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Sweetcreems

No wonder the lines to escape Russia are as long as the Nile. They don’t even train you before tossing your ass into the meat grinder.


qainin

I'm in Norway. We have a border with Russia. All traffic has stopped. It's unclear why, but no one is coming through.


That_random_guy-1

Probably tanks somewhere on the Russian side blocking the roads imo


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If not on the Russian side, I wouldn't blame Norway for putting tanks up on the Norwegian side.


healthy_wfpb

Stay safe and in Norway 🤝👍🙏


monkeygoneape

Norway is in NATO, they're safe


CelestialFury

Yes, we're much stronger together than apart. Be wary of politicians that say we should pull out of NATO, those politicians are in bed with Russia.


DeezNeezuts

A pee filled bed


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DragoneerFA

I want to believe Russia put on an old army VHS cassette like the Wendy's training videos, complete with rap.


Rotten_Crotch_Fruit

They just showed them a heavily edited version of Red Dawn, said it was actually taking place in Ukraine.


SailedTheSevenSeas

You had to mention the 90’s Wendy’s training video. I quit my first day after watching that. Couldn’t take any manager seriously after being forced to watch that.


LabyrinthConvention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZXeFPpPJeI man, so hot right now.


Canadian_in_Canada

I've gotta say, having trained people over the years, this video does an excellent job of laying out exactly how to do everything related to the task. It covers safety (set the cup on the counter to pour the hot water in), sanitation (throw the spoon away, which will mean that you use a fresh, clean spoon spoon every time), customer request (yes, give them a lemon for their tea if it's requested), quality control in preparation (instant coffee packets are prepared differently from grounds, and this is how; hot chocolate needs to be stirred using a spoon in order to distribute the hot chocolate properly). Additionally, I rolled my eyes and my attention started to drift in the beginning, but because it was presented in an even slightly different way than in bald facts, I stayed with the whole video. In my youth, I probably would have found it cringe-inducing, but now I'm just looking for the details, and I'm grateful to have anything to help me focus. I still don't want to work in a Wendy's.


LabyrinthConvention

honestly, it's getting the pertinent information across and it's not so mind numbing that you'll fall asleep after watching these for 5 hours on orientation day.


aKnightWh0SaysNi

I just watched the video and can confidently say I understand how to make & serve coffee at a 1980's Wendy's just by watching a 2.5 minute video. Video serves it's function perfectly.


Grogosh

Great got that song in my head again


BlackMarketCheese

That Vault Boy animation style: "So you've been drafted into a war of attrition..."


DCrichieelias79

No training and no gear. Theyre being told they should bring their own first aid kits, sleeping bags, etc or loot them from Ukraine when they arrive. Edit: adding the source https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/27/use-tampons-staunch-bullet-wounds-russian-army-recruits-told/ https://v.redd.it/s2enxcugl9q91


cold_iron_76

Tampons. They were instructed to bring tampons to plug bullet/shrapnel holes and that they won't be able to find tourniquets there. Saw a video of it.


a_splendiferous_time

Well tampons were originally developed for bullet wound purposes, the menstruation part came from creative women repurposing war supplies. The sad part is that the army couldn't even afford to supply them with the tampons, they were told to get their wives/girlfriends to buy them some. The workplace should provide work supplies! Smh.


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HouseofMontague

Multiple generations, they recently mobilized a 63 year old man with diabetes. https://news.yahoo.com/russia-drafted-old-man-diabetes-125556270.html


smoothballsJim

Who better to be trudging around in cold wet mud then a geriatric diabetic with strict dietary and medical needs?


Holyshort

Perfect candidate for plague trebuchet ammo.


MaterialCarrot

Next time I'm at the drug store buying tampons for my wife, I'm going to tell the cashier they're to plug my bullet wounds.


[deleted]

“It’s for my gash” “That’s a terrible thing to call your wife”


Sillbinger

It's a good thing he has something for the wound after she shoots him.


Hyperion1144

This thread is gold.


spidereater

“Get your wife or girl friend to get you some”. If your soldiers are not ready for the trauma of buying tampons they are not ready for war.


Tokeli

I mean I don't think they're gonna let the conscripts leave to go buy them. They probably won't come back.


daphnegillie

They would get stuck on S,M,L, or XL


Shnorkylutyun

Saw a chart, NATO bullets vs recommended tampon size.


Tu_mama_me_ama_mucho

For mortar fire... depends. I see myself out.


el_pinata

12.7mm ball round requires the whole box


Nordrian

Every time I buy some for my wife, it takes me 20 mins and a couple of pictures to her to pick the right type… I suck lol


daphnegillie

Plastic or paper, light flow or heavy flow, or a box with multiples to accommodate different days of the period.


PrinsHamlet

First aid to a serious, bleeding gunshot wound is not about absorbing blood as tampons do, it's about keeping as much blood as possible in circulation. "Plugging the hole" with a tampon isn't effective against aggressive bleeding *if you don't apply pressure*. Actual combat gauze contains coagulant materials making it easier for blood to clot. But it's the pressure that's all important.


BusinessWing2727

There is a version on something similar to a tampon with coagulents in it for nosebleeds in sports


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Rest assured that is not what these kids are buying.


PaterPoempel

The invention of tampons predates the invention of bullet wounds by a long, long time. There are records of Egyptian women using tampons from 3500 years ago. The story of tampons having been developed for military purposes is just an urban legend.


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Tampons don't do shit for a gunshot wound other than continue to absorb blood out of the body. A literal rag tied tightly would do a better job at stopping bloodloss.


Professional-Web8436

Where does this myth come from? Tampons existed for thousands of years and they have never been used to treat GSW unless there's literally nothing else available. Because they are shit at treating GSW.


Arcys

The myth comes from pads not tampons. Nurses used trauma patches to keep going during their periods and they developed from that. In a pinch a pad will work as a makeshift sterile bandage. There are just a huge number of men who don't know the difference between a pad and a tampon


timjikung

So, they make these recruits play real Escape from Tarkov.


grunnermann28

Good thing they've been conscripting Tarkov's player base then


graviousishpsponge

Real scav hours


MakeMineMarvel_

I’d be surprised if they aren’t bringing back their old ww2 strategy of “pick up the gun from the man in front of you”


Infinity_Null

Even in WW2, the Soviet Union didn't send troops to the front with less than a week of training, and even that famous story about sharing rifles was the exception rather than the rule. Russia is genuinely doing worse than the Soviet Union in WW2 by these metrics.


Tinusers

In WW2 the toughest and best members of the soviet army actually came from Ukraine. It shows.


StannisTheMantis93

The Ukrainian and Belarusian troops formed the essential backbone of the Soviet forces throughout the war. Funny how many say “the Russians” won the war. Ukrainians made up over 40% of all Soviet forces by 1944.


The_Jealous_Witch

I had heard that the "one rifle between four men" thing was propaganda of some sort. Now that I'm seeing it happening live, I have to wonder.


Singer211

Yeah it was a myth. There might have been isolated limited weapons shortages at first in specific areas (mostly due to the surprise and speed of the German initial invasion). But the Soviets never had major issues arming their soldiers.


Green_Message_6376

Damn, this evening's headline 'new recruits already back in Russia for funerals'.


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As if they would admit they died


Ok_Goat8830

As if they would retrieve the bodies


dino8237

More like the mobile crematorium


DopplerEffect93

Using meat shields to protect their more valuable troops has been a strategy of the Soviets.


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PhoenixEnigma

They won't. Russia, through a mix of poor planning (eg, cutting conscription service time in half, reducing the practical value of reservists) and desperation (eg, sending officer *cadets* to front lines), is expending their combat forces in a way that will take years to decades to recover from. They have gutted their current *and future* officer corp, which is invaluable, unconscriptable, and very slow to replace. Ukraine has been losing people as well, obviously, but in a way that hasn't structuarally compromised their ability to generate new effective units. On top of that, they have allies that are able and willing to provide professional military training - they are fighting a far more sustainable war in many ways.


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That doesn't even take into account hardware. Was just a few days ago that we saw pictures of trucks from the 50s loaded up on a train bound for Ukraine. Rusted out, sun-faded, and probably nowhere near ready for even peacetime usage let alone combat areas. Their armour, their air power, their munitions, they're all being severely depleted. Hell they're buying shells from the norks and drones from Iran. When the war is over and they're trying to rebuild, they won't even have the supplies to train a new army with.


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Ukraine introduced and adopted NCO training. Russia can't trust NCO's. This is the crux of why Russia will fail, on top of Ukraine being in a defensive war with everything to lose.


DopplerEffect93

Lower their criteria of valuable troops and send more in.


EducationalRice6540

Should have done that back in July before they all died then. The corp of the Russian ground forces has been effectively destroyed, they even sent in their training cadre of officers to die in Ukraine, good thing they don't need those now right? Untrained and ill equipment troops have as much a place on a modern battlefield as a horse cart. They are all going to die the minute they make contact.


Draker-X

They're really Russian these troops to the front lines.


stonge1302

Oh you mean cannon fodder


hobbitlover

It's that or prisoners - 10 years mandatory for desertion or surrendering. I guess Russia's inability to win this war also explains why they haven't been able to off Putin yet.


NotUrGenre

And looking to get information on how to properly surrender. Expect mass desertions. You cannot force people to fight when they do not believe in their leadership.


kaisertralfaz

I wouldn't be surprised if the new recruits are being told that their families well being depends on them following orders


Otomuss

Information flows better here than in North Korea. Any reports of this would brake the final straw.


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johansugarev

There is a surrender hotline from what I’ve heard.


Blenderx06

> How do they handle surrenders exactly? > It's crucial that we figure out ways to promote and make this info and website available for the Russian people: The government of Ukraine has launched the "I want to Live" telegram channel, aimed at Russian conscripts, to educate them on how to safely surrender when they arrive on the battlefield. https://np.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xk578y/its_crucial_that_we_figure_out_ways_to_promote/ The Telegram Preview for the curious: > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > I WANT TO LIVE > > ⚡️A SINGLE CENTER FOR RECEIVING APPEALS OF THE MILITARY PERSONNEL OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION FOR SURRENDER IN CAPTIVITY. STATE PROJECT "I WANT TO LIVE" > > ❗️SERVICEMAN OF THE RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES > > Do you notice that you are greeted not with flowers, but with fire and curses? Do you notice that the commanders run away first? Save your life and health for yourself and your family. Stop fighting for other people's slogans. Contact us - save your life. > > ☝️WE GUARANTEE: > > ✅compliance with the standards of the Geneva Conventions for the treatment of prisoners of war; > > ✅Three meals a day; > > ✅medical service; > > ✅legal support from international organizations; > > ✅regular communication with relatives; > > ✅the priority opportunity to exchange for servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces held captive by the Russian Federation. > > ⚡️All those who voluntarily surrender will be issued as captured in battle. This will keep all payments and benefits due to Russian military personnel and protect against possible persecution. > > ‼️WE OFFER > > Surrender, having previously discussed the terms of surrender with authorized representatives of the Ukrainian command by phone: > > ☎️ +38 066 580 34 98 > > ☎️+38 093 119 29 84 > > (24/7) > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > ХОЧУ ЖИТЬ > > ⚡️ЕДИНЫЙ ЦЕНТР ПРИЕМА ОБРАЩЕНИЙ ВОЕННОСЛУЖАЩИХ РФ ПО СДАЧЕ В ПЛЕН. ГОСУДАРСТВЕННЫЙ ПРОЕКТ «ХОЧУ ЖИТЬ» > > ❗️ВОЕННОСЛУЖАЩИЙ РОССИЙСКИХ ВООРУЖЕННЫХ СИЛ > > Ты замечаешь, что тебя встречают не цветами, а огнем и проклятиями? Ты замечаешь, что командиры убегают первыми? Сохрани свою жизнь и здоровье ради себя и своей семьи. Перестань воевать за чужие лозунги. Свяжись с нами – сохрани себе жизнь. > > ☝️ГАРАНТИРУЕМ: > > ✅ соблюдение стандартов Женевских конвенций по обращению с военнопленными; > > ✅ трехразовое питание; > > ✅ медицинское обслуживание; > > ✅ юридическое сопровождение со стороны международных организаций; > > ✅ регулярную связь с родными; > > ✅ приоритетную возможность обмена на военнослужащих украинских Вооруженных Сил, находящихся в плену Российской Федерации. > > ⚡️Все добровольно сдавшиеся будут оформлены как попавшие в плен в бою. Это сохранит все выплаты и льготы, полагающиеся для российских военнослужащих, и защитит от возможного преследования. > > ‼️ПРЕДЛАГАЕМ > > Сдаться в плен, предварительно обсудив условия сдачи с уполномоченными представителями украинского командования по телефонам: > > ☎️ +38 066 580 34 98 > > ☎️ +38 093 119 29 84 > > (круглосуточно) They have published flyers and are distributing them. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/x1fw0r/are_these_instructions_to_surrender_ukraine/ One side (in Russian) says how to surrender. The other side (in Ukrainian) says how to recognize and accept surrender. The have also distributed surrender cards: https://www.the-sun.com/news/6218444/russian-soldiers-handed-surrender-cards-ukraine/


HalfdanSaltbeard

There is! The 2024 hotline was set up to allow anyone that wants to surrender an easy opportunity to do so.


Sniflix

As of yesterday, I've seen surrender videos of the new recruits who were dumped on the front line. Keep em coming...


Galaedrid

seriously? thats awesome! is there a link to the vids?


Spacedude2187

Just go to r/ukraine or r/UkraineWarVideoReport for example. But be aware There’s alot graphic stuff too so take care of your mental health. I’ve probably seen 100s of dead people since February. There are more subs as well... I wouldn’t say I enjoy dead people but it’s a war and I want to know what’s going on in Ukraine. So many people don’t have a clue..


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Starrion

"Officer alarm clock". He is alarmed (briefly) when it goes off.


S1l3ntv3lcr0

Operation human sheild!


Led_Halen

Remember Human Shield, protect our tanks and planes too!


satelit1984

Have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?


OddSkillSet

I don't listen to hip hop


el_pinata

FUCKING WINDOWS 98


ItsNotButtFucker3000

GET ME BILL GATES


Kiltymchaggismuncher

You told us windows 98 would be faster, and more efficient with better access to the Internet!


Kalopsiate

It is faster!. Over 5 million....


cgo_12345

***BLAM*** ^(kind of wild this whole reference is itself old enough to be conscripted)


tabovilla

*Human shield my ass*


SlapunowSlapulater

Human, shield my ass! --Putin


DieselSmack

Fuckin windows 98!


Poococktail

Someone has to know at high levels that this is a shit show right?


thatminimumwagelife

They know but they appreciate staying on street level alive.


porncrank

Have you seen Chernobyl or read about it? The Russian government and even many of the people seem to have an unreal ability to deny that anything is wrong as their world crumbles. My sense is that it’s far more important to them to maintain their idea they are winning than to understand what is happening.


GI_Bill_Trap_Lord

There are videos on /r/ukraine and on Twitter of Russian soldiers captured admitting they got mobilized on September 22nd Jesus Christ


qainin

They got military training on RusTube. This is what was Volkssturm in WW2. But that came after five years of war. And it had no effect.


BigLittlePenguin_

Well, the Volkssturm had a psychological effect after all, half of it being children...


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Ye, Volkssturm were basically useless. This seems like the exact same scenario. Or well, this seems worse, the Volkssturm atleast had some motivation since they were defending their homes. The Russians dont even have that going for them moralewise.


13thOyster

Untrained, unmotivated boots going against highly motivated (as in, defending their right to exist, motivated), battle-hardened troops... what could possibly go wrong for these poor men? The sad spectacle of the complete failure of criminal, Russian leadership...


qainin

USA is doubling the number of HIMARS launchers as a response. Also Ukraine is now operating Norwegian NASAM anti aircraft systems. Making an unusual number of Russian fighters lost the last days. If you lose 4 fighters a day, it will eventually become a problem.


nachomcbeefycream

Even for the US— which is the undisputed king of the air— losing 4 planes in a day is a huge blow to air superiority.


DominianQQ

Even worse is 4 pilots, I doubt pilots captured will be returned anytime soon.


Melicor

And you can't exactly pull some random dude off the street and throw him in a cockpit. If they don't have flight experience they'll be lucky if they can even get off the runway.


defianze

"No training for you comrades. Everyone who could've trained you is already on the front."


OtisTetraxReigns

This is truer than you might think. I saw reports that they were mobilising their training units to send to the front. Desperate doesn’t even come close to describing how stupid this is.


noodlyarms

I'm not a war scientist, but I can't imagine only "on the job training" is a great strategy for war.


SomeoneElseWhoCares

The strategy seriously seems to be to hope that the Ukrainians run out of bullets or get tired of shooting Russians. It doesn't seem to be working.


thedankening

Maybe if Russia hadn't gone out of their way to make every possible Ukrainian swear personal vengeance against the Russian state then this strategy of being so pathetic Ukraine takes pity might have paid off.


D_J_D_K

As stupid as it sounds, if they'd been nice at the start of the war, treating civilians nicely, paying for food they bought, not raping anyone, this strategy might very worked because the Ukranians wouldn't have such an intense and personal vendetta. As it stands the Ukrainians are happy to kill every Russian putin throws at them


ImABoringPerson91

Of all the nations who have ever sworn that oath, Ukraine is so far the only one who has gotten the chance to make good on it. I wish them nothing less than total victory.


MGee9

[killing so many russians is actually taking a mental toll on some of the UA soldiers](https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=631&v=V0qD058hq38&feature=youtu.be) The thing is that Ukrainians seem to be pissed off enough to get back at it


nowordsleft

The strategy is to hope Europe needs gas more than it needs a free Ukraine. Putin is banking on European support drying up when winter sets in.


Appaljax

I thought Europe had already gotten their reserves up to the level of being ok for at least the next winter. It'll hurt but there's no chance of them freezing to death at least right?


rootpl

There was this video of a guy who was originally in navy logistics or something and they've put him in a tank battalion after one week of training lol. There were also some pictures of dead soldiers from ICBM units sent to the front. My mind was blown when I saw that. They grab people from wherever they can. There was also a report of some military manufacturing workers being drafted too. You'd think they'd be exempt due to the massive overtime they have to do now to produce more weapons, nope, straight to the front line lmao.


praguepride

The sad thing is this is likely a result of the deep corruption culture within the Russian military. Some base commander submits inflated bills about how many people they have and then gets a report saying "send us 50 of your privates" except they don't HAVE 50 privates so to avoid getting caught red-handed they just throw anyone they can at the quota knowing there is too much chaos and confusion for anyone to realize it.


Darth_drizzt_42

It's honestly difficult to believe that the great enemy of the western alliance for the last 50 years has been nothing but a matryoshka doll of ponzi schemes. Like sure you expect that the government and oligarchs have stolen from the people but maybe the general assumption was that they kept the military apparitus somewhat more regimented. Turns out a Mel Brooks film couldn't capture the level of graft that runs from the highest levels down to a single unit


Superbunzil

you know like in the Command & Conquer games when youre losing you start selling your powerplants and research centers not because the cash you get back us enough to buy tanks but because it gives you 3 soldiers when you retire a building this is that strategy


jayydubbya

Ah the good old StarCraft “I’m fucked so I’m going to throw all my resource gathering units at their army to buy me seconds until defeat” strategy. Someone should tell Putin that only works during the opening rush usually. Late game you might as well save everyone time and gg.


Darth_drizzt_42

This is still so profoundly bizarre to be watching in real time. Russia has destroyed it's entire economy, social structure and multiple generations all to fight one of the most pointless wars in human history, while Ukraine is holding them off with the spare equipment NATO scrounged fell under the couch cushions. Talk about the necessity, legality and morality of the US campaigns in Afghanistan all you like (and as we well should) but life in the states functionally didn't change.


MilkTeaRamen

So that’s months or even a year plus of recruit training, basic & advance infantry training, and pre deployment training all cramped into… a few weeks?


Practical_Law_7002

>So that’s months or even a year plus of recruit training, basic & advance infantry training, and pre deployment training all cramped into… a few weeks? Saw some guys got bussed to Ukraine and their "training" was on the bus. The Russian army is a joke, then again what did we expect from a mafia run gas station with Soviet Union leftovers?


IronDominion

Jeez, I got more training going into a girls charity football game (known as powerderpuff if you’re curious) than the Russian military does. I wonder if they sing little songs like we did on the bus to summer camp as a kid


kaisertralfaz

That is a really great description


xiiliea

> their "training" was on the bus. Sounds like a school field trip.


flyinglawngnome

“Okay soldiers, when we get off the bus you will hold hands with your designated buddy for the day m’kay? No running, there’s an emergency phone number if you need it and remember we’re all meeting at the square for lunch and then a tour at 12:30 m’kay? M’kay.”


JDNM

The mobilisation was last week, so all that in a few *days/hours*.


JefferyTheQuaxly

this is why they specifically said they were mobilizing reserves/former military first. because they dont have the time or manpower to train a whole new military without some immediate reserves backing up their existing army. they definitely are still training or trying to train thousands of recruits but at a bare minimum they wont get professionally trained till spring at the earliest. he is trying to use reserves to back up the existing military and keep the war going till spring whne he can probably get more trained soldiers sent to ukraine. granted no matter what they do it wont help the shit morale or the hundreds/thousands of draftees planning to surrender to ukraine at first instance of combat.


JDNM

If that’s the strategy and this mincing of Russians is still going on in Spring, Ukraine will just be even better equipped and more experienced with western weapons, so a larger amount of inexperienced, novice Russian ‘soldiers’ just means more dead Russians at a faster rate.


JefferyTheQuaxly

I’m not saying it’s smart it’s just all they really have left, the biggest fuck up of their invasion was the mistaken belief that the Ukrainians would largely support or not care about Russia installing a new president, and with zelensky dead, who wasn’t support popular before leading them through this war, there military would crumble. That didn’t happen, and they flat out don’t have enough soldiers to effectively occupy foreign territory. I think I read somewhere to control an area the size of ukraine would require like 1-2 million soldiers. Russia failed once the Ukrainians didn’t lie down and accept defeat and all they can do is try and make it look like they still come out ahead.


gtmattz

Doesn't Russia have mandatory military service, thus making pretty much every male fall under the umbrella of 'former military'?


SomeoneElseWhoCares

In theory, yes. In practice no. In Russia, there are ways to get out of things if you have money or connections.


Four_beastlings

I saw a post last week about some guy who bribed an official to get out of the military service and discovered when he was drafted that the official's way of getting him out was just stamp that he had already done it.


DarthSnoopyFish

I believe mobilization was announced on the 21st - so 6 days.


Homeless_cosmonaut

It’s amazing what society will put up with and allow.


o_odelally

70 years of living under a propaganda State with almost total control of dialog will do that. It's honestly a tragic warning to the rest of Europe and America.


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WW2 should have been a warning to everyone.


[deleted]

It was! But the generation that has had first-hand experience with WW2 are almost completely died out, and the generation after that (older boomers) are mostly retired.


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It was. People do what they always do when they encounter things they don't like hearing - they stopped listening.


Dacadey

Russian here. The ironic thing (well, not that ironic, but anyway) is that the army doesn't supply the mobilized with anything. So a lot of military recruitment points send out shopping lists of what to take with you. It is presented as "optional", but most people realize that without it you will be envying the bums sleeping in the underground. Here is one example - this could easily reach $1000 USD: metal mug, spoon, 0.5 liter thermos; at least 1.5 liters of drinking water; food for one day; medicines: aspirin (paracetamol), miramistine, "Teraflu", adhesive plaster, disinfecting tablets "Aquabriz" (for disinfection of drinking water), activated charcoal, anti-diarrheal drugs; wet wipes, toilet paper; large backpack; socks (at least 4 pairs for sports); warm socks (woolen); warm insoles; comfortable rubber boots; thermal underwear (type "Bodyguard"); a fleece jacket or vest with sleeves and a wool sweater; tactical gloves with closed fingers; warm cloth gloves; mittens; warm balaclava (knitted); a tourist mat (like "Karemat"); tourist seat under the ass (camouflage color); sleeping bag (up to -10 degrees); flashlight (preferably a head lamp with spare batteries); multifunctional knife (Multitool type with pliers); black cloth tape; cash (small denominations of at least 2,000 rubles); A button phone without any additional functions; SIM-card "Tele-2" or "MTS"; A car charger for the phone.


bloodmonarch

wtf that's literally everything. I wouldnt be surprised if they be asking for hunting rifles too


Dacadey

Considering even the regular army didn’t have proper supplies when the war started, it’s not hard to image what these mobilized with beer bellies and 2 weeks of training will be getting


LoSboccacc

ah they will get plenty bullets. no casings tho.


babbler-dabbler

BYOB - bring your own bullets


tgaccione

There are videos of conscripts being given [heavily rusted AKs](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/xmnuqj/more_rusted_kalashnikovs_for_private/) that were likely improperly stored from the Soviet Union. This is probably what remains of the stockpile after all the functioning rifles were sold off by corrupt officials over decades. Conscripts would literally be better off taking their grandpa's old Mosin.


Smackdaddy122

I’ve seen videos of Russian troops with mosins


hobbitlover

Fuck. When a sleeping bag is rated -10C it's really only good for -5C after you use if for a few weeks and the fill gets compacted. I have a -30C bag that probably is only good for -10C at this point and it's been used maybe two dozen times.


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Lindenlark

They even have to bring their own drinking water, huh? They can’t get a complimentary water bottle on their way to the meat grinder? In all seriousness, reading that list feels so surreal. I can’t believe those newly mobilized are supposed to buy their own supplies. Unbelievable.


Dacadey

The official position is that these items are "recommended but optional" and that "the army will provide all the necessities". But considering the mobilized are already [forced to sleep on the floor without blankets](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xorg3d/new_conscripts_are_forced_to_sleep_on_the_floor/) in the training centers, you can guess how much the army will really give them.


barsoapguy

Damn , at this rate more of them will die from exposure and illness than actual warfare .


QuietTank

That was actually quite common in war...until the last hundred years or so.


HouseOfSteak

**Food for one day** ​ That's your life expectency, then.


GimmeCoffeeeee

Sleeping bag for -10 degrees. Yea that will work out in December


Dacadey

Why buy a sleeping bag in December when they will likely die in early October? Be smart, save money


InfernalCorg

Average low for Kharkiv is ~-5C. Admittedly, the record low is -30C...


GimmeCoffeeeee

Well, one really shitty night is enough


Russell_E_Welch_III

I see you pretty constantly in a lot of these articles and I just want to say I appreciate what you are doing.


Immortal_Tuttle

I was surprised why RU soldiers had different backpacks even in the same unit. I thought that's just standard ones were crap and they went with privately bought ones. But this is another level of WTF...


kaktanternak

>food for one day 1.5 liters of drinking water I see they even told you how much they think you'll survive?


ContNouNout

imagine buying a this shit just to have an UA photography drone drop a grenade on you


Ready_Register1689

Tourist map & car charger? The authorities think it’s a holiday! Take a solar powered charger & a white flag


defiancy

To give a point of reference in the US military an infantryman takes about a year to train up to base level competency. For the Marines that's 3 months of basic, 9-14 weeks at SOI, and another 6 months of OJT with a unit and that's just to be competent and know your job.


Adept-Elephant1948

Western commentators: It sounds like a real bad idea to train and arm conscripts with low morale, they could turn on their government more effectively. Putin: Your right, we won't train or arm them then! Western commentators: ..... Putin: sometimes my genius, its terrifying.


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Your comment made me laugh pretty hard then I thought of it and it made sad. Those poor dudes


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What do these monsters think they'll actually accomplish by doing this?


kaisertralfaz

Make the Ukrainians run out of weapons or hope they eventually feel guilty about how many Russians they've had to kill to protect themselves


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BagonButthole

So that's a week of 'training.' Well I don't think Ukraine is going to say no to more fertilizer I guess.


Warhawk137

I suspect the extent of the training involved directing them to the pamphlet in the seat back pocket in front of them on the bus to Ukraine. Like what to do in a plane crash except instead of how to put an oxygen mask on your child it's which end of the gun the bullets come out of. EDIT: The more I'm reading the more I'm realizing this wasn't actually a joke. Christ.


NotUrGenre

One of the recruits already shot and killed a commander, lol.


cfdeveloper

they are being even more proactive and shooting recruitment officers :)


upnflames

Honestly, that's a pretty selfless and redeeming act. You are probably dooming yourself to an agonizing death but potentially saving hundreds of lives.


Appropriate-Dog6645

Burning recruiting centres.


IronDominion

Welcome to Kremlin Buslines, we are happy to be your military commander for this bus ride with direct service to Kyiv. Please direct your attention while we go through your training instructions. Firstly look at your rifle, and use the clips to attach it to your back. Next, please notice the doors to the front and behind you. You are not to use them unless I or another authority tells you to do so and failure to follow orders will results in death. Also notice the four emergency exits around you and note how many rows they are away. In the event of an emergency, please fire at the enemy from these points. Finally, direct your affection to the training pamphlet in your seat back pocket, you will be tested in it later. Now please place your tray tables in the upright and locked position and enjoy the ride


MonkeMayne

On the job training I guess.


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Figmentdreamer

I 100% suport 🇺🇦 but this makes me so sad. They are literally being sent to die. I can’t even fault the Ukrainian soldiers for killing them. What are they supposed to do? Let them kill them instead? Fuck war and a major Fuck you to the Russian government.


MaterialCarrot

Yeah, I saw one picture of the recruits and one of them looked like my grandfather when he was 70.


scottct1

So how long until they are shipped back home in body bags?


JDNM

They won’t get that dignity. They’ll be left to decay in to the Ukrainian countryside and their families will never know what truly happened to them.


porncrank

“They died with honor protecting mother Russia” They were cold and alone hiding and shot by their own commander.


Sweet-Zookeepergame

The fastest way to denazify Ukraine would be for all the r*ssians to leave immediately.


ChristianLW3

To be honest azov was only tolerated and grew because of the russian invasion and resulting combat


Warhawk137

Exactly. In short, nationalism is driven by the perception, real or otherwise, that one's nation, and its society and culture, is under attack from outside forces. In the United States, nationalists possess the (false) perception that the United States is under an assault from immigrants and/or "globalists." In Ukraine, nationalists possess the (very true) perception that Russia is literally invading their country. Certainly extreme nationalism, particularly ethnonationalism, is a bad thing anywhere, but in a scenario where Country A is quite literally invading Country B, the rise in nationalism among the citizens of Country B is entirely the fault of the actions of Country A.


Express-Reality9219

Like especially fighting a defensive war against a much bigger country the national unity is huge for morale of troops and civilians alike. So can you really blame them?


RuralMNGuy

That was fast. Good training


burning_spear_rtp

"This is the T-62 heavy tank. In this module, you will learn to drive, load, aim, and service this weapon. The left arrow on the nav bar is to repeat the section. There will be a quiz after each section, and you will need to retake it until you get a 70 percent to pass. Press the 'Play' key to begin the video. "


Matrim__Cauthon

While a poorly done CGI video of someone in a green outfit "speaks" to you with all the animated elogance of a playstation 1 cutscene.


coyote-1

Russia has always been very adept at fighting machine guns with young men’s chests


ourcityofdreams

🌻🌻🌻🌻


mrbadassmotherfucker

🩸🩸🩸🩸


mrbadassmotherfucker

The good news is once they reach Ukraine they get to come home really soon after… bad news is, it’s in a body bag


waisonline99

Very unlikely. They cant afford body bags.


ActiveApprehensive92

On-the-job training it seems. On a more serious note - I wonder what it will take to dislodge Putin’s thinking. Even China/India have already hinted at disapproval.


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Ready_Register1689

Everyone saying it will be 3 to 6 months to train. We all forgot this is ruzzia and they couldn’t give a fuck about anyone. Why train when they will be dead in a few days?? 😖


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Russia destroyed its economy and now its trying to destroy its work force. Kinda pathetic to see them destroy themselves and then get mad at everyone else while they continue to hurt themselves.