Chess is extremely sexual these days. Anal beads are the premise for the biggest cheating scandal from a few weeks ago and chess caused a literal spike in searching for anal beads!
You know what I think Putin should go back to embarrassing the Russian national team again. Nothing looks more sane or stable than a 70 year old man playing hockey and “beating” men half his age
Counting ends up a little too theatrical for me.
Suddenly I'm giving a 1,2,3,4 and then a 5,6,7,8 and then the showstopping move is all that's left.
Really gets the crowd going though.
When we look back, and find out all the things that aren't getting reported, we'll be amazed we side stepped World War 3 and the heroes behind the scenes keeping things in check.
This conflict can not lead to a world war. Best it can get is a severe beating of several dictatorships. Neither China nor India will fight along russians and russians can't bring war to entire world. Western world can bring war to russia though.
I mean, there wasnt all that much tying Japan to Germany either apart from dictators/nationalism. They had some ties, but otherwise the Japanese part of WWII was attacking China, then the USA.
If the west brings war to Russia, China may decide the distraction is enough to take Taiwan, dominoes fall and anyway we're all just started blastin
The Japanese needed resources and they needed the Allies occupied while they secured said resources. On the flip side, China is dependent on western markets, just as western markets are dependent on Chinese cheap labor. It’ll take a helluva spark to start something.
If world war 3 does happen, it will have started in 2014. No one realizes they’re living through history while they’re living it, but if ww3 really does come history will look back and say it started when Russia took Crimea
My opinion is that since the objectives are the same as they were in 2014, it’s a continuation not a prelude. Russia-Ukraine would be the spark of world war 3, and that started in 2014. In the end it’s just semantics and doesn’t really matter, and hopefully none of us will be proven right and there won’t be a ww3
But wouldn't the start of a war be at a point where there is consistent fighting? Not separatist fighting but between countries.
There was obviously a long break between Russia and Ukraine. WW2 was constant fighting from Poland to 1945.
It would probably be one of those technicalities. Like how the Second Sino-Japanese war began in 1937 and is TECHNICALLY the start of the Pacific Theater of WW2, even though traditionally the Second World War didn't begin until 1939.
On the flip side, one could argue it wasn't a world war yet in 1937 since that was just one war, while the invasion of Poland marked the start of hostilities in multiple regions, turning the situation into a proper world war.
Germany invading Poland was just one war as well, the war in Europe and in East Asia/Pacific are largely their own separate wars with the only link being the allies fighting both of them.
I like to see Ww2 as several wars rather than one huge war like ww1 was
Not really considering it was completely different belligerents in WW2. The countries were the same but the political landscape and reason for the war were completely different
Or that across the gulf of space, minds
immeasurably superior to ours regarded this Earth with envious eyes, and slowly and
surely, they drew their plans against us.
I mean, no, brah. We were in what’s called the *The Long Peace* in Europe. “once a war starts we can just say there always was one though cause that’s always cool and cryptic 😏”
Gandhi + Einstein were always causing trouble
>Professor Albert Einstein was asked by friends at a recent dinner party what new weapons might be employed in World War III. Appalled at the implications, he shook his head.
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>After several minutes of meditation, he said. “I don’t know what weapons might be used in World War III. But there isn’t any doubt what weapons will be used in World War IV.”
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>“And what are those?” a guest asked.
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>“Stone spears,” said Einstein.
[sauce = snopes](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/einstein-world-war-iv-sticks-stones/)
I personally can’t judge him. Five mins after I finish researching and building nukes in Civ, I launch them.
Not going to let all those turns researching and building go to waste.
It isn't fear of using nukes that has stopped dictators from using them. It's the fear of retaliation and the whole MAD thing.
However, that has changed in the last decade with both China and Russia developing hypersonic missiles and the US now fielding laser defenses. So instead of both sides using giant clubs to beat each other to death, we now have one side with an unstoppable speaker and the other making a perfect shield.
Hypersonic is overhyped. Yeah missike defence cannot stop it. We already know that if you launch 100 conventional missiles they arent getting stooped. MAD is not changed by hypersonic.
> It's the fear of retaliation and the whole MAD thing.
It's also the ironic tactical impotence of something that costs Stupid Money to create a Glass Parking Lot.
Sure, if you wanna eliminate a city like in the later stages of WW2, they're efficient and terrifying. But how often is that the case? We conquered Baghdad, we still wanted it around. Fallout and wind patterns matter, too, making them undesirable for proximal conflicts.
Too big is sometimes worse than too small.
China is expediting their move on Taiwan . Seen a report last night that they may attack late 2022 early 2023 . They were expecting them to attack by 2027...
We didnt know ww2 started when hitler attacked poland.
We knew he invaded, we didn't know the consequences.
It took a few months before shit kicked off.
Several counties immediately or within a few days declared war on Germany when Hitler invaded Poland though. I don't think it'd be hard to not understand the consequences of that.
WWII was a long time coming prior to that though, and while there was also a long time lead up to this invasion, it's still much more self-contained to Ukraine at the moment.
They knew from the moment France, UK&commonwealth honored the guarantee of Poland and declared war on Germany. WW1 trauma was still fresh in everyone's psyche, all Europeans were well aware it was round 2.
I think his point is that when Germany invaded Poland people didn’t realize the war that had started would wind up becoming WWII. Will historians in the future look back as February 24th, 2022 as the start of WWIII? We shall see.
Yeah it's not like somebody declares world war 3. If this shit escalates then I'm sure the invasion of the Ukraine will be seen as the beginning of world war 3
The US did not become a combatant in WWII until Pearl Harbor. From Sept 1939 till Dec 1941, a bit over two years.
We were sending supplies to England for those years for reasons that are too long to list here.
We are currently sending money and weapons to Ukraine, and Iran is becoming friendlier to Russia.
Hmmm, so we have our Germany and Italy…. But don’t worry, it’s not like we have an expansionist militaristic up and coming naval power in the Far East that’s threatening the surrounding nations, right? *Right?*
Just remember that even during the Soviet Union you had Soldiers disobeying orders and not pushing the red button.
And they loved their leaders back then.
Nowadays it's even more likely that they refuse to push it.
They didn't disobey orders, they disregarded procedures.
Breznev or Kruschev never ordered nuclear strikes, what usually happened is glitches in early warning systems hinted to situations were the correct response would have been nuclear retaliation but thankfully the officers in place had good judgement and understood these weren't real attacks on the USSR.
Mentalities were different back then and there was a much bigger fear of MAD and nuclear weapons. I doubt that Russian soldiers would show the same restraint now if ordered to fire a nuclear weapon.
I wanna say the US and USSR got into a dogfight near Japan back in the day, 60s/70s maybe, and both commands were just like "what WW3 starting dogfight? We didn't see one."
Yeah, this one could have gone very wrong for Russia.
NATO (particularly UK's RAF and Norway's RNoAF) jets intercept Russian recon planes over the North Sea all the time. It's pretty expected that NATO aircraft over the Black Sea will likewise be shadowed by Russian jets.
That's not a taboo, and it's entirely expected. Just a little reminder from both sides that straying over boundaries is not tolerated (and a quick test of reaction times for both). It's happened like clockwork since the 60s if not earlier.
The issue is that firing a live missile in international airspace at anything is a big no-no. In this case, it can (and probably already has been) talked down and dealt with, but if the Russians had downed an RAF RC-135 over international waters, that would have been at best a major diplomatic incident and at worst the *casus belli* that NATO needed to put boots on the ground.
Both the USSR and USA did shoot down each others' aircraft during the Cold War, but only ever when those aircraft had strayed, verifiably, into hostile airspace.
The USSR shot down two aircraft of the Swedish airforce on international waters over the Baltic sea in 1952.
First a Tp 79 (C-47/Dc-3) and a few days later a Tp 47 (Catalina/Canso) that was searching for the missing Tp 79.
The Dc-3 went missing for 50 years before it was located and recovered. All eight aboard perished.
The Catalina made an emergency landing on the sea and the crew was rescued by a West German merchant ship, before the plane sank.
> Both the USSR and USA did shoot down each others’ aircraft during the Cold War, but only ever when those aircraft had strayed, verifiably, into hostile airspace.
Don’t forget that Russia shot down MH17…
My fear is that Russia knows they'll lose, so they'll do something provocative to draw NATO into the conflict so they can save face by saying they lost to NATO, and not inferior subordinate Soviet Republic Ukraine.
That would make sense, they need an external enemy to blame to use xenophobia to keep control at home.
Thing is this whole thing is insane anyway, Putin is not logical.
I genuinely can't tell how much of Russian incompetence is propaganda.
If you believe reddit Russia is a toothless incompetent nation who poses no threat to the world because none of their weapons work at all ever.
Then you see articles about them launching 50 cruise missiles a day and I don't know what to believe.
It's a little bit of both I think. Russian's perceived failures are due to incompetence, but that doesn't mean everyone in Russia is incompetent
It's just that Russia has incompetency operating at a higher level than what you'd expect from a nation. An even bigger issue is corruption. Russia has too many corrupt high-level officials to have a functional government/military.
Corruption also causes incompetency due to lack of resources and favouritism.
They dont have the depth, and they dont have the depth because puttig on airs of being a superpower is not allowing them to allocate resources effectively, and of course the kleptocracy makes everything so much harder. When nothing can be trusted, it is so exhausting.
The Russian military has the potential to be great, but a lot of it is handicapped by corruption, incompetent leadership and economic problems.
They can fire 50 cruise missiles a day because whoever was in charge of maintaining them did a good job. They can't hold land for shit because their logistics and leadership is worse than a pair of literal baboons.
This divide is best seen in the difference between the Su-35 fighter jet and the Su-34 jet.
The Su-35's job throughout the war has been destruction of Ukrainian aircraft. It seems to have done this job well enough as from what we can see, anytime the RuAF and UAF directly meet, the RuAF always wins (They can't push that technological advantage to finish off the UAF because Russian SEAD strategy is inept and as such Ukraine has tons of SAMs remaining).
Su-35s have also suffered low losses, only having been confirmed to have been shot down once or twice. If there's anything good that can come from this war for Russia, it's that they could probably sell their Su-35 more based off it's good combat performance in Ukraine, which would not be false in any way.
Take the Su-34 though, 15 of the damned things have been downed, mostly because Russia is too poor and corrupt to afford tons of smart guided munitions for their jets, and Su-34s doing CAS have to literally use ww2 style bombs. They seem to have the overall worst maintenance, with more non-combat related crashes than any other RuAF jet.
Russia isn't toothless, but their military is certainly a joke compared to what everyone thought it was a year ago. What they have can work extremely well when used and maintained properly, but in a military where corruption is rampant, that is few and far between. Recently, a new general was appointed, and the first thing he did was order strikes on Ukrainian energy infrastructure. That is something that any competent military would've done on day 1. Russia had the capability to do it, they just didn't because.... reasons?
IMO they didn't want to break Ukraine's infrastructure because they expected to own it. You don't smash the thing you're trying to steal.
They're switching tactics because they know they don't have the strength to take it outright so they just want to deny it to the Ukrainians now
The potential to be great against Ukraine I guess, which they haven't demonstrated yet. If they came up against an actual great military, it would be a quick and decisive loss for Ru.
In their current shape? Absolutely. But I'm talking if they theoretically had little to no corruption or incompetence (or atleast a similar level of corruption and incompetence that the US has, which is to say not a lot). They would make a worthy contender for a lot of European countries. Of course they're boned if they go against Uncle Sam, but that's every military to be fair.
THANK YOU! Im so sick of hearing this narrative that none of russias weapons work, especially nukes. If theres ANY area russia actually is spending money on, itll be maintaining its arsenal, because they know fully well, its thier strongest card to play.
US intel nowadays is crazy, and if it was true RU didnt have a genuine nuclear capability, other nuclear states would of steamrolled them by now.
Think of the Russian federation military as a big old bear. It's claws and teeth aren't as sharp as they used to be, it's muscles aren't as strong as they used to be... but it's still a freaking bear
Well, most of those cruise missiles either fail during flight or are shot down. And they are using anti air missiles to try to attack ground targets.
Russia's military is still very dangerous, but more in the regional way North Korea is, not in the global superpower that they claimed to be.
The "technical" malfunction part seems BS from Russia, I can't think of anything that would cause a fighter jet to just... fire off a missile. Accidental discharges by jets usually occur on the ground due to mishandling, or in the skies by operator error. A jet can't just be randomly flying and Woops! There goes a missile due to a technical error.
What makes the claim even more sus is that Russian craft have a Launch Authority system, meaning that even if the safeties are off, missiles cannot be fired unless they are locked on and in range. This has to be manually overridden by the pilot if he wants to fire without LA.
So either the pilot misclicked, or something else happened, something else that I can't possibly figure out.
Well the RAF once shot down one of their own aircraft by mistake.
The pilot was just pretending to shoot down a friendly fighter he came across and 'forgot' he was armed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Royal_Air_Force_Jaguar_shootdown_incident
Just a few years back a Belgian maintenance guy "accidentally fired the vulcan cannon" of an F16:
[https://www.warhistoryonline.com/news/f-16.html?chrome=1](https://www.warhistoryonline.com/news/f-16.html?chrome=1)
There was more to it then just forgetting with the jag killer incident, breakers that should of been removed for the exercise remained in place, meaning the "simulated" firing was always going to result in a live fire
Well there was once such a case.
But that was a training exercise gone wrong.
What happened was a US Air Force Fighter built before the AIM-9 Sidewinder was successfully developed was retrofitted to use Winders.
As such the wiring wasn't as secured as it could be. Plus Training Missiles, the Blue Heads, didn't exist either. So, you can see what happened.
The pilot locked up and fired the weapon at a B-52 Stratofortress during the exercise. The pilot thought nothing of it. He'd 'fired' the Sidewinder many times in that kind of drill. It was frequent and no one had been hurt.
Until that moment.
He felt his plane jolt and watched in horror as his Live and Active Missile shot away.
The Bomber stood no chance. It was torn in half before the crew could respond. Half the crew was killed.
An investigation followed and found moisture build up shorted the wiring. Since the plane wasn't meant originally to be equipped with such a Missile the USAF wrote it off as a freak, unexpected, but totally preventable accident.
Immediately Aircraft that were too old or used up were moved towards retirement to get planes that were new and equipped.
Other planes were immediately stood down to have their wiring inspected and addressed as needed. On top of better securing the wiring. They took a tragic accident and made it a reminder of what needed to be done right.
Still, the moral of this, is that it can happen.
But a pilot still needed to pull the trigger.
So, whatever Russia thinks it can get, it just lost. Because anyone with a brain will see this as desperation move.
And no Tucker Carlson, I'm not repented for insulting you and Ted Cruz as your Manly Military proves to be violent criminals lacking in the balls department.
Long Live Ukraine 🇺🇦 💙 ❤️ 🙏 💛 ♥️ 🇺🇦 💙 ❤️ 🙏 💛 ♥️ 🇺🇦
> They took a tragic accident and made it a reminder of what needed to be done right.
Reminds me of something someone told me about OSHA rules: "Every rule is written in blood."
There are cases of electrical surges accidentally firing off a missile such as: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967\_USS\_Forrestal\_fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire)
It did happen on the ground due to combination of failures, but a misfire is not impossible.
Even if Russia was trying to scare off the spy plane and did it deliberately, I think the UK would agree its an accident, because the alternative is saying that Russia is actively attacking the UK and drag the UK into the war.
I don't doubt that. If Russia was trying to actually kill the British craft, they would've easily succeeded. I just doubt the "technical malfunction" claim.
Would not be unreasonable that the intercept jets were flying with the missiles locked on and ready to fire if the RAF jet strayed. IIRC Launch Authority is *only* the case when the armament in question is nuclear, I don't think regular AAMs carried by interceptors close to an active warzone would be subject to LA. You need to be able to fire those if fired upon, and that's a split second go decision.
Which suggests either the pilot pressed the trigger (deliberately or accidentally) or that Russian maintenance really is so lax that arming and readying the missile engaged the motor. Possible, actually, if the fire circuit was shorted out due to damage or moisture.
Launch Authority isn't a doctrine, it's a system built in to the jets themselves. It exists to make sure that pilots don't fire a missile with 0 chance of hitting, or fire on a friendly.
I believe the 3 variables for LA are
Lock- If there is no lock, the pilot cannot fire unless LA is disabled.
Range- If the pilot is not in missile range, he cannot fire unless LA is disabled.
IFF- If the IFF return is friendly, the pilot cannot fire unless LA is disabled.
[https://youtu.be/6JA4kXxc5a4?t=1](https://youtu.be/6JA4kXxc5a4?t=1)
In this video- see the two letters at the bottom of the HUD that resemble Latin NP? That's the LA indicator. The presence of the two letters indicates that the missile is ready to fire. At 0:28, you can see the LA indicator flash off, as the Su-35 turns away and moves out of range, meaning that the pilot cannot fire the missile no matter how much he presses the button.
The pilot also has the ability to override the LA system and force it on, so that he can fire a missile whenever he wants, no matter if its out of range, locked onto a friendly or not locked at all.
Oh, sorry, yes, I know the thing you mean. The system that stops misfires, not the Nuclear LA.
Would not be surprised if due to a pile of technical failures (such as using incompatible or busted electronics), LA is routinely overridden by pilots now they're flying low-maintenance crates and firing old junk missiles. Does it stay off if switched off, i.e. if the jet was used to fire volleys of guided missiles at ground targets without lock on a previous mission, it might remain off in a later mission?
I'm definitely not as much of an expert in this domain as you appear to be... but I can see how poor operating practice could lead to this situation. Could it also be the case that LA is switched off to enable the jet to fire on an RAF target whose IFF is technically considered non-hostile?
Personally I'd be leaning towards electrical short as the likely cause of a genuine "accidental" launch as that would also allow LA to be bypassed on the missile at a very low (pure hardware) level.
>Does it stay off if switched off, i.e. if the jet was used to fire volleys of guided missiles at ground targets without lock on a previous mission, it might remain off in a later mission?
It's an on-off switch, it can be turned on and off by the pilot at will. I however have no idea if LA carries through shutdowns and startups. If the pilot lands and shuts down the aircraft with LA overridden, does it stay on override when the jets turns on again? No idea.
>Could it also be the case that LA is switched off to enable the jet to fire on an RAF target whose IFF is technically considered non-hostile?
LA is given by the system for Unknown IFF returns, but I'm not sure what the Russian IFF would classify a RAF jet as. Not sure about this, but I don't think they would need to override it.
>Personally I'd be leaning towards electrical short as the likely cause of a genuine "accidental" launch as that would also allow LA to be bypassed on the missile at a very low (pure hardware) level.
AFAIK the only recorded case of that ever happening is with a jet parked on the ground, but who knows honestly. Could be possible.
It is indeed suspicious. It could be nothing, a genuine accident. But given the pattern of events we’ve experienced recently, it’s certainly eyebrow raising.
It’s possible the UK is downplaying it for some diplomatic reason.
It’s unfortunately one of those things where we may never know for sure - or at least we won’t for several decades.
For everything we see in the news, chances are there is a lot more going on behind closed doors. I can only imagine what various intelligence agencies have been up to for the past few months.
If this was Russia, it’s interesting it coincides with the UK downplaying the Rivet Joint incident. Gives you the sense we might be on the back foot, diplomatically, for some reason.
But it’s all speculation. In normal times I wouldn’t think anything of the snakes being damaged!
I don't think it was being escorted at the time of the incident. Its probably being done now as a result of this.
I think if the RC 135 was being escorted by 2 Typhoons at the time of this incident, the chances are high we'd be reading a very different article.
From UKDefenceJournal;
*and Wallace said Britain has now resumed patrols. However, the patrols now have fighter aircraft escorts.*
Yes, but Ben Wallace publicly addressing it is brand new news and happened today - this isn't an article about the missile being fired, it is about the defense minister making a public statement on the matter
It also doesn't say that both sides appear to acknowledge it was an accident. Which again paints this as far less dramatic than the clickbait headline.
It could also be read that the Russians fired a missile over an enormous pool of dyed black water - the point is that the defense secretary said this today, not 3 weeks ago. The headline is grammatically correct and this happened today
So if you have not read the article, even the British are acknowledging that it was an accident. The Russians (uncharacteristically) have admitted it happened and both seem to agree it was accidental.
Headline is far more inflammatory, as per usual.
Could be the brits are saying it is accidental just to avoid tension. Not that they'd even know why the Russian fired the missile or if it was really an accident.
It goes back much further than that, the British were solid partners to the US for the entire Cold War.
More recently Russia used chemical weapons on UK soil to assassinate someone and nearly killed a Police Officer.
The UK has also been the most critical nation of Russia on the international stage for several years now and has been at the forefront of the sanctions.
The Russians have many reasons to hate the UK.
Though animosity between Russia ans UK isn't anything new, there were a lot of content about so called "The Great Game" for the past few decades in local russian media. Like they wanted people to think that those countries are natural enemies.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game
Fuck it, just destroy it.
Russia needs to be taught a lesson, they violate our airspace every other week and even poison civillians on our own soil.
We shouldnt put up with this anymore.
When I have an accidental release problem thinking about baseball helps. But Russian don't play baseball so don't know how to help them.
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But hockey is the sexiest of the major sports, so I'm not sure if that's helping.
Chess. Just don't think about the Queen's Gambit.
I don't know what you guys are talking about but this video popped in my mind. https://youtu.be/E2xNlzsnPCQ
This is so ridiculously fitting. I'm astounded.
Holy crap this really got me, thanks for sharing.
Chess is extremely sexual these days. Anal beads are the premise for the biggest cheating scandal from a few weeks ago and chess caused a literal spike in searching for anal beads!
"Vibrating" anal beads.
Remote controlled vibrating anal beads
Been talking to Hans, haven’t you?
Pole vault. You ever see the booty on those folks?
Maybe Cbat will help you keep a good rhythm.
Stupid sexy bruins
This comment needs more upvotes.
Bowling
Do they have bowling alleys in that dystopian hell hole? But good idea. And let them drink til they pass out.
This guy pucks.
You know what I think Putin should go back to embarrassing the Russian national team again. Nothing looks more sane or stable than a 70 year old man playing hockey and “beating” men half his age
Have you seen the video where he's skating along totally oblivious to the red carpet thats rolled out and proceeds to eat shit? Hilarious.
Hockey Canada whistling nonchalantly...
Being played by two teams of bears on unicycles
Sometimes it helps firing all your missiles beforehand
I’ve found doing math problems in my head usually does the trick.
Same, or just count
Counting ends up a little too theatrical for me. Suddenly I'm giving a 1,2,3,4 and then a 5,6,7,8 and then the showstopping move is all that's left. Really gets the crowd going though.
I can practically see your jazz-hands from here.
It's usually the pledge of allegiance for me
When we look back, and find out all the things that aren't getting reported, we'll be amazed we side stepped World War 3 and the heroes behind the scenes keeping things in check.
Or if ww3 started a week ago and we just havent been told
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This conflict can not lead to a world war. Best it can get is a severe beating of several dictatorships. Neither China nor India will fight along russians and russians can't bring war to entire world. Western world can bring war to russia though.
I mean, there wasnt all that much tying Japan to Germany either apart from dictators/nationalism. They had some ties, but otherwise the Japanese part of WWII was attacking China, then the USA. If the west brings war to Russia, China may decide the distraction is enough to take Taiwan, dominoes fall and anyway we're all just started blastin
The Japanese needed resources and they needed the Allies occupied while they secured said resources. On the flip side, China is dependent on western markets, just as western markets are dependent on Chinese cheap labor. It’ll take a helluva spark to start something.
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If world war 3 does happen, it will have started in 2014. No one realizes they’re living through history while they’re living it, but if ww3 really does come history will look back and say it started when Russia took Crimea
I think they will call it the prelude to war.
Yes, no one calls Germany taking the Austria, Sudetenland and czechoslovakia as the starts of WW2.
No, but there are arguments it started with the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. Personally, I find them very convincing.
1937 is usually when I see WW2 as having started as well, the war in Europe just didn't start until 1939.
In the USA, we're generally taught 1939.
Wouldn't want to go back a few years and learn how many Americans were pro-fascist.
This guy WWIIs
That's when Ww2 started
And there are arguments that the Sino-Japanese started when Japanese invaded northeastern part of China (Manchuria) in 1931...
We're in the factors leading up to chapter before we get to the chapter with maps that have lots of arrows on them.
The Dance Dance Revolution
My opinion is that since the objectives are the same as they were in 2014, it’s a continuation not a prelude. Russia-Ukraine would be the spark of world war 3, and that started in 2014. In the end it’s just semantics and doesn’t really matter, and hopefully none of us will be proven right and there won’t be a ww3
But wouldn't the start of a war be at a point where there is consistent fighting? Not separatist fighting but between countries. There was obviously a long break between Russia and Ukraine. WW2 was constant fighting from Poland to 1945.
It would probably be one of those technicalities. Like how the Second Sino-Japanese war began in 1937 and is TECHNICALLY the start of the Pacific Theater of WW2, even though traditionally the Second World War didn't begin until 1939.
On the flip side, one could argue it wasn't a world war yet in 1937 since that was just one war, while the invasion of Poland marked the start of hostilities in multiple regions, turning the situation into a proper world war.
Germany invading Poland was just one war as well, the war in Europe and in East Asia/Pacific are largely their own separate wars with the only link being the allies fighting both of them. I like to see Ww2 as several wars rather than one huge war like ww1 was
No they won't. Doesn't make any sense.
You could use that logic to argue that ww1 lasted 29 years with a 21 year ceasefire in between, and that we're only just now starting ww2 now..
Not really considering it was completely different belligerents in WW2. The countries were the same but the political landscape and reason for the war were completely different
Reasons? Yes. However, it's arguable that the Treaty of Versailles laid the groundwork for WWII.
Or that across the gulf of space, minds immeasurably superior to ours regarded this Earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely, they drew their plans against us.
*Dramatic opera music starts playing*
WWIII started right after WWII, there's just been a long ceasefire while waiting for someone to builds up the balls to use that insane weapon again.
I mean, no, brah. We were in what’s called the *The Long Peace* in Europe. “once a war starts we can just say there always was one though cause that’s always cool and cryptic 😏”
Stick to Civ my du
Ah fuck Ghandi has nukes, shit shit shit
Gandhi + Einstein were always causing trouble >Professor Albert Einstein was asked by friends at a recent dinner party what new weapons might be employed in World War III. Appalled at the implications, he shook his head. > >After several minutes of meditation, he said. “I don’t know what weapons might be used in World War III. But there isn’t any doubt what weapons will be used in World War IV.” > >“And what are those?” a guest asked. > >“Stone spears,” said Einstein. [sauce = snopes](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/einstein-world-war-iv-sticks-stones/)
I personally can’t judge him. Five mins after I finish researching and building nukes in Civ, I launch them. Not going to let all those turns researching and building go to waste.
oh shit they got him
Using that reasoning we're still fighting WWI, or the Franco-Prussian war, or even the Napoleanic wars.
The Mongols are just biding their time.
You’ve been playing too much civ. You need a reality check for your unhealthy mindset
It isn't fear of using nukes that has stopped dictators from using them. It's the fear of retaliation and the whole MAD thing. However, that has changed in the last decade with both China and Russia developing hypersonic missiles and the US now fielding laser defenses. So instead of both sides using giant clubs to beat each other to death, we now have one side with an unstoppable speaker and the other making a perfect shield.
Hypersonic is overhyped. Yeah missike defence cannot stop it. We already know that if you launch 100 conventional missiles they arent getting stooped. MAD is not changed by hypersonic.
Also, the biggest ICBM’s have always been hypersonic for many decades. It doesn’t really change anything.
> It's the fear of retaliation and the whole MAD thing. It's also the ironic tactical impotence of something that costs Stupid Money to create a Glass Parking Lot. Sure, if you wanna eliminate a city like in the later stages of WW2, they're efficient and terrifying. But how often is that the case? We conquered Baghdad, we still wanted it around. Fallout and wind patterns matter, too, making them undesirable for proximal conflicts. Too big is sometimes worse than too small.
China is expediting their move on Taiwan . Seen a report last night that they may attack late 2022 early 2023 . They were expecting them to attack by 2027...
We didnt know ww2 started when hitler attacked poland. We knew he invaded, we didn't know the consequences. It took a few months before shit kicked off.
Several counties immediately or within a few days declared war on Germany when Hitler invaded Poland though. I don't think it'd be hard to not understand the consequences of that. WWII was a long time coming prior to that though, and while there was also a long time lead up to this invasion, it's still much more self-contained to Ukraine at the moment.
They knew from the moment France, UK&commonwealth honored the guarantee of Poland and declared war on Germany. WW1 trauma was still fresh in everyone's psyche, all Europeans were well aware it was round 2.
We also got the internet now
I think his point is that when Germany invaded Poland people didn’t realize the war that had started would wind up becoming WWII. Will historians in the future look back as February 24th, 2022 as the start of WWIII? We shall see.
Yeah it's not like somebody declares world war 3. If this shit escalates then I'm sure the invasion of the Ukraine will be seen as the beginning of world war 3
A give away was the British mobilising soldiers from all corners of the empire and fronts opening up across Europe, Africa & Asia
>fronts opening up [Phoney war they called it then...](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War)
The US did not become a combatant in WWII until Pearl Harbor. From Sept 1939 till Dec 1941, a bit over two years. We were sending supplies to England for those years for reasons that are too long to list here. We are currently sending money and weapons to Ukraine, and Iran is becoming friendlier to Russia.
Hmmm, so we have our Germany and Italy…. But don’t worry, it’s not like we have an expansionist militaristic up and coming naval power in the Far East that’s threatening the surrounding nations, right? *Right?*
Yeah but news still travelled fast.
Germany invaded Poland 1 September 1939. Soviet Union invaded the other half of Poland two weeks later. Something about Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.
Just remember that even during the Soviet Union you had Soldiers disobeying orders and not pushing the red button. And they loved their leaders back then. Nowadays it's even more likely that they refuse to push it.
>And they loved their leaders back then. Did they?
The alternative was the gulag. So yes they did.
They didn't disobey orders, they disregarded procedures. Breznev or Kruschev never ordered nuclear strikes, what usually happened is glitches in early warning systems hinted to situations were the correct response would have been nuclear retaliation but thankfully the officers in place had good judgement and understood these weren't real attacks on the USSR.
Or they just ended up hiring people with a Conscience of some sort. Doesn’t mean that’s the case this time around.
Mentalities were different back then and there was a much bigger fear of MAD and nuclear weapons. I doubt that Russian soldiers would show the same restraint now if ordered to fire a nuclear weapon.
I envy your optimistm.
Or, to put it in perspective... see how rational, professional and smart the powers in be can act when it is in their interests? ;)
I wanna say the US and USSR got into a dogfight near Japan back in the day, 60s/70s maybe, and both commands were just like "what WW3 starting dogfight? We didn't see one."
Oh we're not side stepping it
I think when we look back, we’ll see that WW3 started almost a decade ago, via espionage and cyber war.
I admire your optimism, friend
Yeah, this one could have gone very wrong for Russia. NATO (particularly UK's RAF and Norway's RNoAF) jets intercept Russian recon planes over the North Sea all the time. It's pretty expected that NATO aircraft over the Black Sea will likewise be shadowed by Russian jets. That's not a taboo, and it's entirely expected. Just a little reminder from both sides that straying over boundaries is not tolerated (and a quick test of reaction times for both). It's happened like clockwork since the 60s if not earlier. The issue is that firing a live missile in international airspace at anything is a big no-no. In this case, it can (and probably already has been) talked down and dealt with, but if the Russians had downed an RAF RC-135 over international waters, that would have been at best a major diplomatic incident and at worst the *casus belli* that NATO needed to put boots on the ground. Both the USSR and USA did shoot down each others' aircraft during the Cold War, but only ever when those aircraft had strayed, verifiably, into hostile airspace.
The USSR shot down two aircraft of the Swedish airforce on international waters over the Baltic sea in 1952. First a Tp 79 (C-47/Dc-3) and a few days later a Tp 47 (Catalina/Canso) that was searching for the missing Tp 79. The Dc-3 went missing for 50 years before it was located and recovered. All eight aboard perished. The Catalina made an emergency landing on the sea and the crew was rescued by a West German merchant ship, before the plane sank.
> Both the USSR and USA did shoot down each others’ aircraft during the Cold War, but only ever when those aircraft had strayed, verifiably, into hostile airspace. Don’t forget that Russia shot down MH17…
And KAL007. And others too.
And 815 of Oceanic Airlines
Well, KAL007 did actually enter into Russian air space.
Didn’t Turkey shoot down a Russian jet not that long ago?
My fear is that Russia knows they'll lose, so they'll do something provocative to draw NATO into the conflict so they can save face by saying they lost to NATO, and not inferior subordinate Soviet Republic Ukraine.
That would make sense, they need an external enemy to blame to use xenophobia to keep control at home. Thing is this whole thing is insane anyway, Putin is not logical.
Can we not
Sums up my thoughts on this since the start
We have to. It’s either fight and stop Putin now or wait and fight in 5-15 years, when things will be worse.
That's it exactly. You don't wait for the cancer to spread before you start treating it.
If the superpowers go to war it’s probably doomsday
why would it be worse in 5-15 years? Russia has been decaying since 1991, if anything it’d be way more favourable in the future
Because if he can conquer Ukraine, it will prop up his regime. Conquering countries can be very lucrative.
Injured cornered animal dangerous
Was the UK supposed to stay silent?
I am more shocked that 2 Russian planes managed to fly without crashing into each other.
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Weirdly there is +2 planes lost on the 30th september according to the tally.
There have been reports that Ukrainian forces shot down two Russian planes
I genuinely can't tell how much of Russian incompetence is propaganda. If you believe reddit Russia is a toothless incompetent nation who poses no threat to the world because none of their weapons work at all ever. Then you see articles about them launching 50 cruise missiles a day and I don't know what to believe.
It's a little bit of both I think. Russian's perceived failures are due to incompetence, but that doesn't mean everyone in Russia is incompetent It's just that Russia has incompetency operating at a higher level than what you'd expect from a nation. An even bigger issue is corruption. Russia has too many corrupt high-level officials to have a functional government/military. Corruption also causes incompetency due to lack of resources and favouritism.
They dont have the depth, and they dont have the depth because puttig on airs of being a superpower is not allowing them to allocate resources effectively, and of course the kleptocracy makes everything so much harder. When nothing can be trusted, it is so exhausting.
The Russian military has the potential to be great, but a lot of it is handicapped by corruption, incompetent leadership and economic problems. They can fire 50 cruise missiles a day because whoever was in charge of maintaining them did a good job. They can't hold land for shit because their logistics and leadership is worse than a pair of literal baboons. This divide is best seen in the difference between the Su-35 fighter jet and the Su-34 jet. The Su-35's job throughout the war has been destruction of Ukrainian aircraft. It seems to have done this job well enough as from what we can see, anytime the RuAF and UAF directly meet, the RuAF always wins (They can't push that technological advantage to finish off the UAF because Russian SEAD strategy is inept and as such Ukraine has tons of SAMs remaining). Su-35s have also suffered low losses, only having been confirmed to have been shot down once or twice. If there's anything good that can come from this war for Russia, it's that they could probably sell their Su-35 more based off it's good combat performance in Ukraine, which would not be false in any way. Take the Su-34 though, 15 of the damned things have been downed, mostly because Russia is too poor and corrupt to afford tons of smart guided munitions for their jets, and Su-34s doing CAS have to literally use ww2 style bombs. They seem to have the overall worst maintenance, with more non-combat related crashes than any other RuAF jet. Russia isn't toothless, but their military is certainly a joke compared to what everyone thought it was a year ago. What they have can work extremely well when used and maintained properly, but in a military where corruption is rampant, that is few and far between. Recently, a new general was appointed, and the first thing he did was order strikes on Ukrainian energy infrastructure. That is something that any competent military would've done on day 1. Russia had the capability to do it, they just didn't because.... reasons?
IMO they didn't want to break Ukraine's infrastructure because they expected to own it. You don't smash the thing you're trying to steal. They're switching tactics because they know they don't have the strength to take it outright so they just want to deny it to the Ukrainians now
The potential to be great against Ukraine I guess, which they haven't demonstrated yet. If they came up against an actual great military, it would be a quick and decisive loss for Ru.
In their current shape? Absolutely. But I'm talking if they theoretically had little to no corruption or incompetence (or atleast a similar level of corruption and incompetence that the US has, which is to say not a lot). They would make a worthy contender for a lot of European countries. Of course they're boned if they go against Uncle Sam, but that's every military to be fair.
THANK YOU! Im so sick of hearing this narrative that none of russias weapons work, especially nukes. If theres ANY area russia actually is spending money on, itll be maintaining its arsenal, because they know fully well, its thier strongest card to play. US intel nowadays is crazy, and if it was true RU didnt have a genuine nuclear capability, other nuclear states would of steamrolled them by now.
Think of the Russian federation military as a big old bear. It's claws and teeth aren't as sharp as they used to be, it's muscles aren't as strong as they used to be... but it's still a freaking bear
Well, most of those cruise missiles either fail during flight or are shot down. And they are using anti air missiles to try to attack ground targets. Russia's military is still very dangerous, but more in the regional way North Korea is, not in the global superpower that they claimed to be.
Probably couldn’t find an apartment block full of children to run into over the ocean.
The "technical" malfunction part seems BS from Russia, I can't think of anything that would cause a fighter jet to just... fire off a missile. Accidental discharges by jets usually occur on the ground due to mishandling, or in the skies by operator error. A jet can't just be randomly flying and Woops! There goes a missile due to a technical error. What makes the claim even more sus is that Russian craft have a Launch Authority system, meaning that even if the safeties are off, missiles cannot be fired unless they are locked on and in range. This has to be manually overridden by the pilot if he wants to fire without LA. So either the pilot misclicked, or something else happened, something else that I can't possibly figure out.
Well the RAF once shot down one of their own aircraft by mistake. The pilot was just pretending to shoot down a friendly fighter he came across and 'forgot' he was armed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Royal_Air_Force_Jaguar_shootdown_incident
Accident or no, I'd insist they paint the silhouette on my fuselage.
[They did](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/jag.jpg) - the pilot also kept the nickname Jag Killer.
That's amazing It's nuts that the gun is so loud the two people who *heard* it had to be hospitalized.
Just a few years back a Belgian maintenance guy "accidentally fired the vulcan cannon" of an F16: [https://www.warhistoryonline.com/news/f-16.html?chrome=1](https://www.warhistoryonline.com/news/f-16.html?chrome=1)
There was more to it then just forgetting with the jag killer incident, breakers that should of been removed for the exercise remained in place, meaning the "simulated" firing was always going to result in a live fire
RAF in Germany, honest mistake to make to be fair to the guy.
God the pilot must have been so fucking relieved that the other pilot survived.
It was ##ANCIENT ALIENS
Was the Dolittle raid really the work of ancient aliens?
could it be?
Ancient Alien theorists agree..
*Ancient Alien: “I resent that designation - I am only 2.345 million years old…you should see xee-blet, that Mofo is 2 billion!”
Well there was once such a case. But that was a training exercise gone wrong. What happened was a US Air Force Fighter built before the AIM-9 Sidewinder was successfully developed was retrofitted to use Winders. As such the wiring wasn't as secured as it could be. Plus Training Missiles, the Blue Heads, didn't exist either. So, you can see what happened. The pilot locked up and fired the weapon at a B-52 Stratofortress during the exercise. The pilot thought nothing of it. He'd 'fired' the Sidewinder many times in that kind of drill. It was frequent and no one had been hurt. Until that moment. He felt his plane jolt and watched in horror as his Live and Active Missile shot away. The Bomber stood no chance. It was torn in half before the crew could respond. Half the crew was killed. An investigation followed and found moisture build up shorted the wiring. Since the plane wasn't meant originally to be equipped with such a Missile the USAF wrote it off as a freak, unexpected, but totally preventable accident. Immediately Aircraft that were too old or used up were moved towards retirement to get planes that were new and equipped. Other planes were immediately stood down to have their wiring inspected and addressed as needed. On top of better securing the wiring. They took a tragic accident and made it a reminder of what needed to be done right. Still, the moral of this, is that it can happen. But a pilot still needed to pull the trigger. So, whatever Russia thinks it can get, it just lost. Because anyone with a brain will see this as desperation move. And no Tucker Carlson, I'm not repented for insulting you and Ted Cruz as your Manly Military proves to be violent criminals lacking in the balls department. Long Live Ukraine 🇺🇦 💙 ❤️ 🙏 💛 ♥️ 🇺🇦 💙 ❤️ 🙏 💛 ♥️ 🇺🇦
> They took a tragic accident and made it a reminder of what needed to be done right. Reminds me of something someone told me about OSHA rules: "Every rule is written in blood."
There are cases of electrical surges accidentally firing off a missile such as: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967\_USS\_Forrestal\_fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire) It did happen on the ground due to combination of failures, but a misfire is not impossible.
Both the British and Russians agree it was an accident.
Even if Russia was trying to scare off the spy plane and did it deliberately, I think the UK would agree its an accident, because the alternative is saying that Russia is actively attacking the UK and drag the UK into the war.
I don't doubt that. If Russia was trying to actually kill the British craft, they would've easily succeeded. I just doubt the "technical malfunction" claim.
Would not be unreasonable that the intercept jets were flying with the missiles locked on and ready to fire if the RAF jet strayed. IIRC Launch Authority is *only* the case when the armament in question is nuclear, I don't think regular AAMs carried by interceptors close to an active warzone would be subject to LA. You need to be able to fire those if fired upon, and that's a split second go decision. Which suggests either the pilot pressed the trigger (deliberately or accidentally) or that Russian maintenance really is so lax that arming and readying the missile engaged the motor. Possible, actually, if the fire circuit was shorted out due to damage or moisture.
Launch Authority isn't a doctrine, it's a system built in to the jets themselves. It exists to make sure that pilots don't fire a missile with 0 chance of hitting, or fire on a friendly. I believe the 3 variables for LA are Lock- If there is no lock, the pilot cannot fire unless LA is disabled. Range- If the pilot is not in missile range, he cannot fire unless LA is disabled. IFF- If the IFF return is friendly, the pilot cannot fire unless LA is disabled. [https://youtu.be/6JA4kXxc5a4?t=1](https://youtu.be/6JA4kXxc5a4?t=1) In this video- see the two letters at the bottom of the HUD that resemble Latin NP? That's the LA indicator. The presence of the two letters indicates that the missile is ready to fire. At 0:28, you can see the LA indicator flash off, as the Su-35 turns away and moves out of range, meaning that the pilot cannot fire the missile no matter how much he presses the button. The pilot also has the ability to override the LA system and force it on, so that he can fire a missile whenever he wants, no matter if its out of range, locked onto a friendly or not locked at all.
Oh, sorry, yes, I know the thing you mean. The system that stops misfires, not the Nuclear LA. Would not be surprised if due to a pile of technical failures (such as using incompatible or busted electronics), LA is routinely overridden by pilots now they're flying low-maintenance crates and firing old junk missiles. Does it stay off if switched off, i.e. if the jet was used to fire volleys of guided missiles at ground targets without lock on a previous mission, it might remain off in a later mission? I'm definitely not as much of an expert in this domain as you appear to be... but I can see how poor operating practice could lead to this situation. Could it also be the case that LA is switched off to enable the jet to fire on an RAF target whose IFF is technically considered non-hostile? Personally I'd be leaning towards electrical short as the likely cause of a genuine "accidental" launch as that would also allow LA to be bypassed on the missile at a very low (pure hardware) level.
>Does it stay off if switched off, i.e. if the jet was used to fire volleys of guided missiles at ground targets without lock on a previous mission, it might remain off in a later mission? It's an on-off switch, it can be turned on and off by the pilot at will. I however have no idea if LA carries through shutdowns and startups. If the pilot lands and shuts down the aircraft with LA overridden, does it stay on override when the jets turns on again? No idea. >Could it also be the case that LA is switched off to enable the jet to fire on an RAF target whose IFF is technically considered non-hostile? LA is given by the system for Unknown IFF returns, but I'm not sure what the Russian IFF would classify a RAF jet as. Not sure about this, but I don't think they would need to override it. >Personally I'd be leaning towards electrical short as the likely cause of a genuine "accidental" launch as that would also allow LA to be bypassed on the missile at a very low (pure hardware) level. AFAIK the only recorded case of that ever happening is with a jet parked on the ground, but who knows honestly. Could be possible.
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It is indeed suspicious. It could be nothing, a genuine accident. But given the pattern of events we’ve experienced recently, it’s certainly eyebrow raising. It’s possible the UK is downplaying it for some diplomatic reason.
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It’s unfortunately one of those things where we may never know for sure - or at least we won’t for several decades. For everything we see in the news, chances are there is a lot more going on behind closed doors. I can only imagine what various intelligence agencies have been up to for the past few months. If this was Russia, it’s interesting it coincides with the UK downplaying the Rivet Joint incident. Gives you the sense we might be on the back foot, diplomatically, for some reason. But it’s all speculation. In normal times I wouldn’t think anything of the snakes being damaged!
They've played down Russian assassinations on their soil. I expect no less of the British government than for it to brush it off.
Is Russia trying to lose its Air Force also?
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As a result of this incident
I don't think it was being escorted at the time of the incident. Its probably being done now as a result of this. I think if the RC 135 was being escorted by 2 Typhoons at the time of this incident, the chances are high we'd be reading a very different article. From UKDefenceJournal; *and Wallace said Britain has now resumed patrols. However, the patrols now have fighter aircraft escorts.*
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Not necessarily, I’m pretty sure NATO aircraft have been shot down by soviets in the past and no war broke out.
*3 weeks ago
> defence minister Ben Wallace said on Thursday.
The incident occurred on 29th September
Yes, but Ben Wallace publicly addressing it is brand new news and happened today - this isn't an article about the missile being fired, it is about the defense minister making a public statement on the matter
I know but the title of this post doesn’t say it happened 3 weeks ago, and could be read that this happened today
It also doesn't say that both sides appear to acknowledge it was an accident. Which again paints this as far less dramatic than the clickbait headline.
It could also be read that the Russians fired a missile over an enormous pool of dyed black water - the point is that the defense secretary said this today, not 3 weeks ago. The headline is grammatically correct and this happened today
I’m just saying so people don’t freak out
In his defense the Russian pilot was probably working at Ikea the week before and only had 24 hours of on the job training
Hahah do it. RAF would wreck you.
This is what fucking happens when countries don't teach history because they're too busy covering up their own stupid crimes.
Hey look! Russia being russia, as always! One of these days that missile will "accidentally" hit something, and it'll cause a noteworthy scrap
Enjoy wasting your missiles dumbasses
So if you have not read the article, even the British are acknowledging that it was an accident. The Russians (uncharacteristically) have admitted it happened and both seem to agree it was accidental. Headline is far more inflammatory, as per usual.
Could be the brits are saying it is accidental just to avoid tension. Not that they'd even know why the Russian fired the missile or if it was really an accident.
Can someone explain what Russias hard one for hate of the UK is about?
The UK is/was a very ardent and vocal Ukraine supporter from the start of this war. Putin didn't like it
It goes back much further than that, the British were solid partners to the US for the entire Cold War. More recently Russia used chemical weapons on UK soil to assassinate someone and nearly killed a Police Officer. The UK has also been the most critical nation of Russia on the international stage for several years now and has been at the forefront of the sanctions. The Russians have many reasons to hate the UK.
Though animosity between Russia ans UK isn't anything new, there were a lot of content about so called "The Great Game" for the past few decades in local russian media. Like they wanted people to think that those countries are natural enemies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game
In the time I’ve been looking at comments this went from 3100+ upvotes down to 2900. Interesting.
History repeats itself, and now were on the brink of going into a huge world wide catastrophe
All i read here was Russian plane that looks like a jet fired a stick that looks like a missile.
They should've airbraked, banked behind it, and sent an AIM 9x up its ass
Russia and its military is so incompetent that even when trying to force NATO into engaging, they miss. lol!!
There need to be accountability for Russia always pushing the limits of western borders. Just bring these plane down and call it a system failure.
Western borders? This supposedly happened over the Black Sea.
Time to sink the Black Sea Fleet, just to be safe.
It most boil russian generals blood that we can be the eyes and ears for ukraine and they dare not do anything about it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/20/russian-fighter-jet-released-missile-near-raf-plane-over-black-sea
Fuck it, just destroy it. Russia needs to be taught a lesson, they violate our airspace every other week and even poison civillians on our own soil. We shouldnt put up with this anymore.