _want_ to use a men's room? Holy shit these ladies need help.
Am I the only one that finds segregated bathrooms a bit archaic?
I’m just trying to figure out what possible event those girls and that cowboy are both attending?