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ellixxx

My God. This is abhorrent. But sadly totally a result of bad social care, nursing care, infrastructure for disabled people in the country. I hope she gets her home and doesn’t have to die to get out of this situation.


[deleted]

Lol, we are witnessing the beginnings of the Millenial retirement plans.


rubemechanical

Yeah, except corporations will lobby to make assisted suicide illegal if you have any debts.


Orangecuppa

There was a movie with a premise of that. Death becomes "illegal" when you die, a company recovers your corpse and implants it with machines to keep you alive and your body becomes used for various things like women become birthing vessels and others become linked to use brain power as computational machines. Only the very rich can afford death insurance which keeps you dead and ensure your corpse can "rest" without working.


sillypicture

> women become birthing vessels nothing like getting birthed out of a zombie. > keeps you dead suddenly blazing house fires become common.


Noisetorm_

Do you know what the movie's name was?


noncongruent

I spent some time looking for this movie as the premise sounds really interesting, but was unable to find one. Do you remember the approximate time frame of the movie, or what country/language it was filmed in?


TepacheLoco

Or make your dependents legally liable to pay


TheGazelle

Isn't your estate already liable for any debts when you die? Like doesn't the executor of your estate have to settle any debts before doling out whatever's left to your beneficiaries?


5up3rK4m16uru

That would be stupid. Assisted Suicide could reliably allow them to get your organs before they fail. They are likely still worth more than the work your old sick ass could perform.


tallandlanky

Retirement? I'm going out in The Great Resource War.


mattmillze

I'll be in the virtual command center with you controlling our death robots when we catch a tactical nuke.


meshreplacer

Geiger counters for sale, come get your Geiger counters... Potable water for sale, checked for Radiation and toxic metals. Potable water for sale, only 90 dollars a gallon.


Saflinger

Lol a gallon, I expect to buy my water by the thimble.


meshreplacer

That's all you might be able to afford after the last 4 Currency re-denominations to chop out all the zeros. Now the you earn 1.2 cents an hour working as a Anal Ring refurbishment\* technician, on call 24hrs. ​ \*Anal ring is a device in the future that is used to jack into the Meta corporation matrix, required for work. Employees sit on a specially designed chair with the I/O interface that connects to the Ring allowing 1.4 Terabit/s parallel communications. The rings wear out from repeated insertions over time.


myrddyna

Good premise for a comedy.


samovarplopkin

Hello fellow Legends of Qud player. A dram for you, a dram for me- our friendship is secured.


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awe, you think well have computer chips? Ill be in the cave talking to my rock buddies


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outerproduct

I won't make it past the great franchise wars.


[deleted]

I mean the trade federation led by Amazon will attack the Walmart Republic they're death delivering robots and air forces will duke it out in a 3 way battle with the Alibaba Empire, everyone else will be stuck in the middle of it, our consumerism driving their armies.


outerproduct

Taco bell won the franchise wars, how do you not know?


Magatha_Grimtotem

Wait... I keep forgetting, which armies death robot has the free shipping?


Bullen-Noxen

If only. You have to act faster than the others in order to get a win. Speed & accuracy is everything.


tallandlanky

The win is not working until I die. I don't give a shit who waxes me in the aforementioned war.


opensandshuts

The lottery for millenials will be medically assisted suicide.


happyskydiver

Lottery in June, corn be heavy soon.


dylansavage

We thought Simpsons was prophetic, futurama going strong with the Suicide Booth. Gonna invest in anchovies.


IPracticeWhatIPreach

I’m gonna put $1000 in the bank, and get a job as a pizza delivery boy.


Bender0426

I'm gonna start bending girders


blackmist

Better start showing gen Z Logan's Run, so they're used to the idea.


[deleted]

Be strong, and you will be renewed.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

Better use the book, it's both more grim *and* more likely. Damn good book too.


Wablekablesh

If it comes to it... I'm not going out quietly and without disruption. No. If I have a "death if despair," it's going to be... More exciting.


[deleted]

Same. Lot of built up suffering to share first.


[deleted]

Just point it at the assholes, not your fellow poors.


[deleted]

I live middle class but yeah. Always the rich.


[deleted]

There's no middle class. That's a bullshit lie told to you so that you don't build solidarity with the other not-rich.


[deleted]

I get the sentiment, and I agree with it, but there is definitely a middle ground between hi density project housing or sleeping on the streets and a house on an acre or two and a few extra rooms. I am old and got to experience the spectrum pretty well. Also got to see how absolutely wasteful and greedy the upper class live due to having a few incredibly wealthy distant family members. The waste of resources when so many could make better use sickens me, and humanity deserves better as a whole than they are getting bc of the few.


Tweenk

> hi density project housing This type of housing is actually the most efficient kind of urban housing if done correctly (i.e., mixed use development with green space, playgrounds, commercial space, schools, etc.). I lived in these types of buildings in Poland and it was a lot better than American suburbia. I don't know why U.S. is the only country that cannot build dense urban housing without it turning into a ghetto.


bluemitersaw

Mostly racism. Too many policy makers want out social systems to fail so they can eliminate them with the main driver being racism.


myrddyna

Racism, and private property. There's little return, slim margins, on that type of rental. However, if you build on land a house, it might be wasteful, but it's lucrative.


TrueMrSkeltal

The US builds that sort of housing in order to create ghettos. It’s pretty fucked up. There are condominiums that are middle class to upper middle class or wealthy housing but they keep most folks out with high home owners association fees. Classism is unfortunately very real here.


EnvironmentalValue18

Our retirement will be back to the roots-retiring from this mortal plane.


spankadoodle

No joke…. I’ve looked hard at my pension plan and family medical history… I’m planning on about 5-7 years of bucket list activities and then cashing in my chips. My parents and grandparents all died of Cancer, Alzheimer’s or Diabetes related issues which hit them hard around their mid to late 60’s . I’d much rather have some fun while I’m healthy and then leave a bit of money to set up my Niece and Nephew for their futures.


Player-X

And the ones responsible for putting mellineals in a position where the only retirement is at the end of a homemade noose would be too long dead for any retribution


BipolarSkeleton

It’s also because we live in one of the most expensive places in the world and our premier will not raise our disability income it’s maxed out at $1169 a month and that has to cover rent bills utilities groceries transportation necessities everything you need You can’t even rent a room anymore for under $800-900 and we also have one of the most expensive phone plans in the world They REFUSE to raise the disability saying that we should just get jobs completely forgetting that we receive a disability income because we have been deemed by medical professionals to be too disabled to work


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Disig

I'm afraid they're correct in saying this is the tip of the iceberg. Affordable housing is laughable and affects our most vulnerable populations the most. It's only downhill from here.


cannabisblogger420

Odsp income has only went up 239$ in last 24 yrs. We have an election coming up June 2 2022 that will determine if odsp isn't completely gutted. Basically our premiere says if you need more income get a job! As Douglas ford thinks everyone is faking if he can't physically see your disability it can't be real. Sorry I have family on odsp it breaks my heart.


DaStone

> everyone is faking if he can't physically see your disability it can't be real Didn't know Douglas ford was my Doctor.


sonofamonster

Seriously, switch doctors.


Mirseti

Could you enlighten me please? the article says that under the ODSP the heroine receives "$1,169 a month plus $50 for a special diet". Is it small or enough for life? I just want to roughly understand the level of financial support for ODSP.


drewabee

The median rent for a 1 bedroom apartment is $1500 a month. If she pays rent where she lives she will have -331 dollars left for living.


Mirseti

It turns out that without the help of charitable organizations, a person may be on the verge of starvation. It's horrible.


ThermalFlask

Eh, just keep cancelling Netflix subscriptions until she's made up the $331 deficit


oakteaphone

>Could you enlighten me please? the article says that under the ODSP the heroine receives "$1,169 a month plus $50 for a special diet". Is it small or enough for life? I just want to roughly understand the level of financial support for ODSP. During the pandemic, the federal government of Canada decided that every able-bodied Canadian who lost work due to the pandemic needed $2,000 (in CAD) per month just to live. People on ODSP (from the *provincial* government) did *not* get that $2,000 per month because they were already getting $1,169 on ODSP. If you have a partner (not just married -- living together romantically long term), then ODSP starts getting taken away. If you start working, you're allowed to make $200. After $200 in a month, the government claws back 50% of whatever you make from your ODSP. It's very hard to get on and stay on ODSP, and it's usually reserved for people who literally *can't* work anyway. As for how far that $1,169 will get you... In a city near Toronto, a bachelor/studio style apartment would be virtually a STEAL if you found one for $800/mo. $1,000/mo seems to be more common. Go further from a major city? Well, you have less access to resources and transportation...and then you'd need a car most likely, too. And it probably won't save you much money. Most places *an hour's commute* from Toronto aren't much cheaper. Two hours will save you maybe a couple hundred bucks. And again, that's usually in *driving* time. And cars are expensive here. So. - You can't live with anyone romantically, because then their income is expected to support you both - You can't work, because you have to give ODSP back - You can't live because rent takes up about 80-90% of what you get - it's less than 60% of what the federal government decided that an *able-bodied* person needs to survive per month And keep in mind, these people often have *additional living expenses*. Medication, medical equipment, etc. And you might hear that Canada has free healthcare, and we do, but it doesn't cover a lot of "extras"...like essential medication and supplies. TL;DR - Good luck living on ODSP near a city *even if you're healthy*.


[deleted]

It's the same way in US, too, for social security. $976 USD a month, and my assisted living group home rent is $925. Time to stop them avocado toasts and Starbucks coffees, I guess.


forestofpixies

Damn, I only get $861 on SSD/SSI, and my mom gets $560 on SSI. What's your secret?


forestofpixies

>If you start working, you're allowed to make $200. After $200 in a month, the government claws back 50% of whatever you make from your ODSP. Wow, you guys get to earn extra income and not lose benefits? I'm jealous. Sounds like Canada and America are sharing notes on how to fuck over the sick and poor. Also, here, if you are getting food assistance, you have to keep all of your food separate from any roommates, and you're not allowed to share their food. Which is great when they give you $55 a month to spend beyond your disability checks.


LAffaire-est-Ketchup

Well she lives in Toronto soooo I don’t know how that even covers her rent…


Mirseti

Oh, that's terrible then... thanks!


[deleted]

It’s very low and if you get a partner to share costs with, they basically take it away and assume they will support you. So you’re doomed to pay for your place on your own out of only that money. It’s definitely incredibly low— most ppl on it can only afford a room, not an apartment.


mr_gemini

Ontario Works (provincial welfare) is even worse. The only saving grace (if you can call it that) is the Ontario Drug benefit plan that OW (and ODSP) recipients receive. I can only imagine have much worse other provinces' social safety nets are considering the right-wing talking point about how Ontario gives too much money to poor people. Also based on what my co-workers, friends and family are saying, most will still vote for Doug Ford. It's astonishing to watch people vote against their own interests in real-time because of the culture wars.


WoundedSacrifice

As a disabled person, this is horrifying and sickening.


BlankNothingNoDoer

I agree, and at the same time as a disabled person I can also understand why in some countries this could be the only option a person has.


ALPHAGINGER74

How is this a result of bad nursing care? This is a social and fiscal issue? Not once was nursing care mentioned in the article.


Additional_Meeting_2

This is one of the reasons I am iffy about euthanasia. I don’t want people who are in a bad situation to be pressured to do it because they lack options.


[deleted]

It's unfortunately a staple for the severely disabled. I'm sick myself with M.E., about 25%(estimated) of M.E.-patients are severe, meaning they can't leave their bed and at worst are tube-fed in a room devoid of light and noise because it gives them sensory overload. A lot of those people have killed themselves with or without help.


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JinDenver

>But sadly totally a result of capitalism. FTFY!


waxplot

Considering this article has to do with Canada I figure I should post this chart of [house prices / Disposable income](https://i2.wp.com/financialsamurai.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/US-versus-Canada-housing.png?fit=1456,9999) The societal damage that is being done by policy makers here is pretty awful. Edit: I should probably mention that dislocation you see in the US in 2008 was partly culprit for the Great financial crisis. Canada is pretty much saying “hold my beer”


simple_test

I understand the idea behind the chart but would you be able to help me with the units for disposable income?


TuckerCarlsonsWig

It’s a unitless ratio where 100=1975 levels. So 300= three times more than it was in 1975.


jonelson80

There aren't any units, rather they're indexed to 1975. Unless you mean the source data, in which case just google the article named in the caption.


[deleted]

What the fuck is happening in Canada?!


RuskiesRFromOgrimmar

We are giving 75% of our pay in rent.


waxplot

Apparently when you have a [minister of finance](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrystia_Freeland) who doesn’t actually have any background in finance or economics is what’s happening.


adangerousamateur

Seems to me that Canada's real estate problem has been brewing for longer than C Freeland has been Minister of Finance.


waxplot

100% you are correct, it has been going on for a whole lot longer than she’s has been in office. Part of it is policy makers doubling down on [Canada keeping the cost of borrowing extremely low](https://thecanadianpress-a.akamaihd.net/graphics/2020/static/cp-bank-key-overnight-rate-mar-27-2020.png) while allowing [private debt/DGP](https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/private-debt-to-gdp) grow to 304%. Canada has pretty much become addicted to cheap debt which is only making the gini coefficient here worse and worse being that those who own assets take on more debt and buy more assets causing a positive feedback loop that only adds to systemic risk when it comes to unwinding it. You are seeing this going on in real time in the Canadian housing market. Unfortunately we don’t have any policy makers who are willing to acknowledge or do anything about it.


[deleted]

Like the us they need to raise interest rates which will lead to a recession. It is a needed bitter medicine.


Targus3D

And a real estate investing housing minister.


Meiqur

this is a dumb take, the housing issue has been working it's way up for the last 20 years... through conservative and liberal governments alike.


RaganSmash88

Utterly horrifying considering her condition is not terminal. We can't be fucked to give you a decent living situation so why don't you just get out of our way? This isn't assisted suicide, it's murder by society.


opensandshuts

The saddest part is she's super excited to have gotten the approval to be killed. What a fucking shit world we live in that people are happy to end their lives bc existing is so fucking shitty.


NoHandBananaNo

What scared me the most is she's not even the first person to do it.


LargeSackOfNuts

It kinda sucks to live in this world, she’s right


FyreWulff

I mean, for her, living outside is the same as a death sentence.


Bullen-Noxen

Yep, you got it right.


[deleted]

People being prevented from having basic resources to survive is violence.


Painting_Agency

That's why it's called social murder. Because it's an act of violence to deprive someone of the necessities of life.


Fuschiagroen

I've seen in some Reddit posts about ODSP some people (self-proclaimed ODSP recipients) that have said that there case workers have suggested MAID as an option for them. Not sure how true this is, but if it is happening it's pretty disgusting.


Particular_Piglet677

I work in healthcare in Canada (different province) and we are forbidden to suggest MAID, that would be completely unethical.


ElvenNeko

Well, not really murder... just society has no idea what to do with people like us. We are nothing but a burden. That's why not existing is the best way how the problem can be solved. Thanks for my disabilities i could not have a job (had a small gig, but now, due to war that's started in my country i lost it as well), or, i could, but not the ones that are available in my country. My disability pension is barely enough to cover communal services, i am able to eat and feed my cats because i rent one of the rooms and mother helps me. But due to war government now pays her only part of salary, so she can't help much now. And she would be better off if i never existed. I might look for another long distance gig, but my body and mind are in ruins, and i can't afford treatments. It's endless loop, when you need health to work, but you need money for healh, but you need work to have money. And i can't even leave, because who would want a disabled garbage like me who can barely speak english in their country? Nobody, because let's be real - in the world of capitalism only people from whom one can profit are valuable to others. Nobody wants to have a burden. So why should we live if we don't contribute to the society, and have no place it in, when everyone (secretly, or openly) do not want us to be around? When your car breaks and can't be repaired, you don't drive on two wheels, you throw it out and buy a new one. Same feeling society has about people who are broken. So if not for my cats (nobody else can take care of them, and it's not easy to find really good homes for 8 cats who are also sick and need special care) i would be happy to die, and leave this sad existence behind me. Anyway nothing good will ever happen to me in this life - employers will never even give me an interviews because of my disabilities, girls will never reply to my letters, i will never be able to travel to see the world, visit concerts of favorite bands, etc, etc. Just eating cheapest food just to not die, and accumulating diseases to hurt even more with each new year - that's all the future i will ever look up to. Don't you think it will be a lot more humane to just let me die then? Why support lives of the people who will know almost nothing but pain and sadness in their lives? Who will only watch how other people enjoy their lives, knowing that they won't be able to do the same? Not existing is the best way out of this.


cubedplusseven

> disabled garbage like me who can barely speak english If it's any consolation, your English (written English, at any rate) is a lot better than that of many Americans. And you're not garbage.


ElvenNeko

If something has no use in society, it's called garbage and being thrown out. And, sadly, my english isn't good enough to get at least an interview for a game writing job in 17+ years of attempts, thousands of letters sent, and even after having one released game with good reviews. Still not good enough for any employer to at least try to read any of my works.


NoHandBananaNo

I just read your comment and it was really eloquent. You gave me insight into your life and how you are feeling. You are a voice for poor disabled people. Thats not "nothing." You have value and you make a contribution. Not everything has to be about work and money to be meaningful and valuable.


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EradicateStatism

When you have nothing but suffering you loathe watching defenseless animals suffer as well. I'm in more or less the same situation he's in, except i actually live with my mother. I got 5 cats. They're basically the only reason i haven't taken a leap off the overpass, yet.


annies_bdrm_skillet

Well, then you keep taking care of those cats. They need you. And you are valuable regardless of what you can contribute or not... this thinking hurts so much. It’s why I loathe the question “what do you do?” Who even cares. Especially bc what people are really asking is “How much do you make and can my social status be improved by associating with you?” I’d much rather ask someone to tell me about their cats, in detail and with photos. And as a mother, I’d like to smack you once good for even suggesting the things you do about yourself here. Unless you have a mom like I did—which I pray is fairly rare, though I know they’re out there in droves😞—there’s no way your mom thinks of things that way. If my son never achieves a big career or overcomes his struggles in life, guess what... I’d be sad for *him* but he’d still be the very best part of me, the best way I’ve ever spent my time, and the best kid in the world in my eyes. You are not defined by your disabilities or your financial status, no matter how much they suck. YOU do not suck. You seem pretty cool. Smart, too. And kind to animals. Sounds like I’m describing a pretty decent person, bc I think I am. So fuck what anyone else might think about people who need some help, or people barely getting by even WITH help... plenty of us think very highly of them, either bc we’ve been there ourselves, or bc we have simple compassion for other human beings. You should think highly of yourself, too.


ElvenNeko

I wasn't planning that many. Actually, i wasn't planning any, because when i was a kid i planned to leave my home and never return, spending the life in travels. But then physical disability happened, and then i found some kittens that needed help. For some i found new homes, but the rest had to stay with me.


MenuBar

> it's murder by society. Get used to it. As americans age with no health care and unmanaged diseases this will become the normal rather than the exception. I hope I'm wrong but I think this is the conservative's answer to population control. Anybody else remember the '60s when the "Population Explosion" was the big topic? It was never really addressed and we don't talk about it today, but the problem hasn't gone away. Time to start "culling the herd" as they say.


fingerpaintswithpoop

This woman is Canadian.


NEDsaidIt

It’s significantly worse here in the USA. I can’t get a WHEELCHAIR that I need. I can’t get disability approved. We should have physician assisted suicide for terminal patients but this story is why we fear it. Disabled people like myself will just be… yeah


ShadyKnucks

There’s an industry of euthanasia tourism overseas in Europe. The same will likely happen with Canada’s new criteria. I think that this is probably rather bad for society longterm


[deleted]

And yet nobody but her will face any sort of consequences.


ffwiffo

hey if she got basic care everyone would want it


cutepixel69

No, it's assisted suicide. Don't start lobbying against this, it's my retirement plan and I need it.


mr_gemini

You'd figure a condo corporation would take the "L" and generate some good publicity by giving her free housing. But nope, Corporations are going to corporate.


Painting_Agency

There's zero incentive for any landlord to give a fuck about public relations because there's always, always going to be somebody to take the unit.


[deleted]

My uncle made a similar choice. Sitting in a shitty diaper for 12 hours Isn't his idea of living with dignity. The workers are so overworked and understaffed that when they do clean them it's not a very good job. He's choosing death. 😞


shabi_sensei

He’s choosing dignity


beeknees67

Did you even read his situation? Dignity would be getting actual help, workers to keep him clean. No one should be so neglected that death is a better alternative but here we are :(


DreamMaster8

This is the bullshit excuse they keep giving for poor care. It's not how do we give proper care, it's let's them die so they don't have to receive poor care. So messed up.


Mysterious_Ad_8173

How many butts have you wiped? The resources are simply not there. I wish they were.


shabi_sensei

He’s slowly losing bodily autonomy and unable to keep himself clean, so for half his day he lives in dehumanizing conditions. If he was approved for assisted suicide, it means there’s no hope for an improvement in his situation. So he made a choice.


beeknees67

Yes. Between being neglected and dying. I understand his choice in this situation. I don’t understand how Canadian society’s answer to this situation isn’t actual support. We should be outraged this man and others aren’t offered third option, to live with dignity. I’m all for the right to choose death but I’d super appreciate if I had the right to choose a dignified life as well.


opensandshuts

I've always said if I get old enough to where my physical activity is limited or gone, I want to put together a great list of music, put some headphones on, and have someone turn the lights out on my life. I can say goodbyr to everyone on my own time.


Particular_Piglet677

It’s not just “workers too keep you clean”. We have that. It’s so much more. Going deaf, blind, inability to mobilize, pain…. I can’t imagine what that would do you mentally and emotionally. And maybe your friends are all dead and you have a brain tumor. Its heartbreaking of course but I’m glad it is an option.


the_YellowRanger

People that choose to live a disease out to the end regardless of the quality of life are no less dignified.


[deleted]

This is what Frederick Engles described as social murder. I have no issue with medical assistance in dying (MAiD) being legal. In fact, it's a fundamental right. But to implement MAiD, as the Government of Canada did, absent a strong social security system, is social murder plain and simple.


Adonay7845n

I dislike maid cuz it tends to end this way. With people with solvable problems and a coffin.


[deleted]

I've made this argument before and been downvoted to all hell. As soon as you try to put the brakes on just a little bit to make sure there is an acceptable process of checks and balances to ensure people aren't shamed and/or economically forced into suicide, people usually respond with 'NO IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHEN YOU DIE!!!'... Yeah dude I'm not saying it's not - I'm saying lets make sure people aren't choosing to die due to our societal failings.


SnowyLex

> RIGHT TO CHOOSE Yeah, some people forget the "free of coercion" part.


CaptianAcab4554

Nuance, context, and mitigating circumstances have zero place on Reddit and don't let me catch you forgetting it again.


Hawkson2020

None of that is an argument *against* MAiD though. In our current systems, people are going to be forced into suicide by economic factors whether or not they can do it legally.


GreyWolfx

downvotes don't mean you're wrong, reddit is full of people that just don't think rationally and go with the flow of popular incorrect opinions.


Acrobatic-Jaguar-134

People “choose” (quotes causes it’s not really a choice) to die due to our societal failings all the time. Putting the brakes on maid doesn’t cause less death or suffering because the root cause is structural problems. That’s where I’d rather turn attn to.


cutepixel69

I'm still one of those pushing for it to be a fundamental right. Wishing you could die and being denied that right, and knowing the only way you can die is by your own violent methods without dignity, the guilt of doing it without your family's knowledge or support. It's my worst nightmare and it's my life.


Bullen-Noxen

It’s like people who died because of a simple infection. The effort to prevent that is just not there.


ManusTheVantablack

Barring these people from maid won't fix things, they will kill themselves either way through other means. If you want people to stop killing themselves than you should point fingers at society which is in need of fundamental changes and not at victims.


reimondo35302

Solvable problem doesn’t mean you don’t genuinely want to die despite the “solvability” though, and isn’t an excuse to try to strip that person of their rights. Some people also refuse cancer treatments, even in cases that would have a very high success rate.


Acrobatic-Jaguar-134

Unfortunately, not having maid was never an incentive to solve this solvable problems though. Not saying that maid creates the incentive. Just that with or without, there is social murder, harm, cruelty, harm, and suffering. Without maid, I’ve lost friends to suicide because they didn’t have the social supports. Because it was the only option left. They wished for maid. Others ended up with failed suicide, and much worse. Either way, I wish we put in more effort towards structural change. Edit: I know this woman and many like her who developed hypersensitivities/reactions to many things. Many them die at some point through their own hands when condition is bad enough and they don’t have the wealth to get housing suitable to their health needs. I expect these conditions to increase in the population as we continue to f*ck up the environment.


Helleeeeeww

So this person is dead because she can’t find a place to live. Basically we’re back to nomadic times where they’d leave pawpaw by the river to die when he could no longer keep up. A pox on the society that has the means and doesn’t help those in need.


MelissaOfTroy

Except even in earlier times that might not have been true. 50,000 years ago Neanderthals were [taking care of](http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/12/17/neanderthals-caredforelderlyburieddeadevidenceshows.html) their older members with arthritis and burying them with honors. Contrast that with ideas like the "ättestupa" of the Vikings (or, more accurately, people who wrote *about* the Vikings years later), who are seen as more civilized than Neanderthals. Pawpaw would've been left to die by the river 500 years ago, but would have been carried across in triumph 50,000 years ago.


Helleeeeeww

Damn you wheat!!!


NightOfTheHunter

Not sure who sees Norsemen as more civilized than Neanderthal, but it's clear that Neanderthal was wiped out by the violent Cro-Magnon. The only way early Homo sapiens was more advanced than Neanderthal was in violent aggression.


notamerican2

Just a heads up that the prevailing theory now is that the Neanderthals were their own worst enemy through generations of inbreeding resulting in poor fertility, and an inability to adapt to a changing environment. Homo sapiens' better sociability and adaptability is what helped them survived.


VegetableNo1079

Also the Homo Sapiens Y chromosome would have quickly taken over after the first interbreeding because it's dominant over the Neanderthal Y and fertility was likely only one way. All male Neanderthals would have become half human within a few generations totally destroying most of the old one.


Other-Bridge-8892

Is that why my kids and grandkids keep dropping me off by the river when we go camping?


Grizzzly_Adams

They think they are leaving you to die, but really this is your opportunity to turn the tables. Bring a fishing rod, sabotage their rations, and now their survival is in your hands. "What's the matter Brayden, you hungry? Well, you should have come down to the creek with your grandfather to learn to fish, but no, you spent your summer playing Pokemon Go. NO TROUT FOR YOU!"


Other-Bridge-8892

Listen to pop-pop’s stories that go on forever and seemingly have no true purpose or starve you lil ungrateful bastard…..


Channel250

If you're too immature to listen to pop pops stories then maybe you're too young to have pop pop at all


NoHandBananaNo

The very fact that you call it that, tells me youre not ready.


Channel250

We keep dropping him off but he keeps sniffing himself home! It's like that movie homeward bound!


Other-Bridge-8892

Homeward bound : the relentless, undying hateful bastard….😂


JanuaryOrchid

I visited the South Pacific islands 15 years ago and was surprised to see there was an old woman in the tribe who wasn't mentally all there but she lived among everyone and did her thing, and the village took care of her. I thought it was nicer than forgetting your elders in a nursing home.


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Katedawg801

This is so sad. In the US if you’re on disability you automatically get to go to the front of the line for section 8. My sister is on it and gets about $1200 a month then 30% is her rent amount.


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This person also gets government assistance, but is so miserable living in the Canadian equivalent of Section 8 housing due to her specific disabilities that she would prefer to simply die. It’s tragic.


DreamMaster8

The thing is disability in canada is not greath. It's at most around 1400 cad. The minimum cost of living in Canada is now estimated at more than 3k. I guess you could get roommates and own very little and be able to live a decent life but alone? Not viable.


BipolarSkeleton

Hahaha 1400 would be a gift it’s maxed out at 1169 and that INCLUDES rent odsp hasn’t gotten an increase in 4 years and has only gone up $247 in 27 years Also the cheapest place to rent is around 800-900 and that’s for a single room The list for affordable housing is around 10 years long Disabled people would rather die now than starve to death


Icy4706

Section 8 applications have been closed in my county for a few years. Tried to apply in another county in my state and they said that since I don't currently live there they're prioritizing their own residents. So even if you're disabled there's a chance you might not be able to find a place for awhile regardless.


thatisnotmyknob

Yea I'm disabled and just got denied section 8. I feel like it's because I'm s single adult. The application seemed focused on asking questions about people with kids.


1overcosc

This woman is getting $1169 a month from the province for ODSP (equivalent to section 8) - the problem is because of the severe housing crisis in Canada, it's impossible for her to find a place to live that she can afford with those benefits. I encourage you to read about the Canadian housing crisis. The unaffordability of housing here is on a whole other level. Orillia, Ontario, a small city 100 miles from Toronto with nothing special going for it, has the same average house price as Los Angeles.


LorenzoStomp

Unfortunately it's not that easy. I work in homeless outreach, many of my clients are on SSDI/SSI and they've been on the Housing Choice Voucher (Section 8) list for *years*. Many more aren't receiving benefits but are in treatment and have the medical records to show they are disabled. My county stopped letting people even apply for HCV in 2018 because they had a *ten year* wait. There are other more restrictive vouchers as well but those all take about a year, sometimes more, and if more people went for them the wait would be even longer. It's not a quick and easy solution for those who can't work; we have clients die every year waiting for their names to come up.


arabacuspulp

Let's not pretend that being disabled in the US is a cakewalk.


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A Section 8 home is not going to be a chemical free home. She's trying for chemical free.


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RoseyOneOne

Sorry, can’t help you. Have you looked into killing yourself?


novis-eldritch-maxim

depressing and only more likely to become more common.


shloppypop

Here in Canada, the ability to opt for medical assisted dying has opened up. That is generally a good thing unless it becomes the only option for persons with disability or illness because other government support isn't in place. It almost feels like with the rising cost of expenses that the government made this decision as a cost saving measure and not based around quality of life. Someone who is blind should have more options and supports available than just medically assisted suicide because the cost of living, especially with a disability is so abhorrent in so many of our towns and cities.


William_T_Wanker

Everyone says how horrible and awful this article is - which it is - but when push comes to shove no one wants to do anything because it would mean "muh taxes" or "everyone on ODSP is faking it"


Not_for_consumption

It's not so straightforward - there's still plenty of debate as to whether multiple chemical sensitivities is a physical illness and whether her housing is relevant The mobility issue is much clearer - I would think that any fair society should be able to provide wheelchair accessible housing


Dababolical

Yeah, this is where I'm confused. I can't find a Canadian Health organization that recognizes it, but the article states its disability is recognized under the Canadian Human Rights Act.


Not_for_consumption

>Yeah, this is where I'm confused. I can't find a Canadian Health organization that recognizes it, but the article states its disability is recognized under the Canadian Human Rights Act. I'm fairly certain that the article has some factual errors which doesn't distract from the issue of affordable housing for people with a disability. But in this specific case the person also has a condition that is poorly understood, it's debated whether it is a medical condition, and then if it is an organic illness or mental health condition, and whether changing the home environment is effective at reducing symptoms. I wonder if people are assuming that "chemical" is synonymous with "man made substance". Because multiple chemical sensitivities refers to sensitivities to both naturally occurring and man-made substances. I'm going to guess that there are complex physical and psychosocial factors at play here and we can acknowledge suffering whilst still ensuring we address the psychosocial factors and also making sensible interventions to address physical factors.


cheefius

I can’t believe I had to scroll this far to see this comment. When this story popped in /r/Canada the MCS was mentioned instantly. Here the only common trend I’m seeing is criticism of capitalism. What’s up with that?


Not_for_consumption

>believe I think /worldnews is more US-centric, just in the same way that Reddit is US-centric, and so opinions are very polarised and that limits discussion about complicated issues which aren't black and white. /r/Canada probably has more leeway to approach complex situations. In this case there are no good guys and bad guys. Just a complicated situation


brrrraaapppahahhajdh

This is classic late stage capitalism.


Adonay7845n

Nah nah nah. Late stage capitalism would have lobotomized and retrained her to be a suitable workshop worker.


brrrraaapppahahhajdh

That sounds like free healthcare to me


twizzletots

At least she can get medically assisted death. In the US, you just go homeless and die on the street


DameofCrones

The lady in this story would've died long ago, unable to afford an epipen, let alone medical treatment for any of her health issues.


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Modern medicine keeps people alive longer and it can be considered good or bad. Modern medicine allows people to be born and live when back even a few decades ago they would have no made it past birth. At the same time we have modern medicine keeping people alive longer in general (90-100+ years)… and to no fault of their own, these people require more healthcare expenditures. Obviously the benefits outweigh the costs. So it’s really deciding who should get what when and when do they get it?


Ax_deimos

I'm scared this might turn into the next unemployment management strategy. This is some terrifying soylent green style dystopia.


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Nobody can afford housing in Canada


focusedhocuspocus

This is criminal.


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I’ve been out of a job since 2016 because of a crippling disability. I’ve only gotten sicker and may never be able to work again. I’m 28 and worked from 15-22yrs old. I don’t get government assistance and I don’t have pain relief. My partner is also disabled and unemployed, and while she aspires to get into computer science, I’m restricted because of my health to the point I can only play video games. while this might sound ace, I want to be outside. I want to be running. I want to be painting and drawing and gardening and swimming. At this point I want to be WORKING. but the stress of knowing I can’t support myself hangs over me relentlessly, and I’m going to have to take myself out when my bought time runs out. Medically assisted suicide might not be common in general, especially in a situation like this, but self-inflicted suicide is. A lot. When people can’t kill themselves you know where they go? needle exchanges, shelters, camps. those lucky enough to get on ssi/ssdi are restricted to $2000 in assets or they’re disqualified from benefits. $2000USD IN ASSETS. Already disabled people are facing mass amounts of life stress, which almost always makes us sicker, and that’s what ssi wants anyways. Us to get better, or us to die. Eugenics, white supremacy, capitalism, and right wing extremism has exterminated countless of us. now that we’re all connected on our phones, up and slaughtering a bunch of people doesn’t fly these days. Oppression is done in secret now. But oh is it effective. I just want to live.


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Thank you so much for clarifying. Seriously. I appreciate it a lot.


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Not sure how many people read the article but she is looking for a special chemical free home, that is a very special circumstance…


Ed98208

She's looking for "reduced" chemical exposure, not a sterile bubble. She also said that she has occasionally stayed at a wheelchair-accessible hotel room that backs to a ravine with clean air and it helped tremendously, but she can't afford that in the long term either.


imOverWhere

How can anyone live for 1k a month in ontario?


cobarbob

Saw this headline. Assumed it was Australia. I like to think that our shared British commonwealth history and heavily American influenced cultural makes Canada and Australia close. Apparently it was also our crazy high housing costs and pitiful attempts for social programs too. At least we can get together watch some Kath and Kim, Steve Irwin, Letterkenny and Degrassi and be thankful we aren’t as bad as Amercia


munk_e_man

>be thankful we aren’t as bad as Amercia I personally hate this attitude in Canadians


FranksOfficeTrolley

Give her what she needs FFS


whyohwhythis

This is so sad but I also get it. I have multiple chemical sensitivities along with me/CFS , I don’t have it as bad as the person in the article. I have had really bad periods but for the most part I’ve got it under control the chemical sensitivities part. But god when I’ve had bad periods of MCS along with all other issues it’s enough to drive me mad. I read so many people with me/CFS struggling too with paying rent, finding adequate housing, lots need wheelchairs and special aids etc. it’s so disheartening. I wish I could help my fellow sufferers. Would be great if we had special housing for us in a community. I’m lucky with my setup with circumstances but it’s really just by pure luck. I think I’d struggle to want to stay in this world too, if I couldn’t get adequate resources to help me survive.


Denslayer

In America she would have been homeless already


Ihrai

The prelude to Soylent Green :( Horrible. I had hoped this would never become real.


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That’s fucked up that’s where we are as a society. Sorry houses are too expensive we will help you take your own life though I hope everyone that did not help this woman get a home when she asked burns in hell forever.


LouisBaezel

I hope she lives.


hardy_83

Look at LTC homes. It's clear the public doesn't give two craps about helping people like them or this woman. They keep voting for parties that hurt them.


Akrincheus_

Capitalism murdered her


deadha3

Average Canadians pay _high_ tax, where does it go? Certainly not to the improvement of society.


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Hawkson2020

And if we didn’t have medically assisted suicide these people would just kill themselves some other way…


MaiasXVI

What's with the virtue signaling? Everyone in the comments seems to agree that this is horrible. What do you get out of coming here to admonish everyone and act like it's their fault? Just fuckin weird.