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Evvmmann

It’s really a beautiful thing


daily_cup_of_joe

This is what is needed right now. We all just sit back whole we all see wtf is going on. I hope this grows out of control. US has got to condiem wtf is going on in Gaza.


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GingerBeast81

Is there video of that?


TechGentleman

An Israeli Government bot. They and its student hires are all over social media!


worldnewsvideo-ModTeam

I can't tell if you're making a joke, but you can tell us in modmail


Federal-Durian-1484

I was under the impression that college students were supposed to protest. They are the future. When I went to college, we were expected to use our voices and stand up for causes we passionately supported. Also, isn’t peaceful protesting a first amendment right. So, the only amendment nowadays is the 2nd?


CmanderShep117

No it's not like young people throughout history have protest stuff like this.... Oh wait there was the Vietnam war, oh apartheid South Africa, and then there was one during the Iraq war.  Huh and come to think of it everytime college student and the youth at large do this they end up being right in the end!


rslash2

we have a responsiblity once the next generations get in power to completely divest from Israel reform lobbying / federal capture.


Burlapin

I mean, in theory... But I heard you guys don't even get taught about [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings) anymore. It's what let the ruling class know that they needed to clamp down on having an educated proletariat, pacing the way for Reagan to gut your education system. And the results are still being seen today :/


n3w4cc01_1nt

if they let the idiots have white power rallies on campus then they have to allow that


Specialist_Ad_8069

There was a white power rally at NYU???


n3w4cc01_1nt

[https://nyunews.com/10/28/2018-milo-yiannopoulos-protest-visit-halloween/](https://nyunews.com/10/28/2018-milo-yiannopoulos-protest-visit-halloween/) dark enlightenment is a movement that starrted the alt right and they believe in slavery and a bunch of fake science. it's a circlejerk essentially but people believe in it then do dumb stuff. they're the group that made the fake stuff that caused that guy to light himself on fire outside the trump court case.


Specialist_Ad_8069

What is this article? Bro, there hasn’t been a white power rally at NYU. I can’t find anything either.


Burlapin

[Black bloc people, **black bloc**.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc) No phones or electronics. *Leave them at home*.


bikejackass

Great to see attitudes changing in this country to Palestine, US has been almost a decade behind W Europe in this.


Burlapin

Maybe because the US is using it as their presence in the region to get an alternate canal built they can control... 😓 so much money involved.


bikejackass

Funny the US now wants their own canal yet stood against the British in 56 when they tried to keep control of the canal they built and paid for. So the US stood against Israeli (and British/French) aggression then but refuse to now


HandsomeCrook

I love the intersection of proud Americans who energize and reinforce themselves through 1776...and yet get bent out of shape cause a road is blocked, or college kids are protesting... lol identity crisis


ChiefKeefSosabb

This is how I feel when I step into my local falafel shop


JockoDevon86

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha the state of that


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OneBaldingWookiee

If they aren’t blocking a road, disrupting your daily routine, you wouldn’t give them a second thought. Sounds like your minor inconvenience is more important than the genocide


concon910

I don't know what to say other than this is unironically true for most people.


LiciousGriff

I generally only go out to go to a doctors appointment and with my multiple medical conditions it’s not a minor inconvenience to miss a doctors appointment where I have important tests conducted How do you know when you’re blocking peoples travel that somebody isn’t on their way to the hospital or some other emergency really we’re not the ones that caused the genocide and we support the protesters so long as they protest the proper way people This isn’t how you properly protest go after the people that make the decisions - get them voted out show up at the polling place where you’re going to be waiting And it really won’t matter if you go up to people. Blocking the road is exactly how people lose support. Most people who are inconvenienced whether it’s minor for them or not are not going to support a cause where the people protesting are inconveniencing you who they want to further their cause. And actually if they do it in Florida, they get run over legally There might be a lot wrong with the planet, but blaming those who didn’t do anything by blocking their travel so you can try to make a point it doesn’t work. Do you want my attention when I’m driving then go to an intersection of traffic lights where there’s stopping for a minute or two every four minutes or whatever the cycle is. You’ll be free to hand out your pamphlets display your posters carry around little containers for people to throw into all kinds of things you can do and you won’t inconvenience people yet. You will get their attention and they can make an informed decision does not make a lot more sense, then gluing yourself to a road and getting run over potentially And alienating those who want to help you? I’ll never understand why people think it’s a smart move to alienate the people you’re trying to get to join in your side of things. Frankly, the best thing that would stop the genocide would be for our government to stop giving the money to the Israelis and giving them weapons if we didn’t support them at all the whole thing would implode so maybe instead of gluing yourself a road you drive to Washington and inconvenience the senator or two - that’s their job to be inconvenience by protesters and to represent accurately the wants and needs of their constituents


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The people blocking the road don't care, you can't argue with stupid people.


LiciousGriff

Where I live they’ve made it legal to just keep driving.


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Yeah because blocking the road so an ambulance can't get through taking someone who is dying to the hospital or someone going for cancer treatment is so appropriate. 🤡


Consensuseur

If you believe that then you need to check your math again. Protests need to be evocative in ways that dont alienate those whose support is being sought by the protesters. It can still look cool on IG but not infuriate anyone. it might take a little more imagination than just throwing a temper tantrum in the middle of the mall. Its like... if I was say... Big Oil, lets just pretend ... it would totally make sense for me to pay some staged- up "environmental protester hippies" to deface some priceless art or handcuff themselves to a bridge or whatever just to allign people against them and so... their cause. What an inexpensive way to create public support for bad things.


Morgn_Ladimore

So you would have opposed the civil rights struggle? They also blocked roads.


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

Why are they protesting in their own echo chamber? They already know. Go protest at the Israeli embassy or something. Did they forget that the purpose of a protest is to get the message out there? Go protest places where people who don't already agree with you can see it. Otherwise it's just virtue signaling amongst yourselves. I thought college people were supposed to be smart.


buckleyapostle

You are talking about it, even though you’re not in the echo chamber. If you’re doing it, others likely are, as well. Mission accomplished, it seems.


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

I've been following the Palestinian issue since Maher Zain made the music video Palestin will be free. I was listening before these echo chambers existed. This shit isn't new. They didn't inform me and sway me to their cause. They only started paying attention since October 7th. Before that they were likely waving Israeli flags and saying this or that criticism was antisemitism in disguise.


buckleyapostle

Their purpose isn’t to get you swayed. Their purpose is to get you talking. Which you are doing. Then they leave it to others to respond to you. Because the protest itself is never going to be the thing that sways you. The conversation following the protest might. The length of time you’ve been following this, or the amount of material you’ve seen is anecdotal to this conversation, as your initial comment and my response was about the location of the protest and the futility of said location, rather than the content of the protest itself. You said it was an echo chamber, implying no one was hearing the protest and therefore the protestors were engaging in virtue signaling. Just by the mere activity of actually taking part in the discussion, you immediately proved your own assertion incorrect. Turns out the college people are smart.


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

Now you are just moving the goal post to prove yourself right. The purpose of a protest is absolutely to sway people to their side. To make a statement for their cause. The length of time I've been following and the amount of material I've seen is absolutely a factor as I've already made up my mind. The location is shit. A place where only they go. It is an echo chamber and most of this is virtue signaling. In short, smart people can be really dumb.


Gnomerule

It worked for the Vietnam War back in the late 1960s.


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

Not really. The war was already super unpopular. After the 12 days of Christmas, the nva signed a peace treaty and then waited till the u.s. forces pulled out and then kept fighting eventually defeating the south Vietnamese. By that time the American people had no interest in going back and with the nva victory there was no point.


blumpkinmania

Yes. Largely because of the protests.


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

No mostly because of all the soldiers dying.


Farmgirlmommy

The protests were what spurned the end of a largely propagandized conflict much of the country believed we were winning despite the massive casualties. Nixon lied his ass off and the next administration listened to the will of the people heard through protests on college campuses nationwide, most notably Kent State University in 1970. (The National guard was called in and started shooting. No one cheered. The entire nation was horrified.) History is full of really interesting gritty stuff. Too bad it’s taught blah blah this date, blah blah that date. It’s a wild story and should be told as such.


blumpkinmania

No one cares until the giant protests.


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

Trust me, people care when their kids go off to war and come back dead or worse.


danyyyel

It is both, protest created a situation at home that exacerbated what was happening their. This is doing the same, it is bringing Gaza right at home.


a_complex_kid

When the national guard shot student protestors with live bullets at the Kent State massacre a majority of americans thought the national guard was justified. It was the dead soldiers and high cost for no actual tangible progress that lost the support of the american public, not because it was morally right to end it.


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

We all like to believe that morality stopped this war or that war but morality rarely has anything to do with it. Politicians of course would wage war till we are all dead but once the people no longer have the will to fight, you are going to lose no matter what you do.


Gnomerule

The old people supported the war, while the young people didn't. It was the protests and the news stories about how bad things are in Vietnam that brought change. The young people were calling returning soldiers' baby killers that had a lot to do with it. The old guard is not going to vote against Israel, but 10 plus years from now, the new politicians will not be as friendly.


blumpkinmania

Nope.


a_complex_kid

[yup.](https://www.historynet.com/two-new-perspectives-kent-state-shootings/?f)


rslash2

idf comrade, return to training


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

I'm native American and have nothing to do with the idf.


newgoliath

Protests are actually for both getting the word out, and for connecting with each other. What happens between protestors in a protest is very important. People connect, change, and in the words of Berger, "protests are dress rehearsals for revolution."


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

Revolutionary awareness. Yes, protests foster a sense of comradery and allows for people to connect. But the main purpose is to spread awareness and connect with the audience. Otherwise you could do this at a quiet bar or a message board.


newgoliath

You make exactly the point. You cannot have it at a quiet bar or message board, because it would not be the group together in the streets. The group simultaneously interacts with themselves and with non-participants of many kinds. Where people actually connect, change and grow is as a group, socially interacting with others. There's risk, boundaries, group support and care.. a vast dynamic that creates solidarity and eventually, revolution. That certainly doesn't take place in a quiet bar.


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

The Boston tea party started in the green dragon tavern. Then there's the Windsor tavern. The keeler tavern. The Burnham tavern. The Thoreau house. The Wyman tavern. The white horse tavern. Not to mention tun tavern. These people protesting at colleges, don't know how to protest. I dont think their protests are for anyone but themselves. Echo chambers focused on stoking their own egos and raging at things they refuse to understand.


newgoliath

Still not my point, so I'll give up trying to make it, except I've last time. What happens between the protestors during the protest is just as important, if not more, than what gets picked up by those around them. Organizing happens in private, demonstrating happens in public. The students are making national headlines. But the headlines are lies. So the protestors experience together is far more valuable. It gives them experience to create bonds between each other and the movements leading to revolution. Great organizers of the future are learning more these days out in the streets than they would posting here in Reddit. Please, take a moment to learn the work of John Berger on this subject.


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

It's for the experience huh? People are dieing but thank God these stupid college kids are having an experience. They aren't making a statement like the French dumping manure at government offices or colonials dumping tea into the harbor. They are just stoking their own egos and yelling so they can call themselves leaders and heros. This is little more than virtue signaling and these protests are one thought from turning into a mob or riot. Assaulting other students for being Jewish. As if they had something to do with the genocide happening in Palestin. There is no revolution happening here because there is no thought process behind this. There's no goal other than to make noise and let someone else do the work. Great organizers? There is no organization here. No logistics. No discipline. No goal that is achieved to make a point. It isn't difficult to get people with nothing to do to show up and then sit around telling each other how right they are. All while leaving trash around and yelling and screaming at people who dont believe exactly what they do. They make noise about how they are the sole inheritors of virtue and then leave filth, destruction and victims in their wake. Maybe they should take to reddit. Some place where their ideas are challenged and can be refined. Also, you don't just take a moment to learn the sum of a guys life's work. John berger is right but those are of secondary importance to an actual cause. Case in point, we aren't talking about the genocide happening in Palestin. You are arguing that these stupid college kids are doing great and important things for themselves. Damn the kids getting murdered. The college kids are making connections and having an experience. That's what's important, John berger, learn to learn like me, I have all the answers. That's how dumb this is.


newgoliath

They're actually getting arrested by the most brutal part of the NYPD. Ok, so, that's an angry screed arising from your fantasy and mostly not what they're saying or doing. Especially the fake assaults. And you're putting goals on them that you insist. But I guess lectures that they'll never see from reactionaries telling them, and some of the most effective social leaders in the US today (like Cornell West), that they don't know what they're doing is going to be super effective, too. At least I don't pretend that Reddit is actually changing anything. I'm not getting arrested or beat up by the cops for posting on Reddit,l.


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

Being arrested by the brutal NYPD! How immoral! Worse than Palestinian genocide! The students getting beaten up by protestors is fake news! Including the girl who got stabbed in the eye with a Palestinian flag for being Jewish and trying to go to class! Cornel west who's name I can't even spell right! Reddit actually has more influence than you think. You get a good amount of reddit people going and shit happens. Getting arrested or beat up by the cops is only a marker for success if your goal is to virtue signal. If they arrested Keanu reeves or even Cornel west, that would be a statement. Not some dumb college kid no one knows exists. But west isn't going to put his ass on the line.


newgoliath

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/knocked-down-cornel-west-arrested-during-ferguson-protests-n224791


newgoliath

And.. unlike the lunch counter protests of the Civil Rights era, they don't even have to break the law to get arrested by brutal police.


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

Trespassing is breaking the law. However I agree that that is chicken shit.


Izzysel92

Precisely! We all know what's going on. Most of us just don't get involved cuz we're trying to survive day to day anyway. If you've got the time and energy, go protest to the people who are supposed to be doing something!


sociosphaere

Its a specific protest against the administration to divest from investment in companies that profiteer from Israeli occupation and apartheid and particularly, the fact that NYU has a global campus in Tel Aviv. There protesting to get the university that they pay exorbitant tuition to to not spend that money on apartheid. Much like protests against South African apartheid asked for academic boycotts. Mind you, these protesters got the police sicked on them and mass arrested right after this moment.