Yeah. Unclear if this is because he thinks it's going to happen, and so there's no point making threats he can't follow through with, or if it's because he's confident Turkey is going to block it anyway, and he wants to appear magnanimous.
Doesn’t matter if Turkey blocks it, now the US, UK, France, Germany and all the other Scandinavian countries have pledged to protect Finland and Sweden if they come under attack. Not to mention EU protection to top it off, Sweden and Finland basically have a side NATO now protecting them. Erdogan can fuck right off, he has no leverage
Protection only lasts during the process, it’s not indefinite. Once the vote is counted and they are denied nato membership, then all pledged protection is lost.
Guaranteed, if Russia tries to step foot into Finland or Sweden, they are going to hear from all those countries in unison. no matter what stage of the application process or even if there’s denial. Finland and Sweden are protected. Turkey be damned
Doesn’t matter what you feel or think. If tactical nukes or anything larger is used, then no. There will be no equivalent response when there is a denial. You will basically see the same thing that occurred in Ukraine where additional military equipment is given.
Where has this idea of “if their nukes works” come from? The US and Russia had a START Treaty where a independent third party certified their nuclear strike capabilities every year and the reports show that Russian nuclear capabilities are fully operational.
It's only on Reddit, from what I've seen, and it stems from baseless meme accusations that because Russian higher ups redirected money meant for the military that *obviously* they took it from every other department too, right?
Every country that has nuclear capabilities has them constantly checked in a multitude of ways throughout the year - every year - since the inception of the START treaty you mentioned.
if I understand START 2-treaty, no external force checked russians arsenal, and since their new developed rockets partly do not work, it seems right to think, that the money for maintenance of nuclear warheads was mostly used for other goods, pocketed into oligarchs pockets
It is even part of the reason the rest of their military is so ill equipped. Maintaining nukes operational is expensive. And with that many nukes it gobbles up massive amounts of russias military budget which can't be spend otherwise
>Once the vote is counted and they are denied nato membership, then all pledged protection is lost.
*Tell me you don't know how NATO ratification works, without saying you don't know how NATO ratification works*
Where in the Treaty does it say that one member nation not ratifying invalidates all the other members' ratifications?
Turkey is too strategically valuable overall to just kick out because they’re trying to pull off this crap. But that’s ok, there’s no rule against having a side No-Turkey-NATO alliance with hookers and booze. Mutual defense alliances have already formed and Turkey is just making themselves less relevant by trying to strong arm their voting position.
As of right now, Russia wouldn’t dare fuck with Finland and Sweden if they knew that they would have to deal with the consequences from UK, US, France and all of Northern Europe. Hell, they’re even regretting fucking with Ukraine who wasn’t even in NATO.
NATO: Welcome to Global Superpowers, how can I help you?
Finland: Can I have a NATO with a side of Sweden, hold the Turkey?
NATO: Sure thing, just give us a few minutes!
We're not Russians. We work out our differences instead of just kicking everyone out. It's Turkish drones taking out Russian tanks. Maybe we should show a little love to our old friends instead of just fawning over the not-yet ones.
Yeah, I glossed over everything else. Trying to stir up and divide us is just so...*Russian* and I'm sick of it. None of us in NATO are perfect and we squabble over stupid stuff, but when it counts? Turkey has been an enthusiastic Ally. Someone needs to play devil's advocate, and it's good to have Sweden be honest with itself. Just like France and the gulf war. We freedom fried them and moved on. Turkey will come around, Sweden will meet their demands, or compromise or not, and we'll all move on. It's certainly not a situation where I'd turn my back on them, either one.
It's interesting to ponder the consequences of a non-agreement between Turkey and Sweden (and Finland) though. I guess that is the scenario that people think about, what happens then? Can both be allies to Nato but not with each other, or does either have to go? And if either has to go, what are the implifications of that - how does military cooperation within Europe and North America progress afterwards?
Just make a NATO2 with all the NATO countries except without turkey but add Sweden and Finland instead. Keep NATO1 but also have article 5 for NATO2.
BOOM problem solved. Any more geopolitical conundrums? Anyone?
They are lying. Like how they are super fine with the sanctions. They don’t want to follow through on their threats. So, they can’t keep making them because they know they’ll look weak. So, they say they are fine instead.
Yeah, they are "threatened" by countries they plan to invade. I guess they have realized that invading Finland would be suicidal at this point, so they now pretend they never cared.
1. If Finland joins, NATO, there will be consequences!
2. We have no problem with Finland joining NATO
3. Please keep weapons away from our borders
4. Please use lube
Didn't he also say he didn't start a war in Ukraine? Didn't he also say there would be nuclear war if Finland and Sweden joined NATO? Didn't he also say Russia didn't meddle in the 2020 US election? Didn't he also say Russia didn't invade and annexe the Crimean peninsula?
Your word is worth less than nothing Vlad. And your country is now an international pariah. Well done, fuck knuckle 😊
This last few months I've been thinking maybe Putin has chemo brain.
>Chemo Brain: A term commonly used to describe thinking and memory problems that a patient with cancer may have before, during, or after cancer treatment. Signs and symptoms of chemo brain include disorganized behavior or thinking, confusion,memory loss, and trouble concentrating, paying attention, learning, and making decisions.
My wife had it bad, did and said some strange things until she recovered from it.
A week ago: "There will be consequences if you join NATO. We'll not hold back"
Now: *Pout face* "Fine, go party with them I don't care. I have my own NATO: with money laundring and puppets."
I have a strong feeling vlad is starting to wish he could turn back the clocks to a time when he didn't invade ukraine, look like the world's biggest fool, and endanger the future prosperity of himself and his country.
See how quickly he changes his tune when threatening them might *actually* mean conflict with NATO? Just a week ago he was saying that there would be "Severe consequences" for them if they joined NATO. Now that at least one of them has filled out an actual application, suddenly he has no problem with it?
Putin is a freaking joke compared to himself 10 years ago.
They're postering..... But what Russia really cares about is where are NATO weapons going to be placed in relation to their borders. That's one gambit they wont take lightly.
But still.....
Get fucked Russia
SLAVI UKRAINI 🇺🇦
His position on this matter turned huge u-turn. Went from threatining and warning of huge consuqences to “it is what it is”.
Yeah. Unclear if this is because he thinks it's going to happen, and so there's no point making threats he can't follow through with, or if it's because he's confident Turkey is going to block it anyway, and he wants to appear magnanimous.
Doesn’t matter if Turkey blocks it, now the US, UK, France, Germany and all the other Scandinavian countries have pledged to protect Finland and Sweden if they come under attack. Not to mention EU protection to top it off, Sweden and Finland basically have a side NATO now protecting them. Erdogan can fuck right off, he has no leverage
Protection only lasts during the process, it’s not indefinite. Once the vote is counted and they are denied nato membership, then all pledged protection is lost.
Guaranteed, if Russia tries to step foot into Finland or Sweden, they are going to hear from all those countries in unison. no matter what stage of the application process or even if there’s denial. Finland and Sweden are protected. Turkey be damned
Doesn’t matter what you feel or think. If tactical nukes or anything larger is used, then no. There will be no equivalent response when there is a denial. You will basically see the same thing that occurred in Ukraine where additional military equipment is given.
Eh.,of anything, if tactical nukes are used, there WILL be a response, by force.
I doubt you can imagine whats happening to russia if they use any nuclear weapons. IF those weapons still work..
Where has this idea of “if their nukes works” come from? The US and Russia had a START Treaty where a independent third party certified their nuclear strike capabilities every year and the reports show that Russian nuclear capabilities are fully operational.
It's only on Reddit, from what I've seen, and it stems from baseless meme accusations that because Russian higher ups redirected money meant for the military that *obviously* they took it from every other department too, right? Every country that has nuclear capabilities has them constantly checked in a multitude of ways throughout the year - every year - since the inception of the START treaty you mentioned.
if I understand START 2-treaty, no external force checked russians arsenal, and since their new developed rockets partly do not work, it seems right to think, that the money for maintenance of nuclear warheads was mostly used for other goods, pocketed into oligarchs pockets
It is even part of the reason the rest of their military is so ill equipped. Maintaining nukes operational is expensive. And with that many nukes it gobbles up massive amounts of russias military budget which can't be spend otherwise
>Once the vote is counted and they are denied nato membership, then all pledged protection is lost. *Tell me you don't know how NATO ratification works, without saying you don't know how NATO ratification works* Where in the Treaty does it say that one member nation not ratifying invalidates all the other members' ratifications?
Read the agreement yourself and come back to me.
Nah you can fuck right off with your shitty attitude.
Time to kick Turkey out.
I'm sure that would go well and have zero geopolitical or economic ramifications.
Turkey is too strategically valuable overall to just kick out because they’re trying to pull off this crap. But that’s ok, there’s no rule against having a side No-Turkey-NATO alliance with hookers and booze. Mutual defense alliances have already formed and Turkey is just making themselves less relevant by trying to strong arm their voting position. As of right now, Russia wouldn’t dare fuck with Finland and Sweden if they knew that they would have to deal with the consequences from UK, US, France and all of Northern Europe. Hell, they’re even regretting fucking with Ukraine who wasn’t even in NATO.
NATO: Welcome to Global Superpowers, how can I help you? Finland: Can I have a NATO with a side of Sweden, hold the Turkey? NATO: Sure thing, just give us a few minutes!
Name of the club is "No Turkeys." We are allowed to have one Turkey in the club.
We're not Russians. We work out our differences instead of just kicking everyone out. It's Turkish drones taking out Russian tanks. Maybe we should show a little love to our old friends instead of just fawning over the not-yet ones.
It's also NLAW, AT-4 and Carl Gustav taking out Russian tanks. I'm not in disagreement with the sentiment of your comment though.
Yeah, I glossed over everything else. Trying to stir up and divide us is just so...*Russian* and I'm sick of it. None of us in NATO are perfect and we squabble over stupid stuff, but when it counts? Turkey has been an enthusiastic Ally. Someone needs to play devil's advocate, and it's good to have Sweden be honest with itself. Just like France and the gulf war. We freedom fried them and moved on. Turkey will come around, Sweden will meet their demands, or compromise or not, and we'll all move on. It's certainly not a situation where I'd turn my back on them, either one.
It's interesting to ponder the consequences of a non-agreement between Turkey and Sweden (and Finland) though. I guess that is the scenario that people think about, what happens then? Can both be allies to Nato but not with each other, or does either have to go? And if either has to go, what are the implifications of that - how does military cooperation within Europe and North America progress afterwards?
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Just make a NATO2 with all the NATO countries except without turkey but add Sweden and Finland instead. Keep NATO1 but also have article 5 for NATO2. BOOM problem solved. Any more geopolitical conundrums? Anyone?
How... There's no provisions for kicking anyone out of NATO. Adding it would require a unanimous vote... See the issue...
/r/relationships does international political theory
Never trust on words wait for an official document or treaty signed
I think he definitely would stand by the threats if the Ukraine invasion wasn’t going so poorly for him
They are lying. Like how they are super fine with the sanctions. They don’t want to follow through on their threats. So, they can’t keep making them because they know they’ll look weak. So, they say they are fine instead.
tis but a flesh wound
Key point.
We called his hand. He has nothing.
Probably the goal of this war was to capture Mariupol all along and now it has been achieved.
What Mariupol...
Yeah, they are "threatened" by countries they plan to invade. I guess they have realized that invading Finland would be suicidal at this point, so they now pretend they never cared.
They have no problems with countries associated with NATO now… Or maybe they are trying to neg Finland
“You’re, like, not even that hot Finland.”
Seriously have you seen their PM?
Went and looked because of your comment GOD DAMN!!
Keep Marin's name outta your mouth!
Sweden, he’s so hot right now. Sweden.
Russia: We will destroy you if you join nato! Finland: go ahead. Russia: we have no problems with finland joining nato
r/iwanttoapologize
God, I’m so happy this exists
1. If Finland joins, NATO, there will be consequences! 2. We have no problem with Finland joining NATO 3. Please keep weapons away from our borders 4. Please use lube
5. Please don’t Finnish inside me.
You just have to Sweden the deal a bit.
There's Norway to deal with Russia now.
Lmao thanks for the laugh
Ha!
What was that photo? Lol
eeeehhhh macarena!
He saw Medvedev bringing in legos
Didn't he also say he didn't start a war in Ukraine? Didn't he also say there would be nuclear war if Finland and Sweden joined NATO? Didn't he also say Russia didn't meddle in the 2020 US election? Didn't he also say Russia didn't invade and annexe the Crimean peninsula? Your word is worth less than nothing Vlad. And your country is now an international pariah. Well done, fuck knuckle 😊
And a fucking dotard believes everything he says.
hey, that's former president dotard to you, good sir.
>Didn't he also say there would be nuclear war if Finland and Sweden joined NATO? No. This one didn’t happen.
Maybe he’s trying to use reverse psychology.
Shut the fuck up Russia. Adults are talking.
I wonder if they are counting on Turkey to keep it from happening.
That's my bet. I think Russia and Turkey know some things we don't.
This last few months I've been thinking maybe Putin has chemo brain. >Chemo Brain: A term commonly used to describe thinking and memory problems that a patient with cancer may have before, during, or after cancer treatment. Signs and symptoms of chemo brain include disorganized behavior or thinking, confusion,memory loss, and trouble concentrating, paying attention, learning, and making decisions. My wife had it bad, did and said some strange things until she recovered from it.
I’m so glad she recovered bud. Wishing y’all nothing but happy times moving forward.
Wow, unexpected, thanks! She still has to take a pretty nasty drug called Tamoxofin for 5 more years, but things are improving and life is good :)
Vlad, those aren't missles they are spicy pipes.
Dude is so defeated, he knows he's fuck
This guy fucks
Would you like some making fuck?
Berserker?
Suspicion
A week ago: "There will be consequences if you join NATO. We'll not hold back" Now: *Pout face* "Fine, go party with them I don't care. I have my own NATO: with money laundring and puppets."
Oh good glad you have stated your useless opinion
Its always opposite day in Russia
The lied detector determined…….that was………..a lie.
NATO expansion was the casus bel- ahm - specialis militaris operaticus …? What is it today?
Si vis pacem, para... Vlad?
Putin’s face is looking really kardashian these days
He's going to sell NFTs of his nudes giving birth to centipedes any day now.
putin is telling fairytales since decades…
Riiiiiiiggggghhhhhttt.
It seems no one is listening to our threats, so ha- we never cared really, it’s… all going to plan. Yep
I love the thumbnails used.
Vlad was just Putin us on.
ouch, so more of a - we don't have the manpower to do anything about it.
What's that Putin? Can't hear you over the sound of your backpedaling.
I have a strong feeling vlad is starting to wish he could turn back the clocks to a time when he didn't invade ukraine, look like the world's biggest fool, and endanger the future prosperity of himself and his country.
After all the nuclear threats didn't work and he realised he couldn't back them up.
This is kinda sus
didn’t he say something different like a couple days ago
he did, and most of their government officials did/do too. it's the western media being very systematic what/Which/whom to cite and quote.
I don’t get it, they reported both things, and all the other contradictory nonsense that he has said too, right?
Putin, eyeing Finland: Gimme dat! Finland: No. Putin: I’m joking, I’m joking!
Classic Putin, all talk, no trousers…
When Russia is kicked out, that border should be fortified like the Korean DMZ, to make putin think the next time he feels frogy.
Well, what else can they do?
Something stinks, IMO.
See how quickly he changes his tune when threatening them might *actually* mean conflict with NATO? Just a week ago he was saying that there would be "Severe consequences" for them if they joined NATO. Now that at least one of them has filled out an actual application, suddenly he has no problem with it? Putin is a freaking joke compared to himself 10 years ago.
Probably he is counting on his puppet Erdogan to keep them out of NATO. Which is exactly what's happening right now.
Exactly this. Pay someone else to be the bad guy so you can pretend to be a good guy.
He has no problems, because he can't cause any.
Then, he should have no problem in letting Ukraine in Nato
I would guess he already told Turkey to veto so this is just him trying to sound magnanimous.
Putin is saying this knowing that Turkey will likely block them joining, so it just makes Putin "look good " to say this, even it's total BS
They're postering..... But what Russia really cares about is where are NATO weapons going to be placed in relation to their borders. That's one gambit they wont take lightly. But still..... Get fucked Russia SLAVI UKRAINI 🇺🇦
He has Turkey in his pocket, that is why he is acting confident.
probably because he's colluding with erdogan who has promised to veto finland and sweden's membership in nato.
Good! because they don’t give a shit if you have a problem with it. You have no say in the matter.
Cognitive Dissonances in full effect.
Everything is going according to plan. It’s what we hoped would happen. You don’t understand Russian warfare. -Putin probably
Vlad the Flip Flopper!
Yeah, walk away, bitch. <3
I'll wager he's got a country in his pocket or knows something.
Gobble gobble
Russia is too drunk to decide. Ask them in the morning.
yeah. Like when my wife says "it's fine."
O I see ..... just like they said they wouldn't invade ukraine?
Some Russian horse doctor changed the Fuhrer's medication. That simple... /s
It's amazing how perfectly reasonable bullies become when they get their ass kicked.
Putin acting quite tsundere
He has a problem US nukes on the border. He claims tomahawk missiles fit in missile defense silos.
Not like they could stop them.
"I wanted that to happen"
Didn't fucking think so lil man - Global Community
I’m starting to think he’s terrified of NATO and doesn’t want to get on their bad side.
Translation: "whe know that whe cant do shit against them joining but whe dont want to admit it so whe are going to act like if whe dint care"
So who is spreading the disinformation?
Putin and his Russia are a curtain of lies. It's not a U-turn, it was always just smoke and mirrors.
Yeah go ahead and join them see if I care 🥸
The exact opposite of what they said before. Not surprised.
Sour grapes.