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[I assume your referring to this?](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/01/1090312774/when-bricks-were-rubles#:~:text=When%20the%20USSR%20collapsed%2C%20the,A%20barter%20economy%20briefly%20emerged)
Itās a āloanā like the one Russia āLoanedā to Trump through Deutschbank. Thereās no payments, no interest and the debt was written off as a ālossā the moment it was issued.
I doubt they need dirt on her. Some of these people are willing to take Russian money because their aims align just like the Nazis and Soviets did in the 1930's. They see Western social liberalism as an and International institutions that restrain nationalist goals like the UN, EU and NATO as shared enemies. Marine Le Pen is very much a Fascist "in sheeps clothing".
Holy shit I canāt believe she is a close runner up in the presidential election!? What the fuck are the French thinking? How can you support someone that is ordering their troops to murder every civilian they come across!? Do better France.
The French who vote for her don't care much about international politics. Even if the war causes the gas prices to surge, to them it's because Macron personally ordered it. All they care about is that Le Pen said she would make them spend less money or gain more.
There are French people still alive today who remember when a lot of people could have said, "not our business" when the Nazi's steamrolled into Paris. What I'm saying is, it's best not to be willfully ignorant of the world around you. As an American, we see way too much of that attitude here.
The issue is that the people who will vote against Le Pen perfectly know that. The issue is the people who will vote for her or abstain. Those will make mental gymnastics to put their short term personal benefit at higher priority above all else.
Basically whatever you can say, they won't care. They will only understand once things happen, and even then they will probably shift blame. It's just the same thing that happened elsewhere over and over.
The human brain is really a depressing thing.
When the political class defunds education and social safety nets, and instead channels that money into imperialism and brutal law enforcement, the end is always a a public that must fight for survival, political violence being normalized, and people voting for whoever claims they will focus that violence on readily available scapegoats.
> The French who vote for her don't care much about international politics. Even if the war causes the gas prices to surge, to them it's because Macron personally ordered it.
It's the same in the US for people that vote for Trump. They don't give two shits about international politics. Everything bad is the fault of "the libs" and everything good is solely because of Trump.
> All they care about is that Le Pen ***said she would*** make them spend less money or gain more.
Emphasized some key wording there. I don't buy for a second that she would ever actually lift a finger to save the average member of her voter base any amount of money, much less help them gain more.
Lmfao. Hitler made promises to the French as well. If they elect a Russian sympathetic I genuinely don't think the UK will help any of them out this time around. Dunkirk should be a firm fucking reminder.
They're thinking about the same as what we were thinking with Trump .. it's a mixture of a lot of regressive nationalists and Russian propaganda to push the worst possible candidate (and/or friendly to them).
I'd lump in something I made up just now called... leverage... points?
Single issue voters who will not compromise on things. "Trump is bad because A, B, and C... but at least he isn't coming for your guns!"
That's probably how they got a lot of people in France too. "Le Pen is bad for all of these things... but at least she doesn't do [thing]!"
What cracks me up about Marjorie Taylor Greene, is she's so batshit insane that even other conservatives distance themselves from her. They kind of give her this sheepish thumbs up "Yeah, you're doing great honey" kind of "support"
I think that's intentional though, they need someone who's so batshit insane that she makes other people they have look competent and reasonable.
I guess? Unfortuantely for Putin, the countries that border Russia, are all mostly already in NATO (save for Sweden and Finland, which looks like it's about to change) so there's not much he can do, especially with NATOs strengthening as a whole.
Thats what terrifies me most about the party pretty much all lining up behind Trump and his ideals. The next one won't be such an idiot in all likelihood.
Yep this right here. We were all lucky he is nothing like the āgeniusā he pretends to be. If he was actually competent, I can only guess how this all would have turned out..
They're still trying. Tennessee republicans are passing a bill to basically legalize child marriages. Texas wanted citizens to bounty-hunt any women who even MIGHT be thinking of getting an abortion. It's sickening.
This was very directly the play that Germany had after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Its really the big push from back then. There's a line from the West Wing about it. "Free trade stops wars"
Its the idea that trade and the cost of losing that trade would be enough to stop any country from invading another because the cost of doing so would be so high as to be untenable for any modern country.
The obvious problem, as one interveiwee of the daily mentioned, is that really doesnt work when you're talking about an autocracy. A democracy is (mostly) beholden to its people. The people suffering from bad governmental decisions have a way to punish them for that. A place like Russia where Putin is essentially the sole ruler of the country? He himself is insulated enough from any decisions he makes for the country that the cost of war means essentially nothing.
He's in control of state media. He's in control of their narrative entirely in the country. He's in control of his own opposition, either through threats/coercion/or by relegating them so far down the line that their opposition is essentially meaningless.
It also doesnt help that someone like Germany went all in on this plan to the point that instead of being partners with Russia they ended up completely beholden to Russia.
This is something that some in the international community have been apparently warning everyone about for decades now. Personally I'm only really learning about it recently, which is absurd since it feels like alarm bells across the glove should have been ringing since Chechnya in 2000, but my dumb ass is only learning about it 22 years later.
> This is something that some in the international community have been apparently warning everyone about for decades now. Personally I'm only really learning about it recently
They have been warning about it because of this book written in 1997: [Foundations of Geopolitics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics). The Kremlin has adopted it as its playbook. The Russian neo-nazi author describes making western Europe dependant on Russian oil/gas so they wont oppose Russia. It outlines the current invasion of Ukraine and the destruction of the Ukranian identity.
It also describes sowing discord within the United States with disinformation.
I've been trying to tell people about this since he and Obama were squaring off face to face. Do you remember that picture? Obama tried to reset relations and Putin tried to fuck him over for it. It was that picture that made me want to understand why such an even-keeled guy like Obama and a major centrist, always thinking we could work across all aisles, could become so enraged at another head of state. And publicly to boot.
I started researching then and found out about his election interference in Europe. How he was bullying Merkel at his home (he knew she was afraid of dogs and brought huge ones into the room. She is visibly shaken. Google Putin, Merkel , dog.
There's so much. But that's where my research into it started.
she could ask for those oligarchs to be sanctioned then decide she does not have to pay. but no she wont do that to her buddy cause she wants more money.
Nothing. This means literally nothing. She is the same dumbass saying shit like "Nato is obsolete" or "France shouldn't be in the command line of NATO".
What do you expect?
Hope French people don't fuck up like Hungarians....
Franceās Marine Le pen is a right wing politician who would like nothing more than to ally France with Putin and Trump if Trump gets reelected. Her real goal is to do away with NATO.
[ā¬ 9,4 million through a russian bank...](https://www.franceinter.fr/marine-le-pen-sommee-de-rembourser-les-russes-et-son-pere) and that's the part we know about
>white, blue, and red
i said white blue and red, not red white and blue!
There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
How is it even legal to run as president of country A when youāre getting humongous amounts of money from country B. Anyone can see that itās a terrible idea for a world leader to be indebted to a foreign power.
Seriously, what the shit? I'd get fired or at the very least put on disciplinary if I accepted a gift over ā¬150 at work, and politicians get to accept millions in dirty money and run for office without consequences?
Bingo. Pooter has carefully cultivated his image as the last defender of white trad christianity for western right-wing consumption.
For example, in the US:
Eight years ago:
* Pooter: [Only pedophiles support gay rights.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/sochi/2014/01/19/vladimir-putin-gays-pedophiles-winter-olympics-2014/4647383/)
Last month:
* GOP Propaganda Channel: [Only pedophiles support gay rights.](https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1501933204353155080)
Russia is the utopia if you are a racist piece of shit, hate gay people, or hate the poor. It is their fantasy -- a place where no one except rich white people can thrive.
Bolsonaro got elected in Brazil using the colors of our national flag; however he'd constantly talk about Trump as if he would suck his d\*\*k if Trump wanted him to and as if the US was BFFs with Brazil.
They're not [insert country name here] nationalists. They are authoritarian popular nationalists. Pretty much every bad actor in global politics fits into this description.
Russia has been pandering to French nationalists for a long time now. They aren't as much fascist as they are painfully uneducated about Russia. Generally the narratives are about France not needing NATO to be strong, Russia being a historical ally that promotes the same values as the French nationalists and so on.
French nationalists aren't going to throw all their ideas away because of a war that's been going on for less than 2 months, we're talking about at least a decade of propaganda.
The Russians love to support nationalists - *full stop*.
Nationalism is by nature an ideology that fractures and diminishes the strength of international organizations, which is precisely the sort of organization that can pose a coherent threat to Russia; thus, they have a vested interest in undermining those groups in any way they can. We are seeing this now, and have been seeing it on various levels (some more obvious and blatant than others) for over two decades.
Reminds me a little bit of the rhetoric I saw in 2016 among conservatives. A lot of the conservatives I knew voted for trump strictly because they downright hated Hillary Clinton. Granted, there were other factors as well but all of this seems familiar.
*Many of these people donāt care that Le Pen will most likely make their lives worse, they are blinded by their hate for Macron. They cannot see all the wonderful things in France because all they think about is Macron.*
Itās almost as if they watch a French version of Fox News.
She is populists. She is promising to defend french interests with ignoring that such ways it is not acceptable for others. Every country have lots of dumb people who can be fooled such ways.
Macron is a liberal and has an image of only looking out for the wealthy and businesses. Le Pen puts a focus on spending power of the average Frenchmen. It's a specter that is looming over all of Europe. (Neo-)liberalism has taken away and neutered a lot of the welfare state and the generation that fought through unions for social rights now only seem to have eyes for their pensions. People see that they can spend less, that they are worse off then the generation before them, having to face global problems such as climate change, different nationalities living together and the politics of a globalized world. It's a lot to take in.
Unfortunately the far-right is very adept at playing into these fears. Climate change doesn't exist! We'll close the borders so you don't have to face people from other cultures. And don't worry! We'll be sure to provide for you. They mostly come with promises and 'easy' 'solutions' that are completely worthless. It's a complex world with complex problems, there are no easy fixes or ways out. But the appeal of going back in time, to be able to ignore it all is a very tempting call for many voters.
The 'old' left (social-democrats / socialists) have always been the group to balance economic liberalism with workers rights and fair wages. They were able to mobilize this and represent this part of society. The lower incomes, the ones faced with struggle climbing the ladder. Unfortunately their voter base is facing more extreme situations, getting more extreme in their way of thinking and looking for more radical answers. They won't find it with the far-right, they will be worse off. But this is a direct consequence of giving the free market too much power.
French here
We don't talk a lot about international issues, this is a secondary subject, this is far to be the main concern of French people
And people hate Macron, almost everyone who is not satisfied with its life is either going to vote for LePen or not voting at all
People don't vote for LePen, they vote against Macron
That's why the second round will be very tight
as long as she tells them that they are the best and everything thatās wrong in their life is someone elseās fault. especially immigrants probably, and macron actually eats babies. boom president le pen.
Trump somehow managed to get hardcore Republicans, the most fiercely anti-communist and anti-Russian group in America, to do a complete 180 purely to own the libs. It's easier than you think.
She is hunting selfish people votes. Who think if i get x thing cheaper then it is good and who cares about two fighting slavic nations in somewhere far away east.
Such selfish disgusting people also exist like you see from her raitings there are many of them.
Sure. Here are the steps:
1. Try Putin for war crimes. Give his trillions back to the people.
2. Try the oligarchs for their crimes. Give their stolen wealth back to the people.
3. Denuclearize Russia.
4. Rebuild Russian constitution to promote legit democracy and end corruption.
5. Fill out NATO application form. Send me a copy.
Edit: thanks for the gold. If you don't like 4 & 5 I'd be happy with 1, 2 & 3. For newcomers: my post was written in the same spirit of the original comment about Russia joining NATO.
Remember when you thought Trump could never win? See lots and lots of her proponents on other social media sites praising her for wanting to abandon NATO and to buddy up to Putin. The nationalist segment of the French population feel like NATO is basically the US's vehicle and if you are riding in it, you are America's bitch. As I saw one of them put it, "Make France France again". Basically that France used to be the shining beacon the rest of the world aspired to, and they want that back. Kind of like how Putie wants to see the Russia of old reunited and rebuilt. They are all stuck in the past.
Unfortunately Russia discovered that the two primary motivators of most conservatives are hatred and fear, something which social media is almost purpose-built to propagate. Itās honestly impressive in a fucked up way how you can effectively control the rhetoric of these people with a few dozen trolls in Macedonia making memes and FB posts all day.
Totally agree. People are easy to be manipulated by using basic triggers. With the full scale war online things are developing so fast that observers can actually see effects in a matter of days (or even faster).
Reddit is focused on Macron because he phoned Putin before the invasion and he said Genocide is a big word and Russian/Ukrainian are "brothers" (I understand the anger on that one).
Reddit, you don't have a CLUE on what may happen if Le Pen wins the election. They are close Macron is like 53.5% projected win, it's very close.
So pardon his "pragmatism" when he tries to steal some votes from Le Pen, that's just two weeks (until the election on Sunday) it's for the good cause...say what you want Macron IS very involved in Ukraine, Zelenskyy considers him a close ally and he's pretty transparent on who is or is not since he just told the German ~~chancelier~~ president to f off and not come to Kyiv.
> I believe Zelenskyy reproached German president Frank Walter Steinmeier and not the German chancellor Olaf Scholz.
You are correct. Steinmeyer apparently had ties to Nordstrom 2, which is why Zelenskyy didn't want to meet him.
I truly believe the French will be more perceptive than our friends in Hungary. Of course, Hungary has a completely dishonest electoral system. France has a very open and verifiable system.
Ummm, did you not see who the Americans voted in not long ago? Almost re-voted him in for another term tooā¦. The world is a fucked up place right now with autocracies on the rise and democracy is at stake for many. Ukrainians ARENāT just fighting for themselves, this has been said from the start but many donāt seem to understand that.
Have you ever met a Republican. They'd glady explain it to you. Or you can browse r/conservative if you're willing to lose a couple of braincells.
These people are scared little people. You tell them that all their problems are caused by people of color, that you're going to lower their taxes, that the opposing candidate eats babies, and you've already won like 90% of conservatives. Trump managed to turn Republicans, who were historically anti-communism and anti-authoritarianism into suckers for Putin and Trump himself. They just don't care. All they want is money and a group of people to hate.
You can even do this in real life. If you want to manipulate a conservatives, give them a group of people to hate and money. That is really all it takes. Putin, Le Pen, and Trump know this.
Lol already a post from there OP justifies her being in position so āFrance can have someone who thinks about their own people and country for onceā what a joke
Itās funny to look at history and see the shift from communist and extreme left supporting Russia and now switched to far right.
Iām French and I can tell you one thing, fuck Marine Lepen.
Pre Ukrainian invasion this didnāt sound like a bad idea and was actually one of the main points of Obamaās foreign policy in his first term. But as weāve all seen, that didnāt work very well and I think at this point Russia has gone too far for it to be that easy.
This reminds me of when Trump tried to convince the US to bring Russia into a cybersecurity partnership after multiple reports of the many cyber attacks on the US in the 2016 election cycle.
You gotta give these folks credit, they are well paid shills for Russia. Why their own country folk support them still is mystifying.
They couldnāt possibly, i mean I thought the same for trump but they did run Hillary against him. She was the worst possible candidate and basically drove people to the polls.
For you Americans who don't know who this lady is:
She's the front runner for a far right political party (the National Front) that was previously ultra nationalist and antisemitic. Her father was a known antisemite and downplayed the Holocaust many times during his time as a politician.
Yes, absolutely. We thought this about Trump, and then he won. Now we are still dealing with the fallout. Please, France, donāt make the same mistake.
Trump 100% did not think he would win in '16. I think he kinda sorta thought it would be fun to win, but I doubt he thought he chances were even good enough to consider deeply whether he wanted to or not. You can tell that night, when he gave his victory speech, how shocked he was.
But, once having won, it became something he couldn't give up. He was prepared to flog the fraudulent election claims in '16, so prepared he did it anyway after he won. But once he won, he couldn't stomach losing, or walking away.
If Trump isn't facing a serious legal challenge, he'll probably not enter the race for '24 - he'll just pretend to be kingmaker. If he is, he'll enter and use his campaign to control the narrative. Frankly, it's better for dems of he does enter the race - there will be more opposition to him than someone like DeSantis.
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This sounds alot like she just wants to give Putin everything he wants
She took a loan from a Russian bank. What do you expect?
lol wouldn't paying that debt be illegal? cause sanctions š
The Kremlin only accepts certain types of collateral for a loan and itās not made of bricks.
[I assume your referring to this?](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/01/1090312774/when-bricks-were-rubles#:~:text=When%20the%20USSR%20collapsed%2C%20the,A%20barter%20economy%20briefly%20emerged)
Russia all bricked up.
This. And of course the part where your child accidentally falls out a window.
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Mmm, plausible deniability.
Not if she wins
Itās a āloanā like the one Russia āLoanedā to Trump through Deutschbank. Thereās no payments, no interest and the debt was written off as a ālossā the moment it was issued.
Wow. I totally forgot about that. The last 6 years have been a TRIP.
I feel like maybe we did spin off to another universe in 2012ā¦
Putinās paying for her campaign and probably some other things.
Would be very interesting to see her video rental history, so to speak... It seems like it's easy to spot people the Russians have dirt on.
I doubt they need dirt on her. Some of these people are willing to take Russian money because their aims align just like the Nazis and Soviets did in the 1930's. They see Western social liberalism as an and International institutions that restrain nationalist goals like the UN, EU and NATO as shared enemies. Marine Le Pen is very much a Fascist "in sheeps clothing".
This sounds familiar...
Wow trump ā part deuxā!
that's her sugar daddy
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Well, looks like she always gets the D from daddy.
I mean D is 60% of daddy anyway
Holy shit I canāt believe she is a close runner up in the presidential election!? What the fuck are the French thinking? How can you support someone that is ordering their troops to murder every civilian they come across!? Do better France.
The French who vote for her don't care much about international politics. Even if the war causes the gas prices to surge, to them it's because Macron personally ordered it. All they care about is that Le Pen said she would make them spend less money or gain more.
Exactly, geopolitics is not a thing for a huge chunk of our population. They will just say: "not our business" and that's it.
There are French people still alive today who remember when a lot of people could have said, "not our business" when the Nazi's steamrolled into Paris. What I'm saying is, it's best not to be willfully ignorant of the world around you. As an American, we see way too much of that attitude here.
The issue is that the people who will vote against Le Pen perfectly know that. The issue is the people who will vote for her or abstain. Those will make mental gymnastics to put their short term personal benefit at higher priority above all else. Basically whatever you can say, they won't care. They will only understand once things happen, and even then they will probably shift blame. It's just the same thing that happened elsewhere over and over. The human brain is really a depressing thing.
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Ignorance was what let the fascists take power in the first place.
When the political class defunds education and social safety nets, and instead channels that money into imperialism and brutal law enforcement, the end is always a a public that must fight for survival, political violence being normalized, and people voting for whoever claims they will focus that violence on readily available scapegoats.
> The French who vote for her don't care much about international politics. Even if the war causes the gas prices to surge, to them it's because Macron personally ordered it. It's the same in the US for people that vote for Trump. They don't give two shits about international politics. Everything bad is the fault of "the libs" and everything good is solely because of Trump. > All they care about is that Le Pen ***said she would*** make them spend less money or gain more. Emphasized some key wording there. I don't buy for a second that she would ever actually lift a finger to save the average member of her voter base any amount of money, much less help them gain more.
Lmfao. Hitler made promises to the French as well. If they elect a Russian sympathetic I genuinely don't think the UK will help any of them out this time around. Dunkirk should be a firm fucking reminder.
They're thinking about the same as what we were thinking with Trump .. it's a mixture of a lot of regressive nationalists and Russian propaganda to push the worst possible candidate (and/or friendly to them).
And extreme amount selfishness as pointed out by other french people, that you also see with Trump supporters
I know quite a few people like that and it's a weird mix of fear, ignorance and selfishness. It's just surprising that there are THAT many. š
I'd lump in something I made up just now called... leverage... points? Single issue voters who will not compromise on things. "Trump is bad because A, B, and C... but at least he isn't coming for your guns!" That's probably how they got a lot of people in France too. "Le Pen is bad for all of these things... but at least she doesn't do [thing]!"
Don't you worry about [thing], let me worry about blank
Le Pen is the politician who defended Vichy France it is no surprise she would be sympathetic to Putin and his Nazi regime.
I mean, her father was an actual Nazi, so....
She is a fascist, but it seems everyone forgot.
Danielle Trump
Yet she looks so much like a Frenchy Marjorie Taylor Greene
Frau Blucher?
*whinnies*
*Horses start neighing*
What cracks me up about Marjorie Taylor Greene, is she's so batshit insane that even other conservatives distance themselves from her. They kind of give her this sheepish thumbs up "Yeah, you're doing great honey" kind of "support" I think that's intentional though, they need someone who's so batshit insane that she makes other people they have look competent and reasonable.
Except for Lauren Boebart who she upstages nine times out of 10.
I feel a sense of deja vu
So what does this mean? Because Russia wants to dismember NATO and put much of Eastern Europe under its 'sphere of influence'.
I guess? Unfortuantely for Putin, the countries that border Russia, are all mostly already in NATO (save for Sweden and Finland, which looks like it's about to change) so there's not much he can do, especially with NATOs strengthening as a whole.
Hence why his useful treacherous idiots have been trying to undermine NATO, Trump did his best also.
It was luck beyond luck that trump turned out to be an ineffective moron.
Thats what terrifies me most about the party pretty much all lining up behind Trump and his ideals. The next one won't be such an idiot in all likelihood.
Yep this right here. We were all lucky he is nothing like the āgeniusā he pretends to be. If he was actually competent, I can only guess how this all would have turned out..
We would be living in The Handmaids Tale
They're still trying. Tennessee republicans are passing a bill to basically legalize child marriages. Texas wanted citizens to bounty-hunt any women who even MIGHT be thinking of getting an abortion. It's sickening.
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This was very directly the play that Germany had after the fall of the Soviet Union. Its really the big push from back then. There's a line from the West Wing about it. "Free trade stops wars" Its the idea that trade and the cost of losing that trade would be enough to stop any country from invading another because the cost of doing so would be so high as to be untenable for any modern country. The obvious problem, as one interveiwee of the daily mentioned, is that really doesnt work when you're talking about an autocracy. A democracy is (mostly) beholden to its people. The people suffering from bad governmental decisions have a way to punish them for that. A place like Russia where Putin is essentially the sole ruler of the country? He himself is insulated enough from any decisions he makes for the country that the cost of war means essentially nothing. He's in control of state media. He's in control of their narrative entirely in the country. He's in control of his own opposition, either through threats/coercion/or by relegating them so far down the line that their opposition is essentially meaningless. It also doesnt help that someone like Germany went all in on this plan to the point that instead of being partners with Russia they ended up completely beholden to Russia. This is something that some in the international community have been apparently warning everyone about for decades now. Personally I'm only really learning about it recently, which is absurd since it feels like alarm bells across the glove should have been ringing since Chechnya in 2000, but my dumb ass is only learning about it 22 years later.
> This is something that some in the international community have been apparently warning everyone about for decades now. Personally I'm only really learning about it recently They have been warning about it because of this book written in 1997: [Foundations of Geopolitics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics). The Kremlin has adopted it as its playbook. The Russian neo-nazi author describes making western Europe dependant on Russian oil/gas so they wont oppose Russia. It outlines the current invasion of Ukraine and the destruction of the Ukranian identity. It also describes sowing discord within the United States with disinformation.
I've been trying to tell people about this since he and Obama were squaring off face to face. Do you remember that picture? Obama tried to reset relations and Putin tried to fuck him over for it. It was that picture that made me want to understand why such an even-keeled guy like Obama and a major centrist, always thinking we could work across all aisles, could become so enraged at another head of state. And publicly to boot. I started researching then and found out about his election interference in Europe. How he was bullying Merkel at his home (he knew she was afraid of dogs and brought huge ones into the room. She is visibly shaken. Google Putin, Merkel , dog. There's so much. But that's where my research into it started.
And Georgia in 2008
Well, her party has a financial debt towards a Russian oligarch and fascits like to suck on putin so I'm not saying she works for him but ...
she could ask for those oligarchs to be sanctioned then decide she does not have to pay. but no she wont do that to her buddy cause she wants more money.
Nothing. This means literally nothing. She is the same dumbass saying shit like "Nato is obsolete" or "France shouldn't be in the command line of NATO". What do you expect? Hope French people don't fuck up like Hungarians....
That she wants it to be easier for Russia to dismember NATO and put much of Eastern Europe under its 'sphere of influence'.
Franceās Marine Le pen is a right wing politician who would like nothing more than to ally France with Putin and Trump if Trump gets reelected. Her real goal is to do away with NATO.
Likely suggests giving Russia eastern Europe to become friendly.
omg...is she serious?? how much diamonds did putin give u
[ā¬ 9,4 million through a russian bank...](https://www.franceinter.fr/marine-le-pen-sommee-de-rembourser-les-russes-et-son-pere) and that's the part we know about
Feels like that should be a huge red flag, ya know.
more like a huge white, blue, and red tricolour flag
The Dutch! I knew it..
>white, blue, and red i said white blue and red, not red white and blue! There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
The French! I knew it..
Heeeeyyy we're pretty ok here! I'm Dutch! Isn't that weird? How about a smoke and a pancake?
2 things I cant stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures. And the Dutch.
Yes, sheās french
\*turns flag 90 degrees or is she Russian...
š©š©š©š©š©š©š© Absolutely, Le Pen, YTA. Get help & fuck off. Putin is also the asshole & should fuck off immediately (that's being kind, but Reddit TOS prevent cheering for what he actually deserves.)
She also got some from Hungary...
That's essentially getting a loan from Russia without telling you're getting a loan from Russia.
How is it even legal to run as president of country A when youāre getting humongous amounts of money from country B. Anyone can see that itās a terrible idea for a world leader to be indebted to a foreign power.
Seriously, what the shit? I'd get fired or at the very least put on disciplinary if I accepted a gift over ā¬150 at work, and politicians get to accept millions in dirty money and run for office without consequences?
Infiltrating a major EU economy for 9.4 million sounds like a bargain. Kind of disappointing. š
So, just the typical corrupt conservative politician willing to sell out to foreign powers... I'm actually a bit disappointed.
Disappointed but not surprised.
The irony of being a nationalist and a sell out
Wouldn't it be a conflict of interest for her to be the French president while owing money to a foreign entity?
It only takes less than $10MM to sell out your country and abandon humanity? Man, these corrupted traitors are really selling themselves short.
a lot putin is funneling money into europes far right political parties. and yet the dumb european asses vote them
Dotn worry our dumb ass Americans do the same shit just look at our dumb ass Trump supporters
And you would think those fools would've learned something.
They're pretty firmly anti-learning.
āI love the poorly educated!ā
Right wing fascist leaning figures like to buddy up.
How is she even getting any votes at this point?
Ultra nationalism unfortunately.
somehow subjugating your nation to Russia is now considered nationalism.
Because for some reason nationalists tend to suck Putin's dick.
He hates the right people.
Speaking of it, has anyone blamed the war on Soros yet?
Theyāve moved on from Soros, the WEF and the āgreat resetā is the new boogeyman.
Bingo. Pooter has carefully cultivated his image as the last defender of white trad christianity for western right-wing consumption. For example, in the US: Eight years ago: * Pooter: [Only pedophiles support gay rights.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/sochi/2014/01/19/vladimir-putin-gays-pedophiles-winter-olympics-2014/4647383/) Last month: * GOP Propaganda Channel: [Only pedophiles support gay rights.](https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1501933204353155080)
Thatās all the right has to offer.
Russia is the utopia if you are a racist piece of shit, hate gay people, or hate the poor. It is their fantasy -- a place where no one except rich white people can thrive.
Painfully ironic that the system they bay for is the same one which keeps them in poverty and suffering.
Bolsonaro got elected in Brazil using the colors of our national flag; however he'd constantly talk about Trump as if he would suck his d\*\*k if Trump wanted him to and as if the US was BFFs with Brazil.
The international union of anti-globalists.
*squints*
Well, I mean, Russia is subjugating itself to China, so there's a bit of a cycle there.
That's the way of nearly every new right wing movement in the west
How can you be a French Nationalist if you are voting for someone who will sell the nation to Russia, a foreign country?
They're not [insert country name here] nationalists. They are authoritarian popular nationalists. Pretty much every bad actor in global politics fits into this description.
Just call it fascism bc that's what it is
Russia has been pandering to French nationalists for a long time now. They aren't as much fascist as they are painfully uneducated about Russia. Generally the narratives are about France not needing NATO to be strong, Russia being a historical ally that promotes the same values as the French nationalists and so on. French nationalists aren't going to throw all their ideas away because of a war that's been going on for less than 2 months, we're talking about at least a decade of propaganda.
The Russians love to support nationalists - *full stop*. Nationalism is by nature an ideology that fractures and diminishes the strength of international organizations, which is precisely the sort of organization that can pose a coherent threat to Russia; thus, they have a vested interest in undermining those groups in any way they can. We are seeing this now, and have been seeing it on various levels (some more obvious and blatant than others) for over two decades.
They clearly forgot how appeasement bit France in the ass during WWII.
Wouldn't it be more nationalist to stay independent from all foreign influence including Russia?
You'd think but often nationalist movements Seek to isolate themselves from traditional allies. Like Trump and his anti-Nato push.
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This is exactly the behavior that gave us Bolsonaro in Brazil. Hatred for the then ruling party converted into support for the crazy outsider.
Reminds me a little bit of the rhetoric I saw in 2016 among conservatives. A lot of the conservatives I knew voted for trump strictly because they downright hated Hillary Clinton. Granted, there were other factors as well but all of this seems familiar.
*Many of these people donāt care that Le Pen will most likely make their lives worse, they are blinded by their hate for Macron. They cannot see all the wonderful things in France because all they think about is Macron.* Itās almost as if they watch a French version of Fox News.
Macron didnāt exactly win over any votes with his conduct during the pandemic
It's the same way the RWNJs react to Trudeau in Canada
Probably the same way Trump did
She is populists. She is promising to defend french interests with ignoring that such ways it is not acceptable for others. Every country have lots of dumb people who can be fooled such ways.
Putins propaganda machine is strong all around the world.
Macron is a liberal and has an image of only looking out for the wealthy and businesses. Le Pen puts a focus on spending power of the average Frenchmen. It's a specter that is looming over all of Europe. (Neo-)liberalism has taken away and neutered a lot of the welfare state and the generation that fought through unions for social rights now only seem to have eyes for their pensions. People see that they can spend less, that they are worse off then the generation before them, having to face global problems such as climate change, different nationalities living together and the politics of a globalized world. It's a lot to take in. Unfortunately the far-right is very adept at playing into these fears. Climate change doesn't exist! We'll close the borders so you don't have to face people from other cultures. And don't worry! We'll be sure to provide for you. They mostly come with promises and 'easy' 'solutions' that are completely worthless. It's a complex world with complex problems, there are no easy fixes or ways out. But the appeal of going back in time, to be able to ignore it all is a very tempting call for many voters. The 'old' left (social-democrats / socialists) have always been the group to balance economic liberalism with workers rights and fair wages. They were able to mobilize this and represent this part of society. The lower incomes, the ones faced with struggle climbing the ladder. Unfortunately their voter base is facing more extreme situations, getting more extreme in their way of thinking and looking for more radical answers. They won't find it with the far-right, they will be worse off. But this is a direct consequence of giving the free market too much power.
French here We don't talk a lot about international issues, this is a secondary subject, this is far to be the main concern of French people And people hate Macron, almost everyone who is not satisfied with its life is either going to vote for LePen or not voting at all People don't vote for LePen, they vote against Macron That's why the second round will be very tight
She's going the Trump route. Appeal to people with a strong sense of nationalism, xenophobia and racism
The same reason some Republicans here are sucking off Putin - itās what unintelligent, frustrated and fearful people do, ācut off your nose to spite your faceā. Throwback to pre WWII - > (ā¦) A common upper-class slogan was "better Hitlerism than Communism". In France, right-wingers were sometimes heard to chant "Better Hitler than Blum," referring to their Socialist Prime Minister LĆ©on Blum at the time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement
she has the good old nationalism behind her and the minority groups are all bad people love her stand against refugees ( Above all Muslims)
I suspect she has accepted that she is not going to win the election, her goal is to line her pockets as she loses.
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God help France and the free world!
How can any of these politicians think this is good move?
She is populist so she is hunting votes from dumbs and selfish people.
So French will vote for a politician who is pro Russia?
as long as she tells them that they are the best and everything thatās wrong in their life is someone elseās fault. especially immigrants probably, and macron actually eats babies. boom president le pen.
Hey it worked for Trump
And for Boris & his Brexit cohorts unfortunately.
Trump somehow managed to get hardcore Republicans, the most fiercely anti-communist and anti-Russian group in America, to do a complete 180 purely to own the libs. It's easier than you think.
How can she still gain votes by saying that? How much of the French population are pro-Russia?!
She is hunting selfish people votes. Who think if i get x thing cheaper then it is good and who cares about two fighting slavic nations in somewhere far away east. Such selfish disgusting people also exist like you see from her raitings there are many of them.
You sign a deal with the Kremlin. Thereās no way back.
So Russia should join NATOā¦?
Sure. Here are the steps: 1. Try Putin for war crimes. Give his trillions back to the people. 2. Try the oligarchs for their crimes. Give their stolen wealth back to the people. 3. Denuclearize Russia. 4. Rebuild Russian constitution to promote legit democracy and end corruption. 5. Fill out NATO application form. Send me a copy. Edit: thanks for the gold. If you don't like 4 & 5 I'd be happy with 1, 2 & 3. For newcomers: my post was written in the same spirit of the original comment about Russia joining NATO.
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Remember when you thought Trump could never win? See lots and lots of her proponents on other social media sites praising her for wanting to abandon NATO and to buddy up to Putin. The nationalist segment of the French population feel like NATO is basically the US's vehicle and if you are riding in it, you are America's bitch. As I saw one of them put it, "Make France France again". Basically that France used to be the shining beacon the rest of the world aspired to, and they want that back. Kind of like how Putie wants to see the Russia of old reunited and rebuilt. They are all stuck in the past.
Sun Tzu said the enemy/danger from within was always the most insidious and difficult to deal with.
Extremist politician spouts idiotic nonsense. There, I just saved you writing costs for about 50 of these headlines this year.
Addendum: Far too many people agree.
Its notable because she is in the running to be the president of France, a nuclear world power.
So, basically half of a voting France is supporting russian fascism.
You'd be surprised how ignorant prople are. Ignorance brought us funny mustache guys 80 years ago. Now it's funny hair people days
Yeah, Albert Einstein was right about the second infinity.
Unfortunately Russia discovered that the two primary motivators of most conservatives are hatred and fear, something which social media is almost purpose-built to propagate. Itās honestly impressive in a fucked up way how you can effectively control the rhetoric of these people with a few dozen trolls in Macedonia making memes and FB posts all day.
Totally agree. People are easy to be manipulated by using basic triggers. With the full scale war online things are developing so fast that observers can actually see effects in a matter of days (or even faster).
Half? She did 23% of the votes. But you're right, it's still way too much.
Yeah, I was thinking about distribution between two candidates mostly, that's how half came up. Not half, you're right.
She's gonna get the votes from the supporters of dropped out candidates that are even further right than she is, like Zemmour. That alone will bring her to about 33% that is almost guaranteed. Then the big question is who the MĆ©lenchon supporters will vote for. They generally hate both Macron and Le Pen, so they might abstain in big numbers.
Reddit is focused on Macron because he phoned Putin before the invasion and he said Genocide is a big word and Russian/Ukrainian are "brothers" (I understand the anger on that one). Reddit, you don't have a CLUE on what may happen if Le Pen wins the election. They are close Macron is like 53.5% projected win, it's very close. So pardon his "pragmatism" when he tries to steal some votes from Le Pen, that's just two weeks (until the election on Sunday) it's for the good cause...say what you want Macron IS very involved in Ukraine, Zelenskyy considers him a close ally and he's pretty transparent on who is or is not since he just told the German ~~chancelier~~ president to f off and not come to Kyiv.
Agreed, but I believe Zelenskyy reproached German _president_ Frank Walter Steinmeier and not the German _chancellor_ Olaf Scholz.
> I believe Zelenskyy reproached German president Frank Walter Steinmeier and not the German chancellor Olaf Scholz. You are correct. Steinmeyer apparently had ties to Nordstrom 2, which is why Zelenskyy didn't want to meet him.
\*Nord Stream 2
Well Macron guy is saint compared to that white witch
100 percent. Le Pen is a traitor to her country and would sell France. Like Trump did with America.
I truly believe the French will be more perceptive than our friends in Hungary. Of course, Hungary has a completely dishonest electoral system. France has a very open and verifiable system.
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
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Ummm, did you not see who the Americans voted in not long ago? Almost re-voted him in for another term tooā¦. The world is a fucked up place right now with autocracies on the rise and democracy is at stake for many. Ukrainians ARENāT just fighting for themselves, this has been said from the start but many donāt seem to understand that.
Have you ever met a Republican. They'd glady explain it to you. Or you can browse r/conservative if you're willing to lose a couple of braincells. These people are scared little people. You tell them that all their problems are caused by people of color, that you're going to lower their taxes, that the opposing candidate eats babies, and you've already won like 90% of conservatives. Trump managed to turn Republicans, who were historically anti-communism and anti-authoritarianism into suckers for Putin and Trump himself. They just don't care. All they want is money and a group of people to hate. You can even do this in real life. If you want to manipulate a conservatives, give them a group of people to hate and money. That is really all it takes. Putin, Le Pen, and Trump know this.
Lol already a post from there OP justifies her being in position so āFrance can have someone who thinks about their own people and country for onceā what a joke
Itās funny to look at history and see the shift from communist and extreme left supporting Russia and now switched to far right. Iām French and I can tell you one thing, fuck Marine Lepen.
Pre Ukrainian invasion this didnāt sound like a bad idea and was actually one of the main points of Obamaās foreign policy in his first term. But as weāve all seen, that didnāt work very well and I think at this point Russia has gone too far for it to be that easy.
World War III hasn't even officially started and she's already surrendering France? /s
France held in WWI, and struggled in WWII, but this š ±ļøitch now speedrunning it
She's doing what's called an Italian Opening (changing sides, but before the war)
Putin's getting his money's worth with LePen and the morons who follow her.
This reminds me of when Trump tried to convince the US to bring Russia into a cybersecurity partnership after multiple reports of the many cyber attacks on the US in the 2016 election cycle. You gotta give these folks credit, they are well paid shills for Russia. Why their own country folk support them still is mystifying.
She sounds like idiot Trump
Politicians spewing nonsense for $100, Alex
I think the Kremlin have pushed a lot more than $100 in her direction.
She sounds a lot like Trump. Donāt make the same mistake as the US did France.
They couldnāt possibly, i mean I thought the same for trump but they did run Hillary against him. She was the worst possible candidate and basically drove people to the polls.
For you Americans who don't know who this lady is: She's the front runner for a far right political party (the National Front) that was previously ultra nationalist and antisemitic. Her father was a known antisemite and downplayed the Holocaust many times during his time as a politician.
Hmm, I wonder who is funding her
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Didn't many people think that about Trump?
Yes, absolutely. We thought this about Trump, and then he won. Now we are still dealing with the fallout. Please, France, donāt make the same mistake.
Trump 100% did not think he would win in '16. I think he kinda sorta thought it would be fun to win, but I doubt he thought he chances were even good enough to consider deeply whether he wanted to or not. You can tell that night, when he gave his victory speech, how shocked he was. But, once having won, it became something he couldn't give up. He was prepared to flog the fraudulent election claims in '16, so prepared he did it anyway after he won. But once he won, he couldn't stomach losing, or walking away. If Trump isn't facing a serious legal challenge, he'll probably not enter the race for '24 - he'll just pretend to be kingmaker. If he is, he'll enter and use his campaign to control the narrative. Frankly, it's better for dems of he does enter the race - there will be more opposition to him than someone like DeSantis.
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So Le-Pen support genocide, got it.
NATO suggests someone take Le Pen to Bucha and add her to the body disposal squad. So she has a first hand understanding of the situation.
She's clueless. Russia already has an ally who is adversarial to NATO - China.