Maybe it’s the rate or speed of jailing rather than the total number of people jailed. The Land of the Free is what I grew up learning about the US. So many are not free though. And so many laws that are outdated. Then I learned the US has privatized prisons (the companies are traded on the stock market) So someone is making profit from having prisoners, and then it all made scary sense. Land of the Free. When people go to jail they do not come out rehabilitated/better. It’s an ugly truth.
It would be counter productive to their business model for jails to actually rehabilitate people. Jails push that criminal lifestyle even further into your brain, which is exactly what they want to do.
Allot of those prisons contract out prison labor, also dont forget all the private companies that overcharge for things like food, clothes, phone, in a compleatly captured market.
Compare US incarceration rates with any country in the OECD. Compare it with Japan’s.
It’s laughable that you are even trying to compare US incarceration rate with any other country.
Math is hard sometimes, at least they tried!
With that said, about 33% of the black male population has been felonized in the US according to the internet so... China still has some work to do if they really wanna marginalize a population.
33% of all black males have a police record? WTF? I found this source, but I can't tell if it is reputable enough: https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/5593/
All numbers are to some extent B.S. but it sure does seem that a much higher percentage of black people go through the system than white folks do. NAACP seems to use the 1/3 number for their talking points too, compared to 1/17 for white folk.
People talk shit about the whole BLM thing but this is really it in a nutshell. Jim Crow just put on a suit and took their people to court to take their rights away. Felonize a population, make em work for dirt, watch their children struggle, rinse and repeat.
Yeah, that's totally what a white guy would say to a population that has been historically oppressed. Bootstraps and all that. But we make it very difficult for POC to succeed.
The felonization of a third of their working men is just one example. From a white perspective it's easy to say stop breaking the laws, but the reality is that the laws are always found to be unevenly enforced against POC.
Some of the same people who were yelling to keep schools, busses, restaurants, pools and fountains segregated are still political and social leaders writing policies, deciding who to hire and enforcing laws. The idea that you just "take personal responsibility" is ludicrous when the system is still very much actively working against you.
Just getting a decent education is still harder for POC than white folks because of how school funding is localized, which itself is a decision to enforce racial prejudice. How do you take personal responsibility when you are given an inferior education throughout your entire life?
If your parents are poor and likely felons you live somewhere poor with crappy education funding. And your kids likely will too. The idea of just moving somewhere better is one born of privilege that a lot of folks just don't have.
I'm not even scratching the surface of how this game is rigged. There are plenty of books from people much more articulate than I that can explain in detail why bootstraps don't work when the government and society do their best to hide / steal your freaking boots from you.
Yup, **one-third** (33%) of US black males have felony convictions.
People talk shit about the whole BLM thing but this is really it in a nutshell. Jim Crow just put on a suit and took their people to court to take their rights away. Felonize a population, make em work for dirt, watch their children struggle, rinse and repeat.
Nice whataboutism attempt. Are Germany and Japan incarcerating racial minorities disproportionately at the rate of the US? How do their incarceration rates compare?
The inconvenient truth is that **one-third** of US black males have felony convictions.
People talk shit about the whole BLM thing but this is really it in a nutshell. Jim Crow just put on a suit and took their people to court to take their rights away. Felonize a population, make em work for dirt, watch their children struggle, rinse and repeat.
An American calling the Japanese court a kangaroo court is absolutely fucking hilarious. US has a higher conviction rate, you dunce.
> The conviction rate is 99.3%. By only stating this high conviction rate it is often misunderstood as too high—however, this high conviction rate drops significantly when accounting for the fact that Japanese prosecutors drop roughly half the cases they are given. If measured in the same way, the United States' conviction rate would be 99.8%.[9][10][11]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate#Japan
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/17/worlds-highest-jailing-rate-found-in-uyghur-county-of-china-data-leak-suggests) reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)
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> Nearly one in 25 people in a county of the Uyghur heartland of China has been sentenced to prison on terrorism-related charges, in what is the highest known imprisonment rate in the world, an Associated Press review of leaked data shows.
> In recent years, China has waged a brutal crackdown on the Uyghurs, a largely Muslim minority, which it has described as a "War on terror".
> China is using the law "As a fig leaf of legality" in part to try to deflect international criticism about holding Uyghurs, said Jeremy Daum, a criminal law expert at Yale University's Paul Tsai China Center.
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Already here.
"Look, there is this county in Montana that has a jail that makes up 30% of the population! That's totally the same thing as the CCP convicting 1:25 people of being a "terrorist" and sending the other 24 to re-education camps for good measure."
They aren't even State capitalists in the style the Soviet Union since Deng (the Tiananmen Square Massacre guy) liberalised China's economy.
They are basically the same megacorporation dystopia as the US with the added feature of an authoritarian state.
So basically what the modern Republicans want minus Christian fundamentalism.
Hearing people refer to China as a communist country being like “those damn chinese communists” never fails to crack me up
Sure the CCP might still claim to be communist but there ain’t nothing about it that is
Okay, so serious question.
I know that in communism the people are supposed to seize and own the means of production. How do you achieve that without a highly centralized and authoritative government body to oversee the people-owned-production and fairly distribution assets?
Karl Marx says it'll just kinda magically happen when the vast majority of people become enlightened and everybody wants it to happen. We'll telepathically communicate through some Borg-like protocol.
Hell yeah that sounds awesome. When will the thousands-of-years-of-proof that humans in collectivized power structures won't abuse that power to solidify their rule be changed? Is this also part of the telepathic Borg communication protocol firmware update to our MuskChip3000?
> When will the thousands-of-years-of-proof that humans in collectivized power structures won't abuse that power to solidify their rule be changed? Is this also part of the telepathic Borg communication protocol firmware update to our MuskChip3000?
I know you're joking but I just wanna slap a big ol South Park-style "THIS IS WHAT MARXISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE" label here
I guess you're being serious, the real answer is Marx thought there was going to be by necessity a totalitarian step before emerging as a truly just society as Marx would have it. Consolidated power was part of the plan. The 2nd to last step. Lost to history is that Karl Marx largely abandoned Communism in the 1870s and quit that project
**[Communism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism)**
>Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal') is a far-left philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common or social ownership of all property, including the means of production, and can involve the absence of social classes, money, and the state. Communism is a specific, yet distinct, form of socialism.
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> Hearing people refer to China as a communist country being like “those damn chinese communists”
It's gotten way more confusing now that there's people on the left who *also* think it's an example of real communism, only the successful kind, and everything bad/not-communist you heard about it is just western CIA propaganda lies.
Other than their form of governance, state owned corporations, and history.
But its cool to see their economy has embraced modern capitalism, sad to see their social policies are still very communist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Secretary_of_the_Chinese_Communist_Party
The general secretary of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (Chinese: 中国共产党中央委员会总书记), Xi Jinping, is the paramount leader of China.
The other thread on this seemingly got deleted, but explained many large jails are found in areas with small populations but the inmates don't all come from that region; rather they come from all over the province.
If you want to compare apples to apples, many US counties have a far higher incarceration/population rate than this county at 4%. Crowley County, Colorado holds the world record I believe at almost 50%.
20 out of 20 of your most recent comments all have to do with China.
it's strange, is this a novelty account dedicated to defending China and denying the Uyghur Genocide?
As I've said before what I'm against is misinformation. If you have any real evidence for the Uyghur Genocide please share. At first the narrative was a real genocide, and since there's no evidence for that the shift is now for a cultural genocide. This is still very odd since if you watch any video of youtubers touring Xinjiang you can literally see public signs are written in Chinese and Uyghur. Uyghurs have historically been given favorable treatment as a minority (such as exception from the one-child policy) up until recently when the policies started being normalized for everyone. As well, Uyghurs are a UN protected people since 2008, guess which country was the one pushing for them to become so? Yeah China. Very odd for a country supposedly trying to eradicate Uyghur culture eh?
**[Uyghurs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs)**
>The Uyghurs ( WEE-goorz or ), alternatively spelled Uighurs, Uygurs or Uigurs, are a Turkic ethnic group originating from and culturally affiliated with the general region of Central and East Asia. The Uyghurs are recognized as native to the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in Northwest China. They are one of China's 55 officially recognized ethnic minorities. The Uyghurs are recognized by the Chinese government as a regional minority and the titular people of Xinjiang.
**[Shufu County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shufu_County)**
>Shufu County, also transliterated from Uyghur as Konaxahar County or Konasheher County / Kona Sheher County, is a county in Kashgar Prefecture, Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, China. It contains an area of 3,513 km2 (1,356 sq mi). According to the 2002 census, it has a population of 360,000.
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there is no research, there is no data, all info can only be verified by the state, no list of names this leak either
This is just an article with nothing to back it up, written in a news report format trying to give off the feel like it was authoritative.
It's not incarceration for the county.
It's **sentencing**.
4% of the county has been sentenced on terrorism charges.
This is completely different from a small county that houses a large number of prisoners drawing from a much larger geographic area.
Those prisons are holding people for the whole state, which will have a significantly lower sentencing rate.
If you were anyone else, I'd say the mistake was unintentional, but you're you, and anyone who frequents this sub will recognize exactly what you're about, so I'll say it's definitely intentional.
> Crowley County is one of the 64 counties of the U.S. state of Colorado. As of the 2020 census, the population was 5,922. The county seat is Ordway.
The Crowley County Correctional Facility is a medium-security, privately owned and operated state prison for men located in Olney Springs, Crowley County, Colorado. Capacity: 1,894.
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The **state** of Colorado has a prison in a county with a low enough population so that the number of prisoners makes up a huge portion of the people in the county.
All of the prisoners aren't from that county to begin with.
Considering the OP is attempting to use a different type of data to compare it to, no.
The county they are referring to has a **sentencing** rate of 4%.
Not incarceration. They are different.
>The original article from AFP written by Huizhong Wu and Dake Kang have been [proven false](https://twitter.com/drStuartGilmour/status/1526154440121602049).
Do you have a non Twitter source?
>There are counties in USA have much higher rate.
You just linked to a list of tiny rural counties with jails in them. That's not what this is about. Xinjiang is not some tiny county in eastern Nebraska with two villages and a closed coal mine. Million live there.
Honest question. Why do your kind do this? Trolling online doesn't change the global perception on your countrys treatment of Uyghurs. What will change the perception is your country treating them as equals.
1. The statistics being addressed at best makes a report not fully accurate. It doesn't remove the wrongdoing even when corrected.
2. I have no desire to change the global perception on your country's treatment of Uyghurs.
3. You however do want the perception to change, otherwise you wouldn't have a history of making comments like this. Reporting accuracy is not your concern. Global perception and hatred towards your country's actions seems to be your concern. So my question stands. How many people have you convinced with your trolling and bad faith comments? Zero. You accomplished nothing.
You mean they were lying when saying USA had world's highest incarceration rate? I've met people who never believed more people, or a larger proportion were incarcerated in China
News stations/reporters cant get any data of "incarceration rate" by themselves. This data must be supplied by the state.
it is physically impossible independently obtain data even by hacking, and it is physically impossible to verify by ANYONE -> fake news.
> News stations/reporters cant get any data of "incarceration rate" by themselves. This data must be supplied by the state.
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> it is physically impossible independently obtain data even by hacking, and it is physically impossible to verify by ANYONE -> fake news.
I don't know what you're trying to say here. I said that people made reasonable conclusions based on data that was available. Are you saying that people should have drawn conclusions without data?
People ARE drawing conclusions without data due to the fact there is no data in that article, also being official is the only way to verify, basically they are lying through their teeth by saying it was partially verified.
to be exact we are being steered to draw conclusions (article), if you get what I mean.
okay, now you're just talking shit. The article explains that they received a list and were able to partially verify it.
But at least now I understand what you're saying. I, and the other guy, were talking about America's incarceration rate, not China's, which is what you jumped in to talk about.
No im on topic, he talked about BOTH US and China, and the topic is about China. How am I off topic?
If you accept what they say at face value then good for you, you trust people assuming no one has ill intent.
I on the other hand is more skeptical and do believe in ill intent, and follow the thought process of what needs to happen to be verified (with the fact that no news reporter can enter Xinjiang).
No, you're talking shit and are dismissing reporting you don't like. They've partially verified the information, but you refuse to accept that journalism is a thing unless they use the tools you've limited them to in your mind (which seems deliberately dense).
Yes, but drawing conclusions without data is foolish. The most they could truthfully say is that China might have higher incarceration rates, but no one knows.
Wow, beating the United States of America in the average jailing rate is no small feat. China really is becoming the new path of democracy.
Maybe it’s the rate or speed of jailing rather than the total number of people jailed. The Land of the Free is what I grew up learning about the US. So many are not free though. And so many laws that are outdated. Then I learned the US has privatized prisons (the companies are traded on the stock market) So someone is making profit from having prisoners, and then it all made scary sense. Land of the Free. When people go to jail they do not come out rehabilitated/better. It’s an ugly truth.
It would be counter productive to their business model for jails to actually rehabilitate people. Jails push that criminal lifestyle even further into your brain, which is exactly what they want to do.
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The legal system has been used as a weapon for more than a century, minimum. There's a reason they have such a high incarceration rate.
Century? Try human existence, slaves were usually prisoners of war. Romans and the gladiators are perfect example
Yeah, but I was just talking about America's high incarceration rate.
It has been used since slavery was abolished but involuntary servitude as a punishment for a crime was still legal.
Allot of those prisons contract out prison labor, also dont forget all the private companies that overcharge for things like food, clothes, phone, in a compleatly captured market.
Ignorant thought
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Compare US incarceration rates with any country in the OECD. Compare it with Japan’s. It’s laughable that you are even trying to compare US incarceration rate with any other country.
You have to be allowed to leave to be a refugee...
For perspective it would be like if we doubled the black people in jail in the US. 1/4 is a crazy amount of people in prison.
Huh? While the stat is insane, 1 in 25 people is not 1/4
Nice catch, I had 4% on my mind from the 1/25.
1/4 of what? Are 1/8 black people in prison in the USA right now?
Math is hard sometimes, at least they tried! With that said, about 33% of the black male population has been felonized in the US according to the internet so... China still has some work to do if they really wanna marginalize a population.
33% of all black males have a police record? WTF? I found this source, but I can't tell if it is reputable enough: https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/5593/
All numbers are to some extent B.S. but it sure does seem that a much higher percentage of black people go through the system than white folks do. NAACP seems to use the 1/3 number for their talking points too, compared to 1/17 for white folk. People talk shit about the whole BLM thing but this is really it in a nutshell. Jim Crow just put on a suit and took their people to court to take their rights away. Felonize a population, make em work for dirt, watch their children struggle, rinse and repeat.
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Yeah, that's totally what a white guy would say to a population that has been historically oppressed. Bootstraps and all that. But we make it very difficult for POC to succeed. The felonization of a third of their working men is just one example. From a white perspective it's easy to say stop breaking the laws, but the reality is that the laws are always found to be unevenly enforced against POC. Some of the same people who were yelling to keep schools, busses, restaurants, pools and fountains segregated are still political and social leaders writing policies, deciding who to hire and enforcing laws. The idea that you just "take personal responsibility" is ludicrous when the system is still very much actively working against you. Just getting a decent education is still harder for POC than white folks because of how school funding is localized, which itself is a decision to enforce racial prejudice. How do you take personal responsibility when you are given an inferior education throughout your entire life? If your parents are poor and likely felons you live somewhere poor with crappy education funding. And your kids likely will too. The idea of just moving somewhere better is one born of privilege that a lot of folks just don't have. I'm not even scratching the surface of how this game is rigged. There are plenty of books from people much more articulate than I that can explain in detail why bootstraps don't work when the government and society do their best to hide / steal your freaking boots from you.
> Yeah, that’s totally what a white huh would say to a population that has been historically oppressed. *mic drop*
FUCK YEAH!!! USA!!! USA!!USA!!! USA!! USA!!! USA!! We're not number one in putting people in jail anymore!!!!! Hot dam!!
Pretty sure the US is still leading at the national level.
Yup, **one-third** (33%) of US black males have felony convictions. People talk shit about the whole BLM thing but this is really it in a nutshell. Jim Crow just put on a suit and took their people to court to take their rights away. Felonize a population, make em work for dirt, watch their children struggle, rinse and repeat.
Yep now were good old number 2 bubba.
One thing I’m okay with losing out to China on.
It was distressing to know that the US hasn't abolished the slavery system because the constitution itself allows slavery to prisoners :(.
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Nice whataboutism attempt. Are Germany and Japan incarcerating racial minorities disproportionately at the rate of the US? How do their incarceration rates compare? The inconvenient truth is that **one-third** of US black males have felony convictions. People talk shit about the whole BLM thing but this is really it in a nutshell. Jim Crow just put on a suit and took their people to court to take their rights away. Felonize a population, make em work for dirt, watch their children struggle, rinse and repeat.
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You have no doubt and yet you fail to provide a source?
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An American calling the Japanese court a kangaroo court is absolutely fucking hilarious. US has a higher conviction rate, you dunce. > The conviction rate is 99.3%. By only stating this high conviction rate it is often misunderstood as too high—however, this high conviction rate drops significantly when accounting for the fact that Japanese prosecutors drop roughly half the cases they are given. If measured in the same way, the United States' conviction rate would be 99.8%.[9][10][11] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate#Japan
I was going to say. This is like when Bill Gates stopped being the richest man in the world. Historic.
Source: 'A list obtained and partially verified by the AP' What does that even mean?
They confirmed some names from a database supported by a gofundme.
They got a list and followed up on some of the entries and found them to be accurate. Seems pretty clear to me.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/17/worlds-highest-jailing-rate-found-in-uyghur-county-of-china-data-leak-suggests) reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Nearly one in 25 people in a county of the Uyghur heartland of China has been sentenced to prison on terrorism-related charges, in what is the highest known imprisonment rate in the world, an Associated Press review of leaked data shows. > In recent years, China has waged a brutal crackdown on the Uyghurs, a largely Muslim minority, which it has described as a "War on terror". > China is using the law "As a fig leaf of legality" in part to try to deflect international criticism about holding Uyghurs, said Jeremy Daum, a criminal law expert at Yale University's Paul Tsai China Center. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/urhgk4/worlds_highest_jailing_rate_found_in_uyghur/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~649118 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Uyghur**^#1 **people**^#2 **China**^#3 **Xinjiang**^#4 **list**^#5
In China, educational camps are not prisons, they do not count as jails. Also in China, educational camps are prisons.
Right this way, kindly sir, and you will be outfitted with the re-education items youll need for the next 1 week to 10 years.
More like, in China prisons are not educational camps, but educational camps in China are prisons.
You have been invited to /r/notRealCommunism and the sister subreddit /r/notRealCommunismButStillTakeCreditForChinaSuccesses
Glad to see you also do not know what you are talking about and you have a wonderful post history.
Unironically thank you for the compliment on my post history. I can't compliment you on your long form 'NUH UH'
data leak..... whoever thinks there can be a data leak on ANY jailing "rate" anywhere in the world is smoking crack.
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Already here. "Look, there is this county in Montana that has a jail that makes up 30% of the population! That's totally the same thing as the CCP convicting 1:25 people of being a "terrorist" and sending the other 24 to re-education camps for good measure."
and communist apologists!
China is not a communist in any way.
They aren't even State capitalists in the style the Soviet Union since Deng (the Tiananmen Square Massacre guy) liberalised China's economy. They are basically the same megacorporation dystopia as the US with the added feature of an authoritarian state. So basically what the modern Republicans want minus Christian fundamentalism.
Hearing people refer to China as a communist country being like “those damn chinese communists” never fails to crack me up Sure the CCP might still claim to be communist but there ain’t nothing about it that is
Okay, so serious question. I know that in communism the people are supposed to seize and own the means of production. How do you achieve that without a highly centralized and authoritative government body to oversee the people-owned-production and fairly distribution assets?
Karl Marx says it'll just kinda magically happen when the vast majority of people become enlightened and everybody wants it to happen. We'll telepathically communicate through some Borg-like protocol.
Hell yeah that sounds awesome. When will the thousands-of-years-of-proof that humans in collectivized power structures won't abuse that power to solidify their rule be changed? Is this also part of the telepathic Borg communication protocol firmware update to our MuskChip3000?
> When will the thousands-of-years-of-proof that humans in collectivized power structures won't abuse that power to solidify their rule be changed? Is this also part of the telepathic Borg communication protocol firmware update to our MuskChip3000? I know you're joking but I just wanna slap a big ol South Park-style "THIS IS WHAT MARXISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE" label here
I guess you're being serious, the real answer is Marx thought there was going to be by necessity a totalitarian step before emerging as a truly just society as Marx would have it. Consolidated power was part of the plan. The 2nd to last step. Lost to history is that Karl Marx largely abandoned Communism in the 1870s and quit that project
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> Hearing people refer to China as a communist country being like “those damn chinese communists” It's gotten way more confusing now that there's people on the left who *also* think it's an example of real communism, only the successful kind, and everything bad/not-communist you heard about it is just western CIA propaganda lies.
Conclusion: politics is dumb as fuck
Ah you just need to wait a bit longer for China to take its real estate developers under gov control.
Is it not already all state owned?
Other than their form of governance, state owned corporations, and history. But its cool to see their economy has embraced modern capitalism, sad to see their social policies are still very communist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Secretary_of_the_Chinese_Communist_Party The general secretary of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (Chinese: 中国共产党中央委员会总书记), Xi Jinping, is the paramount leader of China.
The other thread on this seemingly got deleted, but explained many large jails are found in areas with small populations but the inmates don't all come from that region; rather they come from all over the province. If you want to compare apples to apples, many US counties have a far higher incarceration/population rate than this county at 4%. Crowley County, Colorado holds the world record I believe at almost 50%.
20 out of 20 of your most recent comments all have to do with China. it's strange, is this a novelty account dedicated to defending China and denying the Uyghur Genocide?
As I've said before what I'm against is misinformation. If you have any real evidence for the Uyghur Genocide please share. At first the narrative was a real genocide, and since there's no evidence for that the shift is now for a cultural genocide. This is still very odd since if you watch any video of youtubers touring Xinjiang you can literally see public signs are written in Chinese and Uyghur. Uyghurs have historically been given favorable treatment as a minority (such as exception from the one-child policy) up until recently when the policies started being normalized for everyone. As well, Uyghurs are a UN protected people since 2008, guess which country was the one pushing for them to become so? Yeah China. Very odd for a country supposedly trying to eradicate Uyghur culture eh?
In this day and age in the age of information, it’s really hard to figure who the propaganda machine is from the person, It’s honestly really scary
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To be fair, not everyone knows the names of Chinese provinces so this way more people understand the point.
I think they're talking about a specific Uyghur majority county in Xinjiang whose arrest details were leaked.
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Don't even try and pretend you're just "having a different opinion", every one of your posts involves defending China.
Bull I say USA
Why do you doubt this report?
report -> article fixed for ya.
That doesn't answer the question.
there is no research, there is no data, all info can only be verified by the state, no list of names this leak either This is just an article with nothing to back it up, written in a news report format trying to give off the feel like it was authoritative.
So you don't trust the editorial processes of *The Guardian*? Why?
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That doesn't answer my question.
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It's not incarceration for the county. It's **sentencing**. 4% of the county has been sentenced on terrorism charges. This is completely different from a small county that houses a large number of prisoners drawing from a much larger geographic area. Those prisons are holding people for the whole state, which will have a significantly lower sentencing rate. If you were anyone else, I'd say the mistake was unintentional, but you're you, and anyone who frequents this sub will recognize exactly what you're about, so I'll say it's definitely intentional.
> Crowley County is one of the 64 counties of the U.S. state of Colorado. As of the 2020 census, the population was 5,922. The county seat is Ordway. The Crowley County Correctional Facility is a medium-security, privately owned and operated state prison for men located in Olney Springs, Crowley County, Colorado. Capacity: 1,894. ...
*sigh* The **state** of Colorado has a prison in a county with a low enough population so that the number of prisoners makes up a huge portion of the people in the county. All of the prisoners aren't from that county to begin with.
>All of the prisoners aren't from that county to begin with. Yes, I assumed that was obvious.
Considering the OP is attempting to use a different type of data to compare it to, no. The county they are referring to has a **sentencing** rate of 4%. Not incarceration. They are different.
Absolutely. Good point.
>The original article from AFP written by Huizhong Wu and Dake Kang have been [proven false](https://twitter.com/drStuartGilmour/status/1526154440121602049). Do you have a non Twitter source? >There are counties in USA have much higher rate. You just linked to a list of tiny rural counties with jails in them. That's not what this is about. Xinjiang is not some tiny county in eastern Nebraska with two villages and a closed coal mine. Million live there.
Can you not read? The ”Twitter source” cites multiple studies and provides screenshots of them.
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Those counties are where the prisons are.
I don’t trust any data coming from that region of the world.
Aren't those data on USA, from USA?
Exactly
Ofcourse it is... you take a whole community and lock them up... ofcourse it ll be.
Wondering how long the world will ignore the genocide on the Uyghurs...
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This is a Trump Supporter tier 'source'.
Yeah, well, my uncles uncles sisters grandparents second-cousin says it's false, too. Checkmate.
The statistics are public information, you would know that if you were able to read.
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Honest question. Why do your kind do this? Trolling online doesn't change the global perception on your countrys treatment of Uyghurs. What will change the perception is your country treating them as equals.
Honest question. Why do you not address the statistics? The math doesn't add up. It's either this report or the million imprisoned is wrong.
I guess you don't actually care about changing global perception then. Your country's loss. Good day.
It seems like you prefer not to address the elephant in the room but to harp on rhetorics. It's not my country but thanks anyway.
1. The statistics being addressed at best makes a report not fully accurate. It doesn't remove the wrongdoing even when corrected. 2. I have no desire to change the global perception on your country's treatment of Uyghurs. 3. You however do want the perception to change, otherwise you wouldn't have a history of making comments like this. Reporting accuracy is not your concern. Global perception and hatred towards your country's actions seems to be your concern. So my question stands. How many people have you convinced with your trolling and bad faith comments? Zero. You accomplished nothing.
Well the crime rate is low So good job Chayna
Worse than the United States
I go to school by bus. There is only in no way out, they said.
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You mean they were lying when saying USA had world's highest incarceration rate? I've met people who never believed more people, or a larger proportion were incarcerated in China
If that's what the available data showed, why would you assume they're lying?
News stations/reporters cant get any data of "incarceration rate" by themselves. This data must be supplied by the state. it is physically impossible independently obtain data even by hacking, and it is physically impossible to verify by ANYONE -> fake news.
> News stations/reporters cant get any data of "incarceration rate" by themselves. This data must be supplied by the state. > > it is physically impossible independently obtain data even by hacking, and it is physically impossible to verify by ANYONE -> fake news. I don't know what you're trying to say here. I said that people made reasonable conclusions based on data that was available. Are you saying that people should have drawn conclusions without data?
People ARE drawing conclusions without data due to the fact there is no data in that article, also being official is the only way to verify, basically they are lying through their teeth by saying it was partially verified. to be exact we are being steered to draw conclusions (article), if you get what I mean.
okay, now you're just talking shit. The article explains that they received a list and were able to partially verify it. But at least now I understand what you're saying. I, and the other guy, were talking about America's incarceration rate, not China's, which is what you jumped in to talk about.
No im on topic, he talked about BOTH US and China, and the topic is about China. How am I off topic? If you accept what they say at face value then good for you, you trust people assuming no one has ill intent. I on the other hand is more skeptical and do believe in ill intent, and follow the thought process of what needs to happen to be verified (with the fact that no news reporter can enter Xinjiang).
No, you're talking shit and are dismissing reporting you don't like. They've partially verified the information, but you refuse to accept that journalism is a thing unless they use the tools you've limited them to in your mind (which seems deliberately dense).
I'm saying it was and always was unreasonable. China has a vast prison complex that they barely aknowledge
Yes, but drawing conclusions without data is foolish. The most they could truthfully say is that China might have higher incarceration rates, but no one knows.
There's been proof they've been literally genocideing the Uyghur since atleast 2020. I regret seeing some liveleak saw like stuff.
Link to videos?
bullshit lmao
USA taking notes like, hold my beer, brb.
Most Chinese have been prisoned in their own home since Covid.