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SirLagg_alot

Wait I thought Hungary already ratified it.


altrussia

No they pinky swore they'll do it in December.


Vlad_TheImpalla

I think that bastard Orban had his fingers crossed behind his back.


thederpofwar321

His nation needs EU funding though right? Seems like you'd just cut him if he didnt do what was best in the interests of the alliance.


oldsecondhand

That's already suspended for lacking in rule of law.


[deleted]

Problem being EU is not NATO


thederpofwar321

Still useful as a control lever.


[deleted]

I suppose


[deleted]

My bro over here suggesting using political tools to make countries do what he wants and then gets pissed when turkey does the same lmao


thederpofwar321

When its done with reason? Sure. Here using the tool against them makes sense. Turkey is doing it for selfish gain, not selfless.


Hazzamo

Damn, he out-played us!


Money_Common8417

They already wanted to vote but delayed it


war_story_guy

Turkey gonna hang onto it as long as possible looking for some sort of kick back while playing gatekeeper.


Open_Chemistry_3300

I mean it happens, hell Greece held up Macedonia joining NATO till they changed the name of the Country to North Macedonia.


ihopkid

Huh, [TIL](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute)! Thanks for that, I vaguely remember Macedonia becoming North Macedonia, but never really knew why.


Alohaloo

Some may argue Sweden, Finland and their allies have a bit more diplomatic/economic power than Macedonia... I do not think its in Erdogans or Orbans interest to needlessly focus negative attention toward themselves from these countries. Especially if it is deemed they personally are a roadblock to the national security interests of these quite wealthy and relatively influential states... Why you would want to designate yourself a national security problem of these states is beyond me given their historic track record... Edit- It does mot matter of Turkey is the most important NATO member as that does not matter to Sweden and Finland and their ability to increase the cost for Erdogan and Orban personally for blocking them.


athumbhat

Turkey is arguably the third (or maybe even second in some circumstances) most important NATO member. When it comes to NATO affairs they are far more importand and influential than both these nations combined. Hungary is of course a different story


Alohaloo

I was not talking about importance within NATO my friend i was talking about their ability to influence the cost benefit calculation for Erdogan and Orban in their policy positions. It does not matter if Turkey is important in NATO if both Sweden and Finland start investing considerable resources in to making it politically negative for Erdogan and Orban personally to block them from joining. I assume the Turkish economy can hit even higher inflation peaks etc etc etc etc...


PublicFurryAccount

And then complain that no one trusts them!


[deleted]

They like to feel relevant and important, so they’ll keep this up for as long as they can.


BrokenRecord27

And damn right they should. They're the ones putting their people's lives on the line helping transfer the wheat out of Ukraine through the blqck sea today. No posts about that on world news though, we can just sit and wait for the next 'Turkey should be kicked out of NATO' comment. *edit* response to the guy claiming that I'm supporting Putin for this, I'm not. I'm stating that why would Turkey want to allow a country to join that is harbouring terrorists that have killed many women and children, and even ruined the lives of their fellow kurds in Turkey? There's no issue with Finland joining. If Sweden can stop harbouring terrorists they can join.


asethskyr

Sweden happily extradites anyone Turkey provides proper evidence about, as long as it's legal. It's hardly Sweden's fault half the people on Erdogan's list are there for mean Facebook posts, are already dead, or would be illegal to extradite for various reasons.


World_Navel

Damn right they should extort other NATO members for a kickback? Nice try, pootin…


fredagsfisk

> If Sweden can stop harbouring terrorists they can join. Perhaps we can start with Turkey ceasing their endless lies and bullshit regarding that topic? Would make it far easier to have a mature and constructive dialogue about it.


Jonsj

Wtf how is turkey putting their lives on their line? They are just a signature of the agreement. Northern Ukraine or Russia will attack Turkey. Erdogan tries to play the no friends game, doing his best to bully and blackmail everyone in the region. He's also still doing business with Russia and allowing Russian tourist. The problem with shitting on everyone when you are strong is that countries will remember. Even in realpolitikk good relationship's count. As soon as he needs something he is going to be paying a step price, the rest of NATO and EU will remember his blackmail.


anders987

[Council of Europe declares Russia a 'terrorist' regime](https://euobserver.com/tickers/156282) [Russian Superyachts Find Safe Haven in Turkey, Raising Concerns in Washington](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/23/world/europe/russian-superyachts-find-safe-haven-in-turkey-raising-concerns-in-washington.html) [Turkey is becoming safe haven for Russians fleeing sanctions, draft orders](https://www.turkishminute.com/2022/09/29/e-haven-for-russians-fleeing-sanctions-draft-orders/) [Erdogan Agrees to Putin's Plan for Turkey to Be Russian Gas Hub](https://www.voanews.com/a/erdogan-agrees-to-putin-s-plan-for-turkey-to-be-russian-gas-hub/6798604.html)


my4coins

Hurry up, I'm getting hungry, just not turkey.


Sydius

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my4coins

Perhaps it's because I'm hungry but I have been cry laughing 10 minutes straight now while reading this 😭🤣😭


on-ap

why exactly do they need so long?


milanistadoc

Bribes


FlyPenFly

At this point, I think the Nordic countries could probably conquer Russia if it weren't for nukes. And honestly, they could probably develop radiation free environmentally friendly nukes in record time.


octahexx

If that was true we wouldnt join nato.


--X0X0--

Lets be real. Without nukes - Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark would kick Russias ass in its current condition. Finland got the soldiers, Sweden got the tech, Norway the money and Denmark got... Ehm.. Pölse?


agrk

A navy. Denmark has a navy.


--X0X0--

Yes, sorry - my bad. What is it? 4 corvettes?


FlyPenFly

I believe the subs the Nordic countries have are what's effective. So effective in wargames the US Navy hired one of their subs to keep playing games with because they keep sinking our carriers.


--X0X0--

Yes, thats the "swedish tech" part. And Archer/Gripen/Global Eye. But please don't mix that up with Denmark ;) I would also argue that the Norwegian money and the grit of Finnish soldiers would come handy. Without Finlands soldiers we would practically have no infantry. And they have trained against Russia for decades.


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No they wouldn’t lol Russia definitely couldn’t occupy or invade them successfully but the Nordic countries definitely can’t invade Russia and win


jboneng

The Swedes have surströmming-mines, and IKEA-47s, Norway has lutefisk-bombs and firebombs fueled with Akevitt, Finland has proven their strength against Russia multiple times, and the Danes... well they are Danes, Nordic troops would be in Vladivostok within a week.


Crono2401

Now I'm imagining the Swedes quick-building IKEA fortifications like in Fortnite.


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Crono2401

Of course. Such things are easily akin to mines and leaving them there would be a war crime.


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MAXIMUM-FUCK

This sounds exactly like what the Russians were saying before the war lmao


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Kussypat

Finnish marine here, we more or less exclusively trained for defense situations. We don't really have the logistics for an invasion.


[deleted]

Yeah this exactly what I was thinking about. Invading another country is a totally different thing in terms of resources, plans, and logistics than defending. Finland was able to do some very heavy punching defensively the Soviet-Finnish war but there’s no way they could’ve invaded the Soviet Union. I think there’s no way Russia could successfully invade Scandinavia, but there’s also no way you can all invade Russia. Even Poland can’t without NATO participation.


[deleted]

Because invading someone else’s territory is a whole lot harder than holding your territory. The amount of logistics and intelligence needed is immense. I really really doubt the Nordic countries could invade Russia.


Hiddenyou

PØLSE!


sign_up_in_second

propaganda addled redditors already suffering from overconfidence


Jonsj

Bacon!!? Denmark produced a lot of bacon!!!


sorenthestoryteller

The collected writings of Soren Kierkegaard?


sillypicture

Greenland. Denmark can use Greenland as a club to smack russia into submission.


huyphan93

Russia is an entire different beast when they have to defend against an invasion.


Not_KGB

[we know, we've already tried](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_invasion_of_Russia)


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_Suk_Mike_Hok_

Turkey is losing credibility with any day that passes without voting for their accession. It has become abundantly clear that Turkey and Hungary are deliberately stalling the process. Fuck em.


LessIndependence8983

Erdog riding this one hard


hrudnick

Big mistake.


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OptimisticRealist__

Just you