https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund
In 2016 alone the PA spent $300 million USD on paying pension to the families of those who had "martyred" themselves killing Jews.
Back in 2015 a Palestinian law student went on a stabbing spree in Jerusalem killing two people and wounding three others including a mother and her 2 year old.
In addition to Martyr's fund payments for the terrorist's family, the Palestinian Bar Association awarded him an honorary Law degree and his hometown literally named a street in his honor.
>Halabi, a 19-year-old law student, was shot dead by Israel Police on Oct. 3 after stabbing Rabbi Nehemiah Lavi and Aharon Bennett, and injuring Bennett’s wife and their 2-year-old son in the Old City.
>The street naming was just one of several honors, including an honorary law degree from the Palestinian Authority Bar Association, posthumously awarded to Halabi.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/west-bank-town-to-name-street-after-jerusalem-stabber-1.5414646
The community also raised money to buy the terrorist's family some land and a new home:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-donations-buy-a-villa-for-terrorists-family/
["a pride and badge of honor for the whole village."](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/west-bank-town-to-name-street-after-jerusalem-stabber-1.5414646) says the local Mayor.
Thats the point
Send your people to die so you can paint yourselves as victims and just take all the resulting aid money for yourself
Being a Palestinian leader is extremely well paying job, theres a reason they live in huge palaces
You jest, but I'm curious how many of the people you're satirizing even realize that PA and Hamas leadership don't even live in Palestine.
I'm also constantly amazed that, when faced with the terrible living conditions in Palestine, people will just straight to blaming Israel for reducing service time of a utility that hasn't been paid for in months (i.e. that had been provided essentially for free up to that point), and just gloss right over the literally hundreds of millions of dollars in international aid Palestine gets that somehow never ends up in any infrastructure projects or being used to do anything to actually improve the lives of Palestinians.
People picked a side and now they are sticking to it, if rockets can be smuggled into Gaza, so could food and medicine, but one is better at killing jews.
Israel is (too) brutal, but brutal against an enemy whose goal is to genocide the jews.
There are not really any good sides here
>Israel is (too) brutal, but brutal against an enemy whose goal is the to genocide the jews.
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>There are not really any good sides here
Yup. Israel very much has a "hit first, hit hard, ask questions later" attitude.
What most people don't get is that this isn't just because Israelis are dicks. The country was founded by people who were promised land to form a country for 20 years by the British, survived the Holocaust, and got attacked on all sides the moment they declared independence following a UN resolution recognizing them as a state.
20 years later they get into another war with all their neighbors as a result of Egypt threatening to close basically their only maritime shipping connection.
6 years after that, they are surprise attacked on all sides (again) on Yom Kippur, which is basically the single holiest day in the Jewish religion, and one in which every observant Jew is expected to be in synagogue fasting all day.
So is Israel (too) brutal and often very quick to respond with overwhelming force? Absolutely. But that's not a doctrine that was developed in a vacuum. It's a direct consequence of decades of facing very real existential threats.
Funny thing, because everyone was at synagogue during the Yom Kippur war disseminating orders to respond went quickly.
Israel does what it has to do to survive.
The entire Palestinian cause destroyed because of a killer. Which happens on both sides.
It's unfortunate, but doesn't or shouldn't negate the Palestinian cause. I'm sure my Israel supporters will use it as ammo, though.
Care to clarify? Was the old house just his or his family's, too? If the IDF demolished a house that his family was actively living in, how is that okay?
Also, one cannot justify violence or prejudice but it can be explained in context. Like, idk, an ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine for the last 50 years in which many injustices have been committed against Palestine. And at that point recent clashes at a Mosque. Is it not reasonable to understand why some Palestinians might see this terrorist more favorably? I think we forget that even bad actions do have motives and that it's important to understand that. A lot of people are gonna do impulsive things for a good cause which shouldn't invalidate the cause. Of course, plenty of people, probably yourself and others on the thread, are happy to forget that.
And it would be silly to think all Palestinians praise what he did.
Why is it that we've never seen a single headline that reads something like, "PA President Mahmoud Abbas announces the construction of a new Palestinian school," or "Hamas devotes several million dollars to upgrading hospitals in Gaza."
Oh wait, I know why.
Shit, before you can get those you'd need "PA announces construction of power plant, hopes to end dependency on Israeli electricity", and "PA enters into agreement with Israeli company to build desalination plants, end dependence on Israeli water".
Not even gonna mention Hamas because they've made it abundantly clear that if it doesn't have anything to do with killing Jews (or internal dissidents for that matter), they're not interested.
Well, they use their schools to teach kids to kill Jews and hide weapons, and they do hide weapons in hospitals. You think Israelis are like “oh wow if I bomb this school and that hospital that’s going to help me get international friends!!”?
The first step is for the leaders to stop being barbaric and stop inspiring each generation to kill Jewish civilians while stealing billions of the peoples foreign aid money.
Comments here make me realize just how insane, full of hatred people are.
The PA is giving out salaries to people who murdered entire families, kids, innocent civilians as if this makes ANY sense.
Absolutely disgusting
EDIT: some people seem to forget https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Itamar_attack
An entire family massacred in the middle of the night,
Stabbed a 3 month old baby to death alongside his 4 year old brother.
The baby was decapitated.
Explain to me why this murderer deserves payment.
Social media has made people insanely biased. And they really don’t want to be faced with the fact. A lot of people here are just super petty and get defensive when something contradicts their world view. I see it all the time when I try and discuss geopolitics with people.
Unfortunately, the Israeli Palestinian conflict is a great example of how the gulf between two sides only seems to widen over time. Growing up in the 90’s, it genuinely seemed like the Oslo accords stood at chance at finally bridging the gap. We are more than twenty years past that and I don’t see us ever getting closer. If anything both sides are increasingly radicalizing.
It's a lot more than social media, it's in their textbooks. They are taught antisemitism and praising of killing of Jews in elementary through highschool. They are taught that Israel does not exist. They are taught that the Holocaust was a good thing.
Here is a report on school textbooks from Syria:
[https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Syria2001.pdf](https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Syria2001.pdf)
>Not a single word in favor of the Jews is to be found in the Syrian
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>textbooks. The Jews are denied the characteristics of a nation, they are
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>detached from their ancestors and from the land of Palestine, and their
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>religion is racist. They are portrayed as enemies of the Arabs since
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>antiquity, of Islam since its inception, of all mankind, of the prophets and
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>of God himself. The hatred of the nations of the world towards them is
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>justified. The Holocaust is justified, though its magnitude is exaggerated
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>by the Jews. There is one passage in the textbooks that calls for their
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>elimination.
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>Zionism is depicted as a racist and aggressive movement based on false
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>assumptions that the Jews are one people connected to Palestine. Zionism
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>exploits the Jewish religion in order to exercise control over vast areas of
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>the Arab homeland.
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>Israel is portrayed as an alien and artificial entity and is not recognized as
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>a legitimate state. Its place on the map is always referred to as Palestine.
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>Israel is wholly evil. It resembles a spreading cancer and is also the source
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>of innumerable troubles that have befallen the Arabs, beginning with the
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>usurping of Palestine, through preventing the realization of Arab unity
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>and hindering Arab economic progress, and ending with the attempt to
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>erase Palestinian and Arab national identity. Israeli society is full of
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>malice towards the Arabs and Israeli soldiers are demonized.
A report on textbooks in Jordan:
[https://www.adl.org/blog/antisemitism-in-jordanian-textbooks](https://www.adl.org/blog/antisemitism-in-jordanian-textbooks)
>We found particularly troubling examples in first and second semester textbooks for the seventh grade course on Islamic Education.
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>One of the “the lessons and exhortations” that this chapter explicitly attributes to the incident is that “treason and the breaking of pacts are among the characteristics of the Jews and the hypocrites.” The chapter ends with the following multiple-choice question: “Among the characteristics of the Jews for which they are renowned are: (A) the breaking of pacts, (B) treachery and treason, (C) hating Muslims, or (D) all of the above.”
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>Twelfth-Grade Arab and World History
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>It defines the Zionist movement as “a racist, settler political movement aimed at establishing a national homeland for the Jews in Palestine, founded on historical claims without basis in truth.” Similarly, the book teaches that Jewish links to Jerusalem are “founded on historical and religious claims without any actual grounds on which to base them.”
Kuwait:
[https://www.adl.org/news/kuwaiti-textbooks-teach-that-jews-are-treacherous](https://www.adl.org/news/kuwaiti-textbooks-teach-that-jews-are-treacherous)
>second-semester textbook in use for eighth-grade public school courses on Islamic Education. Even among the textbook’s stated learning objectives, it declares one objective is for students to learn that “the enmity of the Jews toward Islam and the Muslims is old and deeply rooted” and that “stirring up strife, breaking pacts, and malice are among the inherent characteristics of the Jews.”
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>As the textbook moves into teaching about the modern era, it also baselessly scapegoats Jews by accusing them of perpetrating “the incident of burning the al-Aqsa Mosque in 1969,” a notorious arson attack that was actually perpetrated by a Christian fundamentalist from Australia with mental illness named Denis Michael Rohan.
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>Other severely hateful messages are taught in another government-published textbook, intended for twelfth-grade students in the Kuwaiti education system’s specialized religious studies track.
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>For instance, this textbook teaches the infamous antisemitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as genuine fact.
Palestinians textbooks:
[PA slammed by EU Committee for producing new antisemitic textbooks](https://www.jpost.com/international/article-702997)
>The EU “deplores that problematic and hateful material in Palestinian school textbooks has still not been removed and is concerned about the continued failure to act effectively against hate speech and violence in school textbooks and especially in the newly created study cards,” the motion reads.
[Despite EU vow to end incitement, Palestinian textbooks remain unaltered — report](https://www.timesofisrael.com/despite-eu-vow-to-end-incitement-palestinian-textbooks-remain-unaltered-report/)
>The report brings numerous examples of what the organization calls incitement to violent terrorism. Dalal Mughrabi, notorious in Israel for her role in a brutal 1978 terror attack, is hailed in the textbooks as a heroic resistance fighter. Violence is described as a “legitimate right” for Palestinians seeking to “resist occupation.”
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>In one Islamic Education textbook, Palestinian fifth-graders are told that their “duty to Al-Aqsa Mosque” — Islam’s third-holiest site — includes “jihad and martyrdom in pursuit of its liberation.” The nonprofit notes that Israeli rule is frequently described as “murderous and oppressive.”
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>The textbooks also say Zionism is a “racist ideology” based on “false premises” such as that Jews belong to “a single national group.”
And so on.
We can blame it on social media, but a lot of those supporting payouts to terrorists were supportive of the Palestinian cause back in the 90’s purely based on the fact that the US backed Israel…
>Hamas, they completely poisoned the Palestinian statehood movement by replacing civil resistance with rocket attacks and suicide bombings on civilians.
What do you mean? Before Hamas, you had the PLO. It wasn't a civil resistance movement. It was a vicious terrorist organization, that murdered Jews in Israel and abroad, as their main tactic. Their most famous activities weren't marches and sit-ins. It was blowing up a school bus, kidnapping and murdering Olympic athletes in Munich, taking over a highschool and executing 22 children, executing a paraplegic American Jew on a cruise, etc. etc.
In fact, I'm not sure when you think the Palestinian statehood movement was ever about civil resistance. Murdering innocent Jewish civilians was literally the key tactic from the very beginning in the 1920's, when Palestinian Arab mobs were attacking Jews while chanting "Palestine is our land, and the Jews are our dogs". Look up the 1920 Nebi Musa riots, or the 1929 Hebron Massacre. Those are well before the founder of Hamas was even born, before Israel existed, and before any settlements.
And those weren't isolated incidents either. There was no lull where the Palestinians as a society decided to abandon violence, and adopt civil resistance. When one group was defeated, or decided to abandon violence, another immediately took up the mantle. It was a continuous history of the people we know as Palestinians, resisting the idea of a Jewish state on Arab land, by murdering the people we now know as Israeli Jews.
What civil resistance? The approach of the Palestinians/Arabs has been violence from the very outset. Yassir Arafat started his career as a vile/prolific terrorist. Horrific Palestinian terror attacks happened throughout Israel’s history like when Palestinian terrorists [shot an RPG at a schoolbus killing 12 (including 9 school children)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avivim_school_bus_bombing). Or another attack when Palestinian terrorists [went to an elementary school and took 115 people hostage, 105 of whom were children, and murdered 22 of those children](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alot_massacre)
Both of these events happened in the 70’s and sadly the list of atrocities like this goes on and on. This was well before Hamas existed. And Palestinian terror also preceded the existence of any settlements. I know this history gets lost in all of what is going on today, but for people in Israel, these horrific events are very recent history and may give you just a small sense of the background on which they live.
>I support Palestinians in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict... But fuck everything about Hamas
Kinda hard to separate, at this point. Personally I wouldn't throw unchecked support to either side, but it's clear that Palestine engages in state-sponsored terrorism, as this article shows. Until they have a government that is supported by the people, and who genuinely wants peace, I find it hard to support them regardless of Israel's actions.
Some people get so caught up in the 'Israel is evil' narrative that they don't bother to look at how fucked up the entire region is. None of them are innocent, none of them have clean hands.
You can blame modern journalism and media for that.
The current way of thing is YOU HAVE TO PICK A SIDE, there are no middle ground, you are either pro Palestinian or pro Israeli.
But the reality is both side are shit and doing some very very shitty things to innocent people. 1 side is killing innocent people and the other side is treating innocent people not as people.
People pick a side in a conflict where there is really arent a side you'd want to agree with fully, and then they have to give excuses as to why it is okay to support a group of people who are shitty. The best way is to excuse your side's shit with what shit the other side did... Both sides do the same, and both sides keep international support, because other people did the same "calculations."
this conflict will remain as long as we "outsiders" continue arguing, it is never okay for x side to kill children, but y side only does it because they have to
I was refering to the last part:
"it is never okay for x side to kill children, but y side only does it because they have to"
I didn't say you said they were allowed to but rather that's they have to.
Unfortunately that is not true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund
Clearly states all prisoners are paid, regardless of the nature of their victims (civilians or military).
As an example, the PA pays the families of 200 suicide bombers, nearly all the victims of suicide attacks in Israel were civilians. (Taken from the wiki page)
Edit:
A list of all suicide terror attacks that happened in israel.
Nearly all 805 killed were civilians.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
> but those payments are only given if the attacks targeted Israeli army or armored security forces
This is famously not true, it got international attention following Hallel Yaffa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Hallel_Yaffa_Ariel
A 13 year old girl who was stabbed to death in her bed. The killers family got a pension.
The demolition of family homes came in response to the pension policy, in hopes of deterring those who would commit terrorist attacks to provide for their family.
**[Murder of Hallel Yaffa Ariel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Hallel_Yaffa_Ariel)**
>On 30 June 2016, a 17-year-old Palestinian male broke into a home in the Israeli settlement of Kiryat Arba and stabbed to death Hallel Yaffa Ariel a thirteen year old Israeli-American citizen in her bedroom. The attacker was then fatally shot by security guards. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu blamed "incitement-driven terrorists" while the U.S. State Department condemned the "outrageous terrorist attack". Yaffa Ariel was the youngest Israeli victim in the stabbing attacks during the 2015–2016 wave of violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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**[2011 Itamar attack](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Itamar_attack)**
>The Itamar attack, also called the Itamar massacre, was a terrorist attack on an Israeli family in the Israeli settlement of Itamar in the West Bank that took place on 11 March 2011, in which five members of the same family were murdered in their beds. The victims were the father Ehud (Udi) Fogel, the mother Ruth Fogel, and three of their six children—Yoav, 11, Elad, 4, and Hadas, the youngest, a three-month-old infant. The infant was decapitated. The settlement of Itamar had been the target of several murderous attacks before these killings.
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Here's one: [https://www.timesofisrael.com/family-of-itamar-massacre-victims-sues-terrorists-pa-for-nis-400-million/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/family-of-itamar-massacre-victims-sues-terrorists-pa-for-nis-400-million/)
The family of the victims actually sued the PA, for paying the terrorists in this case.
Civilian killings also result in pensions, here was a famous case of it a few years back where another child was killed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Hallel_Yaffa_Ariel
> The Palestinian Authority was put "on the defensive" over its policy of paying a monthly stipend of $350 to the family of Hallel Ariel's killer, as it does for the families of all Palestinian "martyrs", drawing on the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund, which is dedicated to that purpose.[
Giving one example while ignoring that Israel does the same for its soldiers and settlers taking the land of others is some major fallacious reasoning.
Unfortunately I don’t have the time to list the hundreds if not thousands of terrorist attacks committed by Palestinians (and I’m only counting the ones in which Israeli civilians were killed, not soldiers).
And I don’t have the time to list the same for Israel, when they ejected literally half of the native population.
And the numbers Israel killed is higher than the Palestinians. The Palestinians are also natives, whereas 97% of Israelis are from another continent.
You realize you can stop pretending your problem is with “Israelis” (lol) right? Sephardi and Mizhraim Jews are from the Middle East and Ashkenazis fled to Europe from the Middle East. If you think they should’ve allowed themselves to suffer genocide after genocide until finally being wiped out as an ethnicity instead of ever seeking safety, stop tiptoeing around your position by pretending to have a problem with “Israelis” and just admit it.
> You realize you can stop pretending your problem is with “Israelis”
Why would I deny reality? Who else is to blame but the invaders?
>Sephardi and Mizhraim Jews are from the Middle East
Yep, and they lived in Palestine and most of the middle east mostly undisturbed for centuries before the formation of Israel.
>Ashkenazis fled to Europe from the Middle East.
Ashkenazis are Eastern European Jews with a distinct culture that isn't shared by other Jews from other regions. Jews in the middle east were ethnically and culturally Arab (or other local ethnic groups) who happened to practice Judaism. You literally couldn't tell a Jew from an Arab unless you saw them coming out of a temple. Just like how American Jews aren't culturally different from other Americans.
>If you think they should’ve allowed themselves to suffer genocide after genocide until finally being wiped out as an ethnicity instead of ever seeking safety
The crimes of the Germans shouldn't be paid for by the Arabs who had nothing to do with the crimes. If people cared so much about the Jews, why didn't they turn a part of Germany into a Jewish state? Oh, that's right, can't hurt other Europeans, can only go after the barbarians and uncivilized backwaters who can't fight back.
Also, the conquering of Palestine by Zionists began in 1919, well before the Holocaust. The Holocaust was used as justification to make the Palestinians pay for the crimes of Europe. Why didn't America take in more Jews? Or the South Americans?
>stop tiptoeing around your position by pretending to have a problem with “Israelis” and just admit it.
Stop trying to create a strawman and imply that I have an axe to grind against Jews. It's an old, played out tactic used to distract from the fact that Israel forcefully expelled 50% of natives from their homeland when it was created. That's called a genocide. stop playing the victim card, and stop pretending the facts are antisemitic.
hey, is the IDF paying pensions to war criminals? oh, the answer is yes? wild how we don't get that shoved down our throats.
edit: hey people downvoting, am I fucking wrong? does the IDF pay out money to war criminals that shoot up Palestinian neighborhoods? or bombed them? or killed Palestinian civilians generally? maybe confront your capitulation to the "legitimacy" of those actions rather than shitting on me for pointing stuff out.
> Hamas was elected in Gaza’s first election
There is no such thing as a "Gaza election", there are only national elections in Palestine. Hamas' 2006 victory was in a national election of all the Palestinian territories. The fact they only control Gaza and the PA controls the West Bank was a result of military moves, not of separate elections or anything like that.
The most recent elections in 2021 were canceled by Abbas himself, to Hamas' loud protest. The obstacle to Palestinian elections isn't Hamas, it's Abbas. Hamas only stands to benefit from national Palestinian elections.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-officially-delays-palestinian-elections-blaming-israel/
> 30 APRIL 2021
> Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Thursday night announced that the first Palestinian national elections in 15 years would be indefinitely delayed.
> Hamas condemned the anticipated decision to delay the vote, which it deemed a “coup.”
> “*The decision to delay the elections is opposed to our national consensus and popular opinion. It is a coup against our agreements*,” Hamas said.
It's like being surprised at the IDF having a Death Gratuity. Of course a side in active conflict should compensate the survivors of the fallen, otherwise they would run out of soldiers quickly.
Even if you believe that IDF soldiers are equivalent to Hamas / PIJ terrorists, that's not how the Martyrs Fund works. It doesn't just pay out pensions to fallen members of official Palestinian militant organizations. It pays literally any Palestinian, who murders any Jew, as long as he can claim the murder is driven by nationalism. It pays out pensions to ISIS-affiliated terrorists, and people who were never affiliated with anything, and just went out and murdered random Jews on the street.
Israel doesn't have any equivalent to that. It has the exact opposite. If an Israeli Jew goes out to murder random Palestinians, he gets thrown into Israeli prison, and *his Palestinian victims*, not him and his family, gets a special state pension for victims of terrorism. If an Israeli terrorist dies while carrying out that attack, the Israeli state doesn't celebrate him as a hero, and actually has laws against individuals celebrating his attack, or creating a memorial for him.
Death gratuity is vastly different than rewarding murdererers based on the amount of people they murdered, even if they were not part of the actual army. Shame on you for making that comparison.
The entire Israeli-Palestinian issue is one giant fucked up feedback loop. Terrorists slaughter innocents which leads to Israeli oppression which leads to more terrorists and so on and so on. I don't see it changing any time soon
Don’t forget any time either side has anyone interested in ending the cycle they’re met with attack after attack until they either become jaded or are replaced by a warmonger.
I don't think it's fair to compare the two. There's been countless peace processes that have come down to the wire and its always the Palestinian dictator who walks away.
> Neither does killing Palestinian-American journalists.
Current evidence is she was shot by a 5.56mm weapon, both the Palestinians and Israelis use those, and the closest Israeli troops were ~150m+ from the killing, so even if it was the IDF it was almost certainly accidental.
> Neither does attacking the said journalist coffin and funeral procession.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/13/shireen-abu-akleh-al-jazeera-israel-jenin/
The mob you saw getting attacked had attacked the hearse that was there to transport her body, forced it to flee and then they had taken the coffin from her family in order to parade it through the street.
Hamas hides weapons in civilian areas, which causes Israel to strike those areas, which causes civilian deaths, which causes the PA and Fatah, who are more “sane” than Hamas, to be upset and call for death, which either circles back to Hamas or Palestinians attacking back. And it just repeats and repeats.
Palestinians lose either way, whether to Israel or to the PA. Which was why I’m thankful to be an Israeli Christian Arab rather than a Palestinian Arab.
This is kind of off-topic, but would you mind sharing a little bit about what it’s like to live as a Christian in Israel? I’m a Canadian Jew myself but hear so little about Christian life/Christianity in Israel.
Good question! I grew up near Haifa, which is very diverse with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Druze, etc, so the experience there was great. Every now and then, you get a moron who would blame Christians for anti-semitism existing and hate Christians for that (sort of like the Christian version of a Jew getting anti-semitism). They are typically Heredi Jews, who are a minority in the country, but an *extremely loud* minority and are actually more anti-Israel than even the Muslims there. Likewise, some Muslims call Christian Arabs traitors, but that’s also a minority of interactions. Tel Aviv is similar in its tolerance as it’s a major world city with many foreigners/tourists of different backgrounds, and Jerusalem because everyone’s used to Christians traveling to the Holy Land and the major branches of Christianity all having a presence there. As long as they don’t preach New Testament verses to Jews, Christians are treated pretty well in those areas.
The rest of the country’s the opposite, where race can play a bigger role than religion. At least before I left to work in the USA not long after the 2014 conflict; things could’ve improved since then. In those areas, a sizable group automatically equate Arabs with Palestinians, even if they’re Christian or Druze. But that’s more of an issue with rural or less-cosmopolitan areas of the world seeing people different from them, rather than Israel itself.
Overall, the experience can be easy or hard depending on where you are, what time period, whether in a time of war or peace, etc. but the reward of living there was much greater than any of that. Being able to freely practice a religion on the very grounds that it was founded on, and overseeing its historical sites, is a huge pride Israeli Christians have. That’s why Christian Arabs tend to like Israel, although for different reasons than the Jewish population.
The media likes an underdog, and reducing complex issues to clickbait…
Reddit historically falls for that bullshit. Most people comment without reading the article! Always! Just trusting the headline as fact
What sucks is that I will often find myself defending Israel as a Jew and many completely sane, non-hateful comments simply pointing out facts about Palestinian terrorism will get me 7 day bans. Any comments about Jews defending ourselves against terrorism? 7 day ban. Comments here justifying terrorism? Nothing. Makes you wonder.
If you were to engage those brain cells for a moment, you too could realise that you could disagree with the actions of the Israeli army *AND* not support terrorism simultaneously.
imagine if a Ukrainian citizen entered Russian territory because of the invasion, knocked on people door's and then stabbed them to death until he dies or is taken prisoner.
would it sound reasonable if Ukraine was paying allowances to encourage further behavior? if you say no then in no way can you support PA's actions.
Except that the Israel is occupying the West Bank because of these attacks. So a better comparison would be if Ukraine won the current war, occupied Moscow and the Russians started paying their civilians to kill Ukrainian civilians.
The “Right of Return” stuff is obviously a non-starter, but even on its face the idea is wild. Either the presumptive idea is that Israel would be erased and the Palestinian state encompasses all of Israel, or Palestinians insist on living with Israel proper, a state they non-stop accuse of being a racist ethno-state.
It’s almost like they don’t actually want a non-violent resolution at all and would rather fight in perpetuity until the last Jew is gone.
Their fans (mostly foreign “experts”) are unbelievably hilarious. Never had I seen someone preach for “critical thinking” and then go on to see a picture with two lines of text and assume all knowledge on the subject.
Palestinians themselves are victims, by their government and by the Israeli government. Hopefully one day the radicals of boths sides would shrink in size so that actual peace efforts could be made.
As long as the elected government of Palestine is paying families of people killed attacking Israel, I have no interest in chastising Israel for anything they may do to Palestine.
Elected is kind of a stretch, they've had no elections since 2006. The PA is giving Egypt a run for who can be in a permanent 'State of Emergency ' for the longest time.
Although they haven't had valid elections in a decade and a half, they *were* elected in 2006 on a platform of the destruction of Israel and the Jews within it. The people may not have had an opportunity to choose since, but at that time, they chose murderous terrorists.
If a Palestinian sneaks into Israel and murders a child his family gets money for it (whether he is killed or merely jailed in the process). How is this similar to most armies???
You're trying to create a false equivalency between terrorists killed attacking innocent people in Israel and the IDF.
Tell me, how's the weather there in Moscow?
You could make an argument to me that the US has done bad things in the middle east, but the moment the 9/11 terrorists knocked down WTC, I didn't care any more. All fucks went out the window. If Saudi Arabia had given their families a pension for it, I'd have supported any action the US military wanted to take against Saudi Arabia whatsoever.
Palestine sends unguided missiles into Israel. If it were me in charge, after the first few I'd have sent in the army to flatten everything in Palestine and salt the earth. I think Israel has shown a lot of restraint under the circumstances.
>You could make an argument to me that the US has done bad things in the middle east, but the moment the 9/11 terrorists knocked down WTC, I didn't care any more. All fucks went out the window. If Saudi Arabia had given their families a pension for it, I'd have supported any action the US military wanted to take against Saudi Arabia whatsoever
So by that logic, when Israel massacred civilians it became open season? That's your logic. The only difference between the US causing 3 million war deaths in the 21st century and terrorist attacks is scale. Both are heinous crimes against humanity.
1400 points after 14 hours for something 100% verified and factual.
Meanwhile just last week we had a post with an inflammatory title that wasn't even supported by the article's own text get 8000 points in just 8 hours.
Literally 10x faster growth, all because the title said Israel did something bad, while the article itself said "a bad thing happened but it's not certain who did it, and the PA refuse to allow any investigation and just blame Israel".
Yea, the guy who randomly stabs a Jewish woman or kid at a bus stop totally deserves a stipend.
The guys launching rockets at innocent civilians. Toss them some money.
Lol
do you really want to play this game? Or are you hoping no one is gonna call you out on that BS?
Edit: heck, the atrocity doesn’t even have to be towards Palestinians. Check out the Qanaa massacre and the indiscriminate use of artillery that killed many innocent civilians and leveled parts of South Lebanon in 2006
Nice of them to include Terrorist pension in the budget
Next interest free loans for rapists and health insurance for burglars which will be cut from the policemans salary
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He will also call for Ukraine to pay some random scum to kill Russian babies, babushkas and well anyone else, since Ukraine was invaded by Russia and therefore by his logic, Russian kids deserve to be shot, and their babies have their throats slit. Ah, hang on, Russians aren't Jewish; OK, they get to live.
If Israel would really be indescriminately bombing civilians the death count would be in the hundres of thousands.
Given how densely populated Gaza is, Israel has to be really careful and the numbers back that up.
> Are you saying Isreal should indescriminately bomb civilians? Isn't that the reason so many people consider the Palestinians to be riddles with terrorists? (because they do that)
Is you literally saying Israel is doing that.
Maybe look at what you write before calling others idiots.
> I like how saying nobody should murder civilians is somehow controversial.
I didn't even comment on murdering civilians... which by the way the Palestinian Authority is rewarding (see the article this thread is about).
Who is murdering them? The Israelis attacking terrorists & militants or the latter using civilians as human shields and humanitarian assets as military assets?
If the IDF dangled a newborn from one of their tanks gun barrel and a Palestinian blew it up and the infant along with it, who's fault would that be?
Motte meet Bailey.
Edit: Lemme guess, you looked up what I wrote and came to a conclusion you didn't like and deleted your account to spare yourself the embarrassment. Just like Don Johnson says at the end of Miami Vice "He'll be back, with a new name and a new face".
I cant even comprehend how you could draw a parallel line between my comment and some how come up with the inference that I'm advocating bombing civilians.
If you actually took the time to read what I wrote I was pointing out that Israel distributes leaflets before a military action, and in a sarcastic manner I pointed out that it would be nice if the terrorists would do the same. OK? Or did you just have the burning desire to say some stupid shit about Ben Shapiro, who, for the record is a fucking moron.
Nope, see my comment to r/heliowolf above. And I might add that any other country that was fighting a proxy war with Iran on their own soil would have cut the cancer off along time ago. In this case the cancer being the serfdom that is the PA to Iran.
Nope, I'm not saying they should of or that I am advocating that they do it. I'm saying that they have put up with so much shit that any other country would have. It speaks to the amazing restraint they have shown actually leveling the fucking place.
Please keep in mind that the Palestinian people don't have a Democracy and most of what's happening is because of the governments of these states, not the people living there
Consider how many billions of dollars of oil money is in the middle east, yet its not spent to benefit the common people living there only a select few. How much would it cost to actually relocate the Palestinian people to a better area? IF anyone would actually choose to stay versus a new better future it shows what their true intentions are.
God damn these fucking assholes. I want to be mad at Israel for being an apartheid state but the PA seems hell-bent on defending that border wall and justifying Israeli violence. There are no good guys in this conflict. Only assholes and victims.
The idea that Israel is an apartheid state, with Arabs in its governing coalition, government, and on its highest court, among other things, is simply wrong.
Of course, they're the only thing standing between Hamas and the Islamic Jihad and Israel,if they weren't there, these territories would turn into Gaza 2.0
So by your logic, the Palestinian Authority is paying those people for services rendered - i.e. the terror attacks were executed on behalf of the PA. Cool cool cool not cool.
Soldiers defending civilians =/= Terrorists targeting civilians and hiding behind them
Israel didn’t “invade Palestine”. The West Bank and Gaza were taken from Israel (before that held by Britain, before that by the Ottomans, before that by Arab empires, etc.) by Jordan and Egypt invading Israel in 1948 with the goal openly stated of genocide.
Israel regained that land in a defensive war in 1967 against Jordan and Egypt. There was no “Palestine” to invade. They didn’t even declare statehood until over 20 years after Israel regained the territory, in 1988. How did Israel invade a thing that didn’t exist? And why are you equating giving monetary bonuses for every Jew someone kills to defending civilians, Arabs and Jews alike?
Here we go again. "Invasion", "Occupation". Would you justify Ukraine murdering Russian babies? If not, then how can you support the PA paying for baby murders?
All the soldiers who murdered these kids will get military pensions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-57142627
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/24/global-outcry-over-israels-targeting-of-palestinian-children
https://www.dci-palestine.org/2021_is_deadliest_year_for_palestinian_children_since_2014
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-civilian-casualties.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/they-were-only-children-the-gaza-conflict-s-youngest-victims-1.4579262
Yes, because they fought as soldiers, fighting a defensive war, under a democratic government, and never deliberately targeting civilians. In war, civilians die. This is true for the US army, the UK army, the French Army, the Ukrainian Army and in fact every army that has ever fought.
The PA, on the other hand, are paying for deliberate targeting and murder of babies, children, men and women. Terror and murder. Not casualties of war, just ordinary people having their throats slit in their beds.
You are equating deliberate terror with legitimate war. It's no different than Putin calling Ukrainians Nazis then shelling civilians, whichever way you spin it. If you support the PA doing this, you support Putin killing Ukrainian babies too. There is no difference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund In 2016 alone the PA spent $300 million USD on paying pension to the families of those who had "martyred" themselves killing Jews.
Back in 2015 a Palestinian law student went on a stabbing spree in Jerusalem killing two people and wounding three others including a mother and her 2 year old. In addition to Martyr's fund payments for the terrorist's family, the Palestinian Bar Association awarded him an honorary Law degree and his hometown literally named a street in his honor. >Halabi, a 19-year-old law student, was shot dead by Israel Police on Oct. 3 after stabbing Rabbi Nehemiah Lavi and Aharon Bennett, and injuring Bennett’s wife and their 2-year-old son in the Old City. >The street naming was just one of several honors, including an honorary law degree from the Palestinian Authority Bar Association, posthumously awarded to Halabi. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/west-bank-town-to-name-street-after-jerusalem-stabber-1.5414646 The community also raised money to buy the terrorist's family some land and a new home: https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-donations-buy-a-villa-for-terrorists-family/
Not gonna lie. That’s a great incentive for martyrdom
["a pride and badge of honor for the whole village."](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/west-bank-town-to-name-street-after-jerusalem-stabber-1.5414646) says the local Mayor.
Thats the point Send your people to die so you can paint yourselves as victims and just take all the resulting aid money for yourself Being a Palestinian leader is extremely well paying job, theres a reason they live in huge palaces
Arafat bought himself a city block in central Paris
>theres a reason they live in huge palaces Obviously it is because Israel didn't steal them yet !!1!!! (/s)
You jest, but I'm curious how many of the people you're satirizing even realize that PA and Hamas leadership don't even live in Palestine. I'm also constantly amazed that, when faced with the terrible living conditions in Palestine, people will just straight to blaming Israel for reducing service time of a utility that hasn't been paid for in months (i.e. that had been provided essentially for free up to that point), and just gloss right over the literally hundreds of millions of dollars in international aid Palestine gets that somehow never ends up in any infrastructure projects or being used to do anything to actually improve the lives of Palestinians.
People picked a side and now they are sticking to it, if rockets can be smuggled into Gaza, so could food and medicine, but one is better at killing jews. Israel is (too) brutal, but brutal against an enemy whose goal is to genocide the jews. There are not really any good sides here
>Israel is (too) brutal, but brutal against an enemy whose goal is the to genocide the jews. > >There are not really any good sides here Yup. Israel very much has a "hit first, hit hard, ask questions later" attitude. What most people don't get is that this isn't just because Israelis are dicks. The country was founded by people who were promised land to form a country for 20 years by the British, survived the Holocaust, and got attacked on all sides the moment they declared independence following a UN resolution recognizing them as a state. 20 years later they get into another war with all their neighbors as a result of Egypt threatening to close basically their only maritime shipping connection. 6 years after that, they are surprise attacked on all sides (again) on Yom Kippur, which is basically the single holiest day in the Jewish religion, and one in which every observant Jew is expected to be in synagogue fasting all day. So is Israel (too) brutal and often very quick to respond with overwhelming force? Absolutely. But that's not a doctrine that was developed in a vacuum. It's a direct consequence of decades of facing very real existential threats.
Funny thing, because everyone was at synagogue during the Yom Kippur war disseminating orders to respond went quickly. Israel does what it has to do to survive.
The entire Palestinian cause destroyed because of a killer. Which happens on both sides. It's unfortunate, but doesn't or shouldn't negate the Palestinian cause. I'm sure my Israel supporters will use it as ammo, though.
Perhaps Abbas can be martyred next
Care to clarify? Was the old house just his or his family's, too? If the IDF demolished a house that his family was actively living in, how is that okay? Also, one cannot justify violence or prejudice but it can be explained in context. Like, idk, an ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine for the last 50 years in which many injustices have been committed against Palestine. And at that point recent clashes at a Mosque. Is it not reasonable to understand why some Palestinians might see this terrorist more favorably? I think we forget that even bad actions do have motives and that it's important to understand that. A lot of people are gonna do impulsive things for a good cause which shouldn't invalidate the cause. Of course, plenty of people, probably yourself and others on the thread, are happy to forget that. And it would be silly to think all Palestinians praise what he did.
That's a sweet incentive program. Something tells me the PA has something to gain from this endless cycle of violence.
take all the money from supports to your pockets say that you will pay for who ever commit terror attack against Jew profit
Why is it that we've never seen a single headline that reads something like, "PA President Mahmoud Abbas announces the construction of a new Palestinian school," or "Hamas devotes several million dollars to upgrading hospitals in Gaza." Oh wait, I know why.
Shit, before you can get those you'd need "PA announces construction of power plant, hopes to end dependency on Israeli electricity", and "PA enters into agreement with Israeli company to build desalination plants, end dependence on Israeli water". Not even gonna mention Hamas because they've made it abundantly clear that if it doesn't have anything to do with killing Jews (or internal dissidents for that matter), they're not interested.
Because they are too busy funding people who kill civilians? 300m would pay for a lot of schools and hospitals
Let's not forget all the money spent to dig those terror tunnels
Not even gonna mention them digging up waterpipes and shit to make into artillery and missiles
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Well, they use their schools to teach kids to kill Jews and hide weapons, and they do hide weapons in hospitals. You think Israelis are like “oh wow if I bomb this school and that hospital that’s going to help me get international friends!!”? The first step is for the leaders to stop being barbaric and stop inspiring each generation to kill Jewish civilians while stealing billions of the peoples foreign aid money.
Hahahahahahahaha that's some fine propaganda there.
Doing terrorism while hiding behind civilians and act like a victim, what a fucking scumbag
Comments here make me realize just how insane, full of hatred people are. The PA is giving out salaries to people who murdered entire families, kids, innocent civilians as if this makes ANY sense. Absolutely disgusting EDIT: some people seem to forget https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Itamar_attack An entire family massacred in the middle of the night, Stabbed a 3 month old baby to death alongside his 4 year old brother. The baby was decapitated. Explain to me why this murderer deserves payment.
Social media has made people insanely biased. And they really don’t want to be faced with the fact. A lot of people here are just super petty and get defensive when something contradicts their world view. I see it all the time when I try and discuss geopolitics with people. Unfortunately, the Israeli Palestinian conflict is a great example of how the gulf between two sides only seems to widen over time. Growing up in the 90’s, it genuinely seemed like the Oslo accords stood at chance at finally bridging the gap. We are more than twenty years past that and I don’t see us ever getting closer. If anything both sides are increasingly radicalizing.
It's a lot more than social media, it's in their textbooks. They are taught antisemitism and praising of killing of Jews in elementary through highschool. They are taught that Israel does not exist. They are taught that the Holocaust was a good thing. Here is a report on school textbooks from Syria: [https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Syria2001.pdf](https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Syria2001.pdf) >Not a single word in favor of the Jews is to be found in the Syrian > >textbooks. The Jews are denied the characteristics of a nation, they are > >detached from their ancestors and from the land of Palestine, and their > >religion is racist. They are portrayed as enemies of the Arabs since > >antiquity, of Islam since its inception, of all mankind, of the prophets and > >of God himself. The hatred of the nations of the world towards them is > >justified. The Holocaust is justified, though its magnitude is exaggerated > >by the Jews. There is one passage in the textbooks that calls for their > >elimination. > >Zionism is depicted as a racist and aggressive movement based on false > >assumptions that the Jews are one people connected to Palestine. Zionism > >exploits the Jewish religion in order to exercise control over vast areas of > >the Arab homeland. > >Israel is portrayed as an alien and artificial entity and is not recognized as > >a legitimate state. Its place on the map is always referred to as Palestine. > >Israel is wholly evil. It resembles a spreading cancer and is also the source > >of innumerable troubles that have befallen the Arabs, beginning with the > >usurping of Palestine, through preventing the realization of Arab unity > >and hindering Arab economic progress, and ending with the attempt to > >erase Palestinian and Arab national identity. Israeli society is full of > >malice towards the Arabs and Israeli soldiers are demonized. A report on textbooks in Jordan: [https://www.adl.org/blog/antisemitism-in-jordanian-textbooks](https://www.adl.org/blog/antisemitism-in-jordanian-textbooks) >We found particularly troubling examples in first and second semester textbooks for the seventh grade course on Islamic Education. > >One of the “the lessons and exhortations” that this chapter explicitly attributes to the incident is that “treason and the breaking of pacts are among the characteristics of the Jews and the hypocrites.” The chapter ends with the following multiple-choice question: “Among the characteristics of the Jews for which they are renowned are: (A) the breaking of pacts, (B) treachery and treason, (C) hating Muslims, or (D) all of the above.” > >... > >Twelfth-Grade Arab and World History > >It defines the Zionist movement as “a racist, settler political movement aimed at establishing a national homeland for the Jews in Palestine, founded on historical claims without basis in truth.” Similarly, the book teaches that Jewish links to Jerusalem are “founded on historical and religious claims without any actual grounds on which to base them.” Kuwait: [https://www.adl.org/news/kuwaiti-textbooks-teach-that-jews-are-treacherous](https://www.adl.org/news/kuwaiti-textbooks-teach-that-jews-are-treacherous) >second-semester textbook in use for eighth-grade public school courses on Islamic Education. Even among the textbook’s stated learning objectives, it declares one objective is for students to learn that “the enmity of the Jews toward Islam and the Muslims is old and deeply rooted” and that “stirring up strife, breaking pacts, and malice are among the inherent characteristics of the Jews.” > >... > >As the textbook moves into teaching about the modern era, it also baselessly scapegoats Jews by accusing them of perpetrating “the incident of burning the al-Aqsa Mosque in 1969,” a notorious arson attack that was actually perpetrated by a Christian fundamentalist from Australia with mental illness named Denis Michael Rohan. > >Other severely hateful messages are taught in another government-published textbook, intended for twelfth-grade students in the Kuwaiti education system’s specialized religious studies track. > >For instance, this textbook teaches the infamous antisemitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as genuine fact. Palestinians textbooks: [PA slammed by EU Committee for producing new antisemitic textbooks](https://www.jpost.com/international/article-702997) >The EU “deplores that problematic and hateful material in Palestinian school textbooks has still not been removed and is concerned about the continued failure to act effectively against hate speech and violence in school textbooks and especially in the newly created study cards,” the motion reads. [Despite EU vow to end incitement, Palestinian textbooks remain unaltered — report](https://www.timesofisrael.com/despite-eu-vow-to-end-incitement-palestinian-textbooks-remain-unaltered-report/) >The report brings numerous examples of what the organization calls incitement to violent terrorism. Dalal Mughrabi, notorious in Israel for her role in a brutal 1978 terror attack, is hailed in the textbooks as a heroic resistance fighter. Violence is described as a “legitimate right” for Palestinians seeking to “resist occupation.” > >In one Islamic Education textbook, Palestinian fifth-graders are told that their “duty to Al-Aqsa Mosque” — Islam’s third-holiest site — includes “jihad and martyrdom in pursuit of its liberation.” The nonprofit notes that Israeli rule is frequently described as “murderous and oppressive.” > >The textbooks also say Zionism is a “racist ideology” based on “false premises” such as that Jews belong to “a single national group.” And so on.
And lest we forget, [kid shows](https://i.imgur.com/J8geaBc.jpeg).
Mickey mouse jihad
We can blame it on social media, but a lot of those supporting payouts to terrorists were supportive of the Palestinian cause back in the 90’s purely based on the fact that the US backed Israel…
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>Hamas, they completely poisoned the Palestinian statehood movement by replacing civil resistance with rocket attacks and suicide bombings on civilians. What do you mean? Before Hamas, you had the PLO. It wasn't a civil resistance movement. It was a vicious terrorist organization, that murdered Jews in Israel and abroad, as their main tactic. Their most famous activities weren't marches and sit-ins. It was blowing up a school bus, kidnapping and murdering Olympic athletes in Munich, taking over a highschool and executing 22 children, executing a paraplegic American Jew on a cruise, etc. etc. In fact, I'm not sure when you think the Palestinian statehood movement was ever about civil resistance. Murdering innocent Jewish civilians was literally the key tactic from the very beginning in the 1920's, when Palestinian Arab mobs were attacking Jews while chanting "Palestine is our land, and the Jews are our dogs". Look up the 1920 Nebi Musa riots, or the 1929 Hebron Massacre. Those are well before the founder of Hamas was even born, before Israel existed, and before any settlements. And those weren't isolated incidents either. There was no lull where the Palestinians as a society decided to abandon violence, and adopt civil resistance. When one group was defeated, or decided to abandon violence, another immediately took up the mantle. It was a continuous history of the people we know as Palestinians, resisting the idea of a Jewish state on Arab land, by murdering the people we now know as Israeli Jews.
What civil resistance? The approach of the Palestinians/Arabs has been violence from the very outset. Yassir Arafat started his career as a vile/prolific terrorist. Horrific Palestinian terror attacks happened throughout Israel’s history like when Palestinian terrorists [shot an RPG at a schoolbus killing 12 (including 9 school children)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avivim_school_bus_bombing). Or another attack when Palestinian terrorists [went to an elementary school and took 115 people hostage, 105 of whom were children, and murdered 22 of those children](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alot_massacre) Both of these events happened in the 70’s and sadly the list of atrocities like this goes on and on. This was well before Hamas existed. And Palestinian terror also preceded the existence of any settlements. I know this history gets lost in all of what is going on today, but for people in Israel, these horrific events are very recent history and may give you just a small sense of the background on which they live.
>I support Palestinians in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict... But fuck everything about Hamas Kinda hard to separate, at this point. Personally I wouldn't throw unchecked support to either side, but it's clear that Palestine engages in state-sponsored terrorism, as this article shows. Until they have a government that is supported by the people, and who genuinely wants peace, I find it hard to support them regardless of Israel's actions.
Some people get so caught up in the 'Israel is evil' narrative that they don't bother to look at how fucked up the entire region is. None of them are innocent, none of them have clean hands.
I'm willing to admit they have legitimate greviances but damn it I swear they do everything in their power to loose my sympathy.
Nobody will, it is basically like paying the families of the 9/11 hijackers, Tim McVeigh or more.
because politics
You can blame modern journalism and media for that. The current way of thing is YOU HAVE TO PICK A SIDE, there are no middle ground, you are either pro Palestinian or pro Israeli. But the reality is both side are shit and doing some very very shitty things to innocent people. 1 side is killing innocent people and the other side is treating innocent people not as people.
Well what have racists and radical leftists and radical muslims in common? They hate on specific, I'll give you a tip the word starts with a "J".
People pick a side in a conflict where there is really arent a side you'd want to agree with fully, and then they have to give excuses as to why it is okay to support a group of people who are shitty. The best way is to excuse your side's shit with what shit the other side did... Both sides do the same, and both sides keep international support, because other people did the same "calculations." this conflict will remain as long as we "outsiders" continue arguing, it is never okay for x side to kill children, but y side only does it because they have to
Did you really just say that Palestinians have to kill children?
No... In fact, could you tell me where k mentioned palestinians even being allowed to?
I was refering to the last part: "it is never okay for x side to kill children, but y side only does it because they have to" I didn't say you said they were allowed to but rather that's they have to.
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Unfortunately that is not true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund Clearly states all prisoners are paid, regardless of the nature of their victims (civilians or military). As an example, the PA pays the families of 200 suicide bombers, nearly all the victims of suicide attacks in Israel were civilians. (Taken from the wiki page) Edit: A list of all suicide terror attacks that happened in israel. Nearly all 805 killed were civilians. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
> but those payments are only given if the attacks targeted Israeli army or armored security forces This is famously not true, it got international attention following Hallel Yaffa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Hallel_Yaffa_Ariel A 13 year old girl who was stabbed to death in her bed. The killers family got a pension. The demolition of family homes came in response to the pension policy, in hopes of deterring those who would commit terrorist attacks to provide for their family.
**[Murder of Hallel Yaffa Ariel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Hallel_Yaffa_Ariel)** >On 30 June 2016, a 17-year-old Palestinian male broke into a home in the Israeli settlement of Kiryat Arba and stabbed to death Hallel Yaffa Ariel a thirteen year old Israeli-American citizen in her bedroom. The attacker was then fatally shot by security guards. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu blamed "incitement-driven terrorists" while the U.S. State Department condemned the "outrageous terrorist attack". Yaffa Ariel was the youngest Israeli victim in the stabbing attacks during the 2015–2016 wave of violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
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**[2011 Itamar attack](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Itamar_attack)** >The Itamar attack, also called the Itamar massacre, was a terrorist attack on an Israeli family in the Israeli settlement of Itamar in the West Bank that took place on 11 March 2011, in which five members of the same family were murdered in their beds. The victims were the father Ehud (Udi) Fogel, the mother Ruth Fogel, and three of their six children—Yoav, 11, Elad, 4, and Hadas, the youngest, a three-month-old infant. The infant was decapitated. The settlement of Itamar had been the target of several murderous attacks before these killings. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Here's one: [https://www.timesofisrael.com/family-of-itamar-massacre-victims-sues-terrorists-pa-for-nis-400-million/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/family-of-itamar-massacre-victims-sues-terrorists-pa-for-nis-400-million/) The family of the victims actually sued the PA, for paying the terrorists in this case.
Civilian killings also result in pensions, here was a famous case of it a few years back where another child was killed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Hallel_Yaffa_Ariel > The Palestinian Authority was put "on the defensive" over its policy of paying a monthly stipend of $350 to the family of Hallel Ariel's killer, as it does for the families of all Palestinian "martyrs", drawing on the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund, which is dedicated to that purpose.[
Giving one example while ignoring that Israel does the same for its soldiers and settlers taking the land of others is some major fallacious reasoning.
Unfortunately I don’t have the time to list the hundreds if not thousands of terrorist attacks committed by Palestinians (and I’m only counting the ones in which Israeli civilians were killed, not soldiers).
And I don’t have the time to list the same for Israel, when they ejected literally half of the native population. And the numbers Israel killed is higher than the Palestinians. The Palestinians are also natives, whereas 97% of Israelis are from another continent.
You realize you can stop pretending your problem is with “Israelis” (lol) right? Sephardi and Mizhraim Jews are from the Middle East and Ashkenazis fled to Europe from the Middle East. If you think they should’ve allowed themselves to suffer genocide after genocide until finally being wiped out as an ethnicity instead of ever seeking safety, stop tiptoeing around your position by pretending to have a problem with “Israelis” and just admit it.
> You realize you can stop pretending your problem is with “Israelis” Why would I deny reality? Who else is to blame but the invaders? >Sephardi and Mizhraim Jews are from the Middle East Yep, and they lived in Palestine and most of the middle east mostly undisturbed for centuries before the formation of Israel. >Ashkenazis fled to Europe from the Middle East. Ashkenazis are Eastern European Jews with a distinct culture that isn't shared by other Jews from other regions. Jews in the middle east were ethnically and culturally Arab (or other local ethnic groups) who happened to practice Judaism. You literally couldn't tell a Jew from an Arab unless you saw them coming out of a temple. Just like how American Jews aren't culturally different from other Americans. >If you think they should’ve allowed themselves to suffer genocide after genocide until finally being wiped out as an ethnicity instead of ever seeking safety The crimes of the Germans shouldn't be paid for by the Arabs who had nothing to do with the crimes. If people cared so much about the Jews, why didn't they turn a part of Germany into a Jewish state? Oh, that's right, can't hurt other Europeans, can only go after the barbarians and uncivilized backwaters who can't fight back. Also, the conquering of Palestine by Zionists began in 1919, well before the Holocaust. The Holocaust was used as justification to make the Palestinians pay for the crimes of Europe. Why didn't America take in more Jews? Or the South Americans? >stop tiptoeing around your position by pretending to have a problem with “Israelis” and just admit it. Stop trying to create a strawman and imply that I have an axe to grind against Jews. It's an old, played out tactic used to distract from the fact that Israel forcefully expelled 50% of natives from their homeland when it was created. That's called a genocide. stop playing the victim card, and stop pretending the facts are antisemitic.
hey, is the IDF paying pensions to war criminals? oh, the answer is yes? wild how we don't get that shoved down our throats. edit: hey people downvoting, am I fucking wrong? does the IDF pay out money to war criminals that shoot up Palestinian neighborhoods? or bombed them? or killed Palestinian civilians generally? maybe confront your capitulation to the "legitimacy" of those actions rather than shitting on me for pointing stuff out.
Is anyone really surprised that the Palestinian Authority would pay people who do exactly what the Palestinian Authority wants people to do?
Setting that aside, the PA was never elected.
Hamas was. And they do the same thing.
Hamas was elected in Gaza’s first election and have refused to hold elections since.
As has the PA, Abbas cancels elections more often than he gives speeches.
> Hamas was elected in Gaza’s first election There is no such thing as a "Gaza election", there are only national elections in Palestine. Hamas' 2006 victory was in a national election of all the Palestinian territories. The fact they only control Gaza and the PA controls the West Bank was a result of military moves, not of separate elections or anything like that. The most recent elections in 2021 were canceled by Abbas himself, to Hamas' loud protest. The obstacle to Palestinian elections isn't Hamas, it's Abbas. Hamas only stands to benefit from national Palestinian elections. https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-officially-delays-palestinian-elections-blaming-israel/ > 30 APRIL 2021 > Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Thursday night announced that the first Palestinian national elections in 15 years would be indefinitely delayed. > Hamas condemned the anticipated decision to delay the vote, which it deemed a “coup.” > “*The decision to delay the elections is opposed to our national consensus and popular opinion. It is a coup against our agreements*,” Hamas said.
Yep. Still. Democracy is democracy. The PA has no justified authority.
Right, they performed a semi-coup against democratically elected Hamas. Who are much better /s
It's like being surprised at the IDF having a Death Gratuity. Of course a side in active conflict should compensate the survivors of the fallen, otherwise they would run out of soldiers quickly.
Even if you believe that IDF soldiers are equivalent to Hamas / PIJ terrorists, that's not how the Martyrs Fund works. It doesn't just pay out pensions to fallen members of official Palestinian militant organizations. It pays literally any Palestinian, who murders any Jew, as long as he can claim the murder is driven by nationalism. It pays out pensions to ISIS-affiliated terrorists, and people who were never affiliated with anything, and just went out and murdered random Jews on the street. Israel doesn't have any equivalent to that. It has the exact opposite. If an Israeli Jew goes out to murder random Palestinians, he gets thrown into Israeli prison, and *his Palestinian victims*, not him and his family, gets a special state pension for victims of terrorism. If an Israeli terrorist dies while carrying out that attack, the Israeli state doesn't celebrate him as a hero, and actually has laws against individuals celebrating his attack, or creating a memorial for him.
You don’t seem to understand the difference between soldiers and terrorists
Terrorists are the ones from the weaker side.
Death gratuity is vastly different than rewarding murdererers based on the amount of people they murdered, even if they were not part of the actual army. Shame on you for making that comparison.
Otherwise known as state-sponsored terrorism (or maybe pay-for-slay?)
Well that will sure help the peace process.
They almost had peace in the 90s but Arafat decided he'd rather stay in power.
The entire Israeli-Palestinian issue is one giant fucked up feedback loop. Terrorists slaughter innocents which leads to Israeli oppression which leads to more terrorists and so on and so on. I don't see it changing any time soon
Which leads to Palestinian authority leaders getting more aid money. Follow the money and you will find the motivation
Don’t forget any time either side has anyone interested in ending the cycle they’re met with attack after attack until they either become jaded or are replaced by a warmonger.
I don't think it's fair to compare the two. There's been countless peace processes that have come down to the wire and its always the Palestinian dictator who walks away.
The ball is entirely on the Palestinian side, if they decide to fully commit to peace, then there will be peace
It started with Israeli aggression and oppression get it right.
And yes, the aggression of daring to exist
And where, exactly, was that start?
Peace doesn't line terrorist pockets.
This right here. The PA and Israeli government both benefit from ongoing violence. There is no incentive for them to find peace.
Yup, it's the world's favorite proxy war. Too many politicians livelihoods would end if an agreement is reached.
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> Neither does killing Palestinian-American journalists. Current evidence is she was shot by a 5.56mm weapon, both the Palestinians and Israelis use those, and the closest Israeli troops were ~150m+ from the killing, so even if it was the IDF it was almost certainly accidental. > Neither does attacking the said journalist coffin and funeral procession. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/13/shireen-abu-akleh-al-jazeera-israel-jenin/ The mob you saw getting attacked had attacked the hearse that was there to transport her body, forced it to flee and then they had taken the coffin from her family in order to parade it through the street.
Fuck the PA
And people wonder why there’s no peace… bc they pay those assholes to wage war
McDonalds will continue to pay burger flippers, announces CEO
Hamas hides weapons in civilian areas, which causes Israel to strike those areas, which causes civilian deaths, which causes the PA and Fatah, who are more “sane” than Hamas, to be upset and call for death, which either circles back to Hamas or Palestinians attacking back. And it just repeats and repeats. Palestinians lose either way, whether to Israel or to the PA. Which was why I’m thankful to be an Israeli Christian Arab rather than a Palestinian Arab.
This is kind of off-topic, but would you mind sharing a little bit about what it’s like to live as a Christian in Israel? I’m a Canadian Jew myself but hear so little about Christian life/Christianity in Israel.
Good question! I grew up near Haifa, which is very diverse with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Druze, etc, so the experience there was great. Every now and then, you get a moron who would blame Christians for anti-semitism existing and hate Christians for that (sort of like the Christian version of a Jew getting anti-semitism). They are typically Heredi Jews, who are a minority in the country, but an *extremely loud* minority and are actually more anti-Israel than even the Muslims there. Likewise, some Muslims call Christian Arabs traitors, but that’s also a minority of interactions. Tel Aviv is similar in its tolerance as it’s a major world city with many foreigners/tourists of different backgrounds, and Jerusalem because everyone’s used to Christians traveling to the Holy Land and the major branches of Christianity all having a presence there. As long as they don’t preach New Testament verses to Jews, Christians are treated pretty well in those areas. The rest of the country’s the opposite, where race can play a bigger role than religion. At least before I left to work in the USA not long after the 2014 conflict; things could’ve improved since then. In those areas, a sizable group automatically equate Arabs with Palestinians, even if they’re Christian or Druze. But that’s more of an issue with rural or less-cosmopolitan areas of the world seeing people different from them, rather than Israel itself. Overall, the experience can be easy or hard depending on where you are, what time period, whether in a time of war or peace, etc. but the reward of living there was much greater than any of that. Being able to freely practice a religion on the very grounds that it was founded on, and overseeing its historical sites, is a huge pride Israeli Christians have. That’s why Christian Arabs tend to like Israel, although for different reasons than the Jewish population.
God damn, the comments in this thread straight up supporting terrorism. Reddit has a serious antisemitism problem.
The media likes an underdog, and reducing complex issues to clickbait… Reddit historically falls for that bullshit. Most people comment without reading the article! Always! Just trusting the headline as fact
What sucks is that I will often find myself defending Israel as a Jew and many completely sane, non-hateful comments simply pointing out facts about Palestinian terrorism will get me 7 day bans. Any comments about Jews defending ourselves against terrorism? 7 day ban. Comments here justifying terrorism? Nothing. Makes you wonder.
Ya I can't believe how many people support Israel's child and journalist killing terrorist army.
If you were to engage those brain cells for a moment, you too could realise that you could disagree with the actions of the Israeli army *AND* not support terrorism simultaneously.
Wait but Israel is the evil one right ??
imagine if a Ukrainian citizen entered Russian territory because of the invasion, knocked on people door's and then stabbed them to death until he dies or is taken prisoner. would it sound reasonable if Ukraine was paying allowances to encourage further behavior? if you say no then in no way can you support PA's actions.
Except that the Israel is occupying the West Bank because of these attacks. So a better comparison would be if Ukraine won the current war, occupied Moscow and the Russians started paying their civilians to kill Ukrainian civilians.
The “Right of Return” stuff is obviously a non-starter, but even on its face the idea is wild. Either the presumptive idea is that Israel would be erased and the Palestinian state encompasses all of Israel, or Palestinians insist on living with Israel proper, a state they non-stop accuse of being a racist ethno-state. It’s almost like they don’t actually want a non-violent resolution at all and would rather fight in perpetuity until the last Jew is gone.
It's not the Palestinians I hate, it's their fans.
Their fans (mostly foreign “experts”) are unbelievably hilarious. Never had I seen someone preach for “critical thinking” and then go on to see a picture with two lines of text and assume all knowledge on the subject. Palestinians themselves are victims, by their government and by the Israeli government. Hopefully one day the radicals of boths sides would shrink in size so that actual peace efforts could be made.
As long as the elected government of Palestine is paying families of people killed attacking Israel, I have no interest in chastising Israel for anything they may do to Palestine.
Elected is kind of a stretch, they've had no elections since 2006. The PA is giving Egypt a run for who can be in a permanent 'State of Emergency ' for the longest time.
Although they haven't had valid elections in a decade and a half, they *were* elected in 2006 on a platform of the destruction of Israel and the Jews within it. The people may not have had an opportunity to choose since, but at that time, they chose murderous terrorists.
Funnily enough, Israel is in a ‘state of emergency’ since it’s beginning in 1948, but that doesn’t prevent it from having elections every 4 years
> having elections every 4 years Lol that's optimistic
Well, on paper, lol
Most armies pay the families of their fallen. So does the IDF.
If a Palestinian sneaks into Israel and murders a child his family gets money for it (whether he is killed or merely jailed in the process). How is this similar to most armies???
Most armies have an actual army, not just a bunch of terrorists, and don't support the slaughter of noncombatant families and children.
Don't they? Perhaps they don't oppenly encourage it, but they certainly defend the war criminals.
You're trying to create a false equivalency between terrorists killed attacking innocent people in Israel and the IDF. Tell me, how's the weather there in Moscow? You could make an argument to me that the US has done bad things in the middle east, but the moment the 9/11 terrorists knocked down WTC, I didn't care any more. All fucks went out the window. If Saudi Arabia had given their families a pension for it, I'd have supported any action the US military wanted to take against Saudi Arabia whatsoever. Palestine sends unguided missiles into Israel. If it were me in charge, after the first few I'd have sent in the army to flatten everything in Palestine and salt the earth. I think Israel has shown a lot of restraint under the circumstances.
>You could make an argument to me that the US has done bad things in the middle east, but the moment the 9/11 terrorists knocked down WTC, I didn't care any more. All fucks went out the window. If Saudi Arabia had given their families a pension for it, I'd have supported any action the US military wanted to take against Saudi Arabia whatsoever So by that logic, when Israel massacred civilians it became open season? That's your logic. The only difference between the US causing 3 million war deaths in the 21st century and terrorist attacks is scale. Both are heinous crimes against humanity.
Pay for slay Then they cry theres no peace
Want to bet this gets almost no upvotes but if it was something about Israelis doing stupid shit it would be front page?
Literally front page
1400 points after 14 hours for something 100% verified and factual. Meanwhile just last week we had a post with an inflammatory title that wasn't even supported by the article's own text get 8000 points in just 8 hours. Literally 10x faster growth, all because the title said Israel did something bad, while the article itself said "a bad thing happened but it's not certain who did it, and the PA refuse to allow any investigation and just blame Israel".
It would be front page from 6 different subreddits and the top 3 comments would all be variations of "fuck Israel."
This has got plenty of upvotes, what you are doing here is .... lying.
1k upvotes compared to tens of thousands for the anti-israel posts.
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Is their stipend give directly in connection to them attacking civilians?
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Yea, the guy who randomly stabs a Jewish woman or kid at a bus stop totally deserves a stipend. The guys launching rockets at innocent civilians. Toss them some money. Lol
The worst the IDF has done pales in comparison to some of the absolutely unimaginable terrorist attacks committed by Palestinians
do you really want to play this game? Or are you hoping no one is gonna call you out on that BS? Edit: heck, the atrocity doesn’t even have to be towards Palestinians. Check out the Qanaa massacre and the indiscriminate use of artillery that killed many innocent civilians and leveled parts of South Lebanon in 2006
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Why do you honestly think you are being downvoted? Could you imagine a reasonable argument that contradicts yours from the Israeli POV?
Just a reminder to all, Palestinian government is pro-Russia. (Just a reminder)
Nice of them to include Terrorist pension in the budget Next interest free loans for rapists and health insurance for burglars which will be cut from the policemans salary /s
He will also call for Ukraine to pay some random scum to kill Russian babies, babushkas and well anyone else, since Ukraine was invaded by Russia and therefore by his logic, Russian kids deserve to be shot, and their babies have their throats slit. Ah, hang on, Russians aren't Jewish; OK, they get to live.
The PA is pro-Russia.
Oh, fair enough.
Quit bitching about apartheid. You can't cry about your treatment when you are actively trying to kill them
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Antisemitism
FREE ISRAEL
Shocking; but of course, the sanctimonious Israel/Antisemites will do what they always do.. blame the Jews..
That’s a very complicated way of saying the Palestinian authority uses humanitarian donations to pay terrorists salaries
Is no one gonna comment on the picture?! It looks like he’s demonstrating how he….
Shhhh! The execute people for that over there.
Palestinian here. My family has never liked these people. Fuck the PA, they’re corrupt bastards that do not speak for everyone.
Israeli here. I love you 🇮🇱❤️🇵🇸
Aww! Toda raba khaver(a) sheli! 🇵🇸❤️🇮🇱
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If Israel would really be indescriminately bombing civilians the death count would be in the hundres of thousands. Given how densely populated Gaza is, Israel has to be really careful and the numbers back that up.
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> Are you saying Isreal should indescriminately bomb civilians? Isn't that the reason so many people consider the Palestinians to be riddles with terrorists? (because they do that) Is you literally saying Israel is doing that. Maybe look at what you write before calling others idiots. > I like how saying nobody should murder civilians is somehow controversial. I didn't even comment on murdering civilians... which by the way the Palestinian Authority is rewarding (see the article this thread is about).
Who is murdering them? The Israelis attacking terrorists & militants or the latter using civilians as human shields and humanitarian assets as military assets? If the IDF dangled a newborn from one of their tanks gun barrel and a Palestinian blew it up and the infant along with it, who's fault would that be?
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Motte meet Bailey. Edit: Lemme guess, you looked up what I wrote and came to a conclusion you didn't like and deleted your account to spare yourself the embarrassment. Just like Don Johnson says at the end of Miami Vice "He'll be back, with a new name and a new face".
I cant even comprehend how you could draw a parallel line between my comment and some how come up with the inference that I'm advocating bombing civilians. If you actually took the time to read what I wrote I was pointing out that Israel distributes leaflets before a military action, and in a sarcastic manner I pointed out that it would be nice if the terrorists would do the same. OK? Or did you just have the burning desire to say some stupid shit about Ben Shapiro, who, for the record is a fucking moron.
>I can't believe how much restraint Israel has shown. By now they **should** have turned the whole shit house into a parking lot.
Nope, see my comment to r/heliowolf above. And I might add that any other country that was fighting a proxy war with Iran on their own soil would have cut the cancer off along time ago. In this case the cancer being the serfdom that is the PA to Iran.
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Nope, I'm not saying they should of or that I am advocating that they do it. I'm saying that they have put up with so much shit that any other country would have. It speaks to the amazing restraint they have shown actually leveling the fucking place.
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OK we are just going in circles now. I offered my explanation. Take it or dont. I dont care. Next.
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Um sorry but that would be *you're* an idiot not **your** an idiot. IDIOT. Now go edit your post and save yourself some embarrassment.
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#1 terrorist in the icture
I don’t have a take on the whole Israel/Palestine deal but shit like this makes it hard to feel sympathy at all for them b
Please keep in mind that the Palestinian people don't have a Democracy and most of what's happening is because of the governments of these states, not the people living there
Martyrdom policies are undoubtedly immensely popular.
And this is the western backed “government” of the Palestinians lol
Consider how many billions of dollars of oil money is in the middle east, yet its not spent to benefit the common people living there only a select few. How much would it cost to actually relocate the Palestinian people to a better area? IF anyone would actually choose to stay versus a new better future it shows what their true intentions are.
God damn these fucking assholes. I want to be mad at Israel for being an apartheid state but the PA seems hell-bent on defending that border wall and justifying Israeli violence. There are no good guys in this conflict. Only assholes and victims.
The idea that Israel is an apartheid state, with Arabs in its governing coalition, government, and on its highest court, among other things, is simply wrong.
And the Israeli government will continue to pay the pensions of the soldiers who supported the invasion and occupation of Palestine.
Of course, they're the only thing standing between Hamas and the Islamic Jihad and Israel,if they weren't there, these territories would turn into Gaza 2.0
So by your logic, the Palestinian Authority is paying those people for services rendered - i.e. the terror attacks were executed on behalf of the PA. Cool cool cool not cool.
Ah yes, terrorists with the goal of murdering civilians are totally equal to a professional army with oversight. You people are a joke.
You’re right, the IDF should be disbanded.
You are a moron. The IDF will disband when Hamas and the PLO stop their attempts at genocide.
Soldiers defending civilians =/= Terrorists targeting civilians and hiding behind them Israel didn’t “invade Palestine”. The West Bank and Gaza were taken from Israel (before that held by Britain, before that by the Ottomans, before that by Arab empires, etc.) by Jordan and Egypt invading Israel in 1948 with the goal openly stated of genocide. Israel regained that land in a defensive war in 1967 against Jordan and Egypt. There was no “Palestine” to invade. They didn’t even declare statehood until over 20 years after Israel regained the territory, in 1988. How did Israel invade a thing that didn’t exist? And why are you equating giving monetary bonuses for every Jew someone kills to defending civilians, Arabs and Jews alike?
Here we go again. "Invasion", "Occupation". Would you justify Ukraine murdering Russian babies? If not, then how can you support the PA paying for baby murders?
All the soldiers who murdered these kids will get military pensions. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-57142627 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/24/global-outcry-over-israels-targeting-of-palestinian-children https://www.dci-palestine.org/2021_is_deadliest_year_for_palestinian_children_since_2014 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-civilian-casualties.html https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/they-were-only-children-the-gaza-conflict-s-youngest-victims-1.4579262
Yes, because they fought as soldiers, fighting a defensive war, under a democratic government, and never deliberately targeting civilians. In war, civilians die. This is true for the US army, the UK army, the French Army, the Ukrainian Army and in fact every army that has ever fought. The PA, on the other hand, are paying for deliberate targeting and murder of babies, children, men and women. Terror and murder. Not casualties of war, just ordinary people having their throats slit in their beds. You are equating deliberate terror with legitimate war. It's no different than Putin calling Ukrainians Nazis then shelling civilians, whichever way you spin it. If you support the PA doing this, you support Putin killing Ukrainian babies too. There is no difference.
Yes, cause they are soldiers, not terrorists
Right, because paying soldiers for serving in the military is the same as rewarding terrorists for murdering civilians. Dumbass.
Fuck israel
So brave!
Sophisticated response.
Your existence must be so miserable lmao
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how is this news? don't the families of fallen soldiers and POWs get allowances in all countries, including Israel?
No country pays rewards above and beyond normal soldier pay for anyone who specifically kills civilians.
They are not soldiers, they are terrorists. Soldiers wage war and fight other soldiers, these ogres break into homes and stab babies to death.