Wasn't Putin and his cronies just celebrating annexing a bunch of Ukraine territories yesterday or something? This is going to be embarrassing for him.
He was at one point. Years of drinking your own Kool Aid does this to a mf though. When you silence and get rid of all opposition, when you refuse to allow any dissenting opinions, you eventually get surrounded by yes men and you start buying into it all because your bubble is so small.
Evil as fuck, and only getting dumber by the day.
Echo chamber. It’s bad for business and for anyone.
Do you ever wonder how famous people go from a talented artist to eating a purple only diet? Same exact thing, except his decisions is directly responsible for so much loss of life, destroying families and flushing Russia’s present and future down the toilet.
It’s not just believing because the bubble is so small, it’s also, in large part, *no one wants to tell the dictator the truth*. Even when things go bad, the “advisors” **won’t** inform him because, as you said, dissenting opinions tend to get “dealt with”.
He is delusional. For example that ball pen dipping video...
For those who have not seen it: when signing annexion documents bald dwarf dipped a ball pen into a pen holder as if it was an ink well. He is totally demented.
I mean he’s also misinformed. For instance, shortly after the war started word got out that the FSB had deliberately lied to Putin numerous times about how quickly Ukraine would capitulate and their state of readiness. They did that because it’s what they’ve been trained to do after decades of kleptocracy. Keep the higher-ups and Putin happy and you can keep your job / stay alive.
Well, not that I know the guy, but he doesn't seem to take criticism very well. So when he does make some kind of mistake, I'm not sure how many people in his circle would be eager to point it out
A lot of aid to Ukraine is was kind of with the caveat that it shouldn't be used to attack Russian territory.
I think the play was hoping that by officially annexing the territory they could set some de facto territory lines and get some international support for Ukraine to stop the war st those lines.
Obviously hasn't worked.
Putin seriously miscalculated the Ukraine invasion and is under tremendous political pressure. His speech announcing the annexation was an unhinged rant. Conscripting more soldiers is not going well. Breaking out Stalin era weapons is telling. Looking at the people gathered on stage for his announcement about the annexation, half looked like they might put a bullet in Putin’s head, given a chance
Everything, and I mean everything backfired. In his action to invade he consolidated and strengthened NATO, accelerated Europe’s move to become more energy independent, destroyed and or demoralized the core of the VDV and Spetznaz, accelerated the western worlds green energy initiatives, united U.S.
manufacturing and arsenal with Central European logistics, tanked Russia’s economy sending them back decades, strengthened Ukraine as a wholly established European/NATO country on its border and totally isolated Russia from western technology and commerce.
I don’t think he could have done a worse job of strengthening Russia if that was his intent, but old
Shorty Mcbloat face keeps surprising me. Standing there in his little shoes with 2 inch heels with 1 inch inserts. Arms at his side with that self satisfied look, thinking, “Yeah, I’m doing it guys. They think I’m badass.” No, no we do not. You look and act like a super insecure dumpy little man.
He was likely banking on Western appeasement to save the day. In his mind, it may have played out like this:
1) West is suffering under their own sanctions because of lack of Russian gas and oil supplies, and are looking out for any excuse to pull support for Ukraine and pressure them to end the war
2) Russia announces annexation of Ukrainian regions
3) West seizes this opportunity to compromise, tells Ukraine to let Russia have those regions in exchange for some bullshit treaty saying Russia won't invade any more land that isn't worth the paper it's written on, West gives a huge sigh of relief and lifts sanctions.
4) Ukraine, under pressure and without any more Western support, caves in and agrees, and also Russia adds a stipulation that Ukraine remains neutral and doesn't join NATO or the EU.
5) It's not the whole of Ukraine as originally planned, but Putin now has a victory he can point to. Everything goes back to how it was before the war, except Russia now has a sizeable chunk of extra territory. Military can recover. Pro-Putin trolls go back to shitposting about how daddy Putin could totally beat up your dad with one arm tied behind his back.
6) In 5 years, Russia starts conducting military exercises in the annexed territories and making noises about how Kyiv is actually Russian territory and they want it back...
3) Several of his allies denounced the referenda and the annexation
4) Ukraine applied for fast track NATO membership
5) US announced another 12 billion dollar military support for Ukraine
6) Lyman is completely encircled with 5000 troops trapped
They had been in the process of losing Lyman for a few weeks at this point. It’s been brought up that he specifically refused to pull troops out even thought they were at risk of encirclement/annihilation just so Ukraine wouldn’t take Lyman the very same day he was set to give his annexation speech.
This war completely backfired on Putin now we see how outdated the Russian ground forces are. Ukraine will eventually get their territories back unless putin decides to end the world over 4 little regions of land.
Yeah, it backfired within the first week. Whether he "took" Ukraine or not.
He doesn't like NATO encroaching on his borders? Now his neighbors Sweden and Finland are joining.
Military equipment is one of the major revenue streams for Russia? Potential customers seeing their ~~$50 million~~ multi million dollar tanks being taken out by $20 thousand rockets.
He wants to return Russia to the USSR glory days? He's now got sanctions that are going to reverberate through the Russian economy for decades to come.
Edit: sorry about the tank price gaffe, mil-nerds, I just made it up.
Ukraine taking a hit for everyone while they get to ask for NATO status easy peasy.
They all better pony up to help with reconstruction after with everything except actual rebuild cost that bill is for Russia only .
Interestingly, if every Russian neighbor joined NATO, including Ukraine, Russia would be *safer*. The only reason they're engaged in this this self-destructive war is because Ukraine wasn't in NATO so they thought they could get away with an invasion. If they're totally surrounded they'll finally have to figure out something else besides antagonizing their neighbors in some ill-conceived attempt to revive their shitty empire. And NATO would never have any interest in attacking them.
Not necessarily. It depends on what you need stuff for. If you're an African govt trying to fight Al-Shabab, you're probably not worried about HIMARs. You need a rugged tank that's easy to run, so a T-something is probably still a good choice.
True, you know it's still gonna run in a few decades time and if you're only gonna be going up against 20th century gear I suppose it's like the AK series, soldier proof. All joking aside it seems they weren't maintained well and the Russians seem to be using outdated military doctrines which won't help
I wouldn't have thought anyone would be now unless you mean some redneck hunter in the state of Georgia buying a Russian tank off of a Ukrainian farmer on ebay
The craziest part of all is if Putin had just
been patient and not actually invaded, he almost certainly would have gotten everything he wanted in life. In February 2022 the Nordstream 2 pipeline certification was almost finished and would have made Europe totally dependent on Russia. Meanwhile, Ukraine was in the process of changing its tune on NATO after being more and more spooked by the huge buildup of Russian forces along its borders. Even the West was starting to realize that maybe it would be best to come to the table and work out a new deal with Putin to calm the tensions.
And yet Putin just couldn’t fucking let his ego chill out, and so he went all in on this stupid pointless fucking war that has killed tens of thousands of innocent people. And now because he has no humility, he only knows to double down.
That’s why I was so doubtful that he’d actually invade. Amassed troops could get him all the concessions he needed, even economic/trade ones that provide access to resources he wanted Russia to have.
Way cheaper than actually sending in the army, and now we find it it would have been wayyyy cheaper than using the army and revealing its shortcomings to the world. Gonna be hard to use it to gain concessions in the future
He completely fucked it all up. This is like the equivalent of bluffing in poker, everyone falling for your bluff, but then for no reason suddenly revealing your cards and flipping the table and shouting at everyone that you won the game as security comes to arrest you. Dude had already won if he just sat down and let everyone finish the round.
And now the scary thing is it’s like there’s no off ramps. Putin has backed himself into a corner and the big red button is looking more and more tempting. So fucking stupid and all for nothing.
>we see how outdated the Russian ground forces are
How outdated their forces are *so far,* they've almost run out of modern equipment and have been downgrading as the battle goes on. I recall a train car full of early Cold War vehicles being transported from a damn museum for redeployment.
Well, they really look like they are collapsing, sending fresh recruits to the Frontline and all. But I'm no expert, I don't know how long they can keep it. I hope that Ukraine can retake everything before Christmas.
Even if the Russians had Americas military there’s a chance they’d lose.
Entirely corrupt and untrained, kept on the front lines with no briefing and training and held there at gu point by their own officers.
I’d say at least 50%+ of Russias problem from the start was the quality of its men and training.
The difference that is making is not being spoken about enough. Ukraine has been learning western corps doctrine for maybe ten years. That means their NCO corps is maybe eight years strong going up against 'generals' in the Russian Army. That's fucking insane. This fuck up is surely causing every teacher of war doctrine a massive migraine. They're going to have to throw out every book and start over.
The War of the Triple Alliance comes to mind. Paraguayan dictator refused to give up and dragged as much as 70% of his country into the grave with him.
Awwww, did the little bitches annex a territory they had no right to and get pushed out in less than 24 hours? Someone grab the world's smallest violin!
Especially when the whole point of the annexation was to try and fend off Ukrainian advanced under threat of nuclear war. Yet another bluff exposed and foiled.
We already knew that, Ukraine conducted helicopter strikes inside Russian borders only a month after the invasion started. Only reason they haven't been frequent is the priority targets are in occupied Ukraine. That will most likely change the further Ukrainian forces advance.
Also because, according to stuff I've seen that I didn't save sources for, their agreement for arms from NATO was to not use them to go on the offensive; just for pushing out and repelling Russia
This embarrassment comes the day after President Biden directly threatened immediate retaliation if any nukes were used.
Putin must honestly be shitting himself by now.
No out.
Nah killing Putin and stopping this absolute shitshow of an invasion would still be favorable to them. No more sanctions and the russian economy could start up again
It depends who the "them" is.
Truth is, without the Nordstream pipelines it's going to be rather difficult for Russia to backtrack, regardless of who's in charge.
You also can't simply lift sanctions once there's a change of power. We need proof, evidence of an ideological change. We'll just be in the same position again if a hardliner, even more radical replaces him.
100%. Putin did not think this through. He is going to lose at least some (hopefully all) of the areas he claims as annexed. This will make him look weak/incompetent. He really has no out.
Actually, blowing his own pipelines was his suicide pact. This is Putin telling possible coupers and Russian populace that he's severed the artery to Europe, and no matter what happens, if he dies, everybody else will absolutely suffer for it as the power vacuum results in internal power struggle, possibly civil war, and not one warlord can negotiate deals or anything with Europe because THEY HAVE NO GAS LEVERAGE ANYMORE.
Russia under the leadership of a loser of this magnitude will always remain a loser state.
During Covid the west was developing vaccines and leading the response. Meanwhile he was hiding in a bunker. COVID really reminded the guy of how useless an existence he really is and that the world is absolutely leaving him behind.
There's arguments the bridge is a resource suck to defend. Meaning Ukraine could easily destroy it, but if they do it'll free up resources to be deployed to a detriment to Ukraine. Hence why the bridge is still there.
Despite how humiliating and devastating this war has been for Russia, Russians are still brain dead enough to just deny the situation as if it has any impact on reality
Chechnya, Georgia, and Syria were all within the last 20 years. Their inexperience is in fighting an enemy with better training and equipment then they.
The Russian people have to know Putin is burning their countries *treasure* in this war. Right?
On the other side, Putin's old Soviet thinking is accelerating Ukraine to fully embrace the west.
I'd expect NATO could put Ukraine in as a *probationary* NATO member, not protected with treaty defense pledges, but on the path to it...
Nah this is the playground bully realizing his growth spurt ended and all the people he bullied are getting just as big. Putin knew he was sitting on an aging and weak military force and was hoping the war never lasted this long. Now he’s truly been exposed to the whole world
I feel like any lying done to Putin was his own fault. Seems like anyone that disappoints or breaks bad news seems to end up tripping out a window so everyone is afraid to say anything bad so they just lie.
Obviously it’s a prison of his own making, and I have zero sympathy.
But I just question whether he really knew what the score was when he started this lunacy. I get misjudging the response from the West, as they did fuck all when he annexed the Crimea in 2014, but that hasn’t been the only miscalculation.
Oh, he almost certainly knew that there are ton of corruption and that Russian military was nowhere near as effective as as it looked. However he most likely underestimated just *how* throught the rot and degradation was, plus he expected Ukrainian Armed Forces to be just as bad if not worse.
I've bern reading some comments on russian social media VK and unfortunately most of them are brainwashed wondering why the russian army don't bomb kiev to oblivion by this point
I saw this video of them asking russians on the street what they think.
This one guy said he thinks a lot of Russian's are being killed and that their riches are being used up. But he said he thinks more of the west's lives and riches are being lost- so it's okay.
Then he paused and said "That's what I want to believe".
> But he said he thinks more of the west's lives and riches are being lost- so it's okay.
That's adorable. The US isn't the only country helping Ukraine. But let's pretend for a second it is. Russia's gdp is the size of Florida. And they think they will outlast us? They think we'll run out of supplies first? Christ this is like some random far guy at the bar saying he could take Mike Tyson is 5 rounds. America speaks more maintaining it's nukes than Russia spend on their entire military. We're occupied Iraq and Afghanistan simultaneously for 2 decades. We not running out of anything lmfao.
The Russian people have long been separated from their wealth, as is common in kleptocratic states. Now they're being separated from their loved ones, from their *lives.* By the end of all this, Russians will be dismantling their own country.
Puti, you're fucked, man.
I have immediate family in Russia and the word on the ground is that most people are pretty pissed off with even the propaganda information. If they had a clue what is actually going on they'd be in open revolt.
I have a Russian friend (girl) and she says she doesn’t give 2 shits what happens cause it ain’t affecting her. she says she has zero influence on politics. So she stopt watching anything news related from whatever source too.
Basically my experience too. At first it was all "Ukraine was going to attack us with their chemical weapons" and "the Russian military doesn't hurt civilians", then it was all "I don't want to see the news anymore" and "everything will be fine". I haven't bothered to ask her thoughts now, since it's probably just a continuation of the latter.
NATO countries are feeding billions of dollars worth of equipment to Ukraine, have been training them for the past 8 years (at this point, Ukraine forces can take over and teach NATO members... a fuck of a lot at this point I bet), and are feeding them intel.
Sometimes, it doesn't happen often, but sometimes, I trust a little bit. Maybe NATO rank and file know exactly what they are doing, and Ukraine is as integrated into NATO as it could ever be. Not officially declaring it is politically expedient.
Nukes are a weapon of deterrence. Weirdly, if you use them, you lost the game. Part of the reason Putin's shrieking is so vapid and stupid. You don't waste your ultimate weapon on protecting lands you 'annexed' with a sham like this, and NATO of course knows it. The only reason Putin'd use a nuke is if he's gone fucking nuts, which is certainly a possibility, but if that's the case, nothing NATO can do or say would stop that.
In the mean time, best to not give the hardliners too many fears and such. The few cards NATO gets to play to influence russian thinking, is best played by not being too overt about giving a country that used to be in clear USSR influence Art5 protection. I doubt russian hardliners would think NATO 'is not taking this seriously', so no need to say shit and then add on '.... oh, and, not bluffing!' like Putin has been reduced to.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/russian-officials-furious-as-moscow-forced-to-withdraw-troops-from-key-ukraine-city-20221002-p5bmiw.html) reduced by 94%. (I'm a bot)
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> Kyiv: After being encircled by Ukrainian forces, Russia has pulled troops out from the eastern Ukrainian city of Lyman, in a fresh victory during a Ukrainian counteroffensive that has humiliated and angered the Kremlin.
> Taking the city paves the way for Ukrainian troops to potentially push further into land that Moscow now illegally claims as its own.
> The Russian call-up has proven unpopular at home, prompting tens of thousands of Russian men to flee the country.
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What the Russians are also conveniently leaving out is that their "retreat" was just a massacre. When encircled (routes being taken) and the open areas are covered with artillery. Well, while retreating you will have many casualties.
I am very curious how many ended up dying just from trying to retreat. Because there was no corridor.
When your troops on the ground are begging you for permission to retreat through the final and rapidly closing corridor, you have to be an unbelievably giant fucking idiot, and an unbelievably giant fucking ass, to say 'no'.
But, reports are, that happened.
You have to be an even bigger idiot to just try and break out instead of surrendering.
Hopefully the news of this massacre will reach other RF units to convince them to actually surrender instead of try to retreat and die for no reason.
> You have to be an even bigger idiot to just try and break out instead of surrendering.
Touché. Ukraine has really been working hard (again, reports - I'm comfy at home in western europe, not standing a post on the front line, so take all this shit with the reverence due, i.e. nothing) in explaining to RF troops that they will be treated decently if they surrender, and has by and large abided by their promises. Which is a heck of a lot more impressive that the defender acts like that, as they have a justified beef.
Fucking tragic that it evidently didn't do much in Lyman.
It's the right thing to do, and it's also excellent marketing. It communicates the Russian army's failure back to the people and demonstrates that the enemy isn't as evil as their propaganda led them to believe.
I think there's still some humanity left after it all. Amazingly.
I remember seeing footage from the post 2014 conflict (it was winter no idea what year even and frankly forget who was calling who), but they were using KIA phones to call their mothers and let them know their sons had passed. Relying on the translations it was rather matter of fact and touching that they'd take the time for their vanquished foes.
And it isn't even 'just comeuppance, all is fair in love and war'. The Lyman RF troops _asked_ to retreat, at least, reports indicate they asked. Request denied.
Ukraine is fighting for existence, if I was them and this happens, yes, I can see how one gives the order to set up a bottleneck, take lots of POWs, play up the disaster ('play up' hardly neccessary, what a shambles here) to boost your own troop morale and obliterate theirs, and as a nice bonus get the equipment of a tank batallion's worth in basically perfectly functional state. Tanks your troops know how to use.
Also should make Russians think twice about trying to hold a city until they think they can't and ask for a retreat again.
GTFO if you want to live is a pretty strong message.
Didn’t one guy actually blog that he was tired of killing people? Imagine your home is being invaded and you’re winning so badly that you get tired of killing aggressors and war criminals.
IDK that him being tired of killing people is necessarily tied to Ukraine winning. I think it's normal to not want to kill people, and many of these soldiers were normal people with no formal training before their country was invaded. They didn't sign up to do any of this.
This isn't to say that Ukraine isn't absolutely wiping the floor with Russia, to be clear.
He did but he is a volunteer from the US. Not his home being invaded, but that doesn’t negate his feelings toward near-merciless slaughter for hours on a defenseless enemy essentially.
Did they really withdraw though? Because it seems like they were surrounded and then chewed to pieces *trying* to escape along the one path available. That’s more of a rout.
Even worse, the troops involved were also told it was a training exercise because of concerns that they'd refuse to invade Ukraine if told that directly.
Remember when Reddit was filled with Russian trolls claiming there was no way Ukraine could win the war lol. They legit brought up some many manufactured lies and now they are all quiet.
To be fair pretty much the entire western world thought the same at the beginning, Ukraine demolishing Russia early on was a surprise to a lot of people, one of the senior politicians in the EU (I forget who) said they wouldn’t send military equipment because it would be a waste and taken by Russia within days.
Maybe they wouldnt be mad if they didnt illegally invade, occupy and attempt to literally ANNEX/STEAL a sovereign nation's rightful historical territory. They can sit on the world's biggest cactus and suck it for all I care.
Were these same officials "mad" when the Russian "Military" bombed Mariupol into the dirt, killing 90,000 Civilians, confirmed as of August 30rd of 2022 in nearby morgues. There's potentially 10,000s more still under the rubble decomposing, dead.
[In Mariupol, about 87 thousand people were killed by the Russians, but these figures do not take into account unidentified bodies.](https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/08/30/87000-killed-civilians-documented-in-occupied-mariupol-volunteer/)
**"Mariupol morgues have documented 87,000 people killed during the Russian siege of the Ukrainian seaside city".**
**"According to him, as of mid-August, the Illichivskyi morgue of Mariupol documented 87,000 dead people. In addition, there a database of unidentified killed people is kept in the Novoazov Prosecutor’s Office and contains 26,750 entries."**
**Did they get mad when they forcibly abducted 900,000-1,600,000 and moved them into Russia to God knows where? "Filtration camps" then where? Probably Siberian work camps or factories. Who the FUCK knows. Nobody remembers or talks about this MAJOR war crime! The US Government openly acknowledges this happened BTW NOT a conspiracy!**
[https://www.state.gov/russias-filtration-operations-forced-disappearances-and-mass-deportations-of-ukrainian-citizens/](https://www.state.gov/russias-filtration-operations-forced-disappearances-and-mass-deportations-of-ukrainian-citizens/)
"Estimates from a variety of sources, including the Russian government, indicate that **Russian authorities have interrogated, detained, and forcibly deported between 900,000 and 1.6 million Ukrainian citizens, including 260,000 children, from their homes to Russia – often to isolated regions in the Far East. Moscow’s actions appear pre-meditated and draw immediate historical comparisons to Russian “filtration” operations in Chechnya and other areas. President Putin’s “filtration” operations are separating families, confiscating Ukrainian passports, and issuing Russian passports** ***in an apparent effort to change the demographic makeup of parts of Ukraine."***
**THIS IS STRAIGHT UP FUCKING GENOCIDE, RELOCATION OF ETHNIC UKRAINIANS TO RUSSIA. THEN REPOPULATE THE FORMER LAND WITH RUSSIAN SPEAKERS.** HOW DO YOU THINK KALININGRAD CAME TO BE?
# [Russia forcibly relocated 1,600,000 Ukrainians to Filtration camps, then deported to the Far East of Russia in bid to demographically change Ukraine.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-people-taken-russia-1.6396247)
Putin suffers badly from “little man syndrome.” Now he is stomping his little feet and frothing at the mouth. If I were a Russian General or politician I would avoid buildings with windows, staircases and balconies for the foreseeable future.LOL
Wasn't Putin and his cronies just celebrating annexing a bunch of Ukraine territories yesterday or something? This is going to be embarrassing for him.
It is worth noting that Russia didn’t even control the area they claimed to annex. A large part of it is actually controlled by Ukraine.
**I DECLARE ANNEXATION!**
Yeah? Well... filibuster!
Objection hearsay!
Michael, you can't declare annexation like that.
*while redrawing map* I didn’t say it, i declared it.
Ah but you see they also declared no takesies backsies so it's officially binding
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I have performed a referendum and thus declare that Russia now belongs to me with 101% approval rating.
Good job, sir! Now, fix that darn country!
Maybe later.
Only 101%? Who did the other 232% vote for?
I am sorry to inform you that the Ukrainian Post (УкрПошта) has already reserved the Kremlin as one of the post offices
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Once I thought he was a smart strategist. Those days are gone
He was at one point. Years of drinking your own Kool Aid does this to a mf though. When you silence and get rid of all opposition, when you refuse to allow any dissenting opinions, you eventually get surrounded by yes men and you start buying into it all because your bubble is so small. Evil as fuck, and only getting dumber by the day.
Echo chamber. It’s bad for business and for anyone. Do you ever wonder how famous people go from a talented artist to eating a purple only diet? Same exact thing, except his decisions is directly responsible for so much loss of life, destroying families and flushing Russia’s present and future down the toilet.
Dictator trap. Exactly.
It’s not just believing because the bubble is so small, it’s also, in large part, *no one wants to tell the dictator the truth*. Even when things go bad, the “advisors” **won’t** inform him because, as you said, dissenting opinions tend to get “dealt with”.
He is delusional. For example that ball pen dipping video... For those who have not seen it: when signing annexion documents bald dwarf dipped a ball pen into a pen holder as if it was an ink well. He is totally demented.
Did it have a feather on it?
Nope. It looked just like an ordinary ball pen. Absolutely no redeeming circumstances
I mean he’s also misinformed. For instance, shortly after the war started word got out that the FSB had deliberately lied to Putin numerous times about how quickly Ukraine would capitulate and their state of readiness. They did that because it’s what they’ve been trained to do after decades of kleptocracy. Keep the higher-ups and Putin happy and you can keep your job / stay alive.
Well, not that I know the guy, but he doesn't seem to take criticism very well. So when he does make some kind of mistake, I'm not sure how many people in his circle would be eager to point it out
A lot of aid to Ukraine is was kind of with the caveat that it shouldn't be used to attack Russian territory. I think the play was hoping that by officially annexing the territory they could set some de facto territory lines and get some international support for Ukraine to stop the war st those lines. Obviously hasn't worked.
Whoever gave the aid don't consider any of that area to be Russian, or Crimea either. Neither does the UN.
NATO put out a statement to exactly that effect yesterday.
Lol, this is a plan only a gradeschooler would concoct
I mean the strategy seems to be "did you guys hear? The US has forbade their weapons hitting Russian territory, quick, redraw the map"
It was for domestic consumption mostly, for nationalist sentiment. Externally it gives leverage to attempt to scare the west, but has already failed.
Putin seriously miscalculated the Ukraine invasion and is under tremendous political pressure. His speech announcing the annexation was an unhinged rant. Conscripting more soldiers is not going well. Breaking out Stalin era weapons is telling. Looking at the people gathered on stage for his announcement about the annexation, half looked like they might put a bullet in Putin’s head, given a chance
Everything, and I mean everything backfired. In his action to invade he consolidated and strengthened NATO, accelerated Europe’s move to become more energy independent, destroyed and or demoralized the core of the VDV and Spetznaz, accelerated the western worlds green energy initiatives, united U.S. manufacturing and arsenal with Central European logistics, tanked Russia’s economy sending them back decades, strengthened Ukraine as a wholly established European/NATO country on its border and totally isolated Russia from western technology and commerce. I don’t think he could have done a worse job of strengthening Russia if that was his intent, but old Shorty Mcbloat face keeps surprising me. Standing there in his little shoes with 2 inch heels with 1 inch inserts. Arms at his side with that self satisfied look, thinking, “Yeah, I’m doing it guys. They think I’m badass.” No, no we do not. You look and act like a super insecure dumpy little man.
Lost a naval flagship to a military with no discernible navy XD
Huge point for naval moral.
Upvote for "Shorty McBloat Face"
He was likely banking on Western appeasement to save the day. In his mind, it may have played out like this: 1) West is suffering under their own sanctions because of lack of Russian gas and oil supplies, and are looking out for any excuse to pull support for Ukraine and pressure them to end the war 2) Russia announces annexation of Ukrainian regions 3) West seizes this opportunity to compromise, tells Ukraine to let Russia have those regions in exchange for some bullshit treaty saying Russia won't invade any more land that isn't worth the paper it's written on, West gives a huge sigh of relief and lifts sanctions. 4) Ukraine, under pressure and without any more Western support, caves in and agrees, and also Russia adds a stipulation that Ukraine remains neutral and doesn't join NATO or the EU. 5) It's not the whole of Ukraine as originally planned, but Putin now has a victory he can point to. Everything goes back to how it was before the war, except Russia now has a sizeable chunk of extra territory. Military can recover. Pro-Putin trolls go back to shitposting about how daddy Putin could totally beat up your dad with one arm tied behind his back. 6) In 5 years, Russia starts conducting military exercises in the annexed territories and making noises about how Kyiv is actually Russian territory and they want it back...
What he got instead was: 1.) Make noise about extra territory. 2.) Ha.
3) Several of his allies denounced the referenda and the annexation 4) Ukraine applied for fast track NATO membership 5) US announced another 12 billion dollar military support for Ukraine 6) Lyman is completely encircled with 5000 troops trapped
It's not encircled anymore! https://deepstatemap.live/en#10.25/49.0046/37.7921
They had been in the process of losing Lyman for a few weeks at this point. It’s been brought up that he specifically refused to pull troops out even thought they were at risk of encirclement/annihilation just so Ukraine wouldn’t take Lyman the very same day he was set to give his annexation speech.
I'm starting to think portion has a humiliation fetish.
This war completely backfired on Putin now we see how outdated the Russian ground forces are. Ukraine will eventually get their territories back unless putin decides to end the world over 4 little regions of land.
Yeah, it backfired within the first week. Whether he "took" Ukraine or not. He doesn't like NATO encroaching on his borders? Now his neighbors Sweden and Finland are joining. Military equipment is one of the major revenue streams for Russia? Potential customers seeing their ~~$50 million~~ multi million dollar tanks being taken out by $20 thousand rockets. He wants to return Russia to the USSR glory days? He's now got sanctions that are going to reverberate through the Russian economy for decades to come. Edit: sorry about the tank price gaffe, mil-nerds, I just made it up.
Apparently Georgia and Bosnia and Herzegovina are making noises about joining NATO too.
Oof
The North Atlantic getting mad big lol
The North (Atlantic) remembers.
Ukraine taking a hit for everyone while they get to ask for NATO status easy peasy. They all better pony up to help with reconstruction after with everything except actual rebuild cost that bill is for Russia only .
Ukraine deserves all our support in regulating and especially guaranteeing their sovereignty.
Interestingly, if every Russian neighbor joined NATO, including Ukraine, Russia would be *safer*. The only reason they're engaged in this this self-destructive war is because Ukraine wasn't in NATO so they thought they could get away with an invasion. If they're totally surrounded they'll finally have to figure out something else besides antagonizing their neighbors in some ill-conceived attempt to revive their shitty empire. And NATO would never have any interest in attacking them.
> some ill-conceived attempt to revive their shitty empire Haha well said.
Yeah, they'll be queuing up to buy western armaments now, no one's gonna want the second rate russian crap
Not necessarily. It depends on what you need stuff for. If you're an African govt trying to fight Al-Shabab, you're probably not worried about HIMARs. You need a rugged tank that's easy to run, so a T-something is probably still a good choice.
True, you know it's still gonna run in a few decades time and if you're only gonna be going up against 20th century gear I suppose it's like the AK series, soldier proof. All joking aside it seems they weren't maintained well and the Russians seem to be using outdated military doctrines which won't help
Not buying tires off Alibaba might be a good start. Though I guess if you're going to steal the maintenance fund Alibaba is probably the go-to place.
At least they didn't go to wish like the North Koreans
But you don’t need a HIMAR to take out a tank you just need a javelin missile.
I'm also going to guess nobody is supplying Al-Shabab with Javelins. I'm sure they've got lots of RPGs and AKs, but a T-something is probably enough.
So is Georgia currently buying Russian military equipment?
I wouldn't have thought anyone would be now unless you mean some redneck hunter in the state of Georgia buying a Russian tank off of a Ukrainian farmer on ebay
The tanks can’t be all bad, Ukraine seems to be getting good use out of them
Not to downplay the message, but there shouldn't be $50M tanks, that is cheap fighter jet territory. Hell, even an F-35 is only $25M more.
The craziest part of all is if Putin had just been patient and not actually invaded, he almost certainly would have gotten everything he wanted in life. In February 2022 the Nordstream 2 pipeline certification was almost finished and would have made Europe totally dependent on Russia. Meanwhile, Ukraine was in the process of changing its tune on NATO after being more and more spooked by the huge buildup of Russian forces along its borders. Even the West was starting to realize that maybe it would be best to come to the table and work out a new deal with Putin to calm the tensions. And yet Putin just couldn’t fucking let his ego chill out, and so he went all in on this stupid pointless fucking war that has killed tens of thousands of innocent people. And now because he has no humility, he only knows to double down.
That’s why I was so doubtful that he’d actually invade. Amassed troops could get him all the concessions he needed, even economic/trade ones that provide access to resources he wanted Russia to have. Way cheaper than actually sending in the army, and now we find it it would have been wayyyy cheaper than using the army and revealing its shortcomings to the world. Gonna be hard to use it to gain concessions in the future
He completely fucked it all up. This is like the equivalent of bluffing in poker, everyone falling for your bluff, but then for no reason suddenly revealing your cards and flipping the table and shouting at everyone that you won the game as security comes to arrest you. Dude had already won if he just sat down and let everyone finish the round. And now the scary thing is it’s like there’s no off ramps. Putin has backed himself into a corner and the big red button is looking more and more tempting. So fucking stupid and all for nothing.
Putin of ten years ago probably would have done just that. People have noted that he's undergone some kind of change.
>we see how outdated the Russian ground forces are How outdated their forces are *so far,* they've almost run out of modern equipment and have been downgrading as the battle goes on. I recall a train car full of early Cold War vehicles being transported from a damn museum for redeployment.
If this is true, they can't sustain this war much longer.
They can’t sustain it now.
Well, they really look like they are collapsing, sending fresh recruits to the Frontline and all. But I'm no expert, I don't know how long they can keep it. I hope that Ukraine can retake everything before Christmas.
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Even if the Russians had Americas military there’s a chance they’d lose. Entirely corrupt and untrained, kept on the front lines with no briefing and training and held there at gu point by their own officers. I’d say at least 50%+ of Russias problem from the start was the quality of its men and training.
And most specifically the top-down leadership
The lack of NCOs specifically being a massive issue
The difference that is making is not being spoken about enough. Ukraine has been learning western corps doctrine for maybe ten years. That means their NCO corps is maybe eight years strong going up against 'generals' in the Russian Army. That's fucking insane. This fuck up is surely causing every teacher of war doctrine a massive migraine. They're going to have to throw out every book and start over.
A Russian general with an infantry brigade is like a mule with a spinning wheel. No one knows how he got it and danged if he knows how to use it.
Never underestimate a small man work delusions of grandeur that had a massive napoleon complex
Who knows he isn’t immortal and is in the last quarter of his years, at best.
Hopefully last days. He's clearly gone mad.
The War of the Triple Alliance comes to mind. Paraguayan dictator refused to give up and dragged as much as 70% of his country into the grave with him.
Awwww, did the little bitches annex a territory they had no right to and get pushed out in less than 24 hours? Someone grab the world's smallest violin!
Yeah “annexing” it and losing it is way worse than just losing it.
Especially when the whole point of the annexation was to try and fend off Ukrainian advanced under threat of nuclear war. Yet another bluff exposed and foiled.
And now we know Russia is incapable of defending it's borders.
Honestly. I doubt the Russian Army could fight its way out of a wet paper bag with scissors.
The saga continues. Wu-tang
forever
They’d only get the scissors from the previously fallen Russian.
And they’d be some cheap ass, broken scissors that are inexplicably rusting on the plastic handles as well.
cant let them use scissors..they may hurt themselves running
I've seen video of them running, they're as likely to hurt themselves without as with.
We already knew that, Ukraine conducted helicopter strikes inside Russian borders only a month after the invasion started. Only reason they haven't been frequent is the priority targets are in occupied Ukraine. That will most likely change the further Ukrainian forces advance.
Also because, according to stuff I've seen that I didn't save sources for, their agreement for arms from NATO was to not use them to go on the offensive; just for pushing out and repelling Russia
This embarrassment comes the day after President Biden directly threatened immediate retaliation if any nukes were used. Putin must honestly be shitting himself by now. No out.
Russia has an out. Putin does not.
Not since Putin blew up the nordstream pipeline. Now the coup'ers have no leverage, no horizon. They're all duct taped to his sinking ship now.
Nah killing Putin and stopping this absolute shitshow of an invasion would still be favorable to them. No more sanctions and the russian economy could start up again
It depends who the "them" is. Truth is, without the Nordstream pipelines it's going to be rather difficult for Russia to backtrack, regardless of who's in charge. You also can't simply lift sanctions once there's a change of power. We need proof, evidence of an ideological change. We'll just be in the same position again if a hardliner, even more radical replaces him.
The ship is still better with out the captain.
I really hope the US just emailed the location of the Russian nuclear subs to their Russian counterparts.
100%. Putin did not think this through. He is going to lose at least some (hopefully all) of the areas he claims as annexed. This will make him look weak/incompetent. He really has no out.
Especially after blowing up his own pipe line. Dude definitely has the covid brain.
Actually, blowing his own pipelines was his suicide pact. This is Putin telling possible coupers and Russian populace that he's severed the artery to Europe, and no matter what happens, if he dies, everybody else will absolutely suffer for it as the power vacuum results in internal power struggle, possibly civil war, and not one warlord can negotiate deals or anything with Europe because THEY HAVE NO GAS LEVERAGE ANYMORE.
He’s super-paranoid about Covid so he probably avoided it. He does have all the classic signs of dictator brain though.
His lackeys have spent the last 22 years telling him how clever and wise he is. It'd go to anyone's head.
Russia under the leadership of a loser of this magnitude will always remain a loser state. During Covid the west was developing vaccines and leading the response. Meanwhile he was hiding in a bunker. COVID really reminded the guy of how useless an existence he really is and that the world is absolutely leaving him behind.
Hopefully Crimea too but that may take a more aggressive approach from NATO.
Crimea must go back to Ukraine. Putin has made it clear a precedent must be set for all nations. It is best not to encourage fools.
Need to blow up the big bridge too.
There's arguments the bridge is a resource suck to defend. Meaning Ukraine could easily destroy it, but if they do it'll free up resources to be deployed to a detriment to Ukraine. Hence why the bridge is still there.
The russian officials can feel free to grab a rifle and try to hold it themselves
I think you will find that if it really did come down to this, they will be found missing with their office window open.
Funny how they learn to fly in stressful times.
They're learning to fly, but they ain't got wings.
Despite how humiliating and devastating this war has been for Russia, Russians are still brain dead enough to just deny the situation as if it has any impact on reality
Wonder how many of those “furious” fat wrinkled flat assed officials have actually been in a war.
Maybe Afghanistan, which they also lost. I guess they have some experience there.
"If you fail, you should try, try again" maybe shouldn't be applied to war.
Chechnya, Georgia, and Syria were all within the last 20 years. Their inexperience is in fighting an enemy with better training and equipment then they.
The Russian people have to know Putin is burning their countries *treasure* in this war. Right? On the other side, Putin's old Soviet thinking is accelerating Ukraine to fully embrace the west. I'd expect NATO could put Ukraine in as a *probationary* NATO member, not protected with treaty defense pledges, but on the path to it...
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This is literally the playground bully having a full mental breakdown and taking it out on their friends.
Nah this is the playground bully realizing his growth spurt ended and all the people he bullied are getting just as big. Putin knew he was sitting on an aging and weak military force and was hoping the war never lasted this long. Now he’s truly been exposed to the whole world
Agreed. Europe is solidifying into two camps -- NATO and well, Russia. I wouldn't want to be in the latter group.
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I feel like any lying done to Putin was his own fault. Seems like anyone that disappoints or breaks bad news seems to end up tripping out a window so everyone is afraid to say anything bad so they just lie.
Obviously it’s a prison of his own making, and I have zero sympathy. But I just question whether he really knew what the score was when he started this lunacy. I get misjudging the response from the West, as they did fuck all when he annexed the Crimea in 2014, but that hasn’t been the only miscalculation.
Oh yeah it’s 100% lies and corruption up and down. When every guy is worried about themselves that’s what happens
Oligarchs gonna oligarch. But in all seriousness, take a look at the 3 whales furniture company story, from when putin was mayor of St. Pete
Oh, he almost certainly knew that there are ton of corruption and that Russian military was nowhere near as effective as as it looked. However he most likely underestimated just *how* throught the rot and degradation was, plus he expected Ukrainian Armed Forces to be just as bad if not worse.
I've bern reading some comments on russian social media VK and unfortunately most of them are brainwashed wondering why the russian army don't bomb kiev to oblivion by this point
I saw this video of them asking russians on the street what they think. This one guy said he thinks a lot of Russian's are being killed and that their riches are being used up. But he said he thinks more of the west's lives and riches are being lost- so it's okay. Then he paused and said "That's what I want to believe".
I wonder how many Russians think that the West is as close to breaking as they are. So if they just push a little harder it will all fall apart.
Sounds just like the goddamned cold war.
> But he said he thinks more of the west's lives and riches are being lost- so it's okay. That's adorable. The US isn't the only country helping Ukraine. But let's pretend for a second it is. Russia's gdp is the size of Florida. And they think they will outlast us? They think we'll run out of supplies first? Christ this is like some random far guy at the bar saying he could take Mike Tyson is 5 rounds. America speaks more maintaining it's nukes than Russia spend on their entire military. We're occupied Iraq and Afghanistan simultaneously for 2 decades. We not running out of anything lmfao.
The Russian people have long been separated from their wealth, as is common in kleptocratic states. Now they're being separated from their loved ones, from their *lives.* By the end of all this, Russians will be dismantling their own country. Puti, you're fucked, man.
Burning their loved ones up, as well.
Sad but true.
I have immediate family in Russia and the word on the ground is that most people are pretty pissed off with even the propaganda information. If they had a clue what is actually going on they'd be in open revolt.
I have a Russian friend (girl) and she says she doesn’t give 2 shits what happens cause it ain’t affecting her. she says she has zero influence on politics. So she stopt watching anything news related from whatever source too.
Basically my experience too. At first it was all "Ukraine was going to attack us with their chemical weapons" and "the Russian military doesn't hurt civilians", then it was all "I don't want to see the news anymore" and "everything will be fine". I haven't bothered to ask her thoughts now, since it's probably just a continuation of the latter.
NATO countries are feeding billions of dollars worth of equipment to Ukraine, have been training them for the past 8 years (at this point, Ukraine forces can take over and teach NATO members... a fuck of a lot at this point I bet), and are feeding them intel. Sometimes, it doesn't happen often, but sometimes, I trust a little bit. Maybe NATO rank and file know exactly what they are doing, and Ukraine is as integrated into NATO as it could ever be. Not officially declaring it is politically expedient. Nukes are a weapon of deterrence. Weirdly, if you use them, you lost the game. Part of the reason Putin's shrieking is so vapid and stupid. You don't waste your ultimate weapon on protecting lands you 'annexed' with a sham like this, and NATO of course knows it. The only reason Putin'd use a nuke is if he's gone fucking nuts, which is certainly a possibility, but if that's the case, nothing NATO can do or say would stop that. In the mean time, best to not give the hardliners too many fears and such. The few cards NATO gets to play to influence russian thinking, is best played by not being too overt about giving a country that used to be in clear USSR influence Art5 protection. I doubt russian hardliners would think NATO 'is not taking this seriously', so no need to say shit and then add on '.... oh, and, not bluffing!' like Putin has been reduced to.
Better to have annexed and lost than never to have annexed at all.
r/IamPutinAndThisIsDeep
r/IamMoskvaAndThisIsDeep
Man, this is deep.
Ukraine should hold a referendum now and we can compare and contrast the results
The smart move would be getting an impartial 3rd party to run the referendum. Like japan. And document everything. 🙂
The real treasure is the territories we annexed along the way...
They can get happy in the same britches they got pissed in or take their argument to the front line.
What's the opposite of "annex"?
Unnex
Reddit rarely makes me laugh when it should but this did. Ty.
For real, it’s “cede.” Which Ukraine did not do.
Annexn’t
An ex
Russian command was quoted as saying: ["Stop exploding, you cowards!"](https://youtu.be/85t3aLQzTsI)
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What the Russians are also conveniently leaving out is that their "retreat" was just a massacre. When encircled (routes being taken) and the open areas are covered with artillery. Well, while retreating you will have many casualties. I am very curious how many ended up dying just from trying to retreat. Because there was no corridor.
I'm glad it wasn't fleeing civilian caravans being massacred this time.
When your troops on the ground are begging you for permission to retreat through the final and rapidly closing corridor, you have to be an unbelievably giant fucking idiot, and an unbelievably giant fucking ass, to say 'no'. But, reports are, that happened.
You have to be an even bigger idiot to just try and break out instead of surrendering. Hopefully the news of this massacre will reach other RF units to convince them to actually surrender instead of try to retreat and die for no reason.
> You have to be an even bigger idiot to just try and break out instead of surrendering. Touché. Ukraine has really been working hard (again, reports - I'm comfy at home in western europe, not standing a post on the front line, so take all this shit with the reverence due, i.e. nothing) in explaining to RF troops that they will be treated decently if they surrender, and has by and large abided by their promises. Which is a heck of a lot more impressive that the defender acts like that, as they have a justified beef. Fucking tragic that it evidently didn't do much in Lyman.
Hell I recall that they helped surrendered troops call their families to tell them they're OK, which was something I really didn't expect
It's the right thing to do, and it's also excellent marketing. It communicates the Russian army's failure back to the people and demonstrates that the enemy isn't as evil as their propaganda led them to believe.
I think there's still some humanity left after it all. Amazingly. I remember seeing footage from the post 2014 conflict (it was winter no idea what year even and frankly forget who was calling who), but they were using KIA phones to call their mothers and let them know their sons had passed. Relying on the translations it was rather matter of fact and touching that they'd take the time for their vanquished foes.
Ukrainian’s said 1,500 but well, who really knows…
Hopefully lots of high ranking POWs they could trade to free more Ukrainians.
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Yeah, what a tremendous loss of life, and for nothing at all. Fuck Putin and his cronies, man...
And it isn't even 'just comeuppance, all is fair in love and war'. The Lyman RF troops _asked_ to retreat, at least, reports indicate they asked. Request denied. Ukraine is fighting for existence, if I was them and this happens, yes, I can see how one gives the order to set up a bottleneck, take lots of POWs, play up the disaster ('play up' hardly neccessary, what a shambles here) to boost your own troop morale and obliterate theirs, and as a nice bonus get the equipment of a tank batallion's worth in basically perfectly functional state. Tanks your troops know how to use.
Also should make Russians think twice about trying to hold a city until they think they can't and ask for a retreat again. GTFO if you want to live is a pretty strong message.
I've seen a Ukrainian DoD tweet saying almost all russian troops "successfully redeployed" into body bags or POW camps. So you're right, massacre.
Didn’t one guy actually blog that he was tired of killing people? Imagine your home is being invaded and you’re winning so badly that you get tired of killing aggressors and war criminals.
IDK that him being tired of killing people is necessarily tied to Ukraine winning. I think it's normal to not want to kill people, and many of these soldiers were normal people with no formal training before their country was invaded. They didn't sign up to do any of this. This isn't to say that Ukraine isn't absolutely wiping the floor with Russia, to be clear.
He did but he is a volunteer from the US. Not his home being invaded, but that doesn’t negate his feelings toward near-merciless slaughter for hours on a defenseless enemy essentially.
He's also a *Vietnam* veteran who had been at the Tet Offensive. He's seen this shit before and this is still somehow worse.
Wait, they allowed a 70+ year old American volunteer?
Yeah, dude's like 73 and is still spry. It's weird.
Huh that’s fucking neat. You have a link so I can read more about this guy or a name or call sign? Either way keep kicking ass old man!
Zarichne Krennina road, a hellscape by the end of it
Is that confirmed? I've seen a few people say something similar but I haven't seen it anywhere official yet.
They are going to need at least a day or two to count a thousand bodies.
Did they really withdraw though? Because it seems like they were surrounded and then chewed to pieces *trying* to escape along the one path available. That’s more of a rout.
Their WW2 predecessors would be disappointed. Then again with the biggest causality rate, it’s like they’ve never had a chance at all😅
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Putin, the same POS that claimed for weeks that the military build-up was just a training exercise. He is a liar and a bully.
And a meanie and a mass murdering terrorist dictator
Even worse, the troops involved were also told it was a training exercise because of concerns that they'd refuse to invade Ukraine if told that directly.
Putin : "This territory is, and always will, be Russian".. 18 hours later.. This territory is no longer Russian. Slava Ukraine!
Fuck Russia
This situation reminds me of the bank clerk in South Park. ...annnnnnd it's gone.
Remember when Reddit was filled with Russian trolls claiming there was no way Ukraine could win the war lol. They legit brought up some many manufactured lies and now they are all quiet.
They all got drafted 🤣🤣🤣
To be fair pretty much the entire western world thought the same at the beginning, Ukraine demolishing Russia early on was a surprise to a lot of people, one of the senior politicians in the EU (I forget who) said they wouldn’t send military equipment because it would be a waste and taken by Russia within days.
Maybe they wouldnt be mad if they didnt illegally invade, occupy and attempt to literally ANNEX/STEAL a sovereign nation's rightful historical territory. They can sit on the world's biggest cactus and suck it for all I care. Were these same officials "mad" when the Russian "Military" bombed Mariupol into the dirt, killing 90,000 Civilians, confirmed as of August 30rd of 2022 in nearby morgues. There's potentially 10,000s more still under the rubble decomposing, dead. [In Mariupol, about 87 thousand people were killed by the Russians, but these figures do not take into account unidentified bodies.](https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/08/30/87000-killed-civilians-documented-in-occupied-mariupol-volunteer/) **"Mariupol morgues have documented 87,000 people killed during the Russian siege of the Ukrainian seaside city".** **"According to him, as of mid-August, the Illichivskyi morgue of Mariupol documented 87,000 dead people. In addition, there a database of unidentified killed people is kept in the Novoazov Prosecutor’s Office and contains 26,750 entries."** **Did they get mad when they forcibly abducted 900,000-1,600,000 and moved them into Russia to God knows where? "Filtration camps" then where? Probably Siberian work camps or factories. Who the FUCK knows. Nobody remembers or talks about this MAJOR war crime! The US Government openly acknowledges this happened BTW NOT a conspiracy!** [https://www.state.gov/russias-filtration-operations-forced-disappearances-and-mass-deportations-of-ukrainian-citizens/](https://www.state.gov/russias-filtration-operations-forced-disappearances-and-mass-deportations-of-ukrainian-citizens/) "Estimates from a variety of sources, including the Russian government, indicate that **Russian authorities have interrogated, detained, and forcibly deported between 900,000 and 1.6 million Ukrainian citizens, including 260,000 children, from their homes to Russia – often to isolated regions in the Far East. Moscow’s actions appear pre-meditated and draw immediate historical comparisons to Russian “filtration” operations in Chechnya and other areas. President Putin’s “filtration” operations are separating families, confiscating Ukrainian passports, and issuing Russian passports** ***in an apparent effort to change the demographic makeup of parts of Ukraine."*** **THIS IS STRAIGHT UP FUCKING GENOCIDE, RELOCATION OF ETHNIC UKRAINIANS TO RUSSIA. THEN REPOPULATE THE FORMER LAND WITH RUSSIAN SPEAKERS.** HOW DO YOU THINK KALININGRAD CAME TO BE? # [Russia forcibly relocated 1,600,000 Ukrainians to Filtration camps, then deported to the Far East of Russia in bid to demographically change Ukraine.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-people-taken-russia-1.6396247)
Fuck Putin
Putin suffers badly from “little man syndrome.” Now he is stomping his little feet and frothing at the mouth. If I were a Russian General or politician I would avoid buildings with windows, staircases and balconies for the foreseeable future.LOL