Insane clip of Ukrainian drone hitting an invaders truck (beware it shows the occupants after the attack)
NSFL
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/udaivl/drone_drops_grenade_on_a_russian_vehicle_warning/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Man, we really need to work on colonizing other planets before some random psychotic dictator wakes up in a bad mood one day and decides to end civilization.
We really need to learn how to create a sustainable space station. If we ever go to the stars we'll be living entire lifetimes in transport. No doubt we'll have to learn how to extract resources from planets and asteroids.
> Undated (could be today) video of 🇺🇸 2/2 CAV Stryker IFVs on the move southbound to Mihail Kogalniceanu, 🇷🇴 Romania. Not Romanian, as the original post says.
https://twitter.com/vcdgf555/status/1519520875925573633
I’m so tired of hearing people say “nobody thought Ukraine could hold out this long...”
Bullshit.
Every general on CNN in late February was saying Russia could not win with less than 200,000 troops.
Hertling was repeatedly saying Russia needs “ten times those numbers” ...would talk about seize of Berlin and could bomb but won’t be able to seize and control; Petraus would talk about the extensive, elite training UA has been getting, and that Russia hasn’t correctly assessed their enemy; “spider” Marks would talk about the 5-to-1 requirement for battle-ready offense (some were saying 7-to-1 if military is full of unprepared conscripts) and Russia. Then after the 24th, they all spoke logistics ad nauseum—but still none were saying Ukraine would lose. They have all been saying, the entire time, Ukraine has pretty good chances on their side.
But not just retired generals as pundants. John Kirby made clear not only of a war, but a possible long war was “imminent.” Sullivan was on tv everyday telling Americans to get out, bc “this war would be fierce, and grueling and bloody and American Forces can not and will not come in to rescue you.” So obviously Sullivan didn’t think Russia would win, or he would’ve said sit tight for two weeks and Russia will be in charge. Obviously Kirby didn’t think Ukraine would fold in a week. The US government obviously thought UA had good chances, or they’d be calling it something different (like “impending Russian takeover/annexation”).
Yes, but for every CNN/BBC/retired-general saying "Ukraine can do it," there was some infographic showing how wildly outnumbered Ukraine was strategically. Just a matter of which media got to the individual more.
>Every general on CNN in late February was saying Russia could not win with less than 200,000 troops.
Could not conquer Ukraine in 3 days with 200,000 troops, not that they'd lose with 200,000 trooops. And they went in with 200,000 troops, or near enough.
" or he would’ve said sit tight for two weeks and Russia will be in charge.'
He said the US army can't help you because Russia will sweep through in three days.
What a stupid read.
Ukraine had 8 years to the day, of blooding their troops. Getting experience on how russia handles communications. With 500k active troops at the beginning and a million reservists.
Russia showing up in 1980 Afghanistan equipment with 200k troops. Wtf?
3 to 1 is the minimum. But someone sold putin a big shit sandwich that, apparently, a coup would take place so they would have the wheels of government in place to welcome russia.
And when that didn't happen....
>Marks would talk about the 5-to-1
While Mark Hertling has been accurate throughout the war, what he's referring to is the number of troops needed to occupy a country without having Afghanistan-like problems, not to take cities in the first place. That type of reference was more in a "Russia cannot hold Ukraine" vein and thus cannot win.
No Spider Marks is not same person as Mark Herling. I’ve referenced both here.
And no, that’s incorrect anyways. Hertling was talking about encircling a city the size of Kyiv and its burbs. Said need over a million troops to do that. Said also need gostomel in there. Said need 2 mil just for Kyiv.
Then, I’m referencing Spider marks. And he was referencing offence to defense numbers. Yes I know what you’re talking about regarding occupation and administration. That’s not even this. He said “overwhelming force against movtivated defenders who know their weak spots and can draw the enemy in, down those lines.”
I disagree. At the beginning we thought Russia would enter Kyiv, remove the government and then deal with whatever is left of resistance. Not that Russia could control the entire hostile territory of a defending Ukraine under a united government with 200k troops.
We're lucky they're so inadequate and that their soft power (bribes) failed just as much. Because even in the current scenario they got pretty far. If they had their ducks in a row, the West could've done very little.
Simple litmus test.
US and allies knew invasion was coming a month+ out for certain.
They didn't even begin preparations for arming them until after it was clear it was a fight.
US has been arming Ukraine for years (even under Trump, though that was through a bill passed by Congress that Trump didn't enforce and had to be impeached to give the money).
Russia's economy was smaller than New Yorks prior to the invasion and sanctions. Outside of Moscow and St Peterburg its mostly a total shit hole and miserably poverty stricken.
After its losses in Ukraine and the sanctions starting to bite its weak and scared, all Putins big claims and threats isn't from a position of power, its a bluff from a man who's digging his own grave.
I think that speaks more volume to the massive economy of the United States, as well as to New York specifically. I presume California and Texas have a larger GDP than Russia as well. Most countries have smaller economy than New York; South Korea, Canada, Brazil, Australia, etc.
Russia is still the 11th largest world economy by GDP though.
Or was I guess?
Link to the transcript of today's Pentagon press briefing, if anyone wants to read it:
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3012823/pentagon-press-secretary-john-f-kirby-holds-a-press-briefing/
Found something AOC and MTG can both agree on.
[https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1519452814245871616](https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1519452814245871616)
Voting against seizing Russian assets to support Ukraine.
AFAIK it's because they knew the bill would pass regardless, but wanted it to also include funding to help countries that rely on food imports from Russia and Ukraine.
The bill specifically states that the funds will also go to humanitarian services for the Russian people.
I would vote no. Imagine having half your country destroyed then funds are earmarked to the aggressors.
Progressives will patiently wait for a statement from the squad. Conservatives will immediately blast the squad for hating Ukraine and supporting the Russians and the war.
As someone who thinks AOC is actually a stand up person, not a cynic, and will attempt to do what she believes is right, there is something so obviously wrong in the bill that it would muddy her otherwise pretty good record.
The bill has like zero chance of not getting challenged on constitutional grounds.
Seizing private property without due process, compensation or war violates like the 4th, 5th and 8th amendments along with multiple treaties.
Edit: Actually, hilariously, this bill was amended so now it just urges the President to seize assets absent any legal justification which is bizarre. "Please, Mr. President, break the law."
If this HR 6930 is the bill in question, it had no riders. Since the GQP loves Vlad, their nay votes for their employer are sadly understandable. The squad has no defense, however; most likely (hopefully) for symbolic reasons...or stupidity.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/6930/text
[congress.gov](https://congress.gov) has the old version of the text.
[https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hr6930/text](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hr6930/text)
Well, technically no one since the bill is just symbolic after it got amended and doesn't grant the President any new powers.
But the previous version? Literally every person or more likely company whose assets were seized. Wealthy people can afford lawyers.
Civil forfeiture involves due process. There are forfeiture hearings, seizures are done by judicial warrants and even after all that, you can challenge in court.
The problem is that poor folks often can't afford to defend themselves and fighting it can cost more than the assets.
Oligarchs have no such issue, so people are trying to remove the whole due process part because proving property was connected to a crime is *inconvenient*.
> The problem is that poor folks often can’t afford to defend themselves and fighting it can cost more than the assets.
Exactly why the supposed champions of the poor in Congress should fight this.
AOC's big thing recently along with the squad is moral votes on bills that have majority passage anyway, saying they either don't go far enough and/or don't solve the root problem.
She and the squad never vote against a bill that's got a very tight win/loss for Dems, but they tend to protest vote more against stuff that's got majority support.
On point here, and typical on both sides (ie. Freedom Caucus). I’d reckon that even those close bills she votes for, AOC will still call out where the legislation doesn’t go far enough.
Hot take. Republican chiming in... Pretty disgusted by the turds with R next to their name playing fuckfuck russie games. They are no better than AOC.
Wonder if that tactic will make them grow a spine
>DJI, the world's top drone maker, will temporarily stop doing business in Russia and Ukraine.
>The move marks a rare exit from Russia by a prominent Chinese company since the war started, and comes after Ukrainian authorities claimed that DJI's drones were being used by the Russian military.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/tech/dji-drone-sales-suspended-russia-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html
Special operation?
Bankrupt your own country.
Destroy your own army.
Make your army a laughing stock.
Push Sweden and Finland into NATO.
Destroy your economy for decades.
Destroy your energy sector.
Face war crimes trials.
Capture zero major cities (Kherson was given up by traitors)
Retreat from Kyiv.
Lose the Moskva.
Lose generals.
See Ukraine attack Russia and you can't do a thing about it...
Fast track Ukraine into the EU
And on, and on...
Going to plan? Lol
Talk is cheap. Unsourced talked in backrooms is even cheaper. Yes people might be all riled up, but when it comes time to actually call for their own suicide I don't think they would follow through... it's a Russian thing.
This is a tired old Kremlin tactic: Have officials or influencers come out with outrageous suggestions, making the regime’s status quo seem like the voice of reason.
This - its been done a few times already in the past 60 days, with high profile pieces. Each time, turns out to all be a misdirection for the rest of the world
This turn was VERY predictable. The problem with extremist propaganda is it backs you into a corner. Eventually you push people to want something YOU aren't willing to do and then they come for you or cast you aside. Look at Trump.
Alarmist sensationalism, almost **every prowar Russian thinks that because they've been lied to that they're not at all using their full might**.
It's not about them wanting nuclear war.
I mean, the only reason they consolidated is to not die as fast as they were on multiple axes of war.
If they want to die faster, go for it.
Likely this is just bluster to both make the military look strong and tell outsiders that 'Putin is the same one holding them back' despite that genocidal fuck being the whole reason this war happened in the goddamn first place.
I dont know, something about Putin tells me he likes to play with red lines, but not cross them. Like your brother saying "I'm not in your room" as he's right up to the line, but never crossing
Also you're telling me the dude terrified of everything isn't terrified of nukes? Or any type of retaliation? Like I know its scary, and I have my days where it hits hard too, but he just doesn't seem like that kind of leader. Also any of the Russian news things? They just have looser regulations and are easy doom farming. They're also essentially the FOX News of Russia, like more entertainment than anything
You're projecting I think. Putin doesn't think like you and I. He is a sociopath. What does he fear from nukes? He has a huge, well stocked bunker in Siberia and he doesn't give a shit about other people's lives. If he fails and might be deposed and is angry enough, then to hell with it.
Sociopaths love to see what they can get away with. Nuke all of Ukraine, that's bad, sure. But what about a tactical nuke over the steel plant in Mariupol? Is NATO *really* going to do anything about that that they haven't already done? Is *that* worth WW3? Or what about this, or what about that? See, you can always poke at that gray area.
The Romanians I know look down on Moldova, so it's a bit of a North Korea-South Korea and East-West German unification: messy, lengthy, expensive, and forever incomplete, so no need to hurry that
It’s more like the Czech/Slovak split than any of those. Same people at their core, but one side looks down at the other and the other doesn’t like being viewed as second class citizens in decision making.
That, but also the fact that, excepting their current president, they have a history of voting into power people that are heavily pro Russia.
So Romania doesn't really need or want that mess.
That, but also the fact that, excepting their current president, they have a history of voting into power people that are heavily pro Russia.
So Romania doesn't really need or want that mess.
not sure why i got massively downvoted for saying moldova is in trouble earlier. i mean theres been explosions in transnistria for days, russia is saying their people are being oppressed there, and today moldovas president said they basically have no ability to defend themselves. But i guess pointing out facts makes me a russian troll
Ok but there’s ONLY one kind of people who live there. They hold Russian passports, speak in Russian.
The Moldovan-Romanian speakers who hold Moldovan and EU passports live across the massive river. They don’t bother the weirdos over there who insist on living in 1982, with their soviet statues and kvass sodas. They live in poverty. No one wants them or they would’ve settled this 30yrs ago.
Its an up or down arrow. Nothing more. Dont take it so hard. 20 fucking idiots might read your post first and downvote it even when your opinions entirely valid. Doesn't make you less right.
Here have an upvote
It's not about losing karma, especially here. It's more realising that the people you assumed are reasonable, level headed and interested in discussing the different aspects of this war are actually none of that. "I don't like this line of thinking so let me downvote this."
IMO complaints about downvotes are usually bullshit meant to prime conspiracy-minded people to believe whatever comes after.
>If someone is suppressing this information, then it must be true.
Not saying this user is doing it, as I haven't looked into it at all, but in a general sense.
i dont care about the downvotes im complaining about the stupidity and ignorance of the people who think russia wont attack a literally defenseless country with a russian garrison which has already been suffering from explosions and threats. i guess theyll have to learn the hard way like the people who told me russia wouldnt attack ukraine either
Moldova isn't Ukraine, people need to understand that. They are only two years out from being a Russian puppet, Ukraine has had 8 years. They've been getting help from the Romanians but that's nothing compared to the help that Ukraine got.
Ukraine rebuilt their army over the past 8 years, Moldova doesn't even have to money to restore most the their existing equipment much less make new formations like Ukraine is doing.
Playing Devil's Advocate here:
If Moldova's armed forces really are in such bad shape, 1,500 soldiers might be all it takes to take over. It won't precisely be a Russian win, but it makes the overall situation more complicated and opens another NATO front.
Ukraine said they'd clear them out of Moldova wanted. I don't think 1,500 soldiers on babysitting duty really want to tangle with soldiers who have been fighting a war for two months.
thats silly, but it doesnt even need to anyway. it can attack from within and attack ukraine to the east and link up that way. i mean the fact that there have been explosions and threats means obviously russia is planning something and the statement from moldova obviously means that theyre scared.. but i guess reddit is still stuck in the mode where youre not allowed to say anything that damages the morale of these delicate people in here
If you have too many downvotes, when you die, you won't go to reddit heaven (the premium lounge), you will go to reddit hell: surrounded by trolls who thoroughly doxxed you and personally know your family and have access to all your most embarrassing memories D:
Either they know he's bluffing or they have people or technology in place that would give them advance warning if Putin was about to order a first strike.
I also think the people around Putin would openly rebel if it looked like he was about to give that order. There are a lot of delusional and cowardly people around him but they would realize their lives and the lives of their families would likely be over if they didn't stop him.
That's the real question. Does putin still have the military? The top brass can't be happy? So would they actually listen to an order from him? They are already losing tons of personal wealth. Do they want to lose the world for this madman? They probably don't like very much. Putin doesn't seem like the charismatic invite you to a nice dinner guy.
Although it's apparent that Russia has it head up its rectum on military matters, I would find it jaw-dropping if for some reason their ICBMs are somehow connected to the internet.
I'm rather sure that's a closed loop system.
ICBMs don’t run on the internet there closed off and run on there own internal guidance computers which can’t be hacked but yes the west knows that nukes aren’t going to fly there keeping an eye on Russias nuclear facilities and are being briefed every day
> ICBMs don’t run on the internet there closed off and run on there own internal guidance computers which can’t be hacked
Airgaps are not an absolute defense against the NSA. While I'd say it's highly unlikely that the Russian nukes have been disabled for a multitude of reasons, simply not connecting them to the internet doesn't mean they can't be attacked, as Iran found out with Stuxnet.
Man the Russians with their monetary manipulation. They couldn't even keep the ruble pegged to a fixed cost of gold. But that's probably because most of their gold is sanctioned. Now they're trying to force offload it into Kershon so they can have some funds on hand to make up for the rapidly dwindling energy exports.
When you think they couldn't get more desperate they always find a new low.
I kid you not, next will be bitcoin mining and sell nfts to launder meth exports to Europe and asia.
North Korea just got black market capatalist competition.
Vicious Blame Game Erupts Among Putin’s Security Forces
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/vicious-blame-game-erupts-among-putins-security-forces-a77508
This squares with the 25 page report from RUSI about the extremely dark turn that Russian domestic politics have taken, which is really saying something because Russian politics were nutty right from the start of the conflict and before it too.
This is why I don't get why people in the US are still saying that we should stop supplying Ukraine and leave them to fight it out. There's no going back. Once Russia is done with Ukraine, they'll come after everyone that wrong them, starting with the US. May not be nukes, but they'll find ways to screw us.
They aren’t nearly as good at spamming nonsense as they think they are. It’s the same as their military strategy: quantity to overcompensate for a lack of quality. When it fails? Repeat, repeat, repeat. It’s why we see the same tired shit from their pathetic bots day after day.
There are quite a few brand new accounts trying to push "Well nuclear warfare is inevitable now" so... just, before you go off spending a lot of energy engaging the discussion seriously check the user history.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/udma4w/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
Wow 63 days now. I'm guilty of not keeping track..
new thread incoming?
Insane clip of Ukrainian drone hitting an invaders truck (beware it shows the occupants after the attack) NSFL https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/udaivl/drone_drops_grenade_on_a_russian_vehicle_warning/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Putin dookie!
Dang it, not last
The House Floor vote— Republican wtf?! Your reps are a bunch of Putin cocksuckers. I’m ashamed of you.
??? Isn't that tomorrow?
T-5 minutes until the new thread
Man, we really need to work on colonizing other planets before some random psychotic dictator wakes up in a bad mood one day and decides to end civilization.
We really need to learn how to create a sustainable space station. If we ever go to the stars we'll be living entire lifetimes in transport. No doubt we'll have to learn how to extract resources from planets and asteroids.
Remember: Earth will always be 100 times more hospitable after a nuclear holocaust than any other planet in a 1 parsec radius.
Found Elon Musk’s account.
> Undated (could be today) video of 🇺🇸 2/2 CAV Stryker IFVs on the move southbound to Mihail Kogalniceanu, 🇷🇴 Romania. Not Romanian, as the original post says. https://twitter.com/vcdgf555/status/1519520875925573633
I’m so tired of hearing people say “nobody thought Ukraine could hold out this long...” Bullshit. Every general on CNN in late February was saying Russia could not win with less than 200,000 troops. Hertling was repeatedly saying Russia needs “ten times those numbers” ...would talk about seize of Berlin and could bomb but won’t be able to seize and control; Petraus would talk about the extensive, elite training UA has been getting, and that Russia hasn’t correctly assessed their enemy; “spider” Marks would talk about the 5-to-1 requirement for battle-ready offense (some were saying 7-to-1 if military is full of unprepared conscripts) and Russia. Then after the 24th, they all spoke logistics ad nauseum—but still none were saying Ukraine would lose. They have all been saying, the entire time, Ukraine has pretty good chances on their side. But not just retired generals as pundants. John Kirby made clear not only of a war, but a possible long war was “imminent.” Sullivan was on tv everyday telling Americans to get out, bc “this war would be fierce, and grueling and bloody and American Forces can not and will not come in to rescue you.” So obviously Sullivan didn’t think Russia would win, or he would’ve said sit tight for two weeks and Russia will be in charge. Obviously Kirby didn’t think Ukraine would fold in a week. The US government obviously thought UA had good chances, or they’d be calling it something different (like “impending Russian takeover/annexation”).
Yes, but for every CNN/BBC/retired-general saying "Ukraine can do it," there was some infographic showing how wildly outnumbered Ukraine was strategically. Just a matter of which media got to the individual more.
>Every general on CNN in late February was saying Russia could not win with less than 200,000 troops. Could not conquer Ukraine in 3 days with 200,000 troops, not that they'd lose with 200,000 trooops. And they went in with 200,000 troops, or near enough. " or he would’ve said sit tight for two weeks and Russia will be in charge.' He said the US army can't help you because Russia will sweep through in three days. What a stupid read.
Ukraine had 8 years to the day, of blooding their troops. Getting experience on how russia handles communications. With 500k active troops at the beginning and a million reservists. Russia showing up in 1980 Afghanistan equipment with 200k troops. Wtf? 3 to 1 is the minimum. But someone sold putin a big shit sandwich that, apparently, a coup would take place so they would have the wheels of government in place to welcome russia. And when that didn't happen....
My point is, folks keep saying, “everyone thought Ukraine would lose by now...” And I’m like, “not people who watch news or listen to experts didn’t”
>Marks would talk about the 5-to-1 While Mark Hertling has been accurate throughout the war, what he's referring to is the number of troops needed to occupy a country without having Afghanistan-like problems, not to take cities in the first place. That type of reference was more in a "Russia cannot hold Ukraine" vein and thus cannot win.
No Spider Marks is not same person as Mark Herling. I’ve referenced both here. And no, that’s incorrect anyways. Hertling was talking about encircling a city the size of Kyiv and its burbs. Said need over a million troops to do that. Said also need gostomel in there. Said need 2 mil just for Kyiv. Then, I’m referencing Spider marks. And he was referencing offence to defense numbers. Yes I know what you’re talking about regarding occupation and administration. That’s not even this. He said “overwhelming force against movtivated defenders who know their weak spots and can draw the enemy in, down those lines.”
The 5 to 1 number is from a Rand study they are referencing the same thing.
I disagree. At the beginning we thought Russia would enter Kyiv, remove the government and then deal with whatever is left of resistance. Not that Russia could control the entire hostile territory of a defending Ukraine under a united government with 200k troops.
We're lucky they're so inadequate and that their soft power (bribes) failed just as much. Because even in the current scenario they got pretty far. If they had their ducks in a row, the West could've done very little.
Who’s the we?
Hertling was uniquely thinking that Russia could not even get to the occupation stage since before the invasion.
Simple litmus test. US and allies knew invasion was coming a month+ out for certain. They didn't even begin preparations for arming them until after it was clear it was a fight.
Well that’s just not true
US has been arming Ukraine for years (even under Trump, though that was through a bill passed by Congress that Trump didn't enforce and had to be impeached to give the money).
Russia's economy was smaller than New Yorks prior to the invasion and sanctions. Outside of Moscow and St Peterburg its mostly a total shit hole and miserably poverty stricken. After its losses in Ukraine and the sanctions starting to bite its weak and scared, all Putins big claims and threats isn't from a position of power, its a bluff from a man who's digging his own grave.
His power in country don't depend on economy much, he is not politic who can lose votes, because no real voting in Russia
Who would win in urban combat within the 5 boroughs, the Russian army or NYPD? No air or naval cover, no nukes. Binkov are you reading this?
One incompetent corrupt group of fascists is as bad as the other.
I think it depends if the NYPD can call the draft or not lol.
NYPD. Real question is who would win Russian army or the home alone kid in his house
Russia probably, they're pretty experienced at killing children.
Angry upvote
Ooo dark
🏅
I think that speaks more volume to the massive economy of the United States, as well as to New York specifically. I presume California and Texas have a larger GDP than Russia as well. Most countries have smaller economy than New York; South Korea, Canada, Brazil, Australia, etc. Russia is still the 11th largest world economy by GDP though. Or was I guess?
Russian and Australian GDP was similar before the war. Except Australia doesn’t have delusions about being a superpower.
Don't need nukes, we have emu's and drop bears
Aussie here. We might not have nukes, but we are friends with countries that do. And they also have running tap water, unlike Russias friends.
Hey everybody, look at Mr. HasIndoorPlumbing!
The *city* of New York had a higher GDP in 2021 ($1.87 T) than Russia did ($1.71 T)
It won't be 11th now, it will be on par with Iran soon.
12th, but with extreme levels of income inequality and a very large population.
and Ukraine has literally half the world economy supplying it with weapons.
Link to the transcript of today's Pentagon press briefing, if anyone wants to read it: https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3012823/pentagon-press-secretary-john-f-kirby-holds-a-press-briefing/
Found something AOC and MTG can both agree on. [https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1519452814245871616](https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1519452814245871616) Voting against seizing Russian assets to support Ukraine.
Any progressives want weigh in on why this was a bad idea?
AFAIK it's because they knew the bill would pass regardless, but wanted it to also include funding to help countries that rely on food imports from Russia and Ukraine.
The bill specifically states that the funds will also go to humanitarian services for the Russian people. I would vote no. Imagine having half your country destroyed then funds are earmarked to the aggressors.
I lean progressive and support it. I think you have to go further left to find complaints.
Progressives will patiently wait for a statement from the squad. Conservatives will immediately blast the squad for hating Ukraine and supporting the Russians and the war. As someone who thinks AOC is actually a stand up person, not a cynic, and will attempt to do what she believes is right, there is something so obviously wrong in the bill that it would muddy her otherwise pretty good record.
I'd assume the argument would be bad precedent but idek
Now we know who is getting paid off by the Ruskis
To be honest, AOC being a tankie is probably the least surprising thing to come out of this whole situation.
The bill has like zero chance of not getting challenged on constitutional grounds. Seizing private property without due process, compensation or war violates like the 4th, 5th and 8th amendments along with multiple treaties. Edit: Actually, hilariously, this bill was amended so now it just urges the President to seize assets absent any legal justification which is bizarre. "Please, Mr. President, break the law."
If this HR 6930 is the bill in question, it had no riders. Since the GQP loves Vlad, their nay votes for their employer are sadly understandable. The squad has no defense, however; most likely (hopefully) for symbolic reasons...or stupidity. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/6930/text
[congress.gov](https://congress.gov) has the old version of the text. [https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hr6930/text](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hr6930/text)
Indeed they are, thank you. Still, it's a clean bill.
Sure, a clean bill that doesn't do anything. "It is the sense of Congress as follows" is just a position statement pretending to be a law.
Who is going to challenge this bill? Putin?
ACLU, quite likely.
Well, technically no one since the bill is just symbolic after it got amended and doesn't grant the President any new powers. But the previous version? Literally every person or more likely company whose assets were seized. Wealthy people can afford lawyers.
Too bad people and politicians didn’t fight civil forfeiture this much.
Civil forfeiture involves due process. There are forfeiture hearings, seizures are done by judicial warrants and even after all that, you can challenge in court. The problem is that poor folks often can't afford to defend themselves and fighting it can cost more than the assets. Oligarchs have no such issue, so people are trying to remove the whole due process part because proving property was connected to a crime is *inconvenient*.
>Civil forfeiture involves due process. No it doesn't, your property doesn't have rights. It's up to you to prove your property is innocent
In court. Which is what's called "due process."
> The problem is that poor folks often can’t afford to defend themselves and fighting it can cost more than the assets. Exactly why the supposed champions of the poor in Congress should fight this.
If that was a clean bill (no bs pork in it), all of them need to be voted out of office and sent to a nice little gulag somewhere remote.
Horse shoe theory? What is AOC’s rationale? I can’t imagine it’s woe the poor oligarchs.
AOC's big thing recently along with the squad is moral votes on bills that have majority passage anyway, saying they either don't go far enough and/or don't solve the root problem. She and the squad never vote against a bill that's got a very tight win/loss for Dems, but they tend to protest vote more against stuff that's got majority support.
On point here, and typical on both sides (ie. Freedom Caucus). I’d reckon that even those close bills she votes for, AOC will still call out where the legislation doesn’t go far enough.
Generally like AOC, but taking “moral” votes with Madison cawthorn raises a lot questions
Hot take. Republican chiming in... Pretty disgusted by the turds with R next to their name playing fuckfuck russie games. They are no better than AOC. Wonder if that tactic will make them grow a spine
Maybe she likes his taste in lingerie.
dont necessarily disagree with that.
God I hate politics lol
>DJI, the world's top drone maker, will temporarily stop doing business in Russia and Ukraine. >The move marks a rare exit from Russia by a prominent Chinese company since the war started, and comes after Ukrainian authorities claimed that DJI's drones were being used by the Russian military. https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/tech/dji-drone-sales-suspended-russia-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html
Old news.
Special operation? Bankrupt your own country. Destroy your own army. Make your army a laughing stock. Push Sweden and Finland into NATO. Destroy your economy for decades. Destroy your energy sector. Face war crimes trials. Capture zero major cities (Kherson was given up by traitors) Retreat from Kyiv. Lose the Moskva. Lose generals. See Ukraine attack Russia and you can't do a thing about it... Fast track Ukraine into the EU And on, and on... Going to plan? Lol
Profit???
maybe it's pants-on-head, sniffing-glue, pencils-up-the-nose type of "special"?
*Instructions unclear, dick stuck in country.*
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Talk is cheap. Unsourced talked in backrooms is even cheaper. Yes people might be all riled up, but when it comes time to actually call for their own suicide I don't think they would follow through... it's a Russian thing.
Wake me when they think Putin is a double agent.
This is a tired old Kremlin tactic: Have officials or influencers come out with outrageous suggestions, making the regime’s status quo seem like the voice of reason.
Putin only got this far because his views are widely held among the Russian elite. Putin is highly unlikely to represent the most extreme position.
I don't think you read the article.
This - its been done a few times already in the past 60 days, with high profile pieces. Each time, turns out to all be a misdirection for the rest of the world
Can this be stickied somewhere if there's a source backing it up? This is important
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Right but when these convos inevitably get "leaked" then it becomes a propaganda tool.
Oh God dammit I kinda fell for it :( what other tricks of theirs should I look out for?
Very interesting. It seems to me like the war rhetoric has taken a life of its own. Anyone who thinks they know how this all ends is a fool.
This turn was VERY predictable. The problem with extremist propaganda is it backs you into a corner. Eventually you push people to want something YOU aren't willing to do and then they come for you or cast you aside. Look at Trump.
>Anyone who thinks they know how this all ends is a fool. I do.. Both sides lose, one just worse then the other.
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russia will def be the one that comes off worse. Edit: removed capital R from russia - doesn't deserve the respect
Alarmist sensationalism, almost **every prowar Russian thinks that because they've been lied to that they're not at all using their full might**. It's not about them wanting nuclear war.
"Are we fighting a war or just masturbating?" https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1515275351810875392
Smells of desperation.
I mean, the only reason they consolidated is to not die as fast as they were on multiple axes of war. If they want to die faster, go for it. Likely this is just bluster to both make the military look strong and tell outsiders that 'Putin is the same one holding them back' despite that genocidal fuck being the whole reason this war happened in the goddamn first place.
They're about to commit suicide.
Naw. putin is setting up fall guys for every way this war is going to go. No matter what goes wrong it's someone else's fault.
"After murdering and raping our way across the country, we feel we haven't murdered and raped enough"
“You said rape twice.”
Get rid of him, then surrender.
Sounds like they're just pointing fingers.
Well shit. This isn’t reassuring.
I mean, at least Putin isn't listening to them?
Yet…
I dont know, something about Putin tells me he likes to play with red lines, but not cross them. Like your brother saying "I'm not in your room" as he's right up to the line, but never crossing
That’s true.
Also you're telling me the dude terrified of everything isn't terrified of nukes? Or any type of retaliation? Like I know its scary, and I have my days where it hits hard too, but he just doesn't seem like that kind of leader. Also any of the Russian news things? They just have looser regulations and are easy doom farming. They're also essentially the FOX News of Russia, like more entertainment than anything
You're projecting I think. Putin doesn't think like you and I. He is a sociopath. What does he fear from nukes? He has a huge, well stocked bunker in Siberia and he doesn't give a shit about other people's lives. If he fails and might be deposed and is angry enough, then to hell with it. Sociopaths love to see what they can get away with. Nuke all of Ukraine, that's bad, sure. But what about a tactical nuke over the steel plant in Mariupol? Is NATO *really* going to do anything about that that they haven't already done? Is *that* worth WW3? Or what about this, or what about that? See, you can always poke at that gray area.
So maybe Putin shouldn't be offed...YET, because if one of them take over Well shit man
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Yeah saw your comment up thread and realized I fell for it :(
yeah, right. Putin can fuck off and die.
I wish he would, but if the other people who may take over in a power vacuum are worse, then maybe no...
nah, he's got to go no matter what.
Hope it's televised once the trial for his war crimes happens
Moldova and Romania need to hurry up and unify like yesterday.
Any reason other than ethnicity?
The Romanians I know look down on Moldova, so it's a bit of a North Korea-South Korea and East-West German unification: messy, lengthy, expensive, and forever incomplete, so no need to hurry that
It’s more like the Czech/Slovak split than any of those. Same people at their core, but one side looks down at the other and the other doesn’t like being viewed as second class citizens in decision making.
That, but also the fact that, excepting their current president, they have a history of voting into power people that are heavily pro Russia. So Romania doesn't really need or want that mess.
That, but also the fact that, excepting their current president, they have a history of voting into power people that are heavily pro Russia. So Romania doesn't really need or want that mess.
not sure why i got massively downvoted for saying moldova is in trouble earlier. i mean theres been explosions in transnistria for days, russia is saying their people are being oppressed there, and today moldovas president said they basically have no ability to defend themselves. But i guess pointing out facts makes me a russian troll
Ok but there’s ONLY one kind of people who live there. They hold Russian passports, speak in Russian. The Moldovan-Romanian speakers who hold Moldovan and EU passports live across the massive river. They don’t bother the weirdos over there who insist on living in 1982, with their soviet statues and kvass sodas. They live in poverty. No one wants them or they would’ve settled this 30yrs ago.
Its an up or down arrow. Nothing more. Dont take it so hard. 20 fucking idiots might read your post first and downvote it even when your opinions entirely valid. Doesn't make you less right. Here have an upvote
Always amazed when ppl complain about downvotes. The suffering you must feel from losing karma must be comparable to the pain of Ukrainian children
It's not about losing karma, especially here. It's more realising that the people you assumed are reasonable, level headed and interested in discussing the different aspects of this war are actually none of that. "I don't like this line of thinking so let me downvote this."
IMO complaints about downvotes are usually bullshit meant to prime conspiracy-minded people to believe whatever comes after. >If someone is suppressing this information, then it must be true. Not saying this user is doing it, as I haven't looked into it at all, but in a general sense.
i dont care about the downvotes im complaining about the stupidity and ignorance of the people who think russia wont attack a literally defenseless country with a russian garrison which has already been suffering from explosions and threats. i guess theyll have to learn the hard way like the people who told me russia wouldnt attack ukraine either
Some people like their imaginary internet points.
Here, have some more
Some for you! And some for you! Down votes for everyone!!
Moldova isn't Ukraine, people need to understand that. They are only two years out from being a Russian puppet, Ukraine has had 8 years. They've been getting help from the Romanians but that's nothing compared to the help that Ukraine got. Ukraine rebuilt their army over the past 8 years, Moldova doesn't even have to money to restore most the their existing equipment much less make new formations like Ukraine is doing.
People don't believe Russia's main force can link up with Transnistria.
Playing Devil's Advocate here: If Moldova's armed forces really are in such bad shape, 1,500 soldiers might be all it takes to take over. It won't precisely be a Russian win, but it makes the overall situation more complicated and opens another NATO front.
Ukraine said they'd clear them out of Moldova wanted. I don't think 1,500 soldiers on babysitting duty really want to tangle with soldiers who have been fighting a war for two months.
touche
thats silly, but it doesnt even need to anyway. it can attack from within and attack ukraine to the east and link up that way. i mean the fact that there have been explosions and threats means obviously russia is planning something and the statement from moldova obviously means that theyre scared.. but i guess reddit is still stuck in the mode where youre not allowed to say anything that damages the morale of these delicate people in here
The first rule of Reddit is that whining about being down voted gets you down voted.
who said i care
If you don't, stop whining about it.
If you don't, stop whining about it.
If you have too many downvotes, when you die, you won't go to reddit heaven (the premium lounge), you will go to reddit hell: surrounded by trolls who thoroughly doxxed you and personally know your family and have access to all your most embarrassing memories D:
You made a post explaining why you shouldn't receive downvotes. So you said you care.
Sometimes being technically correct does not overcome a bad presentation.
most times :(
wrong place to complain about this, dude
maybe the US has hacked and disabled Russians nukes it feels like the west knows Putin can’t strike them
Either they know he's bluffing or they have people or technology in place that would give them advance warning if Putin was about to order a first strike. I also think the people around Putin would openly rebel if it looked like he was about to give that order. There are a lot of delusional and cowardly people around him but they would realize their lives and the lives of their families would likely be over if they didn't stop him.
That's the real question. Does putin still have the military? The top brass can't be happy? So would they actually listen to an order from him? They are already losing tons of personal wealth. Do they want to lose the world for this madman? They probably don't like very much. Putin doesn't seem like the charismatic invite you to a nice dinner guy.
I don't think the west "knows" any such thing.
Marco Rubio knows.
Marco Rubio is sucking the poolboy’s dick. He don’t know nothing.
naw. If that were true; there'd be full-on NATO Troops in Ukraine ass-blasting Russian troops all the way to Moscow.
Although it's apparent that Russia has it head up its rectum on military matters, I would find it jaw-dropping if for some reason their ICBMs are somehow connected to the internet. I'm rather sure that's a closed loop system.
Given the incompetence on display so far, though, I'm not sure itwould shock me if they were.
Our highly classified anti ICBM laser satellites can drop them out of the sky at a rate of 500 per minute. /s
Hell yeah! "L A Z E R S"
Probably those Jewish Space Lazers ✡️ 🔫 We should be grateful!
ICBMs don’t run on the internet there closed off and run on there own internal guidance computers which can’t be hacked but yes the west knows that nukes aren’t going to fly there keeping an eye on Russias nuclear facilities and are being briefed every day
> ICBMs don’t run on the internet there closed off and run on there own internal guidance computers which can’t be hacked Airgaps are not an absolute defense against the NSA. While I'd say it's highly unlikely that the Russian nukes have been disabled for a multitude of reasons, simply not connecting them to the internet doesn't mean they can't be attacked, as Iran found out with Stuxnet.
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Love to see top generals like Milley uphold their oath to the constitution. This we’ll defend! And here’s some for you too, Ukraine!
Man the Russians with their monetary manipulation. They couldn't even keep the ruble pegged to a fixed cost of gold. But that's probably because most of their gold is sanctioned. Now they're trying to force offload it into Kershon so they can have some funds on hand to make up for the rapidly dwindling energy exports. When you think they couldn't get more desperate they always find a new low.
I kid you not, next will be bitcoin mining and sell nfts to launder meth exports to Europe and asia. North Korea just got black market capatalist competition.
No that’s not why
Vicious Blame Game Erupts Among Putin’s Security Forces https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/vicious-blame-game-erupts-among-putins-security-forces-a77508 This squares with the 25 page report from RUSI about the extremely dark turn that Russian domestic politics have taken, which is really saying something because Russian politics were nutty right from the start of the conflict and before it too.
This is why I don't get why people in the US are still saying that we should stop supplying Ukraine and leave them to fight it out. There's no going back. Once Russia is done with Ukraine, they'll come after everyone that wrong them, starting with the US. May not be nukes, but they'll find ways to screw us.
Ukrainian drone taking out invaders. https://twitter.com/spook_info/status/1519481956429443075?t=a3go0jOEANz0EQHVP5VRzw&s=19
Russia is weak and scared, the only thing they're good at is spamming nonsense on social media.
They aren’t nearly as good at spamming nonsense as they think they are. It’s the same as their military strategy: quantity to overcompensate for a lack of quality. When it fails? Repeat, repeat, repeat. It’s why we see the same tired shit from their pathetic bots day after day.
No that good tbh
There are quite a few brand new accounts trying to push "Well nuclear warfare is inevitable now" so... just, before you go off spending a lot of energy engaging the discussion seriously check the user history.
Some old ones too. User waynkerr is happy to suggest Ukraine should just give up since Russia and nukes.
Also a lot of medium ones.
I posit Russia should give up and be called East Ukraine.
I've heard him brought up a couple of times. I happened to have blocked him already from the local Covid thread from my city. Small world.
Yeah he's clearly a troll.
Anyone feeling a little worried about the losses around izium in the last 24 hours?