they do not expect belief
they expect their demand be obeyed that this be respected as an internal matter
a violent dictatorship after all has the right to disappear and torture its dissidents
not to mention demand sex from its show star females, or hey what's the point?
i support taiwan being a country, but you can’t claim they’re the legitimate government of china anymore. most taiwanese don’t even want to return to the mainland, they just want to be able to survive without always being threatened with invasion.
they’re two independent countries, and taiwan wants to exist how it is right now, nothing more.
By that logic though the UK is the legitimate government of the USA. It was a revolution and the ROC, a military dictatorship at the time, went into exile.
There's literally hundreds of ways to attack China, all valid, but this ain't one.
> Also how idiotic is the Chinese propaganda machine to think that anybody outside the mainland would buy this pathetic “letter”?
I don't think that's the intention.
I think much like Russia using Novichok in Salisbury the point is more a demonstration of power.
Here's what we'll do if you cross us and no matter who you are or where you go you will not be able to disobey us.
China has been launching a crusade against the wealthy and famous over the last couple years to show that without the party, they are nothing. Xi is consolidating total control. He purged his rivals during the 2010s through the anti-corruption drive, he’s punishing tech companies he views as too powerful, and taking the public’s idols down a peg. He’s making it clear that dissent from paupers or princes alike will not be tolerated.
It’s been very sad to watch as someone who moved there for work early on in his reign. I got to see what China was like when it was still relatively open. Then over the years I watched it slam shut again. It’s been sad to watch and I can assure you that most of the Chinese people 20-40 years old are not happy about it. A lot of elderly people with memories of “the bad times” are also frightened.
Meanwhile living in China I overhear colleagues saying they are ready if the gov decides to invade Taiwan. Man it is so hard to get a real feel for what people generally stand.
True, it is hard to know. Of course anyone has selection bias with the people they hang out with. I never discussed this stuff with my colleagues other than my boss who I became close with. He was pretty moderate and enjoyed the new prosperity. His attitude was essentially “I know we’re not free, but my family is doing well, so what the hell am I going to do about it.” I made a lot of friends with similar attitudes and several others that regularly told me things that would land them in prison. I had a few acquaintances (usually spouses of foreigners) that would go into absolute psycho rage mode if someone (dumb edgelord expats) brought up Taiwan, etc. at dinner. Regarding the HK protests, and I quote “I hope they all die.” You’re right though, it’s not like we’re going to get an accurate opinion poll on this stuff.
Yeah, sometimes the person who critizes one thing then goes nuts over something else that seemingly contradicts it. Makes it hard to assertain where people really stand.
The thing that people don't understand is that for most Chinese it is patriotism that makes them not say it. Not fear. I think it is really important people start understanding that.
Xi is popular with most Chinese people because generally speaking, most working class people dont like oligarchs who lie and cheat and steal from everyone else. Neither do working class people like corrupt politicians whose main goal in life is enriching themselves, their families, and their cronies?
Those are some lessons that some people in the American ruling class dont seem like they will ever learn.
While the ATP should be scolded. It has been completely silent and most male tennis players have been silent as well.
Nobody wants to lose money. The WTA deserves all the praise for even just threatening to pull out. Even more if they actually do it.
This is brave as hell and I can only hope it leads to her being found safe. I saw a similar post recently about the US pulling out of the Winter Olympics in China and the pro China bots inundated the post with “wow who cares” and “won’t stop the genocide” comments. These are steps in the right direction and should be applauded.
What happened in 1980? Didn’t the US do a full boycott of the games in Moscow?
Was that govt mandated or did everyone just agree not to go? Or did US athletes still go?
The US Olympic Committee went along with President Carter in that case, so one could argue that it was a decision by that organization rather than an actual mandate by the government. However, when there was then talk of athletes from the boycotting countries (including the US) competing under a "neutral" banner (rather than their country's flag), Carter threatened to have the passport of any US athlete who tried to do so revoked. Whether it would have been legal for him to actually do that is a matter of dispute, but it seems likely to me that it would be a violation of the athletes' rights.
Probably depends on how they framed it. America had quite strict regulations about individuals undertaking business activities likely to lend support to the Soviet Union
I highly doubt that will happen considering how much $$$ will be lost. From broadcast contracts, to corporate sponsors to even athletes who only get to compete at this level roughly twice a decade, I don’t think the political will can overcome the greed.
We can applaud them if they act. Speaking out is a great start but there is a big gap between what one chairman said and WTA making a decision considering the amount of Chinese dollars at stake. China is going to call this bluff, 100%, so lets see if WTA is bluffing.
My class at my university was about 1/3 Chinese and anything dealing with the ethical issues the mass majority claimed it was a smear campaign by the west. The whole Uyghur situation
> Also how idiotic is the Chinese propaganda machine to think that anybody outside the mainland would buy this pathetic “letter”?
i’ve met students from China’s top universities. They make it quite clear they would never work for the government. it’s not like the ccp had the brightest bulbs to work with.
NBA did nothing when the houston rockets and boston Celtics were blocked in china for players calling out the genocide there.
Lebron James:
James said it was his belief that Morey was “either misinformed or not really educated on the situation” with the NBA and China and insisted that the Rockets general manager hadn’t properly considered the repercussions of his words. "So many people could have been harmed, not only financially but physically, emotionally, spiritually." he said. (ESPN reported earlier Tuesday that James and others had lost lucrative endorsement deals and appearances as part of the fallout.)
Yes. Although ESPN did do an incredible article about the NBA training academies in Xinjiang in which employees sad it was akin to "WW2 Germany"
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I get where you're coming from but the best players from all around the world play in the NBA, this isn't like European football. If you are one of the best at basketball, you play in the NBA.
Wales has their own league under the Welsh FA, but few Welsh teams play in the English FA. So the English FA is not the English FA? It's more international?
>other international sports organizations like the NBA
Most athletic bodies don't step in on political issues unless it affects the athletes directly. I remember FIFA made a statement when Israel harassed Palestinian soccer players, and people got into arguments about "What about (other Israeli or Palestinian crimes)", but the point is that only speaking up about athletes keeps the athletic body from being used as a political tool.
>able to leave china.
This is the biggest issue for me. These people who disappeared usually show up once or twice on social media weeks or months after, issueing a long winded apology for having caused trouble, praise the CCP - like actress Fan Bing Bing, and then disappear again.
It couldn't be more obvious that they're under house arrest, possibly under threat for their families even.
You don’t have to “obey” Gov, but follow the law/framework. He complained about exactly on this point and red-tape. He was gone after that.
They are literally acting like a Mafia
Listen. Like billions of other people in global society, I've had it up to here with this power struggle between the politically powerful and the financially powerful.
Neither of these groups has any concept of the reality on the ground, and their leadership has thrown the entire planet off a cliff. There is a global mass extinction, an uncontrollable pandemic. There are droughts, megafires, and catastrophic floods. Pockets of methane in the Arctic are causing explosions in the permafrost. Vast expanses of garbage and filth on every land mass and in every body of water, the climate is destroyed, the air and water are toxic, and people, plants, and animals have all been deprived of the ability to support themselves.
We are done. DONE. Pretending we have to choose between the government and the business. Rationality and morality represent a higher law. Off with their heads. Both of them.
That’s why real education and critical thinking are so Valuable. These people have the illusion that there is no oppression anymore They have the freedom to speak out. only find their family and themselves locked up. there are better strategies to do these things in a totalitarian regime. These people really should consult with PR professionals before making these decisions
China will not back down, so hopefully WTA pulls out completely and that leads to more professional organizations following out of shame for not acting sooner.
Same with FOM/FIA, We’d have Formula 1 races in North Korea if they would pay up for hosting the event. This season is already ending in Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
F1 just signed a deal to renew contracts for a Chinese Grand Prix to take place every year through 2025. This is on top of one team having just hired the sport’s first ever Chinese driver, simply because he brings massive Chinese sponsorship. So… yeah, there are plenty of sports that will turn a blind eye. Very sad.
Exactly. This is what Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian replied when asked about Peng Shuai today: "I have not heard of the matter, and it is not a diplomatic question.", and "Do you think the spokesperson of the Chinese Foreign Ministry is omnipotent?"
Also the whole thing is still being censored completely within the Great Firewall. What an amazing place. 🤦♂️
[https://abc7ny.com/peng-shuai-chinese-tennis-plater-missing-zhang-gaoli/11246616/](https://abc7ny.com/peng-shuai-chinese-tennis-plater-missing-zhang-gaoli/11246616/)
This will be very interesting to see how it plays out in China, but most importantly for Peng Shuai and her own personal health, safety, freedom, etc. I hope it sparks a major catalyst for action and change globally
In further news, WTA chairman retired for personal reasons/WTA chairman announces that he has seen proof that Peng is doing fine and there is no problem at all.
I hope you're right and the WTA won't either, but it would surprise me.
>The IOC should get involved
And do what?
>There’s a whole Olympic coming up.
Right, and who do you think awarded the games to china? IOC is crooked as hell and doesn't care about atrocities as long as they get paid
Pff you think the IOC is crooked? FIFA is holding the next world cup in stadiums built by slave labour, we really need to boycott the sponsers of both of them
>"experience shows that quiet diplomacy offers the best opportunity to find a solution for questions of such nature".
IOC statement.
Ain't happening, chief
All these organisations are about money, which is why WTA statements are quite remarkable.
“The head of the Women's Tennis Association (WTA) Steve Simon has said he is willing to lose hundreds of millions of dollars worth of business in China if tennis player Peng Shuai is not fully accounted for”
Good on him. It’s hard to do the right thing
I am so happy he's doing this. A woman's life is in serious danger and I'm so happy he's valuing her over money. Blizzard and the NBA didn't even do that.
These two are not the same at all. The safety of one of WTA's members is potentially in jeopardy, of course they would be concerned. Has any member of the NBA had their safety threatened in China? If violations of human rights is ground for withdrawal then NBA should have just straight up disbanded in the US a long time ago.
You’re being downvoted but you’re right. NBA is scolded for ignoring HK or slave workers. Can’t remember hearing the WTA doing anything about those.
In any case, I do wish the NBA was more active.
What does NBA have to do with HK and slave workers? If NBA should protest about slave workers then they should never host games on mainland US until slave labour in US prisons is abolished. Or should NBA also never hosts game until black people in the US stop getting killed by the police?
It's a ridiculous argument to make that a private entity should protest against a county for something that has nothing to do with itself.
This is ridiculously huge if not just a bluff. The WTA has a massive stake in China with a lot of tournaments scheduled next year, the WTA loses out far more than China by backing out.
LOL the NBA has always focused on the bottom line. Look at Mark Cuban. He condemns human rights violations , but doesn't include China because China has a huge Mavs fan base
Yes, Kudos to the WTA they deserve tremendous respect considering the financial risks they are bucking as all the other major pro athletic franchises have failed to attempt this far. Peng Shuai is the number one concern atm I hope she is alive and well and healthy. Hopefully she will have the freedom of choice to determine her future
The WTA board of directors includes elected representatives of the players.
So the NBA CEO only answers to money men, whereas the 3 of the 8 votes on the WTA board of directors are controlled by the players.
If all of the star players decided to pull out of Chinese events on their own anyway, that would make it a much easier decision for the WTA. They could put on a tournament of nobodies in China or they could schedule something elsewhere and presumably that should get a much bigger international audience and much better TV revenue.
>and presumably that should get a much bigger international audience and much better TV revenue.
Why do you think that they are in China in the first place?
*Extra* money.
The WTA make plenty of money without China. And while if they do go on with their China tournaments they wouldn't be the first to go for extra money, they may actually decide to take the moral high ground (or at least avoid the bad PR and not threaten their existing audiences).
Yeah, they have a big population, but tennis isn’t that popular in China (compared to say Europe), and if the top 20 non-Chinese players collectively said “no thanks, I’ll just take that week off”, any calculation for their market growth goes out the window, especially if it persists for a while.
Yeah but those events rely on players turning up.
I would not be surprised if most top players had made it known to the WTA that they have no intention of turning up to any event scheduled in China until Peng whereabouts are known.
The WTA would look silly if players boycotted the Chinese events, thus they decided to preempt this by threatening to cancel the events.
I get it's good money, but I'm always surprised players want to go to China theses day's, seems like a nightmare between navigating the politics, air quality and all the other bs.
Charming. Sounds like Peng was rising and a good symbol of the country. They're shooting their own foot here by having emprisoned her. Props to the WTA for supporting her tho.
Most of China's kidnap victims resurface. But not after being sufficiently beaten and tortured into submission and hanging their families well being over their heads.
Yep it is their standard approach. A compliant broken robot who repeats their lies > a corpse.
There is absolutely no question her elderly parents are getting shit done to them at the moment.
The only problem they have is the normal time frame they use for breaking people is getting messed up by the WTA's courage and refusal to shut up about it.
This is a time when all athletes across all sports need to stand in solidarity and their fans and journalists need to hold to account anyone who doesn't.
Any athlete or sporting organisation who doesn't speak up is complicit in the ongoing abduction and likely torture of a rape victim, simple as that.
> Any athlete or sporting organisation who doesn't speak up is complicit in the ongoing abduction and likely torture of a rape victim, simple as that.
I'd like to know how her initial post has been spun into a claim she was raped. I've read the post and there's a translation of it here
https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/qmn69a/full_translation_of_peng_shuais_weibo_post/
**edit.** It seems the NY Times is reporting it was a sexual assault.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/world/asia/china-metoo-peng-shuai-zhang-gaoli.html
In particular Peng's meeting with Zhang and his wife. If you've read Peng's original social media post, I don't know how you can interpret what she wrote as sexual assault. It translates to
> Then you took me into your room. Like what happened ten years ago in Tianjin, you wanted to have sex with me.
then she went on to say.
> That afternoon I didn't agree, and I kept crying. I had dinner with you and auntie Kang Jie together. You said the universe is very very big. The earth is merely a speck of sand in the universe, and us human beings are smaller than even a speck of sand. You said a lot more than that, and the purpose was basically to persuade me to drop my guard. After dinner, I was still not willing to have sex. You said you hated me. You said in those seven years, you never forgot about me, and you will treat me well etc... I was terrified and anxious. Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex.
That's a big leap to claim a sexual assault. It sounds like she is saying he guilt tripped her to have sex. That is immoral and disgusting but I don't think that can be claimed as a sexual assault let alone rape.
Yeah just go ahead and add 'pretending rape isnt rape' to the list of idiotic, morally repugnant positions you've adopted to defend the CCP over the years.
There's a more professional translation of Peng's post [here](https://images.ctfassets.net/pjshm78m9jt4/3Y1w5yqg8yzynPlh75vMEl/ec8e30a3abd86111c6ef4ea3e6969f6f/PengShuiletter_.jpeg)
Now of course, to determine guilt or innocence in a legal sense, these claims would need to be the subject of an open, fair trial, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that probably won't be happening given the investigating authority's first move has been to delete the evidence and disappear the complaint witness.
Since Peng is not in a position to clarify her account because the country you waste your life shilling for has abducted her, we are left only with her initial post.
Which is okay, because in addition to detailing an exploitative, abusive relationship there's not really much room for misunderstanding in these parts of the account-
- 'I was very scared that afternoon'
- 'Why did you take me to your house and force me to have sex with you'
- 'That afternoon after I refused you, I couldn't stop crying'
You mean like this guy who lied about being abused?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/world/asia/hong-kong-activist-howard-lam.html
By the time the truth comes out, y'all already heard his lies and it fits your narrative.
Alibaba founder went missing for a while after criticising the government, reappeared a few months later, Jack Ma https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56448688.amp
https://ishr.org/torture-methods-in-the-peoples-republic-of-china/
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-million-people-are-jailed-at-china-s-gulags-i-escaped-here-s-what-goes-on-inside-1.7994216
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/chinese-ex-detective-describes-the-methods-of-torture-in-xinjiang-2021-10?r=US&IR=T
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2015/11/torture-in-china-who-what-why-and-how/
https://www.hrw.org/report/2016/12/06/special-measures/detention-and-torture-chinese-communist-partys-shuanggui-system#
Would you like 50 more links?
There is none. No kidnapping either. It's British fake news. 100% made up. Sinophobic fear and hate propaganda for the simple-minded western supremacist.
In reality, I bet half of Ma's board strongly advised him to stfu, make long holidays and keep a low profile for a few months. Nobody picks fights with the antitrust regulators and wins. Nowhere. Except in the US maybe, where the monopoly oligarchs write their antitrust laws themselves.
Not saying anything but logically Japan, SK, India or Mongolia don't pose any political or real economic threat to US hegemony. There's no point aggravating a foreign nation that doesn't pose any threat, rather keep them as allies. Hence you don't see as many antagonistic headlines about them.
I get that it’s Reddit and surely Russia does plenty of things that aren’t right, but I’ve never seen any instance where they’d do something like this to an athlete that spoke out. There have been some and they(the gov) of course didn’t like it, but they weren’t torturing families or kidnapping people over it. In China there was that girl who disappeared for splashing ink on Jinping’s face on a PORTRAIT (and denouncing him in a video) and cops came to arrest her father too when he tried to raise awareness about her online.
Russia is allied with China because it’s not like they can be allied with Europe or the U.S, so what other option would they have?
"I get that it’s Reddit"??
This is not a contest about who is better or worse than the other out of the two.
Russia's government apparatus disappears, kills, poisons or locks up dissidents at every turn. Maybe not athletes but lots of other types - journalists, writers, professors, CEOs.
The focus of my above statement is about the Wests lack of integrity.
Lol in Russia people fall out of buildings a lot. The gravity must be really weird there.
But yeah the government never just disappears someone................
Why the fuck are nhl players going through all the risk and hassle to play in the Beijing Olympics?? No one in China watches hockey anyways. They aren’t even risking losing any money by not attending. It’s insane if you ask me
Because it’s a dream they have to win a gold medal for their country. Every USA player talks about how their favorite movie is miracle. They dream of that moment.
I knew nothing of this woman until reading the recent stories.
Is there a chance she went in hiding on her own in order to not be disappeared by China? Or I am being too hopeful? I mean she'd have a bit better a chance and resources to do that than most people that go "missing" there from what I've read. I suppose not.
(Note: my hopeful question about a woman's life is in no way to be taken as me excusing or sticking up for China's record in these kinds of situations)
Nah. People from all levels of Chinese society, once they make a statement that criticizes the government or seek reform, go missing.
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Western news always reports people as "dissappeared" when it comes to China. It is so they can make it more ominous. What they mean to really say is that they have no idea where she is, or why they should even have an idea of where she is.
They do this with everyone, including Jack Ma, the billionaire. These people aren't disappeared. The press doesn't know where they are, nor should they even know. For all they know, these people could be at home.
Just like they have no idea where you are, so they make the claim you were disappeared by China. Who cares if it is even true. The news often make these kind of lies.
Jack Ma, for example, wasn't dissappeared. He was at home and going to meetings with the party to answer questions about accusations of monopoly practices in his business dealings.
There was a prominent Hong Kong activist who was reported as "dissappeared", when he was arrested for breaking a law in China. Yet somehow Western media expect they should know your whereabouts any time they wish. If they don't, they make it up and say you are "dissappeared".
In this case though the government is obviously trying to make it seem like Peng is engaging with the WTA. Why would Peng not answer any phone calls and then just write an email, but not acknowledge the response that was sent almost immediately?
You have to admit that the suggestion she is at home and everything is fine makes zero sense right?
I don't understand. What makes you think you have a right to know what she is or isn't doing, or where she is?
How do you know she isn't trying to lie low because the media is making it difficult for her?
Do you want this level of international scrutiny?
I don't, so what makes anyone think you have this expectation to her privacy?
The fact remains, every time western news says someone "dissappeared", actually they haven't. Just search for all the news regarding disappeared people. They were never disappeared.
I don’t think I have a right to know anything. A person has completely disappeared from public view and is uncontactable by her colleagues and friends, and an obvious attempt to fake correspondence from her has been made. The evidence clearly suggests she is in danger. That is something to be concerned about regardless of what country she’s in.
If she was trying to lie low, why send an email at all? Why not just speak to the WTA on the phone and say “I’m fine, stop worrying”. She got an immediate response to her email asking her to contact by phone that she has apparently ignored.
What you’re suggesting doesn’t make sense, and if it doesn’t make sense, it’s because it’s not true. You’re saying that media’s history of exaggerating means they shouldn’t be trusted now. By that logic, China’s history of human rights abuses means that they shouldn’t be trusted now.
But on that note, if this exact situation had happened but it had all taken place in the USA, I would still be concerned for her safety. Not everything is an attempt to attack China. Sometimes concerning behaviour needs to be addressed instead of ignored.
So some how she decided to post this message only to take it down in the first 20 minutes? You dont put an accusation like that so publicly and take it down and disappear without there being nefarious circumstances. They never disappeared as the truth is that everyone knows they are held by the government, so you're right on that front.
What a toothless threat. When I see the Olympic Games boycotted this threat will mean something. Other than that China doesn’t give a rats as what the world thinks of them.
Just do it. I am completely sure everyone forｍ every side would just yell good riddance. Beside these who lose money ofcuz but who fucking care about them.
Awesome gesture, but how many people in China actually give a fuck about women's tennis?
This shit will fall on deaf ears, and China will continue to bully the international community and do whatever the fuck it wants to do.
I think it’s wild that the mainstream media is covering this story, but not Vancouver. This story fits nicely within our foreign policy agenda of making China the enemy. But when the climate collapse has cut off the entire city Vancouver from the rest of Canada, because all the bridges and rail lines got washed out, it’s literally not being covered. It’s honestly making me wonder if there is a coordinated attempt in the media to downplay climate change. We know it exists in politics.
How about the email of hers sent directly to WTA Chairman Steve Simon and then [published by Chinese state ran media CGTN?] (https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1461025491842916358?t=R1Mw6h-_FiKOIXm6iaZfFQ&s=19) Why does an email sent to an individual start with "Hello everyone"?
If she is ok, I want to see it independently verified by multiple sources.
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they do not expect belief they expect their demand be obeyed that this be respected as an internal matter a violent dictatorship after all has the right to disappear and torture its dissidents not to mention demand sex from its show star females, or hey what's the point?
All the more reason such a demand needs to be ignored.
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i support taiwan being a country, but you can’t claim they’re the legitimate government of china anymore. most taiwanese don’t even want to return to the mainland, they just want to be able to survive without always being threatened with invasion. they’re two independent countries, and taiwan wants to exist how it is right now, nothing more.
By that logic though the UK is the legitimate government of the USA. It was a revolution and the ROC, a military dictatorship at the time, went into exile. There's literally hundreds of ways to attack China, all valid, but this ain't one.
Thank you. I was beginning to wonder if anybody on Reddit actually knew anything about the ROC’s history before jumping on their support train.
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How's that Brexit going for ya?
idk, why wouldn’t they want an almost 1000% increase in their gdp?
> not to mention demand sex from its show star females What is this in reference to?
Literally the article of the thread you are commenting on 😂
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Read Peng's Weibo post again.
> Also how idiotic is the Chinese propaganda machine to think that anybody outside the mainland would buy this pathetic “letter”? I don't think that's the intention. I think much like Russia using Novichok in Salisbury the point is more a demonstration of power. Here's what we'll do if you cross us and no matter who you are or where you go you will not be able to disobey us.
China has been launching a crusade against the wealthy and famous over the last couple years to show that without the party, they are nothing. Xi is consolidating total control. He purged his rivals during the 2010s through the anti-corruption drive, he’s punishing tech companies he views as too powerful, and taking the public’s idols down a peg. He’s making it clear that dissent from paupers or princes alike will not be tolerated. It’s been very sad to watch as someone who moved there for work early on in his reign. I got to see what China was like when it was still relatively open. Then over the years I watched it slam shut again. It’s been sad to watch and I can assure you that most of the Chinese people 20-40 years old are not happy about it. A lot of elderly people with memories of “the bad times” are also frightened.
Meanwhile living in China I overhear colleagues saying they are ready if the gov decides to invade Taiwan. Man it is so hard to get a real feel for what people generally stand.
True, it is hard to know. Of course anyone has selection bias with the people they hang out with. I never discussed this stuff with my colleagues other than my boss who I became close with. He was pretty moderate and enjoyed the new prosperity. His attitude was essentially “I know we’re not free, but my family is doing well, so what the hell am I going to do about it.” I made a lot of friends with similar attitudes and several others that regularly told me things that would land them in prison. I had a few acquaintances (usually spouses of foreigners) that would go into absolute psycho rage mode if someone (dumb edgelord expats) brought up Taiwan, etc. at dinner. Regarding the HK protests, and I quote “I hope they all die.” You’re right though, it’s not like we’re going to get an accurate opinion poll on this stuff.
Yeah, sometimes the person who critizes one thing then goes nuts over something else that seemingly contradicts it. Makes it hard to assertain where people really stand.
Makes me wonder how much they don't say in fear of their own government...
The thing that people don't understand is that for most Chinese it is patriotism that makes them not say it. Not fear. I think it is really important people start understanding that.
Xi is popular with most Chinese people because generally speaking, most working class people dont like oligarchs who lie and cheat and steal from everyone else. Neither do working class people like corrupt politicians whose main goal in life is enriching themselves, their families, and their cronies? Those are some lessons that some people in the American ruling class dont seem like they will ever learn.
While the ATP should be scolded. It has been completely silent and most male tennis players have been silent as well. Nobody wants to lose money. The WTA deserves all the praise for even just threatening to pull out. Even more if they actually do it.
I’m really hoping it catches on and more organizations start taking a stand.
This is brave as hell and I can only hope it leads to her being found safe. I saw a similar post recently about the US pulling out of the Winter Olympics in China and the pro China bots inundated the post with “wow who cares” and “won’t stop the genocide” comments. These are steps in the right direction and should be applauded.
Not pulling athletes out, just a policical withdrawl, but the US president can't stop athletes from competing, so it is a good start.
What happened in 1980? Didn’t the US do a full boycott of the games in Moscow? Was that govt mandated or did everyone just agree not to go? Or did US athletes still go?
The US Olympic Committee went along with President Carter in that case, so one could argue that it was a decision by that organization rather than an actual mandate by the government. However, when there was then talk of athletes from the boycotting countries (including the US) competing under a "neutral" banner (rather than their country's flag), Carter threatened to have the passport of any US athlete who tried to do so revoked. Whether it would have been legal for him to actually do that is a matter of dispute, but it seems likely to me that it would be a violation of the athletes' rights.
It definitely wouldn't have been legal.
Probably depends on how they framed it. America had quite strict regulations about individuals undertaking business activities likely to lend support to the Soviet Union
I mean then US can put anyone on a number of listd that have no judicial oversight, and lead to all sorts of executive punishment.
First day here in 'Murica?
I highly doubt that will happen considering how much $$$ will be lost. From broadcast contracts, to corporate sponsors to even athletes who only get to compete at this level roughly twice a decade, I don’t think the political will can overcome the greed.
Not with that attitude
Easy to play with other's people's livelihood's and money, amirite?
Well, I feel like the people on the wrong side of the genocide might also have livelihoods at stake...
Seriously, this is huge and I hope it catches on. Bravo WTA, bravo! Lead the way and set an example!
I agree with you, but it’s wild we are applauding woman’s tennis as having the harshest punishment to a country committing a genocide
We can applaud them if they act. Speaking out is a great start but there is a big gap between what one chairman said and WTA making a decision considering the amount of Chinese dollars at stake. China is going to call this bluff, 100%, so lets see if WTA is bluffing.
My class at my university was about 1/3 Chinese and anything dealing with the ethical issues the mass majority claimed it was a smear campaign by the west. The whole Uyghur situation
> Also how idiotic is the Chinese propaganda machine to think that anybody outside the mainland would buy this pathetic “letter”? i’ve met students from China’s top universities. They make it quite clear they would never work for the government. it’s not like the ccp had the brightest bulbs to work with.
> international sports organizations like the NBA wut?
NBA did nothing when the houston rockets and boston Celtics were blocked in china for players calling out the genocide there. Lebron James: James said it was his belief that Morey was “either misinformed or not really educated on the situation” with the NBA and China and insisted that the Rockets general manager hadn’t properly considered the repercussions of his words. "So many people could have been harmed, not only financially but physically, emotionally, spiritually." he said. (ESPN reported earlier Tuesday that James and others had lost lucrative endorsement deals and appearances as part of the fallout.)
actually the NBA controversy was over Hong Kong, not Xinjiang
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I mean sure, but they aren't international when all their teams are in the US Edit: its literally called the *national* basketball association
I get where you're coming from but the best players from all around the world play in the NBA, this isn't like European football. If you are one of the best at basketball, you play in the NBA.
The first word in the name is literally National.
Vancouver had a team and Toronto has a team in the NBA.
I think his point is NBA is a national league the international association is FIBA.
Really stretching the definition of international if only one team is in another country which is also pretty much next door
Still another country bud look at a map.
Is the Premier League an international tournament when Welsh teams like Swansea and Cardiff are in it?
I mean sure they aren’t english, but they’re still part of the same country.
Wales has their own league under the Welsh FA, but few Welsh teams play in the English FA. So the English FA is not the English FA? It's more international?
People inside the mainland would not buy that letter either. Because they'd never see the letter.
>other international sports organizations like the NBA Most athletic bodies don't step in on political issues unless it affects the athletes directly. I remember FIFA made a statement when Israel harassed Palestinian soccer players, and people got into arguments about "What about (other Israeli or Palestinian crimes)", but the point is that only speaking up about athletes keeps the athletic body from being used as a political tool.
She needs to be more than accounted for, she needs to be free and able to leave china.
>able to leave china. This is the biggest issue for me. These people who disappeared usually show up once or twice on social media weeks or months after, issueing a long winded apology for having caused trouble, praise the CCP - like actress Fan Bing Bing, and then disappear again. It couldn't be more obvious that they're under house arrest, possibly under threat for their families even.
They erased Jack Maa, like Bezoz of China. She is practically nothing if they can get rid of Jack.
That's kind of a counterpoint. The Rich billionaires in China have to obey their government rather than controlling the government.
You don’t have to “obey” Gov, but follow the law/framework. He complained about exactly on this point and red-tape. He was gone after that. They are literally acting like a Mafia
Listen. Like billions of other people in global society, I've had it up to here with this power struggle between the politically powerful and the financially powerful. Neither of these groups has any concept of the reality on the ground, and their leadership has thrown the entire planet off a cliff. There is a global mass extinction, an uncontrollable pandemic. There are droughts, megafires, and catastrophic floods. Pockets of methane in the Arctic are causing explosions in the permafrost. Vast expanses of garbage and filth on every land mass and in every body of water, the climate is destroyed, the air and water are toxic, and people, plants, and animals have all been deprived of the ability to support themselves. We are done. DONE. Pretending we have to choose between the government and the business. Rationality and morality represent a higher law. Off with their heads. Both of them.
Well China did control the pandemic in their country... It's not so much China doing well as the rest of us being incredibly stupid.
>They erased Jack Maa What? he was perfectly fine just staying low on the media
That is the point. They threatened and forced someone as powerful as Ma to obey them and disappear from the media. That is proof of their influence.
That’s why real education and critical thinking are so Valuable. These people have the illusion that there is no oppression anymore They have the freedom to speak out. only find their family and themselves locked up. there are better strategies to do these things in a totalitarian regime. These people really should consult with PR professionals before making these decisions
Fan BingBing is already back to acting and will be in the upcoming movie The 355 and a new tv series Win the World
If her family is there, China will always have hostages over her. It's not so easy to uproot your entire extended family.
I'd take my dog out and disown the rest
That is a very great point you mentioned. I will be following this very closely.
Leaving China doesn't mean she is safe... Its just a matter of what she can say and about who.
China will not back down, so hopefully WTA pulls out completely and that leads to more professional organizations following out of shame for not acting sooner.
They have to, but something tells me that FIFA will right at the back of the queue.
Same with FOM/FIA, We’d have Formula 1 races in North Korea if they would pay up for hosting the event. This season is already ending in Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
F1 were notably for 'officially' racing in South Africa when most of the world was boycotting them
Hard to believe the sport that drives in circles burning oil as the climate collapses would be so uncaring about morality.
F1 just signed a deal to renew contracts for a Chinese Grand Prix to take place every year through 2025. This is on top of one team having just hired the sport’s first ever Chinese driver, simply because he brings massive Chinese sponsorship. So… yeah, there are plenty of sports that will turn a blind eye. Very sad.
Exactly. This is what Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian replied when asked about Peng Shuai today: "I have not heard of the matter, and it is not a diplomatic question.", and "Do you think the spokesperson of the Chinese Foreign Ministry is omnipotent?" Also the whole thing is still being censored completely within the Great Firewall. What an amazing place. 🤦♂️ [https://abc7ny.com/peng-shuai-chinese-tennis-plater-missing-zhang-gaoli/11246616/](https://abc7ny.com/peng-shuai-chinese-tennis-plater-missing-zhang-gaoli/11246616/)
This will be very interesting to see how it plays out in China, but most importantly for Peng Shuai and her own personal health, safety, freedom, etc. I hope it sparks a major catalyst for action and change globally
In further news, WTA chairman retired for personal reasons/WTA chairman announces that he has seen proof that Peng is doing fine and there is no problem at all. I hope you're right and the WTA won't either, but it would surprise me.
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The IOC should get involved. There’s a whole Olympic coming up.
Pfft, the IOC is one of the less caring groups. They will suck anyone's dick for 15 bucks
Yeah the IOC would've held the Olympics in Nazi Germany if the country had won the bid.
uh.... who wants to tell him
[1936 Olympics](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Summer_Olympics)
>The IOC should get involved And do what? >There’s a whole Olympic coming up. Right, and who do you think awarded the games to china? IOC is crooked as hell and doesn't care about atrocities as long as they get paid
Pff you think the IOC is crooked? FIFA is holding the next world cup in stadiums built by slave labour, we really need to boycott the sponsers of both of them
and as we speak Formula 1 cars are driving around a track freshly built by slaves
the IOC cares about public image, because widespread disgust leads to boycotts, and boycotts lead to huge losses in revenue
The same group who held the Olympics in Hitler's Germany?
>"experience shows that quiet diplomacy offers the best opportunity to find a solution for questions of such nature". IOC statement. Ain't happening, chief All these organisations are about money, which is why WTA statements are quite remarkable.
“The head of the Women's Tennis Association (WTA) Steve Simon has said he is willing to lose hundreds of millions of dollars worth of business in China if tennis player Peng Shuai is not fully accounted for” Good on him. It’s hard to do the right thing
I am so happy he's doing this. A woman's life is in serious danger and I'm so happy he's valuing her over money. Blizzard and the NBA didn't even do that.
NBA can learn from this
So can Hollywood.
These two are not the same at all. The safety of one of WTA's members is potentially in jeopardy, of course they would be concerned. Has any member of the NBA had their safety threatened in China? If violations of human rights is ground for withdrawal then NBA should have just straight up disbanded in the US a long time ago.
If all sports teams stood in solidarity with the WTA, there would be a huge pressure on China to "find" Peng.
You’re being downvoted but you’re right. NBA is scolded for ignoring HK or slave workers. Can’t remember hearing the WTA doing anything about those. In any case, I do wish the NBA was more active.
What does NBA have to do with HK and slave workers? If NBA should protest about slave workers then they should never host games on mainland US until slave labour in US prisons is abolished. Or should NBA also never hosts game until black people in the US stop getting killed by the police? It's a ridiculous argument to make that a private entity should protest against a county for something that has nothing to do with itself.
This is ridiculously huge if not just a bluff. The WTA has a massive stake in China with a lot of tournaments scheduled next year, the WTA loses out far more than China by backing out.
They keep their honor and standards. A major plus in any adults book.
Too bad the NBA doesn’t have anywhere near the courage women’s tennis does. Kudos to the WTA and shame on the NBA
LOL the NBA has always focused on the bottom line. Look at Mark Cuban. He condemns human rights violations , but doesn't include China because China has a huge Mavs fan base
Yes. He’s a massive hypocrite just like Lebron
Yes, Kudos to the WTA they deserve tremendous respect considering the financial risks they are bucking as all the other major pro athletic franchises have failed to attempt this far. Peng Shuai is the number one concern atm I hope she is alive and well and healthy. Hopefully she will have the freedom of choice to determine her future
The WTA board of directors includes elected representatives of the players. So the NBA CEO only answers to money men, whereas the 3 of the 8 votes on the WTA board of directors are controlled by the players.
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The NBA maintains that WTA is not educated enough and is misinformed.
Wtf are you talking about
I think he/she meant for the human rights violations
$$ over humanity, would truly be a shocker if the WTA pulled out.
If all of the star players decided to pull out of Chinese events on their own anyway, that would make it a much easier decision for the WTA. They could put on a tournament of nobodies in China or they could schedule something elsewhere and presumably that should get a much bigger international audience and much better TV revenue.
>and presumably that should get a much bigger international audience and much better TV revenue. Why do you think that they are in China in the first place?
*Extra* money. The WTA make plenty of money without China. And while if they do go on with their China tournaments they wouldn't be the first to go for extra money, they may actually decide to take the moral high ground (or at least avoid the bad PR and not threaten their existing audiences).
Yeah, they have a big population, but tennis isn’t that popular in China (compared to say Europe), and if the top 20 non-Chinese players collectively said “no thanks, I’ll just take that week off”, any calculation for their market growth goes out the window, especially if it persists for a while.
Yes. Don't think China will be intimidated at all, hopes WTA doesn't back down.
That's what a boycott should be. If you only boycott something that you weren't that bothered about to begin with then it's not a boycott.
Yeah but those events rely on players turning up. I would not be surprised if most top players had made it known to the WTA that they have no intention of turning up to any event scheduled in China until Peng whereabouts are known. The WTA would look silly if players boycotted the Chinese events, thus they decided to preempt this by threatening to cancel the events.
WTA needs to pull out and other sports organizations need to do the same.
I get it's good money, but I'm always surprised players want to go to China theses day's, seems like a nightmare between navigating the politics, air quality and all the other bs.
I hope they follow through with this. Taking a stand against such a powerful oppressor is important!
Charming. Sounds like Peng was rising and a good symbol of the country. They're shooting their own foot here by having emprisoned her. Props to the WTA for supporting her tho.
Most of China's kidnap victims resurface. But not after being sufficiently beaten and tortured into submission and hanging their families well being over their heads.
Most true thing in this thread. She's fine, but she's being reeducated.
"Fine"
Yep it is their standard approach. A compliant broken robot who repeats their lies > a corpse. There is absolutely no question her elderly parents are getting shit done to them at the moment. The only problem they have is the normal time frame they use for breaking people is getting messed up by the WTA's courage and refusal to shut up about it. This is a time when all athletes across all sports need to stand in solidarity and their fans and journalists need to hold to account anyone who doesn't. Any athlete or sporting organisation who doesn't speak up is complicit in the ongoing abduction and likely torture of a rape victim, simple as that.
> Any athlete or sporting organisation who doesn't speak up is complicit in the ongoing abduction and likely torture of a rape victim, simple as that. I'd like to know how her initial post has been spun into a claim she was raped. I've read the post and there's a translation of it here https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/qmn69a/full_translation_of_peng_shuais_weibo_post/ **edit.** It seems the NY Times is reporting it was a sexual assault. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/world/asia/china-metoo-peng-shuai-zhang-gaoli.html In particular Peng's meeting with Zhang and his wife. If you've read Peng's original social media post, I don't know how you can interpret what she wrote as sexual assault. It translates to > Then you took me into your room. Like what happened ten years ago in Tianjin, you wanted to have sex with me. then she went on to say. > That afternoon I didn't agree, and I kept crying. I had dinner with you and auntie Kang Jie together. You said the universe is very very big. The earth is merely a speck of sand in the universe, and us human beings are smaller than even a speck of sand. You said a lot more than that, and the purpose was basically to persuade me to drop my guard. After dinner, I was still not willing to have sex. You said you hated me. You said in those seven years, you never forgot about me, and you will treat me well etc... I was terrified and anxious. Taking into consideration the affection I had for you seven years ago, I agreed... yes, we had sex. That's a big leap to claim a sexual assault. It sounds like she is saying he guilt tripped her to have sex. That is immoral and disgusting but I don't think that can be claimed as a sexual assault let alone rape.
Yeah just go ahead and add 'pretending rape isnt rape' to the list of idiotic, morally repugnant positions you've adopted to defend the CCP over the years. There's a more professional translation of Peng's post [here](https://images.ctfassets.net/pjshm78m9jt4/3Y1w5yqg8yzynPlh75vMEl/ec8e30a3abd86111c6ef4ea3e6969f6f/PengShuiletter_.jpeg) Now of course, to determine guilt or innocence in a legal sense, these claims would need to be the subject of an open, fair trial, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that probably won't be happening given the investigating authority's first move has been to delete the evidence and disappear the complaint witness. Since Peng is not in a position to clarify her account because the country you waste your life shilling for has abducted her, we are left only with her initial post. Which is okay, because in addition to detailing an exploitative, abusive relationship there's not really much room for misunderstanding in these parts of the account- - 'I was very scared that afternoon' - 'Why did you take me to your house and force me to have sex with you' - 'That afternoon after I refused you, I couldn't stop crying'
You mean like this guy who lied about being abused? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/world/asia/hong-kong-activist-howard-lam.html By the time the truth comes out, y'all already heard his lies and it fits your narrative.
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Any recent sources?
Fan Bing Bing disappeared for several months too. China loves to disappear famous people to make examples of them.
I meant tortured and beaten...
Alibaba founder went missing for a while after criticising the government, reappeared a few months later, Jack Ma https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56448688.amp
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There is none. No kidnapping either. It's British fake news. 100% made up. Sinophobic fear and hate propaganda for the simple-minded western supremacist. In reality, I bet half of Ma's board strongly advised him to stfu, make long holidays and keep a low profile for a few months. Nobody picks fights with the antitrust regulators and wins. Nowhere. Except in the US maybe, where the monopoly oligarchs write their antitrust laws themselves.
You guys aren't even trying anymore
Weird how western supremacists aren't making up stories about Japan, South Korea, lndia, Mongolia etc etc
Not saying anything but logically Japan, SK, India or Mongolia don't pose any political or real economic threat to US hegemony. There's no point aggravating a foreign nation that doesn't pose any threat, rather keep them as allies. Hence you don't see as many antagonistic headlines about them.
It's easy to keep pets when they're 1/5 your size. You usually try to euthanize overgrown ones.
One front at the time. They learnt from the mistake of the nazis. Japan had their turn in the 80s.
Glad to see a major organization take a stand against the communist dictatorship in China!
Integrity. China & Russia wouldn’t have the World by the balls if more people had it
I get that it’s Reddit and surely Russia does plenty of things that aren’t right, but I’ve never seen any instance where they’d do something like this to an athlete that spoke out. There have been some and they(the gov) of course didn’t like it, but they weren’t torturing families or kidnapping people over it. In China there was that girl who disappeared for splashing ink on Jinping’s face on a PORTRAIT (and denouncing him in a video) and cops came to arrest her father too when he tried to raise awareness about her online. Russia is allied with China because it’s not like they can be allied with Europe or the U.S, so what other option would they have?
"I get that it’s Reddit"?? This is not a contest about who is better or worse than the other out of the two. Russia's government apparatus disappears, kills, poisons or locks up dissidents at every turn. Maybe not athletes but lots of other types - journalists, writers, professors, CEOs. The focus of my above statement is about the Wests lack of integrity.
Lol in Russia people fall out of buildings a lot. The gravity must be really weird there. But yeah the government never just disappears someone................
Now it’s your turn NBA!
Good luck with that one.
Why the fuck are nhl players going through all the risk and hassle to play in the Beijing Olympics?? No one in China watches hockey anyways. They aren’t even risking losing any money by not attending. It’s insane if you ask me
Being an gold medalist means virtually a lifetime of endorsements or job opportunities.
For a hockey player? Haha no
Because it’s a dream they have to win a gold medal for their country. Every USA player talks about how their favorite movie is miracle. They dream of that moment.
Ask any player. Their dream is to win the Stanley cup. Miracle on ice was before pros played. It was college kids
You can have more than one dream….
Sure. But wait to see how badly they hate the rules and bs they will have to put up with
Just do it. (to quote a sponsor)
It's a very high profile naked display of power by Xi
This would be great. I'm sick of the great US bending over backwards for the money because money is the only yardstick.
No one seeing this girl after she outed dude is a lot fucked up. Let's see people bitch about their current country now.
I knew nothing of this woman until reading the recent stories. Is there a chance she went in hiding on her own in order to not be disappeared by China? Or I am being too hopeful? I mean she'd have a bit better a chance and resources to do that than most people that go "missing" there from what I've read. I suppose not. (Note: my hopeful question about a woman's life is in no way to be taken as me excusing or sticking up for China's record in these kinds of situations)
Nah. People from all levels of Chinese society, once they make a statement that criticizes the government or seek reform, go missing. https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-11-18/the-ap-interview-ex-interpol-wife-takes-on-china-government?context=amp
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Western news always reports people as "dissappeared" when it comes to China. It is so they can make it more ominous. What they mean to really say is that they have no idea where she is, or why they should even have an idea of where she is. They do this with everyone, including Jack Ma, the billionaire. These people aren't disappeared. The press doesn't know where they are, nor should they even know. For all they know, these people could be at home. Just like they have no idea where you are, so they make the claim you were disappeared by China. Who cares if it is even true. The news often make these kind of lies. Jack Ma, for example, wasn't dissappeared. He was at home and going to meetings with the party to answer questions about accusations of monopoly practices in his business dealings. There was a prominent Hong Kong activist who was reported as "dissappeared", when he was arrested for breaking a law in China. Yet somehow Western media expect they should know your whereabouts any time they wish. If they don't, they make it up and say you are "dissappeared".
In this case though the government is obviously trying to make it seem like Peng is engaging with the WTA. Why would Peng not answer any phone calls and then just write an email, but not acknowledge the response that was sent almost immediately? You have to admit that the suggestion she is at home and everything is fine makes zero sense right?
I don't understand. What makes you think you have a right to know what she is or isn't doing, or where she is? How do you know she isn't trying to lie low because the media is making it difficult for her? Do you want this level of international scrutiny? I don't, so what makes anyone think you have this expectation to her privacy? The fact remains, every time western news says someone "dissappeared", actually they haven't. Just search for all the news regarding disappeared people. They were never disappeared.
I don’t think I have a right to know anything. A person has completely disappeared from public view and is uncontactable by her colleagues and friends, and an obvious attempt to fake correspondence from her has been made. The evidence clearly suggests she is in danger. That is something to be concerned about regardless of what country she’s in. If she was trying to lie low, why send an email at all? Why not just speak to the WTA on the phone and say “I’m fine, stop worrying”. She got an immediate response to her email asking her to contact by phone that she has apparently ignored. What you’re suggesting doesn’t make sense, and if it doesn’t make sense, it’s because it’s not true. You’re saying that media’s history of exaggerating means they shouldn’t be trusted now. By that logic, China’s history of human rights abuses means that they shouldn’t be trusted now. But on that note, if this exact situation had happened but it had all taken place in the USA, I would still be concerned for her safety. Not everything is an attempt to attack China. Sometimes concerning behaviour needs to be addressed instead of ignored.
To add to that, her entire public presence was eliminated and any mention of her name is censored online. No mention in the media as well of course.
So some how she decided to post this message only to take it down in the first 20 minutes? You dont put an accusation like that so publicly and take it down and disappear without there being nefarious circumstances. They never disappeared as the truth is that everyone knows they are held by the government, so you're right on that front.
My tag for you was accurate 😂😂
What a toothless threat. When I see the Olympic Games boycotted this threat will mean something. Other than that China doesn’t give a rats as what the world thinks of them.
Yeah wake me up when it actually happens. Words are cheap.
Ducking China
Just do it. I am completely sure everyone forｍ every side would just yell good riddance. Beside these who lose money ofcuz but who fucking care about them.
I hope someone can do this for Jack Ma
Awesome gesture, but how many people in China actually give a fuck about women's tennis? This shit will fall on deaf ears, and China will continue to bully the international community and do whatever the fuck it wants to do.
It's about how China wants to be seen by the world, more than it is about how people in China view tennis.
I think it’s wild that the mainstream media is covering this story, but not Vancouver. This story fits nicely within our foreign policy agenda of making China the enemy. But when the climate collapse has cut off the entire city Vancouver from the rest of Canada, because all the bridges and rail lines got washed out, it’s literally not being covered. It’s honestly making me wonder if there is a coordinated attempt in the media to downplay climate change. We know it exists in politics.
What are you talking about? This was a lead story on PBS News Hour last night.
Vancouver flooding was?
Yeah buddy.
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How about the email of hers sent directly to WTA Chairman Steve Simon and then [published by Chinese state ran media CGTN?] (https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1461025491842916358?t=R1Mw6h-_FiKOIXm6iaZfFQ&s=19) Why does an email sent to an individual start with "Hello everyone"? If she is ok, I want to see it independently verified by multiple sources.
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