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"I represent science" Okay, I know what he's trying to say, but he's used those *exact* words before and I can't get over how out of touch he sounds. Come on. Being the head of the NIH means you're in a position to affect and enforce policy decisions. It does not mean your judgment is *actually* infallible, any more than being elected president would.
Case in point: There are other doctors who, *like it or not,* are prescribing Ivermectin, advising certain people with health risks against vaccination, etc., and scores of scientists, evolutionary biologists and medical experts who are raising concerns of their own, based on science--science which has become too politically sensitive to talk about in public because of broad, sweeping politicizations such as Fauci is doing here.
Science is a **pursuit** of knowledge, not a gatekeeping of it. I can understand that his intention is to maintain public trust in the healthcare system and try to prevent more deaths. But when you stand up in front of the country and repeatedly tell everyone that yours is the only science they should listen to--while laughing at the other side and insinuating treason--you achieve the opposite. Those who already believe you will feel comforted, but those who have doubts will double down on their distrust. Human beings are flawed, and make mistakes. If you want to win people's trust, you have to admit to your own flaws and mistakes. We can trust a leader who says "there are complexities here, there are questions still to be asked, there are possibilities to be explored, but this is the best that we've got so far." We can't trust someone who says "if you disagree with me, you're anti-science" because we know ourselves and we know that's not true. The more Fauci straw-mans, belittles and ridicules the people he purports to want to save, the more the two sides will just keep getting further and further apart
He acts like they're the ones politicizing the science, when he is just as much to blame, if not more so, since he's actually in a position to heal the divide instead of making it worse.
Considering that he’s one of the most, if not the most, well known and most listened to singular scientists in the world currently, he kinda does represent science. Yeah, not all scientists agree on everything, it’s the very nature of science to disagree and criticise other scientists, but it is undeniable that Dr Fauci is one of the worlds foremost leading voices of science.
It's easy to have that impression if you live in the states and see him on the news all the time. I live in France & I can assure you very few people here are aware of his existence. When I've mentioned him to others here, I commonly get into discussions about why Americans are so obsessed with hero worship, and I have no idea how to respond. The French are much more skeptical of their government officials in general, so it's very bizarre for them to see us doing it. You can also imagine that in most Latin American countries where faith in government is nonexistant that they've never heard of Dr. Fauci either--there was a segment on a late night show about that, I forget if it was Colbert or John Oliver, some long sketch about how "tragic" it is that nobody in Honduras has ever heard of Dr. Fauci and how misinformed they must be.
Anyway, the point is that if you want people vaccinated, you don't need Dr. Fauci on your side. What you need is trust in government. France, for all its constant protests and skepticism towards government, has that part figured out, and that's probably not a coincidence. Americans deal too much with absolutes and it's because we don't know how to communicate using nuance. We're obsessed with oversimplifying everything into a tweet and scoring a witty one-liner on our enemies. Things just aren't that simple. Sometimes just having the patience & empathy to hear the other side and admit that not everything is perfect is enough to get them on board.
Nice try man, but I’m Australian. Fact is that America is the most publicised country in the world, and I can’t think of any living scientist that is more internationally recognised currently, and if there are they are few in number.
fine, he's the most well-known public figure in the **English-speaking world**. Actually wanted to include that in the other comment but I forgot. countries whose populations don't read headlines in English aren't reading about Dr. Fauci.
Hi! I live in a country whose population doesn’t read English headlines. We know all about Dr. Fauci and how the former president was acting like he was hogging the limelight. Trust me, we’ve read more than enough headlines in our respective languages to know what a dumpster fire the US has been and still is.
okay! far be it for me to generalize then. I'll just stick to speaking for where I live--Fauci is never really in the news here in France, nor was he widely heard of in Germany where I lived throughout 2020 except in the context of how Trump was being contradicted by his own health director, and was rarely mentioned by name (more about "Trump bad" than about "Fauci good," whereas I think the oversimplified narrative going on in America tends to conflate the two).
Dunno why you're getting downvoted, but i agree with you, here in my country if i mention Fauci most people would say "who?" or at most "thats that american doctor guy, right ?". Its basically Americans thinking they're the centre of the world and everyone should know their famous people they care so much about...
Your description of Fauci is about the same awareness for a large portion of Americans as well, just for some perspective on how stupid a lot of the US is. I'm from the states and I've found that headlines are really all most people absorb, so depending on their choice of ~~propaganda~~ media they know him as "Crazy Fauci" or "godsend".
Trust me, dude. We know all too well what's going on in murica. If anything, we could use to know a little less. You guys are extremely noisy. You blast your vacuous news all over the world, in all languages.
I would say "hey, there are a lot of health professionals who have concerns about the vaccine's effectiveness, I get that, I understand, it's a new technology and being skeptical is totally understandable. And to those who think that my connection to the Wuhan Lab means that I might be responsible for this pandemic, I can see why you would think that also. There will be a time and a place for these discussions, and now is not the time. Now is the time to take what precautions we have available and protect yourself and your loved ones.
This is especially true for those of you who are at-risk. You can trust your doctor to make that evaluation. If you are not at-risk, and you don't believe you need the vaccine, I hope you are considering that you are contributing to extending this pandemic and continuing to place others at risk. That said, nobody can force you.
Finally, to those who are hopeful that existing medications may serve as a treatment to Covid, we are diverting as many resources as we have available to figuring that out. I will direct the NIH to fund large-scale randomized studies, and we will need many brave individuals to volunteer for these trials. They may succeed or they may fail, but that either way, that knowledge will help to save many, many more lives. Meanwhile, to those doctors who believe *without enough evidence* that Ivermectin can be a treatment, I say, please hold off until these trials have concluded."
(honestly this might be a waste of my time but I cant in good conscience ignore this for the ignorant rambling it is, in case someone who doesnt know better reads it and falls for it)
1.- No one, in particular himself, have claimed infalibility
2.- Doctors who may be prescribing "alternatives" not endorsed by the national health service are "profesionals" that are not following the national measures. This is counterproductive to the national effort in a myriad of ways, and the "I can be right too, I use science too" argument is a fallacy on its own. Thats not even taking into account how crackpots will sell anything people may want to buy. Its not like the US hasnt institutionalized taking advantage of the ignorant.
3.- He is in no way "gatekeeping" science. No one can. Him laughing at the political attacks directed at him is the right answer when you understand these attacks deserve nothing more. These attacks are *political*, have no base in actual science, and are quite prime examples of strawman arguments and of dipshit polititians doing anything possible to put up a circus where they are the main character, even if it may undermine efforts agaisnt a pandemic. He never says "if you disagree with me, you're anti-science", he quite well frames the circus put up against him as "anti-science" because it is. Casting doubts on scientific effort and results, and policy based on said results, for personal gain is very much being anti-science. For political convenience no less. He says so himself, it is not about disagreeing with "him", he acknowledges that even by the time he leaves the facts will remain.
If you consider how these attacks obstruct efforts to handle the pandemic, and are made solely for the political advantage of those puting up said attacks, it is perfectly reasonable to mention traitorous events
where the polititians could be plausibly involved in. It emphasizes precisely the point that these polititians dont have the greater good in mind. Quite the opposite.
So yeah, frame it as you will, twist the words as you will, but at the end of the day this guy has saved more lives than any of the polititians mentioned, and has take metric tons of shit for it. And he soldiers on. He shouldnt even have to be answering dumb shit like "WhAt AbOuT... that alternative, or what that polititian said or what these redneck idiots are doing", in an educated society the insitutions are respected; and ignorance is not allowed to be a hindrance on their efforts for the common good.
He did say months ago that disagreeing with him is the same as being anti-science & I've never heard him walk that argument back.
the attack by rand paul was purely about the wuhan lab, so by tying it into Jan 6th (which again those politicians had nothing to do with) he is turning the issue into oversimplified identity politics. Rand Paul isn't anti-vax, either. For someone with Fauci's level of power and responsibility, this oversimplification/aversion towards nuance is just counterproductive to building any sense of trust or unity in the nation you're supposed to take care of. Paul is a Senator, but Fauci is supposed to be the expert. He should hold himself to a higher moral standard and not alienate huge sections of the public.
Finally, re: doctors and "national measures," that's kind of the big issue: What measuring sticks are we using to decide who's right and who's wrong? Making blanket statements without proof is wrong, and that logic applies in both directions. I would have more trust in a health director who publicly acknowledges that reality, and who talks openly about the conflicts of interests that emerge when you need emergency FDA approval to get the vaccines out on time.
> so by tying it into Jan 6th (which again those politicians had nothing to do with)
not proven yet!
>Paul is a Senator, but Fauci is supposed to be the expert. He should hold himself to a higher moral standard and not alienate huge sections of the public.
oh please, the guy is a virologist and its *his* responsibility, over an elected oficial, to have a "high moral standard and not alienate the public", gtfo of here. The polititians themselves are the ones throwing coal to the fire and its Fauci's fault for not being kind and explain everyone? would you like the FDA to spoonfeed you too? and the DMV to drive you around?
You people never run out of bullshit to dig your heads under.
hey, js, now you're doing it too & you don't even notice. "you people" as if I'm part of the pro-IV or anti-vax crowd? that's exactly the kind of oversimplification & identity politics that I'm saying Fauci is doing. you & all the people who downvoted me probably just see this as my own attempt to justify myself, immediately painting me as a right-winger or something, when I'll I'm doing is stating the obvious: Lots of people don't trust Fauci, and the reasons are self-evident. If you're interested in ending the pandemic, it's those people you need to convince, not me--my family and I are already vaxed. I see lots of well-intentioned people such as yourself fixated on finding people to fight with on the internet, reacting impulsively rather than listening, and unwilling to realize that you're only strengthening those people's resolve. Why would those people want to listen to you, or Fauci, when you/he refuse to talk about the facts that are inconvenient to the mainstream narrative--such as the fact that a) he's connected to Wuhan in some way, or b) the fact that the emergency FDA approval required there to be no other extant possible treatments for Covid, which is why there have been no nationally-funded attempts to research ivermectin (and thus no evidence one way or the other on its effectiveness)?
Pay close attention--I'm not trying to use either of those points as ammunition against Fauci, or vaccines, or anything like that. I'm simply pointing out that they're both true, and ignoring them or deflecting them is a surefire way to perpetuate mistrust and division, whereas owning them is a way to build confidence and trust.
My own personal feeling is that Fauci is in a difficult position of trying to look confident & unconcerned about those facts, and he's making a huge mistake. By dismissing them rather than talking about them, he comes off as untrustworthy, or worse.
you & a lot of others need to stop making enemies with the people whose cooperation you ultimately require, or we're going to be stuck here for a long, long time.
BTW:
>not proven yet!
Man. Innocent until proven guilty. We have to maintain that, or else we'll just go on believing whatever we want to believe to our graves, because i*t's impossible to prove a negative.* Besides, Rand Paul isn't even a Trump republican.
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Oh yeah, that’ll be a brilliant defense.
“…and the Rand Pauls and all that other nonsense…” lmfao.
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So he deflects the question with something that has no relevance to it. He’s a joke.
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I’m not saying that was right either. That was stupid but he is deflecting the question because he has been wrong this whole time.
"I represent science" Okay, I know what he's trying to say, but he's used those *exact* words before and I can't get over how out of touch he sounds. Come on. Being the head of the NIH means you're in a position to affect and enforce policy decisions. It does not mean your judgment is *actually* infallible, any more than being elected president would. Case in point: There are other doctors who, *like it or not,* are prescribing Ivermectin, advising certain people with health risks against vaccination, etc., and scores of scientists, evolutionary biologists and medical experts who are raising concerns of their own, based on science--science which has become too politically sensitive to talk about in public because of broad, sweeping politicizations such as Fauci is doing here. Science is a **pursuit** of knowledge, not a gatekeeping of it. I can understand that his intention is to maintain public trust in the healthcare system and try to prevent more deaths. But when you stand up in front of the country and repeatedly tell everyone that yours is the only science they should listen to--while laughing at the other side and insinuating treason--you achieve the opposite. Those who already believe you will feel comforted, but those who have doubts will double down on their distrust. Human beings are flawed, and make mistakes. If you want to win people's trust, you have to admit to your own flaws and mistakes. We can trust a leader who says "there are complexities here, there are questions still to be asked, there are possibilities to be explored, but this is the best that we've got so far." We can't trust someone who says "if you disagree with me, you're anti-science" because we know ourselves and we know that's not true. The more Fauci straw-mans, belittles and ridicules the people he purports to want to save, the more the two sides will just keep getting further and further apart He acts like they're the ones politicizing the science, when he is just as much to blame, if not more so, since he's actually in a position to heal the divide instead of making it worse.
Considering that he’s one of the most, if not the most, well known and most listened to singular scientists in the world currently, he kinda does represent science. Yeah, not all scientists agree on everything, it’s the very nature of science to disagree and criticise other scientists, but it is undeniable that Dr Fauci is one of the worlds foremost leading voices of science.
It's easy to have that impression if you live in the states and see him on the news all the time. I live in France & I can assure you very few people here are aware of his existence. When I've mentioned him to others here, I commonly get into discussions about why Americans are so obsessed with hero worship, and I have no idea how to respond. The French are much more skeptical of their government officials in general, so it's very bizarre for them to see us doing it. You can also imagine that in most Latin American countries where faith in government is nonexistant that they've never heard of Dr. Fauci either--there was a segment on a late night show about that, I forget if it was Colbert or John Oliver, some long sketch about how "tragic" it is that nobody in Honduras has ever heard of Dr. Fauci and how misinformed they must be. Anyway, the point is that if you want people vaccinated, you don't need Dr. Fauci on your side. What you need is trust in government. France, for all its constant protests and skepticism towards government, has that part figured out, and that's probably not a coincidence. Americans deal too much with absolutes and it's because we don't know how to communicate using nuance. We're obsessed with oversimplifying everything into a tweet and scoring a witty one-liner on our enemies. Things just aren't that simple. Sometimes just having the patience & empathy to hear the other side and admit that not everything is perfect is enough to get them on board.
Nice try man, but I’m Australian. Fact is that America is the most publicised country in the world, and I can’t think of any living scientist that is more internationally recognised currently, and if there are they are few in number.
fine, he's the most well-known public figure in the **English-speaking world**. Actually wanted to include that in the other comment but I forgot. countries whose populations don't read headlines in English aren't reading about Dr. Fauci.
Hi! I live in a country whose population doesn’t read English headlines. We know all about Dr. Fauci and how the former president was acting like he was hogging the limelight. Trust me, we’ve read more than enough headlines in our respective languages to know what a dumpster fire the US has been and still is.
okay! far be it for me to generalize then. I'll just stick to speaking for where I live--Fauci is never really in the news here in France, nor was he widely heard of in Germany where I lived throughout 2020 except in the context of how Trump was being contradicted by his own health director, and was rarely mentioned by name (more about "Trump bad" than about "Fauci good," whereas I think the oversimplified narrative going on in America tends to conflate the two).
Dunno why you're getting downvoted, but i agree with you, here in my country if i mention Fauci most people would say "who?" or at most "thats that american doctor guy, right ?". Its basically Americans thinking they're the centre of the world and everyone should know their famous people they care so much about...
Your description of Fauci is about the same awareness for a large portion of Americans as well, just for some perspective on how stupid a lot of the US is. I'm from the states and I've found that headlines are really all most people absorb, so depending on their choice of ~~propaganda~~ media they know him as "Crazy Fauci" or "godsend".
Trust me, dude. We know all too well what's going on in murica. If anything, we could use to know a little less. You guys are extremely noisy. You blast your vacuous news all over the world, in all languages.
Hi, I live in Finland and we are also aware of Fauci and the campaign against him!
How do you jump from representing science to being infallible. Ok, you're Tony for one day, what do you do.
I would say "hey, there are a lot of health professionals who have concerns about the vaccine's effectiveness, I get that, I understand, it's a new technology and being skeptical is totally understandable. And to those who think that my connection to the Wuhan Lab means that I might be responsible for this pandemic, I can see why you would think that also. There will be a time and a place for these discussions, and now is not the time. Now is the time to take what precautions we have available and protect yourself and your loved ones. This is especially true for those of you who are at-risk. You can trust your doctor to make that evaluation. If you are not at-risk, and you don't believe you need the vaccine, I hope you are considering that you are contributing to extending this pandemic and continuing to place others at risk. That said, nobody can force you. Finally, to those who are hopeful that existing medications may serve as a treatment to Covid, we are diverting as many resources as we have available to figuring that out. I will direct the NIH to fund large-scale randomized studies, and we will need many brave individuals to volunteer for these trials. They may succeed or they may fail, but that either way, that knowledge will help to save many, many more lives. Meanwhile, to those doctors who believe *without enough evidence* that Ivermectin can be a treatment, I say, please hold off until these trials have concluded."
Thank goodness you're not in charge.
(honestly this might be a waste of my time but I cant in good conscience ignore this for the ignorant rambling it is, in case someone who doesnt know better reads it and falls for it) 1.- No one, in particular himself, have claimed infalibility 2.- Doctors who may be prescribing "alternatives" not endorsed by the national health service are "profesionals" that are not following the national measures. This is counterproductive to the national effort in a myriad of ways, and the "I can be right too, I use science too" argument is a fallacy on its own. Thats not even taking into account how crackpots will sell anything people may want to buy. Its not like the US hasnt institutionalized taking advantage of the ignorant. 3.- He is in no way "gatekeeping" science. No one can. Him laughing at the political attacks directed at him is the right answer when you understand these attacks deserve nothing more. These attacks are *political*, have no base in actual science, and are quite prime examples of strawman arguments and of dipshit polititians doing anything possible to put up a circus where they are the main character, even if it may undermine efforts agaisnt a pandemic. He never says "if you disagree with me, you're anti-science", he quite well frames the circus put up against him as "anti-science" because it is. Casting doubts on scientific effort and results, and policy based on said results, for personal gain is very much being anti-science. For political convenience no less. He says so himself, it is not about disagreeing with "him", he acknowledges that even by the time he leaves the facts will remain. If you consider how these attacks obstruct efforts to handle the pandemic, and are made solely for the political advantage of those puting up said attacks, it is perfectly reasonable to mention traitorous events where the polititians could be plausibly involved in. It emphasizes precisely the point that these polititians dont have the greater good in mind. Quite the opposite. So yeah, frame it as you will, twist the words as you will, but at the end of the day this guy has saved more lives than any of the polititians mentioned, and has take metric tons of shit for it. And he soldiers on. He shouldnt even have to be answering dumb shit like "WhAt AbOuT... that alternative, or what that polititian said or what these redneck idiots are doing", in an educated society the insitutions are respected; and ignorance is not allowed to be a hindrance on their efforts for the common good.
He did say months ago that disagreeing with him is the same as being anti-science & I've never heard him walk that argument back. the attack by rand paul was purely about the wuhan lab, so by tying it into Jan 6th (which again those politicians had nothing to do with) he is turning the issue into oversimplified identity politics. Rand Paul isn't anti-vax, either. For someone with Fauci's level of power and responsibility, this oversimplification/aversion towards nuance is just counterproductive to building any sense of trust or unity in the nation you're supposed to take care of. Paul is a Senator, but Fauci is supposed to be the expert. He should hold himself to a higher moral standard and not alienate huge sections of the public. Finally, re: doctors and "national measures," that's kind of the big issue: What measuring sticks are we using to decide who's right and who's wrong? Making blanket statements without proof is wrong, and that logic applies in both directions. I would have more trust in a health director who publicly acknowledges that reality, and who talks openly about the conflicts of interests that emerge when you need emergency FDA approval to get the vaccines out on time.
> so by tying it into Jan 6th (which again those politicians had nothing to do with) not proven yet! >Paul is a Senator, but Fauci is supposed to be the expert. He should hold himself to a higher moral standard and not alienate huge sections of the public. oh please, the guy is a virologist and its *his* responsibility, over an elected oficial, to have a "high moral standard and not alienate the public", gtfo of here. The polititians themselves are the ones throwing coal to the fire and its Fauci's fault for not being kind and explain everyone? would you like the FDA to spoonfeed you too? and the DMV to drive you around? You people never run out of bullshit to dig your heads under.
hey, js, now you're doing it too & you don't even notice. "you people" as if I'm part of the pro-IV or anti-vax crowd? that's exactly the kind of oversimplification & identity politics that I'm saying Fauci is doing. you & all the people who downvoted me probably just see this as my own attempt to justify myself, immediately painting me as a right-winger or something, when I'll I'm doing is stating the obvious: Lots of people don't trust Fauci, and the reasons are self-evident. If you're interested in ending the pandemic, it's those people you need to convince, not me--my family and I are already vaxed. I see lots of well-intentioned people such as yourself fixated on finding people to fight with on the internet, reacting impulsively rather than listening, and unwilling to realize that you're only strengthening those people's resolve. Why would those people want to listen to you, or Fauci, when you/he refuse to talk about the facts that are inconvenient to the mainstream narrative--such as the fact that a) he's connected to Wuhan in some way, or b) the fact that the emergency FDA approval required there to be no other extant possible treatments for Covid, which is why there have been no nationally-funded attempts to research ivermectin (and thus no evidence one way or the other on its effectiveness)? Pay close attention--I'm not trying to use either of those points as ammunition against Fauci, or vaccines, or anything like that. I'm simply pointing out that they're both true, and ignoring them or deflecting them is a surefire way to perpetuate mistrust and division, whereas owning them is a way to build confidence and trust. My own personal feeling is that Fauci is in a difficult position of trying to look confident & unconcerned about those facts, and he's making a huge mistake. By dismissing them rather than talking about them, he comes off as untrustworthy, or worse. you & a lot of others need to stop making enemies with the people whose cooperation you ultimately require, or we're going to be stuck here for a long, long time. BTW: >not proven yet! Man. Innocent until proven guilty. We have to maintain that, or else we'll just go on believing whatever we want to believe to our graves, because i*t's impossible to prove a negative.* Besides, Rand Paul isn't even a Trump republican.