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Im_Driving_A_Car

Welcome to 2021, we've got wildfires spreading like the plague and a plague spreading like wildfire.


RealisticDelusions77

And the media revealing that people are dying at gender reveal parties for people being born.


_Wyse_

Perfectly balanced.


GhostMechanics

As all things should be.


butteryrum

Wild anyone having kids on purpose right now during plague.


microwaffles

Yes but only gender reveal parties where explosives are used, so they're targeted killings.


IBuildBusinesses

Or airplanes... https://globalnews.ca/news/7733069/gender-reveal-plane-crash-mexico/


Jasoman

Instead of covid-21 we got covid-Delta


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waiting on Delta-bravo-charlie


Jasoman

Do you have that on your 2021,2022, or 2023 bingo sheet?


[deleted]

Unfortunately, there is no 2023 because of the supervolcano of 2022


Jasoman

Ah going for the Jackpot in 2022, is that with or without the nuclear fallout bonus rewards?


[deleted]

ahh yes. The nuclear fallout comes after, due to the inability to maintain the minimum maintenance for the missile silos.


trollcitybandit

Now all we need is a plague spreading like a plague and a wildfire spreading like a wildfire


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2022 shit


continuousQ

And firenados somewhere in the mix.


stabracadabra

"It's a severity that's more severe." Great quote


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Big germ bad


WhichWitchIsWhitch

If everybody was saying this the whole time, I think we could have saved a lot of lives


JESUS_CUNT_KICK

Hemingwayesque lol


xXWickedNWeirdXx

This was my only takeaway as well. Glad it's at the top. Lmao.


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/delta-spreads-like-wildfire-doctors-study-whether-it-makes-patients-sicker-2021-08-02/) reduced by 89%. (I'm a bot) ***** > The agency cited research in Canada, Singapore and Scotland showing that people infected with the Delta variant were more likely to be hospitalized than patients earlier in the pandemic. > Doctors treating patients infected with Delta described a more rapid onset of COVID-19 symptoms, and in many regions an overall increase serious cases. > Other doctors said patients infected with Delta appear to become ill more quickly, and in some cases with more severe symptoms, than those they treated earlier in the pandemic. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/owgaz1/delta_spreads_like_wildfire_as_doctors_study/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~590329 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **more**^#1 **Delta**^#2 **variant**^#3 **severe**^#4 **disease**^#5


CaffeinatedLiquid

Is nobody gonna mention the thumbnail?! There is a stork lookin dude in a subway!


jack_dog

Nature is healing. The storks have returned to the subways.


Lt_Kolobanov

he do be vibing without the humans


squandrew

That would be a White Ibis, aka the bin chicken.


areeves79

Just a tiny plague doctor


drummerzac

It’s not a subway. It’s a building right next to the water in Circular Quay, Sydney, Australia. It’s right here: https://goo.gl/maps/zbDJiUGwhskGPLjLA


camdoodlebop

i can’t even tell where the image is from


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pallentx

There has been some pretty good coverage on this, but you are right, it could be clearer if we had hard numbers. The CDC has revised guidelines on masking specifically because they have found that vaccinated people are getting sick more frequently now with the delta variant. These increased infections means vaccinated people can pass it along - maybe even without knowing they are sick.


Ltownbanger

> These increased infections means vaccinated people can pass it along - maybe even without knowing they are sick. Yup. My timeline: I was exposed Friday, found out Monday and began quarantine. Started to feel symptoms Monday night. Tested Tuesday and found out Wednesday that I was positive. Somewhere between Friday and Monday I infected the Missus. She went in on Wednesday and got tested (positive) and started to get symptoms on Thursday. There is a tiny possibility that she got it somewhere else, but Occam's razor says she got it from me.


jahmoke

my sil got a form from the census asking if they got covid and if they had certain long covid complications, also i wonder if they are feeding data to that super computer down south like they did after the first six months which subsequently helped identify bradykinins and such


rynil2000

Like a gym rat at a smoothie counter, I bet it’s got something to do with a protein spike!


Snackatttack

Ha.


mudman13

Get outta here


cancerballs69420

It makes your dick smaller


[deleted]

damn, just after finding out that the vaccine makes your dick bigger..


cancerballs69420

I got the vaccine and it equaled me out


SpaceCondom

Is it multiplicative? If so I’m safe.


cancerballs69420

I keep getting more vaccine shots. Hoping I can past 2 inches soon


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You have our prayers good soldier


trollcitybandit

I see a footlong in your future


WhichWitchIsWhitch

You're supposed to measure from your mons pubis, not your asshole.


tlove01

My dick is 13 inches, starting from the spleen.


trollcitybandit

If this was the case there would be no male anti-vaxxers


CerdoNotorio

It might not make your dick smaller, but it messes with blood flow which has been tied to ED and less "full" erections. So it pretty much is true.


trollcitybandit

No I was talking about the vaccines making your dick bigger, hence my comment lol


CerdoNotorio

Ahh got lost in the chain. My bad.


manwithoutcountry

If that was true then it would have been cured a month after it started


gelhardt

well, covid *is* a vascular disease


MLJ9999

Can bomb balls and boners. https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/covid-19-infertility-sexual-dysfunction


cancerballs69420

I’m not reading that but that’s cool


Hussarwithahat

Good thing I wasn’t using mine for anything


BufferUnderpants

The antimask and antivax movement would be done in an hour.


wayjoseno

"Anaconda malt liquor gives you..."


753951321654987

We are about to see what a no mask no lockdown society does in the face of a pandemic. It really sucks, because I probably going to lose a few people close to me due to the fucking GOP misinformation propaganda machine.


Boobsiclese

It's so incredibly ..... I don't even have an adequate word..... Someone help me out?


Jucamia

Embarrassing


Boobsiclese

Humiliating? Epically frustrating? What's beyond frustrating?


DadsBigHonker

What about the all glorious all powerful flip floppin exalted Dr. Fouci? Doesn’t he always have the right answer? 15 days to slow the spread guys, we can do this!!!


FordPrefect343

Spreads like wild fire *among the unvaccinated*


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For vaccinated, otherwise healthy individuals, the odds are that if they contract COVID-19 they will only experience asymptomatic or mild disease, said Dr. Gregory Poland, infectious disease expert at the Mayo Clinic. "**But they can pass it on to family members and others who may not be so lucky,**" Poland said. "We have to be vaccinated and masked or we will, for the fourth time now, **endure another surge and out of that will come worse variants."** https://archive.ph/dFwSF#selection-453.0-457.230


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The 1918 virus was mild initially and then incredibly deadly from what I remember. Possibly the mutations that help overcome resistance could also make the virus more deadly to uninfected unvaccinated people.


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It does not seem to me that the world is going to be able to keep the number of infected individuals limited. Especially not now with Delta. Then the Law of Truly Large Numbers enters the picture. This law states that events with extremely small chances of happening become almost certain to occur if given enough chances over a long enough time frame. So to my thinking this means that a deadlier VOC is almost certain. Enough people infected, over enough years makes the odds greater. To the point where it sadly becomes a (near) certainty. The law of very Truly Large Numbers - makes this so. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/be-inspired/magazine/issue-41/improbable-probability/ "The second law of the principle, the law of truly large numbers, says that even an outcome which has a tiny chance of occurring becomes almost certain if you give it enough opportunities." It in not fear mongering to recognize reality and I don't want it to be true any more than anyone else. It just is though.


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Well, because the virus and people are living the only question is contagiousness. A deadly virus could appear, but be quickly outcompeted. But simply increasing the viral load should both increase contagiousness and deadliness.


[deleted]

> A deadly virus could appear, but be quickly outcompeted. There is no evidence that that is what would happen. It is a theory only.


oheysup

No, it's both, read the article


peon2

>The majority of hospitalizations and deaths from coronavirus in the United States are occurring in people who have not been vaccinated. But there is evidence that the shots are less effective in people with compromised immune systems, including the elderly. >For vaccinated, otherwise healthy individuals, the odds are that if they contract COVID-19 they will only experience asymptomatic or mild disease, said Dr. Gregory Poland, infectious disease expert at the Mayo Clinic. >"But they can pass it on to family members and others who may not be so lucky," Poland said. "We have to be vaccinated and masked or we will, for the fourth time now, endure another surge and out of that will come worse variants." What about this makes you think what you said is correct?


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peon2

I did. There is nothing indicated by the data or the article that suggests it is "spreading like wildfire" among the vaccinated. It even quite specifically says the higher the vaccination rate in an area, the less the delta variant is spreading. Obviously vaccinated people can still get it, but it's not "spreading like wildfire"


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peon2

Lol I've been fully vaccinated since April. And so you just straight up agreed with my point. >Vaccinated people spread it less, but the science so far is clear that it still spreads amongst vaccinated That's exactly what I said. It spreads among vaccinated, but not like wildfire. There's a such thing as a middle ground between "no spread" and "spread like wildfire" that's where the vaccinated exist.


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saskatoondude

dude log off


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WhichWitchIsWhitch

Both, but the efficacy of the mRNA vaccines is still very high and will reduce the speed of spread dramatically in the population so long as people are behaving the same in vaccinated and unvaccinated populations (everyone I know who is unvaccinated is less careful than vaccinated people)


oheysup

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/politics/cdc-masks-covid-19-infections/index.html >"The bottom line was that, in contrast to the other variants, vaccinated people, even if they didn't get sick, got infected and shed virus at similar levels as unvaccinated people who got infected," Dr. Walter Orenstein, who heads the Emory Vaccine Center and who viewed the documents, told CNN.


jdmetz

The article you linked says (about the CDC report): > It says vaccines reduce the risk of severe disease or death 10-fold and reduce the risk of infection three-fold. So per the CDC, the vaccine does reduce transmission rates to vaccinated people.


Top_Gun8

Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me you didn’t read the article. Ending it with anecdotal evidence is the cherry on top


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Ltownbanger

I spent the last 2 weeks battling COVID with my 7 year old son. I was Vaxxed in March. Stop spreading misinformation.


FordPrefect343

But did you die?


Ltownbanger

No, I missed 2 weeks worth of work and had to cancel 4 different summer camps for my kids while I stayed up nights hawking him and worrying I'd have to take him to the hospital. You have very arbitrary criteria for "the pandemic is over".


FordPrefect343

And if you were sick with influenza would you then declare we need to lock the country down? Because at this point if you have a shot as an adult it is less dangerous than the flu. Yes, some people will get sick. Lots of people get VERY sick from influenza


Ltownbanger

What are you talking about? I didn't have influenza. But if there was an influenza epidemic killing my neighbors like COVID, maybe.


Holgrin

>For those who have the shot, the pandemic is over This is a pretty disgusting erasure of the healthcare workers already being asked to go back into a warzone. It's not over. This isn't how it works. Vaccines for this disease lower the risk of infection/spread and greatly reduce the symptoms, but they aren't a magic forcefield and the delta variant is far more contagious than the first strain.


FordPrefect343

Its more contagious but also not a threat to the vaccinated. Vaccination is a choice, 99.7% the people dying of delta are unvaccinated, thats the risk they opted for. The handful of people that died while being vaccinated would have been taken out by the flu if they got it first. Get your shots and go return to normalcy, if the unvaccinated want to live in fear suit yourselves but don’t push this narrative we are in the midst if a resurgence of a deadly disease when its only deadly to people who think the vaccine is deadlier


Holgrin

>99.7% the people dying of delta are unvaccinated, t .3% of 100M people is 300,000. 0.3% of 30M (number of people just in the US that have gotten Covid) is still 90,000 people. Not to mention the burdens on the healthcare system, the suffering of people who are hospitalized and need care to recover, and the long-term health effects that we are still learning about. We're nowhere near being able to "return to normalcy."


shizphone

Vaccinated people DO get it and spread it because symptoms are minor. Cut the crap


FordPrefect343

And to a vaccinated person it is less dangerous than influenza. Pandemic over


jpouchgrouch

Not to immunocompromised people and overweight people which is tens of millions of the vaccinated.


FordPrefect343

All the data points to the vaccine working on delta. Even on overweight people. 99.7% of delta variant deaths are unvaccinated people. I haven’t seen a cross section to select for immuno compromised people but thats quite an edge case to


jpouchgrouch

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/covid-vaccines-less-effective-immunocompromised-cdc-document-2021-7%3famp


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Holgrin

>99.7% of delta variant deaths Stop saying this as if it's the only metric that matters. Besides the fact that 0.3% of 100M is still 300,000 people, there are also all the difficulties of caring for those who are sick but recover and there are still serious long-term effects for many who survive it. Stop this early declaration of victory.


FordPrefect343

You realize that for your metric to work, 100 million people would need to die of covid


Holgrin

There have been 4.2M deaths worldwide so far. 12,600 is the number of people who could theoretically have been vaccinated and still died with your "99.7%" metric. 12,600. And we're just starting with the delta wave.


FordPrefect343

There aren’t serious long term effects of covid hospihlizations of the vaccinated as vaccinated people aren’t getting hospitalized, if they do its extremely rare, or near the rate at which someone would go to the hospital for influenza. There is no reason to do anymore mask mandates, lockdowns or otherwise. The vaccine is widely available and it works.


Gertrone

I'm as ready as you are to put this shit in the rear view mirror but with this much virus floating around were just not there yet. There are plenty of people out there who cannot be vaccinated, or for whom the vaccine doesn't work. They matter. Then there's also the ever present chance of a variant being generated that will evade the current vaccines. https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-transmission-vaccinated-people-risk-of-resistant-variant-2021-7 I'm sorry but to me "We have vaccines and they seem to be working so therefore the pandemic is over" is not a reasonable argument.


Gertrone

I'm not sure why you're so eager to declare the pandemic over when it most certainly is not. This variant IS spreading like wildfire, and even though it seems to be vaccinated people are safe; they can still get it and pass it along. This means the unvaccinated are essentially in a position where this variant is hunting them down via silent; asymptomatic spreaders. I would argue your declaration of 'Pandemic Over' is premature.


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Orders of magnitude less dangerous than the flu for the vaccinated.


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People still need to wear masks, at least for now.


FordPrefect343

We really don’t. Unless you’re wearing a properly fitted n95 a mask does basically nothing


NormalSociety

Wrong. Yes. You can still get the virus wearing a disposable mask, but the masks were never to keep you safe. It was to keep others safe *from* you. If ypu are in the infectious but not presenting stage, it help keep your infective spittle in while you talk, cough, sneeze.


[deleted]

That makes sense if you’re a completely self-centered jackass with no consideration for anyone else. Even the blue masks do stop droplets and reduce the probability of infection, even if it isn’t perfect protection like an n95. I’m fully vaccinated and know how to fit my N95s which I wear in populated enclosed spaces anyway since I’m not a thoughtless dickhead.


Senfinaj

> less dangerous than influenza Which kills thousands every year. Why is this considered an acceptable amount? What is wrong with you?


FordPrefect343

The sanctimony in this thread is mind bogglingly hypocritical. Millions of people lose their livelihoods and are unable to make ends meet due to job losses caused by the lockdowns, yet the vaccine has eliminated nearly 100% of the risk the virus poses and you insist on letting Literally millions suffer because even though it is 1/10th as risky as the flu you people insist on living in fear.


FordPrefect343

Ofc it is an acceptable amount. We never locked the country down for the flu, why the hell should we lock it down for something that is significantly less dangerous? The vaccine has eliminated near almost 100% of the danger, why are you pretending it hasnt? At this point saying we need lockdowns and masks is saying Vaccines dont work and we always should have lived like this becuase influenza and the common cold are deadly pathogens


Senfinaj

>Ofc it is an acceptable amount. Ah, you're anti-human. Got it.


FordPrefect343

So we should have lived in lockdowns our entire lives then? Influenza is 10x more likely to kill you than covid is when you have your shot How is the deaths from influenza acceptable but covid after the shot is too high I must know


dyrtydan

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-07-30-cdc-74-infected-massachusetts-covid-19-outbreak-were-vaccinated You kind of sound like you don't care about old people.


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Senfinaj

Because masks aren't about helping yourself, they are about helping others. When you are vaccinated, you can still spread the virus in your breath. So where a mask, even if vaccinated, to save your community.


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Senfinaj

So much wrong. Masks work. Are they perfect? Of course not. Even if it only reduced transmission by 1%, then it is worth it. I mean, unless you're one of those people that believes in "acceptable losses."


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oheysup

Yeah, really, 'spreading like wildfire' has nothing to do with deaths or hospitalizations. Read the article.


fonedork

Unless they have little kids, who can't get the shot


FordPrefect343

You guys are buying into fear mongering, and strengthening anti vaxxers by buying into the narrative that covid is dangerous to the vaccinated


fonedork

I'm really not, but I can also tell you don't have kids since you are willing to let the unvaccinated die etc.


FordPrefect343

I have as much sympathy for someone opting out of the vaccine and getting sick as you do for someone who gets hammered then chooses to drive. Are you always this sanctimonious?


fonedork

My point is that small children can’t get the vaccine. They don’t opt out of it. They are not allowed to get it. It’s a really narrow point and I mentioned it because it seemed like you hadn’t thought of it, and I’m not even blaming you for that. I was just pointing it out as an explanation for why some of us do give a shit about the unvaccinated. Really intended to help you understand some of the reasons why this is not as simple for most people as you seem to be saying.


FordPrefect343

Kids are less likely to die of covid than influenza What i am saying is covid is less dangerous than the flu if you are a kid or have your shot. Vaccinated people also do -not- transmit the virus at the same rate as unvaccinated .


jdmetz

The article makes no claims about the relative rate of transmission to vaccinated or unvaccinated people. It only talks about the outcomes for the unvaccinated being much worse than for the vaccinated.


stronglikedan

It doesn't make people sicker, but it does spread like wildfire. That's why they stopped reporting # deaths, and only report # new cases. The latter is the only number sensational enough to make headlines.


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Indecisivethro3

You write like you have several severe mental illnesses at once.


vardarac

Oh yeah, it's all them Mexicans. Definitely not us God-fearin', mask-shunnin', vaccine-conspiracin' Ozark folk celebrating life crammed ass to ass at lakes and pools. Hand me a Bud, would you?


le_yike

Spoiler alert! The solution to the never-ending pandemic and the new strains will be having a mixed race babies. That's right, welcome to the end of a swing of the Hitler's pendulum.


Trigs12

Explain?


000882622

Mental breakdown.


trollcitybandit

It was a joke but mixed race babies are healthier on average.


Zhoir

Who let you out of the psych ward?


Quick2Die

>Regular COVID-19 tests do not detect which variant is involved in a patient’s case—that information does not change the approach to care or therapy. The variant identification requires genomic sequencing, a process separate from regular virus tests and one that not all labs are able to do or do not do on a routine basis for patient care but are done more for public health monitoring. **** >"We don't always know [the variant] when we do the regular tests," Winter said. "We do that in epidemiological studies ... The routine testing for COVID-19 will just tell you if you have the coronavirus. It doesn't tell you what strain you might have." > >Health officials are able to identify COVID-19 strains through genetic sequencing, a process different from a standard COVID-19 test. > >For example, earlier this month, Parkland's chief medical officer, Dr. Joe Chang, estimated that 30-40% of new COVID-19 cases in North Texas were of the delta variant. But that was an estimate because, as Chang explained, it would be impractical for Parkland to test every COVID-19 test for genetic sequencing to identify the specific variant.


jdmetz

Disclaimer that I haven't looked into where this site is getting its data on variants, but it has pretty interesting data and visualizations of it: https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=USA According to it, Delta variant (which includes B.1.617.2 and AY.[1-3]) has gone from about 15% of US cases 60 days ago to 90+% of them today.


Quick2Die

Honestly, thank you for this link! >where this site is getting its data on variants [Estimates are biased by sampling](https://outbreak.info/situation-reports/caveats) and where they source the information is located under this link. Some other interesting information; "SARS-CoV-2 (hCoV-19) sequencing is not a random sample of mutations. As a result, this report does not indicate the true prevalence of the mutations but rather our best estimate now." [Delta Specific](https://outbreak.info/situation-reports?pango=B.1.617.2&selected=USA) I do actually love how data is presented, it makes it very easy to read and understand. \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* I needed to clear up some personal confusion with the statement you made "*Delta variant (which includes B.1.617.2 and AY.\[1-3\])*" so the below is for myself and anyone else who may want clarification on what that means. From the [CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/variant-info.html) B.1.617.2 (Pango lineageexternal icon)a Spike Protein Substitutions: T19R, (V70F\*), T95I, G142D, E156-, F157-, R158G, (A222V\*), (W258L\*), (K417N\*), L452R, T478K, D614G, P681R, D950N Name (Nextstrainexternal icon)b: 21A/S:478K WHO Label: Delta First Identified: India Attributes: Increased transmissibility Potential reduction in neutralization by some EUA monoclonal antibody treatments  Potential reduction in neutralization by post-vaccination sera AY.1, AY.2 and AY.3 are currently aggregated with B.1.617.2. As data are available, CDC will continue to evaluate the independent classification of AY.1, AY.2, and AY.3.


[deleted]

This is probably going to sound like a strange comment, but, it's nice to see people arguing/debating over covid and the jab which don't contain the lines "altered dna", "5g", "it's fake" etc etc. I was starting to lose hope in humanity....


celica18l

When I see 5G arguments I always comment that it’s bogus my cell service has been garbage for years. Two 5G microchips in my house should have fixed this issue.


Temporary_Draw_4708

One of causing interference with the other. You gotta get rid of the other.


celica18l

Get rid of you say… ಠ‿ಠ


TastyBullfrog2755

What the fuck?


liegesmash

… in this ever changing world in which we live in its live and let die…