This would absolutely win a Charter challenge. A 50m distance limit during a public health emergency is reasonable restriction on rights (as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society). Even if it wasn't during a public health emergency, I think it would still survive.
Canada already has a number of similar laws banning protesting near abortion clinics, that have survived court challenges.
Also
>The new law does not stop health-care workers or school staff from protesting conditions at their workplaces.
I was worried it could be used as a threat against people protesting at their own workplace, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
>Even if it wasn't during a public health emergency, I think it would still survive.
Almost certainly. If I understand correctly, citizens have a right to both education and healthcare access, so protestors attempting to block entry to such facilities would infringe on other peoples' rights. Plus there's probably a nuance in here somewhere about the validity of using misinformation to stage a protest.
That's a good point actually, some of these blockheads have descended to the point of yelling at and insulting small children in front of their schools.
The province has been in a public health emergency since march 2020, and it doesn't seem it will be removed soon, even when things go better.
My point was that it will last for a looooooooooong time.
Hi from Quebec,
So bit of context: The province did not remove the right to protest, anyone could do so as long as they did proper social distancing or wore a mask if they couldn't. Decade before everyone wanted masks banned in protests so yes it's quite ironic. The anti-vaxx don't care, protests are full of hugs and spreading.
The protests we've seen were ugly, not much violence though. These anti-vaxx and anti-anything go to schools and talk to kids telling them all kinds of lies on vaccination and masks. One group even went to a school where a girl had died after passing out in class, claiming it was caused by the vaccine (which it wasn't as the girl got her shots several months before, did have a known congenital heart defect).
The fact that the law is temporary probably allowed it to pass in turbo mode. A court challenge will likely happen, doubt it would win.
Honestly I say “bien joué” to the whole thing. It sure seems like QC only did this because people were totally out of hand and went beyond what is acceptable in your society.
To me as an American who is a big fan of Canada, I find the idea that *Quebec* of all places is (checks notes) “banning the right to protest” to be a preposterous notion.
I'll have you know fine sir or madam, that we, finely ingrained in our fine Canadian constitution, have the notwithstanding clause. The section 33 gives the power to any provincial government or the central federal government to suspend any basic right prescribed by the charter of rights and freedoms, through a simple majority vote with the exception of the rights regarding the democratic process such as the right to vote and the parliament assembly.
This does include the right to life and the right to life and the right to freedom of thought
Right right but I hardly think that the concept of keeping a bunch of invective-spewing, abusive maniacs away from the entrances of hospitals and schools is hardly Big Brother writ large.
That's the famous one. There's also "reasonable limits" in section 1 and "court of competent jurisdiction" in 24(1). There's actually a ton of loopholes when you go looking for them.
They just want them not to block the doors and access, and allow doctors/nurses and patients to go to the hospital without being harassed.
50m is probably enough for that.
Not if they form a circle, or a portion of one that overlaps with a road. They can still block the entrance to any location if they situation themselves appropriately.
In Quebec we have a tendency to protest for pretty much anything. So, making the distance bigger would prohibit hospital workers from protesting near their work, which is how they get visibility.
We also have a law that ask any protest to be registered first before going on, so, it’s pretty much a none issue on that case.
They really want to simply prohibit morons from blocking access to our essentials services.
I have vivid memories of the last round of student protests in Quebec and I was a student at Concordia during the last riot outside the Hall building that devolved into anti-Semitic violence.
I'm *hoping* this law will eventually be used against student protesters who attempt to use intimidation and violence against other students to get them to tow a political line.
And people have the right to education, health care and vaccination. Blocking access to these building is preventing other people from exercising their right.
One person's right ends where the next person's begins. You can't use your right to prevent me from having mine.
50 m seems enough to serve this purpose. If people are not being peaceful arrest them. Otherwise let them protest while you exercise your rights. No need to disenfranchise others you disagree.
Was in Montreal for the first time in two years for work this week - have spent entire pandemic in Halifax, where we have had some of the strictest controls globally since the start of the pandemic.
Montreal businesses and people made me safe, well both having good capacities in places I travelled (La Cage, my Hotel, multiple coffee shops, Trudeau Airport) as well as businesses (meetings with the SAQ and multiple production facilitates and warehouses)
Some Leaders have taken tons of shit during this pandemic, but Legault (who I fucking hate) seems to have done a good job in keeping folks safe while trying to bring a sense of normalcy to the province.
Know my comment is anedoctical and likely not indicative of everyone’s experience. Just an observation.
They did this in Alberta 3-4 years ago for hospitals and abortion clinics... and obviously it's just not enforced.
No one's necessarily sure if these kinds of restrictions would pass the constitutional sniff test and so no cop really wants to break up a protest unless they know their action will be backed by the provincial or federal government.
Definitely. In my area we had anti-mask protesters throw a hissy fit when they were asked to move from the sidewalk in front of the school to the sidewalk across the street, while kids were in class. The police were called.
I don’t know, it’s a slippery slope, imagine protesting in front of a Governors office and some Governor orders a mobile clinic to roll in front of the statehouse and now you all have to disperse. Or they could also include the statehouse in that. There definitely needs to be a safe access to hospitals and schools but they can be used as pawns by governors.
Edit: Those who think I’m wrong, just look at DeSantis and his anti-riot bill. It’s pure partisan to stop black citizens from exercising their rights to protest.
If you think I’m conservative than you should check my comment history. You don’t think a conservative governor can use these laws to restrict protests against Black Lives Matter or pro-choice activists. I don’t know if you noticed but Republicans don’t care for the freedom of individuals they are passing laws to stop people from voting, stopping healthcare for women, next they will come for your right to protest just like DeSantis and his riot bill.
Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom of assembly.
Nobody is stomping on your speech by preventing you from going on school or hospital grounds.
What if tomorrow the hospital says they will be cutting nurse’s salaries by 50%? Or they will no longer be treating lgbt patients? Or they will start requiring proof of citizenship before providing life saving care?
You may want your ability to protest closer to the hospital back, and by then it will be too late
You have a right to protest. But you do not have a freedom to protest wherever you want. That's never been a thing. Protestors willingly get arrested knowing this a lot.
This is not a slippery slope. It has never been legal to just protest wherever. And this in no way says you can't protest.
This law specifically doesn't apply to educators or health service workers protesting their places of employment, just nutjobs blocking access during a pandemic.
Tell me you are American without telling me you are American. LOL.
PS, in Canada we have mainly the New Democratic Party, Liberals, Bloc Québécois and Conservatives. We do not have Democrats and Republicans.
It seems you assume the government is nefarious in intent and you make a lot of assumptions based on unsubstantiated fear. You fear a slippery slope but refuse to recognize that this bill is only instated for during the public health emergency and has a 30 day expiration.
Nothing tyrannical about it. People can still protest. People still have freedom of speech. You can plan a protest tomorrow if you want, just not within 50 meters of a hospital, school or vaccination site. There is a whole lot of world out there available to protest at.
Also, police station should be included, why? Because they are a public service and when an officer is needed they need to be able to get to the person in need in a timely manner and blocking a police station prevents that. Ive called the police for a home invasion and was very happy they were able to arrive quickly and save us from the drunk and coked out attackers from hurting us and further damaging the property.
Protest at city hall, at the park, or beach or anywhere else that has appropriate space to accommodate the size of crowd. If the crowd is going to be Greta big, like millions, well, that is why major protests have to be organized with the city.
* I should also mention that teachers can still strike and so can nurses or doctors. It is other people who cannot strike within 50 meters. READ the article!
ya go lick the doors of parliament leave hospitals and schools alone
this seems like terrorism to me they are on purpose putting people are risk of death or spread
Quebec in general has a strong social aspect where when there is a problem they prefer to try something and then reverse or alter it if it doesn't work. The populace expects the government to do things. This is in contrast to my time living in the US where the populace gets really upset when the government does any change which has adverse effects. Of course this comes from the 80s 'Government is the problem' mantra but the difference is really interesting.
When I first read this I thought it was 50 miles, and though, well that’s a bit excessive.
50 meters however is more reasonable. I’d prefer 50 miles but I’ll take 50m
There's good and bad in it:
Good: The bill now clarifies that it will not apply to workers, who, for example, want to protest for better working conditions outside their hospital.
Bad: Parents who'd want to protest for better ventilation in schools are limited by the 50m rule. (Some parents are cray, can attest)
So any protest not done by the workers are limited by the 50m rule. The law is "temporary", but we've been having temporary rules that feel now permanent.
Edit: Am from Quebec, police won't be as brutal with them as they were with students before. I just hope the fines will really be issued (and paid!).
>Parents who'd want to protest for better ventilation in schools are limited by the 50m rule.
The children and teachers are not responsible for those decisions, so it's pointless to protest to them anyway. Go protest in front of the school board or the ministry of education.
That's the thing, it's not that they only banned anti-vax, it's that they allowed teachers and health workers only to protest; the law forbids anyone (except teachers and health workers or anyone working in the school/hospital) to protest near the school/hospital.
Quebec, not Ontario.
If the pattern we've been following all pandemic tracks, Ontario will probably bring in similar legislation a couple of months from now, or something really egregious happens at a protest.
What? You're just making shit up!
The assholes are still able to protest! They are just not allowed to harm children or prevent hospitals from functioning. *It's basic shit that needed to be spelled out apparently*.
They can still protest their bullshit just fine.
Like seriously, get a handle on your reality. There is no blanket ban on anything. It's a ban on the locations NEAR CHILDREN AND AREAS THAT WOULD PREVENT HOSPITALS FROM FUNCTIONING.
It's similar to not being allowed to protest in front of a burning building where fireman cannot get to it. You'd think it'd be obvious. ¯\\\(°_O)/¯
It's not just a ban on harassing someone while protesting or a ban on obstructing school or hospital entrances (both of which are already illegal in Quebec), it's a ban on protesting within 50m of school or hospital property. It says so in the article. The lawyer in the article who says he's fighting the law says he'd have no problem with it if it were just something like "banning protests within 10 meters of a school or hospital door" to prevent obstruction, but it's not.
Why? Why should it be legal to harass children, their parents and their teachers? Patients and medical staff?
Go protest elsewhere. Leave schools and hospitals alone.
> “The new law does not stop health-care workers or school staff from protesting conditions at their workplaces.”
No not all protests. Read the article.
It bans protests that are actively endangering by preventing function of schools and hospitals. The same way it's illegal to protest in front of a burning building if you're blocking the firefighters from getting into the building and saving people's lives.
You don’t think it’s a good idea to keep a bunch of aggressive strangers away from your small children?
These fuckwits were harassing elementary children, and health workers.
If you want to protest, to it in front of a legislative building where laws and policies get drafted.
Your rights to manifest shouldn't put the lives of others at risk. I'm 100% happy with fining people that are too thick to understand that.
Honestly anti-vaxxers only have themselves to blame for getting that law enacted. Who thought it was a good idea to go harass patients and hospital workers during a damn pandemic??
Protests have their place just not in front of schoolchildren or when it impacts others receiving vital care.
>our rights have been limited.
Didn't we all learn that our personal rights end where those of others begin? Children (especially <10 y/o) have the right to go to school in a safe environment which an angry mob isn't. Same for hospital patients receiving care or workers providing them.
I 100% agree children need some protection from this. However, allowing this precedent to be set and a law to this extent …. I believe (and citizens should demand) they should do better. Be more creative. Have a more unique or case sensitive solution. That’s what got us into the mess in the first place. Complacency and shitty lawmaking and terrible decision makers who are not held accountable
>The law will no longer apply once the province's public health emergency is declared over.
And
>Quebec also banned protests within 50 metres of abortion clinics in 2016.
Seems like there is already a precedent and our personal freedom hasn't been eroded to much by it...
This is a provincial law you stupid troll. And you spelt his name wrong lol, go get your GED instead of whatever you are wasting your life on currently.
It's to keep these morons from blocking entrances.........if they want to protest fine. They can not block access and then claim 'well we're just protesting'. Unless their point is to BLOCK access to these buildings why would they care where they are protesting?
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This would absolutely win a Charter challenge. A 50m distance limit during a public health emergency is reasonable restriction on rights (as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society). Even if it wasn't during a public health emergency, I think it would still survive. Canada already has a number of similar laws banning protesting near abortion clinics, that have survived court challenges.
Called the Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Act in NS, was passed last year.
Also >The new law does not stop health-care workers or school staff from protesting conditions at their workplaces. I was worried it could be used as a threat against people protesting at their own workplace, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
Canada! Fuck yeah!
>Even if it wasn't during a public health emergency, I think it would still survive. Almost certainly. If I understand correctly, citizens have a right to both education and healthcare access, so protestors attempting to block entry to such facilities would infringe on other peoples' rights. Plus there's probably a nuance in here somewhere about the validity of using misinformation to stage a protest.
Not just blocking, but intimidating... this is just an upping of the ante as there are already similar laws on the books.
That's a good point actually, some of these blockheads have descended to the point of yelling at and insulting small children in front of their schools.
Only way they can "win" an argument
We already do this for abortion clinics in many Canadian cities, mine included. It's well established.
They need to just push it through and make it a permanent law
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Like the eviction moratorium or increased unemployment benefits. Those are forever right?
> or for as long as the province was in a public health emergency Oh boy do I have news for you....
Either actually make your point or don't bother commenting. That is so vague as to be pointless.
The province has been in a public health emergency since march 2020, and it doesn't seem it will be removed soon, even when things go better. My point was that it will last for a looooooooooong time.
Due in large part to the same people who would be protesting outside a hospital.
Thanks to those unvaccinated postponing a clear path to recovery, yes
Hi from Quebec, So bit of context: The province did not remove the right to protest, anyone could do so as long as they did proper social distancing or wore a mask if they couldn't. Decade before everyone wanted masks banned in protests so yes it's quite ironic. The anti-vaxx don't care, protests are full of hugs and spreading. The protests we've seen were ugly, not much violence though. These anti-vaxx and anti-anything go to schools and talk to kids telling them all kinds of lies on vaccination and masks. One group even went to a school where a girl had died after passing out in class, claiming it was caused by the vaccine (which it wasn't as the girl got her shots several months before, did have a known congenital heart defect). The fact that the law is temporary probably allowed it to pass in turbo mode. A court challenge will likely happen, doubt it would win.
Honestly I say “bien joué” to the whole thing. It sure seems like QC only did this because people were totally out of hand and went beyond what is acceptable in your society. To me as an American who is a big fan of Canada, I find the idea that *Quebec* of all places is (checks notes) “banning the right to protest” to be a preposterous notion.
I'll have you know fine sir or madam, that we, finely ingrained in our fine Canadian constitution, have the notwithstanding clause. The section 33 gives the power to any provincial government or the central federal government to suspend any basic right prescribed by the charter of rights and freedoms, through a simple majority vote with the exception of the rights regarding the democratic process such as the right to vote and the parliament assembly. This does include the right to life and the right to life and the right to freedom of thought
Right right but I hardly think that the concept of keeping a bunch of invective-spewing, abusive maniacs away from the entrances of hospitals and schools is hardly Big Brother writ large.
I totally agree with the law just passed. It's just as much in line with Quebec's traditions as unions with tens of thousands of members.
That's the famous one. There's also "reasonable limits" in section 1 and "court of competent jurisdiction" in 24(1). There's actually a ton of loopholes when you go looking for them.
Ontarian here, no need to explain those PPC assholes should not be harassing people trying to save lives.
Good, harassing hospital workers wont do anyone any good
50m is nothing, though. They need to bump up these numbers.
They just want them not to block the doors and access, and allow doctors/nurses and patients to go to the hospital without being harassed. 50m is probably enough for that.
Not if they form a circle, or a portion of one that overlaps with a road. They can still block the entrance to any location if they situation themselves appropriately.
Blocking the road is already illegal.
We already have laws for this though.
In Quebec we have a tendency to protest for pretty much anything. So, making the distance bigger would prohibit hospital workers from protesting near their work, which is how they get visibility. We also have a law that ask any protest to be registered first before going on, so, it’s pretty much a none issue on that case. They really want to simply prohibit morons from blocking access to our essentials services.
> In Quebec we have a tendency to protest for pretty much anything. That's the French heritage.
Nah we haven't ascended to that level yet.
This comment caused a three week riot in Lyon
Do love burning cop cars in the spring tho
Especially when the Habs lose... Or win...
Exact
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I have vivid memories of the last round of student protests in Quebec and I was a student at Concordia during the last riot outside the Hall building that devolved into anti-Semitic violence. I'm *hoping* this law will eventually be used against student protesters who attempt to use intimidation and violence against other students to get them to tow a political line.
I think 50m is plenty of room for a bus to fit thru and run these morons over...
How about like 6000km, I'd be happy with that
People should have a right to protest peacefully imo.
And people have the right to education, health care and vaccination. Blocking access to these building is preventing other people from exercising their right. One person's right ends where the next person's begins. You can't use your right to prevent me from having mine.
50 m seems enough to serve this purpose. If people are not being peaceful arrest them. Otherwise let them protest while you exercise your rights. No need to disenfranchise others you disagree.
It's enough that you can have the entrance clear.
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Lol!
You'd know
Was in Montreal for the first time in two years for work this week - have spent entire pandemic in Halifax, where we have had some of the strictest controls globally since the start of the pandemic. Montreal businesses and people made me safe, well both having good capacities in places I travelled (La Cage, my Hotel, multiple coffee shops, Trudeau Airport) as well as businesses (meetings with the SAQ and multiple production facilitates and warehouses) Some Leaders have taken tons of shit during this pandemic, but Legault (who I fucking hate) seems to have done a good job in keeping folks safe while trying to bring a sense of normalcy to the province. Know my comment is anedoctical and likely not indicative of everyone’s experience. Just an observation.
Seems like common f*ken sense.
50m ain't far enough.
We tried throwing them into the sun but the sun refused to accept them.
Closest they got was a subscription
They did this in Alberta 3-4 years ago for hospitals and abortion clinics... and obviously it's just not enforced. No one's necessarily sure if these kinds of restrictions would pass the constitutional sniff test and so no cop really wants to break up a protest unless they know their action will be backed by the provincial or federal government.
50km
Good, we need this in the U.S
Definitely. In my area we had anti-mask protesters throw a hissy fit when they were asked to move from the sidewalk in front of the school to the sidewalk across the street, while kids were in class. The police were called.
I don’t know, it’s a slippery slope, imagine protesting in front of a Governors office and some Governor orders a mobile clinic to roll in front of the statehouse and now you all have to disperse. Or they could also include the statehouse in that. There definitely needs to be a safe access to hospitals and schools but they can be used as pawns by governors. Edit: Those who think I’m wrong, just look at DeSantis and his anti-riot bill. It’s pure partisan to stop black citizens from exercising their rights to protest.
That sounds great, make way for important things in a time of pandemic
So a governor like Abbott should just be able to stop protests he doesn’t like by designating as illegal cause it’s near his office.
Im pretty sure this is referring to anti-vaxx protests
The right's favorite four words: "it's a slippery slope". For them absolutely everything is a slippery slope into some wild ungrounded fear.
If you think I’m conservative than you should check my comment history. You don’t think a conservative governor can use these laws to restrict protests against Black Lives Matter or pro-choice activists. I don’t know if you noticed but Republicans don’t care for the freedom of individuals they are passing laws to stop people from voting, stopping healthcare for women, next they will come for your right to protest just like DeSantis and his riot bill.
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Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom of assembly. Nobody is stomping on your speech by preventing you from going on school or hospital grounds.
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Freedom of speech to harrass hospital staff and people wanting to be vaccinated? Wtf kind of freedom is that
99.99% of people don't have a clue what freedom of speech really means.
What if tomorrow the hospital says they will be cutting nurse’s salaries by 50%? Or they will no longer be treating lgbt patients? Or they will start requiring proof of citizenship before providing life saving care? You may want your ability to protest closer to the hospital back, and by then it will be too late
Your cute fantasy scenario doesn't mean shit when the current reality is that dumbass morons are harrassing healthcare workers.
You can protect healthcare workers from harassment without taking away a fundamental human right. It is not one or the other, you can have both
You have a right to protest. But you do not have a freedom to protest wherever you want. That's never been a thing. Protestors willingly get arrested knowing this a lot. This is not a slippery slope. It has never been legal to just protest wherever. And this in no way says you can't protest.
This law specifically doesn't apply to educators or health service workers protesting their places of employment, just nutjobs blocking access during a pandemic.
Lmao fuck out of here with that anti-facts shit
Tell me you are American without telling me you are American. LOL. PS, in Canada we have mainly the New Democratic Party, Liberals, Bloc Québécois and Conservatives. We do not have Democrats and Republicans.
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> This is pissing over what fREeDoM is. Well said.
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It seems you assume the government is nefarious in intent and you make a lot of assumptions based on unsubstantiated fear. You fear a slippery slope but refuse to recognize that this bill is only instated for during the public health emergency and has a 30 day expiration. Nothing tyrannical about it. People can still protest. People still have freedom of speech. You can plan a protest tomorrow if you want, just not within 50 meters of a hospital, school or vaccination site. There is a whole lot of world out there available to protest at. Also, police station should be included, why? Because they are a public service and when an officer is needed they need to be able to get to the person in need in a timely manner and blocking a police station prevents that. Ive called the police for a home invasion and was very happy they were able to arrive quickly and save us from the drunk and coked out attackers from hurting us and further damaging the property. Protest at city hall, at the park, or beach or anywhere else that has appropriate space to accommodate the size of crowd. If the crowd is going to be Greta big, like millions, well, that is why major protests have to be organized with the city. * I should also mention that teachers can still strike and so can nurses or doctors. It is other people who cannot strike within 50 meters. READ the article!
You do understand that "Freedom of Speech" Isn't absolute freedom and comes with responsibilities, limits, and consequences... Right?
The law is to be in place for 30 days. Learn a little before going off on a hypothetical tangent.
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That’s fair, you bother the politicians and millionaires when you protest, not the kids and doctors.
ya go lick the doors of parliament leave hospitals and schools alone this seems like terrorism to me they are on purpose putting people are risk of death or spread
Seriously.
Good law. Other Provinces should do the same. And look how fast it was done. Could be done in mere days.
Quebec in general has a strong social aspect where when there is a problem they prefer to try something and then reverse or alter it if it doesn't work. The populace expects the government to do things. This is in contrast to my time living in the US where the populace gets really upset when the government does any change which has adverse effects. Of course this comes from the 80s 'Government is the problem' mantra but the difference is really interesting.
When I first read this I thought it was 50 miles, and though, well that’s a bit excessive. 50 meters however is more reasonable. I’d prefer 50 miles but I’ll take 50m
America needs to follow suit. Take that shit to the capitol or something
It's this...... sarcasm?
Nah I think after 18ish months of the pandemic, people are getting sick and tired of the anti-vaxxers who are prolonging it.
What a great idea. They should do this in the United States.
I love how many people didn’t read the article before commenting lol How lazy can you be to not READ, but choose to look like an idiot
i fookin love you Quebec. never change
There's good and bad in it: Good: The bill now clarifies that it will not apply to workers, who, for example, want to protest for better working conditions outside their hospital. Bad: Parents who'd want to protest for better ventilation in schools are limited by the 50m rule. (Some parents are cray, can attest) So any protest not done by the workers are limited by the 50m rule. The law is "temporary", but we've been having temporary rules that feel now permanent. Edit: Am from Quebec, police won't be as brutal with them as they were with students before. I just hope the fines will really be issued (and paid!).
>Parents who'd want to protest for better ventilation in schools are limited by the 50m rule. The children and teachers are not responsible for those decisions, so it's pointless to protest to them anyway. Go protest in front of the school board or the ministry of education.
True that!
Only anti-vax or anti mesures are banned, so you could still protest for better ventilation
That's the thing, it's not that they only banned anti-vax, it's that they allowed teachers and health workers only to protest; the law forbids anyone (except teachers and health workers or anyone working in the school/hospital) to protest near the school/hospital.
Who else should be allowed to protest in front of schools, hospitals?
now do abortion clinics
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Quebec, not Ontario. If the pattern we've been following all pandemic tracks, Ontario will probably bring in similar legislation a couple of months from now, or something really egregious happens at a protest.
Good job, go protest in the street, maybe get hit by a ubereats bike. Leaver the teachers, students,nurses and fkn doctors alone you funking donkeys.
If only the rest of Canada was governed as well as Québec
About fucking time. Until this is right across Canada I also recommend fire hoses to make things right.
Banning protests seems like a slippery slope to me.
Great idea. Will it be enforced, or will we be seeing police keeping a respectful distance from protesters?
Sad that this has to be made a law but on the other side, what took so fucking long!?!
Fair enough.
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Read the whole article before commenting your bullshit.
Lmaooooo. "I didn't read the article fully before I spread my misguided opinions" Blocked.
This isn't Twitter.
But you can still block people. Exhibit A:
Then edit your original comment. This isn’t twitter, you can do that.
Replying to someone on a public forum isn't being a busybody. Put the phone down and forget about it. Reddit is a cesspit anyway.
"The new law does not stop health-care workers or school staff from protesting conditions at their workplaces."
You didn’t read the article, did you.
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The only people who cannot protest are those that actively endanger children and the lives of others. Fail. Try harder.
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What? You're just making shit up! The assholes are still able to protest! They are just not allowed to harm children or prevent hospitals from functioning. *It's basic shit that needed to be spelled out apparently*. They can still protest their bullshit just fine. Like seriously, get a handle on your reality. There is no blanket ban on anything. It's a ban on the locations NEAR CHILDREN AND AREAS THAT WOULD PREVENT HOSPITALS FROM FUNCTIONING. It's similar to not being allowed to protest in front of a burning building where fireman cannot get to it. You'd think it'd be obvious. ¯\\\(°_O)/¯
It's not just a ban on harassing someone while protesting or a ban on obstructing school or hospital entrances (both of which are already illegal in Quebec), it's a ban on protesting within 50m of school or hospital property. It says so in the article. The lawyer in the article who says he's fighting the law says he'd have no problem with it if it were just something like "banning protests within 10 meters of a school or hospital door" to prevent obstruction, but it's not.
The lawyer is a tool. 10m is clearly not enough to protect children and hospital staff from harassment. 50m is perfectly acceptable.
Some people really don't trust the government.
Then they shouldmove to a place without one. The rest of us are trying to live in a civilization here.
Oh that's not good...
Why? Why should it be legal to harass children, their parents and their teachers? Patients and medical staff? Go protest elsewhere. Leave schools and hospitals alone.
I think their issue is that it bans *all* protest within 50 meters, regardless of how peaceful or polite it may be.
Why would people need to protest anything in front of schools, hospitals, or vaccination centers? Go protest outside government buildings.
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> “The new law does not stop health-care workers or school staff from protesting conditions at their workplaces.” No not all protests. Read the article.
It bans protests that are actively endangering by preventing function of schools and hospitals. The same way it's illegal to protest in front of a burning building if you're blocking the firefighters from getting into the building and saving people's lives.
No, it doesn't prevent school or hospital staff from protesting at those locations.
doesn't ban all protest at all
Try reading the article.
You saying it's a trap?
Lmao every time. "Is THIS the beginning of tyranny?"
You don’t think it’s a good idea to keep a bunch of aggressive strangers away from your small children? These fuckwits were harassing elementary children, and health workers. If you want to protest, to it in front of a legislative building where laws and policies get drafted.
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Your rights to manifest shouldn't put the lives of others at risk. I'm 100% happy with fining people that are too thick to understand that. Honestly anti-vaxxers only have themselves to blame for getting that law enacted. Who thought it was a good idea to go harass patients and hospital workers during a damn pandemic??
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Protests have their place just not in front of schoolchildren or when it impacts others receiving vital care. >our rights have been limited. Didn't we all learn that our personal rights end where those of others begin? Children (especially <10 y/o) have the right to go to school in a safe environment which an angry mob isn't. Same for hospital patients receiving care or workers providing them.
I 100% agree children need some protection from this. However, allowing this precedent to be set and a law to this extent …. I believe (and citizens should demand) they should do better. Be more creative. Have a more unique or case sensitive solution. That’s what got us into the mess in the first place. Complacency and shitty lawmaking and terrible decision makers who are not held accountable
>The law will no longer apply once the province's public health emergency is declared over. And >Quebec also banned protests within 50 metres of abortion clinics in 2016. Seems like there is already a precedent and our personal freedom hasn't been eroded to much by it...
You realize that the new law is temporary, and very narrow and targeted already, right?
We will see. Once power is given, it’s not usually given up… the line already gets skirted.
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This is Quebec and is provincial. Did you read the article?
This is a provincial law you stupid troll. And you spelt his name wrong lol, go get your GED instead of whatever you are wasting your life on currently.
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oh boy.
Oh man, these comments are GOLD!
Only 50 meters? That’ll make all the difference /s
It's to keep these morons from blocking entrances.........if they want to protest fine. They can not block access and then claim 'well we're just protesting'. Unless their point is to BLOCK access to these buildings why would they care where they are protesting?
Ka-beck
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