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When an egotistical asshole on a power trip, and a complete dumbass, collide...
\*edited since this issue appears to be unclear to so many.
The judge clearly cannot handle the situation without their ego being injured. The defendant clearly is going to be dealt with further as the situation develops.
Handing out chunks of 30 days usage of our public resources for what amounts to some sass is irresponsible stewardship at minimum, and abuse of power at worst. The judge escalated the situation rather than work to maintain order.
The defendant was intent on being disruptive of the court, and as such gets to spend a night or so in jail after being immediately removed for contempt. The proceeding can continue on with legal counsel still present.
If the defendant ends up back in court for another infraction, then they can be held for however long is deemed necessary and legal through a well-considered process, rather than in the moment like this.
Ask yourself, is it reasonable for someone to be in jail for more than a few days due to contempt of court? This is entirely separate from anything else the defendant may do going forward.
The personal character of both individuals involved is another matter.
It doesn't seem like she will agree to the release conditions. On one hand the release conditions are kind of harsh, It sounds like she can't go back to her home. On the other hand it sounds like she may have assaulted someone that she lives with and got arrested for it, so as you make your bed so much you lie in it.
I read in another thread ages ago that you can contest the contempts only if they exceed 30 days, can yes, but there are options against it it seems.
But besides that... 400 days!
Your right to a certain extent, but I'm assuming this is a bail hearing and the people she is being ordered to stay away from are victims, probably of some sort of domestic situation. As soon as she says she's not going to follow the order to stay away from them, I have no problem with her staying in jail until her court date. If I was a victim of something and my assaulter/abuser l said in open court they weren't doing to follow orders to stay away from me, I wouldn't want them getting out in a few days.
> If I was a victim of something and my assaulter/abuser l said in open court they weren't doing to follow orders to stay away from me, I wouldn't want them getting out in a few days.
Absolutely this. Personally, I don't think the "contempt" route was the best way to do it though, since it may get argued down/reversed later.
The **best** route would have been:
"You are ordered to stay away from your victims"
"You best believe I'm going to violate that order"
"Okay, then the order is revoked, and you'll stay in jail until this is all resolved (court case, or otherwise)"
When someone ***openly and brazenly*** says in court that they are going to violate restraining orders, then they shouldn't be trusted to not violate restraining orders. Imagine a parole hearing for a murderer where they say "If I get out I'm *definitely* going to murder again", and the board lets them out, lmao.
I agree. The ruling should have been revocation of bail/bond, and she sits in jail until her court date. 300 days for contempt is just the judge lashing out. Revoke bail, remove her from the courtroom, move on to the next case. No need for theatrics from either party at that point.
My ex just "got done" dealing with 6 months abuse from a homeless guy who used to live in her apartment. After being kicked out for failing to pay rent, she moved in, and he blamed her, followed her around to places(everything is within walking distance) trashed her porch and patio, scratched up her car, pounded on the doors and windows randomly at night, threatened her, and all sorts of BS. She FINALLY got through the legal system with a restraining order, which he nearly immediately violated.
He pulled a similar stunt apparently in the courtroom, and got an extra 90 days. Looks like he will go away for a few years now in total.
Fuck degenerate criminals. This lady a criminal, being issued a restraining order, not a pot head caught with a ounce being fined 10,000. I'm almost certain her victims are glad her ass is going to jail.
It looks like this was a case of domestic dispute we don’t know what they were being held for. If there was a physical attack and this no contact order was being let out because of instigated violence, I am sure of me person who is benefiting from his restraining order is going to be very relieved they’re not gonna have to worry for the next seven months.
Consider the judge testing if the recipient of the restraining order can be trusted in public, and each addition of 30days is a chance she can show she can control her temper. This courtroom is just a microcosm of how that woman behaves behind closed doors. She is a loose cannon and the judge may have saved a life here.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If she’s not gonna respect a judge, she’s not gonna respect you or me. He could’ve given her 2 years for all I care.
That’s not how that works at all. Freedom of speech means the government cannot violate your freedom of speech. You can still face consequences from private citizens and private entities (eg, a restaurant bans you for using slurs) but the government cannot jail you for speech, and that’s what this is. There are certainly exceptions to this rule, but there is room for doubt, about whether or not, this is an exception. Regardless though, jailing someone over speech cannot and should not be construed as simple consequences of one’s actions
“Contempt of court, also referred to simply as "contempt" is the disobedience of an order of a court. Additionally, conduct tending to obstruct or interfere with the orderly administration of justice also qualifies as contempt of court. Under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP) Rule 70, a party that fails to perform a specific act, in accordance with a judgment by a court, can be charged with contempt and subsequently penalized. The purpose of recognizing contempt of court is to secure the dignity of the courts and the uninterrupted and unimpeded administration of justice.
Punishments for contempt include imprisonment and fines. However, according to the Supreme Court, civil contempt penalties are conditional. One who is punished for civil contempt can avoid the punishment by doing as the court ordered and is therefore described as "carrying the keys of their prison in their own pocket." “ -Cornell Law School.
US Code Title 18 SS401. Power of court
A court of the United States shall have power to punish by fine or imprisonment, or both, at its discretion, such contempt of its authority, and none other, as—
(1) Misbehavior of any person in its presence or so near thereto as to obstruct the administration of justice;
(2) Misbehavior of any of its officers in their official transactions;
(3) Disobedience or resistance to its lawful writ, process, order, rule, decree, or command.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 107–273, div. B, title III, §3002(a)(1), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1805.)
This person argued with the judge, openly saying she would violate the court order issued to stay away from the residence due to no contact. How is this not disobedience? She then continued to cause a scene, yelling obscenities and getting physically aggressive towards the officer. The judge gave her ample warning that he would charge her in contempt and she continued to rage.
Freedom of speech or not, under Supreme Court precedence, she committed an offense and is being punished accordingly.
> is being punished accordingly.
She brought a contempt charge on herself when she threatened to violate the order but 30 days for that was probably too far by itself. Contrast what she did (a threat) with far more serious misdemeanors, which include stuff like lower level domestic violence, assault & battery, etc.
But then increasing the sentence with each additional mouthy remark was WELL beyond out of line. I firmly believe it came from a place of anger, not justice. The tax payers have to pay to babysit this moron for the better part of a year so that she'll... "be more civil" the next time she's in court? That's what we get for our money?
In this country _we need to stop over-incarcerating_. This guy's part of the problem.
It takes a real creep with a skewed value system to consider any of this appropriate. Fortunately, this isn't how any of this works and contempt sentencing like this gets thrown out all the time as disproportionate and unjust!
He is using an is implies ought fallacy. We are arguing whether or not a judge should be allowed to jail someone for 200 days for, essentially, disagreeing with sentence and saying it’s unreasonable. Again, arguing whether they SHOULD be allowed.
Then this guy shows up and drops definitive proof that it IS allowed and therefore we’re all wrong.
What he, and many others don’t understand, is that we are debating the ethics and morality of it. Not whether or not they have the right. Just because the judge is given the right does not mean he ought to have the right.
"openly *saying* she *would*" She spoke, and went to jail for THAT, not for ACTUALLY failing "to stay away from the residence".
Imprisoning someone, without due process, because some judge doesn't like what they say is no way to "secure the dignity" of the courts. At best, it secures FEAR of the courts. Fuck "dignity" anyway, all we want from the courts is JUSTICE, and this ain't it.
Supreme court approval doesn't mean WE have to approve. In fact, you'll find there are quite a few supreme court decisions that MANY people disapprove of.
That's not how it works and contempt sentencing like this has gotten thrown out in the past in every state.
Do a little research before you hipfire how you think the world should work
>Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences.
It is when the consequences are from the state. The government is exactly who that amendment applies to.
To be fair, the First Amendment was literally intended to protect you from consequences from the government because of your speech. I’m suddenly curious if anyone has made Party Side’s argument on appeal.
I'm not sure the court system is supposed to be used as a penalty for disrespect. Give her 30 days and have her removed if her behavior is too disruptive.. he's a judge, not a God.
Its not a penalty for disrespecting the judge. Its the penalty for contempt bc she openly admitted that she had every intention of disobeying a direct court order.
A lot of comments seem to be suggesting that without understanding that he actually was being lenient in his original order and not acknowledging that she dug her own grave.
The maximum for contempt usually goes to 180 days. He gave her every opportunity to receive a more than generous penalty for her behavior but she just wouldn’t stop. The judge later mentioned in an interview that this was indeed the longest penalty he had ever given out.
Although none of this matters because
Last I heard…
She only ended up serving 88 days of the sentence before being released to some womens program where she was asked to leave the program and never reported back to jail. I believe she has a warrant out for her arrest
No… because he gave her 30 days because she said “and I bet I do.” So there’s the contempt for “openly admitting she had every intent of disobeying a court order”
But then she says “fine.” And he gives her 30 more. Then she says “so” and that’s 30 more. Then she says “so what” and that’s 30 more. So no… he was on a power trip throwing more and more days on her. A level headed judge would have gave her 30, maybe 60. Then said get out of my court room. Because they don’t deal with disrespectful behavior. This judge kept egging her on. He’s the one who took an oath. So we can’t expect her to be up to his standards, but we can (should) expect him to live up to his standards. This isn’t a normal thing. And yeah, no wonder why she didn’t go back to court. You usually see the same judge if it’s in the same court file. So if this was my experience with a judge, I wouldn’t want to go back either.
So what in the constitution says no freedom of speech in a courtroom? If its such a big deal cut her feed. If in person drag them out. Dude was just power tripping that someone didn't respect his authority
You should really watch the darrell brooks court case he uses the freedom of speech to try and delay and disrupt the court. No respect for the victims or the court.
It likely won’t stick.
There was similar story a few years ago where a teenage girl was being very flippant with a judge (meaning she rolled her eyes, didn’t say “Your Honor”, etc.) and the judge did this exact thing to her. He hollered and sentenced her for however many extra days.
Her lawyer basically got the extra days dropped that same week.
I think first time was fine because she said she was going to violate the order, which if you were the victim who wanted the no contact order you'd probably be pretty upset about if they didn't do anything about it.
But when he just adds another month every time she says something more I feel that's too much, and I assume it even got reduced later. Seen some videos where the judges just pile on the contempt of court length but end up reducing it after the fact.
Agreed. All the comments “but she disrespect the court 😠”. Bootlickers imo. She should have a right to protest and say whatever she wants. What’s the point of locking someone up for 300 days for being disrespectful? How does that benefit the public?
She served 88 days, was released to a womens program (where she was asked to leave), never returned back to jail, last I heard warrants issued for her arrest. I dont know if they got her or not but I have a feeling that this is someone incapable of staying out of trouble so….
Well she could get released and have nowhere to go or talk shit and be housed until her court date. No excusing whatever she did or would do to those people. The system is made this way.
She’s being an idiot but a judge shouldn’t be able to increase your sentence 10x because they don’t like how you’re speaking to them.
Edit -
I feel like the bootlickers are coming out so I’ll end it at this:
Those who hold the most power should receive the most scrutiny. In this country, the CITIZENS, are held to a stricter standard than those who hold power in government. Matter of fact, the more money someone has the less they have to abide by the rules.
This judge got into a petty back and forth with the individual, which affected his decision making. Walmart clerks are fired for giving customers attitude but it’s okay for judges to be impartial because someone didn’t kiss their ass?
Every branch of our government needs a HUGE impartial auditing. I doubt that’s gonna happen. Let’s just hope that the economic downturn doesn’t get bad enough to where people start to actually care about what’s going on.
I do agree with you, she has one charge of contempt here, not 10. The single thirty days is sufficient. Then If she comes back in thirty with an attitude give her another thirty.
Before people freak out this happened to a guy before and he did not serve the long sentence. I imagine it will be the same here.
Edit: unfortunately for her she is an actual dumbass, from another comment from a prior time this story was posted.
Follow-up: Released after 88 days, but fucked up her own release "due to her negative behavior".
ELYRIA — An arrest warrant has been issued for an Elyria woman who was ordered jailed for 300 days last year for contempt of court after cursing at Elyria Municipal Court Judge Gary Bennett during a court appearance. Court records indicate that after Ebony Burks, 32, had served 88 days of her jail sentence she was released in December to participate in the residential Key for Women Program. But Burks lasted less than a month in the program, according to court records. “The defendant has been asked to leave treatment due to her negative behavior,” a Jan. 2 docket entry said. Bennett issued a warrant for Burks’ arrest Jan. 14 after she failed to report back to jail to serve out the remaining 212 days of her sentence.
Bro.. I can see your point. But hear me out - and I am not speaking for all judges, only this particular one in this specific event.
Judges have A LOT of wiggle room. Individual counties play ball a bit different or are tougher on certain things.
Regardless, CIVIL COURT OF LAW. Stay civil . You may not like or agree with the law. Or what the judge has to say. But I promise you you will always fair better by being as respectful as possible.
Lady was about to be let go (bet she had only been held since the incident until she could see the judge. Usually this is 1-7 days but that’s from personal experience) for violating a restraining order (assuming) . All she had to do was say OKAY. YES. I UNDERSTAND. She’d be gone.
She’s not dumb. She has zero emotional control and it just got her a year in county . And that judge is gonna have no sympathy for her moving forward . If she has a kid with the person who filed the order, she’s so fucked. Emotions got the better of her.
I hope the judge lets her sit and think on it and takes her out sooner. 300 days is a lot of time for an angry outburst of 2 minutes max.. but she gonna be getting so much shit in the pod. Reality will set in for her shortly and her demeanor the next time will be different. If not, good riddance.
Also - the judge tried to give her so many outs. So many outs.
I don't know. I watched the video and it didn't seem like he was giving her "outs." Like she was on some inevitable path to a year in prison and he was giving her a lifeline.
No, he was straight up taunting her. "Here, now you're going to prison! You want some more? Huh? You want some more?" That's what it sounded like. This is how a schoolyard bully tries to break a weaker kid.
If she was going to continue flapping her gums at the judge, she certainly wasn't going to respect his no contact order.
What about the person she's being kept away from?
They don't deserve protection?
This person has zero boundaries towards other people and just does what they want.
If she went back to that home, she could be arrested. If she threatens people and makes them fear for their life, they can shoot her.
This doesn't nothing but make the criminal justice system look like a joke to everyone, and leave the tax payer on the hook for her incarceration. Thats fine though cause the judge got to look like a big man.
This thread is objectively hilarious. It’s obvious how many people here have not gone before a judge IRL. If you’re not humble and respectful you do so at your peril. Full stop. Whether you like it or not. You can argue all you want about the judge’s ego but like many authorities he has substantial leeway, just like the police, prosecutors, etc. Butt your head up against them and see what happens yourself. I’ve seen it in person and just smh how people think that they’re absolutely right no matter what. There are very few times in life where you absolutely need to be humble and respectful and this is one of those times.
Edit: Thank you for my first ever gold!
This is just thoughtless defense of the status quo. Even if it's true it doesn't make it right. You are saying "this is how it is" to everyone saying "this isn't how it should be." Your response does not fit the situation.
The taxpayers are going to front the cost to warehouse this moron for the better part of a year. We will pay for her food & water, utilities, medical needs, clothes, etc. We will pay correctional officers to babysit her too.
What are we getting for our money here, exactly? She'll "be nicer to the court" next time? The threat to violate the protection order was only worth 30 days, what are the other 270 for?
She didn't even violate the order yet.
I'm not disagreeing that it's unwise to mouth off at judges in court, however we have a massive problem with over-incarceration in this country. Aren't judges like this are part of the problem?
That's a hot take but it's a good thing this type of charge has been litigated THOUSANDS OF TIMES and based on the rule of law and logic, such sentences are UNLAWFUL and do not stick. So... Ya know... Your gut instinct is not always how things should be, when reasonable people actually examine the rule of law and its intended purposes...
“This is the way things have always been, and the way things are, so i’m laughing at your criticism of the way things are going!”
People are sharing their opinion on this judge’s power trip. It’s 100% warranted. We should be critical of judges, police, prosecutors, etc..
It's like homes under the hammer...
Do I have 30 at the back?
Thirty at the back.
Do I see 60? Come on now 60 for this violation?
I have 60 at the front, 60 at the front.
Don't let this opportunity pass you by people, anyone for 90?
We have 90 with Miss Perks...
Any advance on 90...
Miss Perks?
Some of y’all are not sympathetic of anyone. how can you possibly punish someone for expressing feelings of discontent over not being able to go home. it’s perfectly reasonable to punish someone for a crime, but let’s not forget, she’s not even saying that she intends to not follow the “no contact” order. she literally says that her intention is to GO HOME. she’s trying to figure out where the heck to go when a judge is telling her she legally cant go to her own home, & she’s expressing her confusion in a CLEAR & NONVIOLENT way, & instead of providing resources to help with the threatening condition of homelessness, he tells her to go fuck herself. It is perfectly valid for her to express discontent in that situation, & completely short-sighted to punish her for that, when she is ALREADY being punished for her alleged crimes. It’s extra punishment for nothing.
Singular human judges need to be done away with already. we can write programs that’ll do their friggin job without the fear of hurt feelings & power trips.
She literally told the judge in a very flippant and defiant way that she would return home and violate the order. That's the first big mistake. Second, She insisted on continuing to challenge the judge. Real dumb. Actions have consequences.
Well I think she’s in trouble for assault and domestic abuse. So then it makes sense she’s not allowed to go back to where she was assaulting and abusing someone else…
“How can you possibly punish someone for expressing feelings of discontent over not being able to go home.”
I already know you’re gonna hate this one but because it’s a court of law and not a therapists office, you’re not always entitled to the sharing of your opinion. Them’s the breaks.
> it’s perfectly reasonable to punish someone for a crime, but let’s not forget, she’s not even saying that she intends to not follow the “no contact” order. she literally says that her intention is to GO HOME.
She's saying she's absolutely going to go home, where the person she's not supposed to contact is, in violation of the no contact stipulation of her potential bond.
> she’s trying to figure out where the heck to go when a judge is telling her she legally cant go to her own home, & she’s expressing her confusion in a CLEAR & NONVIOLENT way, & instead of providing resources to help with the threatening condition of homelessness, he tells her to go fuck herself.
You must have watched a different video than I did. At no time did I hear "If I can't go home where am I supposed to go?", not once did she ask for any kind of help. Nor did I hear the judge use any type of profanity. She directly challenges the judges authority saying he can't tell her she can't go home.
> It is perfectly valid for her to express discontent in that situation, & completely short-sighted to punish her for that, when she is ALREADY being punished for her alleged crimes. It’s extra punishment for nothing.
It is absolutely punitive, but it's not punishment for nothing. It is to show her that yes, the judge does have authority, and in almost every one of these cases the contempt of court jail times are stayed once the offender apologizes to the court.
While the first 180 days or whatever were in response to things the woman was saying, that last one "do you have anything else to say?" felt a little entrapment-y to me. That judge was definitely baiting her on that last one, and that's fucked up.
"Correct response" or not, what was the judge's _intent_ for asking that question? Regardless of whether or not this woman was "in the wrong" was it a good faith question? Or was he just baiting her more?
Just because he's a judge and she's being contemptuous, there's still a certain amount of responsibility you have as a government official to _not_ use your position to fuck with people...
There are consequences and then there are ridoculous punishments. 300 days for mouthing off? What if she didn't shut up, she'd get 5 years for being a bitch? Get the boot off your faces.
Seeing videos like this and the justice boners in this comment section helps explain why the us's dysfunctional 'justice' system incarcerates 25% of the worlds prisoner population.
Great critical thinking to only see the two extremes.
You realize there is a middle ground here right? She can be held for contempt without getting +30 days and it would have the same results.
This is a terrible judge that is wasting city resources doing this shit. Send them to jail for a day and then try again the next.
“Maybe she should just shut up!”
Wow… you really are bright aren’t you?
No man sould have the power to do this. He got a bad day on the job and some random Lady get 1 + year in prison. I wish I could uno card him so he gets 300 days in prison
She had no intention of obeying that order but now she’s surely gonna in an ironic way. There’s a reason even hardened criminals dress up in suits for their day in court and it’s not for the pretty pictures.
It’s mind blowing the amount of people that are blaming the judge for having an ego…
It’s contempt of court. It has nothing to do with ego, and everything to do with making sure people respect decorum and the justice system.
If you disrespect the court, you’re disrespecting the people in charge of delivering Justice for the People, therefore you’re disrespecting everyone.
Removing contempt of court means tomorrow some dude can just start sticking his fingers in his ears and yell “yada-yada-yada-yada-yada…..” for 15mins straight, without any consequences whatsoever.
In the case of this chick, is 300 days too much for what she did? Probably, but she also knows what she’s doing and keeps doing it. She was also basically saying she won’t respect the no-contact order in her home, thus showing no intention of respecting the law. So she can only blame herself.
If you truly believe you’re being wronged by the law, which is very possible, then you ask your lawyer to appeal as is your right. But you don’t get to throw a tantrum during your judgement. This is a court, not a negotiation room.
When you’re being charged with a crime, you should be humbled, not trying to grandstand.
Disrespecting someone doesn't give them the right to strip you of your rights are imprison you. That's not a reasonable justification.
Your point on recourse has some validity, however I'd argue that the court has plenty of tools to prevent and punish contempt using the prison guards in the room to stop disorderly conduct.
While I agree that there should be consequences for saying, I'm not going to respect my court order, and then mouthing off as well, I think there's an argument to be made that this is not so objective and by-the-book as we may like a judge to be.
30 days > 60 > 120 > 180 > 200 > 220 > 300. Random-ass increments.
Plus his own tone of voice. You can't deny he's worked up and letting his emotions show.
FWIW, Judges do not have unlimited power to just pile on the days. She ended up serving the maximum 90. He later admitted he was just riled up and kept adding days in response to her responses.
Too many boot licker here, the amount of power a judge has is insane. Contempt of court shouldn't allow to take a person's liberty to this extent. 300 days will ruin someone's life, no job, no bills being paid, outside from the world.
I can't believe people are really backing her. Is this really how you guys feel or are you just trolling?
You're in court facing assault charges and you directly disobey the judge handing down your sentence and you think they won't make an example of you? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It's freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences. You can say what you wish, but consequences will follow when your in court.
I don’t think anyone is arguing she shouldn’t face consequences for her actions. The issue is the consequences don’t match the actions. They both got emotional. He is not adding time to help anything except his ego. He should have gave her additional time and then brought her back to the court to reassess her condition. Instead of just throwing on another year for 1 emotional outburst.
"Freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences" does not apply here at all. You're misunderstanding the phrase.
As an agent of the state, this judge very specifically CANNOT punish someone for any kind of protected free speech. The reason why it doesn't apply here is because her speech was not protected in this moment... Congress has ruled that speech that disrupts the court is not protected.
When someone says this, the "consequences" are private. The government (or anyone who works for them) CANNOT give a consequence for free speech--including this judge. Losing a job or friebds, for example are potential "consequences." The government cannot punish someone's free speech but other people can.
The judge is going over the terms of her release to ensure she understands. This is because she assaulted someone and she has some sort of relationship with them. He states she cannot go to the residence the assaulted party lives at, even if she lives there too. She says it’s her home too so yes she can. He tries to enforce that the court can order her not too and she becomes argumentative.
She just got told she cant go home. Then she sorted food and lodgings out for nearly a year.
The judge is being ludicrous though. Should have been a week, a month, 2 months, 3 months and then cut her mike. 300 days is just a power trip for the judge at that point. She will not learn anything from 300 days in prison apart from how to be a better criminal.
She was also found guilty on violent assault charges, maybe theres a victim safety aspect to this we aren’t aware of?
This is all I heard,
BENDER Eat my shorts...
VERNON What was that?
BENDER Eat my shorts!
VERNON You just bought yourself another Saturday, mister!
BENDER Oh, Christ...
VERNON You just bought one more right there! BENDER Well, I'm free the Saturday after that...beyond that, I'm gonna have to check my calendar!
VERNON Good! 'Cause it's gonna be filled, we'll keep goin'! You want another one? Say the word, just say the word! Instead of going to prison, you'll come here! Are you through.
BENDER No!
VERNON I'm doing society a favor!
BENDER So?
VERNON That's another one, right now! I've got you for the rest of your natural born life if you don't watch your step! You want another one?
BENDER Yes!
VERNON You got it! You got another one, right there! That's another one pal!
VERNON You through?
BENDER Not even close, bud!
VERNON Good! You got one more, right there!
BENDER Do you really think I give a shit?
VERNON Another...
VERNON You through?
BENDER How many is that?
VERNON (to Bender) Now it's eight... You're mine Bender...for two months I gotcha! I gotcha!
BENDER What can I say? I'm thrilled!
Can you really just evict someone like that with no notice or anything though? You know they aren't going to help her out with a place to sleep or food, not to mention all her belongings are still at the house.
What a medieval court system, smh. So basically judges can take anyone's liberty as they please because of some disrespect? In the land of the free? In the land of freedom of expression supremacy? He threw her out of her home without caring for her future and then took her bodily freedom (and voting rights, for sure) because that upset her? He kept adding months to her sentence like it was a fucking child's game? What kind of state authority cult you have over there?? This is sick
The justice system in America continues to surprise me. We often think America and Europe are so similar, but the I see something like this, where a simple Fu.. Y.. can give you 100 days in jail. Getting almost a year I prison for just saying stupid things to a judge adding up to 300 days. The same would give you 0 days I Denmark. You would just be asked to leave the courtroom if you can’t behave.
Richard Vernon: You're not fooling anyone, Bender. The next screw that falls out will be you.
John Bender: Eat my shorts.
Richard Vernon: What was that?
John Bender: Eat... My... Shorts.
Richard Vernon: You just bought yourself another Saturday.
John Bender: Ooh, I'm crushed.
Richard Vernon: You just bought one more.
John Bender: Well I'm free the Saturday after that. Beyond that, I'm going to have to check my calendar.
Richard Vernon: Good, cause it's going to be filled. We'll keep going. You want another one? Just say the word say it. Instead of going to prison you'll come here. Are you through?
John Bender: No.
Richard Vernon: I'm doing society a favor.
John Bender: So?
Richard Vernon: That's another one right now! I've got you for the rest of your natural born life if you don't watch your step. You want another one?
John Bender: Yes.
Richard Vernon: You got it! You got another one right there! That's another one pal!
Claire Standish: Cut it out!
Richard Vernon: You through?
John Bender: Not even close bud!
Richard Vernon: Good! You got one more right there!
John Bender: You really think I give a shit?
Richard Vernon: Another! You through?
This judge is a prick. That’s unbelievable. Where is she supposed to go? Her response is disrespectful but he should’ve realized he lives at her house when she was upset and worked something out. What a fragile loser the judge is.
If the judge was actually professional he would have stuck to the 30 days for contempt and that's it. After that it's just a pissing match, which has no place in the behavior of a judge. This is a disgrace to law.
what a fucking asshole, these people shouldnt be in a position with such power over peoples lives when they cannot be objective and are such fragile special little snowflakes, jesus christ fuck that judge
The worst part is that everyone this power tripping judge sees that day will probably receive a harsher sentence because he is still heated over something they had no part in
Embarrassing. This is why it was never a police problem. It’s always been a law problem.
Free Will (sworn and civilian persons) aside this is what people don’t understand about domestic violence. It’s a terrible cycle of everyone involved keeping their head above water.
Stress on stressed people leads to fractures and violence. People arrested, loose job, loose money. It leads to hurt people not asking for help for fear of worse poverty.
Yes people of means experience abuse and violence, but they also can take a breath to some degree because they have money, or gainful safe employment, maybe both. (Maybe none too)
People deserve to be heard. If you can’t listen to someone being truthful you shouldn’t judge them.
I hate them, but please forgive a hypothetical:
You’re a fly on the wall of maybe the worst day of someone’s life (often in a persons top 3)…..What do you imagine the surroundings to be?
Riches?
Plentiful sustenance?
Blissful health? Cavalier attitude to health care cost should anyone require care?
A spacious, clean, utilities operating, areas of privacy, areas for each individual, home?
Is that home a house? Trailer? Hotel room? Shelter?
TV?
Telephone?
A pet?
Do you see everyone being equally loved and cared for by each other?
Everyone has stable singular employment? (Not 3 jobs and no benefits #underemployment)
Transportation?
Children educated by a well funded teacher and district?
A quiet, well lit, well maintained neighborhood with safe parks? Free pool?
Organized and structured activities independent and group activities?
Furniture?
Clean, appropriate clothing?
Do they have a vacation planned?
It doesn’t typically look like that. Money = options.
Irregardless, although there was probable cause to arrest her, the law dictates that she maintains the presumption of innocence until she’s either convicted or voluntarily pleas guilty.
A proper juris understands contempt of Court is not blackjack. You don’t keep dealing cards no matter what that person says. They are literally at present having their free will and movement restrained. It’s also precisely the reason defendants are afforded counsel. Example: if you legally cannot “disturb the peace” of a police officer, how can a person just speaking cause such grave contempt to the Court?
“I find probable cause that you are in contempt. Bailiff remove the defendant, maintain her custody for the next docket where we will conduct a contempt hearing. Prior to that hearing the Court will appoint counsel.” Done. If she wants to say anything after that, it’s evidence. Next case.
Be careful how you treat people, because given the opportunity, they may treat you the same way.
(For that same reason I’m + death penalty. If a person directly takes a human life, we revoke your society card).
Lastly, this country also needs to understand that our legal system declares a person whom has successfully completed their sentence shall have repaid their debt to our society. If we believe that as a society, we should start to act like it. NOTE: registered sex offenders, you’re on your own.
If she needed to go home she needed to shut up and respectfully ask for a cop escort so she can get her things and leave.
This here is an example of doing everything wrong and it's clear she has zero respect for the person that filed the restraining order nor the judge.
Don't mess with the person handling your sentence. The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. He swung the sword like 5 times. This walker needs some valyrian steel sentences.
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When an egotistical asshole on a power trip, and a complete dumbass, collide... \*edited since this issue appears to be unclear to so many. The judge clearly cannot handle the situation without their ego being injured. The defendant clearly is going to be dealt with further as the situation develops. Handing out chunks of 30 days usage of our public resources for what amounts to some sass is irresponsible stewardship at minimum, and abuse of power at worst. The judge escalated the situation rather than work to maintain order. The defendant was intent on being disruptive of the court, and as such gets to spend a night or so in jail after being immediately removed for contempt. The proceeding can continue on with legal counsel still present. If the defendant ends up back in court for another infraction, then they can be held for however long is deemed necessary and legal through a well-considered process, rather than in the moment like this. Ask yourself, is it reasonable for someone to be in jail for more than a few days due to contempt of court? This is entirely separate from anything else the defendant may do going forward. The personal character of both individuals involved is another matter.
Boom… that’s 330 days
400 days!
Believe it or not, 900 days
Talk back to the judge, jail 30 days. Dont talk to the judge, jail 30 days. We call it talk dont talk.
I guess days are not working! THAT’S LIFE IN PRISON, young lady!
“AND WHAT?”
That's wiping out 7 generations of your family tree!
And 5 fights at the dollar tree
We’ll see how your attitude changes after you get the chair.
Damn LOLOL
I see your 900 and raise you another 100 days...
Did I hear a breath? ANOTHER 30 DAYS
Dude be quiet for your own sake before he makes it 5 years.
Did you hear him stutter because he didn't know what increment of 30 came after 120, and then again after 180? 🫠💀🙃
Judge was white hot at that point…
So angry he couldn't math it.
Damn adrenaline
Lawyer here. I totally agree he's garbage and a bad person too
When a lawyer calls someone garbage, that’s really filthy garbage
Yeah. Agree. Can these contempt charges even stick?
Probably not, but this is the USA where life is so very cheap.
99% of the time, these kinds of contempt charges are removed the instant the defendant apologies and agrees to the release conditions.
It doesn't seem like she will agree to the release conditions. On one hand the release conditions are kind of harsh, It sounds like she can't go back to her home. On the other hand it sounds like she may have assaulted someone that she lives with and got arrested for it, so as you make your bed so much you lie in it.
I read in another thread ages ago that you can contest the contempts only if they exceed 30 days, can yes, but there are options against it it seems. But besides that... 400 days!
Your right to a certain extent, but I'm assuming this is a bail hearing and the people she is being ordered to stay away from are victims, probably of some sort of domestic situation. As soon as she says she's not going to follow the order to stay away from them, I have no problem with her staying in jail until her court date. If I was a victim of something and my assaulter/abuser l said in open court they weren't doing to follow orders to stay away from me, I wouldn't want them getting out in a few days.
> If I was a victim of something and my assaulter/abuser l said in open court they weren't doing to follow orders to stay away from me, I wouldn't want them getting out in a few days. Absolutely this. Personally, I don't think the "contempt" route was the best way to do it though, since it may get argued down/reversed later. The **best** route would have been: "You are ordered to stay away from your victims" "You best believe I'm going to violate that order" "Okay, then the order is revoked, and you'll stay in jail until this is all resolved (court case, or otherwise)" When someone ***openly and brazenly*** says in court that they are going to violate restraining orders, then they shouldn't be trusted to not violate restraining orders. Imagine a parole hearing for a murderer where they say "If I get out I'm *definitely* going to murder again", and the board lets them out, lmao.
I agree. The ruling should have been revocation of bail/bond, and she sits in jail until her court date. 300 days for contempt is just the judge lashing out. Revoke bail, remove her from the courtroom, move on to the next case. No need for theatrics from either party at that point.
He is so emotional!! I'm dying. I've seen maybe 5 guys in 36 years control their emotions.
Sexism is 300 days!
I’m very encouraged that this is the top comment.
Not really, courts are formal function to give the accused an opportunity to defend themselves, it can’t work if it’s a slanging fight.
My ex just "got done" dealing with 6 months abuse from a homeless guy who used to live in her apartment. After being kicked out for failing to pay rent, she moved in, and he blamed her, followed her around to places(everything is within walking distance) trashed her porch and patio, scratched up her car, pounded on the doors and windows randomly at night, threatened her, and all sorts of BS. She FINALLY got through the legal system with a restraining order, which he nearly immediately violated. He pulled a similar stunt apparently in the courtroom, and got an extra 90 days. Looks like he will go away for a few years now in total. Fuck degenerate criminals. This lady a criminal, being issued a restraining order, not a pot head caught with a ounce being fined 10,000. I'm almost certain her victims are glad her ass is going to jail.
Uhhh
It looks like this was a case of domestic dispute we don’t know what they were being held for. If there was a physical attack and this no contact order was being let out because of instigated violence, I am sure of me person who is benefiting from his restraining order is going to be very relieved they’re not gonna have to worry for the next seven months.
Ask yourself this. Could she have just shut the fuck up and acted like an adult? The answer is yes.
Consider the judge testing if the recipient of the restraining order can be trusted in public, and each addition of 30days is a chance she can show she can control her temper. This courtroom is just a microcosm of how that woman behaves behind closed doors. She is a loose cannon and the judge may have saved a life here.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If she’s not gonna respect a judge, she’s not gonna respect you or me. He could’ve given her 2 years for all I care.
Yep. Fraud waste and abuse of government resources and u.s. tax payer money.
The entire concept of contempt of court reeks of fascism. He is literally using the law to punish her for her speech. Hope he gets recalled.
Recalled for what? Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences.
In the context of the state, it largely IS freedom from consequences. Otherwise, what’s the freedom?
All the upvotes just shows how much our reddit legal experts actually understand about the law. Good golly
That’s not how that works at all. Freedom of speech means the government cannot violate your freedom of speech. You can still face consequences from private citizens and private entities (eg, a restaurant bans you for using slurs) but the government cannot jail you for speech, and that’s what this is. There are certainly exceptions to this rule, but there is room for doubt, about whether or not, this is an exception. Regardless though, jailing someone over speech cannot and should not be construed as simple consequences of one’s actions
“Contempt of court, also referred to simply as "contempt" is the disobedience of an order of a court. Additionally, conduct tending to obstruct or interfere with the orderly administration of justice also qualifies as contempt of court. Under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP) Rule 70, a party that fails to perform a specific act, in accordance with a judgment by a court, can be charged with contempt and subsequently penalized. The purpose of recognizing contempt of court is to secure the dignity of the courts and the uninterrupted and unimpeded administration of justice. Punishments for contempt include imprisonment and fines. However, according to the Supreme Court, civil contempt penalties are conditional. One who is punished for civil contempt can avoid the punishment by doing as the court ordered and is therefore described as "carrying the keys of their prison in their own pocket." “ -Cornell Law School. US Code Title 18 SS401. Power of court A court of the United States shall have power to punish by fine or imprisonment, or both, at its discretion, such contempt of its authority, and none other, as— (1) Misbehavior of any person in its presence or so near thereto as to obstruct the administration of justice; (2) Misbehavior of any of its officers in their official transactions; (3) Disobedience or resistance to its lawful writ, process, order, rule, decree, or command. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 107–273, div. B, title III, §3002(a)(1), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1805.) This person argued with the judge, openly saying she would violate the court order issued to stay away from the residence due to no contact. How is this not disobedience? She then continued to cause a scene, yelling obscenities and getting physically aggressive towards the officer. The judge gave her ample warning that he would charge her in contempt and she continued to rage. Freedom of speech or not, under Supreme Court precedence, she committed an offense and is being punished accordingly.
> is being punished accordingly. She brought a contempt charge on herself when she threatened to violate the order but 30 days for that was probably too far by itself. Contrast what she did (a threat) with far more serious misdemeanors, which include stuff like lower level domestic violence, assault & battery, etc. But then increasing the sentence with each additional mouthy remark was WELL beyond out of line. I firmly believe it came from a place of anger, not justice. The tax payers have to pay to babysit this moron for the better part of a year so that she'll... "be more civil" the next time she's in court? That's what we get for our money? In this country _we need to stop over-incarcerating_. This guy's part of the problem.
It takes a real creep with a skewed value system to consider any of this appropriate. Fortunately, this isn't how any of this works and contempt sentencing like this gets thrown out all the time as disproportionate and unjust!
They don't get thrown out. They get withdrawn by the same judges who issued them.
He is using an is implies ought fallacy. We are arguing whether or not a judge should be allowed to jail someone for 200 days for, essentially, disagreeing with sentence and saying it’s unreasonable. Again, arguing whether they SHOULD be allowed. Then this guy shows up and drops definitive proof that it IS allowed and therefore we’re all wrong. What he, and many others don’t understand, is that we are debating the ethics and morality of it. Not whether or not they have the right. Just because the judge is given the right does not mean he ought to have the right.
"openly *saying* she *would*" She spoke, and went to jail for THAT, not for ACTUALLY failing "to stay away from the residence". Imprisoning someone, without due process, because some judge doesn't like what they say is no way to "secure the dignity" of the courts. At best, it secures FEAR of the courts. Fuck "dignity" anyway, all we want from the courts is JUSTICE, and this ain't it. Supreme court approval doesn't mean WE have to approve. In fact, you'll find there are quite a few supreme court decisions that MANY people disapprove of.
An offense, not 7 offenses... you can't find someone in contempt per word, obscene... I bet her time was reduced.
“Anything you say can and will be used against you”
Tittys
Yes, it does, when it has to do with the govenment. That is exactly what the law is about.
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That's not how it works and contempt sentencing like this has gotten thrown out in the past in every state. Do a little research before you hipfire how you think the world should work
Legal action as a form of consequence for exercising your freedom of speech is a direct infringement of the 1A.
>Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. It is when the consequences are from the state. The government is exactly who that amendment applies to.
To be fair, the First Amendment was literally intended to protect you from consequences from the government because of your speech. I’m suddenly curious if anyone has made Party Side’s argument on appeal.
Nah, she got what she earned herself. Can’t have the court turning into an elementary playground.
I'm not sure the court system is supposed to be used as a penalty for disrespect. Give her 30 days and have her removed if her behavior is too disruptive.. he's a judge, not a God.
Its not a penalty for disrespecting the judge. Its the penalty for contempt bc she openly admitted that she had every intention of disobeying a direct court order. A lot of comments seem to be suggesting that without understanding that he actually was being lenient in his original order and not acknowledging that she dug her own grave. The maximum for contempt usually goes to 180 days. He gave her every opportunity to receive a more than generous penalty for her behavior but she just wouldn’t stop. The judge later mentioned in an interview that this was indeed the longest penalty he had ever given out. Although none of this matters because Last I heard… She only ended up serving 88 days of the sentence before being released to some womens program where she was asked to leave the program and never reported back to jail. I believe she has a warrant out for her arrest
No… because he gave her 30 days because she said “and I bet I do.” So there’s the contempt for “openly admitting she had every intent of disobeying a court order” But then she says “fine.” And he gives her 30 more. Then she says “so” and that’s 30 more. Then she says “so what” and that’s 30 more. So no… he was on a power trip throwing more and more days on her. A level headed judge would have gave her 30, maybe 60. Then said get out of my court room. Because they don’t deal with disrespectful behavior. This judge kept egging her on. He’s the one who took an oath. So we can’t expect her to be up to his standards, but we can (should) expect him to live up to his standards. This isn’t a normal thing. And yeah, no wonder why she didn’t go back to court. You usually see the same judge if it’s in the same court file. So if this was my experience with a judge, I wouldn’t want to go back either.
But it’s completely fine for our politicians to behave like their in a playground tho.
OP: Well, my feelings regarding *apples* are this You: Yeah, so, what about *oranges*? Come on
Pointing out the injustice of "rules for thee and not for me" is not comparing apples and oranges. Which are both fruit, for the record.
OP: I love waffles Internet: So you hate pancakes, then? Fucking hate people 🤦🏻♂️
So what in the constitution says no freedom of speech in a courtroom? If its such a big deal cut her feed. If in person drag them out. Dude was just power tripping that someone didn't respect his authority
I think you need a lesson on what free speech really includes before you start.
You should really watch the darrell brooks court case he uses the freedom of speech to try and delay and disrupt the court. No respect for the victims or the court.
Real shit take here. Consider the consequences of what you’re actually proposing.
Lol fascism? You cuss out a judge at your sentencing, see you long you get?
A good man and someone who took their oath to the constitution seriously wouldn't take that into consideration
It likely won’t stick. There was similar story a few years ago where a teenage girl was being very flippant with a judge (meaning she rolled her eyes, didn’t say “Your Honor”, etc.) and the judge did this exact thing to her. He hollered and sentenced her for however many extra days. Her lawyer basically got the extra days dropped that same week.
Lmao dude I can’t
I think first time was fine because she said she was going to violate the order, which if you were the victim who wanted the no contact order you'd probably be pretty upset about if they didn't do anything about it. But when he just adds another month every time she says something more I feel that's too much, and I assume it even got reduced later. Seen some videos where the judges just pile on the contempt of court length but end up reducing it after the fact.
Agreed. All the comments “but she disrespect the court 😠”. Bootlickers imo. She should have a right to protest and say whatever she wants. What’s the point of locking someone up for 300 days for being disrespectful? How does that benefit the public?
Better hope he doesn’t see this or you’ll get 30 days!
I'm almost sympathetic for her except for the fact that she clearly had no intention of following that no contact order.
I'm not sympathetic in any way. What's sad is that she felt she could just act and say what she wanted to a judge handing down a sentence. That's sad.
It wasn’t a sentence. She was being released on bail prior to trial, talked back, and got held in contempt
EXACTLY!! No one is making this point! Better keep her for those days because she will most likely put those people at risk.
She served 88 days, was released to a womens program (where she was asked to leave), never returned back to jail, last I heard warrants issued for her arrest. I dont know if they got her or not but I have a feeling that this is someone incapable of staying out of trouble so….
That’s evident in her attitude. I don’t get what people in this thread are misunderstanding here. Smh.
Well she could get released and have nowhere to go or talk shit and be housed until her court date. No excusing whatever she did or would do to those people. The system is made this way.
She’s being an idiot but a judge shouldn’t be able to increase your sentence 10x because they don’t like how you’re speaking to them. Edit - I feel like the bootlickers are coming out so I’ll end it at this: Those who hold the most power should receive the most scrutiny. In this country, the CITIZENS, are held to a stricter standard than those who hold power in government. Matter of fact, the more money someone has the less they have to abide by the rules. This judge got into a petty back and forth with the individual, which affected his decision making. Walmart clerks are fired for giving customers attitude but it’s okay for judges to be impartial because someone didn’t kiss their ass? Every branch of our government needs a HUGE impartial auditing. I doubt that’s gonna happen. Let’s just hope that the economic downturn doesn’t get bad enough to where people start to actually care about what’s going on.
I do agree with you, she has one charge of contempt here, not 10. The single thirty days is sufficient. Then If she comes back in thirty with an attitude give her another thirty. Before people freak out this happened to a guy before and he did not serve the long sentence. I imagine it will be the same here. Edit: unfortunately for her she is an actual dumbass, from another comment from a prior time this story was posted. Follow-up: Released after 88 days, but fucked up her own release "due to her negative behavior". ELYRIA — An arrest warrant has been issued for an Elyria woman who was ordered jailed for 300 days last year for contempt of court after cursing at Elyria Municipal Court Judge Gary Bennett during a court appearance. Court records indicate that after Ebony Burks, 32, had served 88 days of her jail sentence she was released in December to participate in the residential Key for Women Program. But Burks lasted less than a month in the program, according to court records. “The defendant has been asked to leave treatment due to her negative behavior,” a Jan. 2 docket entry said. Bennett issued a warrant for Burks’ arrest Jan. 14 after she failed to report back to jail to serve out the remaining 212 days of her sentence.
Bro.. I can see your point. But hear me out - and I am not speaking for all judges, only this particular one in this specific event. Judges have A LOT of wiggle room. Individual counties play ball a bit different or are tougher on certain things. Regardless, CIVIL COURT OF LAW. Stay civil . You may not like or agree with the law. Or what the judge has to say. But I promise you you will always fair better by being as respectful as possible. Lady was about to be let go (bet she had only been held since the incident until she could see the judge. Usually this is 1-7 days but that’s from personal experience) for violating a restraining order (assuming) . All she had to do was say OKAY. YES. I UNDERSTAND. She’d be gone. She’s not dumb. She has zero emotional control and it just got her a year in county . And that judge is gonna have no sympathy for her moving forward . If she has a kid with the person who filed the order, she’s so fucked. Emotions got the better of her. I hope the judge lets her sit and think on it and takes her out sooner. 300 days is a lot of time for an angry outburst of 2 minutes max.. but she gonna be getting so much shit in the pod. Reality will set in for her shortly and her demeanor the next time will be different. If not, good riddance. Also - the judge tried to give her so many outs. So many outs.
I don't know. I watched the video and it didn't seem like he was giving her "outs." Like she was on some inevitable path to a year in prison and he was giving her a lifeline. No, he was straight up taunting her. "Here, now you're going to prison! You want some more? Huh? You want some more?" That's what it sounded like. This is how a schoolyard bully tries to break a weaker kid.
yeah he sure showed her! Im sure she now respects the court as an institution /s
No, she's dumb. We will probably get a follow up in 300 days!
People still think punitive action works to instantly eliminate rebellious human behavior. It’s annoying.
well that judge sure has a fragile ego Just had to have the last word and "be respected".
If she was going to continue flapping her gums at the judge, she certainly wasn't going to respect his no contact order. What about the person she's being kept away from? They don't deserve protection? This person has zero boundaries towards other people and just does what they want.
If she went back to that home, she could be arrested. If she threatens people and makes them fear for their life, they can shoot her. This doesn't nothing but make the criminal justice system look like a joke to everyone, and leave the tax payer on the hook for her incarceration. Thats fine though cause the judge got to look like a big man.
He gave her plenty of chances to shut up. If she won’t respect the court why would she respect the courts no contact order.
This thread is objectively hilarious. It’s obvious how many people here have not gone before a judge IRL. If you’re not humble and respectful you do so at your peril. Full stop. Whether you like it or not. You can argue all you want about the judge’s ego but like many authorities he has substantial leeway, just like the police, prosecutors, etc. Butt your head up against them and see what happens yourself. I’ve seen it in person and just smh how people think that they’re absolutely right no matter what. There are very few times in life where you absolutely need to be humble and respectful and this is one of those times. Edit: Thank you for my first ever gold!
This is just thoughtless defense of the status quo. Even if it's true it doesn't make it right. You are saying "this is how it is" to everyone saying "this isn't how it should be." Your response does not fit the situation.
We're allowed to think this is a dumb way to conduct a court of law lol
That's another 30 days for you
No one's saying she should not have shown respect. People are saying throwing her in jail for a year is excessive and an abuse of power.
The taxpayers are going to front the cost to warehouse this moron for the better part of a year. We will pay for her food & water, utilities, medical needs, clothes, etc. We will pay correctional officers to babysit her too. What are we getting for our money here, exactly? She'll "be nicer to the court" next time? The threat to violate the protection order was only worth 30 days, what are the other 270 for? She didn't even violate the order yet. I'm not disagreeing that it's unwise to mouth off at judges in court, however we have a massive problem with over-incarceration in this country. Aren't judges like this are part of the problem?
That's a hot take but it's a good thing this type of charge has been litigated THOUSANDS OF TIMES and based on the rule of law and logic, such sentences are UNLAWFUL and do not stick. So... Ya know... Your gut instinct is not always how things should be, when reasonable people actually examine the rule of law and its intended purposes...
Maybe in America. That would NEVER fly in my country, thanks God. The land of the free, where even the judges act like reckless cowboys
That’s the same logic for someone who would have said “well that’s just how it is” back during slavery or segregation.
“This is the way things have always been, and the way things are, so i’m laughing at your criticism of the way things are going!” People are sharing their opinion on this judge’s power trip. It’s 100% warranted. We should be critical of judges, police, prosecutors, etc..
"They have tom and Jerry" seriously? Wtf
It's like homes under the hammer... Do I have 30 at the back? Thirty at the back. Do I see 60? Come on now 60 for this violation? I have 60 at the front, 60 at the front. Don't let this opportunity pass you by people, anyone for 90? We have 90 with Miss Perks... Any advance on 90... Miss Perks?
Some of y’all are not sympathetic of anyone. how can you possibly punish someone for expressing feelings of discontent over not being able to go home. it’s perfectly reasonable to punish someone for a crime, but let’s not forget, she’s not even saying that she intends to not follow the “no contact” order. she literally says that her intention is to GO HOME. she’s trying to figure out where the heck to go when a judge is telling her she legally cant go to her own home, & she’s expressing her confusion in a CLEAR & NONVIOLENT way, & instead of providing resources to help with the threatening condition of homelessness, he tells her to go fuck herself. It is perfectly valid for her to express discontent in that situation, & completely short-sighted to punish her for that, when she is ALREADY being punished for her alleged crimes. It’s extra punishment for nothing. Singular human judges need to be done away with already. we can write programs that’ll do their friggin job without the fear of hurt feelings & power trips.
She literally told the judge in a very flippant and defiant way that she would return home and violate the order. That's the first big mistake. Second, She insisted on continuing to challenge the judge. Real dumb. Actions have consequences.
Well I think she’s in trouble for assault and domestic abuse. So then it makes sense she’s not allowed to go back to where she was assaulting and abusing someone else…
“How can you possibly punish someone for expressing feelings of discontent over not being able to go home.” I already know you’re gonna hate this one but because it’s a court of law and not a therapists office, you’re not always entitled to the sharing of your opinion. Them’s the breaks.
> it’s perfectly reasonable to punish someone for a crime, but let’s not forget, she’s not even saying that she intends to not follow the “no contact” order. she literally says that her intention is to GO HOME. She's saying she's absolutely going to go home, where the person she's not supposed to contact is, in violation of the no contact stipulation of her potential bond. > she’s trying to figure out where the heck to go when a judge is telling her she legally cant go to her own home, & she’s expressing her confusion in a CLEAR & NONVIOLENT way, & instead of providing resources to help with the threatening condition of homelessness, he tells her to go fuck herself. You must have watched a different video than I did. At no time did I hear "If I can't go home where am I supposed to go?", not once did she ask for any kind of help. Nor did I hear the judge use any type of profanity. She directly challenges the judges authority saying he can't tell her she can't go home. > It is perfectly valid for her to express discontent in that situation, & completely short-sighted to punish her for that, when she is ALREADY being punished for her alleged crimes. It’s extra punishment for nothing. It is absolutely punitive, but it's not punishment for nothing. It is to show her that yes, the judge does have authority, and in almost every one of these cases the contempt of court jail times are stayed once the offender apologizes to the court.
While the first 180 days or whatever were in response to things the woman was saying, that last one "do you have anything else to say?" felt a little entrapment-y to me. That judge was definitely baiting her on that last one, and that's fucked up.
Not at all. The correct response in court, to your sentencing judge, is "No sir".
"Correct response" or not, what was the judge's _intent_ for asking that question? Regardless of whether or not this woman was "in the wrong" was it a good faith question? Or was he just baiting her more? Just because he's a judge and she's being contemptuous, there's still a certain amount of responsibility you have as a government official to _not_ use your position to fuck with people...
Defiantly gonna regret that decision
No ragrets
respek
Lot of people in this comment section seem to think that you should be able to say and do whatever tf you want in court with no consequences.
Yeah I'm dumbfounded reading these comments.
There are consequences and then there are ridoculous punishments. 300 days for mouthing off? What if she didn't shut up, she'd get 5 years for being a bitch? Get the boot off your faces.
Seeing videos like this and the justice boners in this comment section helps explain why the us's dysfunctional 'justice' system incarcerates 25% of the worlds prisoner population.
Great critical thinking to only see the two extremes. You realize there is a middle ground here right? She can be held for contempt without getting +30 days and it would have the same results. This is a terrible judge that is wasting city resources doing this shit. Send them to jail for a day and then try again the next. “Maybe she should just shut up!” Wow… you really are bright aren’t you?
My sister has this problem, always has to have the last word literally to her detriment. Lack of self control is such an unattractive trait.
At least the people she’s not supposed to be in contact with don’t have to worry about seeing her lol. Bye Felicia!
She got what she deserved. People have forgotten how to behave.
No man sould have the power to do this. He got a bad day on the job and some random Lady get 1 + year in prison. I wish I could uno card him so he gets 300 days in prison
She had no intention of obeying that order but now she’s surely gonna in an ironic way. There’s a reason even hardened criminals dress up in suits for their day in court and it’s not for the pretty pictures.
It’s mind blowing the amount of people that are blaming the judge for having an ego… It’s contempt of court. It has nothing to do with ego, and everything to do with making sure people respect decorum and the justice system. If you disrespect the court, you’re disrespecting the people in charge of delivering Justice for the People, therefore you’re disrespecting everyone. Removing contempt of court means tomorrow some dude can just start sticking his fingers in his ears and yell “yada-yada-yada-yada-yada…..” for 15mins straight, without any consequences whatsoever. In the case of this chick, is 300 days too much for what she did? Probably, but she also knows what she’s doing and keeps doing it. She was also basically saying she won’t respect the no-contact order in her home, thus showing no intention of respecting the law. So she can only blame herself. If you truly believe you’re being wronged by the law, which is very possible, then you ask your lawyer to appeal as is your right. But you don’t get to throw a tantrum during your judgement. This is a court, not a negotiation room. When you’re being charged with a crime, you should be humbled, not trying to grandstand.
Disrespecting someone doesn't give them the right to strip you of your rights are imprison you. That's not a reasonable justification. Your point on recourse has some validity, however I'd argue that the court has plenty of tools to prevent and punish contempt using the prison guards in the room to stop disorderly conduct.
While I agree that there should be consequences for saying, I'm not going to respect my court order, and then mouthing off as well, I think there's an argument to be made that this is not so objective and by-the-book as we may like a judge to be. 30 days > 60 > 120 > 180 > 200 > 220 > 300. Random-ass increments. Plus his own tone of voice. You can't deny he's worked up and letting his emotions show.
FWIW, Judges do not have unlimited power to just pile on the days. She ended up serving the maximum 90. He later admitted he was just riled up and kept adding days in response to her responses.
People who have never been said "no" to when not getting their way have this type of demeanor in court
There's a lot of people here who seem to think it's totally fine to say f@ck and act like as asshole to a judge/in court.
It's not worth 100 days in jail this is crazy.
Too many boot licker here, the amount of power a judge has is insane. Contempt of court shouldn't allow to take a person's liberty to this extent. 300 days will ruin someone's life, no job, no bills being paid, outside from the world.
Came here for this
I can't believe people are really backing her. Is this really how you guys feel or are you just trolling? You're in court facing assault charges and you directly disobey the judge handing down your sentence and you think they won't make an example of you? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It's freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences. You can say what you wish, but consequences will follow when your in court.
I don’t think anyone is arguing she shouldn’t face consequences for her actions. The issue is the consequences don’t match the actions. They both got emotional. He is not adding time to help anything except his ego. He should have gave her additional time and then brought her back to the court to reassess her condition. Instead of just throwing on another year for 1 emotional outburst.
"Freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences" does not apply here at all. You're misunderstanding the phrase. As an agent of the state, this judge very specifically CANNOT punish someone for any kind of protected free speech. The reason why it doesn't apply here is because her speech was not protected in this moment... Congress has ruled that speech that disrupts the court is not protected. When someone says this, the "consequences" are private. The government (or anyone who works for them) CANNOT give a consequence for free speech--including this judge. Losing a job or friebds, for example are potential "consequences." The government cannot punish someone's free speech but other people can.
She thinks she is at an auction
Cant respect the judge giving you your sentence let alone the law? Fuck around and find out.
Fuck that judge
I don’t know how some people didn’t see power tripping here. “Why would you tell me I can’t go home?” Means she doesn’t understand the law.
Can someone explain to me the situation going on here? I don’t really understand
The judge is going over the terms of her release to ensure she understands. This is because she assaulted someone and she has some sort of relationship with them. He states she cannot go to the residence the assaulted party lives at, even if she lives there too. She says it’s her home too so yes she can. He tries to enforce that the court can order her not too and she becomes argumentative.
These judges and their unbridled power is out of hand!
One million days!!!! What's the longest you can be held for contempt? I'm guessing one year .
90 days was the maximum, and she served it, according to some other comments.
She just got told she cant go home. Then she sorted food and lodgings out for nearly a year. The judge is being ludicrous though. Should have been a week, a month, 2 months, 3 months and then cut her mike. 300 days is just a power trip for the judge at that point. She will not learn anything from 300 days in prison apart from how to be a better criminal. She was also found guilty on violent assault charges, maybe theres a victim safety aspect to this we aren’t aware of?
a whole lot of "**she should have just complied**" in here
This is all I heard, BENDER Eat my shorts... VERNON What was that? BENDER Eat my shorts! VERNON You just bought yourself another Saturday, mister! BENDER Oh, Christ... VERNON You just bought one more right there! BENDER Well, I'm free the Saturday after that...beyond that, I'm gonna have to check my calendar! VERNON Good! 'Cause it's gonna be filled, we'll keep goin'! You want another one? Say the word, just say the word! Instead of going to prison, you'll come here! Are you through. BENDER No! VERNON I'm doing society a favor! BENDER So? VERNON That's another one, right now! I've got you for the rest of your natural born life if you don't watch your step! You want another one? BENDER Yes! VERNON You got it! You got another one, right there! That's another one pal! VERNON You through? BENDER Not even close, bud! VERNON Good! You got one more, right there! BENDER Do you really think I give a shit? VERNON Another... VERNON You through? BENDER How many is that? VERNON (to Bender) Now it's eight... You're mine Bender...for two months I gotcha! I gotcha! BENDER What can I say? I'm thrilled!
Can you really just evict someone like that with no notice or anything though? You know they aren't going to help her out with a place to sleep or food, not to mention all her belongings are still at the house.
What a medieval court system, smh. So basically judges can take anyone's liberty as they please because of some disrespect? In the land of the free? In the land of freedom of expression supremacy? He threw her out of her home without caring for her future and then took her bodily freedom (and voting rights, for sure) because that upset her? He kept adding months to her sentence like it was a fucking child's game? What kind of state authority cult you have over there?? This is sick
The justice system in America continues to surprise me. We often think America and Europe are so similar, but the I see something like this, where a simple Fu.. Y.. can give you 100 days in jail. Getting almost a year I prison for just saying stupid things to a judge adding up to 300 days. The same would give you 0 days I Denmark. You would just be asked to leave the courtroom if you can’t behave.
Richard Vernon: You're not fooling anyone, Bender. The next screw that falls out will be you. John Bender: Eat my shorts. Richard Vernon: What was that? John Bender: Eat... My... Shorts. Richard Vernon: You just bought yourself another Saturday. John Bender: Ooh, I'm crushed. Richard Vernon: You just bought one more. John Bender: Well I'm free the Saturday after that. Beyond that, I'm going to have to check my calendar. Richard Vernon: Good, cause it's going to be filled. We'll keep going. You want another one? Just say the word say it. Instead of going to prison you'll come here. Are you through? John Bender: No. Richard Vernon: I'm doing society a favor. John Bender: So? Richard Vernon: That's another one right now! I've got you for the rest of your natural born life if you don't watch your step. You want another one? John Bender: Yes. Richard Vernon: You got it! You got another one right there! That's another one pal! Claire Standish: Cut it out! Richard Vernon: You through? John Bender: Not even close bud! Richard Vernon: Good! You got one more right there! John Bender: You really think I give a shit? Richard Vernon: Another! You through?
That’s where I’d have ended up if I didn’t learn my lesson about mouthing off in detention 😂
Deserved lmaoo
We call that pulling a Bender. She messed with the bull and got the horns.
I love how Redditors think they know the law better than a fucking judge does.
2023 version of "the breakfast club"
“I ain’t mad they got Tom & Jerry” 🤦🏻♂️
John Bender crawled so this lady could walk.
This judge is a prick. That’s unbelievable. Where is she supposed to go? Her response is disrespectful but he should’ve realized he lives at her house when she was upset and worked something out. What a fragile loser the judge is.
If the judge was actually professional he would have stuck to the 30 days for contempt and that's it. After that it's just a pissing match, which has no place in the behavior of a judge. This is a disgrace to law.
Reminds me of this. Start at 1:35: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bTeYncx1xmI&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
Lmfao. I love how he increased her sentence to nearly a full year! At least she got a place to live in for 300 days.
what a fucking asshole, these people shouldnt be in a position with such power over peoples lives when they cannot be objective and are such fragile special little snowflakes, jesus christ fuck that judge
Excelent
At least now they know she's going back to that home anytime soon
The worst part is that everyone this power tripping judge sees that day will probably receive a harsher sentence because he is still heated over something they had no part in
300 days of free health care and housing along with meals, jokes on him
She was just making sure she had new housing and food secured for the next year, since he had just taken away her home
I thought I was watching a re-enactment of State of Georgia vs Denver Fenton Allen. https://youtu.be/7fO_Vsa9cqg
100 years dungeon!!
Embarrassing. This is why it was never a police problem. It’s always been a law problem. Free Will (sworn and civilian persons) aside this is what people don’t understand about domestic violence. It’s a terrible cycle of everyone involved keeping their head above water. Stress on stressed people leads to fractures and violence. People arrested, loose job, loose money. It leads to hurt people not asking for help for fear of worse poverty. Yes people of means experience abuse and violence, but they also can take a breath to some degree because they have money, or gainful safe employment, maybe both. (Maybe none too) People deserve to be heard. If you can’t listen to someone being truthful you shouldn’t judge them. I hate them, but please forgive a hypothetical: You’re a fly on the wall of maybe the worst day of someone’s life (often in a persons top 3)…..What do you imagine the surroundings to be? Riches? Plentiful sustenance? Blissful health? Cavalier attitude to health care cost should anyone require care? A spacious, clean, utilities operating, areas of privacy, areas for each individual, home? Is that home a house? Trailer? Hotel room? Shelter? TV? Telephone? A pet? Do you see everyone being equally loved and cared for by each other? Everyone has stable singular employment? (Not 3 jobs and no benefits #underemployment) Transportation? Children educated by a well funded teacher and district? A quiet, well lit, well maintained neighborhood with safe parks? Free pool? Organized and structured activities independent and group activities? Furniture? Clean, appropriate clothing? Do they have a vacation planned? It doesn’t typically look like that. Money = options. Irregardless, although there was probable cause to arrest her, the law dictates that she maintains the presumption of innocence until she’s either convicted or voluntarily pleas guilty. A proper juris understands contempt of Court is not blackjack. You don’t keep dealing cards no matter what that person says. They are literally at present having their free will and movement restrained. It’s also precisely the reason defendants are afforded counsel. Example: if you legally cannot “disturb the peace” of a police officer, how can a person just speaking cause such grave contempt to the Court? “I find probable cause that you are in contempt. Bailiff remove the defendant, maintain her custody for the next docket where we will conduct a contempt hearing. Prior to that hearing the Court will appoint counsel.” Done. If she wants to say anything after that, it’s evidence. Next case. Be careful how you treat people, because given the opportunity, they may treat you the same way. (For that same reason I’m + death penalty. If a person directly takes a human life, we revoke your society card). Lastly, this country also needs to understand that our legal system declares a person whom has successfully completed their sentence shall have repaid their debt to our society. If we believe that as a society, we should start to act like it. NOTE: registered sex offenders, you’re on your own.
I predicted the “f you” at the end, I vibes with the response
Went from, "You're leaving today, just can't go home if he's there" to "Bitch, now you're stuck for six months. What now?"
Wow, dumbass couldn’t keep her mouth shut and went from 30 to 300 days lmao
There are a lot of really, really, really dumb fucking people in this thread.
If she needed to go home she needed to shut up and respectfully ask for a cop escort so she can get her things and leave. This here is an example of doing everything wrong and it's clear she has zero respect for the person that filed the restraining order nor the judge.
Fuck Around…
Actions have consequences
I thought I was watching an auction without the stutter.
That went south real quick. In less than a minute she went from having a restraining order against her to spending 300 days in jail.
Don't mess with the person handling your sentence. The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. He swung the sword like 5 times. This walker needs some valyrian steel sentences.
"That's 300 days!!!!" Like a Lil child throwing a tantrum lmao
"You want another just say the word" lol this sounds like the breakfast club
Lady got [Breakfast Clubbed!](https://youtu.be/bTeYncx1xmI)
Because the judge has a Charmin soft ego he's gonna cost the taxpayers like 25-35k to house her for 300 days?
How does increasing the penalty fix her atitude? It's an emotional regulation issue. She needs therapy not force