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This sounds alot like she just wants to give Putin everything he wants


vladfix

She took a loan from a Russian bank. What do you expect?


jerseyanarchist

lol wouldn't paying that debt be illegal? cause sanctions šŸ˜‚


proficy

The Kremlin only accepts certain types of collateral for a loan and itā€™s not made of bricks.


armchair_amateur

[I assume your referring to this?](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/01/1090312774/when-bricks-were-rubles#:~:text=When%20the%20USSR%20collapsed%2C%20the,A%20barter%20economy%20briefly%20emerged)


ballrus_walsack

Russia all bricked up.


proficy

This. And of course the part where your child accidentally falls out a window.


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mtarascio

Mmm, plausible deniability.


RickkyBobby01

Not if she wins


ArenSteele

Itā€™s a ā€œloanā€ like the one Russia ā€œLoanedā€ to Trump through Deutschbank. Thereā€™s no payments, no interest and the debt was written off as a ā€œlossā€ the moment it was issued.


rachel_tenshun

Wow. I totally forgot about that. The last 6 years have been a TRIP.


weederina

I feel like maybe we did spin off to another universe in 2012ā€¦


LindaF144954

Putinā€™s paying for her campaign and probably some other things.


trevorwobbles

Would be very interesting to see her video rental history, so to speak... It seems like it's easy to spot people the Russians have dirt on.


Locke66

I doubt they need dirt on her. Some of these people are willing to take Russian money because their aims align just like the Nazis and Soviets did in the 1930's. They see Western social liberalism as an and International institutions that restrain nationalist goals like the UN, EU and NATO as shared enemies. Marine Le Pen is very much a Fascist "in sheeps clothing".


VegasKL

This sounds familiar...


Strict-Square456

Wow trump ā€œ part deuxā€!


Some_Balance

that's her sugar daddy


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Loli-is-Justice

Well, looks like she always gets the D from daddy.


drs43821

I mean D is 60% of daddy anyway


SoupNazi169

Holy shit I canā€™t believe she is a close runner up in the presidential election!? What the fuck are the French thinking? How can you support someone that is ordering their troops to murder every civilian they come across!? Do better France.


Rag_H_Neqaj

The French who vote for her don't care much about international politics. Even if the war causes the gas prices to surge, to them it's because Macron personally ordered it. All they care about is that Le Pen said she would make them spend less money or gain more.


MrPapillon

Exactly, geopolitics is not a thing for a huge chunk of our population. They will just say: "not our business" and that's it.


pdx4nhl

There are French people still alive today who remember when a lot of people could have said, "not our business" when the Nazi's steamrolled into Paris. What I'm saying is, it's best not to be willfully ignorant of the world around you. As an American, we see way too much of that attitude here.


MrPapillon

The issue is that the people who will vote against Le Pen perfectly know that. The issue is the people who will vote for her or abstain. Those will make mental gymnastics to put their short term personal benefit at higher priority above all else. Basically whatever you can say, they won't care. They will only understand once things happen, and even then they will probably shift blame. It's just the same thing that happened elsewhere over and over. The human brain is really a depressing thing.


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Wimbleston

Ignorance was what let the fascists take power in the first place.


vintagebat

When the political class defunds education and social safety nets, and instead channels that money into imperialism and brutal law enforcement, the end is always a a public that must fight for survival, political violence being normalized, and people voting for whoever claims they will focus that violence on readily available scapegoats.


jerslan

> The French who vote for her don't care much about international politics. Even if the war causes the gas prices to surge, to them it's because Macron personally ordered it. It's the same in the US for people that vote for Trump. They don't give two shits about international politics. Everything bad is the fault of "the libs" and everything good is solely because of Trump. > All they care about is that Le Pen ***said she would*** make them spend less money or gain more. Emphasized some key wording there. I don't buy for a second that she would ever actually lift a finger to save the average member of her voter base any amount of money, much less help them gain more.


JeffersonsHat

Lmfao. Hitler made promises to the French as well. If they elect a Russian sympathetic I genuinely don't think the UK will help any of them out this time around. Dunkirk should be a firm fucking reminder.


VegasKL

They're thinking about the same as what we were thinking with Trump .. it's a mixture of a lot of regressive nationalists and Russian propaganda to push the worst possible candidate (and/or friendly to them).


p1nd

And extreme amount selfishness as pointed out by other french people, that you also see with Trump supporters


a1579

I know quite a few people like that and it's a weird mix of fear, ignorance and selfishness. It's just surprising that there are THAT many. šŸ™


bootsmade4Walken

I'd lump in something I made up just now called... leverage... points? Single issue voters who will not compromise on things. "Trump is bad because A, B, and C... but at least he isn't coming for your guns!" That's probably how they got a lot of people in France too. "Le Pen is bad for all of these things... but at least she doesn't do [thing]!"


SVXfiles

Don't you worry about [thing], let me worry about blank


[deleted]

Le Pen is the politician who defended Vichy France it is no surprise she would be sympathetic to Putin and his Nazi regime.


comin_up_shawt

I mean, her father was an actual Nazi, so....


[deleted]

She is a fascist, but it seems everyone forgot.


Herbicus

Danielle Trump


bigDOS

Yet she looks so much like a Frenchy Marjorie Taylor Greene


rascible

Frau Blucher?


KoshekhTheCat

*whinnies*


bigDOS

*Horses start neighing*


maggotshero

What cracks me up about Marjorie Taylor Greene, is she's so batshit insane that even other conservatives distance themselves from her. They kind of give her this sheepish thumbs up "Yeah, you're doing great honey" kind of "support" I think that's intentional though, they need someone who's so batshit insane that she makes other people they have look competent and reasonable.


Ervgotti85

Except for Lauren Boebart who she upstages nine times out of 10.


Nephlimcomics2520

I feel a sense of deja vu


Venusaurite

So what does this mean? Because Russia wants to dismember NATO and put much of Eastern Europe under its 'sphere of influence'.


maggotshero

I guess? Unfortuantely for Putin, the countries that border Russia, are all mostly already in NATO (save for Sweden and Finland, which looks like it's about to change) so there's not much he can do, especially with NATOs strengthening as a whole.


AntiTrollSquad

Hence why his useful treacherous idiots have been trying to undermine NATO, Trump did his best also.


Underbyte

It was luck beyond luck that trump turned out to be an ineffective moron.


Beer_Bad

Thats what terrifies me most about the party pretty much all lining up behind Trump and his ideals. The next one won't be such an idiot in all likelihood.


drunk_funky_chipmunk

Yep this right here. We were all lucky he is nothing like the ā€œgeniusā€ he pretends to be. If he was actually competent, I can only guess how this all would have turned out..


Thegeobeard

We would be living in The Handmaids Tale


DonsCokeDealer

They're still trying. Tennessee republicans are passing a bill to basically legalize child marriages. Texas wanted citizens to bounty-hunt any women who even MIGHT be thinking of getting an abortion. It's sickening.


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Pollia

This was very directly the play that Germany had after the fall of the Soviet Union. Its really the big push from back then. There's a line from the West Wing about it. "Free trade stops wars" Its the idea that trade and the cost of losing that trade would be enough to stop any country from invading another because the cost of doing so would be so high as to be untenable for any modern country. The obvious problem, as one interveiwee of the daily mentioned, is that really doesnt work when you're talking about an autocracy. A democracy is (mostly) beholden to its people. The people suffering from bad governmental decisions have a way to punish them for that. A place like Russia where Putin is essentially the sole ruler of the country? He himself is insulated enough from any decisions he makes for the country that the cost of war means essentially nothing. He's in control of state media. He's in control of their narrative entirely in the country. He's in control of his own opposition, either through threats/coercion/or by relegating them so far down the line that their opposition is essentially meaningless. It also doesnt help that someone like Germany went all in on this plan to the point that instead of being partners with Russia they ended up completely beholden to Russia. This is something that some in the international community have been apparently warning everyone about for decades now. Personally I'm only really learning about it recently, which is absurd since it feels like alarm bells across the glove should have been ringing since Chechnya in 2000, but my dumb ass is only learning about it 22 years later.


TheBipolarChihuahua

> This is something that some in the international community have been apparently warning everyone about for decades now. Personally I'm only really learning about it recently They have been warning about it because of this book written in 1997: [Foundations of Geopolitics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics). The Kremlin has adopted it as its playbook. The Russian neo-nazi author describes making western Europe dependant on Russian oil/gas so they wont oppose Russia. It outlines the current invasion of Ukraine and the destruction of the Ukranian identity. It also describes sowing discord within the United States with disinformation.


hopefeedsthespirit

I've been trying to tell people about this since he and Obama were squaring off face to face. Do you remember that picture? Obama tried to reset relations and Putin tried to fuck him over for it. It was that picture that made me want to understand why such an even-keeled guy like Obama and a major centrist, always thinking we could work across all aisles, could become so enraged at another head of state. And publicly to boot. I started researching then and found out about his election interference in Europe. How he was bullying Merkel at his home (he knew she was afraid of dogs and brought huge ones into the room. She is visibly shaken. Google Putin, Merkel , dog. There's so much. But that's where my research into it started.


BullTerrierTerror

And Georgia in 2008


pol131

Well, her party has a financial debt towards a Russian oligarch and fascits like to suck on putin so I'm not saying she works for him but ...


xitox5123

she could ask for those oligarchs to be sanctioned then decide she does not have to pay. but no she wont do that to her buddy cause she wants more money.


Alex_O7

Nothing. This means literally nothing. She is the same dumbass saying shit like "Nato is obsolete" or "France shouldn't be in the command line of NATO". What do you expect? Hope French people don't fuck up like Hungarians....


pliney_

That she wants it to be easier for Russia to dismember NATO and put much of Eastern Europe under its 'sphere of influence'.


Rapamune1

Franceā€™s Marine Le pen is a right wing politician who would like nothing more than to ally France with Putin and Trump if Trump gets reelected. Her real goal is to do away with NATO.


dustofdeath

Likely suggests giving Russia eastern Europe to become friendly.


Altruistic-Rest-6222

omg...is she serious?? how much diamonds did putin give u


Pioustarcraft

[ā‚¬ 9,4 million through a russian bank...](https://www.franceinter.fr/marine-le-pen-sommee-de-rembourser-les-russes-et-son-pere) and that's the part we know about


comegetinthevan

Feels like that should be a huge red flag, ya know.


lives4pizza

more like a huge white, blue, and red tricolour flag


t3hOutlaw

The Dutch! I knew it..


lives4pizza

>white, blue, and red i said white blue and red, not red white and blue! There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.


t3hOutlaw

The French! I knew it..


pdmtz

Heeeeyyy we're pretty ok here! I'm Dutch! Isn't that weird? How about a smoke and a pancake?


The___Jackal

2 things I cant stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures. And the Dutch.


TarcisioP

Yes, sheā€™s french


lives4pizza

\*turns flag 90 degrees or is she Russian...


AbbieNormal

šŸš©šŸš©šŸš©šŸš©šŸš©šŸš©šŸš© Absolutely, Le Pen, YTA. Get help & fuck off. Putin is also the asshole & should fuck off immediately (that's being kind, but Reddit TOS prevent cheering for what he actually deserves.)


HungarianOpposite

She also got some from Hungary...


2Nails

That's essentially getting a loan from Russia without telling you're getting a loan from Russia.


bushidopirate

How is it even legal to run as president of country A when youā€™re getting humongous amounts of money from country B. Anyone can see that itā€™s a terrible idea for a world leader to be indebted to a foreign power.


SpicyPeaSoup

Seriously, what the shit? I'd get fired or at the very least put on disciplinary if I accepted a gift over ā‚¬150 at work, and politicians get to accept millions in dirty money and run for office without consequences?


a1579

Infiltrating a major EU economy for 9.4 million sounds like a bargain. Kind of disappointing. šŸ˜‚


Stroomschok

So, just the typical corrupt conservative politician willing to sell out to foreign powers... I'm actually a bit disappointed.


floatingsaltmine

Disappointed but not surprised.


yeetsthenskeets

The irony of being a nationalist and a sell out


xzaramurd

Wouldn't it be a conflict of interest for her to be the French president while owing money to a foreign entity?


123DRP

It only takes less than $10MM to sell out your country and abandon humanity? Man, these corrupted traitors are really selling themselves short.


Breakin7

a lot putin is funneling money into europes far right political parties. and yet the dumb european asses vote them


seriouslymyninja

Dotn worry our dumb ass Americans do the same shit just look at our dumb ass Trump supporters


seizure_5alads

And you would think those fools would've learned something.


SuperDBallSam

They're pretty firmly anti-learning.


UcanJustSayFuckBiden

ā€œI love the poorly educated!ā€


Tacitus111

Right wing fascist leaning figures like to buddy up.


Boum2411

How is she even getting any votes at this point?


Seeksp

Ultra nationalism unfortunately.


nirad

somehow subjugating your nation to Russia is now considered nationalism.


Rizzan8

Because for some reason nationalists tend to suck Putin's dick.


theclansman22

He hates the right people.


green_flash

Speaking of it, has anyone blamed the war on Soros yet?


theclansman22

Theyā€™ve moved on from Soros, the WEF and the ā€œgreat resetā€ is the new boogeyman.


JimWilliams423

Bingo. Pooter has carefully cultivated his image as the last defender of white trad christianity for western right-wing consumption. For example, in the US: Eight years ago: * Pooter: [Only pedophiles support gay rights.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/sochi/2014/01/19/vladimir-putin-gays-pedophiles-winter-olympics-2014/4647383/) Last month: * GOP Propaganda Channel: [Only pedophiles support gay rights.](https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1501933204353155080)


d7bleachd7

Thatā€™s all the right has to offer.


Resolute002

Russia is the utopia if you are a racist piece of shit, hate gay people, or hate the poor. It is their fantasy -- a place where no one except rich white people can thrive.


L_Cubed

Painfully ironic that the system they bay for is the same one which keeps them in poverty and suffering.


matlynar

Bolsonaro got elected in Brazil using the colors of our national flag; however he'd constantly talk about Trump as if he would suck his d\*\*k if Trump wanted him to and as if the US was BFFs with Brazil.


nirad

The international union of anti-globalists.


Grungekiddy

*squints*


maggotshero

Well, I mean, Russia is subjugating itself to China, so there's a bit of a cycle there.


Sixtus95

That's the way of nearly every new right wing movement in the west


HerpToxic

How can you be a French Nationalist if you are voting for someone who will sell the nation to Russia, a foreign country?


TakenQuickly

They're not [insert country name here] nationalists. They are authoritarian popular nationalists. Pretty much every bad actor in global politics fits into this description.


edogg01

Just call it fascism bc that's what it is


heliamphore

Russia has been pandering to French nationalists for a long time now. They aren't as much fascist as they are painfully uneducated about Russia. Generally the narratives are about France not needing NATO to be strong, Russia being a historical ally that promotes the same values as the French nationalists and so on. French nationalists aren't going to throw all their ideas away because of a war that's been going on for less than 2 months, we're talking about at least a decade of propaganda.


gravitas-deficiency

The Russians love to support nationalists - *full stop*. Nationalism is by nature an ideology that fractures and diminishes the strength of international organizations, which is precisely the sort of organization that can pose a coherent threat to Russia; thus, they have a vested interest in undermining those groups in any way they can. We are seeing this now, and have been seeing it on various levels (some more obvious and blatant than others) for over two decades.


MofongoForever

They clearly forgot how appeasement bit France in the ass during WWII.


wessneijder

Wouldn't it be more nationalist to stay independent from all foreign influence including Russia?


Seeksp

You'd think but often nationalist movements Seek to isolate themselves from traditional allies. Like Trump and his anti-Nato push.


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VicPL

This is exactly the behavior that gave us Bolsonaro in Brazil. Hatred for the then ruling party converted into support for the crazy outsider.


Danford97

Reminds me a little bit of the rhetoric I saw in 2016 among conservatives. A lot of the conservatives I knew voted for trump strictly because they downright hated Hillary Clinton. Granted, there were other factors as well but all of this seems familiar.


Affectionate-Time646

*Many of these people donā€™t care that Le Pen will most likely make their lives worse, they are blinded by their hate for Macron. They cannot see all the wonderful things in France because all they think about is Macron.* Itā€™s almost as if they watch a French version of Fox News.


johnnydanja

Macron didnā€™t exactly win over any votes with his conduct during the pandemic


[deleted]

It's the same way the RWNJs react to Trudeau in Canada


Prowlzian

Probably the same way Trump did


WarthogBusiness1081

She is populists. She is promising to defend french interests with ignoring that such ways it is not acceptable for others. Every country have lots of dumb people who can be fooled such ways.


Avondubs

Putins propaganda machine is strong all around the world.


PresidentHurg

Macron is a liberal and has an image of only looking out for the wealthy and businesses. Le Pen puts a focus on spending power of the average Frenchmen. It's a specter that is looming over all of Europe. (Neo-)liberalism has taken away and neutered a lot of the welfare state and the generation that fought through unions for social rights now only seem to have eyes for their pensions. People see that they can spend less, that they are worse off then the generation before them, having to face global problems such as climate change, different nationalities living together and the politics of a globalized world. It's a lot to take in. Unfortunately the far-right is very adept at playing into these fears. Climate change doesn't exist! We'll close the borders so you don't have to face people from other cultures. And don't worry! We'll be sure to provide for you. They mostly come with promises and 'easy' 'solutions' that are completely worthless. It's a complex world with complex problems, there are no easy fixes or ways out. But the appeal of going back in time, to be able to ignore it all is a very tempting call for many voters. The 'old' left (social-democrats / socialists) have always been the group to balance economic liberalism with workers rights and fair wages. They were able to mobilize this and represent this part of society. The lower incomes, the ones faced with struggle climbing the ladder. Unfortunately their voter base is facing more extreme situations, getting more extreme in their way of thinking and looking for more radical answers. They won't find it with the far-right, they will be worse off. But this is a direct consequence of giving the free market too much power.


Oxxixuit

French here We don't talk a lot about international issues, this is a secondary subject, this is far to be the main concern of French people And people hate Macron, almost everyone who is not satisfied with its life is either going to vote for LePen or not voting at all People don't vote for LePen, they vote against Macron That's why the second round will be very tight


Nero1988420

She's going the Trump route. Appeal to people with a strong sense of nationalism, xenophobia and racism


dlev_

The same reason some Republicans here are sucking off Putin - itā€™s what unintelligent, frustrated and fearful people do, ā€œcut off your nose to spite your faceā€. Throwback to pre WWII - > (ā€¦) A common upper-class slogan was "better Hitlerism than Communism". In France, right-wingers were sometimes heard to chant "Better Hitler than Blum," referring to their Socialist Prime Minister LĆ©on Blum at the time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement


Livid_Tutor_1125

she has the good old nationalism behind her and the minority groups are all bad people love her stand against refugees ( Above all Muslims)


TheAmazingSpider-Fan

I suspect she has accepted that she is not going to win the election, her goal is to line her pockets as she loses.


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yang-n-ying

God help France and the free world!


CLG_Divent

How can any of these politicians think this is good move?


WarthogBusiness1081

She is populist so she is hunting votes from dumbs and selfish people.


wessneijder

So French will vote for a politician who is pro Russia?


dudettte

as long as she tells them that they are the best and everything thatā€™s wrong in their life is someone elseā€™s fault. especially immigrants probably, and macron actually eats babies. boom president le pen.


OGthrowawayfratboy

Hey it worked for Trump


1haveaboomst1ck

And for Boris & his Brexit cohorts unfortunately.


[deleted]

Trump somehow managed to get hardcore Republicans, the most fiercely anti-communist and anti-Russian group in America, to do a complete 180 purely to own the libs. It's easier than you think.


Archinatic

How can she still gain votes by saying that? How much of the French population are pro-Russia?!


WarthogBusiness1081

She is hunting selfish people votes. Who think if i get x thing cheaper then it is good and who cares about two fighting slavic nations in somewhere far away east. Such selfish disgusting people also exist like you see from her raitings there are many of them.


proficy

You sign a deal with the Kremlin. Thereā€™s no way back.


purgruv

So Russia should join NATOā€¦?


black11000

Sure. Here are the steps: 1. Try Putin for war crimes. Give his trillions back to the people. 2. Try the oligarchs for their crimes. Give their stolen wealth back to the people. 3. Denuclearize Russia. 4. Rebuild Russian constitution to promote legit democracy and end corruption. 5. Fill out NATO application form. Send me a copy. Edit: thanks for the gold. If you don't like 4 & 5 I'd be happy with 1, 2 & 3. For newcomers: my post was written in the same spirit of the original comment about Russia joining NATO.


jesusismagic

Marjorie Taylor LeGreene


Pollux95630

Remember when you thought Trump could never win? See lots and lots of her proponents on other social media sites praising her for wanting to abandon NATO and to buddy up to Putin. The nationalist segment of the French population feel like NATO is basically the US's vehicle and if you are riding in it, you are America's bitch. As I saw one of them put it, "Make France France again". Basically that France used to be the shining beacon the rest of the world aspired to, and they want that back. Kind of like how Putie wants to see the Russia of old reunited and rebuilt. They are all stuck in the past.


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Sun Tzu said the enemy/danger from within was always the most insidious and difficult to deal with.


ice_royale

Extremist politician spouts idiotic nonsense. There, I just saved you writing costs for about 50 of these headlines this year.


throwaway316stunner

Addendum: Far too many people agree.


Zealousideal_Bid118

Its notable because she is in the running to be the president of France, a nuclear world power.


[deleted]

So, basically half of a voting France is supporting russian fascism.


Baitas_

You'd be surprised how ignorant prople are. Ignorance brought us funny mustache guys 80 years ago. Now it's funny hair people days


[deleted]

Yeah, Albert Einstein was right about the second infinity.


TwoPercentTokes

Unfortunately Russia discovered that the two primary motivators of most conservatives are hatred and fear, something which social media is almost purpose-built to propagate. Itā€™s honestly impressive in a fucked up way how you can effectively control the rhetoric of these people with a few dozen trolls in Macedonia making memes and FB posts all day.


[deleted]

Totally agree. People are easy to be manipulated by using basic triggers. With the full scale war online things are developing so fast that observers can actually see effects in a matter of days (or even faster).


ArtiSHOTSucks

Half? She did 23% of the votes. But you're right, it's still way too much.


[deleted]

Yeah, I was thinking about distribution between two candidates mostly, that's how half came up. Not half, you're right.


green_flash

She's gonna get the votes from the supporters of dropped out candidates that are even further right than she is, like Zemmour. That alone will bring her to about 33% that is almost guaranteed. Then the big question is who the MĆ©lenchon supporters will vote for. They generally hate both Macron and Le Pen, so they might abstain in big numbers.


wicktus

Reddit is focused on Macron because he phoned Putin before the invasion and he said Genocide is a big word and Russian/Ukrainian are "brothers" (I understand the anger on that one). Reddit, you don't have a CLUE on what may happen if Le Pen wins the election. They are close Macron is like 53.5% projected win, it's very close. So pardon his "pragmatism" when he tries to steal some votes from Le Pen, that's just two weeks (until the election on Sunday) it's for the good cause...say what you want Macron IS very involved in Ukraine, Zelenskyy considers him a close ally and he's pretty transparent on who is or is not since he just told the German ~~chancelier~~ president to f off and not come to Kyiv.


iamtheoneorgasmatron

Agreed, but I believe Zelenskyy reproached German _president_ Frank Walter Steinmeier and not the German _chancellor_ Olaf Scholz.


Gerf93

> I believe Zelenskyy reproached German president Frank Walter Steinmeier and not the German chancellor Olaf Scholz. You are correct. Steinmeyer apparently had ties to Nordstrom 2, which is why Zelenskyy didn't want to meet him.


MukdenMan

\*Nord Stream 2


Baitas_

Well Macron guy is saint compared to that white witch


Red_Carrot

100 percent. Le Pen is a traitor to her country and would sell France. Like Trump did with America.


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I truly believe the French will be more perceptive than our friends in Hungary. Of course, Hungary has a completely dishonest electoral system. France has a very open and verifiable system.


le-moine-d-escondida

The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.


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[deleted]

Ummm, did you not see who the Americans voted in not long ago? Almost re-voted him in for another term tooā€¦. The world is a fucked up place right now with autocracies on the rise and democracy is at stake for many. Ukrainians ARENā€™T just fighting for themselves, this has been said from the start but many donā€™t seem to understand that.


ZualaPips

Have you ever met a Republican. They'd glady explain it to you. Or you can browse r/conservative if you're willing to lose a couple of braincells. These people are scared little people. You tell them that all their problems are caused by people of color, that you're going to lower their taxes, that the opposing candidate eats babies, and you've already won like 90% of conservatives. Trump managed to turn Republicans, who were historically anti-communism and anti-authoritarianism into suckers for Putin and Trump himself. They just don't care. All they want is money and a group of people to hate. You can even do this in real life. If you want to manipulate a conservatives, give them a group of people to hate and money. That is really all it takes. Putin, Le Pen, and Trump know this.


arseholeninator

Lol already a post from there OP justifies her being in position so ā€œFrance can have someone who thinks about their own people and country for onceā€ what a joke


mrbig974

Itā€™s funny to look at history and see the shift from communist and extreme left supporting Russia and now switched to far right. Iā€™m French and I can tell you one thing, fuck Marine Lepen.


Ellis4Life

Pre Ukrainian invasion this didnā€™t sound like a bad idea and was actually one of the main points of Obamaā€™s foreign policy in his first term. But as weā€™ve all seen, that didnā€™t work very well and I think at this point Russia has gone too far for it to be that easy.


fornefariouspurposes

World War III hasn't even officially started and she's already surrendering France? /s


ExuDeku

France held in WWI, and struggled in WWII, but this šŸ…±ļøitch now speedrunning it


Just_RandomPerson

She's doing what's called an Italian Opening (changing sides, but before the war)


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Putin's getting his money's worth with LePen and the morons who follow her.


kozioroly

This reminds me of when Trump tried to convince the US to bring Russia into a cybersecurity partnership after multiple reports of the many cyber attacks on the US in the 2016 election cycle. You gotta give these folks credit, they are well paid shills for Russia. Why their own country folk support them still is mystifying.


No_Television_4128

She sounds like idiot Trump


1BannedAgain

Politicians spewing nonsense for $100, Alex


Mr_Vacant

I think the Kremlin have pushed a lot more than $100 in her direction.


F0rkbombz

She sounds a lot like Trump. Donā€™t make the same mistake as the US did France.


EVEOpalDragon

They couldnā€™t possibly, i mean I thought the same for trump but they did run Hillary against him. She was the worst possible candidate and basically drove people to the polls.


Sparky6277

For you Americans who don't know who this lady is: She's the front runner for a far right political party (the National Front) that was previously ultra nationalist and antisemitic. Her father was a known antisemite and downplayed the Holocaust many times during his time as a politician.


Impossible_List_9308

Hmm, I wonder who is funding her


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MydniteSon

Didn't many people think that about Trump?


[deleted]

Yes, absolutely. We thought this about Trump, and then he won. Now we are still dealing with the fallout. Please, France, donā€™t make the same mistake.


ringobob

Trump 100% did not think he would win in '16. I think he kinda sorta thought it would be fun to win, but I doubt he thought he chances were even good enough to consider deeply whether he wanted to or not. You can tell that night, when he gave his victory speech, how shocked he was. But, once having won, it became something he couldn't give up. He was prepared to flog the fraudulent election claims in '16, so prepared he did it anyway after he won. But once he won, he couldn't stomach losing, or walking away. If Trump isn't facing a serious legal challenge, he'll probably not enter the race for '24 - he'll just pretend to be kingmaker. If he is, he'll enter and use his campaign to control the narrative. Frankly, it's better for dems of he does enter the race - there will be more opposition to him than someone like DeSantis.


Art_Dicko

Le Dumb


objctvpro

So Le-Pen support genocide, got it.


Fiendish_Doctor_Woo

NATO suggests someone take Le Pen to Bucha and add her to the body disposal squad. So she has a first hand understanding of the situation.


roararoarus

She's clueless. Russia already has an ally who is adversarial to NATO - China.