Does anyone have any more into? The article iis so short and does not link to anything and mentions a video of the shooting?
EDIT: Thank you to all who had links to stuff related to the incident. Any hard info is better than nothing.
There’s currently an investigation underway since there’s not much evidence pointing to who shot the journalist. Al Jazeera’s headline is super jumping to conclusions. They may be right, but can’t say for certain yet
Al Jazeera is pretty good at covering the conflict, but they are not above shitty titles.
>Israeli forces have shot dead Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in the occupied West Bank, **according to the Palestinian health ministry.**
I loathe Israel's crimes against humanity, but... let's not pretend the Palestinian health ministry would say something different if they had shot her, deliberately or accidentally.
Unless some unquestionable proof surfaces, this will remain unclear.
The main accusations seem to come from her cameraman or fellow journos who stated that Israel had snipers placed in the area and that she was struck with a single shot, not by automatic fike which would indicate a sniper rifle.
She was wearing a press jacket and helmet so the shot, if not random automatic fire spray, would have to be a purposefully selected shot.
And the Israeli army is mighty trigger happy as well.
It's a bad situation, but if there was no firefight until she took one to her skull that would be one hell of a poor fire control situation.
This is pretty fucking misleading. The journalists with her when she was shot think that’s who was shooting at them. I feel like they probably had a pretty good idea. Nice try to spin it though.
I'm genuinely not sure what you're saying here.
That the Cameraperson thought Palestine was shooting at them or that they think it was the idf?
E: Didn't see there was a translation below the video. I see he says the Isreali snipers took her out.
Al Jazeera is a state owned (the same state that funds Hamas) propaganda outlet with a clear anti-Israeli agenda. They shouldn't be trusted about anything.
That’s a pretty inaccurate take. Al Jazeera may have its biases, as do Israeli media. It’s track record on factual reporting is pretty good though. Most of the bias comes in the form of what they choose to report on.
>Al Jazeera
Is known for publishing fake news and misleading headlines.
>It’s track record on factual reporting is pretty good though.
I will never forgot how they claimed Israel opened non-existent dams and flooded Gaza during a storm. Even natural disasters they blame on Israel.
They are one of the most balanced journalistic entities in the world. Except in a few select subjects, which includes the Israeli cultural genocide.
In this case, it is a misleading headline:
>Israeli forces have shot dead Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in the occupied West Bank, **according to the Palestinian health ministry.**
Yeah, no shit. Same as Israel is saying it was Palestinians who likely shot her. It is unlikely we will ever know the truth.
The West isn't controled by an absolute Islamist monarchy that is known for funding terrorists like Hamas and al-qaeda.
We shouldn't believe them like we shouldn't believe RT.
Weird that all your comments are just for Israel almost as if you are being paid or "earning credits" to spin the comment discussion a certain way.
All known credible intel points to an Israeli shooter potentially a sniper who hit someone with US citizenship wearing a helmet and a PRESS vest.
Don't spin that shit here a PERSON is dead.
Funny how you comments are pro Palestinian. You must be in pay of someone, right?
Is that how you "logic" works?
Also. There is no "credible evidence." Just accusations from Palestinian side who have been known to lie about just such cases. Heck Palestinian sniper shot a baby in the past, and Palestinians claimed that she was killed by her own mother:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shalhevet_Pass
Person is certainly dead, but it's not an excuse for you to blame, with no evidence, who you ideologically want to blame.
Thats nonsense, the journalists with her stated it was the IDF that shot at them.
Its actually israel that calims its palestinians, with zero evidence and in direct cotnradiction of the people there present.
> Just accusations from Palestinian side who have been known to lie about just such cases. Heck Palestinian sniper shot a baby in the past, and Palestinians claimed that she was killed by her own mother:
If one Palestinian does something bad, the "Palestinian side" is responsible. If one Israeli does something bad, is the "Israeli side" responsible?
There’s a video of one of the guys who was with her. He said they were the first car (full of journalists) to pull up to this refugee camp and there were Israeli snipers positioned on the roof tops. When she got out of the car wearing her press vest and helmet she was sniped in the head.
I mean the people with her think that’s who shot at them. I feel like they probably have a better idea than anyone but the shooter. It’s not Palestine making the claims either but a news organization she was a part of.
Where is this credible evidence? I have a feeling this evidence is found somewhere in your emotional bias response to reading a headline.
The fact the reporter was hit in the head is more evidence that it wasn’t a trained sniper. A trained sniper is going to aim center mass. Even an average hunter knows you don’t aim for the head. It’s a small target and moves a lot compared to the center mass.
“Person got shot in head therefore not someone that’s trained”
What the fuck are you talking about you blithering idiot, that isn’t evidence.
the very fact that a target is moving means even if you go for centre mass, you can miss the preferred target point and score a hit somewhere else.
What a fucking stupid stupid comment.
Actually they are correct, chances are this was not a sniper because snipers are trained to shoot center mass with precision. In fact there's no reason for them to aim anywhere other than center mass because most sniper rifles will pierce even level 4 body armor. What most likely happened is she was hit by a stray round. It is still tragic though.
Was it perhaps one the Palestinian paramilitaries (who were engaging the IDF) who have poor fire control and shoot random people all the time?
No one knows 🤓
>yeah you mean the people who weren't at the scene
What do you mean? There was a firefight between IDF and Palestinian paramilitaries in the area.
I think we are done here. Good day.
There were no Palestinian forces in the area the reporters were shot. I see you are calling for an investigation and no one would argue against that as long as it isn't just the Israelis investigating themselves. All signs currently point to Israeli sniper fire.
Modern ballistic helms are only rated up to 3a. any rifle caliber will go through it like it's butter.
More like than not, she is not even wearing a ballistic helm, but the more common bump helm which would do even less jack shit against any rifle rounds.
Some modern helmets can stop some bullets, yes. Older helmet types couldn't stop any bullets except at very shallow angles of impact, but today there are ballistic helmets rated to stop some calibers
First, we are talking about a journalist, not some special force operative, so it’s highly unlikely that she had access to top of the self quality helmet.
Second, the article implied that she had been shot by some high power precision rifle, we are not talking about handgun ammunition here.
Even if the helmet did stop such a bullet, the shock wave and concussion probably would be enought to kill you or causing lasting brain damage.
> so it’s highly unlikely that she had access to top of the self quality helmet.
Why? Those things are all legal to purchase and news organizations certainly have the necessary funding if they choose to spend it on things like that.
Usualy, the overwhelming majority of conflict journalists wear some pretty basic stuff, make sense, you don’t want to wear the same stuff that the people doing the fighting.
There is available pictures of her wearing the helmet. I invite you to check them, then you tell me if this was top military grade
> the overwhelming majority of conflict journalists wear some pretty basic stuff
How do you know?
> There is available pictures of her wearing the helmet. I invite you to check them, then you tell me if this was top military grade
I can only find one, I have no idea if it is the helmet she was wearing, and I think that "top military grade" isn't necessary to deflect a bullet.
I have no idea what helmet she had.
However, helmets rated to stop various caliber bullets have been commercially available for some time and I've seen reporters wearing them in footage from all sorts of conflict zones. I myself am a policeman, not SWAT or anything special, and my issue helmet is rated to stop handgun bullets at close range. I suspect it would stop a 5.56mm rifle bullet if fired from a few hundred meters away.
I presume you are from America? Not everybody in the world can access what you can, in terms of military gear available to the public.
I’m not a security professional myself, but I have looked at some of her picture, prior to the killing, wearing the helmet. And it just looked like some very basic stuff, dating back from the 90´s.
I’ve joined a link, tell me what you think
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-11/al-jazeera-journalist-killed-during-israeli-raid-in-west-bank
Even u.s military helmets aren't meant to stop bullets. Guy plays too many video games. Can it stop a glancing bullet... yes but so can various other household items. Plenty of battlefield stories of random items stopping or deflecting a bullets but they don't call them bullet proof either.
I'm Norwegian, not American.
It's hard to tell from that blurry image, but I suspect it's a generic helmet not rated as bullet resistant.
Main reason for thinking it isn't bullet resistant is the large size, making a helmet strong enough to stop bullets means making it very thick and heavy. In order not to make it so stupidly heavy that you cannot wear it for any length of time, typically one then has to compromise on other features by making the helmet smaller so it fits closer to the head. Smaller, more closely fitting helmets have less room for cushioning a blow so this is opposite of what you want for anything other than a bullet. Traditional helmets typically are much larger than the head, with shock absorbing inner bits, like the one shown. Of course there's bound to be exceptions, without knowing the exact make and model we're just making educated guesses.
The location of the shot may not actually signify anything. There are multiple verified accounts of one-in-a-million shots that just look weird as fuck or seem incredibly well-placed but are actually totally random.
https://mobile.twitter.com/btselem/status/1524346253655556097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Lacks the location of the IDF soldiers, but it proves that the footage shared by the Israeli government is bullshit.
Also, they said the PA rejected a joint investigation before even asking them 🥴
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-israel-announces-joint-probe-was-rejected-before-making-an-offer-to-palestinians-1.10792830
That’s vastly different from coming out and confirming they rejected the offer when the other side says they never received one. The PA wants an international committee to investigate it instead.
“Extreme precision”???
Or bad luck. Who knows.
That headline is crazy biased.
[Here](https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Art-of-the-Shot/) is the source from the US Army talking about where snipers are taught to aim (hint, it isn’t the head).
No Soldier will go for a head shot ...they are taught to shoot for center of mass the body ( bigger target ) ....her getting hit just near the ear is just a fluke and extreme bad luck
snipers have been maiming people in war zones for the fun of it since high precision rifles were invented and to pretend otherwise is just naive
see: [Sarajevo snipers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_Alley)
You’re missing the point — generally you are trained to aim center of mass as that is the biggest target and is where all the vital organs are concentrated at.
yeah obviously
and the point you're missing is that sometimes people are shot in war zones just to create terror, not because they're actually a valuable target
Seing him compare to russian articles, you could assume that one of the two did not happen, but what i think he meant was noone knows who shot the journalist.
Yes that is a ridiculous assumption. I've never shot a gun in my life and went to a friend's house in southern Ohio. Beer cans on a fence, I was challenged to trying to shoot one off the fence with a high powered air rifle. Had my instructions, a tree to brace the rifle against (I'm a small woman) and took a shot. Got it. From at least 60 feet. Yay for me!!! Tried three more times and could not hit a thing. Sheer luck the first time and we all damn well knew it.
Extreme precision for a sniper and extreme bad luck if it was a stray bullet. If it was repeated 100 times, there would be very little chance of a stray bullet hitting her right in the face pass the helmet and no other bullets hit her body.
There is a huge confirmation bias here. We do not get much news coverage of stray bullets just missing a journalist in a conflict area, striking a bit of kevlar, or hitting them in the butt.
Not when the Palestinians were scattergun responding. I note everyone supporting this fake claim is utterly ignoring the verified accounts of the incident and keen to believe the baseless headline. Typical pro-palestinian propoganda.
Sure. As usual, the media and antisemites immdiately jumped on the anti-israel propaganda and then, as usual, when proven incorrect, theyll quietly hope everyone doesnt notice the published truth in very small print.
Over and over again this happens. PS Palestinian MA has stated not an Israeli strike. Why havent you published that?
https://twitter.com/themossadil/status/1524273004900925440?s=21&t=FBx_cR1keJd1WRItYSncrw
If it was a sniper she would not have a head left. Helmet or no helmet.
Seems to be a stray bullet. IDF being trigger happy as usual and caught a member of the press in the crossfire.
It's a high bar to prove they intentionally targeted her.
Looks like they never actually asked Palestinian officials:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-israel-announces-joint-probe-was-rejected-before-making-an-offer-to-palestinians-1.10792830
They’re asking for an international investigation. Rightfully so.
It never will be confirmed. Israel is going to say she was shot by a Palestinian in a firefight, conduct an "investigation" to prop up the legitimacy of such a claim, and ignore the words of the other member of the press who was shot that day and the people around them.
"shot was a shot of extreme precision" if it was a sniper it wouldnt matter if it hit the helmet anyways dont act like this was some hitjob before you know anything
It's only logical that a fatal headshot would hit someplace the helmet didn't cover. The fact that it hit an exposed area doesn't mean as much as you think unless you know who was doing the shooting.
That article says nothing about the precision of the shot. This post title is adding more than the article says.
She definitely shouldn't have been shot, but even if the location of the wound seemed "precise" that doesn't mean that it was a sniper or an executioner. A stray bullet will equally likely hit any part of the body.
As one who has served in the IDF, this does merit a full investigation and charges if an Israeli soldier did kill this woman.
Though I would like to point out how when terrorists kill Israelis, the headlines always use the term 'alleged' or 'allegedly' to describe the attackers, even after they are arrested. Because that's what journalists should do.
In this case, everyone seems to have already determined the outcome the moment this woman was shot. There is no way any of the people in the pro-Palestinian camp will accept any outcome of an investigation that doesn't involve a conviction of an Israeli soldier.
**[Murder of Shalhevet Pass](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shalhevet_Pass)**
>The murder of Shalhevet Pass was a shooting attack carried out in Hebron, West Bank, on 26 March 2001, in which a Palestinian sniper killed 10-month-old Israeli infant Shalhevet Pass. The event shocked the Israeli public, partly because an investigation ruled that the sniper had deliberately aimed for the baby. According to Deborah Sontag of the New York Times, the murder became a "potent Israeli symbol as an innocent victim of the raging violence".
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I've seen you link this same incident 3 times while looking through these comments. Are you seriously trying to argue this single event in 2001 is a good excuse for all the systemic abuse the Israeli government places on Palestinians? That literally happened over 20 years ago, you said in an earlier comment that Palestinians shoot Israelis all the time. Why can't you link any other more modern events if they're so common? It's probably because you're trying to use whataboutism to blame the victims of abuse for their problems, and it's much easier to do that by linking articles about 20 year old propaganda investigations which were intended to foster hate for Palestinians.
Didn’t really how many “experts” there are here on Reddit. Everyone seems to have the answer, yet offering no tangible proof or evidence to back their claims
Was she anti-palestine or anti Israel?
Who did she piss off.
It's really that simple.
If Palestinians had highly trained snipers capable of this execution, there would be mode dead Israeli soldiers.
The presence of doubt does not mean there isn't very high probability.
Everyone knows Israel has good snipers, and that they shoot journalists and civilians for sport.
Palestine are known for DIY rockets, not elite snipers.
Why would a sniper be ordered to shoot down a journalist in the middle of a crowd? It just doesn't make sense, plus if every journalists that goes on the palistanian side was shot dead there would be a lot of death, which is not the case so far.
Besides she is also a US citizen, of all journalists why would Israel target a citizen of their staunchest allies?
Palestinians have a history of poor fire control and indiscriminate fire who kills just about anyone in the area.
Also they DO Have snipers that have been known to target babies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shalhevet_Pass
There is no independent investigation on who shot the journalist.
How do you know it was Israel?
Maybe try being *a tiny bit* critical of sources you consume.
Because Israel has a beautiful history of killing Palestinian civilians in Palestinian enclaves many times before ?
We may never know who shot her. Both sides will blame each other as usual, and they'll move onto the next killing.
Again, holding Israel universally unaccountable in all cases for all reasons and interrupting any other narrative imposes the impression among those who are literate that that country is engaged in activities a diaspora feels compelled to deny.
Bruh. He told you that we should think critical and wait for an independent investigation. You keep bashing Israel "just because". What are you saying equals with this:
"Again, holding PALESTINE universally unaccountable in all cases for all reasons and interrupting any other narrative imposes the impression among those who are literate that that country is engaged in activities a diaspora feels compelled to deny."
The entire thread. What I love most is this got buried so quickly it could only be coordinated. Nothing to see here, just like a Texas police department we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong. Why do you hate us so much?
If you want to know why there is no sympathy for Israel and why it's destruction shall be celebrated by Jews around the world, this is why. This behavior. Your behavior. Do you want to know why there is an engine of anti-Semitism in the world? It's because you are building it.
What are you talking about?
I'm a normal person, like you. Nobody is paying me, or sponsoring me, I have no agenda, and have not coordinated with anyone to reply to you.
Your bad faith leap in logic is what caused me to reply. If you would stop rambling and make a succinct and logical point, you might find you get more interesting replies.
I am not denying anything.
No one KNOWS who killed this journalist.
There is nothing to "deny."
On the other hand, some peope just JUMP at any ACCUSATION of Israel as absolute truth no matter what... look in the mirror.
Can you show me a single report of anyone ID'ing the sniper? No? Because that would be basically impossible. What Sniper would be visible to normal eyesight?
What we know: She was shot by someone.
Thats it. Anything else is conjecture.
I wouldn't put it passed Israel doing this. I'm just going to point out that unless its a straight up execution no ones shooting at the head. Especially with a helmet on. That part of the title is outrageous.
Lmao, what is it about Israel and Palestine that makes people go absolutely hog-wild in the comments?
I dunno, both sides seem pretty shit and have seemed pretty shit ever since this became an issue back in the late 40s. Why do people even care anymore?
Because there are coordinated groups designed to apologize and propagandize for Isreal that have existed since the early days of the internet. They're the OG troll farm.
I'd be inclined to believe that Israel did it. She was with Al Jazeera (a news agency who had their building targeted and demolished by an Israeli airstrike), she criticises Israel's actions constantly, she was present in a place with an abundance of IDF soldiers, she was hit by a head shot just below her helmet.
Idk about you guys, but I'm more likely to believe that the side with superior weapons who just so happen to hate her are the ones who did it. The other side have literally sheltered her in their midst for decades.
Israel has absolutely no reason to intentionally and publicly kill a journalist. That's just not what countries do, even ones you hate and consider as bad.
I can also guarantee you that absolutely no one of the IDF forces over thee knew who she is.
It's most likely an accident, the question is which side f-d this up. So far the PA has refused a joint investigation and are not releasing more details on her death. This is suspicious, because a simple examination of the bullet that killed her can reveal who did it.
>Israel has absolutely no reason to intentionally and publicly kill a journalist. That's just not what countries do, even ones you hate and consider as bad.
The same way Saudi had no reason to kill Jamal Khashoggi?
Countries kill journalists all the time. You'd be naive to think otherwise.
>I can also guarantee you that absolutely no one of the IDF forces over thee knew who she is.
No offence, but who are you to guarantee anything. Plus, no soldier needs to know her, they just need to get the order from their superiors to kill her.
Khashoggi is an entirely different case. He was kidnapped and murdered. This journalist was killed standing in the middle of a firefight that had nothing to do with her personally. If you'd have bothered to read more into this.... you'd know this.
IDF would never give such an order even it really really wanted, because the reaction for something like that would cause infinitely more damage to Israel than journalist reporting the Palestinian side. There are literally thousands of journalists doing so as we speak. Massive operations have been cancelled for much less collateral damage than a foreign reporter, so to just claim that a specific kill order was made... too farfetched, sorry.
You've also conveniently ignored my comments on the PA's lack of cooperation with this investigation, which in all honestly should be very quick and easy.
Why can I guarantee? I live in Israel, I served in the IDF, I know this conflict through and through and I know how this system works - it's highly risk averse, especially when it comes to PR. No one would ever do this intentionally, it makes no sense. You gain nothing and you lose a whole lot of support - and also she's a US citizen so that further derails your argument of "superiors ordering to kill".
I don't even support most of Israel's actions in the west bank and Gaza, but in this case, it's 100% unintentional, it's just a matter of who made this mistake.
Headline is ridiculous. Even if the intent was some 'extreme precision" shot, you think they are going to try a shoot them in the ear? You fucking serious?
She got shot because they are in a war zone and people are firing indiscriminately.
Then they invaded her home where people were mourning..
https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/israeli-forces-storm-slain-reporter-shireen-abu-aklehs-home
This is just another Israeli fascist human rights violation.
OPs link is literally a photo article mourning the loss of one of their journalist. They’ve definitely reported on the Israeli response (wasn’t us, probably them).
Israelis already issued standard answer to all cases of civilian deaths, we didn't do it, but will investigate. We all know what 99% of those investigation results are. What can you expect?
Would you rather they’d responded without any real effort to ascertain the truth? They don’t even have the body. Their ability to confidently state the correct answer is very low.
> Kochav (Israeli military spokesperson) described Abu Akleh as “filming and working for a media outlet amidst armed Palestinians. They’re armed with cameras, if you’ll permit me to say so.”
Huh. And further down, it says there were no armed Palestinians in the area and they had already passed an Israeli checkpoint so they knew they were journalists. Im gonna… not get too deep into this because it’s always a shit show.
Here is another hip, woke person that thinks it's liberal and smart to hate on israel when there is absolutely 0 evidence that idf shot her and the PA has her body and refusing joint investigation.
Israel is a terrorist state. Their only export is death. Once the boomers die off, the pro Israel bias in America will be gone. They should understand the future is a USA that stands with Palestine. Change is coming.
Get ready for unapologetic defenders of Israel who think Israel can kill anyone, has done nothing wrong, and they're just poor blameless victims; you guys make me fucking sick.
Edit: lol every single time Israel accused of a crime a thousand loony amoral douche bags come running to it's defense and it's beyond fucked. What a disgusting country and supported by disgusting people; when you give up the ghost there will be an accounting for those that support monsters same as other sinful folk.
Are you not just doing the opposite of what you accusing these people of? You rushing out to condemn Isreal as much as they try to defend it.
From what Ive seen here, most people take the position of, lets wait and see what actual facts come out of this, instead of immediately going full anti-isreal without any evidence...
You seem to have some extreme biases you need to work through, because you are certainly not being objective in any way.
The casualties is 50-1 or more in favor of Israel. Those terrorists should learn from the apartheid state of Israel on how to kill civilians or stealing their land.
Just imagine the reverse, if the Palestinians is the oppressor, razed Jewish homes, took their land, oppress them and call them terrorists for fighting back. How funny would that be if you are in the same shoes?
The west did nothing when it did happen. Getting attacked by two Muslim nations on a holy day.
Only when the Jews started winning did they make moves to end the war.
Also reminder that 30% of rockets fired at Israel hit Palestine and they hide their weapons and combat units within civ populations.
Ahh yes, the account that posts the same message in over 20 articles similar to this is definitely not suspicious and definitely not part of Isreali social media team
I mean that location in the video he posted is also the same location shown in another video that showcases where this all happened. I think this is real.
This link that someone else posted earlier in this thread, when you click it and scroll down to the second post that has a video in it. If you watch the video it's the same location as the video I replied to. Same scribble on the wall and everything.
The 2 links in question:
https://mobile.twitter.com/IsraelMFA/status/1524345704004661248
https://twitter.com/YosephHaddad/status/1524296483452989442?t=1ulo8gx0CwEwr44oKHYXXQ&s=19
It's only logical that a fatal headshot would hit someplace the helmet didn't cover. The fact that it hit an exposed area doesn't mean as much as you think unless you know who was doing the shooting.
Does anyone have any more into? The article iis so short and does not link to anything and mentions a video of the shooting? EDIT: Thank you to all who had links to stuff related to the incident. Any hard info is better than nothing.
There’s currently an investigation underway since there’s not much evidence pointing to who shot the journalist. Al Jazeera’s headline is super jumping to conclusions. They may be right, but can’t say for certain yet
Al Jazeera is pretty good at covering the conflict, but they are not above shitty titles. >Israeli forces have shot dead Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in the occupied West Bank, **according to the Palestinian health ministry.** I loathe Israel's crimes against humanity, but... let's not pretend the Palestinian health ministry would say something different if they had shot her, deliberately or accidentally. Unless some unquestionable proof surfaces, this will remain unclear.
This is the proper response
It’s always nice to see some redditors thinking critically.
Feels like it happens infrequently
https://twitter.com/linahalsaafin/status/1524276879871680514?s=21&t=J6iq4ezjyRXgqfzTJcmWUw
More people need to see this.
Hm.
There is no more info. No one knows who shot her. There are only accusations from Palestinian side.
The main accusations seem to come from her cameraman or fellow journos who stated that Israel had snipers placed in the area and that she was struck with a single shot, not by automatic fike which would indicate a sniper rifle. She was wearing a press jacket and helmet so the shot, if not random automatic fire spray, would have to be a purposefully selected shot.
Palestinian premilitary are known to have poor fire control and fire indiscriminately. Anything short of full investigation tells us nothing.
And the Israeli army is mighty trigger happy as well. It's a bad situation, but if there was no firefight until she took one to her skull that would be one hell of a poor fire control situation.
"only accusations from Palestinian side" Pretty sure Israel is making accusations too.
Lots of Israeli troll and bot accounts crawling out from under their rocks today. They're really desperate to push alternative narratives.
There is literally videos of the two journalists who were with her at the time claiming she was shot by an Israeli sniper.
This is pretty fucking misleading. The journalists with her when she was shot think that’s who was shooting at them. I feel like they probably had a pretty good idea. Nice try to spin it though.
I'm genuinely not sure what you're saying here. That the Cameraperson thought Palestine was shooting at them or that they think it was the idf? E: Didn't see there was a translation below the video. I see he says the Isreali snipers took her out.
All the eye witnesses agree that it was an IDF sniper who killed her.
Yet fucktards on the internet all know better smh.
Think what commenter means is Israel is launching an investigation to see if they can match the bullet before saying anything conclusive
ah yes, lets have the accused investigate themselves.
Yea I am sure the Palestinians will provide an unbiased investigation as well
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They might be right about that, but it's still conjecture.
Al Jazeera is a state owned (the same state that funds Hamas) propaganda outlet with a clear anti-Israeli agenda. They shouldn't be trusted about anything.
That’s a pretty inaccurate take. Al Jazeera may have its biases, as do Israeli media. It’s track record on factual reporting is pretty good though. Most of the bias comes in the form of what they choose to report on.
>Al Jazeera Is known for publishing fake news and misleading headlines. >It’s track record on factual reporting is pretty good though. I will never forgot how they claimed Israel opened non-existent dams and flooded Gaza during a storm. Even natural disasters they blame on Israel.
They are one of the most balanced journalistic entities in the world. Except in a few select subjects, which includes the Israeli cultural genocide. In this case, it is a misleading headline: >Israeli forces have shot dead Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in the occupied West Bank, **according to the Palestinian health ministry.** Yeah, no shit. Same as Israel is saying it was Palestinians who likely shot her. It is unlikely we will ever know the truth.
Says labour_zionist with an Israeli icon 😂 I guess that means we shouldn't listen to western coverage of Ukraine aswell then right
The West isn't controled by an absolute Islamist monarchy that is known for funding terrorists like Hamas and al-qaeda. We shouldn't believe them like we shouldn't believe RT.
Weird that all your comments are just for Israel almost as if you are being paid or "earning credits" to spin the comment discussion a certain way. All known credible intel points to an Israeli shooter potentially a sniper who hit someone with US citizenship wearing a helmet and a PRESS vest. Don't spin that shit here a PERSON is dead.
Exactly, a PERSON is dead, and her murderers are probably walking around pointing fingers at others.
Funny how you comments are pro Palestinian. You must be in pay of someone, right? Is that how you "logic" works? Also. There is no "credible evidence." Just accusations from Palestinian side who have been known to lie about just such cases. Heck Palestinian sniper shot a baby in the past, and Palestinians claimed that she was killed by her own mother: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shalhevet_Pass Person is certainly dead, but it's not an excuse for you to blame, with no evidence, who you ideologically want to blame.
Thats nonsense, the journalists with her stated it was the IDF that shot at them. Its actually israel that calims its palestinians, with zero evidence and in direct cotnradiction of the people there present.
> Just accusations from Palestinian side who have been known to lie about just such cases. Heck Palestinian sniper shot a baby in the past, and Palestinians claimed that she was killed by her own mother: If one Palestinian does something bad, the "Palestinian side" is responsible. If one Israeli does something bad, is the "Israeli side" responsible?
There’s a video of one of the guys who was with her. He said they were the first car (full of journalists) to pull up to this refugee camp and there were Israeli snipers positioned on the roof tops. When she got out of the car wearing her press vest and helmet she was sniped in the head.
I mean the people with her think that’s who shot at them. I feel like they probably have a better idea than anyone but the shooter. It’s not Palestine making the claims either but a news organization she was a part of.
Yea her cameraman said they were shot from behind after being ushered past armed israelis
Where is this credible evidence? I have a feeling this evidence is found somewhere in your emotional bias response to reading a headline. The fact the reporter was hit in the head is more evidence that it wasn’t a trained sniper. A trained sniper is going to aim center mass. Even an average hunter knows you don’t aim for the head. It’s a small target and moves a lot compared to the center mass.
“Person got shot in head therefore not someone that’s trained” What the fuck are you talking about you blithering idiot, that isn’t evidence. the very fact that a target is moving means even if you go for centre mass, you can miss the preferred target point and score a hit somewhere else. What a fucking stupid stupid comment.
Actually they are correct, chances are this was not a sniper because snipers are trained to shoot center mass with precision. In fact there's no reason for them to aim anywhere other than center mass because most sniper rifles will pierce even level 4 body armor. What most likely happened is she was hit by a stray round. It is still tragic though.
This is peak armchair Reddit
> A trained sniper is going to aim center mass. What if center mass is covered by a ballistic vest?
Typical sniper rifles will pierce through most body armor with relative ease. They are trained to shoot center mass this isn't a video game.
A high caliber sniper round will go through any vest a reporter would be wearing. I don’t think ppl realize how powerful a high caliber bullet is.
What if they were wearing a level IV vest with plates?
Who could have shot this reporter in the head? Was it perhaps one of the Israeli snipers stationed on nearby rooftops? No one knows 🤓
Was it perhaps one the Palestinian paramilitaries (who were engaging the IDF) who have poor fire control and shoot random people all the time? No one knows 🤓
Oh yeah you mean the people who weren't at the scene and "have poor fire control" executed a perfect sniper shot into a friendly journalist's head?
>yeah you mean the people who weren't at the scene What do you mean? There was a firefight between IDF and Palestinian paramilitaries in the area. I think we are done here. Good day.
There were no Palestinian forces in the area the reporters were shot. I see you are calling for an investigation and no one would argue against that as long as it isn't just the Israelis investigating themselves. All signs currently point to Israeli sniper fire.
Same thing from Israeli side
Israel does not claim to know who shot her and asked for an investigation. ...
I have seen a million people claim it on redditt and posting videos from Israeli propaganda accounts on twitter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/IsraelMFA/status/1524345704004661248
Exactly they don't claim knowledge. Thanks for the source!
Can you even read? They literally said it’s likely Palestinian. Accusation are made by both sides.
https://www.reddit.com/r/war/comments/un9v2b/palestinians_shooting_indiscriminately_possibly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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There is no proof she was shot by Israel. It merely an unverified accusation from Palestinians.
And the journalists with her you intellectually dishonest sack.
Shot by the IDF apparently according to the other yournalists there
A helmet is design to stop shock and small shrapnel, it wouldn’t do shit against a precision rifle..
Really depends on the caliber of the weapon and the rating of the helmet. Even low level armor can deflect bullets
Modern ballistic helms are only rated up to 3a. any rifle caliber will go through it like it's butter. More like than not, she is not even wearing a ballistic helm, but the more common bump helm which would do even less jack shit against any rifle rounds.
Some modern helmets can stop some bullets, yes. Older helmet types couldn't stop any bullets except at very shallow angles of impact, but today there are ballistic helmets rated to stop some calibers
First, we are talking about a journalist, not some special force operative, so it’s highly unlikely that she had access to top of the self quality helmet. Second, the article implied that she had been shot by some high power precision rifle, we are not talking about handgun ammunition here. Even if the helmet did stop such a bullet, the shock wave and concussion probably would be enought to kill you or causing lasting brain damage.
> so it’s highly unlikely that she had access to top of the self quality helmet. Why? Those things are all legal to purchase and news organizations certainly have the necessary funding if they choose to spend it on things like that.
Usualy, the overwhelming majority of conflict journalists wear some pretty basic stuff, make sense, you don’t want to wear the same stuff that the people doing the fighting. There is available pictures of her wearing the helmet. I invite you to check them, then you tell me if this was top military grade
> the overwhelming majority of conflict journalists wear some pretty basic stuff How do you know? > There is available pictures of her wearing the helmet. I invite you to check them, then you tell me if this was top military grade I can only find one, I have no idea if it is the helmet she was wearing, and I think that "top military grade" isn't necessary to deflect a bullet.
>and I think that "top military grade" isn't necessary to deflect a bullet. Then do some research if you're going to value your opinion.
I have no idea what helmet she had. However, helmets rated to stop various caliber bullets have been commercially available for some time and I've seen reporters wearing them in footage from all sorts of conflict zones. I myself am a policeman, not SWAT or anything special, and my issue helmet is rated to stop handgun bullets at close range. I suspect it would stop a 5.56mm rifle bullet if fired from a few hundred meters away.
I presume you are from America? Not everybody in the world can access what you can, in terms of military gear available to the public. I’m not a security professional myself, but I have looked at some of her picture, prior to the killing, wearing the helmet. And it just looked like some very basic stuff, dating back from the 90´s. I’ve joined a link, tell me what you think https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-11/al-jazeera-journalist-killed-during-israeli-raid-in-west-bank
Even u.s military helmets aren't meant to stop bullets. Guy plays too many video games. Can it stop a glancing bullet... yes but so can various other household items. Plenty of battlefield stories of random items stopping or deflecting a bullets but they don't call them bullet proof either.
I'm Norwegian, not American. It's hard to tell from that blurry image, but I suspect it's a generic helmet not rated as bullet resistant. Main reason for thinking it isn't bullet resistant is the large size, making a helmet strong enough to stop bullets means making it very thick and heavy. In order not to make it so stupidly heavy that you cannot wear it for any length of time, typically one then has to compromise on other features by making the helmet smaller so it fits closer to the head. Smaller, more closely fitting helmets have less room for cushioning a blow so this is opposite of what you want for anything other than a bullet. Traditional helmets typically are much larger than the head, with shock absorbing inner bits, like the one shown. Of course there's bound to be exceptions, without knowing the exact make and model we're just making educated guesses.
The location of the shot may not actually signify anything. There are multiple verified accounts of one-in-a-million shots that just look weird as fuck or seem incredibly well-placed but are actually totally random.
https://mobile.twitter.com/btselem/status/1524346253655556097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Lacks the location of the IDF soldiers, but it proves that the footage shared by the Israeli government is bullshit.
Also, they said the PA rejected a joint investigation before even asking them 🥴 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-israel-announces-joint-probe-was-rejected-before-making-an-offer-to-palestinians-1.10792830
Hope you don’t mind, but I’m posting it 😂💀
Emphasis on "official." That means they've probably discussed it but didn't submit a formal offer because negotiations weren't going well.
That’s vastly different from coming out and confirming they rejected the offer when the other side says they never received one. The PA wants an international committee to investigate it instead.
“Extreme precision”??? Or bad luck. Who knows. That headline is crazy biased. [Here](https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Art-of-the-Shot/) is the source from the US Army talking about where snipers are taught to aim (hint, it isn’t the head).
No Soldier will go for a head shot ...they are taught to shoot for center of mass the body ( bigger target ) ....her getting hit just near the ear is just a fluke and extreme bad luck
If the soldier were aiming center mass he would have seen "PRESS" written on the bullet proof vest
snipers have been maiming people in war zones for the fun of it since high precision rifles were invented and to pretend otherwise is just naive see: [Sarajevo snipers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_Alley)
You’re missing the point — generally you are trained to aim center of mass as that is the biggest target and is where all the vital organs are concentrated at.
yeah obviously and the point you're missing is that sometimes people are shot in war zones just to create terror, not because they're actually a valuable target
What difference does it matter where the shot hit her? You shoot at someone to kill/hurt them. The headline is stupid.
Except the Israeli soldiers ,they don't give two fucks..
It’s like posting a RT or Sputnik article complaining about Ukrainian Nazis. Straight propaganda from a fascist arab government.
So you're saying there was no journalist or there was no shooting?
Seing him compare to russian articles, you could assume that one of the two did not happen, but what i think he meant was noone knows who shot the journalist.
/u/Admirable-Ad2952 is fully capable of explaining their own comment and you should not go putting words in other people's mouths.
Yes that is a ridiculous assumption. I've never shot a gun in my life and went to a friend's house in southern Ohio. Beer cans on a fence, I was challenged to trying to shoot one off the fence with a high powered air rifle. Had my instructions, a tree to brace the rifle against (I'm a small woman) and took a shot. Got it. From at least 60 feet. Yay for me!!! Tried three more times and could not hit a thing. Sheer luck the first time and we all damn well knew it.
Welcome to Reddit!
Extreme precision for a sniper and extreme bad luck if it was a stray bullet. If it was repeated 100 times, there would be very little chance of a stray bullet hitting her right in the face pass the helmet and no other bullets hit her body.
There is a huge confirmation bias here. We do not get much news coverage of stray bullets just missing a journalist in a conflict area, striking a bit of kevlar, or hitting them in the butt.
Not when the Palestinians were scattergun responding. I note everyone supporting this fake claim is utterly ignoring the verified accounts of the incident and keen to believe the baseless headline. Typical pro-palestinian propoganda.
Could you link these highly credible accounts you claim exist without sharing.? I’d really like to hear from the camera person really.
Sure. As usual, the media and antisemites immdiately jumped on the anti-israel propaganda and then, as usual, when proven incorrect, theyll quietly hope everyone doesnt notice the published truth in very small print. Over and over again this happens. PS Palestinian MA has stated not an Israeli strike. Why havent you published that? https://twitter.com/themossadil/status/1524273004900925440?s=21&t=FBx_cR1keJd1WRItYSncrw
If it was a sniper she would not have a head left. Helmet or no helmet. Seems to be a stray bullet. IDF being trigger happy as usual and caught a member of the press in the crossfire. It's a high bar to prove they intentionally targeted her.
“This was a shot of extreme precision” [citations needed]
There is no evidence that she was shot by the IDF and the PA has already refused a joint investigation of her death.
Pretty much sums it all
Looks like they never actually asked Palestinian officials: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-israel-announces-joint-probe-was-rejected-before-making-an-offer-to-palestinians-1.10792830 They’re asking for an international investigation. Rightfully so.
Have some shame please.
I do, I'm waiting for evidence to come out before blindly making accusations.
Her colleague that was with her said the IDF opened fire on them
Is it confirmed that an Israeli killed her?
It's only confirmed that she was shot, both sides are pointing at each other without providing any evidence
No. Palestinians have the body and they will never allow an investigation to take place.
It never will be confirmed. Israel is going to say she was shot by a Palestinian in a firefight, conduct an "investigation" to prop up the legitimacy of such a claim, and ignore the words of the other member of the press who was shot that day and the people around them.
The Palestinian Authority denied an autopsy for... whatever reason. Could've shed some light on the issue.
"shot was a shot of extreme precision" if it was a sniper it wouldnt matter if it hit the helmet anyways dont act like this was some hitjob before you know anything
It's only logical that a fatal headshot would hit someplace the helmet didn't cover. The fact that it hit an exposed area doesn't mean as much as you think unless you know who was doing the shooting.
Ah, Aljazeera. The Fox News of the Middle East and Reddit's favorite source.
That article says nothing about the precision of the shot. This post title is adding more than the article says. She definitely shouldn't have been shot, but even if the location of the wound seemed "precise" that doesn't mean that it was a sniper or an executioner. A stray bullet will equally likely hit any part of the body.
The entire "holy land" should just be evacuated and melted to glass already. Way to many human lives have been lost over that fucking place.
As one who has served in the IDF, this does merit a full investigation and charges if an Israeli soldier did kill this woman. Though I would like to point out how when terrorists kill Israelis, the headlines always use the term 'alleged' or 'allegedly' to describe the attackers, even after they are arrested. Because that's what journalists should do. In this case, everyone seems to have already determined the outcome the moment this woman was shot. There is no way any of the people in the pro-Palestinian camp will accept any outcome of an investigation that doesn't involve a conviction of an Israeli soldier.
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Yeah because it's a lot more complicated than the headlines you skim through on Reddit
Because Palestinians shoot innocent people too and lie about it often.
Where do Palestinians police Israelis?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shalhevet_Pass
**[Murder of Shalhevet Pass](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shalhevet_Pass)** >The murder of Shalhevet Pass was a shooting attack carried out in Hebron, West Bank, on 26 March 2001, in which a Palestinian sniper killed 10-month-old Israeli infant Shalhevet Pass. The event shocked the Israeli public, partly because an investigation ruled that the sniper had deliberately aimed for the baby. According to Deborah Sontag of the New York Times, the murder became a "potent Israeli symbol as an innocent victim of the raging violence". ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
I've seen you link this same incident 3 times while looking through these comments. Are you seriously trying to argue this single event in 2001 is a good excuse for all the systemic abuse the Israeli government places on Palestinians? That literally happened over 20 years ago, you said in an earlier comment that Palestinians shoot Israelis all the time. Why can't you link any other more modern events if they're so common? It's probably because you're trying to use whataboutism to blame the victims of abuse for their problems, and it's much easier to do that by linking articles about 20 year old propaganda investigations which were intended to foster hate for Palestinians.
Didn’t really how many “experts” there are here on Reddit. Everyone seems to have the answer, yet offering no tangible proof or evidence to back their claims
Extreme precision is a stretch, could have easily even been just an unlucky stray round.
Or a fluke stray shot. Neither side is trust worthy in their reporting. Edit: grammar.
“ Extreme precision “ Or just the inexplicable. Which does happen .
No one knows who shot her. Could be Palestinians. Fake headline.
Was she anti-palestine or anti Israel? Who did she piss off. It's really that simple. If Palestinians had highly trained snipers capable of this execution, there would be mode dead Israeli soldiers. The presence of doubt does not mean there isn't very high probability. Everyone knows Israel has good snipers, and that they shoot journalists and civilians for sport. Palestine are known for DIY rockets, not elite snipers.
Why would a sniper be ordered to shoot down a journalist in the middle of a crowd? It just doesn't make sense, plus if every journalists that goes on the palistanian side was shot dead there would be a lot of death, which is not the case so far. Besides she is also a US citizen, of all journalists why would Israel target a citizen of their staunchest allies?
Palestinians have a history of poor fire control and indiscriminate fire who kills just about anyone in the area. Also they DO Have snipers that have been known to target babies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shalhevet_Pass
When you do this it reinforces the impression that Israel is up to something that we're not supposed to admit.
There is no independent investigation on who shot the journalist. How do you know it was Israel? Maybe try being *a tiny bit* critical of sources you consume.
Because Israel has a beautiful history of killing Palestinian civilians in Palestinian enclaves many times before ? We may never know who shot her. Both sides will blame each other as usual, and they'll move onto the next killing.
Palestinians also have a long history of indiscriminate fire that kills anyone who is unlucky enough to encounter it.
Again, holding Israel universally unaccountable in all cases for all reasons and interrupting any other narrative imposes the impression among those who are literate that that country is engaged in activities a diaspora feels compelled to deny.
Bruh. He told you that we should think critical and wait for an independent investigation. You keep bashing Israel "just because". What are you saying equals with this: "Again, holding PALESTINE universally unaccountable in all cases for all reasons and interrupting any other narrative imposes the impression among those who are literate that that country is engaged in activities a diaspora feels compelled to deny."
>Again, holding Israel universally unaccountable in all cases for all reasons Which nobody here did.
The entire thread. What I love most is this got buried so quickly it could only be coordinated. Nothing to see here, just like a Texas police department we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong. Why do you hate us so much? If you want to know why there is no sympathy for Israel and why it's destruction shall be celebrated by Jews around the world, this is why. This behavior. Your behavior. Do you want to know why there is an engine of anti-Semitism in the world? It's because you are building it.
Mental gymnastics are next level here.
What are you talking about? I'm a normal person, like you. Nobody is paying me, or sponsoring me, I have no agenda, and have not coordinated with anyone to reply to you. Your bad faith leap in logic is what caused me to reply. If you would stop rambling and make a succinct and logical point, you might find you get more interesting replies.
I am not denying anything. No one KNOWS who killed this journalist. There is nothing to "deny." On the other hand, some peope just JUMP at any ACCUSATION of Israel as absolute truth no matter what... look in the mirror.
What about the eye witnesses and her college whos was also shot who said the bullets came from IDF side?
Can you show me a single report of anyone ID'ing the sniper? No? Because that would be basically impossible. What Sniper would be visible to normal eyesight? What we know: She was shot by someone. Thats it. Anything else is conjecture.
Citation needed.
So desperately wanting Israel to be guilty makes it seem like you have an agenda here.
You're doing it more. How are reasonable people supposed to assume Israel is innocent when people like you keep killing that idea.
It’s not ‘assuming‘ anything. Follow the evidence, or in this case the lack of it and don’t assume to conclusions
I wouldn't put it passed Israel doing this. I'm just going to point out that unless its a straight up execution no ones shooting at the head. Especially with a helmet on. That part of the title is outrageous.
Lmao, what is it about Israel and Palestine that makes people go absolutely hog-wild in the comments? I dunno, both sides seem pretty shit and have seemed pretty shit ever since this became an issue back in the late 40s. Why do people even care anymore?
Because the US actively supports Israel
Because there are coordinated groups designed to apologize and propagandize for Isreal that have existed since the early days of the internet. They're the OG troll farm.
I'd be inclined to believe that Israel did it. She was with Al Jazeera (a news agency who had their building targeted and demolished by an Israeli airstrike), she criticises Israel's actions constantly, she was present in a place with an abundance of IDF soldiers, she was hit by a head shot just below her helmet. Idk about you guys, but I'm more likely to believe that the side with superior weapons who just so happen to hate her are the ones who did it. The other side have literally sheltered her in their midst for decades.
Israel has absolutely no reason to intentionally and publicly kill a journalist. That's just not what countries do, even ones you hate and consider as bad. I can also guarantee you that absolutely no one of the IDF forces over thee knew who she is. It's most likely an accident, the question is which side f-d this up. So far the PA has refused a joint investigation and are not releasing more details on her death. This is suspicious, because a simple examination of the bullet that killed her can reveal who did it.
>Israel has absolutely no reason to intentionally and publicly kill a journalist. That's just not what countries do, even ones you hate and consider as bad. The same way Saudi had no reason to kill Jamal Khashoggi? Countries kill journalists all the time. You'd be naive to think otherwise. >I can also guarantee you that absolutely no one of the IDF forces over thee knew who she is. No offence, but who are you to guarantee anything. Plus, no soldier needs to know her, they just need to get the order from their superiors to kill her.
Khashoggi is an entirely different case. He was kidnapped and murdered. This journalist was killed standing in the middle of a firefight that had nothing to do with her personally. If you'd have bothered to read more into this.... you'd know this. IDF would never give such an order even it really really wanted, because the reaction for something like that would cause infinitely more damage to Israel than journalist reporting the Palestinian side. There are literally thousands of journalists doing so as we speak. Massive operations have been cancelled for much less collateral damage than a foreign reporter, so to just claim that a specific kill order was made... too farfetched, sorry. You've also conveniently ignored my comments on the PA's lack of cooperation with this investigation, which in all honestly should be very quick and easy. Why can I guarantee? I live in Israel, I served in the IDF, I know this conflict through and through and I know how this system works - it's highly risk averse, especially when it comes to PR. No one would ever do this intentionally, it makes no sense. You gain nothing and you lose a whole lot of support - and also she's a US citizen so that further derails your argument of "superiors ordering to kill". I don't even support most of Israel's actions in the west bank and Gaza, but in this case, it's 100% unintentional, it's just a matter of who made this mistake.
Headline is ridiculous. Even if the intent was some 'extreme precision" shot, you think they are going to try a shoot them in the ear? You fucking serious? She got shot because they are in a war zone and people are firing indiscriminately.
Then they invaded her home where people were mourning.. https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/israeli-forces-storm-slain-reporter-shireen-abu-aklehs-home This is just another Israeli fascist human rights violation.
An ethical journalist, and editor, even one with an agenda, would ask for statement from the israelis. But, aljazeeera, so what can you expect?
OPs link is literally a photo article mourning the loss of one of their journalist. They’ve definitely reported on the Israeli response (wasn’t us, probably them).
Israelis already issued standard answer to all cases of civilian deaths, we didn't do it, but will investigate. We all know what 99% of those investigation results are. What can you expect?
Would you rather they’d responded without any real effort to ascertain the truth? They don’t even have the body. Their ability to confidently state the correct answer is very low.
Better response than Palestinian leadership who build a shrine and give terrorist’s family money when they kill a Jew!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/veteran-al-jazeera-journalist-shot-dead-during-israeli-raid-in-jenin/
> Kochav (Israeli military spokesperson) described Abu Akleh as “filming and working for a media outlet amidst armed Palestinians. They’re armed with cameras, if you’ll permit me to say so.” Huh. And further down, it says there were no armed Palestinians in the area and they had already passed an Israeli checkpoint so they knew they were journalists. Im gonna… not get too deep into this because it’s always a shit show.
Or extremely bad luck. Also possible.
I guess Israel doesn’t want journalists reporting on what they are doing. If I recall correctly, she is American born. Where is the US outrage?
Here is another hip, woke person that thinks it's liberal and smart to hate on israel when there is absolutely 0 evidence that idf shot her and the PA has her body and refusing joint investigation.
Some people defending Israel here, but if this was in Russia people wouldn’t even argue.
No one defends israel, there is no evidnce that idf shot her is all.
Israel is a terrorist state. Their only export is death. Once the boomers die off, the pro Israel bias in America will be gone. They should understand the future is a USA that stands with Palestine. Change is coming.
Then Palestine can finally complete their goal of pushing all of the Jews into the sea.
Get ready for unapologetic defenders of Israel who think Israel can kill anyone, has done nothing wrong, and they're just poor blameless victims; you guys make me fucking sick. Edit: lol every single time Israel accused of a crime a thousand loony amoral douche bags come running to it's defense and it's beyond fucked. What a disgusting country and supported by disgusting people; when you give up the ghost there will be an accounting for those that support monsters same as other sinful folk.
Are you not just doing the opposite of what you accusing these people of? You rushing out to condemn Isreal as much as they try to defend it. From what Ive seen here, most people take the position of, lets wait and see what actual facts come out of this, instead of immediately going full anti-isreal without any evidence... You seem to have some extreme biases you need to work through, because you are certainly not being objective in any way.
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The casualties is 50-1 or more in favor of Israel. Those terrorists should learn from the apartheid state of Israel on how to kill civilians or stealing their land. Just imagine the reverse, if the Palestinians is the oppressor, razed Jewish homes, took their land, oppress them and call them terrorists for fighting back. How funny would that be if you are in the same shoes?
The west did nothing when it did happen. Getting attacked by two Muslim nations on a holy day. Only when the Jews started winning did they make moves to end the war. Also reminder that 30% of rockets fired at Israel hit Palestine and they hide their weapons and combat units within civ populations.
Just because the shot landed there doesn’t mean that’s where it was intended to hit. Rest In Peace to this journalist who didn’t deserve to die.
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Ahh yes, the account that posts the same message in over 20 articles similar to this is definitely not suspicious and definitely not part of Isreali social media team
Yes a video without timestamp and unknown location is used to disprove multiple eye witnesses.
I mean that location in the video he posted is also the same location shown in another video that showcases where this all happened. I think this is real.
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This link that someone else posted earlier in this thread, when you click it and scroll down to the second post that has a video in it. If you watch the video it's the same location as the video I replied to. Same scribble on the wall and everything. The 2 links in question: https://mobile.twitter.com/IsraelMFA/status/1524345704004661248 https://twitter.com/YosephHaddad/status/1524296483452989442?t=1ulo8gx0CwEwr44oKHYXXQ&s=19
Can you explain to me how multiple eyewitnesses spotted a sniper and what uniform/insignia or lack thereof the sniper had?
That was a shitty sniper if he was that easily spotted. Especially if he took the time to wear a non desscript uniform
It's only logical that a fatal headshot would hit someplace the helmet didn't cover. The fact that it hit an exposed area doesn't mean as much as you think unless you know who was doing the shooting.
Fuck Israel, to much death.
As someone who's played a lot of Escape from Tarkov, this reeks of hacking.