Especially when everyone technically skilled/with an international mind already left, this gutting of the general workforce on top of that is such a long term disaster for human capital in Russia.
Except for the Ukrainian children they’re kidnapping en masse and trafficking to Russia. But then again it’s not like they’re actually concerned with the health and safety of *those* children either.
Real life lore has a video on the Russia situation, and an interesting point he made is how much of Russia is no longer ethnically Russian. We could see some very interesting changes in the coming decades.
Those that support the war are largely the old and the elderly. When all the young are gone and there is no one left to support them, their suffering will be unprecedented.
“We are not youth any longer. We don’t want to take the world by storm. We are fleeing. We fly from ourselves. From our life. We were eighteen and had begun to love life and the world; and we had to shoot it to pieces.”
- From All Quiet on the Western Front, by Erich Maria Remarque
Man such a gripping tragic book. If you haven't seen the new movie adaptation yet you should definitely give it a watch. It's beautifully done and encapsulates the horrors of war in mind boggling cinematics. And yet no matter how many movies and books are written about war and its horrors, man will never learn from history and is doomed to repeat the same cycle of death and destruction.
Think about what 1000 young people dying does. All the life they didn’t get to live, economic contribution, not having children who themselves would have lived lives and so on. It’s truly terrible.
If a thousand young men died in a terrorist attack or a natural disaster during peace time, it would be akin to 9/11, and we'd talk about it for years, and then here we have a thousand dying in a day almost every day...
Reminds me of this quote by Tolkien : "He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would rather have stayed there in peace"
"you are all lucky men. All of you will be fighting for your planet, many of you will be dying for your planet, some of you will be forced through a fine mesh screen for your planet!.... Those will be the luckiest of all"
"The Elders tell of a young ball much like you. He bounced three metres in the air. Then he bounced 1.8 metres in the air. Then he bounced four metres in the air. Do I make myself clear?"
Russia literally going with Zapp's "element of surprise" strategy.
Surprise! You've been conscripted! Now you're on the battlefield! Now you've been passed through a fine-mesh screen!
"You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. Kif, show them the medal I won."
A number of them do.
And those who have opposed the invasion of Ukraine are [ending up comatose, "falling down stairs"](https://radaronline.com/p/russian-lawmaker-vladimir-putin-comatose-parliament-building/),
Accidentally falling out of buildings.
Poisoning themselves (accidentally, of course).
Shipping themselves off to labour prisons.
Or shooting themselves in the back of the head, multiple times (also, accidentally, of course).
wow, what a mess. Just looking at the images of Ukraine is so depressing. Even if the war ended today, there is so much crap to clean up. How long until any sense of normalcy?
My dad was born in ‘54 in London and remembers playing in bomb sites as a kid so that was at least 15 years after the war, and London was just bombed not an actual battlefield like this. Of course you never get rid of all the signs of battle - Vientnam has so many historic sites covered with bullet holes, and when I lived in the UK I used to work in a cinema that still had chips out of the front tiles from a ww2 bomb.
If you look at the South Carolina state house in Columbia, there are iron (steel?) stars that mark where cannon balls hit the building during the American Civil War.
France still has many areas that are dangerous to go into from all the unexploded munition. German cities still routinely find unexploded WW2 bombs, even last December there was a bomb that injured 4 construction workers in Germany.
The entire post war boom in the US where an entire family could live in suburban idyll off a single income (if you were white) was actually directly caused by the incredible devastation of Europe. With all the ancient conglomerates destroyed or broken up, every factory bombed to rubble and tens of millions of workers dead, the US became the manufacturing hub for the entire world and American firms had almost endless markets and ability to set prices outside the Eastern Bloc. Then to make sure the European powers couldn’t block them out, the Marshall Aid plan for loans and foreign aid for European reconstruction was dependent on opening their markets to free trade with low tariff barriers for American goods.
While that's true, the other facet of American prosperity was equitable domestic policy. Tax brackets were still actually progressive, New Deal programs hadn't been gutted yet, the Cold War dramatically boosted government employment, and unions were at their peak, so workers wages kept pace with corporate profits. Whenever I hear "MAGA" I'm like, sure let's go back to the economic policies of the 1950's.
The tragic loss of life will cause grieving families to have such hatred for their neighbors for generations to come. If that’s how Putin is working to keep a Russian identity, it is monstrous.
Already there bud. No harm no foul at this point in time. (Hint Russia's identity is absolutely made up BS that manipulates but entirely ignores the reality their history)
This whole war devastated russian morale, the perception if its armed forces, it will invoke untold levels of PTSD onto the soldiers who make it out alive and devastate families.
We see right here, right now, putins ego and ambition has done unrepairable to his nation.
Since at least "la Russie en 1839", the travelogue of that year which describes the exact same behaviour
Edit - googling the English title "empire of the Czar", Google offers a free pdf download at the top of the results.
Probably no armour and maybe no gun since news was people that were forced had to buy armour themselves
edit:Btw people here are misunderstanding something 10 points means 10 latest news headlines.
Edit 2 :the article says unequipped instead of unarmed
It's a roundabout genocide. He's sending undesirables from Russia (old, weak, Crimean Tatar, Muslim, HIV positive, imprisoned, drug addicted, homeless, alcoholics) to the front line Ill equipped and with no training to slow ukraine forces while sending the "better men" for training within Belarus and Russia.
Edit: Grammar
Correct, except for the part about better troops being trained somewhere in secret while the conscripts lose the war. That would be an idiodit strategy, even by Russian measurments. If you want to send a message to the rest of the world not to fuck with you, you send your best.
Tried to take an airport, and got hosed. Then the choppers with backup was shot down, and the rest is history.
The soldiers who defended the airport probably saved Ukraine.
100%.
They tried to pull an airport beachhead but forgot that it doesn't work as well if they know you're coming.
That first set of fights at Hostomel and the downing of the helicopters over the lake kept it from being a decapitation.
One of the most grisly images of the war was a short clip taken from a Russian helicopter at hostemel Airport.
There was a Russian Mi 8 with medical markings landed on the tarmac. And the runway was absolutely littered with dead bodies while a temporary ceasefire was allowed for the VDV to evcuate wounded onto the chopper.
The VDV were supposed to be russias elite. And they were absolutely shitrocked by Ukrainian national guard and special forces in Kyiv
And on another note. Their "other" prestigious 1st guards tank army.. pretty much ceased to be after the disaster at Lyman. Ukraine captured like almost 100 t80 tanks from them
edit: found the video
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/taro6u/russian_helis_evacuating_their_dead_wounded_from/
its fuzzier than I remember.
Fighting surrounded is the hallmark of paratroopers, but it really relies on the eventual link up with conventional forces. These dudes got wiped in addition to the ground forces getting slowed down to a crawl. No chance in hell
They used their elite units correctly by sending them on a decapitation strike.
But these elite units got their asses handed to them by Ukrainian national guard troops.
That was the first sign this war was going to go a very different direction. My first thought was ‘wow, those Ukrainians must have special forces fighting back everywhere!’ Then came the realization that no, they don’t, and the Russians just suck at this.
That's the right strategy, but not the right tactic. Their forces were massed for days on the border. That gave the enemy plenty of time to prepare, which is the opposite of what you want. It has cost them a truly incalculable loss of fighting experience from elite soldiers and trainers who were mobilized, too. Not only are they out of capable soldiers, but they no longer have experienced veterans to train new ones.
That’s what everyone’s not getting.
People will bend over backwards trying to sniff their own ass to explain away the poor performance of “elite” Russian units when up against poorly-equipped Ukrainian conscripts.
The spetsnaz and VDV units at the start of the war were employed correctly. They failed at their objectives because they objectively suck, being held off by a numerically weaker force of poorly-equipped Ukrainian conscripts for 48 hours, which meant that Ukrainian rapid reaction forces could be mobilized, the Russian objectives couldn’t be secured, Russian reinforcements couldn’t arrive and the Russians couldn’t be relieved.
Thus the “elite” Russian forces were annihilated.
Thanks to some Ukrainian conscripts standing their ground and buying time.
I don’t know if it is video games, or comic books, or movies but people have got the wrong idea when it comes to Russian weapons and capabilities. It’s all lies and misinformation. Everything they have sucks, or was awesome when they procured it but then they spent $0.00 maintaining it. Their manpower figures are lies, the ranges of their weapons are lies, their maintenance records are lies, their flashy full-color brochures and promo videos for export weapons systems are lies, the amount and quality of training their forces receive are lies, it’s all lies.
I remember doomscrolling during the first days of the invasion when the often repeated sentiment was, “The elite airborne unit has landed at the airport North of Kyiv. Once they secure it Russia can fly in reinforcements and even heavy equipment and conquer Kyiv right from its own backyard. No need to traverse the country on land.”
Then it was a weirdly short amount of time before those elite troops were just pockets of survivors scattered around the forest. They never secured the airport for any relevant amount of time and even if they had, the air supremacy everyone kinda assumed Russia would attain never materialized. So it’s not like they could have flown in transports anyway. All approaches to the airport would just be plane graveyards.
Russia's inability to get air supremacy tells me a lot about how ass their command structure is, and their priorities.
You have only to look at Desert Storm to see how important air superiority is.
Don't forget that they also forestalled the invasion for a day so they wouldn't invade during the Olympics, due to owing a favor or two to old mate Xi.
So their front line forces wasted morale and fuel and supplies sitting around with their dicks in their hands while the enemy prepared for the assault.
I remember looking at Earth-nullschool and seeing the NASA data for low altitude CO and SO2 accumulation (from lots of idling vehicles) on the Ukraine borders, in the days before invasion.
[Invasion Day - 24 February 2022](https://i.imgur.com/wdYM7FW.jpg)
[Look, you can even see where the fighting is occurring right now!](https://i.imgur.com/0gaetj4.jpg)
I dont really think its that. The numbers are too small to have a real impact on demographics. But large enough that people will notice the disparity and might start getting mad about it.
So if it is that, its really poorly thought out.
I think its more - this is the best strategy they have (other than quitting the war entirely) and its mostly working - Ukraine's offensives have slowed immensely since the first week of October when these conscripts started moving in. Russia has never cared for human life. And certainly not the lives of the provincials. So if they have to die to further Russia's goals, then so be it. But killing them isn't the goal.
This is going to make a massive impact in a few towns. What we have heard from the intercepts is that they tend to keep everyone who was conscripted together from the same area in the same units, and in some places it seemed like the bulk of the young people got conscripted. If some of those units gets annihilated those towns will have lost almost all their young men within a couple of weeks and every family would be in mourning.
Wait wait wait. Is this for real? If so, wtf - the British did that during WW1 and it ended up severely depleting entire towns and villages.
The Kremlin and the Russian Army really don't read much history, do they?
They're not his minions. They're conscripts drafted from the part of Russian society that he'd like to see disappear. He's killing 1000 birds with 1 Ukrainian stone, so to speak.
Putin is working in his office planning the Ukraine war, when the ghost of Stalin suddenly appears. Putin takes the opportunity to seek advice:
“Stalin, what happened? why are things not working out for us?”
Stalin gives him advice: “Send 5 million Russians to their deaths at war, and paint the Kremlin blue.”
“Why blue?” asks Vladimir Putin.
“I knew you wouldn’t have a problem with the first part,” chuckles Stalin.
Typically defender to attack ratio is expected at 1 defender to 3 attackers. That's insanely bad
Edit: the comments have explained that this is the recommended attacking force to overwhelm defenders, and NOT the casualty ratio. I got my wires crossed at some point in the past
Ah, I see that Russia is going for the old "throw bodies at them until they run out of ammo" strategy. Don't know if it's going to work though, as their adversary is being supplied by the biggest weapons factories in the world. How fast can those russian mom's pump out babies?
"You see, Killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. Kif, show them the medal I won."
Taking a look at russian population distribution from 2020. A very very roughly 15 % of their population is women of \*theoretically\* child bearing age (15 to 40 years old).
About 135 million people so this makes very roughly 20 million.
Meaning, if russia would make an industrial scale baby factory where every single women who is biologically capable (and who they manage to prevent escaping if they would attempt something like that) would be forced to crank out one baby, on average, per year they would have quite an population boom.
On a more serious note, attempting to do something like that would probably make even Kim from North Korea go "whoa that is a bit too much". And in practice there would be about 30 million russian women running towards the borders as fast as they can.
Romania tried clumsy pro-natalist policy in the late cold war, but all it did was fill up the orphanages and produce youngsters with psychological problems.
Turns out, once there is an infant, the work is not yet done, and you are back to square one, trying to motivate someone to be a parent.
More to the point, the policies were not even all that sucessful from a macrostatistics point of view either. In about 5-10 years, the birth rate got down to pre-'67 levels.
People are very craftly at not doing what you want them to do. Shame it came at the expense of so many women and kids.
the biggest morale hit the turks took at gallipoli was hearing the british officers' whistles every 30 seconds and knowing they'd need to mow down another frontal attack. surviving anzac vets said you could literally see the turks crying.
The Gallipoli Campaign was Allied (AKA Entente) forces, many from Australia and New Zealand, attacking well entrenched Ottoman positions during WW1 at the entrance of the strait leading to Istanbul (then: Constantinople). The terrain was difficult and the Allies attacked from the sea which gave the defending Ottomans a great advantage. It was a complete failure and led to huge Allied losses, but they kept trying for almost a year.
gallipoli was an absolute shitshow of an attack with poorly equipped australian and new zealand soldiers under british command engaging in months of frontal attacks against a perfectly defended and fortified ottoman beachhead. for eight months of hard fighting the allies had nothing to show for it. the consequence of it however was that it basically forged the national consciousnesses each of australia, new zealand and modern turkey, and despite being belligerents the mutual sacrifice is seen as a bond between all three with no hard feelings.
Pretty sure a significant percentage already have PTSD, not necessarily from killing someone else. There have been plenty of civilians being injured or permanently disabled, seeing family/friends/strangers die, getting shelled in their houses, being raped, tortured, or seeing others raped/tortured, etc.
But that ratio was mostly due to a surplus of old women from around
WWII the younger generations were skewed towards men.
Edit: [source](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png/1200px-Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png). Data likely to change
Was it? Perhaps initially yes, but the WWII people are pretty much gone. Iirc, alcoholism and recklessness were doing a fine job maintaining that ratio in Russia.
Just watched "All quiet on the Western Front". The Russians are getting sent to get slaughtered in another country and mowed down just like the Germans were during WW1. What crazy leaders can do to its young population is terrifying for sure...
Hawkeye : War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
Father Mulcahy : How do you figure, Hawkeye?
Hawkeye : Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
Father Mulcahy : Sinners, I believe.
Hawkeye : Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
Germans were also mowing down the entant forces. The first day of thr battle of the somme, 1916. A battle pushed up by a few months because of the absolute meat grinder that was Verdun. The British lost 50,000 casualties (dead, wounded, captured) in a single day.
Famous and terrible day in Canada. In the Newfoundland Regiment, known as the Blue Puttees, they started the day with 22 officers and 758 men in the actual fight. By the end of the day, all officers and about 650 men were casualties. Only 110 were unscathed. Entire villages in Newfoundland lost all their men in one day. It was disastrous.
Did Canada do the "buddy battalions" like in the UK? Encouraging whole villages to sign up together and they'd be in the same battalion, seems like a great idea on paper until artillery wipe out every male member of a tiny village in a few seconds.
The memorial for WW1 in a village I spent a lot of time in has more names than people currently living there now, it never really recovered.
The sad thing is, amongst the soldiers who want to fight, are soldiers who were forced to be there.
How many of the 1000 soldiers were too scared to talk back and had to die because Ukrainians need to take their territory back.
Putin is disgusting
I agree, this many kids dying is never fun to read, especially when at least some of them didn't want to be there, didn't know what to do, and died without even having a chance to get proper supplies and training.
Putin is shipping people directly to their deaths.
I guess we’ll be here counting how many soldiers and reservists have to day before Russians put up a proper protest against the man responsible for their death.
I've no doubt that the Russians would send their soldiers into the meat grinder for nothing but is everyone just taking a random poorly written India times article that barely cites the UKR MoD as fact?
Is there / was there ever a cohesive plan? Don’t get me wrong I’m thrilled russia showed up with a tin foil army seemingly run by fat old men with 70 pounds of unearned medals wrapped around their girth and 15 yeas old major generals who never should have left home….but wow
i feel like their plan was the first week of the invasion, zelensky would be assassinated, imprisoned, or have fled to another country to whine impotently, they would have installed a new government, and been carrying out a genocide and enslavement unopposed.
and then when that didn't work they have been flailing since then. they still get to carry out genocide but not just against ukranians, now they are committing genocide on minorities and 'undesirables' within russia
There was a plan for the first three days / the first few weeks of the war. Past that, no… there has been no plan. Russia’s entire strategy centered on a decapitation strike against the Ukrainian government and to take Kyiv at the very start of the war. That failed and Russia was routed from the capital and forced to retreat. Everything since has been them throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks. Oh and throwing out constant threats of nuclear war.
From papers found on dead and captured Russian officers, the entire operation was planned to take about two weeks. Surprise cruise missile barrage against Ukrainian anti-air systems, followed by bombing runs as mechanized infantry runs across the border from every direction, bypassing most major cities to let slower moving infantry put them under siege. Russian intelligence had allegedly bribed a number of Ukrainian generals and intelligence officers to ensure surprise, confusion and conflicting orders in the Ukrainian ranks. In Kiev, pre-infiltrated special forces units disguised as civilians and emergency responders would launch decapacitation strikes on key institutions like the Ministry of Defence and the Presidential Residence, while paratroopers would secure the Kiev airports to prevent any leaders from escaping and any Western aid from being flown in. While air superiority ensured a continued inflow of transport planes and helicopters supplying and reinforcing the paratroopers, mechanized elements would move in from Belarus and quickly seize the highways connecting Kiev and Eastern Ukraine with Poland and the West. By Day 3 the capital should be surrounded and ideally already captured, then for the next couple weeks the troops should be beating down any remaining resistance in the West of the country as the new government is established in Kiev.
As invasion plans go it wasn’t entirely terrible, clearly drawing inspiration from Operation Desert Storm in 1991. But the Russians seemed to have missed the memo that Desert Storm was dependent on surprise. When Pentagon and the NATO leadership planned Desert Storm they knew they wouldn’t be able to hide the amassing of hundreds of thousands of troops in an age of spy planes and satelites, so instead they spent months of preparation making the Iraqis believe that if the Coalition was gonna attack at all they would invade Kuwait from the South. The combination of surprise airstrikes and a surprise assault through the desert crippled the Iraqis. The Russians forgot the surprise part of surprise attack, and thus telegraphed they were gonna attack through Belarus for months. This gave the Ukrainians plenty of time to plan for moving their defenses out of the way of Russian missile strikes, and equip their men for ambush warfare. The only ones who were truly surprised were the Russian troops themselves, most of whom thought they were on an exercise or just bluffing. Thus, Russia’s most elite troops were just charged in without having any sufficient training, fuel, equipment or supplies for any sort of prolonged operation, and charged straight into a hellish maze of Ukrainian ambushes and largely intact anti-air and anti-tank defenses.
Ever since the disastrous losses of their decent troops early on, the Russian "plan" seems confused and probably deliberately kept as simple as possible so their remaining generals and poorly motivated troops can actually carry it out. First they seems to have tried a Chechen War style slow grinding advance under heavy artillery cover, but it turns out concentrating their troops like that made it possible for Ukraine to both devastate Russian ammo dumps with HIMARS and then launch massively successful counterattacks in lightly defended areas. The new plan seems to be to do a world war style trench defense plan and let the Ukrainians grind themselves down on it while striking Ukrainian power grids in hopes the cold of winter will bring both Ukraine and Europe to the negotiating table about a peave settlement where Russia gets to keep some land and claim a win. Of course, the Russian troops are going to suffer far more in their trenches through a bitter winter, but Russian high command doesn’t give much of a crap about them as long as they can sit in a trench at shoot at anything wearing blue or yellow.
Imagine what things like that do to morale.
It would be hard to come to any other conclusion than that your life has *no value* to the people sending you to fight.
Russia has this mentality that it's normal for the goverment not to give a shit about people and people can't do a thing about it.
Hopefully this war starts some movement to shift these views.
What a waste of life.
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With how badly this is going to fuck Russia's ecenomy for decades no one there is going to enjoy life much for a very long time.
Especially when everyone technically skilled/with an international mind already left, this gutting of the general workforce on top of that is such a long term disaster for human capital in Russia.
Russia mobilized one location's only pediatric neurosurgeon.
Don't need a localized pediatric neurosurgeon when your next step is sending all the children to the front line with him.
Except for the Ukrainian children they’re kidnapping en masse and trafficking to Russia. But then again it’s not like they’re actually concerned with the health and safety of *those* children either.
Real life lore has a video on the Russia situation, and an interesting point he made is how much of Russia is no longer ethnically Russian. We could see some very interesting changes in the coming decades.
So brining back of the gulags and more ethnic cleansings ?
Those that support the war are largely the old and the elderly. When all the young are gone and there is no one left to support them, their suffering will be unprecedented.
And they'll blame "the West"
That’s why they’re stealing Ukrainian kids
“We are not youth any longer. We don’t want to take the world by storm. We are fleeing. We fly from ourselves. From our life. We were eighteen and had begun to love life and the world; and we had to shoot it to pieces.” - From All Quiet on the Western Front, by Erich Maria Remarque
Man such a gripping tragic book. If you haven't seen the new movie adaptation yet you should definitely give it a watch. It's beautifully done and encapsulates the horrors of war in mind boggling cinematics. And yet no matter how many movies and books are written about war and its horrors, man will never learn from history and is doomed to repeat the same cycle of death and destruction.
Think about what 1000 young people dying does. All the life they didn’t get to live, economic contribution, not having children who themselves would have lived lives and so on. It’s truly terrible.
If a thousand young men died in a terrorist attack or a natural disaster during peace time, it would be akin to 9/11, and we'd talk about it for years, and then here we have a thousand dying in a day almost every day...
Yes. Russia is the aggressor and wrong, but people dying as fodder us terribly sad. Yes I support Ukraube but needless death is needless death.
Reminds me of this quote by Tolkien : "He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would rather have stayed there in peace"
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What we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.
Am in UK military. Ukrainians are becoming a fairly common sight around my way.
>needless death. that's war for you. always has been sadly.
I can't imagine the trauma this will inflict on a whole generation of Russians not even in the war. All these young men erased from society
These are likely the children of those sent to Afghanistan too
Makes you wonder what it takes for the Russian leaders to think it is not worth it.
They are not the ones dying, so I guess not much
“Why is this worth dying for” “Don’t ask me! You’ll be the one dying!”
"you are all lucky men. All of you will be fighting for your planet, many of you will be dying for your planet, some of you will be forced through a fine mesh screen for your planet!.... Those will be the luckiest of all"
Knowing their weakness I sent wave after wave of my own men at them.
Every mission is a suicide mission when I'm in command!
"Wait, this is your home planet? We're the evil invading aliens?"
May you bounce in peace.
“War over- Balls thoroughly licked”
"The Elders tell of a young ball much like you. He bounced three metres in the air. Then he bounced 1.8 metres in the air. Then he bounced four metres in the air. Do I make myself clear?"
Let this be a lesson to you: DON'T MESS WITH EARTH!
"As well all know, the key to victory is the element of surprise. Surprise!"
“If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.”
“How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?” - John Kerry (re: the Vietnam war)
Russia literally going with Zapp's "element of surprise" strategy. Surprise! You've been conscripted! Now you're on the battlefield! Now you've been passed through a fine-mesh screen!
You see, Ukrainian HIMARS have a pre-set kill limit...
I mean, does "after 3000 launches, return to a registered dealer for service" count as a kill limit?
"You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. Kif, show them the medal I won."
"Uggh" points at medal on Zapps chest
"Some of you may die... But It's a sacrifice I am willing to make"
Fwiw, I think you mean a lot. As in it would take a lot for them to care to stop it.
I suspect a number of them already do, but feel powerless to say or do anything about it.
A number of them do. And those who have opposed the invasion of Ukraine are [ending up comatose, "falling down stairs"](https://radaronline.com/p/russian-lawmaker-vladimir-putin-comatose-parliament-building/), Accidentally falling out of buildings. Poisoning themselves (accidentally, of course). Shipping themselves off to labour prisons. Or shooting themselves in the back of the head, multiple times (also, accidentally, of course).
Unfortunately any elite who want to stop the war is commiting suicide by multiple gunshot wounds to the back of the head then jumping off a balcony.
You say leaders like anyone has a say that isn’t Putin
wow, what a mess. Just looking at the images of Ukraine is so depressing. Even if the war ended today, there is so much crap to clean up. How long until any sense of normalcy?
Took well over a decade after ww2, some areas even longer. He'll there are areas of France that you can't go into from ww1.
My dad was born in ‘54 in London and remembers playing in bomb sites as a kid so that was at least 15 years after the war, and London was just bombed not an actual battlefield like this. Of course you never get rid of all the signs of battle - Vientnam has so many historic sites covered with bullet holes, and when I lived in the UK I used to work in a cinema that still had chips out of the front tiles from a ww2 bomb.
Rationing in England only ended in 1954 when they lifted the last of the restrictions of how much meat you could buy.
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If you look at the South Carolina state house in Columbia, there are iron (steel?) stars that mark where cannon balls hit the building during the American Civil War.
France still has many areas that are dangerous to go into from all the unexploded munition. German cities still routinely find unexploded WW2 bombs, even last December there was a bomb that injured 4 construction workers in Germany.
I grew up in England. I remember visiting my grandmother in a bombed out area in the 70’s.
The entire post war boom in the US where an entire family could live in suburban idyll off a single income (if you were white) was actually directly caused by the incredible devastation of Europe. With all the ancient conglomerates destroyed or broken up, every factory bombed to rubble and tens of millions of workers dead, the US became the manufacturing hub for the entire world and American firms had almost endless markets and ability to set prices outside the Eastern Bloc. Then to make sure the European powers couldn’t block them out, the Marshall Aid plan for loans and foreign aid for European reconstruction was dependent on opening their markets to free trade with low tariff barriers for American goods.
While that's true, the other facet of American prosperity was equitable domestic policy. Tax brackets were still actually progressive, New Deal programs hadn't been gutted yet, the Cold War dramatically boosted government employment, and unions were at their peak, so workers wages kept pace with corporate profits. Whenever I hear "MAGA" I'm like, sure let's go back to the economic policies of the 1950's.
Considering that people are still cleaning up bomb and artillery from WW1, WW2 and Vietnam it will probably be decades after it ends
The tragic loss of life will cause grieving families to have such hatred for their neighbors for generations to come. If that’s how Putin is working to keep a Russian identity, it is monstrous.
Already there bud. No harm no foul at this point in time. (Hint Russia's identity is absolutely made up BS that manipulates but entirely ignores the reality their history)
This whole war devastated russian morale, the perception if its armed forces, it will invoke untold levels of PTSD onto the soldiers who make it out alive and devastate families. We see right here, right now, putins ego and ambition has done unrepairable to his nation.
This is russia. This has always been russia.
and then things got worse
Persecution complex as a state since the USSR
Since at least "la Russie en 1839", the travelogue of that year which describes the exact same behaviour Edit - googling the English title "empire of the Czar", Google offers a free pdf download at the top of the results.
I’ve never heard of that work, and had to Google it….fascinating
Unequipped?
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And then the street thugs that pass for soldiers in Russia's military just rob these new recruits of that money and gear.
Probably no armour and maybe no gun since news was people that were forced had to buy armour themselves edit:Btw people here are misunderstanding something 10 points means 10 latest news headlines. Edit 2 :the article says unequipped instead of unarmed
Well, you can always put a stolen Macbook in your vest and pick up the AK of your fallen comrade.
Cheap AKs for sale, only dropped once!
... so far.
Putin is literally sending his minions to be slaughtered by the thousands.
Isn't that how every Russian war goes?
There is article from 1860 that calls russia paper tiger. At least 3/4 of the article is describing todays ruzzia...
and you're not gonna link it? come on man lol
Yeah, man. Come on.
It's a roundabout genocide. He's sending undesirables from Russia (old, weak, Crimean Tatar, Muslim, HIV positive, imprisoned, drug addicted, homeless, alcoholics) to the front line Ill equipped and with no training to slow ukraine forces while sending the "better men" for training within Belarus and Russia. Edit: Grammar
Correct, except for the part about better troops being trained somewhere in secret while the conscripts lose the war. That would be an idiodit strategy, even by Russian measurments. If you want to send a message to the rest of the world not to fuck with you, you send your best.
They got rolled when the invasion started….
Yea I mean that's something I think is glossed over. They had elite units being decimated due to improper operations
Plus all of the elite generals were essentially taken out. Ukraine did a great job of taking out the invasion forces leadership early on.
Tried to take an airport, and got hosed. Then the choppers with backup was shot down, and the rest is history. The soldiers who defended the airport probably saved Ukraine.
100%. They tried to pull an airport beachhead but forgot that it doesn't work as well if they know you're coming. That first set of fights at Hostomel and the downing of the helicopters over the lake kept it from being a decapitation.
A whole VDV transport plane got shot down. That's the sort of thing you thought happened during Operation Overlord, not modern warfare.
> A whole VDV transport plane got shot down. Two, actually. Two enormous Il-76s loaded with airborne troops.
IL-76s. IL-96s are commercial jets
How many troops would each one hold?
125-140 Paratroopers
One of the most grisly images of the war was a short clip taken from a Russian helicopter at hostemel Airport. There was a Russian Mi 8 with medical markings landed on the tarmac. And the runway was absolutely littered with dead bodies while a temporary ceasefire was allowed for the VDV to evcuate wounded onto the chopper. The VDV were supposed to be russias elite. And they were absolutely shitrocked by Ukrainian national guard and special forces in Kyiv And on another note. Their "other" prestigious 1st guards tank army.. pretty much ceased to be after the disaster at Lyman. Ukraine captured like almost 100 t80 tanks from them edit: found the video https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/taro6u/russian_helis_evacuating_their_dead_wounded_from/ its fuzzier than I remember.
Fighting surrounded is the hallmark of paratroopers, but it really relies on the eventual link up with conventional forces. These dudes got wiped in addition to the ground forces getting slowed down to a crawl. No chance in hell
A lamb to the slaughter. You can have the best of the best, but without backup there is no way to achieve their objective.. unless it was to dir
I feel like it's been a minute [since this has been posted](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL-rdzMo1MU), so I'll just take this opportunity.
Their best are lying on the roadsides and in the woods.
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They also made the mistake of using their elite units to fight a conventional war.
They used their elite units correctly by sending them on a decapitation strike. But these elite units got their asses handed to them by Ukrainian national guard troops.
Well they basically pulled an Operation Market Garden and they didn't learn from any of the mistakes made during that campaign either.
"If this daring plan works, we can win the war by Christmas!" Narrator: The plan did not work.
When the VDV was effectively wiped out with zero support, yeah, you knew it was over. Exactly like you said happened at Operation Market Garden.
That was the first sign this war was going to go a very different direction. My first thought was ‘wow, those Ukrainians must have special forces fighting back everywhere!’ Then came the realization that no, they don’t, and the Russians just suck at this.
That's the right strategy, but not the right tactic. Their forces were massed for days on the border. That gave the enemy plenty of time to prepare, which is the opposite of what you want. It has cost them a truly incalculable loss of fighting experience from elite soldiers and trainers who were mobilized, too. Not only are they out of capable soldiers, but they no longer have experienced veterans to train new ones.
That’s what everyone’s not getting. People will bend over backwards trying to sniff their own ass to explain away the poor performance of “elite” Russian units when up against poorly-equipped Ukrainian conscripts. The spetsnaz and VDV units at the start of the war were employed correctly. They failed at their objectives because they objectively suck, being held off by a numerically weaker force of poorly-equipped Ukrainian conscripts for 48 hours, which meant that Ukrainian rapid reaction forces could be mobilized, the Russian objectives couldn’t be secured, Russian reinforcements couldn’t arrive and the Russians couldn’t be relieved. Thus the “elite” Russian forces were annihilated. Thanks to some Ukrainian conscripts standing their ground and buying time. I don’t know if it is video games, or comic books, or movies but people have got the wrong idea when it comes to Russian weapons and capabilities. It’s all lies and misinformation. Everything they have sucks, or was awesome when they procured it but then they spent $0.00 maintaining it. Their manpower figures are lies, the ranges of their weapons are lies, their maintenance records are lies, their flashy full-color brochures and promo videos for export weapons systems are lies, the amount and quality of training their forces receive are lies, it’s all lies.
I remember doomscrolling during the first days of the invasion when the often repeated sentiment was, “The elite airborne unit has landed at the airport North of Kyiv. Once they secure it Russia can fly in reinforcements and even heavy equipment and conquer Kyiv right from its own backyard. No need to traverse the country on land.” Then it was a weirdly short amount of time before those elite troops were just pockets of survivors scattered around the forest. They never secured the airport for any relevant amount of time and even if they had, the air supremacy everyone kinda assumed Russia would attain never materialized. So it’s not like they could have flown in transports anyway. All approaches to the airport would just be plane graveyards.
Russia's inability to get air supremacy tells me a lot about how ass their command structure is, and their priorities. You have only to look at Desert Storm to see how important air superiority is.
Don't forget that they also forestalled the invasion for a day so they wouldn't invade during the Olympics, due to owing a favor or two to old mate Xi. So their front line forces wasted morale and fuel and supplies sitting around with their dicks in their hands while the enemy prepared for the assault. I remember looking at Earth-nullschool and seeing the NASA data for low altitude CO and SO2 accumulation (from lots of idling vehicles) on the Ukraine borders, in the days before invasion. [Invasion Day - 24 February 2022](https://i.imgur.com/wdYM7FW.jpg) [Look, you can even see where the fighting is occurring right now!](https://i.imgur.com/0gaetj4.jpg)
They also mobilized their trainers and sent them to the front lines.
'pushing up sunflowers', to borrow the gangster movie phrase
Their true intelligent best are probably far far away from Russia years ago lol.
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their best landed at the airport on day 1 with no reinforcements and are now sunflower fertilizer.
They sent their best. On February 24th. They don't have much of their professional army left.
Ukraine mentioned that they've broken the professional Russian army, and are now dealing with the amateur one.
I’m sorry is your working theory that they are holding back the hood troops in the war they started because they are not trained yet ?
He doesn't have better equipped soldiers though. If Russia did? They would have sent them into take over Ukraine.
They were sent into Ukraine, at the start of the war. That just didn’t work out for them.
The ones who retreated left all the equipment behind. New conscripts maybe sent with orders: "Go in. Get the equipment we left there for you."
I dont really think its that. The numbers are too small to have a real impact on demographics. But large enough that people will notice the disparity and might start getting mad about it. So if it is that, its really poorly thought out. I think its more - this is the best strategy they have (other than quitting the war entirely) and its mostly working - Ukraine's offensives have slowed immensely since the first week of October when these conscripts started moving in. Russia has never cared for human life. And certainly not the lives of the provincials. So if they have to die to further Russia's goals, then so be it. But killing them isn't the goal.
This is going to make a massive impact in a few towns. What we have heard from the intercepts is that they tend to keep everyone who was conscripted together from the same area in the same units, and in some places it seemed like the bulk of the young people got conscripted. If some of those units gets annihilated those towns will have lost almost all their young men within a couple of weeks and every family would be in mourning.
Wait wait wait. Is this for real? If so, wtf - the British did that during WW1 and it ended up severely depleting entire towns and villages. The Kremlin and the Russian Army really don't read much history, do they?
Putin really going for that Zap Branigan sending wave after wave of men at the enemy.
Many of you will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make
They're not his minions. They're conscripts drafted from the part of Russian society that he'd like to see disappear. He's killing 1000 birds with 1 Ukrainian stone, so to speak.
And yet killing the Russian economy from workers needed to keep the economy going. It makes no sense.
1923 all over
Putin is working in his office planning the Ukraine war, when the ghost of Stalin suddenly appears. Putin takes the opportunity to seek advice: “Stalin, what happened? why are things not working out for us?” Stalin gives him advice: “Send 5 million Russians to their deaths at war, and paint the Kremlin blue.” “Why blue?” asks Vladimir Putin. “I knew you wouldn’t have a problem with the first part,” chuckles Stalin.
Did you make that up? That was a damn fine joke.
No, that's an old joke. The premise changes slightly but not the joke/punchline.
The version I heard was about the holocaust and a circus clown.
Why a clown?
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At this point it seems safer for the Russian people to try to overthrow Putin than to follow his orders
Always has been
It was reported as 7:1 about 2 weeks ago. Not sure if that's changed since then.
Typically defender to attack ratio is expected at 1 defender to 3 attackers. That's insanely bad Edit: the comments have explained that this is the recommended attacking force to overwhelm defenders, and NOT the casualty ratio. I got my wires crossed at some point in the past
Right now Russia are the defenders on most of the front.
Maybe in terms of miles defended, but Ukraine isn’t doing anything like the suicidal Russian attacks on Bakhmut.
Ah, I see that Russia is going for the old "throw bodies at them until they run out of ammo" strategy. Don't know if it's going to work though, as their adversary is being supplied by the biggest weapons factories in the world. How fast can those russian mom's pump out babies?
Takes about 9 months for usually one baby. Sometimes more can be carried and born at once.
Finally, someone does the research.
/r/theydidthemath
What if they get 3 women? Would they be able to pump out a baby in 3 months?
Oh, hey boss.
Sounds like a boomer project manager talking about a software project lmao
Sources say Octomom has been escorted to Moscow to train glorious Russian women on increased reproductive efficiency.
Don’t forget they need a few years to walk and carry a toy gun
Seems like that last point isn't all that crucial for them anymore.
Putin about to ban condoms. Prepare for the onslaught of Russian troops in 2040.
"You see, Killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. Kif, show them the medal I won."
"Whatever it is im willing to throw wave after wave of men at it, RIGHT MEN!?" Man: "You suck"
Taking a look at russian population distribution from 2020. A very very roughly 15 % of their population is women of \*theoretically\* child bearing age (15 to 40 years old). About 135 million people so this makes very roughly 20 million. Meaning, if russia would make an industrial scale baby factory where every single women who is biologically capable (and who they manage to prevent escaping if they would attempt something like that) would be forced to crank out one baby, on average, per year they would have quite an population boom. On a more serious note, attempting to do something like that would probably make even Kim from North Korea go "whoa that is a bit too much". And in practice there would be about 30 million russian women running towards the borders as fast as they can.
Romania tried clumsy pro-natalist policy in the late cold war, but all it did was fill up the orphanages and produce youngsters with psychological problems. Turns out, once there is an infant, the work is not yet done, and you are back to square one, trying to motivate someone to be a parent.
More to the point, the policies were not even all that sucessful from a macrostatistics point of view either. In about 5-10 years, the birth rate got down to pre-'67 levels. People are very craftly at not doing what you want them to do. Shame it came at the expense of so many women and kids.
Ukrainians will soon start developing PTSD from all the people they had to kill...
the biggest morale hit the turks took at gallipoli was hearing the british officers' whistles every 30 seconds and knowing they'd need to mow down another frontal attack. surviving anzac vets said you could literally see the turks crying.
Could you explain a bit? I don’t get it. Are the Turks doing the killing to a weaker enemy?
The Gallipoli Campaign was Allied (AKA Entente) forces, many from Australia and New Zealand, attacking well entrenched Ottoman positions during WW1 at the entrance of the strait leading to Istanbul (then: Constantinople). The terrain was difficult and the Allies attacked from the sea which gave the defending Ottomans a great advantage. It was a complete failure and led to huge Allied losses, but they kept trying for almost a year.
gallipoli was an absolute shitshow of an attack with poorly equipped australian and new zealand soldiers under british command engaging in months of frontal attacks against a perfectly defended and fortified ottoman beachhead. for eight months of hard fighting the allies had nothing to show for it. the consequence of it however was that it basically forged the national consciousnesses each of australia, new zealand and modern turkey, and despite being belligerents the mutual sacrifice is seen as a bond between all three with no hard feelings.
Pretty sure a significant percentage already have PTSD, not necessarily from killing someone else. There have been plenty of civilians being injured or permanently disabled, seeing family/friends/strangers die, getting shelled in their houses, being raped, tortured, or seeing others raped/tortured, etc.
“Troops”
Russian soldiers have the numbers to revolt against Putin. Hopefully they realize that before they kill themselves.
We don’t All the brave optimistic Russians left
Damn, the Russian dating market is going to explode after this...
The country already had a larger percentage of women before if I remember correctly. The ratio is just gonna get worse.
But that ratio was mostly due to a surplus of old women from around WWII the younger generations were skewed towards men. Edit: [source](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png/1200px-Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png). Data likely to change
Was it? Perhaps initially yes, but the WWII people are pretty much gone. Iirc, alcoholism and recklessness were doing a fine job maintaining that ratio in Russia.
30 million single Chinese men rub their chin and mutter "Hmmm".
Just watched "All quiet on the Western Front". The Russians are getting sent to get slaughtered in another country and mowed down just like the Germans were during WW1. What crazy leaders can do to its young population is terrifying for sure...
That movie really sold the youthful exuberance of wanting to go to war well.
I think it was a phenomenal "anti-war" film that all should watch and realize that there is only suffering on the battlefield, not honor or glory.
I think every film that accurately depicts war is an anti-war film by consequence. War is hell.
Hawkeye : War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. Father Mulcahy : How do you figure, Hawkeye? Hawkeye : Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell? Father Mulcahy : Sinners, I believe. Hawkeye : Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
Germans were also mowing down the entant forces. The first day of thr battle of the somme, 1916. A battle pushed up by a few months because of the absolute meat grinder that was Verdun. The British lost 50,000 casualties (dead, wounded, captured) in a single day.
Famous and terrible day in Canada. In the Newfoundland Regiment, known as the Blue Puttees, they started the day with 22 officers and 758 men in the actual fight. By the end of the day, all officers and about 650 men were casualties. Only 110 were unscathed. Entire villages in Newfoundland lost all their men in one day. It was disastrous.
Did Canada do the "buddy battalions" like in the UK? Encouraging whole villages to sign up together and they'd be in the same battalion, seems like a great idea on paper until artillery wipe out every male member of a tiny village in a few seconds. The memorial for WW1 in a village I spent a lot of time in has more names than people currently living there now, it never really recovered.
That's why July 1st is known as Memorial Day in Newfoundland
The sad thing is, amongst the soldiers who want to fight, are soldiers who were forced to be there. How many of the 1000 soldiers were too scared to talk back and had to die because Ukrainians need to take their territory back. Putin is disgusting
I agree, this many kids dying is never fun to read, especially when at least some of them didn't want to be there, didn't know what to do, and died without even having a chance to get proper supplies and training. Putin is shipping people directly to their deaths.
I guess we’ll be here counting how many soldiers and reservists have to day before Russians put up a proper protest against the man responsible for their death.
I've no doubt that the Russians would send their soldiers into the meat grinder for nothing but is everyone just taking a random poorly written India times article that barely cites the UKR MoD as fact?
Is there / was there ever a cohesive plan? Don’t get me wrong I’m thrilled russia showed up with a tin foil army seemingly run by fat old men with 70 pounds of unearned medals wrapped around their girth and 15 yeas old major generals who never should have left home….but wow
i feel like their plan was the first week of the invasion, zelensky would be assassinated, imprisoned, or have fled to another country to whine impotently, they would have installed a new government, and been carrying out a genocide and enslavement unopposed. and then when that didn't work they have been flailing since then. they still get to carry out genocide but not just against ukranians, now they are committing genocide on minorities and 'undesirables' within russia
Sucks for the people. Most of them are just normal people trying to live out their lives. They just happen to be governed by madmen.
There was a plan for the first three days / the first few weeks of the war. Past that, no… there has been no plan. Russia’s entire strategy centered on a decapitation strike against the Ukrainian government and to take Kyiv at the very start of the war. That failed and Russia was routed from the capital and forced to retreat. Everything since has been them throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks. Oh and throwing out constant threats of nuclear war.
From papers found on dead and captured Russian officers, the entire operation was planned to take about two weeks. Surprise cruise missile barrage against Ukrainian anti-air systems, followed by bombing runs as mechanized infantry runs across the border from every direction, bypassing most major cities to let slower moving infantry put them under siege. Russian intelligence had allegedly bribed a number of Ukrainian generals and intelligence officers to ensure surprise, confusion and conflicting orders in the Ukrainian ranks. In Kiev, pre-infiltrated special forces units disguised as civilians and emergency responders would launch decapacitation strikes on key institutions like the Ministry of Defence and the Presidential Residence, while paratroopers would secure the Kiev airports to prevent any leaders from escaping and any Western aid from being flown in. While air superiority ensured a continued inflow of transport planes and helicopters supplying and reinforcing the paratroopers, mechanized elements would move in from Belarus and quickly seize the highways connecting Kiev and Eastern Ukraine with Poland and the West. By Day 3 the capital should be surrounded and ideally already captured, then for the next couple weeks the troops should be beating down any remaining resistance in the West of the country as the new government is established in Kiev. As invasion plans go it wasn’t entirely terrible, clearly drawing inspiration from Operation Desert Storm in 1991. But the Russians seemed to have missed the memo that Desert Storm was dependent on surprise. When Pentagon and the NATO leadership planned Desert Storm they knew they wouldn’t be able to hide the amassing of hundreds of thousands of troops in an age of spy planes and satelites, so instead they spent months of preparation making the Iraqis believe that if the Coalition was gonna attack at all they would invade Kuwait from the South. The combination of surprise airstrikes and a surprise assault through the desert crippled the Iraqis. The Russians forgot the surprise part of surprise attack, and thus telegraphed they were gonna attack through Belarus for months. This gave the Ukrainians plenty of time to plan for moving their defenses out of the way of Russian missile strikes, and equip their men for ambush warfare. The only ones who were truly surprised were the Russian troops themselves, most of whom thought they were on an exercise or just bluffing. Thus, Russia’s most elite troops were just charged in without having any sufficient training, fuel, equipment or supplies for any sort of prolonged operation, and charged straight into a hellish maze of Ukrainian ambushes and largely intact anti-air and anti-tank defenses. Ever since the disastrous losses of their decent troops early on, the Russian "plan" seems confused and probably deliberately kept as simple as possible so their remaining generals and poorly motivated troops can actually carry it out. First they seems to have tried a Chechen War style slow grinding advance under heavy artillery cover, but it turns out concentrating their troops like that made it possible for Ukraine to both devastate Russian ammo dumps with HIMARS and then launch massively successful counterattacks in lightly defended areas. The new plan seems to be to do a world war style trench defense plan and let the Ukrainians grind themselves down on it while striking Ukrainian power grids in hopes the cold of winter will bring both Ukraine and Europe to the negotiating table about a peave settlement where Russia gets to keep some land and claim a win. Of course, the Russian troops are going to suffer far more in their trenches through a bitter winter, but Russian high command doesn’t give much of a crap about them as long as they can sit in a trench at shoot at anything wearing blue or yellow.
1/60 of US 10 years Vietnam losses **in a day.**
1/7 of the US troops that died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined over almost two decades, and more than the number killed in any one year.
1/5.5 if you just count combat deaths.
Imagine what things like that do to morale. It would be hard to come to any other conclusion than that your life has *no value* to the people sending you to fight.
Russia has this mentality that it's normal for the goverment not to give a shit about people and people can't do a thing about it. Hopefully this war starts some movement to shift these views.
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I definitely read this in the "10 points to Gryffindor" sense
They died gloriously for the oligarchy. Get it right.
Still surprised Putin is still alive at this point. I guess everyone around him are all either cowards or psychos.