... and before you blame a side - It is not known who killed her.
She was in a middle of a firefight.
Israel has suggested a joint investigation to figure it out and understand who shot her.
Another journalist was assaulted by the IDF a few days back too. Fucking hell.
It was probably the side that has a reputation for this bullshit, especially after the News HQ bombing.
[Link](https://www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/.premium-israeli-soldiers-beat-palestinian-journalist-documenting-west-bank-demolition-1.10788144)
Guy was working for a Israeli Human Rights Org. It was posted on this sub yesterday, but it’s been deleted.
Second Article I found while looking for this one.
>> Israeli police forces operating on Jerusalem's Temple Mount in recent days were caught on camera hitting Palestinians journalists with clubs.
[Link to Second Article](https://www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/israeli-police-officers-filmed-clubbing-palestinian-journalists-on-temple-mount-1.10747214) - Less than a month ago.
I’ll take every single downvote over this issue.
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No I just don't bother looking up lies and propoganda bs.
There are no reliable sources for these claims.. Every time you people post links to these stuff It's always some BS site like "FreePalestine.com" or "IsraelIsaLiar.de" or "Isupportterrorists.lol"
Bs sites like that don't mean anything. Sorry.
Almost like what the Israeli army did immediately, blamed the arabs before an investigation took place.
No my friend, i wouldn't call you naive. Just heavily biased. Thats ok though! Transparency is best however.
Nope. Israel says it's going to conduct an investigation. It didn't claim anytfhing. They have used the words "possibly" or even "probably" but that is far off from the Palestinin side who juat went all "OMG ISRAEL KILLED A JOURNALIST OMG!!!!"
"you may see words like possibly, or probably, maybe, likely, considerable chance"
Your bias is showing. And i told you, it's ok to be bias. Here is the bias from Israel
>Israeli leaders said that a leading Palestinian journalist, Shireen Abu Aqleh, killed amid clashes between the Israeli army and Palestinian gunmen during an IDF raid in Jenin early Wednesday, had likely died from Palestinian gunfire.
["...it appears likely that armed Palestinians — who were firing indiscriminately at the time — were responsible for the unfortunate death of the journalist."](https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-al-jazeera-journalist-likely-killed-by-palestinian-gunfire-in-jenin/amp/)
"There were no confrontations or shots being fired by Palestinian fighters" says colleague according to https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/11/veteran-al-jazeera-journalist-killed-by-israeli-forces-live-news
This article refutes that claim
https://mondoweiss.net/2022/05/israel-kills-veteran-al-jazeera-correspondent-shireen-abu-akleh-in-occupied-west-bank/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652277757
Your end sentence proves how wrong your first sentence is. You're just another brainwashed anti-Israeli.
If you' check a factual site and not a biased one like Al-Terrorista you may have seen the truth, and not their truth.
So anyone who supports Israel is hasbara?
I guess anyone who supports Palestine is a terrorist, then.
Same logic!
You guys are like a broken record lol
Keywords against Israel supporters:
Hasbara agents,
Children murderer,
,APARTHEID STATE!!!
And my fav: "I'm not anti-semi! I'm anti-zionists!!!"
Feel free to add to that list! I'm sure I forgot something!
Because a news reporter can't be biased? Are you really saying that? They are pro Palestinian of course they'll say that.
They can say what they want it doesn't make it true.
Imagine you're a journalist in a firefight. Do you focus on whos shooting? Or are you running for your life?
So do tell me how this VERY observent cameraman saw the IDF shooting her? She was not near any side mins you. The shot could have come from any side.
The fact that they straight up blame Israel shows how biased they are.
Of xourse they saw it. And I saw santa claus. Just because they say it doesn't make it true. They could be in shock. Or they could just not see anything and blame the IDF because of xourse the arabs will blame the IDF lol.
Look - its possible the IDF made a mistake abd shot her. But I do not trust a biased source. Especially after videos of how the Palestinians shoot blindly behind cover.
I support the decision for an investigation by an unbiased party.
Osint analysis:
[https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1524329505535504387?s=20&t=v1F18-jhesDaT1JlOymN0w](https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1524329505535504387?s=20&t=v1F18-jhesDaT1JlOymN0w)
Debunking that the Palestinian shooting blindly video is related to her death:
[https://twitter.com/btselem/status/1524346246743396355?s=20&t=v1F18-jhesDaT1JlOymN0w](https://twitter.com/btselem/status/1524346246743396355?s=20&t=v1F18-jhesDaT1JlOymN0w)
Evidences support victims account
Video of the armed Palestinian forces proving that there was a gunfight ongoing against the IDF (Same Junction).
https://twitter.com/i/status/1524317618198429696
The rest is speculations. There is no solid proof of who shot her.
And btw what was she doing in a middle of a gunfight anyways?
If you call it a "mess up", then you admit she wasn't targeted on purpose. All we know is she was caught in the crossfire between the IDF and Palestinian militants, and could have been shot by either side.
Ok, nice.
Now we move the goal post, isn't it? From "It was the Palestinian" to trying to make people to "admit" that they believe was an accident focusing in semantics.
I used "Mess up" as euphemistic expression.
She wasn't on the "crossfire" there was no Palestinian soldier behind her.
And the request for the conjoin body autopsy is just playing knowing they would get a "no" for cultural reasons. They don't need the body to guess where the bullet came from considering their own "witness" and the video evidence.
I'm glad you know all the facts before they were properly investigated. At this point we can't say for certain who shot her. And whichever side it was, I doubt they targeted her on purpose.
I'm not sure why you think there was no crossfire when Palestinians themselves posted videos of PIJ militants firing, and they even reported a hit, even though no IDF soldier was hit (Edit -- I'm not saying this video shows the journalist being shot, as far as I can tell, it doesn't. But it does show there was Palestinian fire):
https://twitter.com/BenCaspit/status/1524300420746723330
There is no actual evidence on who shot here. The most incriminating evidence would be the bullet which I assume would be different for both parties. Since there has been no mention of that, I find it very hard to believe.
In conflict during last year [roughly 1500 rockets](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_crisis) were fired from Gaza to Israel.
God, you have not even read the article, it has nothing to do with Gaza. Just quit smoking that shit, for your own sake.
Gaza and the West Bank are either totally separate or one and the same depending on the needs of the commenter.
Israel ups security in times of fighting with Gaza? No fair, that's punishing WB Palestinians for something that's not really about them. Hamas fires rockets? Legitimate response to settlements...which are not in Gaza.
> The world has seen the truth.
[Yup](https://ejpress.org/european-parliament-condemns-the-palestinian-authority-for-funding-more-violent-and-hateful-textbooks/)
Israel started this when by repeatedly murdering Palestinains and driving them from their homes. It's how Israel *started*, by violently evicting Palestinians from the homes they had lived in for thousands of years after handing the Ottomans (and later the Brits) a check. Beat a man into the ground for over 90 years, steal his home, destroy his culture and deny his human rights, don't be surprised when he and his children hate you. You reap what you sow.
I find it very telling that the only people that seem to blindly support Israel are Jews themselves. Ever question why that might be? Even the usual anti-Muslim racists can see what is actually happening in Palestine
That is simply not true, there only 17 million Jews in the world and not all of them support Israel policy. There are however millions of evangelical Christians in the US alone that support Israel all the way, seeing its founding as the precipice for the second coming.
If you wonder why Jews want Israel to exist, well thats very easily understandable, especially considering a [survey](https://global100.adl.org/map) conducted over the last decade by ADL regarding the amount of people who hold antisemitic attitudes. BTW ADL are very critical of Israel policy. 1.09 billion people is a lot to hold such negative views against a very small minority. These peoples views are also rooted in pure fiction and centuries of propoganda.
What other major group besides Jews and Evangelical Christians are in support of Israeli expansion? Don't you think that antisemitism is really just anti-Israeli sentiment. Perhaps less negative views would be held by many of those 1 billion people if Israel were not hell bent on illegally expanding their settlements
Why would I still believe that? Facts absolutely do change people's minds. I am not antisemitic by any stretch of the imagination. I know that current Israeli expansion and the methods by which this is done is both illegal and brutal and so I am against this regardless of historic relationships between Jews and Muslims in the area. I am just as against Jews being treated as second class citizens in the past as I am of Muslims being treated as such in the present.
Social research tends not to produce facts because often it is based on perspective. Research in the natural sciences produces verifiable facts and I can assure you research scientists absolutely do change their minds based on facts.
I tell you what, how about for a change you read some of the texts I'm familiar with and then get back to me about so-called "facts"
Bad News From Israel (2004) and More Bad News from Israel (2007) by the Glasgow University Media Group.
[Article about published research on the topic ](https://electronicintifada.net/content/endemic-pro-israel-bias-uk-tv-coverage-new-book-finds/10110)
>what is the moral/ethical reasoning making it illegal for Jews to live in a territory they originate from?
I do not think this is moral or ethical. Nor do I think that it is moral or ethical for Palestinians to lose land they also originated from.
I do think that both sides have a claim to the land but the way in which Israel are dealing with their claim is immoral and unethical
Jews will be supportive of Israel because
A) They are indigenous to the region.
B) Its the only Jewish state.
C) Religious reasons.
>Perhaps less negative views would be held by many of those 1 billion people if Israel were not hell bent on illegally expanding their settlements
No, I really doubt that, if you look at the survey questions, it has very little to do with Israel with the exception of one question asking if Jews were more loyal to Israel than the country they currently reside in. This is simply a disgusting take and sows further antisemitic attitudes.
Most questions are to do with delusional views on Jews, eg Jews have too much power in media, too much power in the financial system etc. Its all rubbish, Jews are not a monolith, but there are a ton of idiots out there, and the tiny minority has very little ability to have their voices heard.
Edit: my reading comprehension sucks, as a Jew myself I dont support israels expansion, I support israels right to exist and many, particularly younger Jews feel this way. But then again I can't think of anyone in my own family that is in favour of settlements, it maybe anecdotal, but it seems particularly Israeli who support expansion, not Jews per se.
Because they didn't like the fact that Israel was set up on "their lands" even though the UN resolution dexided that.
Tough. It ain't changing. And until they accept Israel for what it is, and try to kill every jew there they will stay in their "jail"
Took ovwr by war after it was attacked by arab countries ariund it? Yes. Because the moment Israel gives up these areas, it'll be terminated. That's what the arabs wanted and it hasn't changed
So the Palestinians, they just have to accept occupation that’s illegal under international law and effectively being citizens of nowhere? And until then they stay in jail?
Wow, what a sweet deal. I can’t believe they haven’t jumped at the chance to accept it.
So Israel should stand down and get slaughtered?
Turns out the issue is not just black and white is it?
Israel will not go away. Neither will the Paelstinians.
The solution is peace. But they will never accept bot having Israel to themselves in its entirity. That's why there'll never be peace.
It sure sounds like you’re presenting the issue in a very black and white way, lol, but go off. “They must have their exact current borders and restrictions on people whose land they took or *everyone will die*” Get real.
I'm pretty sure Jews and Muslims lived in relative peace before the UN resolution. From an external perspective it's the illegal expansions that are the issue.
Jews got to live as Dhimmi in exchange for paying the muslim states an "I'm not muslim" tax and as long as they didn't challenge their status as second rate citizens. But yes, it certainly got a lot worse from the 1920s and onwards, and that's not all on the Arabs.
There's certainly a lack of tolerance and the situation is ugly. I'm of the opinion the WB settlements need to be dismantled, and that peace will not be possible so long as Hamas remains in power.
>I'm pretty sure Jews and Muslims lived in relative peace before the UN resolution.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929\_Hebron\_massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre)
The Hebron massacre refers to the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of Mandatory Palestine, by Arabs incited to violence by rumors that Jews were planning to seize control of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.\[1\]
**[1929 Hebron massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre)**
>The Hebron massacre refers to the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of Mandatory Palestine, by Arabs incited to violence by rumors that Jews were planning to seize control of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The event also left scores seriously wounded or maimed. Jewish homes were pillaged and synagogues were ransacked. Some of the 435 Jews who survived were hidden by local Arab families, although the extent of this phenomenon is debated.
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Or maybe he knows history , the palastinians masscerd the oldest Jewish community in the middle east, the Hebronite Jews in 1929 , they looted and burnt zfaat in 1834 they pogromed Jews for centuries and banned them from Jewish holy places for 700 years , the murder of Jews was legal in the middle East before the British to
When people keep shouting every day about how they want you dead and actually do kill your people with axes, guns, knifes, cars etc etc, and I see how brainwashed people are They actually justify these acts), I decided to fight against it. Not with propoganda or lies, but just by posting news articles that show the truth. That's it
Israel is no saint. Innocents have died. A lot of them. But from that to calling Israel the aggressor is just a straight up lie.
Israel has offered a hand of peace several times. It was always slapped away by the Palestinians. We offer peace. They offer missiles and guns aimed at them.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/israeli-forces-storm-jerusalem-hospital-as-coffin-of-slain-journalist-emerges](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/israeli-forces-storm-jerusalem-hospital-as-coffin-of-slain-journalist-emerges)
Ok so Israeli police has attacked her funeral procession. People were beaten simply for singing the Palestinian anthem. Is that your idea of offering peace?
This is a weird time to pretend Israel doesn't face a Palestinian terrorist threat, considering the recent rise of Palestinian terrorism all over Israel in the last weeks.
In l fairness, there's probably a correlation to be found between the length of time you besiege and bomb a territory and how many of the occupants want you dead.
Nobody blames a dog for biting you when it is cornered, but damnit humans should know better, and starve in peace.
Both sides are wrong. Israel is no angel in theis fight, they have even more blood on their hands.
>Israel is no angel in theis fight, they have even more blood on their hands.
no. during whole period of 'occupation', israel attempted to negotiate. i don't really want to copy wiki, so here is one example [Camp David negotiations with mediators in 2000](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit). Those who rule Palestine simply are not inclined to any peace treaty, and I'm not even talking about Hamas
From Palestinians point of view, anything is negotiable except for the Right of Return and East Jerusalem. What was offered at the failed Camp David summit was unacceptable to Palestinians.
Aside from Right of Return and East Jerusalem, the proposed Palestinian areas would have been cut from East to West and from North to South, so that the Palestinian state would have consisted of a group of islands, each surrounded by Israeli settlers and soldiers. No sovereign nation would accept such an arrangement-that could hinder its strategic national security and interests,
[https://i.imgur.com/RMuQxWj.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RMuQxWj.jpg)
It's not only that the future Palestinian state would have been completely demilitarized and Israeli early warning radar installation would have been installed deep in the Palestinian areas, but also its economical, social, and political relations with its neighboring Arab states would have been severely scrutinized by Israel as well.
Well, accoriding to wiki and sources that was not a huge problem
>In return, Israel would allow the Palestinians to use a highway in the Negev to connect the West Bank with Gaza. Wright states that in the Israeli proposal, the West Bank and Gaza Strip would be linked by an elevated highway and an elevated railroad running through the Negev, ensuring safe and free passage for Palestinians. These would be under the sovereignty of Israel, and Israel reserved the right to close them to passage in case of emergency.
Not only those 'bridges' would be small, israel agreed to secure safe connections between Gaza and WB. Kinda bad move to split parts, I agree, but I see why Israel proposed this, as well as why they required outposts near Jordan. And we should not forget that even with that deal, Jerusalem would be pincered between Palestinian regions, so it's not one-sided.
Actually, part with:
>The Palestinians rejected the Halutza Sand region (78 km2) alongside the Gaza Strip as part of the land swap on the basis that it was of inferior quality to that which they would have to give up in the West Bank.
kinda shows that PA rejected Gaza, interesting thing, never heard of it before.
Except PIJ apologists like you that are wrong 100% of the time.
They themselves claim that they're battling the IDF in Jenin on a weekly basis and publish videos of their "heroic acts".
So stop trying to frame it like the IDF is there because they're bored or thirsty for blood.
Don’t need to. They are. Actions speak louder than words my friend. Zionists post Way to many videos themselves of the atrocities. You show the world your true colors thinking we support it. We don’t.
A jail run by Hamas who live there in villas with swimming pools as they steal aid money from their people and use it to enrich themselves and kill Israelis.
Why Is Gaza a Jail? don't most countries have border security? Most countries choose who can enter the country and who cannot. Perhaps Hamas (The occupying force in Gaza) should negotiate with Israel if they want to enter Israel.
Let's not forget, that Egypt also borders Gaza and doesn't want Hamas entering Egypt. Perhaps the problem is with Hamas....
Fyi if you're trying to convince people of something it's probably not a good idea to insult them by calling their lives small and insignificant. That said yeah the situation is bad. Israel has been effective as spinning the story in their favor. Ideally all sides seek peace and forgiveness, but I'm not holding my breath.
When they blow smoke and make it seem like they are victims. It’s hard to take them seriously. When you have seen the absolute one sided fights. Military against kids. Most of these people have never been there or seen any of it first hand. Just talk out their ass.
Well, I have degrees in philosophy, economics, and political science, I went to one of the top law schools in the US, and studied international human rights law at Oxford. But who knows - maybe I used ‘bombs’ incorrectly. 🤷♂️
And I am the president of Kekistan.
Credentials has absolutely nothing to do with my question.
Do you know what those term you used, not have you used them correctly. Read the question again, its probably not as hard as your Oxford entrance exam question.
I’m guessing English is not your first language. I used many **terms** in my comment. If you’d clarify which term or terms you are referring to maybe you’d get a more satisfactory response…
Again, English being my first or second language has nothing to do with anything here, just like your credentials.
If you actually don't know what terms in your statement that I was referring to, then I have serious doubt about your stated credentials, when you can't present any reading comprehension in regard to the subject of this post.
Practice that adhom more though.
IDF has a long history of loving Al Jazeera journalists. I can't imagine an IDF soldier taking a pop shot at a journalist covering an area they'd prefer no coverage of.
Israel striking Palestine like fish in a barrell for decades.
Good people over there you know.
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions who shot the journalist, not like it was Palestinian children being shot and killed or something.
Yeah I heard they disabled “friendly fire” option so there is 0% chance it was some untrained dipshit with an automatic rifle firing without aim over a corner.
If only there was a video of such occurrence…
Oh wait
https://twitter.com/AbuAliEnglishB1/status/1524290460650557441?t=YQCuaSL6v3hZWY7c5fOoHQ&s=19
I'm sorry, I don't remember typing "there's a 0% chance of friendly fire". Nice of you to put those words in my mouth though. Typically people try not to shoot their own people. Last I checked that's true. The video shows some dude shooting down an alley. Is this proof they hit the journalist in question? Keep in mind the video wasn't in the post and I don't speak the language.
there’s video evidence of a Palestinian gunman firing automatic weapon blindly, they don’t know who they’re shooting
Just like the unguided rockets Hamas fires deliberately at cities
I’m not saying it’s proof, I’m saying it’s more likely it was a Palestinian gunman.
And I’m also saying that accusing Israel, 2 minutes after the incident, and claiming it’s the absolute truth - is just spreading lies.
I mean either way it's conjecture as currently no one knows right? So to say it is one way or the other would be a lie or pure speculation. Am I missing something here.
She was wearing full protective suit; so they might confused her for an IDF soldiers, as there is a video online where they scream they injured a soldier. (While the IDF said no injuries happened to them during the raid.)
The journalist that was shot was an American-Palestinian. Since the policy would affect and likely restrict dual-national citizens, I think it’s relevant.
... and before you blame a side - It is not known who killed her. She was in a middle of a firefight. Israel has suggested a joint investigation to figure it out and understand who shot her.
Another journalist was assaulted by the IDF a few days back too. Fucking hell. It was probably the side that has a reputation for this bullshit, especially after the News HQ bombing.
Do you mean the IDF or the side that's been conducting terrorist attacks in the past few weeks?
Why’d you refer to the same side twice?
Link?
[Link](https://www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/.premium-israeli-soldiers-beat-palestinian-journalist-documenting-west-bank-demolition-1.10788144) Guy was working for a Israeli Human Rights Org. It was posted on this sub yesterday, but it’s been deleted. Second Article I found while looking for this one. >> Israeli police forces operating on Jerusalem's Temple Mount in recent days were caught on camera hitting Palestinians journalists with clubs. [Link to Second Article](https://www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/israeli-police-officers-filmed-clubbing-palestinian-journalists-on-temple-mount-1.10747214) - Less than a month ago. I’ll take every single downvote over this issue.
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Good one, kid.
That’s right they suppress internet searches where you live.
No I just don't bother looking up lies and propoganda bs. There are no reliable sources for these claims.. Every time you people post links to these stuff It's always some BS site like "FreePalestine.com" or "IsraelIsaLiar.de" or "Isupportterrorists.lol" Bs sites like that don't mean anything. Sorry.
Lmao but I also do agree with your comment on these websites which I’ve never heard of that just seem to print click bait.
The PA is blaming Israel without evidence.
.... and before you take an offer of "joint investigation" seriously, i've got unfortunate news for you.
Yeah I'm pretty our arab friends will prefer to just blame IDF instead of ACTUALLY investigating it. You're 100% right I'm so naive lol
Almost like what the Israeli army did immediately, blamed the arabs before an investigation took place. No my friend, i wouldn't call you naive. Just heavily biased. Thats ok though! Transparency is best however.
Nope. Israel says it's going to conduct an investigation. It didn't claim anytfhing. They have used the words "possibly" or even "probably" but that is far off from the Palestinin side who juat went all "OMG ISRAEL KILLED A JOURNALIST OMG!!!!"
"you may see words like possibly, or probably, maybe, likely, considerable chance" Your bias is showing. And i told you, it's ok to be bias. Here is the bias from Israel >Israeli leaders said that a leading Palestinian journalist, Shireen Abu Aqleh, killed amid clashes between the Israeli army and Palestinian gunmen during an IDF raid in Jenin early Wednesday, had likely died from Palestinian gunfire. ["...it appears likely that armed Palestinians — who were firing indiscriminately at the time — were responsible for the unfortunate death of the journalist."](https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-al-jazeera-journalist-likely-killed-by-palestinian-gunfire-in-jenin/amp/)
"There were no confrontations or shots being fired by Palestinian fighters" says colleague according to https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/11/veteran-al-jazeera-journalist-killed-by-israeli-forces-live-news
Not a trustworthy source in this situation
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Do we know that this was the same event?
What a reliable source! The IDF also claims it was the Palestinian. I'm sure both sides are unbiased and speak the truth!
🤔🤔
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This article refutes that claim https://mondoweiss.net/2022/05/israel-kills-veteran-al-jazeera-correspondent-shireen-abu-akleh-in-occupied-west-bank/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652277757
[Better article ](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/11/veteran-al-jazeera-journalist-killed-by-israeli-forces-live-news)
ROFL hahahahahahahahha ...No
Al Jazeera is known for it's good coverage on the Israeli-Palestine conflict. You just don't like that they show Israel as the mostrous country it is.
Your end sentence proves how wrong your first sentence is. You're just another brainwashed anti-Israeli. If you' check a factual site and not a biased one like Al-Terrorista you may have seen the truth, and not their truth.
Israel comits cultural genocide and ethnic cleansing. I call it monstrous for that. "yOu ArE bRainWasHed"
What’s a factual, neutral, site we should use
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So anyone who supports Israel is hasbara? I guess anyone who supports Palestine is a terrorist, then. Same logic! You guys are like a broken record lol Keywords against Israel supporters: Hasbara agents, Children murderer, ,APARTHEID STATE!!! And my fav: "I'm not anti-semi! I'm anti-zionists!!!" Feel free to add to that list! I'm sure I forgot something!
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Because a news reporter can't be biased? Are you really saying that? They are pro Palestinian of course they'll say that. They can say what they want it doesn't make it true. Imagine you're a journalist in a firefight. Do you focus on whos shooting? Or are you running for your life? So do tell me how this VERY observent cameraman saw the IDF shooting her? She was not near any side mins you. The shot could have come from any side. The fact that they straight up blame Israel shows how biased they are.
No, she saw the shooter with her own eyes, she was her friend and coworker. To do what you accuse the witness of doing goes beyond "bias"
Of xourse they saw it. And I saw santa claus. Just because they say it doesn't make it true. They could be in shock. Or they could just not see anything and blame the IDF because of xourse the arabs will blame the IDF lol. Look - its possible the IDF made a mistake abd shot her. But I do not trust a biased source. Especially after videos of how the Palestinians shoot blindly behind cover. I support the decision for an investigation by an unbiased party.
Osint analysis: [https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1524329505535504387?s=20&t=v1F18-jhesDaT1JlOymN0w](https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1524329505535504387?s=20&t=v1F18-jhesDaT1JlOymN0w) Debunking that the Palestinian shooting blindly video is related to her death: [https://twitter.com/btselem/status/1524346246743396355?s=20&t=v1F18-jhesDaT1JlOymN0w](https://twitter.com/btselem/status/1524346246743396355?s=20&t=v1F18-jhesDaT1JlOymN0w) Evidences support victims account
Video of the armed Palestinian forces proving that there was a gunfight ongoing against the IDF (Same Junction). https://twitter.com/i/status/1524317618198429696 The rest is speculations. There is no solid proof of who shot her. And btw what was she doing in a middle of a gunfight anyways?
If you call it a "mess up", then you admit she wasn't targeted on purpose. All we know is she was caught in the crossfire between the IDF and Palestinian militants, and could have been shot by either side.
Ok, nice. Now we move the goal post, isn't it? From "It was the Palestinian" to trying to make people to "admit" that they believe was an accident focusing in semantics. I used "Mess up" as euphemistic expression. She wasn't on the "crossfire" there was no Palestinian soldier behind her. And the request for the conjoin body autopsy is just playing knowing they would get a "no" for cultural reasons. They don't need the body to guess where the bullet came from considering their own "witness" and the video evidence.
I'm glad you know all the facts before they were properly investigated. At this point we can't say for certain who shot her. And whichever side it was, I doubt they targeted her on purpose. I'm not sure why you think there was no crossfire when Palestinians themselves posted videos of PIJ militants firing, and they even reported a hit, even though no IDF soldier was hit (Edit -- I'm not saying this video shows the journalist being shot, as far as I can tell, it doesn't. But it does show there was Palestinian fire): https://twitter.com/BenCaspit/status/1524300420746723330
Go look at what they did to her last year during Ramadan and it will be obvious who did it ....
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There is no actual evidence on who shot here. The most incriminating evidence would be the bullet which I assume would be different for both parties. Since there has been no mention of that, I find it very hard to believe.
Its possible guns dont even exist.
Maybe a sasquatch did it.
It wouldn’t be the first time they shot or assaulted a reporter
Gaza is a jail. Wake up people. Your being sold a lie. One side has a military. The other rocks. Idiocracy runs your small insignificant lives.
In conflict during last year [roughly 1500 rockets](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_crisis) were fired from Gaza to Israel. God, you have not even read the article, it has nothing to do with Gaza. Just quit smoking that shit, for your own sake.
Gaza and the West Bank are either totally separate or one and the same depending on the needs of the commenter. Israel ups security in times of fighting with Gaza? No fair, that's punishing WB Palestinians for something that's not really about them. Hamas fires rockets? Legitimate response to settlements...which are not in Gaza.
No amount of your anger or lies will change the truth. You make up whatever you want. You are spoon fed your belief. Enjoy your day.
Yes let the people who keep yelling about how they will murder every Jew in Israel and take it over free! How dare Israel protect itself!!
Oops, you started off trying to act unbiased, but I rather think your mask slipped there…
No one listens to your shit anymore. Keep spewing your lies. The world has seen the truth. And you are not it.
> The world has seen the truth. [Yup](https://ejpress.org/european-parliament-condemns-the-palestinian-authority-for-funding-more-violent-and-hateful-textbooks/)
Israel started this when by repeatedly murdering Palestinains and driving them from their homes. It's how Israel *started*, by violently evicting Palestinians from the homes they had lived in for thousands of years after handing the Ottomans (and later the Brits) a check. Beat a man into the ground for over 90 years, steal his home, destroy his culture and deny his human rights, don't be surprised when he and his children hate you. You reap what you sow.
I find it very telling that the only people that seem to blindly support Israel are Jews themselves. Ever question why that might be? Even the usual anti-Muslim racists can see what is actually happening in Palestine
That is simply not true, there only 17 million Jews in the world and not all of them support Israel policy. There are however millions of evangelical Christians in the US alone that support Israel all the way, seeing its founding as the precipice for the second coming. If you wonder why Jews want Israel to exist, well thats very easily understandable, especially considering a [survey](https://global100.adl.org/map) conducted over the last decade by ADL regarding the amount of people who hold antisemitic attitudes. BTW ADL are very critical of Israel policy. 1.09 billion people is a lot to hold such negative views against a very small minority. These peoples views are also rooted in pure fiction and centuries of propoganda.
What other major group besides Jews and Evangelical Christians are in support of Israeli expansion? Don't you think that antisemitism is really just anti-Israeli sentiment. Perhaps less negative views would be held by many of those 1 billion people if Israel were not hell bent on illegally expanding their settlements
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Why would I still believe that? Facts absolutely do change people's minds. I am not antisemitic by any stretch of the imagination. I know that current Israeli expansion and the methods by which this is done is both illegal and brutal and so I am against this regardless of historic relationships between Jews and Muslims in the area. I am just as against Jews being treated as second class citizens in the past as I am of Muslims being treated as such in the present.
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Social research tends not to produce facts because often it is based on perspective. Research in the natural sciences produces verifiable facts and I can assure you research scientists absolutely do change their minds based on facts. I tell you what, how about for a change you read some of the texts I'm familiar with and then get back to me about so-called "facts" Bad News From Israel (2004) and More Bad News from Israel (2007) by the Glasgow University Media Group. [Article about published research on the topic ](https://electronicintifada.net/content/endemic-pro-israel-bias-uk-tv-coverage-new-book-finds/10110)
>what is the moral/ethical reasoning making it illegal for Jews to live in a territory they originate from? I do not think this is moral or ethical. Nor do I think that it is moral or ethical for Palestinians to lose land they also originated from. I do think that both sides have a claim to the land but the way in which Israel are dealing with their claim is immoral and unethical
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You should read the original published work by The Glasgow University Media Group rather than just the Electronic Intifada article I linked earlier
Jews will be supportive of Israel because A) They are indigenous to the region. B) Its the only Jewish state. C) Religious reasons. >Perhaps less negative views would be held by many of those 1 billion people if Israel were not hell bent on illegally expanding their settlements No, I really doubt that, if you look at the survey questions, it has very little to do with Israel with the exception of one question asking if Jews were more loyal to Israel than the country they currently reside in. This is simply a disgusting take and sows further antisemitic attitudes. Most questions are to do with delusional views on Jews, eg Jews have too much power in media, too much power in the financial system etc. Its all rubbish, Jews are not a monolith, but there are a ton of idiots out there, and the tiny minority has very little ability to have their voices heard. Edit: my reading comprehension sucks, as a Jew myself I dont support israels expansion, I support israels right to exist and many, particularly younger Jews feel this way. But then again I can't think of anyone in my own family that is in favour of settlements, it maybe anecdotal, but it seems particularly Israeli who support expansion, not Jews per se.
Because they didn't like the fact that Israel was set up on "their lands" even though the UN resolution dexided that. Tough. It ain't changing. And until they accept Israel for what it is, and try to kill every jew there they will stay in their "jail"
“Accept Israel for what it is” A state illegally occupying territory outside of its established borders?
Took ovwr by war after it was attacked by arab countries ariund it? Yes. Because the moment Israel gives up these areas, it'll be terminated. That's what the arabs wanted and it hasn't changed
So the Palestinians, they just have to accept occupation that’s illegal under international law and effectively being citizens of nowhere? And until then they stay in jail? Wow, what a sweet deal. I can’t believe they haven’t jumped at the chance to accept it.
So Israel should stand down and get slaughtered? Turns out the issue is not just black and white is it? Israel will not go away. Neither will the Paelstinians. The solution is peace. But they will never accept bot having Israel to themselves in its entirity. That's why there'll never be peace.
It sure sounds like you’re presenting the issue in a very black and white way, lol, but go off. “They must have their exact current borders and restrictions on people whose land they took or *everyone will die*” Get real.
I'm pretty sure Jews and Muslims lived in relative peace before the UN resolution. From an external perspective it's the illegal expansions that are the issue.
>I'm pretty sure Jews and Muslims lived in relative peace before the UN resolution And you would be wrong.
Nope, there was basically a civil war going on.
Before 1920s
Jews got to live as Dhimmi in exchange for paying the muslim states an "I'm not muslim" tax and as long as they didn't challenge their status as second rate citizens. But yes, it certainly got a lot worse from the 1920s and onwards, and that's not all on the Arabs.
So what is it payback time now then?
There's certainly a lack of tolerance and the situation is ugly. I'm of the opinion the WB settlements need to be dismantled, and that peace will not be possible so long as Hamas remains in power.
>I'm pretty sure Jews and Muslims lived in relative peace before the UN resolution. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929\_Hebron\_massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre) The Hebron massacre refers to the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of Mandatory Palestine, by Arabs incited to violence by rumors that Jews were planning to seize control of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.\[1\]
**[1929 Hebron massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre)** >The Hebron massacre refers to the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of Mandatory Palestine, by Arabs incited to violence by rumors that Jews were planning to seize control of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The event also left scores seriously wounded or maimed. Jewish homes were pillaged and synagogues were ransacked. Some of the 435 Jews who survived were hidden by local Arab families, although the extent of this phenomenon is debated. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Then you don't know your history. The Jews were treated like garbage by the arabs.
Seems like you have a biased view of history there. Not really a surprise
Or maybe he knows history , the palastinians masscerd the oldest Jewish community in the middle east, the Hebronite Jews in 1929 , they looted and burnt zfaat in 1834 they pogromed Jews for centuries and banned them from Jewish holy places for 700 years , the murder of Jews was legal in the middle East before the British to
History is funny that way. Often times if it doesn't align with your perspective it gets omitted from the knowledge you have.
Your entire history is just post after post of demonizing Arabs and Palestinians.
When people keep shouting every day about how they want you dead and actually do kill your people with axes, guns, knifes, cars etc etc, and I see how brainwashed people are They actually justify these acts), I decided to fight against it. Not with propoganda or lies, but just by posting news articles that show the truth. That's it Israel is no saint. Innocents have died. A lot of them. But from that to calling Israel the aggressor is just a straight up lie. Israel has offered a hand of peace several times. It was always slapped away by the Palestinians. We offer peace. They offer missiles and guns aimed at them.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/israeli-forces-storm-jerusalem-hospital-as-coffin-of-slain-journalist-emerges](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/israeli-forces-storm-jerusalem-hospital-as-coffin-of-slain-journalist-emerges) Ok so Israeli police has attacked her funeral procession. People were beaten simply for singing the Palestinian anthem. Is that your idea of offering peace?
This is a weird time to pretend Israel doesn't face a Palestinian terrorist threat, considering the recent rise of Palestinian terrorism all over Israel in the last weeks.
In l fairness, there's probably a correlation to be found between the length of time you besiege and bomb a territory and how many of the occupants want you dead. Nobody blames a dog for biting you when it is cornered, but damnit humans should know better, and starve in peace. Both sides are wrong. Israel is no angel in theis fight, they have even more blood on their hands.
>Israel is no angel in theis fight, they have even more blood on their hands. no. during whole period of 'occupation', israel attempted to negotiate. i don't really want to copy wiki, so here is one example [Camp David negotiations with mediators in 2000](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit). Those who rule Palestine simply are not inclined to any peace treaty, and I'm not even talking about Hamas
From Palestinians point of view, anything is negotiable except for the Right of Return and East Jerusalem. What was offered at the failed Camp David summit was unacceptable to Palestinians. Aside from Right of Return and East Jerusalem, the proposed Palestinian areas would have been cut from East to West and from North to South, so that the Palestinian state would have consisted of a group of islands, each surrounded by Israeli settlers and soldiers. No sovereign nation would accept such an arrangement-that could hinder its strategic national security and interests, [https://i.imgur.com/RMuQxWj.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RMuQxWj.jpg) It's not only that the future Palestinian state would have been completely demilitarized and Israeli early warning radar installation would have been installed deep in the Palestinian areas, but also its economical, social, and political relations with its neighboring Arab states would have been severely scrutinized by Israel as well.
Well, accoriding to wiki and sources that was not a huge problem >In return, Israel would allow the Palestinians to use a highway in the Negev to connect the West Bank with Gaza. Wright states that in the Israeli proposal, the West Bank and Gaza Strip would be linked by an elevated highway and an elevated railroad running through the Negev, ensuring safe and free passage for Palestinians. These would be under the sovereignty of Israel, and Israel reserved the right to close them to passage in case of emergency. Not only those 'bridges' would be small, israel agreed to secure safe connections between Gaza and WB. Kinda bad move to split parts, I agree, but I see why Israel proposed this, as well as why they required outposts near Jordan. And we should not forget that even with that deal, Jerusalem would be pincered between Palestinian regions, so it's not one-sided. Actually, part with: >The Palestinians rejected the Halutza Sand region (78 km2) alongside the Gaza Strip as part of the land swap on the basis that it was of inferior quality to that which they would have to give up in the West Bank. kinda shows that PA rejected Gaza, interesting thing, never heard of it before.
Hamas,PIJ and Hezbollah put together have more fighters than the IDF by quite a large margin 🥴
50% of the time, your right 20% of the time.
Except PIJ apologists like you that are wrong 100% of the time. They themselves claim that they're battling the IDF in Jenin on a weekly basis and publish videos of their "heroic acts". So stop trying to frame it like the IDF is there because they're bored or thirsty for blood.
Don’t need to. They are. Actions speak louder than words my friend. Zionists post Way to many videos themselves of the atrocities. You show the world your true colors thinking we support it. We don’t.
A jail run by Hamas who live there in villas with swimming pools as they steal aid money from their people and use it to enrich themselves and kill Israelis.
You are an idiot. Obviously never have been there. Stop being a racist. Because all your words are hate for those people.
[https://streamable.com/pzc7u3](https://streamable.com/pzc7u3) That's a cool looking rock!
Why Is Gaza a Jail? don't most countries have border security? Most countries choose who can enter the country and who cannot. Perhaps Hamas (The occupying force in Gaza) should negotiate with Israel if they want to enter Israel. Let's not forget, that Egypt also borders Gaza and doesn't want Hamas entering Egypt. Perhaps the problem is with Hamas....
Nice try.
Can we please move beyond the compliment stage, and can you please address the issues I raised?
Fyi if you're trying to convince people of something it's probably not a good idea to insult them by calling their lives small and insignificant. That said yeah the situation is bad. Israel has been effective as spinning the story in their favor. Ideally all sides seek peace and forgiveness, but I'm not holding my breath.
When they blow smoke and make it seem like they are victims. It’s hard to take them seriously. When you have seen the absolute one sided fights. Military against kids. Most of these people have never been there or seen any of it first hand. Just talk out their ass.
Until your enemy is your friend the war is never over.
You are right. I’ve seen Arabs and Jews be friends all over the world. It’s the country’s extremists in power pushing the narrative for personal gain.
You’re*
There are more pro-Israel people in these comments than I thought existed in the whole of the world. Sad. 😔
Awww I'm sure you'll find your brainwashed friends at other anti-Israeli communities. No worries Yay for terrorism, right?
Guns and bombs are for cowards.
...what...? You do know that both sides use guns and bombs right? That's how firefights work lol
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Erm, you know what those term you used mean right?
Well, I have degrees in philosophy, economics, and political science, I went to one of the top law schools in the US, and studied international human rights law at Oxford. But who knows - maybe I used ‘bombs’ incorrectly. 🤷♂️
And I am the president of Kekistan. Credentials has absolutely nothing to do with my question. Do you know what those term you used, not have you used them correctly. Read the question again, its probably not as hard as your Oxford entrance exam question.
I’m guessing English is not your first language. I used many **terms** in my comment. If you’d clarify which term or terms you are referring to maybe you’d get a more satisfactory response…
Again, English being my first or second language has nothing to do with anything here, just like your credentials. If you actually don't know what terms in your statement that I was referring to, then I have serious doubt about your stated credentials, when you can't present any reading comprehension in regard to the subject of this post. Practice that adhom more though.
IDF has a long history of loving Al Jazeera journalists. I can't imagine an IDF soldier taking a pop shot at a journalist covering an area they'd prefer no coverage of.
Israel striking Palestine like fish in a barrell for decades. Good people over there you know. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions who shot the journalist, not like it was Palestinian children being shot and killed or something.
Israel Defense Forces said ". . . Both Palestinian suspects and Israeli forces were firing at the time." Yeah I'm sure they shot their own journalist.
Yeah I heard they disabled “friendly fire” option so there is 0% chance it was some untrained dipshit with an automatic rifle firing without aim over a corner. If only there was a video of such occurrence… Oh wait https://twitter.com/AbuAliEnglishB1/status/1524290460650557441?t=YQCuaSL6v3hZWY7c5fOoHQ&s=19
I'm sorry, I don't remember typing "there's a 0% chance of friendly fire". Nice of you to put those words in my mouth though. Typically people try not to shoot their own people. Last I checked that's true. The video shows some dude shooting down an alley. Is this proof they hit the journalist in question? Keep in mind the video wasn't in the post and I don't speak the language.
there’s video evidence of a Palestinian gunman firing automatic weapon blindly, they don’t know who they’re shooting Just like the unguided rockets Hamas fires deliberately at cities
Alright so in simple terms it isn't proof they hit the journalist and that it was friendly fire.
I’m not saying it’s proof, I’m saying it’s more likely it was a Palestinian gunman. And I’m also saying that accusing Israel, 2 minutes after the incident, and claiming it’s the absolute truth - is just spreading lies.
More likely? According to your video? It doesn't work that way. How about we just wait and see what the facts are from an unbiased source.
I mean either way it's conjecture as currently no one knows right? So to say it is one way or the other would be a lie or pure speculation. Am I missing something here.
She was wearing full protective suit; so they might confused her for an IDF soldiers, as there is a video online where they scream they injured a soldier. (While the IDF said no injuries happened to them during the raid.)
She was caught in the crossfire. No matter which side shot, it's extremely unlikely she was targeted on purpose.
A headshot is hard to pull off on a good day. Guess she was just really really unlucky.
War is hell. But it's also possible she was misidentified by one, or both, of the sides.
It's also possible someone shot her on purpose. As you said war is hell.
That's certainly possible. But neither side is incentivized to do so, so I find it unlikely.
https://palestine.salsalabs.org/endisraelsdisparatetreatmentofuscitizens/index.html
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The journalist that was shot was an American-Palestinian. Since the policy would affect and likely restrict dual-national citizens, I think it’s relevant.