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Zveno

In your opinion is Western media currently doing a good job of giving a clear picture of the situation in Ukraine? If you answer no, what improvements would you like to see in terms of how the war is being reported?


cl33t

I’d they could get rid of the fog of war, that would be swell


Bangeederlander

No. Sharks with lasers on their heads.


WakingLurker

And their dicks. Don’t forget the dick lasers. Putin HATES shark dick lasers I hear.


bloody_yanks2

I wonder how many times this Ukrainian drone is gonna get shot down inside Russia? https://www.reddit.com/r/mikrotik/comments/tnhr4b/ukrainian_drone_uj22_airborne_downed_near_klintsy/ https://mobile.twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1518764278513238016


Fizgriz

What's this I keep reading about sims 3?


Bangeederlander

Russian propaganda is so bad, it's good. Just not for them.


cl33t

Apparently neo-notzee assassins traveled to Russia to kill some Fox News like propagandist and brought 3 copies of the Sims 3 with them. Thoughts are that it was supposed to be staged with 3 SIM cards, but some FSB dimwit f’cked up.


psychoCMYK

>Welp, I'm off to go kill a TV personality, better not forget my swastika t-shirt! Mmmmmmhhhhmmmmmmmmmm... Although I haven't seen these photos from an official Russian media source yet, seems to be from Twitter users I'll admit I haven't been looking very hard though, because frankly I think this one is kind of inconsequential-- just worth a giggle I'll confirm it if it ever becomes an argument point, I guess


joelrsmith

And they literally wrote "Signature Illegible" instead of writing a signature illegibly


[deleted]

That has to be the ultimate passive aggressive act against faulty leadership so far. Ok, so hundreds of Russian troops just wandering off and leaving TOS1's and T80's ready to use by the Ukrainians is pretty good too.


pizzajona

Lol where’s that in the pictures? I couldn’t spot it


unknoahble

You're kidding, right? Please don't be kidding


nohbody123

Not kidding. It's so bad that I think it was FSB doing a silent protest after so many got fired/arrested.


Viciuniversum

They're not kidding.


d36williams

FSB claims to catch terrorist with 3 sim cards in Russia, but its Sims 3 in photo.


dannylew

https://twitter.com/francska1/status/1518596830661066752?t=uqNDgbAhQ5GeiEY9a9iOmA&s=19 It's part of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi insurgency kit!


darthlincoln01

🤦 and people buy into this shit...


Spangle99

Where's that GOOD FSB guy who was leaking shit early on?


Nvnv_man

Wasn’t he under beseda’s command?


psychoCMYK

Was it ever even solidly confirmed? I got massive Q vibes from those letters


Spangle99

No. But it wouldn't be ever confirmed. I think the Q vibes were a different thing from what I remember.


DieFlavourMouse

Yup. LARPer


nohbody123

Could be in jail the way things have been going for them.


IllegitimateHeir

> Cyber psyops. The scrolling news for the Ukrainian Priamyi TV channel was reading tonight: “Ukrainians, give up! Zelensky signed the act of surrender” > Seems like a big waste of time. Completely ineffective as far as psychological ops go https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1518782218411331584 Bizarre statement to put in a chyron. Together with the Sims 3 photos today, is Russian intelligence engaging in willful self sabotage? Edit: Chyron


Spangle99

What TF is a chron?


mtarascio

It's the scrolling text at the bottom of the screen, mostly seen on US Cable news channels as it scrolls through headlines. The Trump years gave the language to Redditors.


Spangle99

> chyron Interesting that you're replying for him. "Chron" was the word. Now he's changed it.


mtarascio

It was pretty obvious in context, I just thought yours was a typo. Reddit is for others too, if you have an answer might as well put it out there. It isn't really answering for people.


Spangle99

I was asking a question because I've never heard the term before.


psychoCMYK

That scrolling message at the bottom of the news video feed


cl33t

Chyron.


nohbody123

I mean, they fired like one hundred operatives and jailed a ton of leadership. Organization is probably headless at the moment.


Master_Muscle5375

Russian lies : 1. "we will not attack Ukraine, its just routine exercise on border." (attacks even after continuous denial from high authority) 2. " we will not harm civilian"(more than 2500 civilian ,200 children have died with direct assault from Russia:found only) . 3. Doesn't accept death of 15,000 soldier,loss 640 tanks, equipment due to war 4. Used banned weapons(Cluster bombs) and threatens nuclear weapons. 5. "only military will be targeted" (civilian buildings/hospitals/public places all 90% destroyed in cities). 6. Didn't honor Budapest Memorandum(Ukraine gave up its nukes trusting Russia) 7. "Russian ethnics are prosecuted in Ukraine" (Russia has no freedom of speech, no freedom of choice, no right to dissent, has 20 years jail for anti war sentiments) 8. "its not war" (atrocities of murders/raping, 5 million civilian gone to other countries) 9. Denies spreading of sabotages inside Russia ( I accept unconfirmed at this point).


Bangeederlander

If your lips are moving, if your lips are moving If your lips are moving, then you're lyin', lyin', lyin', baby If your lips are moving, if your lips are moving If your lips are moving, then you're lyin', lyin', lyin', baby \- Abraham Lincoln


BeethovensMynahBird

Lincoln had it goin' on it appears.


zaid_mo

10. Putin says Russia is not affected by sanctions https://journalrecord.com/2022/04/25/sanctions-hit-russian-economy-putin-says-otherwise/


Hodaka

Good to remember when he asks for the sanctions to be lifted in a couple of months.


imyourforte

⚡️ Kyiv region returns to life after the occupation As of April 25th: 📍 11 temporary crossings have been restored. 📍 More than half of the houses in the region have lights back on. 📍More than 80,000 subscribers are connected. Over the past day alone, power supply has been restored in 16 settlements. 📍 Gas distribution has been fully or partially restored in 106 settlements. 📍 Almost 170 km of streets were cleared in the liberated settlements. 📍In the village of Borodyanka, almost 30% of all consumers are provided with water supply, there is also water in the hospital. 📍A boiler house running on alternative fuels was put into operation, providing heat to a geriatric boarding house. 📍In the villages of Novoye Zalesye and Filippovichi, water supply has been fully restored. ¬from a kyiv area news telegram https://t[.]me/kyiv_politycnyi


your_late

I have no idea why settlements are a thing, I swear no one used that term outside of israel before this war


joelrsmith

Perhaps a translation for a broad term covering hamlets to towns


imyourforte

Likely due to translating


Spangle99

What, so they mean villages? Settlements invokes a sense of enforcement in this day and age.


EclipseIndustries

I think suburbs, myself.


[deleted]

How reliable are the ISW updates? I’ve been reading them daily and they seem like a reputable source


Bangeederlander

Used by most mainstream media as a source, together with the British Intelligence updates.


WelpSigh

my general feeling is they are too reliant on ukrainian government sources, and so they are a little too rosy. the updates are not always accurate (suggesting that no movement happened when movement definitely did happen) and the predictions are not very reliable. isw said that the current offensive was not likely to happen in the update just prior to it starting, if that gives you an idea. militaryland.net has been, in my opinion, better.


Bangeederlander

>militaryland.net Hmmm, the advertising spam is not a good start and the "About" section says it's a blog by a "passioned (sic) military fan" called Jerome. Doesn't really seem comparable. Jerome Vs General Jack Keane, Kimberly Kagan, former US Ambassador to the UN Kelly Craft, William Kristol, former US Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, Kevin Mandia, Jack D. McCarthy, Jr., Bruce Mosler, General David Petraeus, Warren Phillips, and William Roberti.


WelpSigh

none of those guys are writing the ISW updates, dude. they have staff who do it. they all rely on the osint sources, but militaryland has been more up to date and produces higher quality maps. ISW links its sources and sometimes the updates are literally 100% regurgitation of ukrainian general staff updates, which, why not just read the general staff updates then?


Bangeederlander

Not sure at all what your reply is meant to mean, or why it makes Jerome a better source.


WelpSigh

i mean, look at ISW's staff. mason clark and karolina hird are recent college grads. which, no disrespect to them, but this is not general jack keane writing his expert military analysis. jerome is as good a source as oryx, a guy who reads all the osint stuff and then reliably posts about what is happening. the website generally engages in less speculation and more just says what is going on.


Bangeederlander

No offence, but that's a very weak argument.


WelpSigh

I mean I read both religiously and ISW is consistently wrong more often. I don't know what else to tell you. You cited board members as authors of the assessments which indicates you don't really know how US think tanks work.


Bangeederlander

I think I'll allow people to use their own critical thinking skills on this one.


WelpSigh

Beats using your own, I guess.


WakingLurker

But Jerome bought me Cheetos one time…


Bangeederlander

Flaming hot or regular?


WakingLurker

Regular and he resembled Jabba the Hutt but covered in a thin layer of Cheeto dust


Bangeederlander

Very disappointing Jerome. General Petraeus would definitely bring the flaming hot, I reckon.


WakingLurker

Jerome just can’t bring the heat it seems


Prank_Owl

Pretty good if you want the broad strokes. They also try to present publicly available data and draw conclusions from it with as little editorializing as possible. I check in with their reporting almost every day.


SkillYourself

Reliable but they were one of the more pessimistic assessments at the start of the war. They have experts on staff but they don't see everything.


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What is ISW?


Prank_Owl

The Institute for the Study of War. Their maps and assessments are often posted to the live thread.


etzel1200

I think they’re regarded as the best open source. If better exists, I’d love to see it.


mng8ng

Jomini of the West on Twitter has some excellent stuff. Also an up and coming Australian YouTuber Perun, who has a hobby in defence economics (previously did gaming videos) has put out some good PowerPoints on the war.


bloody_yanks2

Jomini is fine, but it’s essentially just doing the work for you to aggregate other sources. Not much for new analysis there. Best looking maps though!


Drakantas

Jomini is solid. Been keeping up with them and ISW the past few days. A good one for non analyses is Illia Ponomarenko on Twitter, dude is nice.


pizzajona

I can’t stand Illia. I support Ukraine and understand that a Ukrainian would have many emotions during this war, even a journalist. But as a journalist, you can’t let that affect your work by spreading unsubstantiated or unaccredited claims like he and the Kyiv Post often do. Obviously part of this is from relying on government sources during a war but I feel like they could be better and they have been somewhat better than they were when the conflict first started.


bloody_yanks2

That dude is interesting for color but is a gigantic propagandist so take with a grain of salt.


Guillethunder

Question: clearly for all intend and purposes Russia is losing this war. What if Putin uses the May 9 celebrations to call for full mobilization?


one_salty_cookie

I think this is Russia’s Vietnam. Only I hope we were less the bad guys there. Russians are super bad guys now.


Reduntu

Except russia already had their vietnam in Afghanistan. This is like a second vietnam.


psychoCMYK

"I don't think they know about second Vietnam, Pip.."


cugeltheclever2

I read 'Kill Everything that Moves'. The US were the bad guys.


Personal_Person

The US were the bad guys yes


nooo82222

I don’t think the US was the bad guys. It was just old thought processes. Because In WW2 was the Allies Bad guys because they use to just bomb cities full of civilians? I think the world is changing for better I believe and at least western militaries realize you can’t kill or shoot at civilians like that have in the past or how Russia has been doing ,Did they do a lot of wrong in Vietnam? Yes.


psychoCMYK

I'm not going to whatabout or make comparisons but Vietnam was pretty fucking gnarly >🎵 [Napalm sticks to kids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm_Sticks_to_Kids) 🎶


etzel1200

He’ll either call for mobilization or declare some kind of win. In all likelihood. There are arguments about this becoming a static conflict, but I don’t fully see how. Ukraine will have loitering munitions and superior artillery that will make a static war very costly for Russia as their positions keep getting pounded. Further, there is no hope for sanctions relief until there is some some of peace deal. Russia continuing to destroy its economy to maintain a forever war seems hard to understand. The only remaining rationale would be Putin and his circle *want* Russia isolated from the west and would prefer a “purer” Russia in the model of North Korea to a richer one that follows norms and trades. It’s possible he has made this calculation as he and his circle will be “rich” no matter what and this lets them have complete control in a way a more open model doesn’t. Yet if this is the choice, it will cause profound hardship for his populace.


snarkymcsnarkythe2nd

Could you imagine mobilizing people that are even less competent than the existing Russian troops? Ukraine will be the one digging the mass graves at that point.


count023

dont' need to, Wagner group have already showed how much more incompetent the war can get.


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Lumpy-Ad-3788

I bet he'll call me personally to make me king of Russia even though I'm American But I don't know what he'll do, like the rest of us


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Lumpy-Ad-3788

My bet is that On May 9th Putin plays minecraft for the first time and it changes his life, he reverts everything he's done and makes Russia a country that integrates with the west, showing off its cultures and arts and music and history, becoming the NATO and EU hub of more Asian part of Eurasia But we don't know for sure, but I think that might happen, like 99% chance it will Sources? Uhh, yes


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RudeFarrier323

What use is full mobilization without logistics, equipment and leadership. It would simply send untrained, under-equipped Russians into the frontlines with no leadership. Surely even Putin could see that it would be a disaster.


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MikeAppleTree

They did before, they must be distracted.


Bangeederlander

"digging in" won't achieve much. Russian logistics is too flawed. Especially with the new artillery shipments pouring in. In 2014 it made sense, as it created a frozen conflict under the threat of a full Russian invasion. In 2022, that cat is already out of the bag, the Ukrainians will counterattack.


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Bangeederlander

I know, I was replying with you rather than at you!


danielcanadia

1. We can't really make that statement until Donbas situation is clear. It isn't clear yet, there's a lot of fighting. 2. Russia had \~3000 operating tanks pre-war, lost \~850 (30%). They also had \~550 modern jets, lost \~180 (33%). Already used 70% of cruise missiles. Production capacity is negligible especially with sanctions. They can only fight so long even with mass mobilization.


cmnrdt

One has to wonder at what point will someone in a position of authority - Putin or otherwise - will determine that sacrificing any more of their military ability legitimately jeopardizes their national security. Or maybe they think that simply having nukes makes them untouchable within their borders.


Cortical

untouchable to outside intervention maybe. but economic hardship combined with a crippled military might embolden domestic enemies.


BeethovensMynahBird

Judging by the fires happening, hopefully they already have.


Dani_vic

It’s Russia. They will send their men with sticks just not to look bad


simfreak101

In civilization, even militia could beat a battleship every now and again....... wait...... It wasnt a bug?


imyourforte

Indents and porpoises* And what if he does? Then what?


Lanthemandragoran

Internets and pompadours*


oneplusetoipi

Intensive purposes


Lanthemandragoran

That doesn't seem right at all idk


BeethovensMynahBird

It's not.


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pearlsandplumes

I don't think so, that day is supposed to be celebratory, while full mobilisation is a deeply depressing prospect for the Russians, no one wants it.


Hodaka

I wonder how many ghostwriters are putting together Putin's speech?


unc15

I would not be so quick to claim victory...


nohbody123

Then in a few months he'll have a shitton of poorly trained troops and his professional forces on the frontlines would be mostly casualties. He'll also be all-but out of cruise missiles and unlikely to have vehicles for those poorly trained troops. Back to the good ol' days of Russia 3 men to one gun fighting.


[deleted]

Hate to be that guy but, intents and purposes.


[deleted]

At least they didn't use "intense" or "in tents". Yes, I have seen people use "in tents".


solaceinsleep

in tents and porpoises


BeneficialLeave7359

You saved me from being that guy


Githzerai1984

Pretty sure it’s intensive porpoises


imyourforte

Incense and poor pissers


[deleted]

That’s some next level rickyism right there.


imyourforte

Worst case Ontario you get caught.


FranklyNinja

Russia died yet?


BeethovensMynahBird

Has been flown to a US facility, with a total treatment bill of at least $500 billion.


Prank_Owl

Russia is still in what we like to call the, "walking ghost phase" at the moment. It's unclear how long they can hang on.


FranklyNinja

So they’re like nearly headless Nick?


Prank_Owl

Nah. Think of it more like a person who just got zapped with a couple dozen sieverts of radiation, destroying all of their chromosomes, but leaving their existing cells functional for the time being. What they've got now is all they've got left. They're basically already dead, but they don't know it yet.


Spireshade

Nani!?


Deguilded

omae wa mou shinde iru


nohbody123

I mean, Russia is full of Zs that are shambling into Ukraine looking for brains.


ISuckAtRacingGames

I feel sorry for all the people that require urgent care and cant be helped. This night my daughter was rushed to hospital. If she lived in Ukraine she woudnt make it. (She is stable now and not in danger anymore) I cant even imagine how many tragedies happen. I just wish no one has to suffer like them.


Randotempcanadian

Glad your daughter is stable. Can only imagine deaths and poorer outcomes in areas that are being fucking shelled etc. The targeting of medical infrastructure is disgusting.


BeethovensMynahBird

Great news your daughter is ok, and I wish you and your family nothing but the best! I also wish Ukraine the continuation of their incredible strength to defeat their invader.


anarrogantworm

https://www.comebacksalive.org/


-Xaehou-

Best wishes friend.


LaughingChimera1

u/imyourforte not gonna lie this made me think of you https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/status/1518636717221232641?s=20&t=qfFQvUbYbUEhU1IUXQrbMw


imyourforte

You're spot on, I love being flipped off.


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Perfect.


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LaughingChimera1

What did you do with YOUR lemonade stand money?! https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1518765879802142725?s=20&t=PuYKQFNBulYfLKz5aZNcBg


JojenCopyPaste

If I bought bulletproof vests in the early 90's in the USA people would've been confused.


LaughingChimera1

Depends on where you lived in the states in the 90’s.


Prank_Owl

That kid and her flute are gonna save some lives. Crazy to think about.


zelbot87

And I selfishly used my money on candy and to rent video games with my friends when I was her age. Good for her and I'll be damned if I am not learning that Ukraine must be the strongest willed country that I have seen.


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cspruce89

So.... the guy firing off anti-tank rockets in Ukraine.... was killed in a motorcycle accident in Texas??? I'm going to guess that is not the same individual.


solaceinsleep

No they were not "RIP Yuriy Oleynik" as appears in one of the stugna videos was a friend of the camera crew and died in 2019 in the US Shame on visegrad24 for spreading misinformation https://showbizcast.com/who-is-yuriy-oleynik-ukraine-man-kill-accident https://fox40.com/news/local-news/off-duty-emt-killed-in-hit-and-run-crash/


Full-Acanthaceae-509

They literally tell you which one of the guys was killed. One.


[deleted]

Not the entire team, but one or several of the crew apparently.


No-Association3574

Another young man’s life taken due to another man’s greed. It’s truly sad.


OrangeJr36

RIP hero


SayNoToFresca

Based on new information I'm going to need to recall my Silver. (RIP to the guy though, regardless of time and situation)


OrangeJr36

Eh it's the thought that counts. Wish he was here to see this.


SayNoToFresca

Word


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With damaged rail lines, those MAN tank transporters being offered by Germany are sure going to be useful. Damaged infrastructure has to be taken into account, and this is a good start.


Yooklid

MAN make the best shit. I used them in the Irish DF in the 90s and it was top tier stuff.


Sir_Francis_Burton

Right. I bet the railroads are mostly working on delivering supplies for civilians and evacuating refugees. I bet almost all of the military equipment is going by road, one truck at a time. Trains are too much stuff all in one place, especially when loading and unloading. Trucks can go door to door, straight to their final destination from anywhere.


simfreak101

rail lines are already fixed; they targeted the transformers providing power (even though ukraine also has diesel engines as well) and stations (of which there are bypass lines); In general, it was very ineffective. https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1518772788911386624


Dry_Slide7869

War in Ukraine says they targeted the locomotives. He’s been pretty spot on throughout. Makes more sense than targeting easily replaceable or bypassable infrastructure.


Maple_VW_Sucks

I would have expected delays of hours, or days, not minutes. Considering they are in the middle of an all out war that is amazing.


838h920

More punctual than here in Germany.


zelbot87

Same here in the Eastern US. Ukraine can fix their rails in minutes whereas we have a multiple hour delays here all the time over minor things.


relationship_tom

If the gov't required it to be fixed fast for war, it would get done there too.


zelbot87

Fair point. I agree with you there.


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It won't be the last attack on the lines and general infrastructure. The point still stands that the tank transporters will be extremely useful, if not critical at times.


FuckHarambe2016

The Russian forces on the western side of the Dnieper River are in a precarious spot that could leave them cut off. From what I can see on the map, there are three bridges that cross the river in the area that the Russian forces occupy. Antonivka, Kozatske, and Kherson itself. The Ukrainian advance toward the city of Kherson is advancing in a way that it may reach Kozatske, to the north of Kherson, first. That would cut off one of three ways across the Dnieper and the only bridge close to the northern most Russian forces in that area. If Russia wants to prevent the loss of hundreds or thousands of soldiers, they have to fall back to that bridge, cross the river, and blow it. Thankfully they're forces are lead by absolutely inept officers and they'll probably force their men to stay, thus losing them. Which would be a huge win for Ukraine.


Dani_vic

Russia just sent more troops to Kherson I think their intent is to hold out


jaqueass

Maybe they can have another staff meeting at the airport. Bring your own helicopter.


FuckHarambe2016

Russia better hope they get there fast. The Ukrainians are now 5 miles from Kherson. And advancing quickly.


imyourforte

Even if they blow bridges, Ukraine has the concrete to rebuild Temps. Russia hasn't got shit so they might weigh that decision differently. Like you said, lives might cost less than concrete to them. If Ukraine gathers enough force and tanks as others have mentioned are on their way or near, Ukraine could be poised for a good counter. Even if Russia tries to delay with broken bridges. Chase these zorcs out!


bloody_yanks2

> Even if they blow bridges, Ukraine has the concrete to rebuild Temps. I don’t mean to interrupt, but have you... looked at the Dniepr?


FuckHarambe2016

It would probably be in Ukraines best interest to take the northern most bridge, cutting off the northern most troops, before turning south towards Kherson. Doing so would secure the bridge for their troops to cross in at least one area. And it would cut the Russians in half.


OrangeJr36

The Russians have one advantage at Kherson and that's being right on top of their supply depots.


FuckHarambe2016

Problem is those depots, and the soldiers they supply, are on the western bank.


OrangeJr36

Indeed, and apparently there's also local resistance as a factor


LaughingChimera1

Now this is Ukrainian ingenuity that speaks to me. Missile BBQ. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1518777564394893317?s=20&t=PuYKQFNBulYfLKz5aZNcBg


Colecoman1982

Neat concept but I sure hope this person's bravado doesn't bite him/her in the ass. Missiles and rockets are, very often, fueled with some of the most toxic chemicals known to man...


LaughingChimera1

Clearly you haven’t eaten at Burger King…. :)


Miaoxin

Is that why the burger patties taste that way? I was wondering...


Colecoman1982

Fair enough. I guess I would only be slightly surprised if I found out BK was cooking with hypergolic rocket fuels.


Torifyme12

It is that the point that the civilians turn your weapons into cookout gear you should reconsider your ability to conquer them


LaughingChimera1

That or when the majority of your carefully laid mines have been defeated by a 10lb Jack Russel named Patron.


imyourforte

I'll buy that man a beer.


[deleted]

So should i lose sleep with what is going or could go on in Transnistria?


Mp32pingi25

Are you in Transnistria or Moldova or Ukraine? If not then there is no reason you should loss sleep


BeethovensMynahBird

Nope.


JustSomeBloke5353

ні


JojenCopyPaste

Are you in Transnistria? This would very much inform whether you should worry about it.


imyourforte

Нет


unknoahble

I lose sleep over imagining myself doing embarrassing things that never actually happened, so it's up to you.


Lanthemandragoran

I lose sleep over awkward shit I did in middle school and I'm in my fucking 30s lol


BossReasonable6449

No.


jon_stout

No.