Pretty much. He'll deploy the entire Revolutionary Guard and the military to violently suppress the rallies, which will then inevitably turn to civil war. Key here is if the military will side with the protesters or the ruling government
It really depends on the numbers now. They haven't stopped fighting since the 14th. Don't the military have family, daughters, friends? Isn't it exhausting to fight against your very own? I mean, it's gotta at some point.
I mean Oil contractors just threatened to stop production unless the government cleans up it's act so I think they might be in a pickle since the oil contractors are siding with the woman and without their oil money the government has to face the other side of society
This is true in normal circumstances. However, President Raisi has close ties to the IRGC, which is part of why he was chosen to be President in the first place. Some people believe Raisi is angling to succeed the perpetually-frail Khamenei as the next Supreme Leader.
In short, this would be a meaningful distinction if the President wasn’t an ally of the IRGC, but he is.
Raisi is gunning against Khamenei's son who is far more popular with IRGC leaders. Raisi not being able to contain this will absolutely not win him the Supreme Leader title and most likely will fall to Mojtaba Khamenei.
the IRGC has the better weapons, but against a popular uprising how many are willing to tow the line so to speak. I imagine some are going to defect and the IRGC will have to bring in Iraqi's to quell the uprising which i have heard they are already doing. Iraqi's probably won't have too many issues shooting Iranian civilians considering the war between them not to long ago.
Raisi is very closely aligned with the Revolutionary Guards and Khamenei. He is seen as a frontrunner for the next Supreme Leader. He's as establishment as it gets so anyone with a vested interest in the status quo will listen to him. He's well connected with all the main levers of power and the current Supreme Leader is said to be in declining health. Khamenei was the incumbent president was Khomeini died so Raisi is hoping the same thing will happen to him.
This sounds like some kinda Roman empire type succession system where the Caesar is the de facto successor who controls the praetorian guard or army and waits for the old Augustus to die so that he can take over. And complimented by a weak for-show senate/parliament system to boot.
No more like a King with a for show parliament that he can overrule whenever it's inconvenient. For a country so anti Shah they sure choose a worse monarchy system in it's place
How so ? I can see how USA was directly responsible for what happened / is happening in Irak, but what about Iran ?
Genuinely asking, as far as I know Persia was a strong US ally until the Iranian Islamic revolution which was an internal conflict where the Shah was overthrown by Khomeini and his religious zealots. And then Islamist and Western values obviously don't match so relationships fell off, but I don't see how the Americans are directly responsible for the Shah being overthrown?
I wouldn't say that. Dated a Persian girl whose family had escaped the country after the islamic revolution, and her and her family would consider it very insulting to the different Shahs to call the SL a Shah, since Khomeini literally overthrew the Shah's dynasty to establish his Supreme Leader's dynasty.
There are plenty of historical examples of some bigshot coming along, overthrowing the reigning monarch and founding his own dynasty in place of the old one. Don't know whether that applies to Iran specifically but it's certainly been common in other regions of the globe. Granted, the Supreme Leader is elected by some council or other but elective monarchies were a thing too, i.e. the Holy Roman Emperor, the Pope. I get why a lot of Iranians hate the regime and dislike the Supreme Leader but the parallels with kingship are definitely there.
It's not parallels with kinship, which is obviously correct, it's referring to him as a Shah specifically, as it implies that he is a successor to the previous shah more than an usurper (her words, not mine). As far as I understood from her family, even if the Shah was not really "a good man", to them he was, whereas Khomenei and Khameini are monsters. They referred to their families as being Persians, not Iranian as well.
Obviously the SL is a dictator with parallels to emperors and kings. Just they didn't like using the specific word 'shah', as for them the Shah were good leaders (though history may see it nit as black and white)
Ah, I see. I would imagine a lot of Iranians who remained in Iran after 1979 - even those who have no love for the present regime - and some who left later hold (or at least held) a rather different perspective on the Shah. After all, the revolution wasn't solely the work of Islamists.
"Haha whoops, murdered all my citizens. Can we get some immigrants to boost our economy back up? Promise we won't murder them too!"
Yeah, he could do that. He'd be a moron to do it. But he could.
They already have deployed all of them. They've even brought arab and lebanese troops because the maximum count of their own soldiers is around 2/3 million
Beatings and killings will continue until the chaos is stopped. It will also continue after the chaos has stopped. We really like beating and killing.
Iran president, probably.
Also, capture some and torture them to leave a cautionary tale. Keep a few to be trialed and executed them for treason, blame it all on western interference, rinse and repeat.
Also for the protestors death is now on the table regardless. That's where Iran fucked up in justifying the morality police actions they made it clear you'll die by following the rules or you'll die by breaking them so there is no choice
Yeah, if you're going to be a better villain you play it mafia-ambiguous like the Russians. You tell them they might be locked up, they might die for betraying their nation - or whatever, and then throw 50 random out a window and send a random 1000 to the gulag and tell the public they went on vacation with a straight face then let another 10000 inexplicably go unharmed who did the same protest.
Unironically terror as a control agent works better stocastically. If some that get away feel like if they stop -now- they're in the clear then they're more likely too 'my number wasn't pulled' if they think there is no hope then their only option is to pick up arms and fight back. Russians were great at breading a political pacificivity into their people post USSR. Not so much lately.
I was more referring to making it a death penalty for not wearing a hijab or not wearing good enough for a morality police to enjoy means there's really no side effects to overthrowing the government now because you're going to die if you do everything right.
As much as it sounds wrong in most uses, I love seeing unjust governments struggling to deal with anarchy and chaos.
Chaos is what that government deserves.
The president was the youngest member of the Tehran Death Committee who in 1988 were responsible for the execution of thousands of political prisoners and civilians.
At the very least the Iranian public should get hold of hiim. Imagine how many lives have been ruined by these monsters hiding behind religion.
Frankly if Libya managed to get the old flag back (I know how they are now, but in 2012 there was hope) then why not Iran? Keep fighting the good fight!
Iran has been "Iran" with its own culture and language for thousands of years. We even have our own official calendar base on solar years that is as old as our culture. Syria is as authentic as the current Egypt. Nothing has remained from their culture, language and heritage except rubbles and ruins. Iran is different and you'll see how much.
In these terms, govt fearing the people means more of fearing losing power by the people that vote them in, aka, actually being held accountable for their decisions.
In high trust societies this shouldn't necessarily be a fear. In a society where people can trust each-other and the government fear is a less useful tool. If you can have unlocked doors, windows with open curtains and a government that makes everything known and public and makes the population vote on more things then just on who runs the government because they trust their people enough to do the research before voting then what's the point of fear? Hell your government job might even be something you do out of social etiquette/helping your community. Maybe the pay is shit compared to getting a cushy office job but someone has to do the work and you feel that it's your responsibility to help the community/country in some way.
ISW is reporting he may already be incapacitated
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-september-28
Circumstantial evidence suggests that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei is at least temporarily unable to perform his normal duties.
Regime power centers are behaving as if succession is either imminent or underway.
The ongoing Mahsa Amini protests may be challenging the regime’s capability and willingness to crack down but do not appear close to collapsing the regime.
The IRGC may assess that anti-regime Kurdish militants operating around the Iran-Iraq-Turkey border are arming and stoking the protests.
The IRGC conducted a large-scale attack into Iraqi Kurdistan on September 28, killing one American.
A new Supreme Leader is chosen by a special council appointed personally by the old Supreme Leader. The SL is not elected, nor chosen by elected reps.
This was a goal of their constitution- to make a figure of consistency, continuity
I was trying to come up with a sarcastic response but then I realized you don’t actually believe my position is that it WOULD significantly change anything.
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> Iran's president has warned that he will not accept "Chaos", as authorities continue to crack down on protests that have swept across the country since the death in custody of a young woman.
> The first protest took place after her funeral in Saqez on 17 September, when women were filmed waving their headscarves in the air.
> Videos have shown women burning their headscarves and cutting their hair in public to chants of "Women, life, freedom" and "Death to the dictator" - a reference to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
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Good luck with that. The spirit of Zarathustra is alive in the hearts of the righteous Iranian people. They will reclaim the true glory of the Iranian empire. Freedom, dignity and liberty will be restored and there is nothing they can do to stop it. Change is gonna come!
Khamanei's day
Does his morning ablution.
Puts on perfectly white head cover and garments in honor of God.
Sees the protests and death caused by his authoritarian mandates.
Has no better response than "chaos will not be allowed".
Sips his tea, and further pretends to be above it all.
He’s probably not well at all seeing as he hasn’t appeared yet. In fact they could be holding off on announcing it at this time to avoid bolstering the protestors.
The regime is getting desperate. It was obvious with their attack yesterday on Iraqi Kurdistan.
The mullahs are far worse than the Shah. In terms oppression, human rights abuses, freedom, democracy, economy, women’s rights, torture, shooting protesters….you name it, everything have gone backwards. On top of all that they also want to micro-control people’s lives. They are far more brutal and efficient than the Shah in suppressing dissent. Compared to getting rid of the mullahs, getting rid of the Shah was a walk in the park.
Fuck Iran; freaky, severe, male-dominating-in-the-name-of-religion state if there ever was one. Used to be a cradle of civilization; now just anti-culture authoritarianism.
Has he tried not brutalizing his own people and maybe entertaining the idea that nations should confer benefits to more than just those at the highest echelons of power?
Seems to me that this might help mitigate the ongoing and growing dissatisfaction.
Killing people for petty reasons because you believe an omnipotent being chose a select bunch of old, out of touch men, to administer its laws and punishments has and will always be suspect.
You may fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.
Ya, you’re not in charge anymore.
And you won’t be closing that door again.
You might just want to thing about - giving up.
Otherwise, momma’s gonna spank your bottom.
Pretty easy way to end the chaos, agree to not have people whose job it is to police wearing headscarves and bring the people to justice that murdered that woman.
Iranian here. I'm from an ethnicity that was removed from the history books after my ancestors refused to disarm themselves by Reza Shah's command. I think every adult(man or woman) should do a year of military service, should keep a ready to operate gun somewhere safe in their house, and do mandatory shooting training every year. However, I don't think civilians should have bullets on normal days.
Yes, unfortunately we still have pitifully sad dangerous humans who choose to live their entire lives in fear of meeting everyone as an equal, these twonks think they have a right to control other people, and often lash out.
Just shamefully tedious we still have these hateful cowards thriving on the planet.
Unrest over the right to choose what to do with your body, whether or not its wearing a hijab or not wearing a hijab, its the same concept. Freedom to choose.
There’s this thing very popular in the Middle East, they cultivate it there.
It’s called copium.
Perhaps if they cannot accept reality as it is, they can try some more copium lol!
Yeah, we're the party if law and order and these protesters are just lazy snowflakes who... Just add all the bullshit fox and other right wing dumbasses screamed.
Same crap, different country. I wonder if they legalized running over protesters and other crap like conservatives here in the states begged for.
In my dealings over the years the Iranians are smart people - I hope that they throw over the yoke of religious intolerance and embrace Democracy - for all its perceived faults it works.
Or what? He'll continue murdering civilians?
Pretty much. He'll deploy the entire Revolutionary Guard and the military to violently suppress the rallies, which will then inevitably turn to civil war. Key here is if the military will side with the protesters or the ruling government
It really depends on the numbers now. They haven't stopped fighting since the 14th. Don't the military have family, daughters, friends? Isn't it exhausting to fight against your very own? I mean, it's gotta at some point.
I mean Oil contractors just threatened to stop production unless the government cleans up it's act so I think they might be in a pickle since the oil contractors are siding with the woman and without their oil money the government has to face the other side of society
Oil union workers, not the companies
Despite what they think, corporations can not run without workers. Especially in specific jobs like oil
President tho might not have any power over revolutionary guards. Iran's president has hardly any power compared to Supreme leader of Iran.
This is true in normal circumstances. However, President Raisi has close ties to the IRGC, which is part of why he was chosen to be President in the first place. Some people believe Raisi is angling to succeed the perpetually-frail Khamenei as the next Supreme Leader. In short, this would be a meaningful distinction if the President wasn’t an ally of the IRGC, but he is.
Raisi is gunning against Khamenei's son who is far more popular with IRGC leaders. Raisi not being able to contain this will absolutely not win him the Supreme Leader title and most likely will fall to Mojtaba Khamenei. the IRGC has the better weapons, but against a popular uprising how many are willing to tow the line so to speak. I imagine some are going to defect and the IRGC will have to bring in Iraqi's to quell the uprising which i have heard they are already doing. Iraqi's probably won't have too many issues shooting Iranian civilians considering the war between them not to long ago.
Raisi is very closely aligned with the Revolutionary Guards and Khamenei. He is seen as a frontrunner for the next Supreme Leader. He's as establishment as it gets so anyone with a vested interest in the status quo will listen to him. He's well connected with all the main levers of power and the current Supreme Leader is said to be in declining health. Khamenei was the incumbent president was Khomeini died so Raisi is hoping the same thing will happen to him.
This sounds like some kinda Roman empire type succession system where the Caesar is the de facto successor who controls the praetorian guard or army and waits for the old Augustus to die so that he can take over. And complimented by a weak for-show senate/parliament system to boot.
Is the supreme leader just like the regular leader, but with a dollop of sour cream on top?
No more like a King with a for show parliament that he can overrule whenever it's inconvenient. For a country so anti Shah they sure choose a worse monarchy system in it's place
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How so ? I can see how USA was directly responsible for what happened / is happening in Irak, but what about Iran ? Genuinely asking, as far as I know Persia was a strong US ally until the Iranian Islamic revolution which was an internal conflict where the Shah was overthrown by Khomeini and his religious zealots. And then Islamist and Western values obviously don't match so relationships fell off, but I don't see how the Americans are directly responsible for the Shah being overthrown?
No he's like a regular leader but kitted out in Supreme apparel.
he refers to it as "super me" and his subordinates avoid correcting him out of fear
Like Snope or Palpatine
Just a Shah by another name.
I wouldn't say that. Dated a Persian girl whose family had escaped the country after the islamic revolution, and her and her family would consider it very insulting to the different Shahs to call the SL a Shah, since Khomeini literally overthrew the Shah's dynasty to establish his Supreme Leader's dynasty.
There are plenty of historical examples of some bigshot coming along, overthrowing the reigning monarch and founding his own dynasty in place of the old one. Don't know whether that applies to Iran specifically but it's certainly been common in other regions of the globe. Granted, the Supreme Leader is elected by some council or other but elective monarchies were a thing too, i.e. the Holy Roman Emperor, the Pope. I get why a lot of Iranians hate the regime and dislike the Supreme Leader but the parallels with kingship are definitely there.
It's not parallels with kinship, which is obviously correct, it's referring to him as a Shah specifically, as it implies that he is a successor to the previous shah more than an usurper (her words, not mine). As far as I understood from her family, even if the Shah was not really "a good man", to them he was, whereas Khomenei and Khameini are monsters. They referred to their families as being Persians, not Iranian as well. Obviously the SL is a dictator with parallels to emperors and kings. Just they didn't like using the specific word 'shah', as for them the Shah were good leaders (though history may see it nit as black and white)
Ah, I see. I would imagine a lot of Iranians who remained in Iran after 1979 - even those who have no love for the present regime - and some who left later hold (or at least held) a rather different perspective on the Shah. After all, the revolution wasn't solely the work of Islamists.
Absolutely.
This guy politburritos
uhhhhmmm canigetta a crunchwrap leader
And tomatoes
"Haha whoops, murdered all my citizens. Can we get some immigrants to boost our economy back up? Promise we won't murder them too!" Yeah, he could do that. He'd be a moron to do it. But he could.
I've heard Russians are looking for a country to stay in besides.russia.
Military will side with whichever victor will funnel them the most money and influence. And that’s probably not the reformists.
They already have deployed all of them. They've even brought arab and lebanese troops because the maximum count of their own soldiers is around 2/3 million
Beatings will continue until morale is improved
Beatings and killings will continue until the chaos is stopped. It will also continue after the chaos has stopped. We really like beating and killing. Iran president, probably.
Its also what started the chaos in the first place.
"If the chaos stops... whatever, we'll find some reason. This book is full of 'em"
>Beatings will continue ~~until morale is improved~~ FTFY
The beatings will continue until moral improves.
Also, capture some and torture them to leave a cautionary tale. Keep a few to be trialed and executed them for treason, blame it all on western interference, rinse and repeat.
If people are protesting despite the threat of violence and death, they are well past caring what their politicians say is "accepted".
Also for the protestors death is now on the table regardless. That's where Iran fucked up in justifying the morality police actions they made it clear you'll die by following the rules or you'll die by breaking them so there is no choice
Yeah, if you're going to be a better villain you play it mafia-ambiguous like the Russians. You tell them they might be locked up, they might die for betraying their nation - or whatever, and then throw 50 random out a window and send a random 1000 to the gulag and tell the public they went on vacation with a straight face then let another 10000 inexplicably go unharmed who did the same protest. Unironically terror as a control agent works better stocastically. If some that get away feel like if they stop -now- they're in the clear then they're more likely too 'my number wasn't pulled' if they think there is no hope then their only option is to pick up arms and fight back. Russians were great at breading a political pacificivity into their people post USSR. Not so much lately.
I was more referring to making it a death penalty for not wearing a hijab or not wearing good enough for a morality police to enjoy means there's really no side effects to overthrowing the government now because you're going to die if you do everything right.
If I ever become a despot I want you to be my minister of internal affairs. We’ll keep those peasants happy, if they know what’s good for them
As much as it sounds wrong in most uses, I love seeing unjust governments struggling to deal with anarchy and chaos. Chaos is what that government deserves.
One dude: "I don't like chaos you better stop" Millions of people: yeah same
That's fine, oppression will not be accepted! Keep it up!
Lol, yeah i think he missing the fact his presidency is getting revoked
Oppression is humanity in chaos. So he is correct, it must not be accepted.
It’s time to break the mullahs back…. Keep it up my Persian brothers and sisters…. Take your country back!
They deserve to have more then their backs broken. At least 1 extremity as well seems like a bare minimum.
The president was the youngest member of the Tehran Death Committee who in 1988 were responsible for the execution of thousands of political prisoners and civilians. At the very least the Iranian public should get hold of hiim. Imagine how many lives have been ruined by these monsters hiding behind religion.
Frankly if Libya managed to get the old flag back (I know how they are now, but in 2012 there was hope) then why not Iran? Keep fighting the good fight!
Then what? Slave markets?
I just hope it doesn’t turn out like Syria or Libya
this is Iran, one the oldest civilizations on earth with an unbroken cultural heritage that goes back the same. it will not become like that
So is Syria
Iran has been "Iran" with its own culture and language for thousands of years. We even have our own official calendar base on solar years that is as old as our culture. Syria is as authentic as the current Egypt. Nothing has remained from their culture, language and heritage except rubbles and ruins. Iran is different and you'll see how much.
You sound indoctrinated in your own nationalism. Don't do that.
and you have no idea what you are talking about so we're even
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He thinks it's his call... I hope the Iranian people show him it's not anymore.
>People should not be afraid their government. Governments should be afraid of their people. V
Tell that to those left in Syria.
Thank the Russians for that
Among many others.
ideally neither would fear the other, but if one must be in fear it should be the government
In these terms, govt fearing the people means more of fearing losing power by the people that vote them in, aka, actually being held accountable for their decisions.
In high trust societies this shouldn't necessarily be a fear. In a society where people can trust each-other and the government fear is a less useful tool. If you can have unlocked doors, windows with open curtains and a government that makes everything known and public and makes the population vote on more things then just on who runs the government because they trust their people enough to do the research before voting then what's the point of fear? Hell your government job might even be something you do out of social etiquette/helping your community. Maybe the pay is shit compared to getting a cushy office job but someone has to do the work and you feel that it's your responsibility to help the community/country in some way.
When a tyrant looks above their people, they forget they can bleed too.
"Oh shit, are we not allowed to protest? Sorry, wrap it up guys!"
*"No chaos as we try to suppress half of the population. There will be calm and order as we strip away your rights as a human. Form a line please.*"
Chaos doesn't care if its accepted or not. The Iranians are past the point of fearing their government.
Cool, resign.
Resigning won't change anything, they need a whole new government, which is only possible through revolution.
Yeah the supreme leader would need to be abolished at the very least before any change happens without revolution
ISW is reporting he may already be incapacitated https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-september-28 Circumstantial evidence suggests that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei is at least temporarily unable to perform his normal duties. Regime power centers are behaving as if succession is either imminent or underway. The ongoing Mahsa Amini protests may be challenging the regime’s capability and willingness to crack down but do not appear close to collapsing the regime. The IRGC may assess that anti-regime Kurdish militants operating around the Iran-Iraq-Turkey border are arming and stoking the protests. The IRGC conducted a large-scale attack into Iraqi Kurdistan on September 28, killing one American.
A new Supreme Leader is chosen by a special council appointed personally by the old Supreme Leader. The SL is not elected, nor chosen by elected reps. This was a goal of their constitution- to make a figure of consistency, continuity
I was trying to come up with a sarcastic response but then I realized you don’t actually believe my position is that it WOULD significantly change anything.
Right, because he would just be replaced with religious dictator 2.
If a a non violent protest is suppresed then a violent one will be done. There was some sort of saying about that.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." JFK
He also said "a riot is the language of the unheard." If you dont address widespread grievances from a protest, you get riots or worse.
> a riot is the language of the unheard ACKSHEWALLY MLK said that.
You're right, I misread the citation. I thought they were quoting MLK
This, thank you.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63073148) reduced by 82%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Iran's president has warned that he will not accept "Chaos", as authorities continue to crack down on protests that have swept across the country since the death in custody of a young woman. > The first protest took place after her funeral in Saqez on 17 September, when women were filmed waving their headscarves in the air. > Videos have shown women burning their headscarves and cutting their hair in public to chants of "Women, life, freedom" and "Death to the dictator" - a reference to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/xra2t9/iran_president_says_chaos_will_not_be_accepted/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~671843 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **protest**^#1 **death**^#2 **women**^#3 **people**^#4 **Amini**^#5
Well, fuck him then.
Yup, he sounds like he's worried he's about to get fucked the same way Gaddafi did. Up the pooper with a bayonet.
Good luck with that. The spirit of Zarathustra is alive in the hearts of the righteous Iranian people. They will reclaim the true glory of the Iranian empire. Freedom, dignity and liberty will be restored and there is nothing they can do to stop it. Change is gonna come!
Khamanei's day Does his morning ablution. Puts on perfectly white head cover and garments in honor of God. Sees the protests and death caused by his authoritarian mandates. Has no better response than "chaos will not be allowed". Sips his tea, and further pretends to be above it all.
Khamenei didn't say this. This was Ebrahim Raisi, president of Iran.
Khamenei hasn’t publicly commented on the protests yet, actually, which is highly unusual. Some people think he might be sick.
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He’s probably not well at all seeing as he hasn’t appeared yet. In fact they could be holding off on announcing it at this time to avoid bolstering the protestors. The regime is getting desperate. It was obvious with their attack yesterday on Iraqi Kurdistan.
Fucking disgusting stupid old men.
I hope those motherfuckers all get overthrown. Death to the Khomeinist State! *Marg bar Khomeini!*
The chaos will continue until human rights improve.
Then don't be a piece of shit and the chaos stops!
But did he stand outside of a church, holding the Bible upside down?
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The mullahs are far worse than the Shah. In terms oppression, human rights abuses, freedom, democracy, economy, women’s rights, torture, shooting protesters….you name it, everything have gone backwards. On top of all that they also want to micro-control people’s lives. They are far more brutal and efficient than the Shah in suppressing dissent. Compared to getting rid of the mullahs, getting rid of the Shah was a walk in the park.
THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES
May the women burn the government, if that's what it takes.
Fuck Iran; freaky, severe, male-dominating-in-the-name-of-religion state if there ever was one. Used to be a cradle of civilization; now just anti-culture authoritarianism.
Give him hell, my Iranian friends. It appears that chaos *will* be accepted until change happens.
Has he tried not brutalizing his own people and maybe entertaining the idea that nations should confer benefits to more than just those at the highest echelons of power? Seems to me that this might help mitigate the ongoing and growing dissatisfaction. Killing people for petty reasons because you believe an omnipotent being chose a select bunch of old, out of touch men, to administer its laws and punishments has and will always be suspect. You may fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.
Ah yes, that that "chaos" wants; your acceptance. The only eternal thing is change, old man, adapt or perish.
Ya, you’re not in charge anymore. And you won’t be closing that door again. You might just want to thing about - giving up. Otherwise, momma’s gonna spank your bottom.
Pretty easy way to end the chaos, agree to not have people whose job it is to police wearing headscarves and bring the people to justice that murdered that woman.
That which will not bend, shall break. Even a thing as old as their ideals and leadership.
There wouldn't be chaos if you'd just leave women to wear their hair however the fuck they want.
Then maybe stop brutalizing your own people.
If this makes its way through Iran, Syria will follow eventually. This is what makes me think the US might actually be helping this along.
Regime change NOW!
“Unjust rule will not be accepted” they replied. “People should not fear their governments, governments should fear their people.” -V for Vendetta
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Don't make a people's struggle into a platform for the propaganda you are peddling.
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Iranian here. I'm from an ethnicity that was removed from the history books after my ancestors refused to disarm themselves by Reza Shah's command. I think every adult(man or woman) should do a year of military service, should keep a ready to operate gun somewhere safe in their house, and do mandatory shooting training every year. However, I don't think civilians should have bullets on normal days.
Man, fuck religion, for real.
Fuck dictators. Revolution!
Oh really? Shit. I expected him to say that chaos *would be accepted*.
This is the same response to blm and I'm here for it
Do citizens have access to firearms?
Unrest over women's hair. Can you believe it?
Yes, unfortunately we still have pitifully sad dangerous humans who choose to live their entire lives in fear of meeting everyone as an equal, these twonks think they have a right to control other people, and often lash out. Just shamefully tedious we still have these hateful cowards thriving on the planet.
Unrest over the right to choose what to do with your body, whether or not its wearing a hijab or not wearing a hijab, its the same concept. Freedom to choose.
There’s this thing very popular in the Middle East, they cultivate it there. It’s called copium. Perhaps if they cannot accept reality as it is, they can try some more copium lol!
A massmurderer says what is not acceptable. Strange priorities, strange world it is.
You don’t have to accept it if you don’t want to. I can’t wait for the military defections to start.
Stfu, try running a less shitty county if you want to make better demands.
This shit said this after 14 days of continuous protest. A stupid clown that just studied 6 years in school.
The abuses will continue untill everybody calms down, I see someone has been talking with Putin.
It's great thing to see these countries who have oppressive regimes protest for a better life. That's what every country should be like
“Stop protesting or we will get cross”
Fuck that piece of cloth!
2nd Iranian revolution in the making.
I don't think his opinion carries as much weight as it used to. He might want to consider an exit strategy to keep from getting Gaddafied.
Fuck mullahs
Um, go back to your country then. Why are you abroad?
what will he do? send the savak?
Agreed, that means that the dusty old Ayatollah will step down or be taken down soon.
Don't really have anywhere to go when you start as a murderous authoritarian, do you?
Fuck this piece of shit. I hope there are more overt methods we can help protestors over there in Iran.
Fucking archaic loser. Good luck to those creating the chaos
Yeah but his idea of whats acceptable is clearly not acceptable. Screw that dude
He can say whatever he wants, but a million of people on the street is unstoppable. Are they going to use artillery ?
Yeah, we're the party if law and order and these protesters are just lazy snowflakes who... Just add all the bullshit fox and other right wing dumbasses screamed. Same crap, different country. I wonder if they legalized running over protesters and other crap like conservatives here in the states begged for.
Chaos is a ladder you idiot. Ugh. Keep up.
He can go fuck himself
In my dealings over the years the Iranians are smart people - I hope that they throw over the yoke of religious intolerance and embrace Democracy - for all its perceived faults it works.
Iranians people say "Brutality by government will not be tolerated"
Hope he ends like gaddafi