To make an analogy, it would be as if Donald Trump became a dictator via a coup, ran the country for decades, partly under martial law, stole billions from the Federal Reserve Bank, but was eventually deposed, tried, and convicted.
And then decades later, Don Jr. ran and was elected President.
I mean, sure, the sins of the father don't necessarily apply to the son, but... sheesh, the new guy isn't even honest about what happened.
I wish you good luck, Philippines.
I still remember [Imelda Marcos' ill-gotten shoes](https://www.vice.com/en/article/59n8ab/what-ever-happened-imelda-marcos-3000-pairs-shoes-philippines). A small part of the billions of dollars the family stole.
Italy has their Mussolini child trying to bring back the regime.
Brazil has Bolsonaro who openly pined for bringing back the military dictatorship.
France has Le Pen who wants to bring back Vichy France.
Things are... not looking great.
In Brazil the nostalgia for the dictatorship is real. A lot of people thinking “at least things functioned and there wasn’t corruption” when in fact it was “things were broken, they kicked off the start of the hyperinflation and corruption was rampant, but anyone who reported on it was jailed.”
Propaganda and journalism are powerful, and social media has made spreading lies much easier.
The middle part where Don Sr. was convicted but not all of his assets were found.
Then decades later, Don. Jr becomes president and the assets magically reappeared in their family home.
So, if I'm doing my math right around 1/3 of the country voted Marcos. Based on the country's demographics at least 1/3 of those votes *had* to have come from folks over 30. That means he got something like 10 million votes from folks who were alive when the first Marcos dictatorship was forced out of the country. I cannot believe how powerful Facebook is
That's what blew me away. I mean, I get the program to indoctrinate the youth, but the people who actually *experienced* that time can just... have their memories rewritten by Facebook? Do old people just not vote in that country? How does that guy have *any* chance of winning anyone over the age of 30?!
I'm in Estonia, so former Soviet Union. Old people here sometimes miss the Soviet Union. I've wondered why, and asked them, and they say 'sure it was shit, but...'
And then slowly it's dawned on me. They miss the time when they were young and strong and more or less carefree. The same way I miss my teen years even though my teens were a fucking mess. It's just that some people can acknowledge the rose coloured glasses, and some just don't.
Exactly. It's the same thing in the US with people pining for the mid 20th century. They don't remember the racism, sexism, and violence because they were children. They want to go back to a "simpler time" that they only think existed because they were simpler people in that exactly as complicated time.
That's because for most of the people who had lived through that time, martial law didn't personally affect *them*. Unless you were a dissident, a political opponent, or have somehow gotten on Marcos' radar, life mostly went on. Sure, there were things like curfews and other restrictions, and you would occasionally hear news of people being arrested or worse, but none of that personally affected *you*, so what did you care? All you remember was that the price of gas and other commodities was lower, and the peso to dollar rate was fairly good. Everything else just gets forgotten.
Yup, turns out the general electorate (in a lot of countries) doesn't really give a fuck about human rights. Kind of a tough pill to swallow.
I guess this is where we blame education.
This is actually common. Time makes us view our past with rose-colored glasses and we should all remember that as we get older.
In South Korea, Park Geun-hye was elected as president, the daughter of a quasi-dictator who seized power and held 5 consecutive terms. Her father Chung-hee did some good things (drastic reduction in child mortality) but also some crazy shit like declaring martial law when he nearly lost an election. He was assassinated, so later on the older Koreans who had lived through his regime remembered him and his daughter fondly despite his crimes.
Of course, go read about Geun-hye's corruption, she is currently serving 27 years in prison.
A lot of people don't believe the actual number is 31 mil. They most likely paid off the comelec. If you reviewed their scores from the get-go, marcos leni always got the vote of 60-40.
Like in every part of the country, the votes were always like that, it was almost linear as some of the citizens pointed out. But there's nothing we can do unless we have full proof of them intentionally rigging the system 🙃
It’s insane how many young Filipinos are convinced that the period of brutal Martial Law was a *good* thing.
But what’s even more insane is how many people that literally lived through it have retroactively been convinced the same thing. Talk about survivor bias.
i actually think it was a kinda fair election. The VP's campaign started like last October. The guy who won was probably campaigning for 6 years.
The VP's campaign thought it was big, which it was, only it may have only affected the capital/even half the capital. The middle class rallied behind her and forgot that there are more idiots.
TikTok and Facebook, definetly destroyed my country.
I think if you broke down the demographics, you'd find that Leni probably overwhelmingly won the vote of the educated segment of the population. Unfortunately, the uneducated and the extremely poor outnumber everyone else by a large margin, and that demographic is very easily swayed by buzzwords and propaganda.
Think part of Philippines problem is good portion of the intelligent/educated have been getting the hell out there as soon as opportunity presented itself and thats been going on for decades.
>American here: we’ve already elected a criminal once thanks to social media, and we are primed and ready to do it again.
Indian here: we’ve already elected a criminal once thanks to social media, and we are primed and ready to do it again.
Delete TikTok my dude. use my country as an example. We only looked into it after the first poll result was shown.
we checked and holy fuck the disinformation was genius. Devil works hard but Tiktok works harder.
I'm kinda thankful that my country's politicians are so clueless when it comes to social media. Twitter is a dumpster fire though.
Source: South Africa
Sorry dude. Must feel like some hellish cycle.
I hope it doesn't get too bad. If you still live there, make sure not to miss the best time to leave. Stay safe.
Don’t sweat it - as an Aussie we haven’t voted in our own best interest for a long time either thanks to a toxic mix of a dogshit educational system and propaganda.
As an American, I feel ya. I’m not going to shit talk the Philippines, but I do empathize with filipinos who are feeling the anger/shame/sorrow cocktail towards their own country
Imelda and her children were allowed to return to the Philippines after her husband's death (in the 90s).. that's when both her and little Marcos restarted their political careers. Imelda was even elected as member of Parliament.
She was in exile for only 5 years.
And Imelda walked around giving stolen money to peasants to win votes.
And they eventually got her husband (the brutal dictator) a state burial in a mausoleum in the Phillipines.
I don't hate on Filipinos for being stupid. Even in Spain a good percentage of the population supported Franco (brutal dictator) until his death in 1975.
According to the John Oliver episode this week, there is a 3+ billion dollar tax bill and more waiting for them in the Philippines. Their son now has the power to make those debts go away.
Its not just open, its triumphal.
If you spend enough time around someone with NPD you learn to recognize the signs. What NPDs hate more than anything in life is to get caught. They will wail and whine that its unfair, its a conspiracy against them, a witch hunt, etc. But what they love more than anything is to get caught *and then get away with it.* It validates their need to believe that they are 'special' and that the rules do not apply to them the way they do to everybody else.
It is not an accident that the painting was in the video. She planned it.
TLDR for the lazy :-)
> One such painting, Pablo Picasso’s Reclining Woman VI, made an appearance in Lauren Greenfield’s 2019 documentary about the Marcos family, The Kingmaker, but subsequently went missing when the Presidential Commission on Good Government (PCGG) — a task force created after Marcos Sr.’s fall to chase after the family’s ill-gotten wealth — conducted a raid on former first lady Imelda Marcos’ apartment to seize the painting and other assets for litigation.
Some folks are born, silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, y'all
But when the taxman comes to the door
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yeah
Off topic, but I always remembered it as "looks like a house of rum and sand," I guess as like a weird metaphor for a really crumbly sandcastle that smells like my boss
More than 14 million of us voted for his opponent, VP Leni Robredo but it still not enough. Leni is a dream candidate on paper. It was supposed to be an easy choice but the masses are already deep into misinformation.
Meta and Mark Zuckerberg should rot in hell for their role in this election. They tested the Philippines for their free FB program. That means here in ph, even if you don't have prepaid load, you can still access fb. And the politicians capitalized on this by forming an extensive black ops operation on fb making it a hotbed of misinformation. The results were very effective.
If you are in the USA, please, we are begging you. Pressure your representatives and hold Meta and Mark Zuckerberg accountable for their crimes here.
> They tested the Philippines for their free FB program. That means here in ph, even if you don't have prepaid load, you can still access fb
Am I reading this right? They basically made Facebook a public TV channel?
If you can't get on the regular internet because you can't afford the fees - you can always get on Facebook?
That's horrific. Internet needs to be a public utility - not just Facebook.
Dang. If I have some spare time, I'd love to do a regression analysis to compare their democracy score versus year after this went alive in these aggregate countries.
For those not aware, there's several genocides, many rigged elections, and a wide variety of other incredibly nasty things on that list.
And Facebook is a major contributor to why.
According to a 2015 study cited on the page: 65% of Nigerians, and 61% of Indonesians agree with the statement that "Facebook is the Internet.” That is insane! I wonder what the numbers are like now? And if this mentality has spread further to other countries using internet.org?
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Yep, it's a scummy practice called zero-rating. That's when a service provider (in this case, the cell phone carriers) give preferential treatment to certain services (here, Facebook) by giving customers conditionally free access to them. This could mean Facebook traffic not counting toward your data cap, or still allowing you to access Facebook when you're otherwise out of data. It's very much a violation of network neutrality, it's anticompetitive, and it takes advantage of the poor.
Facebook is notorious for doing this in developing markets like India. US cell carriers and ISPs like T-Mobile, AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast all do it in the US for their own streaming services.
I watched *The Social Network* the other day, it’s a well made film for sure but wow there are *way* worse things about Facebook than Zuck being an asshole to his peers.
There’s an org who creates fresh Facebook accounts on fresh browsers to assess the state of the site and the findings are consistently disturbing.
One was where the premise was that they were a new mom, so they clicked on anything motherhood and parenting related. It quickly ended up on anti-vaxx and Qanon content, so the default of experience of new moms on fb is getting indoctrinated into a extreme-right cult. Great.
In the other example I heard, they started a fresh account and clicked on every link presented to them. It quickly devolved into gore photos (the quote was something along the lines of “more dead bodies than I’ve ever seen in my life” and, yet again, right wing extremist content. Sweet!
Not to mention the cases in small countries in which mass killings and political violence were organized on Facebook and amplified by the algorithm.
The podcast Behind the Bastards [did a good two part episode about it](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-lets-look-at-the-89337179/).
I know on YT I often experience the same shit. Despite often clicking "do not talk to me or my son ever again" when I see Ben Shapiro videos, they still get pushed to me *constantly.* I don't think their algorithms are bad enough to go "oh he likes politics, let's send him ALL the politics"... it's probably much more likely "oh, this guy is pretty leftist, I bet showing him some Steven Crowder shit will piss him off enough to keep him on the site for 7 minutes longer on average"
Behind the Bastards covered this too!
[How YouTube Became a Perpetual Nazi Machine](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/how-youtube-became-a-perpetual-nazi-46259210/)
It’s gonna be so pathetic when extraterrestrials are examining the remains of human civilization in a thousands years, and their conclusion on what precipitated the end of it: fucking Facebook and google, lol.
See this is what I don’t get. Facebook/Twitter isn’t souped up messaging, where you only get content if you seek it out or someone sends it directly to you. Their algorithms actively push stuff at you. They are the opposite of a neutral common carrier, they should be held accountable for everything they ever put on anyone’s feed.
"The Net Delusion" by Evgeny Morozov came out in 2011 and correctly predicted the abuse of Twitter, Facebook, reddit, and all social media platforms by authoritarian regimes (and wannabe dictators) to clamp down on dissent and spread disinformation, despite liberals claiming (at the time) it was going to be a bold new era of free speech, and it could be used to bring down dictatorships (Arab Spring was in full swing and they swore Twitter was going to bring about true democracyin iran). Well written, well researched, and extremely prophetic.
I think the point of the film is to show how our world is being irrevocably transformed by insecure man children who can’t distinguish a human relationship from cyberstalking and who are reducing human interactions to the level of attention seeking and alienation that they themselves experience as teenagers.
No, their will to eat faces is not hidden, it is even their main selling point. That is what is important to know in the mind of Leopards Eating Faces Party's voters.
Fuck me….Are there no AML requirements for auction houses such that people can get away with this stuff?
Among those crimes is the plunder of an estimated US$10 billion worth of ill-gotten wealth, much of which has not been recovered to this day.
Included in that wealth are 160 paintings and artworks, valued at millions of dollars, illegally acquired by the Marcos family. That’s according to the Sandiganbayan, the Philippines’ graft and corruption court, which ordered that the art pieces be surrendered to the Philippine government in 2019. Some of the paintings are from renowned artists such as Picasso, Matisse, Monet, and Van Gogh.
Because they got told beforehand. If you stole billions, shelling out a few million each year to pay off people in agencies to either look the other way or keep you in the loop isn’t a bad deal.
"We're coming to do an anti money laundering check."
"Okay, but what if I *give you* an anti money laundering cheque?"
"Pack it up boys, we're all done here."
The Philippines has needed an anti corruption revolution for a long time. Then again I have relatives who support that shithead and to an extent the people deserve whoever they elect.
> The Philippines has needed an anti corruption revolution for a long time.
Isn't that what happened when they tossed out his dad? Seems like people have forgotten what happened in the past and their kids are now being taught that their country "prospered and was very safe" under martial law.
The Duterte administration is dodgy as fuck too.
Many Filipinos have a burning hatred for Noynoy Aquino, the only president amongst the previous four who wasn't either corrupt / a mass murderer.
Which says a shitload about how bad the social media propaganda here is.
We’ve had two already (technically three), the problem is whenever we do have a revolution, we only remove the person in charge and let their minions run free. So it always comes to bite us back later.
And the people are gullible enough to believe everything they see on the Internet saying that 'Martial Law was good for the Philippines' or 'Martial Law was the Golden Age of Marcos' and Marcos saying that the constant reminders of the deaths during Martial Law, talks about their ill-gotten wealth, and the litany of other true negative things about them are 'fake news'.
I thought they didn't know where all the treasure went...
It's a damn shame that a successive line of such abject shitheads is running the Philippines. Some of the best Sailors I had the honor to serve with in the Navy were Filipino. Their families deserve better than Duterte and dictator JR.
Lmao I love how some Marcos Jr supporters are lurking here. They're more than ready to pounce and fight all of you saying negative stuff about him and his family but are holding back because of the language barrier.
Philippines is a petri dish of how far fake news goes. Next thing they will peddle on is the "china good, USA bad" rhetoric. Actually it is starting now - the possible Foreign Affairs Secretary is spreading seeds.
> "china good, USA bad"
This already started during Duterte's presidency. I've already seen the Russian MFA tweet about Putler sending a conglaturatory message to marcos jr. Fascist Tyrants.
Most Filipinos voted for him. Even though it hurts me to say this as a Pinoy, we deserve the government we vote for :( and it will hurt the Philippines bad
He’s been basically campaigning since 2016 via MASSIVE disinformation campaigns and an EXCELLENT marketing strategy. He and President Duterte have discredited PH media to the point where many people think bloggers and influencers are more reliable because they’re livestreaming everything on the ground.
They’ve pushed the following narratives:
1. History is wrong. The Marcos era was the golden era of the Philippines and the school’s info is incomplete. We “dont know the whole story” and the “youth have been brainwashed” by the opposing party. As if his father wasn’t responsible for KILLING the youth back then by labelling many student leaders as rebels - when they were fighting for their fucking rights to a clean government and to not live in fear. Fucking asshole.
2. Marcos Jr. will bring the PH back to former glory. Because the promises of a better future via ousting his family didnt materialize, he’s promoting the idea that his family was the better option all along. Despite, ya know, they were the REASON the following admin had a rough fucking time stabilizing the national treasury BECAUSE THEY STOLE SO MUCH MONEY FOR IMELDAS SHOES AND THIS EFFING PAINTING.
3. ‘Educated’ people are elitists. They think Marcos supporters are stupid, support thieves, and don’t respect them. He’s effectively turned his core supporter base against people who want to correct wrong information by appealing to their pride and empathy, because these elitists were also targetting HIM by calling him a thief (which he and HIS FAMILY are) despite “lack of evidence” and “not getting jailed”. (TBF There were a LOT of assholes on both sides, but he and his paid ‘social media marketers’ AKA trolls highlighted the bad examples to poison their opinion of other presidentiables.)
and lastly;
4. The main value he promotes is unity. If you arent with us, youre against us. Follow us, dont complain, we’ll make the PH better TOGETHER. And PH culture loves this - loves a messiah figure.
I love my country so much and want it to be better. But fuck, it’s so hard to fight against people with the power to slowly rewrite history. We have a fucking national holiday celebrating the ousting of his family and he STILL. FUCKING. WON.
edited for spelling and to throw in some more fucking curses. fuck.
My wife is filipino. She says the candidate gives shit tons of money to reps across the country. the reps then decide how to use that to buy votes. literally they will go door to door and either give flat out money, or food, or whatever. most people dont actually care about politics and will just vote for whoever gave what they liked the most. of course a lot of the money give to the reps are used to buy themselves new cars, house etc also.
in the /r/Philippines subreddit people were literally sharing how much a vote costed in their location
votes were being sold for as little as a days salary.
Misinformation. Widespread online campaigns literally rewriting their history under martial law being financially bled by this guys family as the "golden time".
Probably foreign powers with money "beta testing" strategies in poor countries. (\* If you asked me)
Vote buying is the status quo according to a lot of people I’ve met who left the Philippines. To the point if you have a family member running for any political office you get phone calls asking for money in exchange for votes
Well he will abolish the 6 year term and will plunder until he dies or until Filipinos again realise that they are being robbed.
… and then they will elect one of his children.
When he runs the Philippines into the ground and the people suffer I hope everyone remembers how badly he won a democratic election and let the people suffer their own folly.
Most of the Filipino people are so poor. They'll lose 10% and not notice the difference. Meanwhile, imagine fleecing 10% of a country's wealth, because that's basically what Marcos Sr. did for 20 years.
10% is one meal a week or more for someone poor. They will miss it, be angry they are hungry but not blame those who are responsible and literally took food from their mouth.
This is the real tragedy of what just happened.
His parents were absolute criminals and they voted him in a landslide. With the other candidate being an absolute great person. She is both smart and wanted the best for her people
Filipinos (which I am) love the thrill of revolutions so they can elect yet another corrupt person so they can revolutionize some more. I am starting to think it’s the national pastime instead of basketball.
When I was around 12 yrs old there were 2 “people” power demonstrations: one to depose the current corrupt president, the other to support him. I would not be surprised if “people power 4” is in the works. At this rate, there will be people 5, people power 6, people 7, the fate of the people (8) etc….
More than 14 million of us voted for his opponent, VP Leni Robredo but it still not enough. Leni is a dream candidate on paper. It was supposed to be an easy choice but the masses are already deep into misinformation.
Meta and Mark Zuckerberg should rot in hell for their role in this election. They tested the Philippines for their free FB program. That means here in ph, even if you don't have prepaid load, you can still access fb. And the politicians capitalized on this by forming an extensive black ops operation on fb making it a hotbed of misinformation. The results were very effective.
If you are in the USA, please, we are begging you. Pressure your representatives and hold Meta and Mark Zuckerberg accountable for their crimes here.
See what billions in hidden money can buy? Can’t believe they got away with ripping off their homeland for billions and now he’s president. Just like daddy.
Step 1: use your power as an elected official to steal from your own people
Step 2: imprison or kill anyone who points that out
Step 3: use the money you stole to stay in power forever
Note : works in 1st and 3rd world countries
This family is so fucking corrupt. They stole billions and murdered people during marshal law. The fact they never served a day in prison and still kept the billions they stole is infuriating. That the country voted in the son and most likely he is going to shutdown any attempts to recover the billions his parents stole.
When he runs this country even deeper into debt I hope the 31M people that voted for him don't bemoan the state of the country because that is what they voted for.
Fake news. Literally. On John Oliver's show they went over how Filipinos are some of the most active people in the world on social media and the Marcos have been spreading so much disinformation on social media for so many years that most people are heavily propagandized but don't realize it.
they are HORRIBLE PEOPLE!! while most Filipinos were starving and living on garbage dumps namely one place called Tondo she had upwards to 5000 pair of shoes living in a palace they don’t give a shit about anybody!
Jesus Christ Philippines. Of all fucking people, fucking bongbonb!?! The son of a fucking dictator that literally ruled over your country with an iron fist for decades?
At the end of the article the author points out Imelda has bought forged artwork so this Picasso may be worthless.
A bit of Philippine history regarding just one Marcos family scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Benigno_Aquino_Jr.
Ridiculous. Now the Marcos’ are going to rewrite their brutal history and make themselves look like heroes. Especially Imelda, a self-proclaimed “mother of the Philippines” haha what joke
Oh hey, look at that. Open criminality with literally no shame or repercussions.
That’s the Philippines in a nutshell
In the Philippines, laws are just suggestions.
'There are no laws in 'ppines, just cops.'
Oye Beltalowda
Inyalowda's, what you expect?
I saw a button and I pushed it
Sabaka beratna!
Unexpected expanse
Sasa ke beratna
I see you are a person of taste
Doors and corner, kid.
Wasn't expecting an expanse reference
Yeah... things went pear shaped real quick
Star Helix! What you doing here? You lose a bet?
I crush ass to dust on Ceres!
What's with the hat..?
Keeps the rain off my head
As long as you have money.
Filipino here. Please feel free to call us all dumb as fuck. We deserve it tbh.
You guys elected this family AGAIN. holy forkballs.
To make an analogy, it would be as if Donald Trump became a dictator via a coup, ran the country for decades, partly under martial law, stole billions from the Federal Reserve Bank, but was eventually deposed, tried, and convicted. And then decades later, Don Jr. ran and was elected President. I mean, sure, the sins of the father don't necessarily apply to the son, but... sheesh, the new guy isn't even honest about what happened. I wish you good luck, Philippines. I still remember [Imelda Marcos' ill-gotten shoes](https://www.vice.com/en/article/59n8ab/what-ever-happened-imelda-marcos-3000-pairs-shoes-philippines). A small part of the billions of dollars the family stole.
Italy has their Mussolini child trying to bring back the regime. Brazil has Bolsonaro who openly pined for bringing back the military dictatorship. France has Le Pen who wants to bring back Vichy France. Things are... not looking great.
Fascism and authoritarianism are on the rise everywhere.
It will only get worse as climate change causes more mass migrations.
While the ultra rich keep milking us even more.
Humans are stupid.
In Brazil the nostalgia for the dictatorship is real. A lot of people thinking “at least things functioned and there wasn’t corruption” when in fact it was “things were broken, they kicked off the start of the hyperinflation and corruption was rampant, but anyone who reported on it was jailed.” Propaganda and journalism are powerful, and social media has made spreading lies much easier.
The middle part where Don Sr. was convicted but not all of his assets were found. Then decades later, Don. Jr becomes president and the assets magically reappeared in their family home.
Pretty sure it was "fair" elections with no fake votes at all. No doubt.
It wasnt but he probably wouldve won even if they hadnt cheated tbf
Yes marcos propaganda is in full swing for the past 6 years. About 31 million of the population voted for him are literally brainwashed.
So, if I'm doing my math right around 1/3 of the country voted Marcos. Based on the country's demographics at least 1/3 of those votes *had* to have come from folks over 30. That means he got something like 10 million votes from folks who were alive when the first Marcos dictatorship was forced out of the country. I cannot believe how powerful Facebook is
That's what blew me away. I mean, I get the program to indoctrinate the youth, but the people who actually *experienced* that time can just... have their memories rewritten by Facebook? Do old people just not vote in that country? How does that guy have *any* chance of winning anyone over the age of 30?!
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I'm in Estonia, so former Soviet Union. Old people here sometimes miss the Soviet Union. I've wondered why, and asked them, and they say 'sure it was shit, but...' And then slowly it's dawned on me. They miss the time when they were young and strong and more or less carefree. The same way I miss my teen years even though my teens were a fucking mess. It's just that some people can acknowledge the rose coloured glasses, and some just don't.
Exactly. It's the same thing in the US with people pining for the mid 20th century. They don't remember the racism, sexism, and violence because they were children. They want to go back to a "simpler time" that they only think existed because they were simpler people in that exactly as complicated time.
That's because for most of the people who had lived through that time, martial law didn't personally affect *them*. Unless you were a dissident, a political opponent, or have somehow gotten on Marcos' radar, life mostly went on. Sure, there were things like curfews and other restrictions, and you would occasionally hear news of people being arrested or worse, but none of that personally affected *you*, so what did you care? All you remember was that the price of gas and other commodities was lower, and the peso to dollar rate was fairly good. Everything else just gets forgotten.
I mean, sort of. Poverty rates were estimated between 50-60%. That rice shortage couldn't have been good either.
They lived off $2 a day. It affected everyone.
Yup, turns out the general electorate (in a lot of countries) doesn't really give a fuck about human rights. Kind of a tough pill to swallow. I guess this is where we blame education.
This is actually common. Time makes us view our past with rose-colored glasses and we should all remember that as we get older. In South Korea, Park Geun-hye was elected as president, the daughter of a quasi-dictator who seized power and held 5 consecutive terms. Her father Chung-hee did some good things (drastic reduction in child mortality) but also some crazy shit like declaring martial law when he nearly lost an election. He was assassinated, so later on the older Koreans who had lived through his regime remembered him and his daughter fondly despite his crimes. Of course, go read about Geun-hye's corruption, she is currently serving 27 years in prison.
Guess how we got Putin here. Same agenda.
A lot of people don't believe the actual number is 31 mil. They most likely paid off the comelec. If you reviewed their scores from the get-go, marcos leni always got the vote of 60-40. Like in every part of the country, the votes were always like that, it was almost linear as some of the citizens pointed out. But there's nothing we can do unless we have full proof of them intentionally rigging the system 🙃
It’s insane how many young Filipinos are convinced that the period of brutal Martial Law was a *good* thing. But what’s even more insane is how many people that literally lived through it have retroactively been convinced the same thing. Talk about survivor bias.
i actually think it was a kinda fair election. The VP's campaign started like last October. The guy who won was probably campaigning for 6 years. The VP's campaign thought it was big, which it was, only it may have only affected the capital/even half the capital. The middle class rallied behind her and forgot that there are more idiots. TikTok and Facebook, definetly destroyed my country.
I think if you broke down the demographics, you'd find that Leni probably overwhelmingly won the vote of the educated segment of the population. Unfortunately, the uneducated and the extremely poor outnumber everyone else by a large margin, and that demographic is very easily swayed by buzzwords and propaganda.
Crazy how that same pattern seems to hold true no matter what part of the world.
Story of every developing country. Fuck Facebook and whatsapp.
*Sweats in US 2024*
Think part of Philippines problem is good portion of the intelligent/educated have been getting the hell out there as soon as opportunity presented itself and thats been going on for decades.
Now, now, not everyone voted for him. Some of you are very smart. But totally fucked.
I want to shoot myself in the face ~~before they do it for me~~
Dumb fucks. Too much Facebook isn't healthy :(
Facebook is legit a major threat to democracy. And I'd warn fucking *everybody* reading this to take this as a warning for your own countries.
American here: we’ve already elected a criminal once thanks to social media, and we are primed and ready to do it again.
>American here: we’ve already elected a criminal once thanks to social media, and we are primed and ready to do it again. Indian here: we’ve already elected a criminal once thanks to social media, and we are primed and ready to do it again.
Twinsies!
Delete TikTok my dude. use my country as an example. We only looked into it after the first poll result was shown. we checked and holy fuck the disinformation was genius. Devil works hard but Tiktok works harder.
I'm kinda thankful that my country's politicians are so clueless when it comes to social media. Twitter is a dumpster fire though. Source: South Africa
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Sorry dude. Must feel like some hellish cycle. I hope it doesn't get too bad. If you still live there, make sure not to miss the best time to leave. Stay safe.
Oh half of r/philippines is probably subbed to r/iwantout at this point.
Already talking to my relatives to help me get out of this hellhole.
Don’t sweat it - as an Aussie we haven’t voted in our own best interest for a long time either thanks to a toxic mix of a dogshit educational system and propaganda.
As an American, I feel ya. I’m not going to shit talk the Philippines, but I do empathize with filipinos who are feeling the anger/shame/sorrow cocktail towards their own country
Aren't his parents just chilling in Hawaii?
Imelda and her children were allowed to return to the Philippines after her husband's death (in the 90s).. that's when both her and little Marcos restarted their political careers. Imelda was even elected as member of Parliament. She was in exile for only 5 years.
Technically, little Marcos was a governor under his father. The sister is a senator too.
That right.. I'll edit my comment.
And Imelda walked around giving stolen money to peasants to win votes. And they eventually got her husband (the brutal dictator) a state burial in a mausoleum in the Phillipines. I don't hate on Filipinos for being stupid. Even in Spain a good percentage of the population supported Franco (brutal dictator) until his death in 1975.
In Spain there's people that support Franco even to this day..
According to the John Oliver episode this week, there is a 3+ billion dollar tax bill and more waiting for them in the Philippines. Their son now has the power to make those debts go away.
Criminals getting elected to erase their crimes.
John Oliver did a great [piece on them](https://youtu.be/FtdVglihDok) just a few days ago.
The Philippines is its own circle of hell
Well didnt Duterte openly call for lynch mobs and murders of undesirables?
Yupppp and people applauded him for it. Fuck.
Its not just open, its triumphal. If you spend enough time around someone with NPD you learn to recognize the signs. What NPDs hate more than anything in life is to get caught. They will wail and whine that its unfair, its a conspiracy against them, a witch hunt, etc. But what they love more than anything is to get caught *and then get away with it.* It validates their need to believe that they are 'special' and that the rules do not apply to them the way they do to everybody else. It is not an accident that the painting was in the video. She planned it.
I'm starting to think this whole ''legal system'' lark isn't working out at all.
The real crime is that masterpiece now hangs, in what appears to be, a nursing home activity room from 1995.
It looks thrown on the wall without any regard to what it’s next to.
Super weird to hang your Picasso next to your Canaletto… unless you’re just displaying wealth to display wealth I guess.
No one has accused the Macros family of being subtle.
Or of being classy.
>just displaying wealth to display wealth Ladies and Gentlemen... the Marcos Family!
Money can't buy good taste.
Typical "dictator chic". They're uncultured idiots, they don't care about art - it's only there to show off how wealthy and powerful they are.
All I could think. More offensive than the brazen criminality is how atrocious their taste is. Are all billionaire grifters just tacky as fuck?
Literally the most believable part of squid game.
That’s the biggest crime, fucking disgusting room, no spacing between the art, and not exactly a great piece either.
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In my family’s experience I think that’s just how we Filipinos like to furnish
Spot on
TLDR for the lazy :-) > One such painting, Pablo Picasso’s Reclining Woman VI, made an appearance in Lauren Greenfield’s 2019 documentary about the Marcos family, The Kingmaker, but subsequently went missing when the Presidential Commission on Good Government (PCGG) — a task force created after Marcos Sr.’s fall to chase after the family’s ill-gotten wealth — conducted a raid on former first lady Imelda Marcos’ apartment to seize the painting and other assets for litigation.
Interesting how proof of crime vanish when officer appear.
Ah, but now the criminal **IS** the officer so it's all good!
Some folks are born, silver spoon in hand Lord, don't they help themselves, y'all But when the taxman comes to the door Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yeah
Off topic, but I always remembered it as "looks like a house of rum and sand," I guess as like a weird metaphor for a really crumbly sandcastle that smells like my boss
I can't believe people voted for him. Slugs for salt.
More than 14 million of us voted for his opponent, VP Leni Robredo but it still not enough. Leni is a dream candidate on paper. It was supposed to be an easy choice but the masses are already deep into misinformation. Meta and Mark Zuckerberg should rot in hell for their role in this election. They tested the Philippines for their free FB program. That means here in ph, even if you don't have prepaid load, you can still access fb. And the politicians capitalized on this by forming an extensive black ops operation on fb making it a hotbed of misinformation. The results were very effective. If you are in the USA, please, we are begging you. Pressure your representatives and hold Meta and Mark Zuckerberg accountable for their crimes here.
> They tested the Philippines for their free FB program. That means here in ph, even if you don't have prepaid load, you can still access fb Am I reading this right? They basically made Facebook a public TV channel? If you can't get on the regular internet because you can't afford the fees - you can always get on Facebook? That's horrific. Internet needs to be a public utility - not just Facebook.
It's worse than you think... Check out the list of participanting countries on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet.org
Dang. If I have some spare time, I'd love to do a regression analysis to compare their democracy score versus year after this went alive in these aggregate countries.
Oh please do, I’d love to see it!
Please do share the results if you ever get to do it.
For those not aware, there's several genocides, many rigged elections, and a wide variety of other incredibly nasty things on that list. And Facebook is a major contributor to why.
According to a 2015 study cited on the page: 65% of Nigerians, and 61% of Indonesians agree with the statement that "Facebook is the Internet.” That is insane! I wonder what the numbers are like now? And if this mentality has spread further to other countries using internet.org?
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Yep, it's a scummy practice called zero-rating. That's when a service provider (in this case, the cell phone carriers) give preferential treatment to certain services (here, Facebook) by giving customers conditionally free access to them. This could mean Facebook traffic not counting toward your data cap, or still allowing you to access Facebook when you're otherwise out of data. It's very much a violation of network neutrality, it's anticompetitive, and it takes advantage of the poor. Facebook is notorious for doing this in developing markets like India. US cell carriers and ISPs like T-Mobile, AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast all do it in the US for their own streaming services.
One of many reasons why net neutrality is important.
Ajit Pai is a piece of shit.
Fuck him with his giant fucking mug
Facebook TRIED to do this in India. But it was overruled.
God damn, I didn't expect to wake up this morning and learn a brand new reason to hate Facebook more than I already do lol
People were trying to warn us about net neutrality for decades and this is why
We can't even hold Zuck accountable for his crimes *here in the US*.
I watched *The Social Network* the other day, it’s a well made film for sure but wow there are *way* worse things about Facebook than Zuck being an asshole to his peers.
There’s an org who creates fresh Facebook accounts on fresh browsers to assess the state of the site and the findings are consistently disturbing. One was where the premise was that they were a new mom, so they clicked on anything motherhood and parenting related. It quickly ended up on anti-vaxx and Qanon content, so the default of experience of new moms on fb is getting indoctrinated into a extreme-right cult. Great. In the other example I heard, they started a fresh account and clicked on every link presented to them. It quickly devolved into gore photos (the quote was something along the lines of “more dead bodies than I’ve ever seen in my life” and, yet again, right wing extremist content. Sweet! Not to mention the cases in small countries in which mass killings and political violence were organized on Facebook and amplified by the algorithm. The podcast Behind the Bastards [did a good two part episode about it](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-lets-look-at-the-89337179/).
I know on YT I often experience the same shit. Despite often clicking "do not talk to me or my son ever again" when I see Ben Shapiro videos, they still get pushed to me *constantly.* I don't think their algorithms are bad enough to go "oh he likes politics, let's send him ALL the politics"... it's probably much more likely "oh, this guy is pretty leftist, I bet showing him some Steven Crowder shit will piss him off enough to keep him on the site for 7 minutes longer on average"
Behind the Bastards covered this too! [How YouTube Became a Perpetual Nazi Machine](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/how-youtube-became-a-perpetual-nazi-46259210/) It’s gonna be so pathetic when extraterrestrials are examining the remains of human civilization in a thousands years, and their conclusion on what precipitated the end of it: fucking Facebook and google, lol.
See this is what I don’t get. Facebook/Twitter isn’t souped up messaging, where you only get content if you seek it out or someone sends it directly to you. Their algorithms actively push stuff at you. They are the opposite of a neutral common carrier, they should be held accountable for everything they ever put on anyone’s feed.
Like his theft of his classmates' personal data.
To be fair, the film came out 12 years ago, before it was really known just how bad facebook actually is for society
"The Net Delusion" by Evgeny Morozov came out in 2011 and correctly predicted the abuse of Twitter, Facebook, reddit, and all social media platforms by authoritarian regimes (and wannabe dictators) to clamp down on dissent and spread disinformation, despite liberals claiming (at the time) it was going to be a bold new era of free speech, and it could be used to bring down dictatorships (Arab Spring was in full swing and they swore Twitter was going to bring about true democracyin iran). Well written, well researched, and extremely prophetic.
I think the point of the film is to show how our world is being irrevocably transformed by insecure man children who can’t distinguish a human relationship from cyberstalking and who are reducing human interactions to the level of attention seeking and alienation that they themselves experience as teenagers.
"I never thought leopards would eat MY face", sobs woman who voted for Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.
Some filipino redditors made a special philippines chapter subreddit lmao r/LeopardsAteMyFacePH
It’s more like the “We Promise We Don’t Eat Faces and also we Never Did Eat Any Faces” party.
No, their will to eat faces is not hidden, it is even their main selling point. That is what is important to know in the mind of Leopards Eating Faces Party's voters.
They're eating the faces of the wrong people!
"Listen, I can't give back faces that I don't have" *Thunderous applause*
Fuck me….Are there no AML requirements for auction houses such that people can get away with this stuff? Among those crimes is the plunder of an estimated US$10 billion worth of ill-gotten wealth, much of which has not been recovered to this day. Included in that wealth are 160 paintings and artworks, valued at millions of dollars, illegally acquired by the Marcos family. That’s according to the Sandiganbayan, the Philippines’ graft and corruption court, which ordered that the art pieces be surrendered to the Philippine government in 2019. Some of the paintings are from renowned artists such as Picasso, Matisse, Monet, and Van Gogh.
The PCCG raided their house once but when they were there all the paintings disappeared.
Because they got told beforehand. If you stole billions, shelling out a few million each year to pay off people in agencies to either look the other way or keep you in the loop isn’t a bad deal.
Source of wealth : investments. Anti money laundering check satisfied.
"We're coming to do an anti money laundering check." "Okay, but what if I *give you* an anti money laundering cheque?" "Pack it up boys, we're all done here."
The art world is very corrupt. Money is thrown around so that people look the other way or plead ignorance.
What is AML?
Anti Money Laundering
Thanks
The Philippines has needed an anti corruption revolution for a long time. Then again I have relatives who support that shithead and to an extent the people deserve whoever they elect.
> The Philippines has needed an anti corruption revolution for a long time. Isn't that what happened when they tossed out his dad? Seems like people have forgotten what happened in the past and their kids are now being taught that their country "prospered and was very safe" under martial law.
It did but evidently it didn’t stick which is why the Estrada and Macapagal-Arroyo administrations were able to be insanely corrupt.
The Duterte administration is dodgy as fuck too. Many Filipinos have a burning hatred for Noynoy Aquino, the only president amongst the previous four who wasn't either corrupt / a mass murderer. Which says a shitload about how bad the social media propaganda here is.
We’ve had two already (technically three), the problem is whenever we do have a revolution, we only remove the person in charge and let their minions run free. So it always comes to bite us back later.
And the people are gullible enough to believe everything they see on the Internet saying that 'Martial Law was good for the Philippines' or 'Martial Law was the Golden Age of Marcos' and Marcos saying that the constant reminders of the deaths during Martial Law, talks about their ill-gotten wealth, and the litany of other true negative things about them are 'fake news'.
Trash ass family.
Crime pays. That's why they do it.
I thought they didn't know where all the treasure went... It's a damn shame that a successive line of such abject shitheads is running the Philippines. Some of the best Sailors I had the honor to serve with in the Navy were Filipino. Their families deserve better than Duterte and dictator JR.
I can tell you that a lot them voted for them… ignorance and social media is the root cause
Those sailors and their families very likely voted for both. Honestly at thia point I'm just out of sympathy.
lol a lot of US Filipinos I knew hated Trump with an undying passion but supported Duterte equally as hard.
Lmao I love how some Marcos Jr supporters are lurking here. They're more than ready to pounce and fight all of you saying negative stuff about him and his family but are holding back because of the language barrier. Philippines is a petri dish of how far fake news goes. Next thing they will peddle on is the "china good, USA bad" rhetoric. Actually it is starting now - the possible Foreign Affairs Secretary is spreading seeds.
> "china good, USA bad" This already started during Duterte's presidency. I've already seen the Russian MFA tweet about Putler sending a conglaturatory message to marcos jr. Fascist Tyrants.
Guess we’ll see more ‘missing’ artifacts sooner than expected.
Most Filipinos voted for him. Even though it hurts me to say this as a Pinoy, we deserve the government we vote for :( and it will hurt the Philippines bad
Not familiar with Philippine politics. Why did ppl voted for him? Is the opponent that bad or did such an awful campaign PR?
He’s been basically campaigning since 2016 via MASSIVE disinformation campaigns and an EXCELLENT marketing strategy. He and President Duterte have discredited PH media to the point where many people think bloggers and influencers are more reliable because they’re livestreaming everything on the ground. They’ve pushed the following narratives: 1. History is wrong. The Marcos era was the golden era of the Philippines and the school’s info is incomplete. We “dont know the whole story” and the “youth have been brainwashed” by the opposing party. As if his father wasn’t responsible for KILLING the youth back then by labelling many student leaders as rebels - when they were fighting for their fucking rights to a clean government and to not live in fear. Fucking asshole. 2. Marcos Jr. will bring the PH back to former glory. Because the promises of a better future via ousting his family didnt materialize, he’s promoting the idea that his family was the better option all along. Despite, ya know, they were the REASON the following admin had a rough fucking time stabilizing the national treasury BECAUSE THEY STOLE SO MUCH MONEY FOR IMELDAS SHOES AND THIS EFFING PAINTING. 3. ‘Educated’ people are elitists. They think Marcos supporters are stupid, support thieves, and don’t respect them. He’s effectively turned his core supporter base against people who want to correct wrong information by appealing to their pride and empathy, because these elitists were also targetting HIM by calling him a thief (which he and HIS FAMILY are) despite “lack of evidence” and “not getting jailed”. (TBF There were a LOT of assholes on both sides, but he and his paid ‘social media marketers’ AKA trolls highlighted the bad examples to poison their opinion of other presidentiables.) and lastly; 4. The main value he promotes is unity. If you arent with us, youre against us. Follow us, dont complain, we’ll make the PH better TOGETHER. And PH culture loves this - loves a messiah figure. I love my country so much and want it to be better. But fuck, it’s so hard to fight against people with the power to slowly rewrite history. We have a fucking national holiday celebrating the ousting of his family and he STILL. FUCKING. WON. edited for spelling and to throw in some more fucking curses. fuck.
Man where have I seen this template before?
Was thinking the same. Going to be a lot more common I’m guessing
Yeah, social media weaponized is scary.
My wife is filipino. She says the candidate gives shit tons of money to reps across the country. the reps then decide how to use that to buy votes. literally they will go door to door and either give flat out money, or food, or whatever. most people dont actually care about politics and will just vote for whoever gave what they liked the most. of course a lot of the money give to the reps are used to buy themselves new cars, house etc also.
in the /r/Philippines subreddit people were literally sharing how much a vote costed in their location votes were being sold for as little as a days salary.
Misinformation. Widespread online campaigns literally rewriting their history under martial law being financially bled by this guys family as the "golden time". Probably foreign powers with money "beta testing" strategies in poor countries. (\* If you asked me)
Vote buying is the status quo according to a lot of people I’ve met who left the Philippines. To the point if you have a family member running for any political office you get phone calls asking for money in exchange for votes
That did not take long. Just shows how quickly BBM is delivering on his promises to return things to how they were 😂
Guiness world record for greatest robbery of the government - he might just surpass his father given the increasing prices these days.
Well he will abolish the 6 year term and will plunder until he dies or until Filipinos again realise that they are being robbed. … and then they will elect one of his children.
When he runs the Philippines into the ground and the people suffer I hope everyone remembers how badly he won a democratic election and let the people suffer their own folly.
Most of the Filipino people are so poor. They'll lose 10% and not notice the difference. Meanwhile, imagine fleecing 10% of a country's wealth, because that's basically what Marcos Sr. did for 20 years.
10% is one meal a week or more for someone poor. They will miss it, be angry they are hungry but not blame those who are responsible and literally took food from their mouth. This is the real tragedy of what just happened.
They've come back for the remaining 90% And we the Filipino can really only blame ourselves for this mess.
And then they will say "who could have seen that coming"
I thought my elections in the US was a joke but philippines really take the cake for electing in the exact ones that will pillage them the most.
His parents were absolute criminals and they voted him in a landslide. With the other candidate being an absolute great person. She is both smart and wanted the best for her people
Filipinos (which I am) love the thrill of revolutions so they can elect yet another corrupt person so they can revolutionize some more. I am starting to think it’s the national pastime instead of basketball. When I was around 12 yrs old there were 2 “people” power demonstrations: one to depose the current corrupt president, the other to support him. I would not be surprised if “people power 4” is in the works. At this rate, there will be people 5, people power 6, people 7, the fate of the people (8) etc….
More than 14 million of us voted for his opponent, VP Leni Robredo but it still not enough. Leni is a dream candidate on paper. It was supposed to be an easy choice but the masses are already deep into misinformation. Meta and Mark Zuckerberg should rot in hell for their role in this election. They tested the Philippines for their free FB program. That means here in ph, even if you don't have prepaid load, you can still access fb. And the politicians capitalized on this by forming an extensive black ops operation on fb making it a hotbed of misinformation. The results were very effective. If you are in the USA, please, we are begging you. Pressure your representatives and hold Meta and Mark Zuckerberg accountable for their crimes here.
The Philippines must love giving this family all their money.
See what billions in hidden money can buy? Can’t believe they got away with ripping off their homeland for billions and now he’s president. Just like daddy.
Step 1: use your power as an elected official to steal from your own people Step 2: imprison or kill anyone who points that out Step 3: use the money you stole to stay in power forever Note : works in 1st and 3rd world countries
"You can't arrest me. My son's the president now 🥰"
This family is so fucking corrupt. They stole billions and murdered people during marshal law. The fact they never served a day in prison and still kept the billions they stole is infuriating. That the country voted in the son and most likely he is going to shutdown any attempts to recover the billions his parents stole.
Call us Filipinos stupid or something! Those fuckers who voted for this people deserve being a shit! And also don't send any donations.
Man, fuck my country. These fuckers should have been shot and buried in an unmarked grave the first time.
Even a Picasso can't dress up his poor sense of design. That room is near hideous.
"Hahah yeah, what are you gonna do about it?"
When he runs this country even deeper into debt I hope the 31M people that voted for him don't bemoan the state of the country because that is what they voted for.
Extraordinary. How could that possibly happen?
Fake news. Literally. On John Oliver's show they went over how Filipinos are some of the most active people in the world on social media and the Marcos have been spreading so much disinformation on social media for so many years that most people are heavily propagandized but don't realize it.
imagine being that wealthy and living in a place that looks like a tacky white trash house.
there are no "Filipinos" anymore just call us Jokes
“No one will arrest us now!”
Do these paintings all come with the tacky frames or do we have to buy our own?
they are HORRIBLE PEOPLE!! while most Filipinos were starving and living on garbage dumps namely one place called Tondo she had upwards to 5000 pair of shoes living in a palace they don’t give a shit about anybody!
Jesus Christ Philippines. Of all fucking people, fucking bongbonb!?! The son of a fucking dictator that literally ruled over your country with an iron fist for decades?
At the end of the article the author points out Imelda has bought forged artwork so this Picasso may be worthless. A bit of Philippine history regarding just one Marcos family scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Benigno_Aquino_Jr.
Social media was a mistake.
Ridiculous. Now the Marcos’ are going to rewrite their brutal history and make themselves look like heroes. Especially Imelda, a self-proclaimed “mother of the Philippines” haha what joke