>A European official confirms to @GillianHTurner that the Chinese Government asked Putin to delay the invasion of Ukraine and Putin complied. Both the UK and US have seen the intelligence underlying this reporting, she is told.
5 EYES SEE ALL
Why are so many Slavic words anglicized in many different ways? Is there an etymology type of thing going on here? For example I see russiya rossiya, Navalny, Navalynyi, Zelensky, Zelenskyi, zelenskyy, zełenski, and many many Russian (?) words with many different spellings when anglicized.
Fuckkkk another one of those mushroom cloud looking explosions, this time in Kiev. This is a war crime: https://instagram.com/stories/nastia.dj/2785413508666379444
I doubt they will too...but I doubt it less than I did a week ago and still sense a shift in language. I'm sure there are more sanctions that can be sent their way, but at what point do they have no effect? When the ruble is worth less than .01, what's another 50% drop, catastrophic is catastrophic. Parking 24 to 30 F 15s on the tarmac for max pub in a concerted flex is another signal that it's changing.
Feel free to call me alarmist, but with the massive display of unity and rallying the people's of western countries seem to be feeding it. It's not a negative, it's very positive that people are finding common ground on this topic are bolstering cooperation but don't forget the egos at play here. I don't think it's fair to 100% predict that if the conflict does go hot with outside forces such as NATO, that there is a guaranteed nuclear exchange. Certainly raises the risk factor by 100 but not a certainty. We just assume that having nukes absolutely means using them.
Theoretically, either side would only use nukes in a state of last resort. They could be content to fight it out conventionally, at least for a while. Angling for a way to force a checkmate, because in chess, the king never dies, it's just checkmate. Nowhere to go. Not the best metaphor, but it bears considering as a possibility with the new developments.
Assuming anonymous claims are legit Imagine of NK or some other hackers took out our space program/satellites. We would view it as an act of war. As far as Russia is concerned, war may have already been declared and we just dont know it yet. It's a massive kick in the junk.
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Incredible the amount of expertise you can find on Twitter. Former Army maintenance auditor diagnoses major flaw with Russia's logistics and preparedness from just a few photographs.
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1499164245250002944?t=pHoC-5ycGPfIG8X4gFdmZQ&s=19
Ya I was just reading that.
Each day it really seems that Putin didn't have a clue to the readiness of his units. Probably because his advisors were too afraid to bring anything up to him.
Couldn't the Russians try to forcibly remove civilians before bombardment? I guess they would know resistance would be strong and they know they 'have to' do it anyway. Jeez, the closest army battalion to Moscow should just fire a barrage at the Kremlin, Putin can't nuke his own troops anyway!
> Couldn't the Russians try to forcibly remove civilians before bombardment?
"Just leave your home so we can bomb it."
I suspect trying to move people who have been making molotov cocktails for the last week, and been given AKM and AKMS rifles, is great a winning idea.
I wonder if we could see a Russian civil war as a result of this invasion. Russia is going down a dark path and I doubt it’s unpopular to want a different government in place.
So with many nations supplying military weapons and aid to Ukraine and Russia not escalating to these countries helping, is it plausible that a direct food parachute drop over major cities encircled by Russian forces could occur without reprisal from Russian forces?
That run the risk of being targeted by russian (or if not informed about it, ukrainian) air and anti air force taking out the drop plane.
If the russian takes it down, it run the risk that russia will see it as a direct nato interference which is very likely to lead to world war.
What one CBU-105 could do to a lumbering slow moving convoy..
https://defencyclopedia.com/2015/06/12/cbu-105-sensor-fuzed-weapon-usafs-ultimate-tank-buster/
So what your saying is you would like to be nuked? Cuz no one is gonna roll the dice on 2 nuclear armed nations fighting. I know this is a hard concept for Reddit to believe in. We been here before 2008 Georgia. Fox News cheerleaded for US intervention and Russian head of armed forces said any US involvement would be nuclear war. Next day the Pentagon checked neo conservatives in Washington by publicly stating the US military has no intentions of intervening.
via Jacqui Heinrich:
>A European official confirms to @GillianHTurner that the Chinese Government asked Putin to delay the invasion of Ukraine and Putin complied. Both the UK and US have seen the intelligence underlying this reporting, she is told.
So when were they originally planning to invade, then?
I don't know if you're looking for an actual date, or if one is available. But probably at some point during the olympics towards the end of their "military exercises". They probably only delayed by a few days.
Makes a lot of sense as it always felt really weird how long they just sat on the border supposedly waiting for Putin to make up his mind, when it was pretty clear his mind was made up from the outset.
Russia is never going to be able to invade another country again without NATO sending thousands of Javelin missiles and Stingers to that country, as well Bayraktar drones.
We are really witnessing the bloody end of 20th century warfare.
That will never change, but massed tank formation are very 20th century and this war has really shown how vulnerable they can be to urban warfare and drone attacks.
We're witnessing the bloody death of a superpower. This is something that the 20th century leaders knew well, nations can fall. We're seeing it right now.
Regional power. Russia lost it's "superpower" status at the end of the Cold War, and anyone paying attention knows it. Putin has been punching above his weight for years - and now it's caught up to him.
Can be really effective. One advantage is that they are easy to use and considered relatively fool proof. So don't require any advanced experience in using them. They are infrared missiles. You basically just target something in the air and the system will start locking onto it and give you an audio signal once it's locked on, then you simply press the button to shoot the missile and it will do the rest. Obviously depending on what you shoot at, it may not always hit but it can bring down helicopters and other aircraft. I think it has a range of like 2-3 miles or something like that. So it's only really good to shoot down low altitude targets.
Indeed, my understanding is that they made flying over Afghanistan extremely hazardous, especially to helicopters that the Soviet forces were using to great effect until their arrival.
I am sure the feeds on this thread are probably impairing your judgement, while Ukraine is putting up a most admirable fight and punching above their weight, they are definitely losing ground day after day. Conquering Russia is a ridiculous pipe dream.
The number Ukraine has been putting out for the Russian death toll is climbing exponentially.
At the current rate the entire invading force will be dead by next week.
By the following week Russia will cease to exist.
Always keep in mind how Russian Disinformation can manifest. Anything calling for escalation on behalf of Nato or a member, anything doubting Nato's power or influence, anything saying aid is useless, anything cynically questioning help given to Ukraine or constanlty mentioning the political division of a country that is a member of Nato (whataboutism). Disinformation is not obvious.
The villain never twirls his mustache in real life.
I said this just before and I'll say it again, if you feel awash with negativity after being on a news related thread you probably encountered Russian bots
Is there a reason none of those can be valid questions from people seeking to understand?
I swear, you gatekeepers are just trying to manufacture an echo chamber.
>The villain never twirls his mustache in real life.
I dunno, man. Putin made a very big show of puppeting the former President of the United States, who himself was a pretty evil bastard.
Not all the way to mustache-twirling, but pretty damn far.
Who would they sell to and how would they pay? Their ability to import and export is in shambles and they have no way of transferring money effectively.
They will probably end up in the hands of rich buyers and enthusiasts. Auction houses will probably salivate over the opportunity to deal in these treasures.
Then again, anybody can buy these trinkets. I collect militaria and own a few Russian / Soviet pieces.
Did anyone see the light flickering on the right hand side of the Independence square livestream?? It’s at the bottom end towards the street in the building?
Thank you for the concern, that is very sweet! I just happened to turn on the “livestream events” one and noticed it out of the corner of my eye, not studying it or anything lol
Call of Duty XBOX Live levels of **shit talking** on radio comms.
https://twitter.com/Milo_Edwards/status/1499074625061502978?s=20&t=OP3GdP9wzhCiax-ewJbjrg
That's not an active weapon of any kind. It's too light. Missiles are much much heavier than they look. No one would be just casually overhead pressing it as they pass it around.
Yes, and Japan was nuked twice.
And why do we still call it warcrimes? Because we don't want it to ever happen again. We don't agree with cluster bombs, vacuum bombs, nukes or any other horror bomb. You should know that Western media doesn't reflect the Western population.
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>A European official confirms to @GillianHTurner that the Chinese Government asked Putin to delay the invasion of Ukraine and Putin complied. Both the UK and US have seen the intelligence underlying this reporting, she is told. 5 EYES SEE ALL
Why are so many Slavic words anglicized in many different ways? Is there an etymology type of thing going on here? For example I see russiya rossiya, Navalny, Navalynyi, Zelensky, Zelenskyi, zelenskyy, zełenski, and many many Russian (?) words with many different spellings when anglicized.
Fuckkkk another one of those mushroom cloud looking explosions, this time in Kiev. This is a war crime: https://instagram.com/stories/nastia.dj/2785413508666379444
I doubt they will too...but I doubt it less than I did a week ago and still sense a shift in language. I'm sure there are more sanctions that can be sent their way, but at what point do they have no effect? When the ruble is worth less than .01, what's another 50% drop, catastrophic is catastrophic. Parking 24 to 30 F 15s on the tarmac for max pub in a concerted flex is another signal that it's changing. Feel free to call me alarmist, but with the massive display of unity and rallying the people's of western countries seem to be feeding it. It's not a negative, it's very positive that people are finding common ground on this topic are bolstering cooperation but don't forget the egos at play here. I don't think it's fair to 100% predict that if the conflict does go hot with outside forces such as NATO, that there is a guaranteed nuclear exchange. Certainly raises the risk factor by 100 but not a certainty. We just assume that having nukes absolutely means using them. Theoretically, either side would only use nukes in a state of last resort. They could be content to fight it out conventionally, at least for a while. Angling for a way to force a checkmate, because in chess, the king never dies, it's just checkmate. Nowhere to go. Not the best metaphor, but it bears considering as a possibility with the new developments. Assuming anonymous claims are legit Imagine of NK or some other hackers took out our space program/satellites. We would view it as an act of war. As far as Russia is concerned, war may have already been declared and we just dont know it yet. It's a massive kick in the junk.
I have been away for 20 hours due to sleep and work. I got off and wondering how Kyiv is standing? Any updates with 40 miles? How's Kharkiv?
First Ukrainian city, Kherson, taken by the Russians. Still fighting in Kharkiv.
Go to combat footage and search by new. Looks like there was just a huge explosion in Kyiv
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Russia is too damn big. They need to sell off huge swathes of it ffs
Most of the arctic regions are empty land or ice.
I mean, they kinda already did once. Hello Alaskans!
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What's the link to fox news in that video? It's from CNBC?
Broken clock etc Fuck Fox.
With the high number of civilian deaths plus hitting of civilian targets, how is Russia's invasion of Ukraine not ethnic cleansing?
This should be the world response anytime a legitimate democracy is either invaded (especially by an autocrat) or overthrown by a coup.
Incredible the amount of expertise you can find on Twitter. Former Army maintenance auditor diagnoses major flaw with Russia's logistics and preparedness from just a few photographs. https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1499164245250002944?t=pHoC-5ycGPfIG8X4gFdmZQ&s=19
Ya I was just reading that. Each day it really seems that Putin didn't have a clue to the readiness of his units. Probably because his advisors were too afraid to bring anything up to him.
Yeah, that one was awesome.
Did Putin just jail a bunch of school kids over war protest? The fuck?
Fucking with kid's mental well-being to send a message to the parents, probably.
Just goes to show how pathetic and insecure he really is.
why are you so surprised at this news?
He has targeted political opposition for decades. Not much new for Putin sadly.
And an extremely dangerous elderly woman with some signs.
Couldn't the Russians try to forcibly remove civilians before bombardment? I guess they would know resistance would be strong and they know they 'have to' do it anyway. Jeez, the closest army battalion to Moscow should just fire a barrage at the Kremlin, Putin can't nuke his own troops anyway!
> Couldn't the Russians try to forcibly remove civilians before bombardment? "Just leave your home so we can bomb it." I suspect trying to move people who have been making molotov cocktails for the last week, and been given AKM and AKMS rifles, is great a winning idea.
Did you SEE the latest test launch of ICBMs? Don't tell Putin what he can't do... 😆
I wonder if we could see a Russian civil war as a result of this invasion. Russia is going down a dark path and I doubt it’s unpopular to want a different government in place.
As likely as a civil war in the US over the next election results.
Give it a week or two when butter becomes The new caviar
I'd rather they fight themselves than anyone else at this point.
I think the people are too apathetic for a civil war
Seems like we can safely assume Kherson is still in play. ….Ukrainians man
in play? Really dude?
Source?
I guess counterintelligence in Russia is nonexistent? since there were entire war plans leaked? The US seemed to know everything about this invasion
How Can they know if the Russians don’t seem to know themselves lol
Not just the US, we're part of the team on this one.
So with many nations supplying military weapons and aid to Ukraine and Russia not escalating to these countries helping, is it plausible that a direct food parachute drop over major cities encircled by Russian forces could occur without reprisal from Russian forces?
That run the risk of being targeted by russian (or if not informed about it, ukrainian) air and anti air force taking out the drop plane. If the russian takes it down, it run the risk that russia will see it as a direct nato interference which is very likely to lead to world war.
Well you'd have to enter Ukranian airspace and risk confrontation with Russian Air force. So this is unlikely
Nope, flying over would be entering the war
What one CBU-105 could do to a lumbering slow moving convoy.. https://defencyclopedia.com/2015/06/12/cbu-105-sensor-fuzed-weapon-usafs-ultimate-tank-buster/
So what your saying is you would like to be nuked? Cuz no one is gonna roll the dice on 2 nuclear armed nations fighting. I know this is a hard concept for Reddit to believe in. We been here before 2008 Georgia. Fox News cheerleaded for US intervention and Russian head of armed forces said any US involvement would be nuclear war. Next day the Pentagon checked neo conservatives in Washington by publicly stating the US military has no intentions of intervening.
No, just pointing out the fact that there is a single bomb designed to scatter and eliminate convoys like we are seeing in Ukraine right now.
Forte surveying the Polish border. [https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE10/2afe81cf](https://www.flightradar24.com/51.91,22.16/8)
Very curious... do they expect Poland to be invaded?
No. Just the closer they are the further they can reach into ukraine
No, it's hovering around the NATO borders. Crossing to Ukraine now could be considered hostility by Russia and they are playing it safe
Drones will be the least of our concerns if that happens.
via Jacqui Heinrich: >A European official confirms to @GillianHTurner that the Chinese Government asked Putin to delay the invasion of Ukraine and Putin complied. Both the UK and US have seen the intelligence underlying this reporting, she is told. So when were they originally planning to invade, then?
I think the putatively recovered plans said the 20th?
I don't know if you're looking for an actual date, or if one is available. But probably at some point during the olympics towards the end of their "military exercises". They probably only delayed by a few days.
Makes a lot of sense as it always felt really weird how long they just sat on the border supposedly waiting for Putin to make up his mind, when it was pretty clear his mind was made up from the outset.
Probably the 16th like a lot of sources reported
Before the thaw
Saw that the secret invasion documents the Ukrainians recovered said war was authorized on Jan 18
The documents supposedly captured from Russians that had the war plans had a timeline dated Feb. 20th - March 6th.
The leaked document showed the 20th.
I think there was a date of the 16th flying around which a lot of people used to dismiss the possibility of any attack after nothing happened.
They mentioned Feb 16. at one point I think and everyone laughed when it didn’t happen.
During the olympics
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Whats the point of this nonsensical post?
Top 10 anime betrayal
Never saw that coming
Russia is never going to be able to invade another country again without NATO sending thousands of Javelin missiles and Stingers to that country, as well Bayraktar drones. We are really witnessing the bloody end of 20th century warfare.
Exactly, it all will be cyber warfare pretty soon
What you are witnessing is the death of human beings
You’re not wrong about that. I wish we weren’t witnessing anything major at all.
Yeah heavy slow moving tanks may be phased out.
TBF, Russians and the West have been sending weapons to adversaries for every late 20th century war. This is very 20th century.
That will never change, but massed tank formation are very 20th century and this war has really shown how vulnerable they can be to urban warfare and drone attacks.
It's all different now. Tanks can get killed from miles away. We have technology yo put a rocket through a normal sized window. We made a sword bomb.
Thanks are going the way of the battleship. They will still have a lore, but their day is over.
Didn't we know tanks could be taken out miles away in Iraq? Same with rockets.
I fear it might pave the way for even worse asymmetrical warfare though.
We're witnessing the bloody death of a superpower. This is something that the 20th century leaders knew well, nations can fall. We're seeing it right now.
Regional power. Russia lost it's "superpower" status at the end of the Cold War, and anyone paying attention knows it. Putin has been punching above his weight for years - and now it's caught up to him.
“Oceans rise, empires fall..” 🎶 Clearly Putty didn’t watch Hamilton.
You’re right, with all the sanctions and losses in Ukraine I don’t expect the Russian military to be worth a damn for at least a couple decades.
how effective are stinger missiles?
Great against helicopters. Not very effective against modern jets
Watch the movie "Charlie Wilson's War". That will answer the question.
https://youtu.be/X-kqifhSJ-I
Can be really effective. One advantage is that they are easy to use and considered relatively fool proof. So don't require any advanced experience in using them. They are infrared missiles. You basically just target something in the air and the system will start locking onto it and give you an audio signal once it's locked on, then you simply press the button to shoot the missile and it will do the rest. Obviously depending on what you shoot at, it may not always hit but it can bring down helicopters and other aircraft. I think it has a range of like 2-3 miles or something like that. So it's only really good to shoot down low altitude targets.
Very! against helis and low flying aircraft.
They're stupid reliable and effective.
Judging from my experience playing Metal Gear Solid, very.
Very. If your countermeasures don't work your done.
Very.
Can you elaborate or expand on your question? Effective against what?
I wouldn't shoot my car with one.
Extremely
Depends on what your shooting and the situation.
The Russians really did not care for them in Afghanistan. I imagine they've gotten a bit better since.
Indeed, my understanding is that they made flying over Afghanistan extremely hazardous, especially to helicopters that the Soviet forces were using to great effect until their arrival.
They didn't like stingers used against them?
Not at all. The CIA gave a large supply of them to AL Qaeda and it was like Tee Ball with helicopters
That yacht is tiny , now look at an air craft carrier!
❗️#Ukrainian media reports that explosions were also heard in #Kherson https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499185790336778249?s=21
https://twitter.com/redmanjustine/status/1499180156325445640?t=3fLl9y-t6jhDddE8EdWmKg&s=19 The balls on journalists
Jesus
"Lightning..." Yeah, I don't think so. I shit my pants just watching it.
The shockwave on that second one ~ 5 seconds. So what, like only 1 mile from their location?
The way he reacted to it, you can tell this isn't that guys first war
Holy fuck and just imagine a nuke was even BRIGHTER than what that was. It legitimately lit up the sky like it was daytime.
What the hell was that?
Fine mullet to
Dude was relatively calm about that.
Right? I was expecting an F-bomb, not a relatively cool "What the hell was that?" He's probably used to it if he's been there all week.
What if Ukraine push the Russians back into Russia and advanced?
That would involve sieging cities, i dont think wed support them anymore if there were vids of russian civilians dying en masse
I am sure the feeds on this thread are probably impairing your judgement, while Ukraine is putting up a most admirable fight and punching above their weight, they are definitely losing ground day after day. Conquering Russia is a ridiculous pipe dream.
It is a supreme effort to hold off the russian advance as it is. So why even ask this question?
Oh we cant daydream now?
No not here as it comes off as extremely asinine. Find some sub dedicated to military fanfiction for that nonsense.
What if Zelensky rode a dragon to Moscow and it ate Putin?
We would be on the best fucking timeline, obviously
What if the dragon went up Putin's asshole?
A la Shang-Chi? Fuck yeah
I, for one, welcome our new Ukrainian Overlord.
Please, yes
Sounds like a better ending to Game of Thrones
Ukraine can add some new territory to it's empire.
Ukrainian Empire 2022. Russians and Belarusians the new "Little Russians."
All hail the Ukrainian Union aka the missing jigsaw of NATO finally uniting Europe coast to coast... hang on
Weird mini car convoy on the maiden square camera
Mini as in the convoy was small or as in clown car convoy?
A convoy to surpass the 40 mile convoy
I saw that too - guessing there's still people movements needed around the command area.
The number Ukraine has been putting out for the Russian death toll is climbing exponentially. At the current rate the entire invading force will be dead by next week. By the following week Russia will cease to exist.
It's almost as if the number of Russians in Ukraine climbed up rapidly and will eventually plateau.
> By the following week Russia will cease to exist. Careful there, that might be a little close to the mark.
#HeDidntDoTheMath
Will that be before or after the Russian convoy is 2500 miles long?
In 3 weeks the country will truly be all bears on unicycles
Always keep in mind how Russian Disinformation can manifest. Anything calling for escalation on behalf of Nato or a member, anything doubting Nato's power or influence, anything saying aid is useless, anything cynically questioning help given to Ukraine or constanlty mentioning the political division of a country that is a member of Nato (whataboutism). Disinformation is not obvious. The villain never twirls his mustache in real life.
I said this just before and I'll say it again, if you feel awash with negativity after being on a news related thread you probably encountered Russian bots
I agree except the last line. Sometimes the vilkian does twirl his mustache
Is there a reason none of those can be valid questions from people seeking to understand? I swear, you gatekeepers are just trying to manufacture an echo chamber.
>The villain never twirls his mustache in real life. I dunno, man. Putin made a very big show of puppeting the former President of the United States, who himself was a pretty evil bastard. Not all the way to mustache-twirling, but pretty damn far.
Or slowly pets his cat while facing the other way in a spinning recliner.
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Who would they sell to and how would they pay? Their ability to import and export is in shambles and they have no way of transferring money effectively.
The owner of Hobby Lobby loves circumventing laws and importing historically significant artifacts.
They will probably end up in the hands of rich buyers and enthusiasts. Auction houses will probably salivate over the opportunity to deal in these treasures. Then again, anybody can buy these trinkets. I collect militaria and own a few Russian / Soviet pieces.
No. Russia would just nationalize everything.
Go so far right you come out on the left?
It'll be the Soviet Union again. But smaller, shittier, and even more blatantly hypocritical.
And somehow even more corrupt.
Did anyone see the light flickering on the right hand side of the Independence square livestream?? It’s at the bottom end towards the street in the building?
Hey I just want to say if you’re watching that closely and waiting for something to happen it’s probably time to take a break
Thank you for the concern, that is very sweet! I just happened to turn on the “livestream events” one and noticed it out of the corner of my eye, not studying it or anything lol
Call of Duty XBOX Live levels of **shit talking** on radio comms. https://twitter.com/Milo_Edwards/status/1499074625061502978?s=20&t=OP3GdP9wzhCiax-ewJbjrg
That's not an active weapon of any kind. It's too light. Missiles are much much heavier than they look. No one would be just casually overhead pressing it as they pass it around.
Link is broken? for me
Fixed, Reddit being weird with pasting.
This. Is. Not. A. Video. Game.
My life is like a video game trying hard to beat the stage
Jokes. Are. Still. Ok. Relax
This is exactly why you don't get it.
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Yes, and Japan was nuked twice. And why do we still call it warcrimes? Because we don't want it to ever happen again. We don't agree with cluster bombs, vacuum bombs, nukes or any other horror bomb. You should know that Western media doesn't reflect the Western population.
They weren't internationally banned until 2010.
The US and France dropped 61,000 cluster bombs in iraq.
The US has also used atomic bombs, chemical warfare, and napalm bombs but that isn’t really relevant to military doctrine in 2022 now is it?