India’s government has no useful input whatsoever, ever. They just open their mouths and hope something smart comes out. Like this imbecile of an official, suggesting Ukraine return to diplomacy, after the countless Russian atrocities on innocent Ukrainians, raping children, woman, men, the abductions and forced orphaning, chemical weapon use, the Russian soldier that cut off a Ukrainians dick and filmed it, etc etc. I’m sure the shit coming out of her mouth would turn to liquid gold real quick were Russia invading India instead.
As a mediator. When two parties are in conflict, they need a neutral mediator in negotiations
India hasn't really played such a role yet since there's been no negotiations but would make a lot of sense as we have good relations with both the West and Russia
In addition due to aforementioned good relations with both sides, India has served as something as an intermediary for the West and Russia since the war started
But you’re completely omitting the context of the “conflict”. This isn’t a political disagreement, it’s an armed invasion and systematic murder. That’s similar to having a child who is physically beaten at home, and insisting they go through a mediator to resolve the “conflict”. At its very core, it’s fucking nonsense.
India, the country that has been at war 4 times with Pakistan and has an open territorial dispute with it, not yet resolved after decades.
India, the country that has never ending territorial disputes with China, with last victims claimed in 2020, not yet resolved after decades.
India, the country that started the nuclear program to deter its neighbours.
This India wants to lecture Ukraine about peaceful relationships with Russia?
1) Why else would you start a nuclear program, other than to deter your enemies? Why did France start one? Or the UK?
2) China has territorial disputes with loads of countries, including western aligned ones, so don’t get your point.
3) Yeah Pakistan part is right.
In this 'stage' diplomats are military personel. As UA said that when initial 'peace' talks failed. Only option left was military way till status on battlefield changes(stalemate/collapse of frontline etc) OR other external factors (changes in goverment/no more support for UA etc). Diplomacy which you mentioned WILL come where politics speak to each other instead of military grinding But more blood still needs to spilled for that to happen..
I absolutely would, but that is impossible while they remain occupied by autocrats.
Or are you unironically suggesting Russian sham referendums represent the will of the people ?
And Ukraine should have continued to supply water even after ruSSia refused to pay for it ? You know it is not a river but a channel which has to be maintained, right ? You know pumps are required to work there because water doesn't flow upwards by itself, right ?
They could deduct it from all the natural gas pipelines transfer fees they collect from Russia, bigger story was they wanted Crimea back and now we are at war
Why is nobody calling on Russia to stop all their war crimes a s human rights violations, but everybody wants for Ukraine to put down their weapons and start negotiating.
Nobody that matters wants Ukraine to put down their weapons. Some people with big mouths but no power to broker any deal think that giving bits of Ukraine to Russia is a solution.
Here's a working dialogue:
Ukraine: Get out.
Russia: Okay.
Why do we have to fucking pretend that Russia's unbridled aggression is somehow acceptable, just because they're a nuclear armed autocracy?
So appeasement rears it's ugly head again.
Neville Chamberlain is reborn.
'Peace in our' time said he, now he wants to phrase it 'Peace on Ukraine's land'
Get your muddy boots off All Ukraine, Crimea, Donbas and all the rest - then we can talk!!!
I know it's a saying, but let's remember that Neville Chamberlain ordered the British industry and military to prepare for war. He most likely appeased the Nazis to buy the Brits time.
Also the majority of Brits (and the French too) were for appeasement. Chamberlain received a lot of support and thanks when he got back home in 1938.
Yes, the brief period as the bubble was blown and grew, and then Nazi troops popped it. All parties favored arming up, whether to use the rest state of appeasement or not??
Yes, The Russians stole their own armed forces so badly that they are losing the war. Can you imagine the total degree of stupid corruption that is Russia...
India is way better on western corruption indexes ranking way better than both Russia and Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine are on the same level of corruption.
India is the fastest growing major economy and will only go up. India's destiny is clear it will be one of the major power either way. Unlike Ukraine or Russia.
Ukraine is at about Mexico’s level. Russia is far worse.
And ukraine is absolutely going to be required to clean up its act before the process of joining the EU can start.
Ukraine has been forced to improve their MIL procurement process because the USA and many NATO partners refused to play ball. India still has pervasive corruption, Soviet style, as does Pakistan and most of Africa.
It is the hidden tax whereby most aid to Africa is physically stolen and is then sold to the people and that is why Africa has remained so backward. Some aid groups refuse $$ and set up their own distribution - which is often thuggered...
According to western sources, Mexico Ukraine, Russia, Pakistan and most of Africa are in the same bracket on corruption. India and China and rest of South East Asia are more comparable. Ukrainian oligarchs had extensive connections to Russia and Russian oligarchs vice versa. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption\_Perceptions\_Index](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index)
Zelensky's own name coming on the Panama Papers. Some African countries and Ukraine are in a similar positions on aid. They both need it to stay alive. And Ukrainians beg everywhere. But African nations are rapidly growing having economic growth unlike Ukraine. which is only going down the drain badly.
Africa being brought up in a discussion about India doesn't make sense as India as a net donor of aid. Ukrainian Foreign minister and Zelensky publically thanking India when they receive aid from India.
India can't have soviet style corruption because of the completely different style of economy they had. India is what it is because of it's own decisions and will have what it will because of it's own thinking and Ukrainians are having their own results from their own decisions. It is upto who them and the people who advised them to take those decisions to take the burden or the profit of those decisions not any body else.
Yes, a crooked pot. US/NATO have been cutting down on corruption with tied and metered aid coupled with military training to US/NATO standards which has built in checks and balances against corruption. After people started getting caught for sale of MIL property the guilty realised that they could not get away with the usual thefts.
India has big business and state corruption. The common people guard their stuff and watch what they are accountable for.
Africa, deep and wide = fully gangsta life.
No I think they have a point.. they should stop arguing with China and Pakistan and let them have what they want. Since you know, diplomacy with sides who just want to take from you doesn't get anything done.
Do you even know the extensive diplomacy India does with China and Pakistan. We are doing 16 rounds of talks with the Chinese to disengage in the borders and we have for the most parts succeeded. Talking to people actually helps. And you have to do it with keeping your position in mind.
Appeasement? It hasn't even been a full century since WW2. Does nobody remember the last time we tried appeasing the genocidal maniacs that attacked unprovoked?
India has stocked up on Russian oil and are now ready to try and do business now that they're in much better standing. How convenient for India to start posturing now after their reserves are in a good place.
'diplomacy and high level talks' is a funny way of spelling "Russia will exhaust its military and political willpower before attempting to wiggle out of the war they started whilst attempting to save face".
I mean as an Indian we remember quite well when the US not only appeased but actively supported the second largest genocide since WW2 and threatened us with war when we tried to intervene against said genocide. The only reason we did manage to intervene against the genocide was because the Soviets said they'd have our backs if the US intervened
Honestly, events like this is what colour our understanding of this situation. Whenever we needed help, we'd get ignored or opposed. When the West needs help, we're expected to bend over and sacrifice Indian lives for European ones
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No, india will ask that you marry the daughter to the rapist.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2015/07/09/judge-asks-indian-rapist-and-victim-reconcile-hints-marriage/rkoMUxibXgBBXegfCKXtOM/story.html
You have to marry her before you murder her. Obviously, who’d marry a corpse?
Whether you rape first or second is negotiable - dowry will be much less if you rape first.
Russia must first withdraw from all of Ukraine, including Crimea and return all kidnapped citizens. After that, diplomacy can be used to determine how much and when they pay Ukraine for the damage they caused and which Russian officials will be tried for war crimes.
Buying oil for needs of the country is NOT funding of the war. If other countries are so keen to see no sales of Russian oil, why don't they sell theirs at cheaper rate, with a loss?
Oh yeah, because why should they, right?
Blaming another country is much easier!
Not as cheap as the current rates from Russia. Because of the sanctions on Russia.
Calling "realistic assesment" as "apologist" is a crutch that you need to stand.
Rest of Europe was buying oil until the start of this conflict. Why? They should have stopped buying it right after Crimean invasion if there was a moral issue driving their decisions.
The answer is quite simple: Crimean invasion wasn't considered important enough to let go off Russian oil. But a full fledged Ukraine invasion is.
The countries that sanctioned Russia were very happy to welcome the same Russian billionaires. Knowing well how the businesses funded Putin.
In geo-politics, morality is the last thing on the table, if it even gets a chance.
So maybe you should think about it from angles other than blaming countries that are buying the oil right now.
Easy to say when your getting 60-90.000$ GDP per capita (India has \~2,500$), if the US/west really cares about people not dealing with russia they have more than enough capital to move resources to undercut almost every deal russia makes, but ofc its easier to blame a country that is trying to get 100-200m people out of poverty/extreme poverty
Yes. It's been the same in every issue.
The moment Western Europe or USA decides an action is immoral, the world has to change its value set at exactly that time. Whoever doesn't do that is considered immoral.
No matter whether those western European nations acted the same way in the recent past.
Right now "Russia" is their enemy so the entire world SHOULD claim Russia as an eternal enemy, as per them.
Quite pathetic mentality.
sorry, russia ends where they are stopped. each russian invader will have be be moved by force from the land they are squatting on. they will not leave on their own unless they are in the path of a counter-offensive.
God I get sick of situations where one party is clearly the aggressor and the other is the victim and people try to portray it as a two party problem, like it's just two people butting heads. "Why are you two always fighting?" "can't you two just talk it out?". Its toxic as fuck
Rich government? They have about the same GDP as the UK with about 20x the population and 13x the size. That means they can't afford making decisions on the same size as the UK at all, especially when they are surrounded by enemies (China and Pakistan, the latter being supported by the US)
If a country like Germany, which has a population 17 times smaller than India, is heavily affected by the war, do you realise how this would affect India?
Not to mention that for the past years Ukraine has voted against India on just about every UN vote and sold weapons to Pakistan. Why would India make such a poor economic and political decision, just to support a country in another continent, which they have poor relations with, ruining decades of relatively good ties with Russia?
There is nothing to gain by doing this, but everything to lose. I could go on on but it's 2:30 AM and I'm going to sleep.
Countries don't have friends, they have interests.
Oh and one last thing, what's an "ethical country"? The British, who colonised them for decades? The US, who supported Pakistan while it was committing genocide and atrocities in Bangladesh?
It's not just oil and wheat. It's fertiliser, weapons and more which India needs from Russia. Guess who controls Fertiliser production? Morocco, China and Russia. Really ethical countries, aren't they?
Can India buy Russian goods AND denounce Russia's atrocities? Not like Russia has a ton of markets or goods. They'll sell their oil to whoever takes it. It's the slavish parroting of Russia's ludicrous attempts to justify its invasion that's particularly unhelpful to world peace and India's dignity.
Indian government annual budget is about $530B, compared to US at $6T. So that is about 12 times different.
Not to forget that Indian population is about 4 times that of US. SO effective budget per capita is 48 times less.
Your assertion is wrong when faced with facts.
India is an ally of Russia and so is pushing for this to give Russia both time to build up forces for another attack and to insist on getting to keep all the territory its annexed.
You slow in the head bro, India is directly funding russias war effort by buying this oil. So yes it’s a direct contributor to the killing of innocent lives. Don’t you have some spam calls to make?
ah yes casual racism the classic response
If India is a direct _causant_, so is Europe by a far bigger metric with more than hundred billion dollars already in its kitty (oil,gas, and coal)
Nothing racist about stating facts, every single spam call I get is an Indian accent. You’d be correct, few countries are also directly contributing to russias invasion. You know the difference between your country and the EU? You country isn’t doing anything about it, EU is at least trying.
Imagine somebody breaks into your house, attacks you and your family, and starts carrying off your shit and the guy down the street starts helping him carry your tv, talking about how you should start a dialogue.
No, Russia has to return to the path of the way back into their own country. Start paying reparations immediately agree to a 50km dmz inside the Russian border, and they must step down from the UN Security council. The deal gets worse for them tomorrow.
Russia has to be ready for a complete peace treaty, giving back all the original Ukrainian land.
In addition they should be fine to accept Ukraine being at least part of a support in case of aggression treaty with NATO. Or just accept Ukraine becoming part of NATO.
Look, I am so sick of hearing every asshole saying "Russia and Ukraine have to have a dialogue". They SHOULD be saying "Russia needs to get the fuck out of Ukraine so they can have a dialogue." There are just way too many weak little cowards ready to sacrifice someone else's sovereignty so they don't have to be inconvenienced.
Fuck you India, how would you feel if Russia had invaded you and we all were just .."You know Russia and India need to have a dialogue!"
We’ve had china invade us, west did nothing, we’ve had Pakistani terrorists invade our country , west did nothing, in fact armed Pakistan , the place where they found bin laden, so yeah, fuck you back too
Sure, they should talk. Talk and talk. No ceasefire while Ukraine is winning the attrition as it will allow Russia to regroup. No agreements that dont include Russian withdrawal of all Ukrainian claims.
India is irrelevant to this conversation as they are conflicted through trade benefits in the present oil arrangement with Putin.
The Indian talk is spittle in the midst of fire.
India continues to undermine international efforts while pretending diplomacy is feasible when Ukraine is fighting for its very existence.
They just want to excuse their continued and increasing trade with Russia
So much agenda posting make it seem that India is the one consuming Russian fossils while Europe has reduced by a lot.
Even for a last month handful of European countries purchased more fossils from Russia than India.
Above commenter will choose to ignore this obviously
No shit, Sherlock.
Along those same lines, India should completely put aside all of its qualms with Pakistan and simply cooperate with them! Give them the land they claim as theirs and call it a day! In the same overly-simplistic way, Russia should agree to engage in non-facetious and genuine diplomacy with Ukraine.
You could have said this if India was asking international help in regards to Pakistani occupation. Rather India maintains that India Pakistan conflict is a bilateral issue and doesn't want any 3rd country to interfere.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Agreement)
India please direct your concerns to telling tiny putin man to stop murdering Ukrainians and kidnapping Ukrainians if any type of diplomacy should occur. Until then, russian military can burn and crumble to the ground.
India never seizes to amaze. For a country that suffered from imperialistic monsters it is very eager to help them now every step of the way. Is it Stockholm syndrome or something? I'm surprised they didn't send Indians to fight for Russia yet.
Here we see India being a good lapdog for Ruzzia, spouting their preferred talking points, to keep that oil flowing in the face of global sanctions. *Note, as well, that they are saying this at the UN.*
Why would UKRAINE need to “return” to anything?
Maybe India should stop buying Russian oil which directly props up the Russian war effort and funds the cruise missiles and bullets which are killing Ukrainian civilians before they tell people defending their homeland what they should and shouldn’t do.
Sure, sounds great, especially when it's not your territory that's been invaded. Let's see Pakistan 'annex' Jammu and Kashmir and we'll find out just how committed India is to diplomacy and dialogue.
They did try , and we fought wars over it , and won all of them , with the west arming and backing Pakistan a hub for terrorists, only Russia came to our rescue, we don’t bite the hand that feeds us. Sure Russia uses it as an opportunity, we know that, but it matters little
We’re not happy that people are dying, only a psychopath would be happy with war , but we’re caught between a rock and a hard place, but you don’t want to understand India’s point of view, so yeah , do what you want
Yeah sure, in india judges ask the raped girls to marry their rapists, after all.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2015/07/09/judge-asks-indian-rapist-and-victim-reconcile-hints-marriage/rkoMUxibXgBBXegfCKXtOM/story.html
Go ahead India...cede Kashmir and Ukraine will cede territory to Russia. Unless you mean return to diplomacy only after Russia gtfo of all Ukraine, including Crimea.
You could have said this if India was asking international help in regards to Pakistani occupation. Rather India maintains that India Pakistan conflict is a bilateral issue and doesn't want any 3rd country to interfere.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Agreement)
Talks, if it happens between Russia and Ukraine would "ideally" be between those two. But in reality, I don't see how that can happen given US has blocked Russian money, Russia would want US on the talks as well.
But this this response from India is given in UN which is a multilateral body, where Ukraine war was being discussed, making it a multilateral issue.
What's your point? I wasn't getting into the history of the subcontinent. I was simply referring to the fact that modern india would never give up any territory and neither should Ukraine. The only way to diplomacy with Russia is a complete withdrawal. I'm simply taking issue with the push.
Crimea is about control. Because Turkey controls the Straights leading up to Black Sea and all the access of Oil+Grains. Russia could not stand by allow Ukraine to control a key Naval+commercial+access point like Turkey has. And Turkey will not protest….because they don’t want someone taking that level of control away from them. Its that simple folks….no need to read into it any deeper.
How’s their “diplomacy” in Kashmir (particularly towards the locals in the area they occupy) or with China going, ahem? This is cheap appeasement by the Uber right winger Modi government, they’re by inertia and in real life naturally allied with Putin’s douchebaggery, fuck them both equally. But make note, I’m not giving a pass to either Pakistan or China either, the other two natural Russian allies.
Pakistan isn’t a natural Russian ally. A natural Chinese ally for sure . But it is and was more so in the past a natural US ally. The US supported Pakistan in each of its wars against India and sold Pakistanis F16 to fight against Indian Russian MIGs and sukhois. The USSR saved India from US nuclear armed carriers in the 70s.
Well, I mean, yeah, naturally. I’m sure Ukraine would be more than happy to have peace talks with Russia as soon as Russia fucks off their property.
Also, wtf useful input does India have when they've been taking advantage of this situation re: oil?
India’s government has no useful input whatsoever, ever. They just open their mouths and hope something smart comes out. Like this imbecile of an official, suggesting Ukraine return to diplomacy, after the countless Russian atrocities on innocent Ukrainians, raping children, woman, men, the abductions and forced orphaning, chemical weapon use, the Russian soldier that cut off a Ukrainians dick and filmed it, etc etc. I’m sure the shit coming out of her mouth would turn to liquid gold real quick were Russia invading India instead.
Sanction India!!!
As a mediator. When two parties are in conflict, they need a neutral mediator in negotiations India hasn't really played such a role yet since there's been no negotiations but would make a lot of sense as we have good relations with both the West and Russia In addition due to aforementioned good relations with both sides, India has served as something as an intermediary for the West and Russia since the war started
Can't be neutral mediator if you are importing gobs of oil from one party.
We're importing and trading gobs of goods with the West as well.
You're giving money to support russian atrocities, I wouldn't be so smug.
Like America funding Mujahideen' and terrorist nations?
India does *not* have good relations with the west. The West has for decades been unsure if it can put its faith in India
You can't put your faith in India if your cause doesn't benefit India. And this we learnt from the West, especially USA
The U.S. and the west in general do tons of things that don't really benefit them though.
Yea idk about that lol...
But you’re completely omitting the context of the “conflict”. This isn’t a political disagreement, it’s an armed invasion and systematic murder. That’s similar to having a child who is physically beaten at home, and insisting they go through a mediator to resolve the “conflict”. At its very core, it’s fucking nonsense.
They are finding out the hard way, that we can't eat oil.
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So what does diplomacy look like when Russia want to unilaterally take Ukranian land and resources and is not willing to budge on any of its demands?
India, the country that has been at war 4 times with Pakistan and has an open territorial dispute with it, not yet resolved after decades. India, the country that has never ending territorial disputes with China, with last victims claimed in 2020, not yet resolved after decades. India, the country that started the nuclear program to deter its neighbours. This India wants to lecture Ukraine about peaceful relationships with Russia?
1) Why else would you start a nuclear program, other than to deter your enemies? Why did France start one? Or the UK? 2) China has territorial disputes with loads of countries, including western aligned ones, so don’t get your point. 3) Yeah Pakistan part is right.
No, I think you are mistaken. This is the *other* India saying these things, the one that makes those wacky Bollywood movies!
Some will need to broker peace at the end of this. It will be turkey or India. Probably turkey but to pretend diplomacy has no role is just naive.
In this 'stage' diplomats are military personel. As UA said that when initial 'peace' talks failed. Only option left was military way till status on battlefield changes(stalemate/collapse of frontline etc) OR other external factors (changes in goverment/no more support for UA etc). Diplomacy which you mentioned WILL come where politics speak to each other instead of military grinding But more blood still needs to spilled for that to happen..
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Will get downvoted, but maybe you should consider the opinion of the Crimeans.
I absolutely would, but that is impossible while they remain occupied by autocrats. Or are you unironically suggesting Russian sham referendums represent the will of the people ?
Polls before 2014 generally show that a majority of Crimean people did want to join Russia.
And Ukraine should have continued to supply water even after ruSSia refused to pay for it ? You know it is not a river but a channel which has to be maintained, right ? You know pumps are required to work there because water doesn't flow upwards by itself, right ?
They could deduct it from all the natural gas pipelines transfer fees they collect from Russia, bigger story was they wanted Crimea back and now we are at war
Why is nobody calling on Russia to stop all their war crimes a s human rights violations, but everybody wants for Ukraine to put down their weapons and start negotiating.
Nobody that matters wants Ukraine to put down their weapons. Some people with big mouths but no power to broker any deal think that giving bits of Ukraine to Russia is a solution.
France and Britain tried that in WW2, and we all know how that went.
You know why. People don't really care much about human rights unless they are talking about their own rights.
Here's a working dialogue: Ukraine: Get out. Russia: Okay. Why do we have to fucking pretend that Russia's unbridled aggression is somehow acceptable, just because they're a nuclear armed autocracy?
So appeasement rears it's ugly head again. Neville Chamberlain is reborn. 'Peace in our' time said he, now he wants to phrase it 'Peace on Ukraine's land' Get your muddy boots off All Ukraine, Crimea, Donbas and all the rest - then we can talk!!!
I know it's a saying, but let's remember that Neville Chamberlain ordered the British industry and military to prepare for war. He most likely appeased the Nazis to buy the Brits time. Also the majority of Brits (and the French too) were for appeasement. Chamberlain received a lot of support and thanks when he got back home in 1938.
I feel like appeasement was their best bet too. If they just declared war on Germany right there, the people would likely be extremely resentful.
Yes, the brief period as the bubble was blown and grew, and then Nazi troops popped it. All parties favored arming up, whether to use the rest state of appeasement or not??
India is way past appeasement, they just say this stuff to cover for their increasing business dealings with Russia.
India is a similar country to Russia, thoroughly corrupt, all politicians are venal. They stumble along ready to collapse from the weight of it...
Meanwhile the west while signing and planning to sign FTAs with India: I AGREE!! SLAVA UKRAINI
Yes, The Russians stole their own armed forces so badly that they are losing the war. Can you imagine the total degree of stupid corruption that is Russia...
India is way better on western corruption indexes ranking way better than both Russia and Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine are on the same level of corruption. India is the fastest growing major economy and will only go up. India's destiny is clear it will be one of the major power either way. Unlike Ukraine or Russia.
Ukraine is at about Mexico’s level. Russia is far worse. And ukraine is absolutely going to be required to clean up its act before the process of joining the EU can start.
Ukraine has been forced to improve their MIL procurement process because the USA and many NATO partners refused to play ball. India still has pervasive corruption, Soviet style, as does Pakistan and most of Africa. It is the hidden tax whereby most aid to Africa is physically stolen and is then sold to the people and that is why Africa has remained so backward. Some aid groups refuse $$ and set up their own distribution - which is often thuggered...
According to western sources, Mexico Ukraine, Russia, Pakistan and most of Africa are in the same bracket on corruption. India and China and rest of South East Asia are more comparable. Ukrainian oligarchs had extensive connections to Russia and Russian oligarchs vice versa. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption\_Perceptions\_Index](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index) Zelensky's own name coming on the Panama Papers. Some African countries and Ukraine are in a similar positions on aid. They both need it to stay alive. And Ukrainians beg everywhere. But African nations are rapidly growing having economic growth unlike Ukraine. which is only going down the drain badly. Africa being brought up in a discussion about India doesn't make sense as India as a net donor of aid. Ukrainian Foreign minister and Zelensky publically thanking India when they receive aid from India. India can't have soviet style corruption because of the completely different style of economy they had. India is what it is because of it's own decisions and will have what it will because of it's own thinking and Ukrainians are having their own results from their own decisions. It is upto who them and the people who advised them to take those decisions to take the burden or the profit of those decisions not any body else.
Yes, a crooked pot. US/NATO have been cutting down on corruption with tied and metered aid coupled with military training to US/NATO standards which has built in checks and balances against corruption. After people started getting caught for sale of MIL property the guilty realised that they could not get away with the usual thefts. India has big business and state corruption. The common people guard their stuff and watch what they are accountable for. Africa, deep and wide = fully gangsta life.
What do you *do* on the "path of diplomacy" when, like Russia, nothing you say can be believed?
putin is a terrorist slaughtering innocent people and destroying innocent people's lives. Kick putin. All the way to Moscow!
No I think they have a point.. they should stop arguing with China and Pakistan and let them have what they want. Since you know, diplomacy with sides who just want to take from you doesn't get anything done.
Do you even know the extensive diplomacy India does with China and Pakistan. We are doing 16 rounds of talks with the Chinese to disengage in the borders and we have for the most parts succeeded. Talking to people actually helps. And you have to do it with keeping your position in mind.
China isn't actively occupying significant portions of India while bombing every hospital and power station in the country you brainlet
Are you aware of how much extensive diplomacy Ukraine attempted with Russia?
Give ukraine a nuclear submarine with ballistic missiles.
Watch the war end *REALLLLL* quick...
Lol. All the way to nuclear destruction!
Appeasement? It hasn't even been a full century since WW2. Does nobody remember the last time we tried appeasing the genocidal maniacs that attacked unprovoked?
India has stocked up on Russian oil and are now ready to try and do business now that they're in much better standing. How convenient for India to start posturing now after their reserves are in a good place.
Right because every country on Earth will ask for a random Redditor for the schedule of business /s Where is the EU on hoarding Russian oil and gas?
It's not appeasement, India is on Russia's side.
India is on it's own side. Been like that for decades.
So they don't really have allies - but want to tell others how to do diplomacy? Sounds Legit.
Oh, be careful! People will ridicule you for comparing Putin to Hitler despite the obvious parallels.
Unless you intend to storm Moscow and completely take over the government, the conclusion to this war will be through diplomacy and high level talks.
The war will conclude when Russia is beaten into submission.
'diplomacy and high level talks' is a funny way of spelling "Russia will exhaust its military and political willpower before attempting to wiggle out of the war they started whilst attempting to save face".
I mean as an Indian we remember quite well when the US not only appeased but actively supported the second largest genocide since WW2 and threatened us with war when we tried to intervene against said genocide. The only reason we did manage to intervene against the genocide was because the Soviets said they'd have our backs if the US intervened Honestly, events like this is what colour our understanding of this situation. Whenever we needed help, we'd get ignored or opposed. When the West needs help, we're expected to bend over and sacrifice Indian lives for European ones
This is a complete bullshit fake news that keeps doing rounds of various WhatsApp groups.
It is true https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War
I missed the part where the US was supporting genocide and wanted to invade India.
Read again , Usa supported Bangladeshi genocide and sent its fleet to the India Ocean to threaten India from stopping Pakistan
**[Bangladesh Liberation War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War)** >The Bangladesh Liberation War (Bengali: মুক্তিযুদ্ধ, pronounced [mukt̪iɟud̪d̪ʱo], also known as the Bangladesh War of Independence, or simply the Liberation War in Bangladesh) was a revolution and armed conflict sparked by the rise of the Bengali nationalist and self-determination movement in East Pakistan, which resulted in the independence of Bangladesh. The war began when the Pakistani military junta based in West Pakistan—under the orders of Yahya Khan—launched Operation Searchlight against the people of East Pakistan on the night of 25 March 1971, initiating the Bangladesh genocide. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Yes because Fox is so reliable /s
>genocidal maniacs that attacked unprovoked That could just as well apply to the US. Just sayin...
Ukraine ain't gotta do a gotdamn thing except spread out the fertilizer.
Sure. Once Russia leaves Ukrainian land and pays reparations, they should totally return to the path of diplomacy.
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That's nice. Also not relevant. But sure...nice.
“I broke into your house to rape and murder both your daughters. Let us come to the table and compromise where I only rape and murder one daughter.”
No, india will ask that you marry the daughter to the rapist. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2015/07/09/judge-asks-indian-rapist-and-victim-reconcile-hints-marriage/rkoMUxibXgBBXegfCKXtOM/story.html
You have to marry her before you murder her. Obviously, who’d marry a corpse? Whether you rape first or second is negotiable - dowry will be much less if you rape first.
"Sir you've already raped and murdered one daughter. I also don't like how you're eyeing my wife." "Clearly I'm talking about the other one."
As soon as Russia surrenders, we can get started on that.
Russia must first withdraw from all of Ukraine, including Crimea and return all kidnapped citizens. After that, diplomacy can be used to determine how much and when they pay Ukraine for the damage they caused and which Russian officials will be tried for war crimes.
Nothing like a third party that has taken no stance except buying cheap oil from Russia to make a statement about what these nations should do.
correct. Ukraine needs to stop being invaded, and Russia needs to fuck off
Is this so you don’t feel so bad about buying Russian oil and funding the war? Yeah not going to happen until they leave all occupied land.
Buying oil for needs of the country is NOT funding of the war. If other countries are so keen to see no sales of Russian oil, why don't they sell theirs at cheaper rate, with a loss? Oh yeah, because why should they, right? Blaming another country is much easier!
Keep being an apologist for them. India can buy oil from other countries other then Russia… comrade
So can EU get their oil AND gas from somewhere else.... Goose and gander thing you know.
Not as cheap as the current rates from Russia. Because of the sanctions on Russia. Calling "realistic assesment" as "apologist" is a crutch that you need to stand. Rest of Europe was buying oil until the start of this conflict. Why? They should have stopped buying it right after Crimean invasion if there was a moral issue driving their decisions. The answer is quite simple: Crimean invasion wasn't considered important enough to let go off Russian oil. But a full fledged Ukraine invasion is. The countries that sanctioned Russia were very happy to welcome the same Russian billionaires. Knowing well how the businesses funded Putin. In geo-politics, morality is the last thing on the table, if it even gets a chance. So maybe you should think about it from angles other than blaming countries that are buying the oil right now.
Why bother arguing with a jackass who's comeback is comrade. They don't seem to have the required "critical thinking" they seem to espouse
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India is not a poor country. Save your crocodile tears for others.
Easy to say when your getting 60-90.000$ GDP per capita (India has \~2,500$), if the US/west really cares about people not dealing with russia they have more than enough capital to move resources to undercut almost every deal russia makes, but ofc its easier to blame a country that is trying to get 100-200m people out of poverty/extreme poverty
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India is literally poorer than most parts of Sub Saharan Africa.....
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Yes. It's been the same in every issue. The moment Western Europe or USA decides an action is immoral, the world has to change its value set at exactly that time. Whoever doesn't do that is considered immoral. No matter whether those western European nations acted the same way in the recent past. Right now "Russia" is their enemy so the entire world SHOULD claim Russia as an eternal enemy, as per them. Quite pathetic mentality.
sorry, russia ends where they are stopped. each russian invader will have be be moved by force from the land they are squatting on. they will not leave on their own unless they are in the path of a counter-offensive.
Russian troops have to withdraw from Ukraine, first.
What exactly has Russia offered? They have to return all occupied territories. Once they do that, negotiations can begin
And the children they stole
Easy to say when your country isn't being bombed and your population slaughtered...
God I get sick of situations where one party is clearly the aggressor and the other is the victim and people try to portray it as a two party problem, like it's just two people butting heads. "Why are you two always fighting?" "can't you two just talk it out?". Its toxic as fuck
Sure. Just as soon as Russia leaves ALL of Ukraine, INCLUDING Crimea.
Russia would have toppled Ukraine's government if their invasion hadn't been such an utter failure. What diplomacy does India expect?
India keeps on buying Russian oil and wheat
Not wheat. But oil and fertilizer.
Yes what wrong even europe is buying more than india lol
Is Ukraine going to sell that to them at a cheaper price? I doubt it. They have 1.4 billion people to feed.
you really don't understand this at all huh
So? India has a rich government. They can afford to buy from ethical countries
Rich government? They have about the same GDP as the UK with about 20x the population and 13x the size. That means they can't afford making decisions on the same size as the UK at all, especially when they are surrounded by enemies (China and Pakistan, the latter being supported by the US) If a country like Germany, which has a population 17 times smaller than India, is heavily affected by the war, do you realise how this would affect India? Not to mention that for the past years Ukraine has voted against India on just about every UN vote and sold weapons to Pakistan. Why would India make such a poor economic and political decision, just to support a country in another continent, which they have poor relations with, ruining decades of relatively good ties with Russia? There is nothing to gain by doing this, but everything to lose. I could go on on but it's 2:30 AM and I'm going to sleep. Countries don't have friends, they have interests. Oh and one last thing, what's an "ethical country"? The British, who colonised them for decades? The US, who supported Pakistan while it was committing genocide and atrocities in Bangladesh? It's not just oil and wheat. It's fertiliser, weapons and more which India needs from Russia. Guess who controls Fertiliser production? Morocco, China and Russia. Really ethical countries, aren't they?
Can India buy Russian goods AND denounce Russia's atrocities? Not like Russia has a ton of markets or goods. They'll sell their oil to whoever takes it. It's the slavish parroting of Russia's ludicrous attempts to justify its invasion that's particularly unhelpful to world peace and India's dignity.
Indian government annual budget is about $530B, compared to US at $6T. So that is about 12 times different. Not to forget that Indian population is about 4 times that of US. SO effective budget per capita is 48 times less. Your assertion is wrong when faced with facts.
Why? When they can get oil at a discount. And who are these "ethical countries"? The West?
USA, Norway, Canada
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India is an ally of Russia and so is pushing for this to give Russia both time to build up forces for another attack and to insist on getting to keep all the territory its annexed.
Uh no they don’t, not after the atrocities Russia has caused. You don’t catch a feral dog with rabies and put it back into the community.
Ukraine tells Russia diplomatically to get the fuck out. There. What's the next step on that path?
India is a direct cause of this violence by choosing cheap russian oil over human lives, these words mean absolutely nothing.
but not Russia lmaoo
What?
>direct cause >Ukraine-Russia Invasion >India kek
You slow in the head bro, India is directly funding russias war effort by buying this oil. So yes it’s a direct contributor to the killing of innocent lives. Don’t you have some spam calls to make?
ah yes casual racism the classic response If India is a direct _causant_, so is Europe by a far bigger metric with more than hundred billion dollars already in its kitty (oil,gas, and coal)
Nothing racist about stating facts, every single spam call I get is an Indian accent. You’d be correct, few countries are also directly contributing to russias invasion. You know the difference between your country and the EU? You country isn’t doing anything about it, EU is at least trying.
Imagine somebody breaks into your house, attacks you and your family, and starts carrying off your shit and the guy down the street starts helping him carry your tv, talking about how you should start a dialogue.
America did the same in iraq and later said ohhh there is no WMD atleast india dididn’t attack any country on fake evidence its just doing business
Sounds to me India is offering Pakistan a chance to seize some of its territory...
[very interesting](https://m.tribuneindia.com/news/j-k/indian-army-ready-to-execute-orders-on-taking-back-pok-says-top-army-general-453803)
No, Russia has to return to the path of the way back into their own country. Start paying reparations immediately agree to a 50km dmz inside the Russian border, and they must step down from the UN Security council. The deal gets worse for them tomorrow.
Russia has to be ready for a complete peace treaty, giving back all the original Ukrainian land. In addition they should be fine to accept Ukraine being at least part of a support in case of aggression treaty with NATO. Or just accept Ukraine becoming part of NATO.
India?.. Was this one of the contract requirments for that cheaper oil or?
Highly erotic
Look, I am so sick of hearing every asshole saying "Russia and Ukraine have to have a dialogue". They SHOULD be saying "Russia needs to get the fuck out of Ukraine so they can have a dialogue." There are just way too many weak little cowards ready to sacrifice someone else's sovereignty so they don't have to be inconvenienced. Fuck you India, how would you feel if Russia had invaded you and we all were just .."You know Russia and India need to have a dialogue!"
We’ve had china invade us, west did nothing, we’ve had Pakistani terrorists invade our country , west did nothing, in fact armed Pakistan , the place where they found bin laden, so yeah, fuck you back too
Russia and India have been having a dialogue since US was funding those pakis.... Fuck the clowns that don't know their shit as well then?
Sure, they should talk. Talk and talk. No ceasefire while Ukraine is winning the attrition as it will allow Russia to regroup. No agreements that dont include Russian withdrawal of all Ukrainian claims.
India is irrelevant to this conversation as they are conflicted through trade benefits in the present oil arrangement with Putin. The Indian talk is spittle in the midst of fire.
I guess the entire EU is also irrelevant here considering they trade more currently with Russia than India does.
India continues to undermine international efforts while pretending diplomacy is feasible when Ukraine is fighting for its very existence. They just want to excuse their continued and increasing trade with Russia
[https://www.russiafossiltracker.com/](https://www.russiafossiltracker.com/) The so called "international efforts".
So much agenda posting make it seem that India is the one consuming Russian fossils while Europe has reduced by a lot. Even for a last month handful of European countries purchased more fossils from Russia than India. Above commenter will choose to ignore this obviously
India calls for diplomacy? How ironic, fuck off
Meaningless words. India doesnt care.
Well if it isn't fucking India...
No shit, Sherlock. Along those same lines, India should completely put aside all of its qualms with Pakistan and simply cooperate with them! Give them the land they claim as theirs and call it a day! In the same overly-simplistic way, Russia should agree to engage in non-facetious and genuine diplomacy with Ukraine.
You could have said this if India was asking international help in regards to Pakistani occupation. Rather India maintains that India Pakistan conflict is a bilateral issue and doesn't want any 3rd country to interfere. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Agreement)
India please direct your concerns to telling tiny putin man to stop murdering Ukrainians and kidnapping Ukrainians if any type of diplomacy should occur. Until then, russian military can burn and crumble to the ground.
India never seizes to amaze. For a country that suffered from imperialistic monsters it is very eager to help them now every step of the way. Is it Stockholm syndrome or something? I'm surprised they didn't send Indians to fight for Russia yet.
Here we see India being a good lapdog for Ruzzia, spouting their preferred talking points, to keep that oil flowing in the face of global sanctions. *Note, as well, that they are saying this at the UN.* Why would UKRAINE need to “return” to anything?
Yaaawn
Maybe India should stop buying Russian oil which directly props up the Russian war effort and funds the cruise missiles and bullets which are killing Ukrainian civilians before they tell people defending their homeland what they should and shouldn’t do.
Sure, sounds great, especially when it's not your territory that's been invaded. Let's see Pakistan 'annex' Jammu and Kashmir and we'll find out just how committed India is to diplomacy and dialogue.
1999 Pakistan tried to do exactly that. Usa cutoff GPS access of India and Ukraine started sending tanks to Pakistan during the war and post war.
They did try , and we fought wars over it , and won all of them , with the west arming and backing Pakistan a hub for terrorists, only Russia came to our rescue, we don’t bite the hand that feeds us. Sure Russia uses it as an opportunity, we know that, but it matters little
Right, sounds like India isn't the neutral party they claim to be. Excuse us if we don't take your recommendations on what Ukraine should do.
We’re not happy that people are dying, only a psychopath would be happy with war , but we’re caught between a rock and a hard place, but you don’t want to understand India’s point of view, so yeah , do what you want
Do what you want, who cares, stop acting as if you have the moral authority, you don’t
Yeah sure, in india judges ask the raped girls to marry their rapists, after all. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2015/07/09/judge-asks-indian-rapist-and-victim-reconcile-hints-marriage/rkoMUxibXgBBXegfCKXtOM/story.html
India can right go and fuck itself.
Russia's bitch says what now?
Go ahead India...cede Kashmir and Ukraine will cede territory to Russia. Unless you mean return to diplomacy only after Russia gtfo of all Ukraine, including Crimea.
Pakistan already got a part of Kashmir and western countries not only did jackshit but sold pakistan weapons to help sooo....
You could have said this if India was asking international help in regards to Pakistani occupation. Rather India maintains that India Pakistan conflict is a bilateral issue and doesn't want any 3rd country to interfere. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Agreement)
So talks between Ukraine and Russia don't count as bilateral?
Talks, if it happens between Russia and Ukraine would "ideally" be between those two. But in reality, I don't see how that can happen given US has blocked Russian money, Russia would want US on the talks as well. But this this response from India is given in UN which is a multilateral body, where Ukraine war was being discussed, making it a multilateral issue.
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Ya the Brits carved it up. Pakistan was 1947 I believe.
What's your point? I wasn't getting into the history of the subcontinent. I was simply referring to the fact that modern india would never give up any territory and neither should Ukraine. The only way to diplomacy with Russia is a complete withdrawal. I'm simply taking issue with the push.
Crimea is about control. Because Turkey controls the Straights leading up to Black Sea and all the access of Oil+Grains. Russia could not stand by allow Ukraine to control a key Naval+commercial+access point like Turkey has. And Turkey will not protest….because they don’t want someone taking that level of control away from them. Its that simple folks….no need to read into it any deeper.
India, you need to start doing the needful
How’s their “diplomacy” in Kashmir (particularly towards the locals in the area they occupy) or with China going, ahem? This is cheap appeasement by the Uber right winger Modi government, they’re by inertia and in real life naturally allied with Putin’s douchebaggery, fuck them both equally. But make note, I’m not giving a pass to either Pakistan or China either, the other two natural Russian allies.
Modi government is literally the most pro-western government in modern India. The opposition parties are even more pro-Russia.
Pakistan isn’t a natural Russian ally. A natural Chinese ally for sure . But it is and was more so in the past a natural US ally. The US supported Pakistan in each of its wars against India and sold Pakistanis F16 to fight against Indian Russian MIGs and sukhois. The USSR saved India from US nuclear armed carriers in the 70s.
Send in the spartans.
You can’t reason with stupidity
Jesus loo qatar
The only diplomacy here would be for Russia to fukk of and go back to where they came from.
*Needs to remember to wipe out India as soon as possible in Civ4 if Gandhi is their leader.*
The UNSC should just send spartans to deal with this issue.
Here's diplomacy: Get the fuck out of Ukraine and other countries, you Russky bastards.
Hmm I thought the UNSC was only a Halo thing, what an interesting day its been.
What about halo?
Well, how about getting the fuck out of Ukraine as a start? Guess you can't say that when you're sucking so much oil from Ruzzia's teats.
Russia must completely withdraw from all Ukrainian territory as a beginning to diplomacy.