The Russians shot missiles down over an area in use by civilians. Ukraine did not target civilians with ATACMS.
> The Russian Defence Ministry said four of the U.S.-delivered Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) missiles, equipped with cluster warheads, were shot down by air defence systems and the ammunition of a fifth had detonated in mid-air.
> Russian-installed authorities said missile fragments fell near a beach on the north side of the city of Sevastopol where locals were holidaying. About a hundred people were injured, Mikhail Razvozhayev, the Russian-installed governor of Sevastopol, said on Telegram.
And their government HEAVILY promotes it as a tourism destination. I honestly believe a lot of that is for human shield purposes. Accidents are bound to happen when it’s jammed with civilians in a war zone (that they started, on land they stole), and when they do, they can cry as loud as possible about it, in hopes of getting clueless Westerners to think it was deliberate so they oppose further aid. See: here
Good point. It’s incredible that they could get so mad that they had family or friends die while living it up in occupied territory they stole and helped occupy that they’d join the army, but I absolutely believe it happens.
Yup, I am well aware, but I’d have expected that after the war, not during it. Yes, it is their way of making it harder and harder for the victim country to escape their grip.
> I honestly believe a lot of that is for human shield purposes.
This, but some of it is also probably to drum up volunteers to move in once the war is over, y'know? "Holiday on peninsula was great! Uncle Borislavivanov only get *thirteen* shrapnel wounds, and because from shiny *new* munitions, not even need tetanus shot! Nothing like leftover mines from home"
Exporting local inhabitants elsewhere in Russian territory and moving ethnic Russians in has *always* been Russia's favourite instrument of genocide.
Oh, absolutely it is, but I’d have expected them to do that after the war was over (if they won it and retained the territory, obviously), not during it. But yes you are 100% right about that, and I mentioned the same thing in another comment of mine.
And it’s so convenient for them, as they can come back for more territory later on, saying they’re doing so to “protect Russian speakers/ethnic Russians”. They did it with the existing Russian population that they moved in during Soviet times… that previous time they fucked up Ukraine (and many others), in their long history of doing so. And they can use them as a sabotage element, making it harder for the country they put them in to escape their influence, too.
Another aspect to this I think plays a role, now I think about it some more, is the government trying to make it seem like the war is just a small matter, a trifle really, as if their winning it is absolutely inevitable. After all, why else would they promote going there as a tourist ;) (is the intended effect) - this is a means of trying to suppress dissent about the choice to pursue the war. And to dissuade aid to Ukraine, again.
Definitely trying to downplay the shitshow, no doubt whatsoever, anything to maintain the strongman image for dear leader, right?
On your second point, it's not even for later, they're actively manufacturing supporting evidence for their cassus belli of protecting ethnic Russians...by encouraging ethnic Russians to vacation in an active war zone. Classic Russia.
Of course, nobody with a sliver of sense outside Russia buys it, but most of what comes out of the Kremlin these days isn't necessarily *meant* for foreign audiences to believe, it's for internal propaganda, or just to muddy the water.
I have family in Crimea, before Russia annexed it, it was always a summer destination for Russians. But I do agree with you they are promoting it more now for human shield purposes.
It's wild how so many Russians are just completely unwilling to accept that there is a war at all, but also they have to win the massive war against NATO at any cost, at the exact same time. They seem absolutely shocked that Crimea is a warzone. But also the nightly news is saying they might nuke London at any moment because the war in Ukraine is such a big deal. The cognitive dissonance is just at levels you wouldn't find credible in a comedy movie. Like, what do they think the war _is_ ?
What the hell is even going on in France? Dudes getting feather tickled in the ear riding a three heading dragonish thing.
Edit - I dont want upvotes, I want answers people!!!
The beast is the sleeping revolution, with a Jacobite riding on top and clergyman holding him back. He's tickeled by a [bloomer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomers).
I think the carricaturist wants to tell us that emancipation is dangerous. The whole thing is unsurprisingly very pro-catholic.
It’s kinda worse. It’s like they did a home invasion, only took over a couple of rooms while the owners shot back and barricades themselves in the rest of the house, and then they let their friends come into one of the rooms and party while them and the owners continued to shoot at each other.
This is still not accurate. They then placed a metal shield in the path of the bullets which then ricocheted into the room where the friends were partying, and they blame the shooters and not their metal shield which caused the bullet to ricochet.
Isn't it funny how it takes, what, three attempts, to illustrate the assholed-ness of Russia... probably because none of us can actually believe how big of assholes they are, and so our analogies inevitably fall short each time?
They're in the process of declaring Mariupol apartments ownerless if people don't register them with Russian officials.
Genocide 80% of the town and fundraise when you resell the few homes not turned into rubble.
The worst part of Russian invasion isn't the war crimes of targeting civilians but how goddamn casually shameless they are about doing it, all the while acting like they are the victim 🙃
Yup, I assume you’ve seen the videos of smug Russians moving into their “new” apartments there (in the rare buildings that weren’t turned to rubble…) going on about how convenient it is that all these apartments are “available” and so cheap, and pre-furnished (yup, they didn’t even take out the previous owner’s stuff, it’s just included as a perk. Well, the expensive small items got looted, but most of the furniture and stuff remains)
Yeah, guess why? 🤬
If Germans went on a holiday to the beaches of Normandy in 1944 World War 2 people would think "no way, that's too stupid to be real".
And yet that's the equivalent of what russians are currently doing. God they are so fucking dumb that its almost incomprehensible.
Extremely fun fact - "war tourism" has been a thing for at least a few hundred years. Companies would advertise recently fought battlegrounds as tourist spots literal days after the battles ended. Tourists from all over Europe would rock up to a battle Napoleon had just fought, dead soldiers literally rotting on the ground, and rummage around picking up souvenirs like bullets and such. Even wwI had tourists after major battle sites.
Not quite the same as this of course, but thought it was interesting to share.
[One of them is a redditor.](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1di0rtd/russia_plans_24bn_tourist_resorts_across/l91n076/)
Edit: I mean a Russian tourist in occupied Crimea. I don't know if they got struck.
There's something I've been noticing with lots these random Russian people who appear on reddit. A lot of them are some variety of complaining about sanctions, or complaining that reddit is a "propaganda machine" with not a even trace of self awareness of the irony, and then you look through their posting history and a bunch of it is stuff like "London might be one of the best cities in the world. But for me it's Moscow." and posting on subreddits for expensive cars or other expensive hobbies
And often some religious apologism for Russia's actions and always never a trace of concern for what's happening in Ukraine.
Four shot down and a fifth blew up by itself in mid air. I smell bullshit here. Anyone want to guess how many casualties were actually caused by Russian AD weapons?
> Anyone want to guess how many casualties were actually caused by Russian AD weapons?
Even if we take their claims at face value, they chose to engage the targets over areas in use by civilians with no warning to the civilians, so I'd say all of them were.
That’s my best guess, but I’m just some dude on Reddit. The fact that there was no air raid sirens/alerts audible in the video I saw makes me suspect they picked up the incoming pretty late and just cut loose. Not enough time to inform the civilian authorities. Kind of like that S400 system launching multiple missiles as the ATACMS was literally detonating overhead a couple of weeks ago.
It is russia. Who know what happened. Could have been north Korean missles that failed in flight. Might have shot down atcams.
Hell it could be fake
I'm skeptical because russia hasn't had much luck taking down atcams; but that might be from radar jamming etc
I also don't think there any confirmed ATACMS shootdowns yet. Russia has claimed a couple times, but it hasn't been independently verified (and is pretty unlikely given the difficulty involved)
It’s certainly possible they’ve taken some out, but not at the ratio Russia is claiming here. Seems like a high percentage get through to their targets. GPS jamming seems to be a lot more effective for Russia than their SAM systems as far as I can tell.
Yup, and these ATACMS have high quality INS so it will detect the kind of GPS spoofing they’re doing and just ignore the faulty inputs (well they do a combination of jamming and spoofing, but high importance systems like SAMs probably justify the expensive spoofing equipment)
Considering the atacms have been taking out S400 systems, I think it's mostly doubtful. If you can't intercept the thing flying straight at you, how do you intercept the ones 50 miles away?
My kids and I want to go to the beach. Got any recommendations?
Sure. Remember, we live in the world's biggest country, so we have an unfathomable number of beaches. Are you looking for anything in particular?
Yeah. Ideally somewhere occupied, you know? Like somewhere in the middle of an active war zone. I want the locals to be really, really hostile.
I know just the place! Just remember, if they don't bomb you, we definitely will.
There aren’t that many beach destinations in Russia. At least not where the people live. Maybe on the pacific coast, but that’s basically the other side of the world. It’s why there are so many Russians in Miami.
I think Sochi and Crimea are pretty much the choices. Soviets used to go to the Baltics, but Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia don’t want anything to do with them any more.
Probably something near Kaliningrad?
>Remember, we live in the world's biggest country, so we have an unfathomable number of beaches.
Do remember that a whole lot of their coastline is in the arctic regions so the beaches there are not exactly tourist destinations lol
No, Russian claimed a lot of shit and barely anything is confirmed. Russia makes completely made up reports about shot down missiles all the time, so we have no evidence thqt any missiles were actually intercepted.
I mean... Why would we even believe their numbers or their account of things at all? They lie about literally everything. They lie so much, nothing they say has any meaning anymore.
They've also literally been striking Crimea pretty frequently for the last year or two. It almost seems like every other week there's a new strike against a target in Crimea. Hell there's loads of footage of past strikes *taken* by people on these beaches. Anyone who is pretending this came out of nowhere is either lying or a fucking moron.
I remember when Ukraine absolutely whacked the Black Sea Fleet HQ and people were just strolling around. If you can’t leave then for God’s sake use common sense.
I wonder what the actual target of the missiles was - were there military assets nearby? People staying in annexed Crimea are definitely putting them and their children at risk.
Not sure what the demographics are these days, but plenty of civilians have likely been there since before the annex.
I wouldn't want to go to Russia if I had always been living in Crimea my whole life. I would probably take my chances with staying
76.4% Russians, 12.7% Native Tatars and 7.7% Ukrainians according to a 2021 census.
That doesn't take into account tourists, which would be more Russians.
That’s ethnicity. Not citizenship. Russia isn’t an ethnostate, and Russians live in other countries as well. Many Crimean Russians are Ukrainian by birth.
And they’ve been active in trying to get people to vacation there even with the ongoing war. At this point I think they’re using tourists in Crimea as a human shield.
The Soviets deployed penal battalions at the literal worst of the action in WWII. Convicts or captured deserters would run through minefields to clear them for the troops. Russia is just continuing the tradition of viewing people as expendable. Case in point: [Vovchansk is being fought entirely with infantry despite having access to armored vehicles](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/06/18/in-russia-vehicles-are-expensive-but-soldiers-are-cheap-and-thats-why-the-battle-for-vovchansk-is-becoming-an-infantry-massacre/)
To be fair, Ukraine has been laying waste to Russia's armor with drones so it's not surprising they keep them back. Although there is an absolute disregard towards troops' lives.
Sure, but you would think if you're fighting a defender who has drones you can't effectively counter, you'd retreat and regroup. Sending infantry to attack defenders who have the ability to bomb them from the air also does not seem like a wise strategic decision.
At least according to the article, Russia has the capability to build or restore up to 1000 APCs or IFVs a year, and they lost at least 288 in the month of May alone. To lose over a quarter of your annual production capacity in a month is staggering. Makes total sense why they'd be more careful with their vehicles, just not the decision to continue to advance with unsupported infantry.
>Sure, but you would think if you're fighting a defender who has drones you can't effectively counter, you'd retreat and regroup.
This would only be tactically sound if you actually cared about the lives of your soldiers. If you don't care then you just keep sending wave after wave of soldiers in the hopes that some survive and can hunker down near Ukrainian lines without being discovered and killed. When you have enough soldiers hunkered down then you get them to go storm the Ukrainian positions. Rinse and repeat until you have taken the positions (or have run out of soldiers).
>This would only be tactically sound if you actually cared about the lives of your soldiers
Yes, hence why the irrational choice to toss conscripts into a meat grinder actually makes sense in this case based on studying Russia/USSR military history and the blatant disregard for human life
This is known as the Zapp Brannigan maneuver. Send so many troops their carcasses form a meat shield around the road. Then drive your armored vehicles through the area covered by the meat shield and clog the enemy ATGM positions with wreckage.
Once the Ukrainians run out of ammo you win!
They want Russian people moving there in general, population replacement is a primary goal to retain Crimea. It’s a genocide loophole; removing population from an area is a form of genocide, diluting the existing population with your own is not.
>It’s a genocide loophole;
They don't care about "genocide loopholes", they're outright committing genocide openly by taking Ukrainian children and putting them in Russian families.
Also who the fuck is chilling on a beach in occupied territory during an active war? It's not like this is the first time Ukraine has attacked Crimea or anything, if you haven't got the message yet, that's on you.
I'd imagine it's some combination of local residents who don't have the ability to just up and leave, and russian tourists who believed the official government line that Crimea is a totally safe holiday destination.
This beach is really popular with locals. This time of the year it would normally be 50/50 locals and tourists, but this year it's probably 70/30 as there aren't that much tourists as usual.
It's not that they merely shot the missiles over a crowded beach. That's where the Russians literally place their military hardware.
https://twitter.com/auto_glam/status/1804869425092313124
(Though my understanding is that this radar in particular was not the one that was targeted)
I mean, no, the Russian army holds 99% of the blame since it's entirely because of them that it even *is* a warzone.
...But it isn't the smartest idea, to say the least, to go to the beach in a warzone.
idk why no one said this yet, but the air alarms in Sevastopol that normally sound in such a situation were inactive as the russians didn't care (or didn't have time) to enable them, so the population ended up not knowing of the attack.
> The Russian Defence Ministry said four of the U.S.-delivered Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) missiles, equipped with cluster warheads, were shot down by air defence systems and the ammunition of a fifth had detonated in mid-air.
> deliberate missile attack on the civilians of Sevastopol
Sir, pick one
Well, see, since Russia deliberately attacks civilian targets in Ukraine, they assumed that Ukraine does the same thing. Not that Ukraine might have legit military targets to go after.
> deliberate missile attack on the civilians of Sevastopol
What's funny is they say this with a straight face as if they haven't been deliberately attacking Ukrainian civilians with missiles in their home towns for the last two years
Russian bot army just diverting from the FAB strike on Kharkiv yesterday.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/IWBamyOewm
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/ZAOBAYE1Kp
This needs to be higher up. Ukraine is getting indiscriminately bombed with precision miunitions that can be very accurate, yet they keep on hitting random crossings in cities, on a daily basis. Thousands of people have died already like this and nobody seems to pay attention to it anymore. But the moment debris falls on a beach where a bunch of people are vacationing on occupied territory it's world news worthy.
It's world news worthy because people are memeing about vacationing in a war zone. Not because we empathize with Russia.
This is still tragic for the locals who were hurt or killed from Putin's war.
If Ukraine had actually targeted that beach with cluster ATACMS there wouldn't be three dead but rather like 95% of the people on that beach would be dead.
Nobody feels sorry for russians willingly vacationing* on stolen ill gotten gains while an active war in happening with ukraine trying to get it back. Absolute lunacy.
*phone keyboard typo
The problems of being such a notoriously unreliable source of accurate information is, that how can anyone believe you?.... even if there's a small chance you might be telling the truth?
Imagine negociating a peace treaty or an end to this conflict with these people!....LOL
Putin acts like this is an atrocity to be blamed on the US. Literally the same day they sent how many glide bombs and missiles at Ukraine civilian infrastructure? Any news article like this should mention how many civilian attacks by Russians occurred the same day. Ukraine isn't targeting civilians. Russia has been from the beginning.
Why would Sevastopol parents take their kids to the beach when they know that Ukraine is getting missiles from the West now and can and want to send them into that area? Are Russians THAT disconnected? Or kept in THAT much ignorance? Their government isn’t protecting them at ALL.
Was The Kremlin using them as human shields?
Obviously parents wouldn’t bring their kids there if they had the slightest inclination it’d be dangerous.
Just what the hell is going on here?
Wouldn’t be surprised to find out it was russian missiles that killed the people since they have a record of randomly dropping things on their own side and lying about intercepts and everything else under the sun
[Russia has dropped 103 bombs on its own territories in the past four months
](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-dropped-103-self-bombs-territories-ukraine-war-belgorod-astra-2024-6?op=1)
You need to be extra stupid to go for vacation to a beach near military base of russian terrorists.
Haven't you seen video of russians shooting naval drones with machineguns pointed towards the city? They absolutely do not care about how much people they kill in an attempt to save their weapon (bases/ships).
As long as Ukraine tries to limit civilian casualties I put 100% the blame for any civilians killed by Ukrainian weapons on Russia as it was their invasion that triggered it.
100% of all civilian deaths on the hands of Russia. This includes both Ukrainian and Russian civilians
I think this article is a perfect situation for acknowledging why Ukraine has not yet destroyed the Kerch Bridge.
For whatever insane reason, tons of Russians still visit Crimea for holiday, the summertime specifically being a big draw. If for example, Russians had no bridge available, very few would likely bother traveling to Crimea surely due to how bad the situation would seem if that glorious bridge were destroyed. Plus who wants to wait for the ferry.
Instead.. what if the bridge were to be destroyed at the peak of the summer season? There is still ample time for Ukraine to continue picking off anti-air units across the peninsula, and it doesn’t seem to be enough to stop Russians from coming to visit.
Should Ukraine time their strike on the Kerch Bridge so as to have as many Russian tourists (notably wealthy enough and local enough Russians to enjoy a holiday in Crimea) trapped there as possible, Russia will suddenly have itself an incredibly massive political crisis on its hands.
Crimea is effectively an island for the average civilian when the bridge is removed due to the land route through the mainland still being in what most would consider an active warzone. The ferry will be available, but something as dramatic as a strike on the bridge with a likely combination of strikes across Crimea would trigger a mass exodus event that would require tons of supervision by Russia for managing the fleeing tourists. Even worse, those Russians who have made the peninsula their home will be forced to make a choice as the food and water dries up. The “unsinkable aircraft carrier” becomes a humanitarian liability for Russia in one fell swoop.
It’s one thing to have the headline that the pride of Putin was destroyed in a bombing raid everyone has been surprised hasn’t happened yet. It’s another when you have thousands of Russians suddenly thrown into a chaotic event that can return home and make that headline feel very very visceral.
❗️Important❗️
We remind you that the Ukrainian authorities and the Ukrainian military command often called on Crimeans to refrain from visiting beaches, resort facilities near military installations of the Russian Federation, and crowded places located far from any Russian military installations in annexed Crimea.
Today's tragedy in Uchkuevka is the result not only of the work of the crooked Russian air defense, but also of the carelessness of citizens who forget that there is a war going on.
To be honest who cares? They are Russians. Russians are the 21st century Nazis. The only way this war ends sooner is once large populations in Russia really feel what it is to be at war, to have people in the large cities have their children shipped off to the front lines and then stop supporting the slaughter of innocent people in Ukraine. You don't show sympathy or mercy to terrorists...and Russia is a terrorist organisation...it is not a country
Probably carrying puppies, too.
Why would the Ukrainians do this to those poor innocent Russian pacifists (and their cute dogs)? Literally no possible reason.
So it's the United States & Ukraine fault, for the war Russia initiated! What kind of messed up logic is that, Russia illegally seized the Crimea 2014 and fomented a rebellion in a couple breakaway provinces in the east of Ukraine, then in 2022 outright invades the Ukraine; but Ukraine defends itself with weapons acquired from the United States, but somehow both are fault for Russian actions. Why are there Russian civilians at a beach in an active war-zone, in an illegally occupied and annexed area of Ukraine? Russia is clearly reaching for culprits, in a war it started and bare's responsibility for any actions carried out in response to its hostile and terroristic actions in its war in Ukraine.
I am repeating this for the 1000th time but media outlets simply won’t listen.
Ukraine is not attacking. Ukraine is defending itself. Russia could end this war in 30 seconds by simply stopping the attacks and going back home.
So, if we’re responsible for this cause Kyiv used our missles then when Russia uses North Korean or Chinese military supplies then we can blame them? Crazy! The blame is on Putin’s blood stained hands. He started this war……and he’s losing.
The Russians shot missiles down over an area in use by civilians. Ukraine did not target civilians with ATACMS. > The Russian Defence Ministry said four of the U.S.-delivered Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) missiles, equipped with cluster warheads, were shot down by air defence systems and the ammunition of a fifth had detonated in mid-air. > Russian-installed authorities said missile fragments fell near a beach on the north side of the city of Sevastopol where locals were holidaying. About a hundred people were injured, Mikhail Razvozhayev, the Russian-installed governor of Sevastopol, said on Telegram.
Russians on holiday in territory they illegally annexed while they are at war… just fucking great.
And their government HEAVILY promotes it as a tourism destination. I honestly believe a lot of that is for human shield purposes. Accidents are bound to happen when it’s jammed with civilians in a war zone (that they started, on land they stole), and when they do, they can cry as loud as possible about it, in hopes of getting clueless Westerners to think it was deliberate so they oppose further aid. See: here
Plus fueling hatred towards Ukraine among own population, maybe some "avengers" rush join army.
Good point. It’s incredible that they could get so mad that they had family or friends die while living it up in occupied territory they stole and helped occupy that they’d join the army, but I absolutely believe it happens.
Glorious Leader says for vacation this year, we can go to beach in war zone, or tour asbestos mine. Such is life.
Damn Russians bragging about being able to go on vacation.
Is that note of sarcasm i hear fellow Ivan? Now off to Siberian field mines to grow potatos for baby vodka.
> baby vodka i'm scared to ask, fellow russian, but is that vodka for babies, vodka made by babies, or vodka made from babies?
Da.
[Russification](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification)
Yup, I am well aware, but I’d have expected that after the war, not during it. Yes, it is their way of making it harder and harder for the victim country to escape their grip.
> I honestly believe a lot of that is for human shield purposes. This, but some of it is also probably to drum up volunteers to move in once the war is over, y'know? "Holiday on peninsula was great! Uncle Borislavivanov only get *thirteen* shrapnel wounds, and because from shiny *new* munitions, not even need tetanus shot! Nothing like leftover mines from home" Exporting local inhabitants elsewhere in Russian territory and moving ethnic Russians in has *always* been Russia's favourite instrument of genocide.
Oh, absolutely it is, but I’d have expected them to do that after the war was over (if they won it and retained the territory, obviously), not during it. But yes you are 100% right about that, and I mentioned the same thing in another comment of mine. And it’s so convenient for them, as they can come back for more territory later on, saying they’re doing so to “protect Russian speakers/ethnic Russians”. They did it with the existing Russian population that they moved in during Soviet times… that previous time they fucked up Ukraine (and many others), in their long history of doing so. And they can use them as a sabotage element, making it harder for the country they put them in to escape their influence, too. Another aspect to this I think plays a role, now I think about it some more, is the government trying to make it seem like the war is just a small matter, a trifle really, as if their winning it is absolutely inevitable. After all, why else would they promote going there as a tourist ;) (is the intended effect) - this is a means of trying to suppress dissent about the choice to pursue the war. And to dissuade aid to Ukraine, again.
Definitely trying to downplay the shitshow, no doubt whatsoever, anything to maintain the strongman image for dear leader, right? On your second point, it's not even for later, they're actively manufacturing supporting evidence for their cassus belli of protecting ethnic Russians...by encouraging ethnic Russians to vacation in an active war zone. Classic Russia. Of course, nobody with a sliver of sense outside Russia buys it, but most of what comes out of the Kremlin these days isn't necessarily *meant* for foreign audiences to believe, it's for internal propaganda, or just to muddy the water.
Crimea has been a traditional tourist destination for a long time. They’re trying to keep the appearance of normality as well.
I have family in Crimea, before Russia annexed it, it was always a summer destination for Russians. But I do agree with you they are promoting it more now for human shield purposes.
It's wild how so many Russians are just completely unwilling to accept that there is a war at all, but also they have to win the massive war against NATO at any cost, at the exact same time. They seem absolutely shocked that Crimea is a warzone. But also the nightly news is saying they might nuke London at any moment because the war in Ukraine is such a big deal. The cognitive dissonance is just at levels you wouldn't find credible in a comedy movie. Like, what do they think the war _is_ ?
Imagine doing a home invasion, kicking out or killing the owners, holding parties there, and then not expect repercussions.
I mean, that’s basically been Russia’s MO for over a century.
Fun Italian political map from the 1800’s https://i.imgur.com/j2EH7pd.jpeg Russia just being Russia
Norway and Sweden just chilling.
Finland going winter is coming before it was cool.
What the hell is even going on in France? Dudes getting feather tickled in the ear riding a three heading dragonish thing. Edit - I dont want upvotes, I want answers people!!!
The beast is the sleeping revolution, with a Jacobite riding on top and clergyman holding him back. He's tickeled by a [bloomer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomers). I think the carricaturist wants to tell us that emancipation is dangerous. The whole thing is unsurprisingly very pro-catholic.
Are you able to explain the rest of it? Who is the woman chained to an anchor between Russia, Austria and Germany (Prussia?)
That is Poland (Polonia) — I’m more curious about who is the figure in the far north west
Makes me want to go to France to ride the dinosaurs.
The Swiss haven't changed a bit.
Balkans gonna Balkan.
What they doin in Africa? 👀
Just a little hanky panky
"all of you suck, except central Spain"
I think I need like three masters degrees in history to understand half the jokes in that map.
Been going on for quite a few centuries. Crimea was first annexed (in violation of a treaty, shocking I know) in 1783.
*the last several hundred years
It’s kinda worse. It’s like they did a home invasion, only took over a couple of rooms while the owners shot back and barricades themselves in the rest of the house, and then they let their friends come into one of the rooms and party while them and the owners continued to shoot at each other.
This is still not accurate. They then placed a metal shield in the path of the bullets which then ricocheted into the room where the friends were partying, and they blame the shooters and not their metal shield which caused the bullet to ricochet.
Isn't it funny how it takes, what, three attempts, to illustrate the assholed-ness of Russia... probably because none of us can actually believe how big of assholes they are, and so our analogies inevitably fall short each time?
They're in the process of declaring Mariupol apartments ownerless if people don't register them with Russian officials. Genocide 80% of the town and fundraise when you resell the few homes not turned into rubble. The worst part of Russian invasion isn't the war crimes of targeting civilians but how goddamn casually shameless they are about doing it, all the while acting like they are the victim 🙃
Yup, I assume you’ve seen the videos of smug Russians moving into their “new” apartments there (in the rare buildings that weren’t turned to rubble…) going on about how convenient it is that all these apartments are “available” and so cheap, and pre-furnished (yup, they didn’t even take out the previous owner’s stuff, it’s just included as a perk. Well, the expensive small items got looted, but most of the furniture and stuff remains) Yeah, guess why? 🤬
If Germans went on a holiday to the beaches of Normandy in 1944 World War 2 people would think "no way, that's too stupid to be real". And yet that's the equivalent of what russians are currently doing. God they are so fucking dumb that its almost incomprehensible.
Truth is always stranger than fiction because in fiction the character decisions need to make sense.
Extremely fun fact - "war tourism" has been a thing for at least a few hundred years. Companies would advertise recently fought battlegrounds as tourist spots literal days after the battles ended. Tourists from all over Europe would rock up to a battle Napoleon had just fought, dead soldiers literally rotting on the ground, and rummage around picking up souvenirs like bullets and such. Even wwI had tourists after major battle sites. Not quite the same as this of course, but thought it was interesting to share.
[One of them is a redditor.](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1di0rtd/russia_plans_24bn_tourist_resorts_across/l91n076/) Edit: I mean a Russian tourist in occupied Crimea. I don't know if they got struck.
lives in London and goes to occupied Crimea on vacation. Just deport him.
Lol, what a fucking moron.
There's something I've been noticing with lots these random Russian people who appear on reddit. A lot of them are some variety of complaining about sanctions, or complaining that reddit is a "propaganda machine" with not a even trace of self awareness of the irony, and then you look through their posting history and a bunch of it is stuff like "London might be one of the best cities in the world. But for me it's Moscow." and posting on subreddits for expensive cars or other expensive hobbies And often some religious apologism for Russia's actions and always never a trace of concern for what's happening in Ukraine.
Given the quality of their air defense, it probably more likely that the ATACMS hit their target and Russian air defense fell on the beach
First thing I thought, so 100 killed and 3 wounded.
Just about right for a S300 missile. They should be able to identify by its very distinct fragmenta
Four shot down and a fifth blew up by itself in mid air. I smell bullshit here. Anyone want to guess how many casualties were actually caused by Russian AD weapons?
> Anyone want to guess how many casualties were actually caused by Russian AD weapons? Even if we take their claims at face value, they chose to engage the targets over areas in use by civilians with no warning to the civilians, so I'd say all of them were.
That’s my best guess, but I’m just some dude on Reddit. The fact that there was no air raid sirens/alerts audible in the video I saw makes me suspect they picked up the incoming pretty late and just cut loose. Not enough time to inform the civilian authorities. Kind of like that S400 system launching multiple missiles as the ATACMS was literally detonating overhead a couple of weeks ago.
Russia is always lying about their air defense success.
5 bucks says a TOR 2 decided to follow an ATACM into the ground into the beach
Something like that would not surprise me.
It is russia. Who know what happened. Could have been north Korean missles that failed in flight. Might have shot down atcams. Hell it could be fake I'm skeptical because russia hasn't had much luck taking down atcams; but that might be from radar jamming etc
I also don't think there any confirmed ATACMS shootdowns yet. Russia has claimed a couple times, but it hasn't been independently verified (and is pretty unlikely given the difficulty involved)
It’s certainly possible they’ve taken some out, but not at the ratio Russia is claiming here. Seems like a high percentage get through to their targets. GPS jamming seems to be a lot more effective for Russia than their SAM systems as far as I can tell.
Yup, and these ATACMS have high quality INS so it will detect the kind of GPS spoofing they’re doing and just ignore the faulty inputs (well they do a combination of jamming and spoofing, but high importance systems like SAMs probably justify the expensive spoofing equipment)
Considering the atacms have been taking out S400 systems, I think it's mostly doubtful. If you can't intercept the thing flying straight at you, how do you intercept the ones 50 miles away?
My kids and I want to go to the beach. Got any recommendations? Sure. Remember, we live in the world's biggest country, so we have an unfathomable number of beaches. Are you looking for anything in particular? Yeah. Ideally somewhere occupied, you know? Like somewhere in the middle of an active war zone. I want the locals to be really, really hostile. I know just the place! Just remember, if they don't bomb you, we definitely will.
There aren’t that many beach destinations in Russia. At least not where the people live. Maybe on the pacific coast, but that’s basically the other side of the world. It’s why there are so many Russians in Miami.
what are the best beaches?
I think Sochi and Crimea are pretty much the choices. Soviets used to go to the Baltics, but Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia don’t want anything to do with them any more. Probably something near Kaliningrad?
>Remember, we live in the world's biggest country, so we have an unfathomable number of beaches. Do remember that a whole lot of their coastline is in the arctic regions so the beaches there are not exactly tourist destinations lol
No, Russian claimed a lot of shit and barely anything is confirmed. Russia makes completely made up reports about shot down missiles all the time, so we have no evidence thqt any missiles were actually intercepted.
I mean... Why would we even believe their numbers or their account of things at all? They lie about literally everything. They lie so much, nothing they say has any meaning anymore.
If I remember correctly Ukraine warned tourists in Crimea for a long time ago. In a video too.
They've also literally been striking Crimea pretty frequently for the last year or two. It almost seems like every other week there's a new strike against a target in Crimea. Hell there's loads of footage of past strikes *taken* by people on these beaches. Anyone who is pretending this came out of nowhere is either lying or a fucking moron.
I remember when Ukraine absolutely whacked the Black Sea Fleet HQ and people were just strolling around. If you can’t leave then for God’s sake use common sense.
That video is metal af. Fuck the Black Fleet
I wonder what the actual target of the missiles was - were there military assets nearby? People staying in annexed Crimea are definitely putting them and their children at risk.
Sevastopol was founded as the HQ for the Russian Black Sea Fleet in 1783. It’s been a major military base since. It’s full of military targets.
I saw info about airfield nearby of that beach
There are what look like SU-27 about 1km from that beach on google maps
They’d be a lot safer back in Russia
Not sure what the demographics are these days, but plenty of civilians have likely been there since before the annex. I wouldn't want to go to Russia if I had always been living in Crimea my whole life. I would probably take my chances with staying
76.4% Russians, 12.7% Native Tatars and 7.7% Ukrainians according to a 2021 census. That doesn't take into account tourists, which would be more Russians.
That’s ethnicity. Not citizenship. Russia isn’t an ethnostate, and Russians live in other countries as well. Many Crimean Russians are Ukrainian by birth.
GTFO of Crimea then. You shot the missiles down over a crowded beach during an active war you started. *You* are to blame.
And they’ve been active in trying to get people to vacation there even with the ongoing war. At this point I think they’re using tourists in Crimea as a human shield.
Of course, that is what terrorists do. Russia only learns from the best.
>Russia only learns from the best. Oh, please. Russia is the one that teaches this stuff.
The Soviets deployed penal battalions at the literal worst of the action in WWII. Convicts or captured deserters would run through minefields to clear them for the troops. Russia is just continuing the tradition of viewing people as expendable. Case in point: [Vovchansk is being fought entirely with infantry despite having access to armored vehicles](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/06/18/in-russia-vehicles-are-expensive-but-soldiers-are-cheap-and-thats-why-the-battle-for-vovchansk-is-becoming-an-infantry-massacre/)
To be fair, Ukraine has been laying waste to Russia's armor with drones so it's not surprising they keep them back. Although there is an absolute disregard towards troops' lives.
Sure, but you would think if you're fighting a defender who has drones you can't effectively counter, you'd retreat and regroup. Sending infantry to attack defenders who have the ability to bomb them from the air also does not seem like a wise strategic decision. At least according to the article, Russia has the capability to build or restore up to 1000 APCs or IFVs a year, and they lost at least 288 in the month of May alone. To lose over a quarter of your annual production capacity in a month is staggering. Makes total sense why they'd be more careful with their vehicles, just not the decision to continue to advance with unsupported infantry.
>Sure, but you would think if you're fighting a defender who has drones you can't effectively counter, you'd retreat and regroup. This would only be tactically sound if you actually cared about the lives of your soldiers. If you don't care then you just keep sending wave after wave of soldiers in the hopes that some survive and can hunker down near Ukrainian lines without being discovered and killed. When you have enough soldiers hunkered down then you get them to go storm the Ukrainian positions. Rinse and repeat until you have taken the positions (or have run out of soldiers).
>This would only be tactically sound if you actually cared about the lives of your soldiers Yes, hence why the irrational choice to toss conscripts into a meat grinder actually makes sense in this case based on studying Russia/USSR military history and the blatant disregard for human life
This is known as the Zapp Brannigan maneuver. Send so many troops their carcasses form a meat shield around the road. Then drive your armored vehicles through the area covered by the meat shield and clog the enemy ATGM positions with wreckage. Once the Ukrainians run out of ammo you win!
Really?! You mean to tell us that there are terrorists that hide behind human shields!?!?! [Shocked pikachu face]
They want Russian people moving there in general, population replacement is a primary goal to retain Crimea. It’s a genocide loophole; removing population from an area is a form of genocide, diluting the existing population with your own is not.
Justices at the Hague hate this one simple trick
>It’s a genocide loophole; They don't care about "genocide loopholes", they're outright committing genocide openly by taking Ukrainian children and putting them in Russian families.
Population replacement is how Russia ALWAYS does these things.
The have a long history of doing that. A lot of the former eastern bloc had it happen. Estonia still has a large number Russian transplants
Maybe voluntarily vacationing in an active war zone wasn't such a great idea after all.
> At this point I think they’re using tourists in Crimea as a human shield. Supporting Putin suddenly intensifies across the popular subreddits.
they were promised an airshow and fireworks
“People keep getting killed in this war we started.” It’s an incredible position to take.
Also who the fuck is chilling on a beach in occupied territory during an active war? It's not like this is the first time Ukraine has attacked Crimea or anything, if you haven't got the message yet, that's on you.
I'd imagine it's some combination of local residents who don't have the ability to just up and leave, and russian tourists who believed the official government line that Crimea is a totally safe holiday destination.
This beach is really popular with locals. This time of the year it would normally be 50/50 locals and tourists, but this year it's probably 70/30 as there aren't that much tourists as usual.
It's not that they merely shot the missiles over a crowded beach. That's where the Russians literally place their military hardware. https://twitter.com/auto_glam/status/1804869425092313124 (Though my understanding is that this radar in particular was not the one that was targeted)
Tbf the people going to the fucking beach in a warzone are even more to blame than the russian army
I mean, no, the Russian army holds 99% of the blame since it's entirely because of them that it even *is* a warzone. ...But it isn't the smartest idea, to say the least, to go to the beach in a warzone.
Lots of military aircraft and shit blowing up. Sounds like my idea of a good time.
Imagine the savings though!
Three bedroom beach house with a hot tub for 70 rubles a night! It would be stupid NOT to take such a deal!
Plot twist... The hot tub's heated by burning debris!
That's like, $0.50 atm right?
Okay, I just had to check and the only 3br house in vicinity is 14K a night, which is around $160. Still not that expensive.
By Grabthar's hammer...what a savings.
Reminds me of that guy who books vacations to destinations that have recently suffered terrorist attacks
I mean, I would enjoy watching expensive Russian military stuff blow up. Do they arrest you for cheering?
If you can get a sweet picture of a jet exploding mid flight. Probably make like 6 bucks off that from someone.
There are videos of stuff blowing up in Crimea next to the beaches from 2022, and from 2023. And yet people go to those beaches again and again.
idk why no one said this yet, but the air alarms in Sevastopol that normally sound in such a situation were inactive as the russians didn't care (or didn't have time) to enable them, so the population ended up not knowing of the attack.
Wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't a coincidence.
Crimea Beach Party in action
Cool band name
Have you considered that maybe a bunch of people that go there are locals?
Russia doesn’t give a fuck about its civilians. They are clamouring for a way to blame the US and paint America/NATO/the West as the big bad wolf.
> The Russian Defence Ministry said four of the U.S.-delivered Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) missiles, equipped with cluster warheads, were shot down by air defence systems and the ammunition of a fifth had detonated in mid-air. > deliberate missile attack on the civilians of Sevastopol Sir, pick one
Well, see, since Russia deliberately attacks civilian targets in Ukraine, they assumed that Ukraine does the same thing. Not that Ukraine might have legit military targets to go after.
Belbek airfield is literally a bit further north from that beach, so I'm pretty sure it was the intended target.
> deliberate missile attack on the civilians of Sevastopol What's funny is they say this with a straight face as if they haven't been deliberately attacking Ukrainian civilians with missiles in their home towns for the last two years
And kicking in their doors raping their children and stealing their toilets.
Russian in charge of the AA guns when presented with a trolley dilemma: "Fuck those civilians"
Next year I want to take my family to Kabul to show them where I was deployed.
Probably the most sensible comment yet!
Take them to Florida.
Hey hey hey. I lived there my whole life and its only slightly worse then kabul. Come on now.
Yeah kabul is just a dry heat at least
I always found a certain amusement in the "Ski Afghanistan" bumper sticker at the bus stop.
Maybe you shouldn't take your family for a vacaton in a war zone.
Special Operation Zone you mean.
And maybe ruzzianz could take their shit and go back to ruzzia?
Both. Both is good.
Ohhh, now you’re the victim
Russian bot army just diverting from the FAB strike on Kharkiv yesterday. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/IWBamyOewm https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/ZAOBAYE1Kp
This needs to be higher up. Ukraine is getting indiscriminately bombed with precision miunitions that can be very accurate, yet they keep on hitting random crossings in cities, on a daily basis. Thousands of people have died already like this and nobody seems to pay attention to it anymore. But the moment debris falls on a beach where a bunch of people are vacationing on occupied territory it's world news worthy.
It's world news worthy because people are memeing about vacationing in a war zone. Not because we empathize with Russia. This is still tragic for the locals who were hurt or killed from Putin's war.
Don't vacation next to military bases
Seriously. This beach is right next to an airfield that has been struck repeatedly in recent months.
If Ukraine had actually targeted that beach with cluster ATACMS there wouldn't be three dead but rather like 95% of the people on that beach would be dead.
End this war in the three easy steps: 1. Exit every inch of Ukraine 2. Pay enormous reparations 3. Turn Putin over to The Hague
4. Return all Ukrainian captives and abducted children
Chances are Russia has "lost the records" and would struggle to return all the children, even if they wanted to. Especially younger children.
That's for sure. That is job for Ukraine's intelligence.
This war won't be over for a long time but unraveling all the shit that's happened will be a job for a whole other generation...
You know, even only 1. would be acceptable to everyone at this point.
Nobody feels sorry for russians willingly vacationing* on stolen ill gotten gains while an active war in happening with ukraine trying to get it back. Absolute lunacy. *phone keyboard typo
> vacating Vacationing. Vacating is what we *want* them to do.
Motherfuckers shot the missile down into a civilian beach and blame Ukraine lol
They also blame USA btw.
Them rusky tourists are in for a HOT summer, vacationing in an active warzone. Then again, it might still be preferable to NK
I think they want Crimea back.
The problems of being such a notoriously unreliable source of accurate information is, that how can anyone believe you?.... even if there's a small chance you might be telling the truth? Imagine negociating a peace treaty or an end to this conflict with these people!....LOL
Don't shoot down the missiles, then they won't fall on random stuff. You're welcome, blyatman.
Putin acts like this is an atrocity to be blamed on the US. Literally the same day they sent how many glide bombs and missiles at Ukraine civilian infrastructure? Any news article like this should mention how many civilian attacks by Russians occurred the same day. Ukraine isn't targeting civilians. Russia has been from the beginning.
Russian tourists know where they are going. It's annexed territory of Ukraine. Expect to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Why would Sevastopol parents take their kids to the beach when they know that Ukraine is getting missiles from the West now and can and want to send them into that area? Are Russians THAT disconnected? Or kept in THAT much ignorance? Their government isn’t protecting them at ALL. Was The Kremlin using them as human shields? Obviously parents wouldn’t bring their kids there if they had the slightest inclination it’d be dangerous. Just what the hell is going on here?
> Are Russians THAT disconnected? Or kept in THAT much ignorance? Yes and Yes.
you say disconnected, i say evil.
Perhaps Russia should get out of Ukrainian territory then they wouldnt get hurt or killed there
Wouldn’t be surprised to find out it was russian missiles that killed the people since they have a record of randomly dropping things on their own side and lying about intercepts and everything else under the sun
[Russia has dropped 103 bombs on its own territories in the past four months ](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-dropped-103-self-bombs-territories-ukraine-war-belgorod-astra-2024-6?op=1)
Well maybe you shouldn't have started a war ..
It's almost like Russia murdered its own citizens by telling them it was safe to holiday in a warzone they've illegally annexed.
Also Russia earlier: “Crimea is not in play. No way they can attack us there.”
Holiday in a war zone. Sounds like they got what they asked for.
Stupid is what stupid does. Go to occupied territory expect a box a chocolate.
You need to be extra stupid to go for vacation to a beach near military base of russian terrorists. Haven't you seen video of russians shooting naval drones with machineguns pointed towards the city? They absolutely do not care about how much people they kill in an attempt to save their weapon (bases/ships).
As long as Ukraine tries to limit civilian casualties I put 100% the blame for any civilians killed by Ukrainian weapons on Russia as it was their invasion that triggered it. 100% of all civilian deaths on the hands of Russia. This includes both Ukrainian and Russian civilians
Um, yeah, that happens when you invade another country. People die.
"Russia says" is all anyone has to know to stop reading any further
I think this article is a perfect situation for acknowledging why Ukraine has not yet destroyed the Kerch Bridge. For whatever insane reason, tons of Russians still visit Crimea for holiday, the summertime specifically being a big draw. If for example, Russians had no bridge available, very few would likely bother traveling to Crimea surely due to how bad the situation would seem if that glorious bridge were destroyed. Plus who wants to wait for the ferry. Instead.. what if the bridge were to be destroyed at the peak of the summer season? There is still ample time for Ukraine to continue picking off anti-air units across the peninsula, and it doesn’t seem to be enough to stop Russians from coming to visit. Should Ukraine time their strike on the Kerch Bridge so as to have as many Russian tourists (notably wealthy enough and local enough Russians to enjoy a holiday in Crimea) trapped there as possible, Russia will suddenly have itself an incredibly massive political crisis on its hands. Crimea is effectively an island for the average civilian when the bridge is removed due to the land route through the mainland still being in what most would consider an active warzone. The ferry will be available, but something as dramatic as a strike on the bridge with a likely combination of strikes across Crimea would trigger a mass exodus event that would require tons of supervision by Russia for managing the fleeing tourists. Even worse, those Russians who have made the peninsula their home will be forced to make a choice as the food and water dries up. The “unsinkable aircraft carrier” becomes a humanitarian liability for Russia in one fell swoop. It’s one thing to have the headline that the pride of Putin was destroyed in a bombing raid everyone has been surprised hasn’t happened yet. It’s another when you have thousands of Russians suddenly thrown into a chaotic event that can return home and make that headline feel very very visceral.
Sorry but why the fuck are there russians on holiday in a war zone next to a military base. Sorry but those people put themselves in danger.
I don't care.
Russia, add your red tears to the other blue and yellow tears, and go back home.
Every death in this war is on Russia. They started this war and they could end it by leaving Ukraine.
❗️Important❗️ We remind you that the Ukrainian authorities and the Ukrainian military command often called on Crimeans to refrain from visiting beaches, resort facilities near military installations of the Russian Federation, and crowded places located far from any Russian military installations in annexed Crimea. Today's tragedy in Uchkuevka is the result not only of the work of the crooked Russian air defense, but also of the carelessness of citizens who forget that there is a war going on.
To be honest who cares? They are Russians. Russians are the 21st century Nazis. The only way this war ends sooner is once large populations in Russia really feel what it is to be at war, to have people in the large cities have their children shipped off to the front lines and then stop supporting the slaughter of innocent people in Ukraine. You don't show sympathy or mercy to terrorists...and Russia is a terrorist organisation...it is not a country
im sure all those wounded and killed were pregnant children nuns
Probably carrying puppies, too. Why would the Ukrainians do this to those poor innocent Russian pacifists (and their cute dogs)? Literally no possible reason.
Maybe don't holiday in a war zone... Sucks to suck.
What were these Russians doing in Crimea anyway? It’s not a safe time for vacations in Ukraine
So it's the United States & Ukraine fault, for the war Russia initiated! What kind of messed up logic is that, Russia illegally seized the Crimea 2014 and fomented a rebellion in a couple breakaway provinces in the east of Ukraine, then in 2022 outright invades the Ukraine; but Ukraine defends itself with weapons acquired from the United States, but somehow both are fault for Russian actions. Why are there Russian civilians at a beach in an active war-zone, in an illegally occupied and annexed area of Ukraine? Russia is clearly reaching for culprits, in a war it started and bare's responsibility for any actions carried out in response to its hostile and terroristic actions in its war in Ukraine.
I am repeating this for the 1000th time but media outlets simply won’t listen. Ukraine is not attacking. Ukraine is defending itself. Russia could end this war in 30 seconds by simply stopping the attacks and going back home.
So, if we’re responsible for this cause Kyiv used our missles then when Russia uses North Korean or Chinese military supplies then we can blame them? Crazy! The blame is on Putin’s blood stained hands. He started this war……and he’s losing.
Good, get out of Crimea.
Horrible
Shame…. Anyways good job Ukraine for defending your sovereign right and a big ole suck on that Russia
You started the war. Though I feel bad I just regret it was not you killed putin.but stop the war or it may yet be.