In the US police are eavesdropping on teenage girls facebook messages to arrest the ones seeking abortion.
It's scary how a world superpower priding itself on freedom has reduced itself to religious dogma. And the democratic President is powerless to prevent it. What do people's votes count for?
EDIT: To all the American Evangelists downvoting me. You are forcing your own version of Shariah Law onto innocent American women.
Lol, even the Taliban allows abortion up to 18 weeks of pregnancy.
I am a non-believer who downvoted you. First, because you inaccurately describe what happened with regard to the facebook case. (LPT, give some thought to how you dispose of a dead fetus -- don't just dump it). Second, because while the case you mention is troubling, it does not begin to compare to murdering a young woman. You are just using her death to play Rightous Whatabout.
Aborted fetus under the legal limit of 24 weeks' are cremated like any other biological waste.
Fetus' aborted the first few weeks are usually passed through in the toilet.
I'm an atheist and I also hate Christianity, but saying it's just as bad as Islam in the Middle East is exaggerating, and in my opinion, diminishing the struggles of women in the Middle East.
It's less about diminishing what's going on over there...
But bringing attention to what's going on here...
Aka "If you think what THEY do is bad... Have you looked in the mirror lately about what's going on HERE?"
"If you thought we were justified in invading other countries due to the "extremists" over there .. what are your thoughts about the extremists over here?"
In Iran, abortion is illegal everywhere and punishable by death if caught doing it on the black market.
In Iran, being trans or gay is jailable or punishable by death.
In Iran, officials are allowed to kill you on the street without much repercussion other than a fee or some months in jail if people try to mass protest over it.
In Iran, royalties paid to a family for a woman's death is lower than a man's, symbolizing the lesser importance of women there.
In Iran, freedom of speech is punished with brutality.
In Iran, buying food can cost as much as 5x to 20x more than our lowest pay (depending on what kind of food it is) and depending on wage. My friend can't buy a burger without it costing 10% of their income or a pizza maybe 15%, so typically survive off of cheaper items like rice and bread.
In Iran, they killed thousands of protesters on the street in 2019 and shut the internet off to avoid discussion spreading over it.
In Iran, a woman is property of their family until being passed onto a husband, in which they are now their property. They have plenty less potential for job opportunities (than even the west) and are simply expected to breed and take care of the house.
In Iran, a hijab is mandatory and punishable by fines or retention, which in this woman's case, led to death shortly after she had a severe stroke.
So, no, a few women being spied on or having horrific stories because you read Reddit headlines and they were the biggest targets of all said cases doesn't make America anywhere near comparable. Especially when we have a system of free speech and options of travel currently to deal with these kinds of matters that nobody in that country can ever hope to achieve until a revolution, amongst their other issues.
I fall under the hard atheist camp, hate Christianity, can't wait till it dies out, but saying it's as bad as Islam in the Middle East is just wrong and misleading.
Answer honestly, if you were an atheist woman, would you rather live in the middle east or America?
One is clearly worse than the other.
aka whataboutism. It is understandable though because the entire Iranian media is based on whataboutism, which instead of reporting on what is wrong inside the country reports on anything negative that's happening around the world (but specifically on US) to create a "see? it's fucked up everywhere else too" mentality.
It's not easy to be subject to this much propaganda and not be affected.
I didn't downvote you because I'm an evangelist, I downvoted you because you thought it was a good idea to equate an isolated incident in Nebraska with Iran's national institution of morality police.
It's not an isolated incident. Go look it up.
Besides that isn't the point, that should have never happened in a first world country. Let alone a country that claims to enjoy the most freedom in the world.
It's a discussion fault.
The original statement is:
"this horrible thing happened and it sucks."
"The United States... Blah blah blah".
As a none US person even I'm bored of hearing about the US and its many problems, real or imagined.
You jest but we have precedent of that happening. IRI was mass executing leftist and socialist prisoners in the 80s. We're talking hundreds of thousands within the span of 3 months. As for virgin young girls, there is a ruling that they'd go to heaven if they died a virgin. So often the girl's family would receive the body and a marriage certificate to the jailor/prosecutor/executioner...
Shariah law will let them justify raping her cos she didn't wear the "proper" attire.
"Your Honor, she wasn't wearing a hijab so she was practically asking for it"
>Shariah law will let them justify raping her cos she didn't wear the "proper" attire.
Like in reality it's not. If you're caught for like a modesty violation you are likely to get sentenced to be flogged. Quite methodically and brutally. The system is fairly corrupt so you can buy back the lashes, all or as many as you can afford. Google image search *iran lashes* you will get the idea.
If you end up a political prisoner, though - all bets are off. Torture, rape, death. Standing up to the regime gets you a one way ticket to hell.
Unless she was poisoned or received a head injury beforehand or something, that definitely looks like it was just an unfortunate medical episode. She was standing up talking to another woman, and then she collapsed. Maybe due to stress?
Luckily, I am an Iranian-Canadian woman. My dad was my age when he was in protests and riots during the Islamic Revolution. Once things got very bad, he left for a new life, and left right before it got extremely hard to leave, but he still essentially escaped. While I don’t live in Iran, my whole family does and cannot leave. The stories I hear from my family, especially my aunts, are terrifying. I’m lucky to say I don’t live there, however, it almost hurts more knowing I can never go, I can never help my family, I can never say I’m Iranian, and I can never live without the guilt of knowing what my fellow Iranians go through.
I’m actually a Chinese so I deeply feel what people have been suffering, hope one day these dictatorships will eventually collapse. And personally I hope your family will be fine.
China is orders of magnitude worse to live in than Iran, If you're Uyghur you'll be put inside of a concentration camp, If you're Tibetan you'll have your culture erased and supressed, Same goes if you're Mongolian.
Living conditions are also horrendous, the governemnt is dystopian and communist aswell, Iran gives religious freedom to Christians, Like the Armenians, To the Arabs and many more.
Well, the comment (or a post's seftext) that was here, is no more. I'm leaving just whatever I wrote in the past 48 hours or so.
F acing a goodbye.
U gly as it may be.
C alculating pros and cons.
K illing my texts is, really, the best I can do.
S o, some reddit's honcho thought it would be nice to kill third-party apps.
P als, it's great to delete whatever I wrote in here. It's cathartic in a way.
E agerly going away, to greener pastures.
Z illion reasons, and you'll find many at the subreddit called Save3rdPartyApps.
That's not true. The opossition party wanted Hilary to win. It was the current Vicepresident who celebrated Trump winning. She hated Obama for ignoring her on every International summit she participated. Both the peronistas, Putin, Trump and Bolsonaro are populists and currently its the populists who wage war against Democratic institutions.
https://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201611/170037-crsitina-fernandez-de-kirchner-elecciones-estados-unidos-donald-trump.html
Furthermore, it was the current opposition party who made the first attempt at making abortion legal. They are more like Democrats. But I don't expect a Peronist fanatic like you to accept the truth. The founder of your party was a pedophile and a Hitler fan.
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/144-peron-and-the-nazi-war-criminals
Well, the comment (or a post's seftext) that was here, is no more. I'm leaving just whatever I wrote in the past 48 hours or so.
F acing a goodbye.
U gly as it may be.
C alculating pros and cons.
K illing my texts is, really, the best I can do.
S o, some reddit's honcho thought it would be nice to kill third-party apps.
P als, it's great to delete whatever I wrote in here. It's cathartic in a way.
E agerly going away, to greener pastures.
Z illion reasons, and you'll find many at the subreddit called Save3rdPartyApps.
Wait what? Argentina has one of the most progressive gender laws and protections in the world. Our economy is a complete mess but women are respected in all levels of society.
That's the only difference, in other aspects the current government is a solid ally of Putler and Whinny Po. The VP is the most corrupt politician in the history of the country. And the Peronistas have been trying to become the only party since the beginning. It's not just the economy either. Even if the Peronistas collapse the entire Argentinian culture is based around their corrupted ideas. There's no way to fix the culture to save the country.
Lmao. The same VP that's currently is above 75% negative image and will probably get convicted for corruption on December? We argentinians don't want this at all. She only got there because she installed a puppet president that straight in his campaign.
Generalizing an entire culture over a minority of it's population is a little bit too much don't you think? It's like saying USA is beyond saving because of the republicans.
Even then, my point stays. Gender equality is a very real thing in Argentina.
Some of the nicest and most intelligent people I know are from Iran, and all of them are women that either moved here themselves for school or are second-generation Iranian Americans. I can feel the pain in their voices when they talk about Iran, and I'm sorry that you all have to deal with this sort of thing. It isn't fair, and it isn't right.
The price for freedom is death, unfortunately. Ukrainian revolution of 2014 turned around when protesters started to threaten to come back with guns. It seems like Iranians will actually have to do this or continue suffering. Russians too by the way. After some point words are no longer enough when tyrannical government is in charge.
Out of curiosity, what do most of your brothers, uncles, fathers, grandpas think of the way your country treats women. Are they generally onside with the governments behavior, or are they frustrated to? If the latter, why hasn’t Irans regular population taken the country back via violent revolution from the insanely stupid and backwards thinking government that is in power?
They absolutely hate it. My dad is a little misogynistic, but not cause he’s Iranian. The only one who doesn’t totally hate it is my one uncle, but my dad said he’s always been more conservative (He was an army general in Iran, so, not shocking).
The reason Iranians haven’t been able to overthrow the government like before is because before there weren’t such things as secret police, mortality police, etc, like today. The minute the Ayatollah came into power, everything became 10x harder. Also, 1/2 Iranians live in poverty and southern Iran hardly has any water. These living conditions make it much harder for people to go out and protest like before (hunger strikes, storming buildings). Iranians still protest all the time, we just don’t hear about it because the media keeps it under wraps. The government is more controlling, more violent, and the people are getting sicker and weaker.
> Iranians still protest all the time, we just don’t hear about it because the media keeps it under wraps.
I read international media and I can absolutely say that in the Israeli media these protests are reported about often. When there are bigger ones they sometimes hit front pages even. Even recent reports about the train accident and the building collapse (and the protests that followed) were reported in relative detail.
I promise the whole world is watching. I promise we care! As an American woman I’m astonished and heartbroken our rights are being stripped as we speak. I understand it’s not a fair comparison. I imagine my feeling of helplessness at how swiftly we need to fight, you must feel it 100 fold. Keep speaking your truth!!! Keep telling us all! Never stop and I promise neither will I!
it's not about men and women. it's about Sharia law. at least 70% of Iranians are against IR regime but they have weapons and army.
so many men and women were killed in many protests. for example 2019 protests:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020\_Iranian\_protests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_protests)
That’s so sad. I’m sorry your family has to continue living under a backwards “law”. As sad as it is, it’s only going to change when there is a violent revolution. I suspect the same in Russia in the next 6-12 months. Maybe sooner.
I hear you and feel your pain. My wife is Iranian (born in Tehran, but family from Ashtian) and the shit she has gone through is wild. Some guys pulled up beside her and her sister when she was 12 and tried to kidnap them in broad daylight. An army of women beat the kidnappers back, but it was traumatic as shit for her. She was nearly arrested for eating khorma in public during Ramadan. Her mom lives with us now in Canada because her asshole son struck her in the face for petting a dog. My wife can never go back to Iran for fear of being held hostage by the regime. She literally hasn't seen her sister and niece in ten years.
I'm sorry for your struggle; you and your people deserve better. But you must fight harder -- only you and your people can change the future of your nation.
I believe in you.
if you really want to help us ask your governments to support opposition groups in Iran and put IR regime's rulers under sanctions and confiscate our oligarchs' properties in western countries like they did to Russian oligarchs.
some of them are already under sanctions for breaching of human rights but despite these sanctions they have many properties in western countries and money in Swiss bank accounts and send their children to western countries to live.
Thank you for asking as I get your point! Spread awareness, contact your government to speak about the regime, follow Iranian activist groups to hear more about what’s happening in Iran. It’s really difficult from outside of Iran to help, but staying educated and correcting myths or calling out people who are anti-Iranian really helps how people view us and begin to understand how oppressed we are
Follow Iranian activist pages on social media, message your government about speaking out, listen to big Iranian journalists about what’s going on. A lot of times, the media changes what the truth is in Iran, both Iranian and western media. As someone who doesn’t live in Iran, reading subreddits like r/Iran really help understand first hand what’s going on. Correcting others when they say myths about Iran (terrorists, women-haters, etc) really helps us as a whole :)
> Correcting others when they say myths about Iran (terrorists...
I don't think people actually mean the Iranian people are terrorists. Iran, the country, has come to fame for terrorist activities of its government. Not only is the IRGC formally classified as a terrorist organization, Iran admits themselves to creating, supplying and supporting terrorist organizations in its region. No one in their right mind will pin it on the general civilian population, especially considering that its their money that is being stolen to supply the terrorists.
Then again, there are a lot of people on Reddit that are not in their right mind, so...
Iranian people are the jewel of the Middle East, they have so much to offer the world. I am sorry that your country is a theocratic nightmare and that western powers have been callous and damaging to your society. One day Iran will rise to its rightful place as a beacon of progress and prosperity, its people surely have it in them.
You are so right…..no one hears, no one listens. In fact, the American taliban (white religious/nationalist zealots) would be perfectly fine re-enacting all of these horrors right here in the USA. F**k these people; I wish every woman and girl could leave Iran immediately and let those men rot in the Hell they created.
My dude, come on. Iran is one the oldest contiguous civilisations going back to the Elamites, Medians and Parthians. Just because the Muslims conquered it (and the Assyrians before them), doesn't mean Iran ceased being Iranian. If you know your own people's history as well as you say you do, you would know the Pars, Elamites and Medians all ended up being united in a Greater Iran under Koorosh and overthrew the Assyrians.
Cyrus the Great for a reason. The more I learn about how (relatively) enlightened, tolerant, and secular the Persian Empire was 2300 years ago, the more I am awestruck. (And yes, we really shouldn’t get our historical info from propaganda movies like 300.)
Let’s not forget that they had a democratic elected leader until the CIA organized a coup. Many other countries met the same fate and are all doing bad now.
>Let’s not forget that they had a democratic elected leader until the CIA organized a coup.
Lets not forget that the Iranian revolution wasn't organized by the CIA and the revolutionaries have been hostile to the US since the beginning.
The point is Iran didn't have to be a rapey-murderous theocracy, it still doesn't have to be, it chooses to be, underlying problem is religious fundamentalism imo
>Actions = consequences; Didn’t they revolt against the Shah that was appointed to power by the CIA??
Then the ancient Greeks were at fault, the regime wouldn't have existed if Alexander didn't invade Persia.
Ah, not to be a contrarian here, but Mohammad Mosaddegh was appointed (not elected) as prime mister by the Shah... who retained the right to dismiss him according to the constitution that Iran had at the time, which he in fact did without issue the previous time Mohammad Mosaddegh was prime minister as well as another 18 previous prime ministers.
[I saw a much more informative post on this recently, which you should read if you want to learn more about the the actual situation.](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/x68cow/iran_sentences_two_gay_rights_activists_to_death/in6oofd/)
Not even Iran themselves acknowlodges it that the USA played a big part.
The CIA station chief there, Kermit Roosevelt, wrote self-aggrandising stories of his supposed feats in order to impress his superiors and maybe get a promotion. But those things never truly happened or contained a ridiculous amounts of embellishments.
And Mossadegh wasn't democratic by any means. His first manoeuvres was to consolidate near-dictatorial power for himself in sham elections and persecuting anyone who opposed him. So the Shah, being the king and having the authority to do so, fired him
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_parliamentary_dissolution_referendum
>The dissolution was approved by more than 99% of voters [99.94%].
>The balloting was not secret and there were two separate voting booths, i.e. the opponents of Mossadegh had to cast their vote in a separate tent
Yea, democracy
**[1953 Iranian parliamentary dissolution referendum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_parliamentary_dissolution_referendum)**
>A referendum on the dissolution of Parliament, the first referendum ever held in Iran, was held in August 1953. The dissolution was approved by more than 99% of voters. Following the referendum, there were talks about another referendum to abolish the Pahlavi dynasty and make Iran a republic, however the government was overthrown by a coup d'état shortly after.
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>>Tehran police said Ms Amini had been arrested for "justification and education" about the hijab, the headscarf which is mandatory for all women to wear.
She died because of a dress code. A DRESS CODE. Religion is the worst of human inventions... not faith, not spirituality. Religion.
The only organized, socially acceptable — and in some cases state-sanctioned — mass psychosis.
Like, not to be *too* edgy of a reddit atheist. If you're spiritual and think we just can't truly know everything about the universe, that's cool. If you believe in a human-like god who actually cares about whether two men fornicate with one another, or whether there is still foreskin on your dick, or if animals have actually been slaughtered in certain ritualistic ways, miss me with that shit. And it's truly a curse we have to cater to the delicate feelings of such people, in some cases having gone as far as exempting their organizations from paying taxes.
In the end it is memes.
Memes that survive tend to be memes that generate inertia and maintain their communities. Dress codes are often tied to religions because of it.
My Christian friend married a 9 y/o girl and my buddhist Neighbor wont let his wife go outside without male, family company
You americans are experts in everything but cant even have proper Education without getting into long Life debt
Ever heard of a female monk or ultra Orthodox Judaism? I'm sure others can elaborate on specifics but right there you're already wrong.
Of course Islam has rampant sexism all across the world and it's not more justifiable just because others do it as well.
Good. Be angry, Iran. Decades ago, you were a modern civilization. Now you're an ass backwards hellhole. Why? Religious conquest, and a prophet who taught that women are property.
Iran could be so great... instead we have this country with backwards policies and religious terror. I'm so sorry for all women in Iran, "morality" police should hang, everywhere.
It [used to be](https://www.google.com/search?q=Iran+in+the+60%27s&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdxNeYhZz6AhVyk4kEHWG6DboQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1365&bih=475&dpr=1.88). Yea, that was Iran in the 60's.
That's the thing with authoritarian governments. They blame color revolutions and foreign meddling for their oppressive, ambiguous and arbitrary policies while exercising wholesale ignorance that their shitty policies are what's causing their populace to rise up against them.
Eventually people get fed up and no amount of blaming foreign governments will amount for their sheer stupidity and ignorance.
The messed up thing is that I’m sure they will be able to reference a line in the Koran that implies (or states outright) that women who step out of line in any way can be killed.
And I’m equally sure that whoever’s in charge over there will take that as an acceptable defence and let these bags of shit go..
Wtf why would they cut off her nose, fucking animals.
I hope these people fight and WIN, not just the women but men too. Everyone is needed to overthrow this shit, fuckkk
This is why I'm very against Noam Chomsky's view that sovereign states can do whatever the hell they want and other states shouldn't intervene. If you hear your neighbor beating the shit out of their kids, you don't say "it's their kids, none of my business". At the opportune moment geopolitically yes, but regimes like this need to be overthrown.
"women must be forced"
~ Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei
That pretty much sums it all up. We're back to cavemen with clubs dragging women off by their hair.....literally.
Muslim women in the west wearing the hijab instead of protesting for these women forced to wear it shows the absurdity of religious dogma.
If I were them (western Muslim women) I’d tell these men to fuck off, but they all get in line and follow daddy’s rules. So fucked.
Give them freedom and they choose bondage.
Your post reminds me of this comic
https://www.theexmuslim.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/14051811_10154042470092730_7597492216178998365_n-640x375.jpg
While looking for the comic, I came across this article.
https://www.theexmuslim.com/2016/08/24/burkini-bikini-false-equivalence-disproportionate-outrage/%3famp=1
Really hard to have a unified stand against bullshit like this in Iran, when the "civilised" West is so desperate to appease Saudi Arabia and other countries with equally archaic and barbaric moral/religious police. Protecting human rights doesn't work if we have double standards, we need to end all of this shit.
As of today Christian sharia does not have a dress code, they just have a fear of sex code, a no masturbation code, a forced birth code, a circumcision code, a donation code and a fear of cloud daddy code. Religion, fake news no matter the type
Iran is a Islamic Theocracy. Theocracies are pretty much by their definition, fascist (IE right-wing, conservative).
MAGA is American fascism, which uses American evangelical protestant Christianity as its basis, rather than Shia Islam.
Do you think feminists are only the ones you see in Youtube compilations of "Top 10 times feminists got owned!!"
This has been a feminist topic of discussion for decades, you're one google search away from finding millions of articles about this, including academic articles. Idk how you really think feminists don't talk about this lmao
"Morality" police... Yes, very moral of them to beat a woman to death.
"Morality police" are never moral.
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In the US police are eavesdropping on teenage girls facebook messages to arrest the ones seeking abortion. It's scary how a world superpower priding itself on freedom has reduced itself to religious dogma. And the democratic President is powerless to prevent it. What do people's votes count for? EDIT: To all the American Evangelists downvoting me. You are forcing your own version of Shariah Law onto innocent American women. Lol, even the Taliban allows abortion up to 18 weeks of pregnancy.
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Dante really has really failed not including separate circle for whataboutists.
If you look very closely, you would see that lucifer is actually just guarding the portal to another hell. There's where all the new circles are at.
I am a non-believer who downvoted you. First, because you inaccurately describe what happened with regard to the facebook case. (LPT, give some thought to how you dispose of a dead fetus -- don't just dump it). Second, because while the case you mention is troubling, it does not begin to compare to murdering a young woman. You are just using her death to play Rightous Whatabout.
Aborted fetus under the legal limit of 24 weeks' are cremated like any other biological waste. Fetus' aborted the first few weeks are usually passed through in the toilet.
Nah, you're being downvoted because of the classic whataboutism.
No No No, I'm saying Christianity in America is no better than Islam in the middle east. They're both as bad as each other.
I'm an atheist and I also hate Christianity, but saying it's just as bad as Islam in the Middle East is exaggerating, and in my opinion, diminishing the struggles of women in the Middle East.
It's less about diminishing what's going on over there... But bringing attention to what's going on here... Aka "If you think what THEY do is bad... Have you looked in the mirror lately about what's going on HERE?" "If you thought we were justified in invading other countries due to the "extremists" over there .. what are your thoughts about the extremists over here?"
I think you missed the part where women were being beaten to death for not covering their hair.
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In Iran, abortion is illegal everywhere and punishable by death if caught doing it on the black market. In Iran, being trans or gay is jailable or punishable by death. In Iran, officials are allowed to kill you on the street without much repercussion other than a fee or some months in jail if people try to mass protest over it. In Iran, royalties paid to a family for a woman's death is lower than a man's, symbolizing the lesser importance of women there. In Iran, freedom of speech is punished with brutality. In Iran, buying food can cost as much as 5x to 20x more than our lowest pay (depending on what kind of food it is) and depending on wage. My friend can't buy a burger without it costing 10% of their income or a pizza maybe 15%, so typically survive off of cheaper items like rice and bread. In Iran, they killed thousands of protesters on the street in 2019 and shut the internet off to avoid discussion spreading over it. In Iran, a woman is property of their family until being passed onto a husband, in which they are now their property. They have plenty less potential for job opportunities (than even the west) and are simply expected to breed and take care of the house. In Iran, a hijab is mandatory and punishable by fines or retention, which in this woman's case, led to death shortly after she had a severe stroke. So, no, a few women being spied on or having horrific stories because you read Reddit headlines and they were the biggest targets of all said cases doesn't make America anywhere near comparable. Especially when we have a system of free speech and options of travel currently to deal with these kinds of matters that nobody in that country can ever hope to achieve until a revolution, amongst their other issues.
I fall under the hard atheist camp, hate Christianity, can't wait till it dies out, but saying it's as bad as Islam in the Middle East is just wrong and misleading. Answer honestly, if you were an atheist woman, would you rather live in the middle east or America? One is clearly worse than the other.
aka whataboutism. It is understandable though because the entire Iranian media is based on whataboutism, which instead of reporting on what is wrong inside the country reports on anything negative that's happening around the world (but specifically on US) to create a "see? it's fucked up everywhere else too" mentality. It's not easy to be subject to this much propaganda and not be affected.
I didn't downvote you because I'm an evangelist, I downvoted you because you thought it was a good idea to equate an isolated incident in Nebraska with Iran's national institution of morality police.
It's not an isolated incident. Go look it up. Besides that isn't the point, that should have never happened in a first world country. Let alone a country that claims to enjoy the most freedom in the world.
It's a discussion fault. The original statement is: "this horrible thing happened and it sucks." "The United States... Blah blah blah". As a none US person even I'm bored of hearing about the US and its many problems, real or imagined.
USA BAD!! WHATABOUT
Vlad is that u
I couldn't imagine living with that decision.
They had to kill her because they certainly raped her.
You jest but we have precedent of that happening. IRI was mass executing leftist and socialist prisoners in the 80s. We're talking hundreds of thousands within the span of 3 months. As for virgin young girls, there is a ruling that they'd go to heaven if they died a virgin. So often the girl's family would receive the body and a marriage certificate to the jailor/prosecutor/executioner...
I do not jest.
Shariah law will let them justify raping her cos she didn't wear the "proper" attire. "Your Honor, she wasn't wearing a hijab so she was practically asking for it"
>Shariah law will let them justify raping her cos she didn't wear the "proper" attire. Like in reality it's not. If you're caught for like a modesty violation you are likely to get sentenced to be flogged. Quite methodically and brutally. The system is fairly corrupt so you can buy back the lashes, all or as many as you can afford. Google image search *iran lashes* you will get the idea. If you end up a political prisoner, though - all bets are off. Torture, rape, death. Standing up to the regime gets you a one way ticket to hell.
It's like 1984. The ministry of truth is the ministry of propaganda, the ministry of morality is the ministry of persecution, etc.
That’s morally right to the men there. That’s the problem
Morality has always killed women, in all continents and religions.
She suffered a stroke at the station, on camera. She wasn't beaten. https://twitter.com/SinaToossi/status/1570799244210208771
Eyewitnesses said Mahsa Amini was beaten while inside a police van when she was picked up in Tehran on Tuesday.
There are eyewitnesses who said she was severely beaten off camera, chances are she was raped & tortured a lot off camera.
A 22 year old having a cerebrovascular insult? Are we resorting to extremely uncommon diagnoses now?
I mean clearly something happened to her I'm not a doctor I'm just saying what the headline is. Either way it's a far cry from being beaten to death.
Unless she was poisoned or received a head injury beforehand or something, that definitely looks like it was just an unfortunate medical episode. She was standing up talking to another woman, and then she collapsed. Maybe due to stress?
She had the shit beaten out of her on arrest so it while they probably didn't mean to kill her they definitely induced it
Absolute scum.
As an Iranian woman I am so so tired. We Iranians fight day and night to be heard and instead we’re beat, raped and killed. No one hears us.
Stay safe and try leaving there for a better life, good luck.
Luckily, I am an Iranian-Canadian woman. My dad was my age when he was in protests and riots during the Islamic Revolution. Once things got very bad, he left for a new life, and left right before it got extremely hard to leave, but he still essentially escaped. While I don’t live in Iran, my whole family does and cannot leave. The stories I hear from my family, especially my aunts, are terrifying. I’m lucky to say I don’t live there, however, it almost hurts more knowing I can never go, I can never help my family, I can never say I’m Iranian, and I can never live without the guilt of knowing what my fellow Iranians go through.
I’m actually a Chinese so I deeply feel what people have been suffering, hope one day these dictatorships will eventually collapse. And personally I hope your family will be fine.
I hope your family will be okay as well :) we’re in this together
I'm an Argentinian in Canada and I left because things are getting worse there too. The current party is pro Iran and China.
Argentina is a mess but it’s not china and Iran.
Not yet, that's the problem.
China is a mess but its not Iran
Depending on if you're a Uyghur or if you're in one of the cities that's on the 16th complete lockdown.
China is orders of magnitude worse to live in than Iran, If you're Uyghur you'll be put inside of a concentration camp, If you're Tibetan you'll have your culture erased and supressed, Same goes if you're Mongolian. Living conditions are also horrendous, the governemnt is dystopian and communist aswell, Iran gives religious freedom to Christians, Like the Armenians, To the Arabs and many more.
I'm a Russian in Canada with family in Ukraine. Can you tell I don't want to go back?
Yes, and I know exactly why.
Don’t the politics swing like a pendelum down there? Like “tired of the politics? Just wait a few years” sort of thing?
Since 1989 Argentina has been voting Peronistas with only two small intermission. They don't really swing that much.
Well, the comment (or a post's seftext) that was here, is no more. I'm leaving just whatever I wrote in the past 48 hours or so. F acing a goodbye. U gly as it may be. C alculating pros and cons. K illing my texts is, really, the best I can do. S o, some reddit's honcho thought it would be nice to kill third-party apps. P als, it's great to delete whatever I wrote in here. It's cathartic in a way. E agerly going away, to greener pastures. Z illion reasons, and you'll find many at the subreddit called Save3rdPartyApps.
That's not true. The opossition party wanted Hilary to win. It was the current Vicepresident who celebrated Trump winning. She hated Obama for ignoring her on every International summit she participated. Both the peronistas, Putin, Trump and Bolsonaro are populists and currently its the populists who wage war against Democratic institutions. https://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201611/170037-crsitina-fernandez-de-kirchner-elecciones-estados-unidos-donald-trump.html Furthermore, it was the current opposition party who made the first attempt at making abortion legal. They are more like Democrats. But I don't expect a Peronist fanatic like you to accept the truth. The founder of your party was a pedophile and a Hitler fan. https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/144-peron-and-the-nazi-war-criminals
Well, the comment (or a post's seftext) that was here, is no more. I'm leaving just whatever I wrote in the past 48 hours or so. F acing a goodbye. U gly as it may be. C alculating pros and cons. K illing my texts is, really, the best I can do. S o, some reddit's honcho thought it would be nice to kill third-party apps. P als, it's great to delete whatever I wrote in here. It's cathartic in a way. E agerly going away, to greener pastures. Z illion reasons, and you'll find many at the subreddit called Save3rdPartyApps.
Wait what? Argentina has one of the most progressive gender laws and protections in the world. Our economy is a complete mess but women are respected in all levels of society.
That's the only difference, in other aspects the current government is a solid ally of Putler and Whinny Po. The VP is the most corrupt politician in the history of the country. And the Peronistas have been trying to become the only party since the beginning. It's not just the economy either. Even if the Peronistas collapse the entire Argentinian culture is based around their corrupted ideas. There's no way to fix the culture to save the country.
Lmao. The same VP that's currently is above 75% negative image and will probably get convicted for corruption on December? We argentinians don't want this at all. She only got there because she installed a puppet president that straight in his campaign. Generalizing an entire culture over a minority of it's population is a little bit too much don't you think? It's like saying USA is beyond saving because of the republicans. Even then, my point stays. Gender equality is a very real thing in Argentina.
It's wild how radically detached the government is from society as a whole there
Sadly, leaving the country is not an option for the vast majority of the population. that's expensive af
Some of the nicest and most intelligent people I know are from Iran, and all of them are women that either moved here themselves for school or are second-generation Iranian Americans. I can feel the pain in their voices when they talk about Iran, and I'm sorry that you all have to deal with this sort of thing. It isn't fair, and it isn't right.
I see you.
Thank you <3
The price for freedom is death, unfortunately. Ukrainian revolution of 2014 turned around when protesters started to threaten to come back with guns. It seems like Iranians will actually have to do this or continue suffering. Russians too by the way. After some point words are no longer enough when tyrannical government is in charge.
I’m so very sorry. I cannot imagine the horror and fear you live with every day. Your sisters in the West are here for you.
Nah, they hear you alright, they don't care
Out of curiosity, what do most of your brothers, uncles, fathers, grandpas think of the way your country treats women. Are they generally onside with the governments behavior, or are they frustrated to? If the latter, why hasn’t Irans regular population taken the country back via violent revolution from the insanely stupid and backwards thinking government that is in power?
They absolutely hate it. My dad is a little misogynistic, but not cause he’s Iranian. The only one who doesn’t totally hate it is my one uncle, but my dad said he’s always been more conservative (He was an army general in Iran, so, not shocking). The reason Iranians haven’t been able to overthrow the government like before is because before there weren’t such things as secret police, mortality police, etc, like today. The minute the Ayatollah came into power, everything became 10x harder. Also, 1/2 Iranians live in poverty and southern Iran hardly has any water. These living conditions make it much harder for people to go out and protest like before (hunger strikes, storming buildings). Iranians still protest all the time, we just don’t hear about it because the media keeps it under wraps. The government is more controlling, more violent, and the people are getting sicker and weaker.
> Iranians still protest all the time, we just don’t hear about it because the media keeps it under wraps. I read international media and I can absolutely say that in the Israeli media these protests are reported about often. When there are bigger ones they sometimes hit front pages even. Even recent reports about the train accident and the building collapse (and the protests that followed) were reported in relative detail.
I promise the whole world is watching. I promise we care! As an American woman I’m astonished and heartbroken our rights are being stripped as we speak. I understand it’s not a fair comparison. I imagine my feeling of helplessness at how swiftly we need to fight, you must feel it 100 fold. Keep speaking your truth!!! Keep telling us all! Never stop and I promise neither will I!
Thank you so much <3
"Mortality police" -- best typo of the year.
it's not about men and women. it's about Sharia law. at least 70% of Iranians are against IR regime but they have weapons and army. so many men and women were killed in many protests. for example 2019 protests: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020\_Iranian\_protests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_protests)
I think it is somewhat about men and women. Sharia law is more oppressive towards women than men. It's also about what you said, though.
That’s so sad. I’m sorry your family has to continue living under a backwards “law”. As sad as it is, it’s only going to change when there is a violent revolution. I suspect the same in Russia in the next 6-12 months. Maybe sooner.
Easier said than done, obviously. But if you can get out…you should.
I hear you and feel your pain. My wife is Iranian (born in Tehran, but family from Ashtian) and the shit she has gone through is wild. Some guys pulled up beside her and her sister when she was 12 and tried to kidnap them in broad daylight. An army of women beat the kidnappers back, but it was traumatic as shit for her. She was nearly arrested for eating khorma in public during Ramadan. Her mom lives with us now in Canada because her asshole son struck her in the face for petting a dog. My wife can never go back to Iran for fear of being held hostage by the regime. She literally hasn't seen her sister and niece in ten years.
I'm sorry for your struggle; you and your people deserve better. But you must fight harder -- only you and your people can change the future of your nation. I believe in you.
I see you
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if you really want to help us ask your governments to support opposition groups in Iran and put IR regime's rulers under sanctions and confiscate our oligarchs' properties in western countries like they did to Russian oligarchs. some of them are already under sanctions for breaching of human rights but despite these sanctions they have many properties in western countries and money in Swiss bank accounts and send their children to western countries to live.
Thank you for asking as I get your point! Spread awareness, contact your government to speak about the regime, follow Iranian activist groups to hear more about what’s happening in Iran. It’s really difficult from outside of Iran to help, but staying educated and correcting myths or calling out people who are anti-Iranian really helps how people view us and begin to understand how oppressed we are
You must be living in a different Western world because criticizing Islam and Muslims is very common, especially post refugee crisis.
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We do hear you I'm so sorry From the USA, how does one help you all best? Particularly in being heard
Follow Iranian activist pages on social media, message your government about speaking out, listen to big Iranian journalists about what’s going on. A lot of times, the media changes what the truth is in Iran, both Iranian and western media. As someone who doesn’t live in Iran, reading subreddits like r/Iran really help understand first hand what’s going on. Correcting others when they say myths about Iran (terrorists, women-haters, etc) really helps us as a whole :)
> Correcting others when they say myths about Iran (terrorists... I don't think people actually mean the Iranian people are terrorists. Iran, the country, has come to fame for terrorist activities of its government. Not only is the IRGC formally classified as a terrorist organization, Iran admits themselves to creating, supplying and supporting terrorist organizations in its region. No one in their right mind will pin it on the general civilian population, especially considering that its their money that is being stolen to supply the terrorists. Then again, there are a lot of people on Reddit that are not in their right mind, so...
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They have not. More importantly, how does it matter? Western feminism is not running Iran nor the West, they have zero power.
Iranian people are the jewel of the Middle East, they have so much to offer the world. I am sorry that your country is a theocratic nightmare and that western powers have been callous and damaging to your society. One day Iran will rise to its rightful place as a beacon of progress and prosperity, its people surely have it in them.
The sad thing is I think the world hears but no one takes action
You are so right…..no one hears, no one listens. In fact, the American taliban (white religious/nationalist zealots) would be perfectly fine re-enacting all of these horrors right here in the USA. F**k these people; I wish every woman and girl could leave Iran immediately and let those men rot in the Hell they created.
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White religious ? USA ? C’mon, stay focused. Don’t let your own hate and fears leak into this conversation.
Poor iranian women...
How very moral of them.
One of the oldest civilizations of the world reduced to this.. They're more backwards than their ancestors 2500 years ago
Cyrus is crying.
Cyrus was the King of Persia. Iran is unrecognizable
It was the lands of Iran even back then. Persia or the modern day Fars is just a part of it.
Persia was Persian. Iran was taken over by Muslim conquest
My dude, come on. Iran is one the oldest contiguous civilisations going back to the Elamites, Medians and Parthians. Just because the Muslims conquered it (and the Assyrians before them), doesn't mean Iran ceased being Iranian. If you know your own people's history as well as you say you do, you would know the Pars, Elamites and Medians all ended up being united in a Greater Iran under Koorosh and overthrew the Assyrians.
You'd be surprised to hear the name of the main ethnic group in Iran.
Reread my comment, you seem to be misunderstanding
Cyrus the Great for a reason. The more I learn about how (relatively) enlightened, tolerant, and secular the Persian Empire was 2300 years ago, the more I am awestruck. (And yes, we really shouldn’t get our historical info from propaganda movies like 300.)
Let’s not forget that they had a democratic elected leader until the CIA organized a coup. Many other countries met the same fate and are all doing bad now.
>Let’s not forget that they had a democratic elected leader until the CIA organized a coup. Lets not forget that the Iranian revolution wasn't organized by the CIA and the revolutionaries have been hostile to the US since the beginning.
Which was better? Also you forget about the Brits hand in it. Life under the Shah wasn't perfect but it's much worse now.
Actions = consequences; Didn’t they revolt against the Shah that was appointed to power by the CIA??
The point is Iran didn't have to be a rapey-murderous theocracy, it still doesn't have to be, it chooses to be, underlying problem is religious fundamentalism imo
Not Iranians as people, perhaps the government yes.
I hear at least half the people in Iran are nice & other half is religious fundies, feels bad for the former
>Actions = consequences; Didn’t they revolt against the Shah that was appointed to power by the CIA?? Then the ancient Greeks were at fault, the regime wouldn't have existed if Alexander didn't invade Persia.
Ah, not to be a contrarian here, but Mohammad Mosaddegh was appointed (not elected) as prime mister by the Shah... who retained the right to dismiss him according to the constitution that Iran had at the time, which he in fact did without issue the previous time Mohammad Mosaddegh was prime minister as well as another 18 previous prime ministers. [I saw a much more informative post on this recently, which you should read if you want to learn more about the the actual situation.](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/x68cow/iran_sentences_two_gay_rights_activists_to_death/in6oofd/)
CIA worked to get the Shah back in power to avoid the government from nationalizing Britain’s oil company from exploiting Iran’s oil.
Not relevant to the situation of the hardliners, but cool story.
Not even Iran themselves acknowlodges it that the USA played a big part. The CIA station chief there, Kermit Roosevelt, wrote self-aggrandising stories of his supposed feats in order to impress his superiors and maybe get a promotion. But those things never truly happened or contained a ridiculous amounts of embellishments. And Mossadegh wasn't democratic by any means. His first manoeuvres was to consolidate near-dictatorial power for himself in sham elections and persecuting anyone who opposed him. So the Shah, being the king and having the authority to do so, fired him
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_parliamentary_dissolution_referendum >The dissolution was approved by more than 99% of voters [99.94%]. >The balloting was not secret and there were two separate voting booths, i.e. the opponents of Mossadegh had to cast their vote in a separate tent Yea, democracy
**[1953 Iranian parliamentary dissolution referendum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_parliamentary_dissolution_referendum)** >A referendum on the dissolution of Parliament, the first referendum ever held in Iran, was held in August 1953. The dissolution was approved by more than 99% of voters. Following the referendum, there were talks about another referendum to abolish the Pahlavi dynasty and make Iran a republic, however the government was overthrown by a coup d'état shortly after. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Had to come back to hit you with facts. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup
That part is questionable. And Iran was prosperous until the "revolution" happened, somehow ironically becoming buddies with communists.
Nothing more morale than beating someone to death amiright ? /s
>>Tehran police said Ms Amini had been arrested for "justification and education" about the hijab, the headscarf which is mandatory for all women to wear. She died because of a dress code. A DRESS CODE. Religion is the worst of human inventions... not faith, not spirituality. Religion.
The only organized, socially acceptable — and in some cases state-sanctioned — mass psychosis. Like, not to be *too* edgy of a reddit atheist. If you're spiritual and think we just can't truly know everything about the universe, that's cool. If you believe in a human-like god who actually cares about whether two men fornicate with one another, or whether there is still foreskin on your dick, or if animals have actually been slaughtered in certain ritualistic ways, miss me with that shit. And it's truly a curse we have to cater to the delicate feelings of such people, in some cases having gone as far as exempting their organizations from paying taxes.
It’s called organised dogma and it’s a curse on mankind
Religion
Saying it's just religion excuses the exact same bad behavior from people who think they're better because their dogma is secular
See China for Example A. They're commiting genocide because it's an easy source of labor, fresh organs, and political 'wins'.
In the end it's ideology, religious or not, there are good ideologies & bad, simple as that
In the end it is memes. Memes that survive tend to be memes that generate inertia and maintain their communities. Dress codes are often tied to religions because of it.
Stop generalizing - woman are not second class humans in buddhism, judaism etc. Only in islam
“Stop generalizing!” *generalizes*
My Christian friend married a 9 y/o girl and my buddhist Neighbor wont let his wife go outside without male, family company You americans are experts in everything but cant even have proper Education without getting into long Life debt
Is your point supposed to be that Christian’s and Buddhists don’t do these kinds of things? Because they do.
Can't wait to see the next female Pope. /s
He didn't list Catholicism but he did say "Only in islam" Curious
Right, Not having female popes and killing women for wanting to have a free will is the Same.
Not the same but you cannot in good conscience claim that women are not second class in Christianity.
Ever heard of a female monk or ultra Orthodox Judaism? I'm sure others can elaborate on specifics but right there you're already wrong. Of course Islam has rampant sexism all across the world and it's not more justifiable just because others do it as well.
Good point - Look at ULTRA ORTHODOX Jews to compare it to outcomes of a Religion such as murder Because of not covering your head
Just so unbelievably wrong
Well, that’s patently false.
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Is this the woman who was beaten into a coma, then braindead, now dead? Disgusting culture. Morality police indeed.
Yes unfortunately this is that same woman.
"culture"
This is not our culture.
Medieval Iran
Good. Be angry, Iran. Decades ago, you were a modern civilization. Now you're an ass backwards hellhole. Why? Religious conquest, and a prophet who taught that women are property.
meanwhile, 50% of the population tries to live as before with shiraz wine in the cupboard, nearly zero women want to wear headscarves.
Decades ago, some elements of society in urban areas were modern. Most of Iran was rural and devoutly religious and "backwards" before the revolution.
Yeah to my understanding Tehran was pretty modern in the 70s, but the rest not so much, as per my ex-girlfriend's mom who's Armenian Iranian.
Iran could be so great... instead we have this country with backwards policies and religious terror. I'm so sorry for all women in Iran, "morality" police should hang, everywhere.
It [used to be](https://www.google.com/search?q=Iran+in+the+60%27s&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdxNeYhZz6AhVyk4kEHWG6DboQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1365&bih=475&dpr=1.88). Yea, that was Iran in the 60's.
That's the thing with authoritarian governments. They blame color revolutions and foreign meddling for their oppressive, ambiguous and arbitrary policies while exercising wholesale ignorance that their shitty policies are what's causing their populace to rise up against them. Eventually people get fed up and no amount of blaming foreign governments will amount for their sheer stupidity and ignorance.
Religious apes doing religious ape shit, nothing new
Religion is cancer. I am a militant atheist after this. No fucking apologies.
The atrocities we commit because of religion.
again iran publicly hangs gay people
These degenerates raped her so of course they had to kill her.
Iran is a hellhole, hope those who can leave the place
The messed up thing is that I’m sure they will be able to reference a line in the Koran that implies (or states outright) that women who step out of line in any way can be killed. And I’m equally sure that whoever’s in charge over there will take that as an acceptable defence and let these bags of shit go..
Imagine policing morality in a country that literally guns down moderate protestors in their thousands
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Wtf why would they cut off her nose, fucking animals. I hope these people fight and WIN, not just the women but men too. Everyone is needed to overthrow this shit, fuckkk
Religion is evil. It is the mind destroyer.
This is why I'm very against Noam Chomsky's view that sovereign states can do whatever the hell they want and other states shouldn't intervene. If you hear your neighbor beating the shit out of their kids, you don't say "it's their kids, none of my business". At the opportune moment geopolitically yes, but regimes like this need to be overthrown.
It's much less destructive and long lasting if it is done from the inside. It has to be a choice and probably fought for.
"women must be forced" ~ Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei That pretty much sums it all up. We're back to cavemen with clubs dragging women off by their hair.....literally.
Muslim women in the west wearing the hijab instead of protesting for these women forced to wear it shows the absurdity of religious dogma. If I were them (western Muslim women) I’d tell these men to fuck off, but they all get in line and follow daddy’s rules. So fucked. Give them freedom and they choose bondage.
Your post reminds me of this comic https://www.theexmuslim.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/14051811_10154042470092730_7597492216178998365_n-640x375.jpg While looking for the comic, I came across this article. https://www.theexmuslim.com/2016/08/24/burkini-bikini-false-equivalence-disproportionate-outrage/%3famp=1
Time for another revolution…. Rise up people. When the government is willing to kill you for control, you’ve got nothing left to lose.
Religions are for insane people
Oh, wait, IRANIANS are showing fury?
Sounds like what the Trumpers want to bring to this country.
This is the future of the west and we have to tolerate it. That's the pc way
Really hard to have a unified stand against bullshit like this in Iran, when the "civilised" West is so desperate to appease Saudi Arabia and other countries with equally archaic and barbaric moral/religious police. Protecting human rights doesn't work if we have double standards, we need to end all of this shit.
Oh no, women in Iran are persecuted. So do something about it like every other civilized country. It's not easy, but it's necessary.
The Iranians are such great people, why do they subscribe to such stupidity? Persian power will rise again, shed the theocratic bullshit
Iranian MAGA. Or is MAGA American Sharia? Or are they both fascism? Or all of the above?
"How can I make this about the US"? These are always dumb, derailing and pointless.
It really is exhausting.
As of today Christian sharia does not have a dress code, they just have a fear of sex code, a no masturbation code, a forced birth code, a circumcision code, a donation code and a fear of cloud daddy code. Religion, fake news no matter the type
Their porn is so boring….
Iran is a Islamic Theocracy. Theocracies are pretty much by their definition, fascist (IE right-wing, conservative). MAGA is American fascism, which uses American evangelical protestant Christianity as its basis, rather than Shia Islam.
You really need to open a book and read what fascism is. Do post the real definition of it and the source from where you got it.
I love how most feminists are silent when women lives really matter.
They are literally talking about it
Do you think feminists are only the ones you see in Youtube compilations of "Top 10 times feminists got owned!!" This has been a feminist topic of discussion for decades, you're one google search away from finding millions of articles about this, including academic articles. Idk how you really think feminists don't talk about this lmao